May 15, 2025 • 45 mins
Do you believe in ghosts? đź‘» In this episode of Andi & Mich, the sisters dive deep into all things spooky, woo-woo, and unexplainable. From childhood hauntings and intuitive dreams to eerie coincidences and signs from the universe, this episode blends hilarious storytelling, heartfelt reflection, and cultural perspectives on the paranormal.
Whether you’re a full-blown believer, a loving skeptic, or just here for the ghost stories (and giggles), you’ll find something to relate to. We talk energy, ancestral wisdom, haunted houses, spirit dolls, and that time a ghost might’ve whispered through the baby monitor. It gets weird—but in the best way.
So grab your cafecito, light a candle, and get cozy. Let’s get into signs, spirits, and the mystery that makes life magical.
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Welcome back to Andy and Mitch.
Two sisters, two generations,and today a whole lot of spooky
woo woo.
And.
Wait, what just happened?
Yes.
We are diving into the weird,the unexplainable, and the
definitely maybe paranormalghosts, signs, intuition.
Call it what you want.
We've all had those moments thatmade us pause and ask, was that
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real?
So whether you're a full blownbeliever or a loving skeptic,
grab your cafecito light acandle, spray some sage, and
let's dive in.
Today, we're gonna dive intosome fun woo woo, spooky topics.
We're gonna talk all aboutghosts, paranormal, the
unexplained signs from theuniverse.
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As most of us probably areaware, this idea of believing in
the supernatural and theunexplained, has been in
existence since forever.
You can watch on the Historychannel.
And we can't help but to, bepulled in by the possibility
that there is something elsehappening.
Yeah.
So where do you think thesebeliefs come from?
That's a great question.
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I mean, human beings have alwaysbeen naturally curious about
what happens after we die.
Spirits and ghosts are deeplyrooted in culture and religion,
right?
And ancient Egypt, they believedin Ka spirit and Ba personality,
which could live on after death.
You look into Christianity, theybelieve in an afterlife judgment
and possibility of spiritsinteracting with the living as
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contributed to Western Ghostfolklore.
And then you look at indigenouscultures and many indigenous
cultures worldwide from NativeAmerican traditions to African
beliefs have long held thatspirits remain among the living
to provide guidance, protection,and wisdom.
So culturally speaking, there'sa wealth of knowledge and
experience that's passed on tous, and I think a lot of times
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in modern society, it's kind ofshunned or looked down upon.
Yeah, it's it is veryfascinating to reflect on the
history and how long it'sactually been around.
And how it's part of mythologyand it's part of storytelling
and passing down generationalbeliefs.
I mean, even in our own culture,in Latino culture, right.
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We celebrate dia de los mertos,which is all about ghosts,
roaming the earth.
We grew up with family membersthat openly talked about spirits
and ghosts and life beyond,believing in something bigger.
so lemme ask you this do youbelieve in ghosts?
yeah, I do.
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And that wraps this podcastepisode.
I do.
I believe in ghost.
I believe in energy.
I believe in spirits.
Listen, okay, I think if we lookback in history and things have
been talked about forgenerations, upon generations,
upon generations, upongenerations, I think there's
enough generations.
There has to be some kind oftruth to the element of the
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storytelling, right?
And whether you wanna believe itor not, or if it might be
something controversial becauseof your own personal spiritual
beliefs or religious beliefs.
I understand that.
Do you believe in ghosts?
This is Andy here tuning in fromthe Celestial Space Station.
Uh, yeah, I am probably one ofthe most woo woo members of the
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family.
I believe in a lot of thingsthat a lot of our family members
are very skeptical of.
And I do agree.
I do personally see things asenergy.
And feel my way through theuniverse and our conscious world
that way.
And I think sometimes we canprobably experience different
kinds of energy that often getlabeled as ghosts.
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Yeah.
And might not be.
Like interstellar he's in oneparticular part of space and
time, and he's communicatingthrough that part of space and
time in the past, and then thecurrent reality, it's appearing
as if there's a ghost.
That's a very big possibility.
Yeah.
It's all interconnected.
And I definitely believe in,again, the energy and the vibe,
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so I think sometimes situationsfeel real ghostly to me, like
that's real spooky.
other times it's like there's avibe.
There's definitely an energythere.
For sure.
And some people who are livingfeel like ghosts.
You know who you are.
You know what that means?
Sometimes I feel like a ghost.
Don't worry.
We're gonna cut that out.
Are we?
I think there's a fine line too,between like our intuition and
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our imagination, because even assomeone who does believe in
ghosts And believes in energyand light work, sometimes I
catch myself being realoverdramatic.
Recognizing that, okay, myimagination is running wild
right now.
It's running a little rampant.
'cause I might be scared.
You're scaring yourself.
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Yeah.
And so your imagination just allof a sudden there's 10 ghosts
cheering you on, walking downthe hallway to get to the other
side.
Or that you're gonna seesomething crazy and it's not
real.
It's just all in your head.
And I think on the flip side,there's situations like mine
where I've shared it.
I've been told, there's no way.
And so then I went, yeah,there's no way.
And downplayed my ownexperiences because other people
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do not have the capacity tobelieve in things outside of
ordinary.
It depends on the circles you'rein and the circumstances.
And I think a lot of skepticshang their hat on that, that
like it's just your imagination.
Versus recognizing that, Hmm,maybe there's something to it.
And there are instances whereit's actually someone's
intuition.
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When you have intuitive moments,you'll then know the difference.
So you have to experience itfirst.
And then it changes how youinteract with things like
walking into dark rooms andthings of that nature.
I'm not nearly as scared as Iused to be when my imagination
did run rampant.
And then once I actually had aweird experience that I couldn't
explain, I was like, okay, sothat's what that actually feels
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like.
But also sometimes living peoplehave some energy and we can get
to that later.
That could really throw you off,they walk in and you're like,
whoa.
What in the freaking golum.
I mean, but those are livingpeople, not ghosts.
You're right, they're ghouls,those are ghouls, not ghosts.
But it does lend to the factthat energy is a thing that can
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linger in spaces.
That can be felt, without words.
It's just a knowing when theenergy is strong enough and it
definitely feeds into this topicof things that we can't explain.
Do you watch scary movies, ghoststories, things like that?
I do.
There was a point in time whereI was watching a lot of scary
movies and it was kind ofnormalized.
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I know a handful of people thatwork in like actual film and
they particularly work in horrormovies.
And so I've been exposed to alot of scary movies.
I particularly likepsychological thrillers.
But for whatever reason, moviesabout possession, really bother
me.
Oh yeah.
No, I have never watched TheExorcist all the way through.
The Exorcist didn't bother me,but some of the other, more
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modern films.
I remember reading a lot ofdifferent articles that were
written about The Exorcist andthe things that happened on set.
Which are really creepy.
Which makes it worse, yeah, itmakes it worse.
But it weirdly didn't get to metoo much.
The Conjuring and those kind offilms really bother me.
Maybe it's like some deep rootedstuff from being a part-time
Catholic.
growing up.
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mm-hmm.
yeah.
But some of that stuff like doesreally freak me out.
And then like I've had friendsthat are like, let's just go
watch this and I made themistake of not knowing anything
about the film, and then I'msitting in the theater and I'm
like, what the Was not ready forthis.
Mm-hmm.
I think I need to go home andwatch Queer Eye for like three
hours to cleanse my mind.
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Your life.
Yeah.
How about you?
I mean, I know this answer.
You know, the answer to thisquestion, but is has there ever
been a time where you've watcheda scary movie or a ghost movie
that didn't totally get to you?
Yes and no.
So I'm a complete child and Ihave to, this is true and I own
it 100%.
I do not like scary movies.
I will sometimes tolerate a likereal life ghost show or
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something like that, like GhostHunters.
Things that kind of are tellinglike the history of a place
through like ghost hunting,which I think is kind of cool.
Yeah.
Because I dig the history part,but I have to watch them during
the day.
Yeah.
Literally when the lights areon.
And I have time similarly, tocleanse my soul.
To reset and reset my nervoussystem before it gets dark so I
don't panic.
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And that is the child in me.
I don't like the feeling ofbeing scared.
And a lot of movies.
Try to evoke that as much aspossible.
And I don't enjoy it.
Like I, I find no joy whatsoeverin any kind of scary movie.
A psychological thriller maybeas long as it's more on the
psychological thriller side andnot trying to be as much of a
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scary movie type flick.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Because I think there's adifference.
And I can't watch too much of itbecause then again, I have a
very intuitive brain and a veryimaginative brain altogether So
all of a sudden everybody inStarbucks to me is a serial
killer.
You got me.
That was funny.
Super paranoid and it's just notcute.
So I had to make a consciousdecision for myself when I was
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much younger.
we watched that stupid, oh God,what was it that came out?
The Blair Witch Project.
And I never really watched it.
I went with all my friends'causeit was like all the hype.
And, pretended to watch it and Inever watched half of it.
And I think at some point I'mpretty sure I had my eyes
closed.
It turns out it wasn't that bigof a deal, but yeah, it wasn't
that bad.
One of the actual ghost moviesthat got me when it first came
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out was, the sixth sense.
That one really got you.
And this was a long time ago'cause it's an old movie,
because it directly talks about.
Ghosts, right?
And experience and seeing them.
And I think that's a big fearfor me, I don't wanna see
ghosts.
I'm really open to a lot ofdifferent other spiritual means
of connection and communication.
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But it really got me, I wenthome and this is when I still
lived at home with mom and dadand you.
Yeah.
I was there and, I like kept allthe lights on'cause I couldn't
go to sleep.
Really?
I was like, no.
Nope, nope.
To be fair, we also lived in ahouse that was haunted.
Yes, we did.
I think that's probably why.
And I've only told a couple ofthe stories to people that I
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actually know in real lifebecause we lived in a house that
just had a lot of weirdoccurrences.
And I think, you gotta becareful who you tell, because
sometimes people just don'tunderstand.
They've never had anything likethat happen.
Sometimes they're hyperreligious and it could feel like
a threat to them.
So yeah, but I could see howthat could really bother you.
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I didn't even think about thatactually.
Mm-hmm.
I've suppressed so much.
And then we're wondering why wecan't run down the hall at
night.
I know.
To get to our beds because wegrew up with a lot of weird shit
and that stuff lingers.
It sticks with you.
But yeah, I appreciate realityshows that tried to debunk some
things.
Yeah'cause even they come acrossinstances that they can't
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explain.
When you think of theexpansiveness of the universe,
it's just like there's no way toreally argue.
I hate to be the bearer of badnews, but we don't even know
most of our oceans.
That's like alien talk, that's adifferent episode.
Like how, how many times haveyou ever just felt like a chill
or you knew.
That you weren't alone in aspace?
In my late twenties I used to gotraveling throughout the US a
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lot and driving on road trips,to ghost towns, more, the
history of the ghost town.
But I mean, some of them werecreepy And some of them also,
you had to actually hike intodeserted areas.
There was many a times where Iwas like, am I in danger?
You had to rethink your lifechoices.
Yeah.
And well, they were really coolfor the photography element of
it.
There were times where I wasstanding in buildings and I
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swore I heard something.
I've had many instances whereI've just felt clear as day as
if you had walked up next to meor behind me.
I remember years ago, decadesago at a job site, we all had
these desks in the back and wewere all therapists, so we just
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had shared space.
And it was like an oldwarehouse, backspace.
I was new, so I didn't knowanything about the space, but I
was back there.
And I could have swore thatsomeone was sitting in the
cubicle behind me the entiretime I thought my colleague was
there, the entire time that Iwas back there typing notes.
So much so that I called outlike, Hey, do you know what I'm
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supposed to put in X, Y, and Zfield?
'cause I was filling out somepaperwork and I was just
learning how to do all thepaperwork, and there was no
response.
So I got up and looked over andnobody was there.
I looked around the room andrealized I was the only person
back there.
And I freaking ran out, ran tothe bathroom, which was on the
other side to get out of thespace.
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And it freaked me out like sobad.
I told my coworker, I said, ohmy God, I thought you were
there.
she's like, no.
I stepped out a while ago to gohave a meeting with this other
person.
And she's like, why did you seesomething or feel something?
And I'm like, why?
What do you know?
Uh, and so she told me thatthere was like a man that
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they've all seen.
Hanging out in that back place.
And they've all had differentexperiences with feeling like
somebody was there.
But some of the people who havebeen there late in the day or
really early in the morningalone have seen him.
And they all described him thesame way.
Oh my God.
That's scary.
Dude.
I did not wanna work.
I never went back there aloneanymore.
I wasn't gonna stay after hours.
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No way.
That's so creepy.
Are you crazy?
No.
And I've worked in a lot ofplaces where there's a lot of
old history and ghost sightingsand ghost stories.
I've lived in a lot of placesthat we've had that, so yeah, I
totally know that feeling.
It's the worst when you're likeconfident that it's a person and
you turn around and there'snobody there.
One thing that I've experienceda few times that I thought, this
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is the day that I lose my mind,I guess.
I've been sitting somewhere,I've been in a building and I've
heard clear as day somebody say,Hey, my eyes got big, my pulse
started to kind of increase.
Because I very clearly heardsomething.
I have had moments where I feltlike somebody was walking behind
me, which is not a good feeling.
That's not a good feeling.
Stalker ghosts are never a goodfeeling.
Stage five.
Clinger Stage five Clingers.
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I'm curious, knowing what wegrew up around and what happened
in the house.
Did you ever share it withpeople?
Did you get more comfortable asyou got older or were you always
open about it?
You mean like did I share itthen when it was happening with
other people?
Oh, yeah, yeah, my friends and Iused to talk about it all the
time.
Like ghost stories and justdifferent experiences.
Everyone had their own stories.
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I talk about it to people ifthey're open to the
conversation.
Really creepy.
We had an aunt that had a dollcollection, like collectibles?
Yeah.
Really expensive dolls.
Right at the base of her stairs.
Toward her front door.
She had this, a China cabinet,but it's all glass.
Mm-hmm.
So you could see through it.
And she had her dolls on displayand it had a little lock on the
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front of the door.
Because they were expensivedolls, so one day me and a
cousin we're spending the nightover at her house and we were
upstairs asleep and we hear thedoor of the thing open, like it
didn't open lightly.
It opened like someone flung itopen made a loud noise, when we
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got up to look to see what itwas, all the dolls were on the
floor.
All the doors were on the floorand all their eyes were open.
That's like a full-on Chuckymoment we looked at our aunt and
she had gotten up and she waslike, don't worry, it happens
all the time.
Oh hell no.
And she basically told us that'slike, I gotta note myself out of
this place.
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She went downstairs, she cleanedthem all up, locked the thing.
I think what she meant to saywas that she forgot to lock it.
I don't think so'cause you know,like.
I think it's easier for us totalk about these things because
it is in our family, I bet youanything, she was like, yeah,
there's a ghost that live here,but she didn't wanna scare you.
So she's like, don't worry, ithappens all the time.
She went and she cleanedeverything up.
She locked them back in thething, and this time she made us
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go sleep in the room with herand locked the door.
And I remember feeling superunsafe from that point on.
So we would go to make tamalesat her house.
I'd be like, no, I'm fine.
I never need to come back hereagain.
Yeah.
Sometimes me and the cousin thatexperienced that and would like
kind of reminisce about it andlaugh'cause I was like,
obviously I didn't reallybelieve that the dolls came to
life in any capacity.
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I just didn't understand whathad happened and then like
trying to reason it, reason withyourself as a child.
Like you're just like, you gotlike a 10 minute window span,
yeah.
It's your creativity kicks inand then also your just sense of
reality to protect you kicks inand like wants to shut down.
Yeah.
We're gonna pretend like thatnever happened kind of thing.
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You think that's one of the mostprofound family ghost stories?
Not for me.
One year, this happened directlyto me.
One of my cousins she had likean upstairs bedroom.
It was a very narrow staircase,but it was encased by two walls.
So when you walked up, it wasjust like you, a couple stairs
and walls.
Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
And then it led you all the wayup to the top, which essentially
was the attic of the house.
But it split into two sides soon one side was one bedroom, the
other side was the other buttheir closets opened up into the
attic of the house.
So when you would go into thecloset, there was a little tiny
crawl space.
And if you crawled through thatcrawl space like we did,'cause
we were curious kids.
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There was a whole other side ofan addict, with boxes of
leftover memorabilia and thingsthat the family before left.
So, on Thanksgiving, everybodywas eating, everybody was loud,
having a good time.
I mean, we're a Latino family,Puerto Rican family, playing a
bunch of music, as we do.
And so I realized I leftsomething upstairs.
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So I went upstairs to go getsomething, and as I was running
up the stairs a big rock, hit mein the back of my leg.
I turned around and all I sawwas the rock falling down.
So I ran back downstairs to seeif it was one of our boy
cousins.
No one was there.
No one was in the housewhatsoever.
Mm-hmm.
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I ran back up the stairsthinking that was really weird,
and felt a little bit of fear,but just like that was strange.
Mm-hmm.
The rock hit me again.
And I ran into the room reallyquickly, ran into the room,
grabbed what I needed to grab,and as I was walking down the
stairs, a rock hit me again.
But this time in the back of thehead, I was a kid and I remember
just being like so afraid.
And I ran to Tio and told him,and he was like, don't worry,
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mija, it's nothing, you're just.
You know, hallucinating.
No worries.
Does you have fever check or didyou ask fever?
Nothing to worry about.
How about you?
I have a lot from like when wegrew up and stuff, of course one
in particular that's coming tomind right now is when my
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partner and I, we used to livein this apartment Uhhuh and it
was like really cheap to livethere.
It was not in a greatneighborhood.
And I always wanted to move outof that place'cause I always
felt.
Like there was a vibe there thatjust didn't quite feel settled.
But he's a healthy skeptic andwas like, no, no, no, no.
It's fine.
Yeah.
And then one day we were, I wasgetting ready, I don't remember
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going somewhere and I wasgetting ready in the room and he
was across the hall in the shop,in the bathroom.
Gonna take a shower.
Yeah.
And I heard clear as day andfelt the warmth of somebody's
breath at my ear, like if youplayfully came up behind me and
said my name.
Mm-hmm.
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And I thought it was him, I likequickly turned around like, stop
it you're scaring me.
and nobody was there.
My heart sank, like sank to theground.
Yeah, that's scary.
And I was like, oh my God.
And so I ran over across thehall to the bathroom and he was
in the shower.
I'm like, did you just come overhere and try to scare me?
And he was, didn't know what Iwas talking about.
And I totally freaked out.
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Literally from that moment on, Iwas on a mission to move.
Can't live here anymore, it'sdone, it's done.
My name was said clear as day.
It was a man's voice.
It was like warm, and thatfreaked me out.
That's really scary.
What about like paranormal stuffthat maybe it's not considered
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paranormal, right?
What about like dreams that feeltoo real?
I have weird dreams like I had adream about dad that we've
talked about.
Before he passed away, rightbefore he passed away.
I was having this very luciddream about him.
That seemed really strange and Ikind of felt like I was dreaming
too.
I was very confused.
About what was happening in thedream.
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And it was very detailed and.
Things that were happening madesense for the most part.
Yeah.
But I was also confused as towhy it was happening.
Okay.
And I kept trying to getclarification from him and he
kept, just kept saying he had togo.
And at the very end of thedream, I felt his mustache on my
face in real life.
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And smelt him.
And in that instant, the phonerang and it was Mitch on the
other line, letting me know thathe had passed.
And we needed to go to thehospital.
And that was probably the mostvivid, ghost related story as it
pertains to like somebodypassing.
Mm-hmm.
Or like having this connectionto, to our loved ones in a dream
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kind of way Yeah.
Because sometimes ghost dreamsor dreams related to ghosts and
things like that.
They're, they're not alwaysscary.
And also like paranormalactivity in your house, like,
it's not always scary.
Yeah.
So for our listeners, we havelost two very close people in
our lives.
Both our father and our middlesister.
And so, we've had a lot, ofexperience with loss.
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And also just family memberspassing away.
Yeah.
We come from giant families,pretty enormous families.
And I think on that topic ofhaving dreams where they're
almost like sending messages.
And it feels like they're very,like they're communicating
something.
I've had a couple dreams of dadand our sister kind of
communicating things to me,particularly when our mother got
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sick.
And was a scary time for us.
They just were like, Hey, it'sgonna be okay.
It's gonna be fine.
And she beat all the odds, whichis pretty wild.
Mm-hmm.
And so I think sometimes thatdoes happen and we are connected
in ways that are unexplainable.
There's some kind of knowing.
And whether it's actually aspirit or.
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A pre-existed person, that's acorrect term.
Someone who has passed, someonewho has passed away.
That's the real question.
Yeah.
Or if it's just a big picturething that we can't really
comprehend.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or is it an imprint of theirenergy or is it, our own
memories that are creating theseexperiences.
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I mean, that's why there is alot of room for healthy
skepticism if we are open to theidea that anything's possible,
then anything can be possible.
True.
And there could be differentexplanations for it, but my
explanation is it's ghosts inthe room.
There's always this kind ofhealthy level of skepticism.
There's a lot of denial, notonly in our family stories, but
our friends family stories andother stories that people have
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told us.
Right.
With superstitions and thesuperstitions are so prevalent
that I feel like I learned earlyon about some of these things,
but didn't know why we weredoing them.
Yeah.
So like you light the candlesfor the ghosts, or you put out a
cup of water if you're havingany kind of activity so that the
ghosts can be able to movethrough the space.
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See, I don't know a lot aboutsuperstitions because when you
said the water thing blew mymind, I was like, wait a minute,
actually, the ant that you toldthe story about.
She used to do that in her housebecause she moved to a new house
and she still had similar ghostissues.
Girl.
Yeah.
It was attached.
That is creepy.
But, or even like ourgrandmothers used to suggest
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things to do to protect theenergy of your home.
Lighting Sage and Palo Santo anddoing things like that, that
felt very ritualistic in someways.
And they always used to usephrases like, don't bring that
negative energy into the house.
Don't let ghost follow you home.
But I do think that's reallyinteresting that a lot of
families and people that we knowwho might be superstitious, but
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also skeptics.
Well, I think skepticism allowsyou to feel a sense of normality
in things that are beyond yourcontrol.
And also, you could get tooinvolved mm-hmm, with something
and something bad could happenand the question of sanity comes
into play.
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Having a healthy dose ofskepticism is essential when
you're dabbling with things thatare not fully understood.
Mm-hmm.
Just to have like a little bitof reason and logic, kind of
just, you know, sprinkle onthere, like a nice little
glitter pie.
A little magical glitter pie,little magic glitter pie.
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What about like, signs from theuniverse?
I know we're talking about ghostcinco stories.
As an owl flies by the window.
There's also this whole otherarea that.
People sometimes talk about oflike the intuitive sign or that
there's signs from the universeor signs from their loved ones
that have passed on.
do you believe in those things?
Do you believe in signs from theuniverse?
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Yes, I have a weird associationand connection with the number
two and four.
It's really interesting andstrange.
I don't know, I have like thisaffinity with both those numbers
or any, and this also could be asign of neurodivergence, any
multiple two and four.
I dunno why.
Have you ever looked it up?
Like at numerology?
No, I haven't you should.
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Sometimes I associate that withlike good luck or like a good
sign I guess.
And I've had, you know, whenAndy first found out she was
gonna have a daughter, I had adream and in the dream we were
on a plane and at this pointAndy was living in a different
state and I was in the state ofCalifornia We were on this plane
and the plane was experiencingreally bad turbulence.
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And I mean like we were gonnacrash turbulence, and she was
panicking, panic panicking.
I was like, it's okay.
We're gonna be fine.
We're gonna be fine.
Why are you freaking out?
And she screamed at the top ofher lungs, I'm pregnant.
And I looked at her and all theturbulence stopped and it was
just like everything juststopped shaking.
Woke up immediately called her.
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I said, are you pregnant?
She said, no, you're crazy.
I fool online.
She did.
I fool online'cause it was tooearly and we weren't sure yet.
But I did know then, and thenlater when I told Mitch that,
yeah, she was right.
Yeah.
And I was pregnant, she waslike, I knew it.
I, the dream was so clear and Ijust knew that it was a sign.
It was a sign, it was like amessage to me that something was
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going on with you.
It was such a real dream.
And I've had that with a fewdifferent, close people in my
life where I'll have some kindof a dream or just a knowing.
It's a weird feeling mm-hmm.
That something is off or wrongthat I need to call and track on
them or, so I think we becomeentangled in some of our closest
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relationships with people.
Mm-hmm.
Distance really isn't a factor.
If you're super intuitive andyou're entangled in their
energy, I don't know how toexplain it better than that.
It's like those stories of liketwins that were separated birth
and then they find each other asadults and realize they lived
like two blocks away from eachother.
Um, I think, I mean, maybe it'squantum entanglement.
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I dunno.
It's definitely something to dowith, there's something there.
The universe and the energy ofit.
How about you?
Do you believe in signs?
Oh yeah.
100%.
Yeah.
I believe in all kinds of signs.
For me, it's a lot of one, oneones.
I see that a lot and I usuallywill see it when I feel like I
need a reassurance of some sort.
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And that comes up a lot.
Nature, so I get a lot of naturesigns, so I'll get like
repetitive.
I'll never see a hawk and thenall of a sudden I'll see a hawk
every day for two weeks in arow.
And like right outside my door.
Where they never are.
There's no nest nearby.
Actually before, one of our big,kind of family transitions at
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the beginning of this year.
Yeah.
I kept seeing a coyote, oh,that's right.
Every morning.
And it would stop.
It was like six, eight feet awayfrom me.
And it would just stop and stareat me.
It was asking itself, is todaythe day?
And I was like, I don't knowwhat to do because I don't know
how okay this is or not.
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But it never did anything.
It was never aggressive.
It just walked by as soon as Icame out, and this is like
different times, it wasn't like.
I was meeting it at its morningwalk or whatever.
All of a sudden it was justthere and staring at me.
That's bizarre.
So I had to start looking it up,like, what does this mean?
But I get a lot of that.
Music is a big one for me.
I wake up a lot with loud musicplaying in my head.
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And so I'll look up the lyricsand somehow it's related, to
things.
And in our family we have a bigmusical connection.
And a lot of things I think arecommunicated, through music,
versus words.
So that's a big one, but yeah,for sure, signs are a big thing.
Like if you notice and payattention.
You'd be surprised.
How many signs do you havearound you?
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Yeah.
And what's interesting is Iactually, when our father
passed, I had just gotten atattoo of an owl for him on my
wrist.
And so I do associate owls withhim.
So it's a little weird.
That one I was like, or like,we've gotten in a car together.
Yeah.
And like all of a sudden a songwill jump on.
To your playlist, that's likereminds us of our dad.
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And we didn't put it on.
It would just kind of show up.
I do truly believe thatsometimes those messages are
there to help guide you anddirect you.
And I'll give you an example.
When I was in grad school, and Ihad to take a break from grad
school for my health.
I took a year off, and it wassuch a chaotic time that I was
contemplating not returning tograd school because I was like
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not feeling like I could do it.
And I could manage.
And so it literally was like mesaying no and telling my
partner, well, if it's meant tobe, then the universe will tell
me.
Yeah.
And I went to grad school in aplace that's like an hour away
from where I worked and lived,um, no connection to any of
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those places.
And I was walking, taking a walkat work down a path.
And I took a back path'cause Iliked to try to keep it quiet.
I wanted to avoid people.
You know, me and small talkwe're not great.
So I was like, I'm gonna takethis back path that nobody ever
takes'cause it's more quiet.
To get to my destination.
And on that path, I kid you notas I'm walking, walking, right
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in front of me.
Like I tripped on it.
There was a magnet for my gradschool.
What are the odds?
What are the freaking odds?
That's weird.
Clear as day, and it was like,don't give up on your dreams,
start today.
And I was like, what?
I literally tried to ignore it.
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I was like, this is ridiculous.
I put it in my pocket, showed itto my partner.
He's like, that's really weird.
He's like, well, there's yoursign.
I'm like, no, no, no.
It's a magnet.
That's just a coincidence.
And he is like, what are theodds?
Like why would it be there?
You trip over it.
And it's exactly your gradprogram saying these words.
And then I'm like, well, I can'tdo it anyways because, um, I
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need help covering my job sothat I can attend the classes
that I need to attend to finish.
And that's not gonna happenbecause we're short staffed and
nobody's gonna do it, blah,blah.
All the excuses, right.
The next day, one of my oldcoworkers asked me about grad
school, and so I share with herkind of where I'm at, what I'm
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going through, and I'm thinking,and she goes, oh, no, no, no.
You don't need to worry aboutit.
I'm going to come and fill infor you on the days that you
need to go to class.
No problem.
Not even an issue.
Wow.
I was like, what?
Yeah.
And she's like, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Don't worry about it.
I already talked to your super,our supervisor, her old
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supervisor, and she's gonna hireme as a temp so I can help.
Holy cow.
So you tell me what yourschedule's gonna be and I'll be
here.
I love that.
And know what that was too.
And that was like, oh, like theuniverse is sending me sign.
Yeah.
And it is responding.
It responded to you.
So in that sense, when thosethings have happened, yeah.
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Like you have to believe in thesigns.
Yeah.
I mean there's sometimes there'sreally clear indications.
Sometimes it is a coincidence,right?
And there's like some littlemoments where you can't deny it.
There's been times where I'vemet someone and they felt so
familiar.
There's only been a handful oftimes where that's happened.
I will not share names, butthere's one particular time
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where I met someone who's stillsomeone I know and I couldn't
shake the feeling like I'veknown him forever.
And it was just the weirdestthing, I went to go, see a band.
He came up to talk to me, and Istarted talking super fast
because once we were talking, Irealized, oh, why is this?
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Like, why am I feeling this?
It's a weird feeling.
I just got really scared of him.
Mm-hmm.
So that's really bizarre.
Sometimes, like intuition justworks in these mysterious ways.
I don't even know how to explainthat.
Yeah, I think that's true.
There's like connections, right?
And I think that speaks to theenergetic part of it.
I also wonder that too, like ifyou, if you're not as much of a
skeptic and you believe inspirits and the universe doing
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work behind the scenes then howmuch of that could be possible
that like people are being putin your path and you're being
nudged, you know, in certaindirections.
I am kind of skeptical aboutthings.
I think, like I'm at odds withit.
Because I know that, wondrous,magical things have happened.
I know that there's been kind ofscary moments that I'm like,
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what the hell is that?
Or what's happening?
And I feel unsafe.
I didn't mention, you know, theghost that I've seen, but I have
seen what resembled a personwalking from a room to another
room.
Well, I was alone in a house andit really freaked me out.
And I thought somebody broke in.
But nobody broke in there's beentimes, was that my house?
No, but your house.
I did see what, look likesomebody The interesting part
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about your house is that it'solder.
It's like over a hundred yearsold.
And I think it was walking upinto that part and I saw through
the crevice what looked like Ihad just missed, somebody
walking into the office space.
And it freaked me out.
And it didn't help that when Ihad first gone there, the fire
alarm kept going off for noreason.
Mm-hmm.
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Which, no story because thatfire alarm, that we couldn't
explain it, there was no reasonfor it to be going off and.
It just wouldn't stop.
Whatever was in your house orlives in your house, I don't
have any bad feelings from it.
Um, I think they were protectingtheir home.
Mm-hmm.
And I've never felt like indanger, but I think I did feel
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like I was an intruder in theirspace.
And the dogs were there.
Yeah.
Which also like real quick.
Talking about how our animalsthey know can also see things.
Oh, my dog, you even hear, and Idon't know if you feel this, but
it gives me like a sense ofsecurity, too, knowing that my
dog is there.
Yeah.
Because I feel like he wouldreact to something that felt
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unsafe.
In a different way and I wouldnotice it.
So if he's chill, then I'm okaywith it.
Um, my dog he reacts to likeair, you know, so, I wouldn't
know.
I wouldn't know the difference.
He, like, sometimes he does doweird things in this space, but
I feel so warm and cozy in myhouse.
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Like I feel safe in my house.
And, um, I have a little cute,adorable house that I love.
And so I don't really haveanything.
Negative here.
But I can't say that if youstood here by yourself, you
wouldn't feel something.
Because it's like a foreignspace for you.
I definitely think, even thoughall the things that I've
experienced or seen, or theintuition part, right?
I do really believe that myintuition is extremely strong.
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There's been times where I sitwith people and not that I think
I'm a mind reader, please, CIA,don't come for me.
I'm not interested in workingfor you, and I wouldn't be able
to do the job, but there's beentimes where I'm like sitting
next to somebody.
And I'll say something andthey'll look at me dead.
They'll look at me and be like,what the hell?
Because I was just thinking thator I know that happens between
me and you a lot because we'reYeah, you're really close.
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We do that a lot to each other.
Yeah.
We'll be like, what are youtalking about?
And the other person will say, Ididn't say anything.
And they're, then we'll respond.
Yeah.
I heard you just say that youwere thinking about eating Thai
food today.
Yeah, and you'll be like, no,but I was totally thinking that.
Yeah.
But with people that are not mysibling.
Yeah.
It still happens.
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And that's a really bizarrething to me.
Like I'll be like, oh, I'll aska question or I'll send a text
message and just something thatI'm thinking about or I see
something and that's funny, youknow, and I'll send it to a
friend or somebody I'm reallyclose to and they'll be like,
that is so fucking weird,because I'm literally doing that
thing right now.
I have one friend that wasalways like out doing active
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things, and he's like, you freakme out, one that freaked him
out, I was like, well, I justthought about this restaurant.
I sent him the thing, and thenhe sent a picture and he was
sitting at the table of therestaurant.
Mm-hmm.
And he is like, I just bikedhere and I, I'm scared of you.
And that really speaks to likethe intuitive parts of
ourselves.
Sometimes, the sign is just areminder that we're listening to
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our own intuition.
That we're getting informationthat, you know, gives us answers
to questions we didn't even knowwe had.
I didn't have the question.
I don't need to know the answer,but my brain is like, yeah, we
do.
And also, I think this also kindof plays into intuition, and I
don't know if this is the samecase for you, but for me, I
almost hear the answers to myown question, sometimes.
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Mm-hmm.
And I call that my inner knowingI always have a narrator at all
times.
Yeah.
So that's what I call the innerknowing.
Yeah, 100% it is, your innerknowing.
And a lot of people,unfortunately, are very
disconnected from that, youknow?
And that's like really at theheart of a lot of work that I
do.
Is helping people reconnect.
Because like you said, if youcan create the space like you
have for yourself to allow, toreally spend some time getting
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to know yourself and do some ofyour own healing work around all
of that.
That voice becomes louder andclearer and familiar, and you
become more of a person whostarts making decisions from a
place of knowing than from aplace of fear or lack.
I agree with that.
Yeah, 100%.
It is pretty magical and thatstems a lot from like feminine
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energy, which any person.
However you identify can havestrong feminine energy.
So if you're really in touchwith that as well, it just
amplifies that knowing.
Clearly I'm not the only woowooin the family.
You're also woowoo But I knowyou said you are still a little
skeptical about some things.
I think I am openly curiousabout many things and I am aware
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of the grandness of everythingand I practice healthy
skepticism to ensure that I'mnot going insane.
Yeah.
And the other element of that isI have had different people who
have meant a lot to me that wereincredibly skeptic.
Mm-hmm.
And, over the years, I've maybeabsorbed some of that skepticism
and shut off some of the magicalopenness and natural curiosity
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and flexibility of my ownidentity.
From being around thepossibilities at such a young
age and having parental figureslike our father who had tooken
us into spaces where people wereallowed to explore what they
believed in, right?
And like, have crystals and burncandles and burn sage and enjoy
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the concepts of.
Purifying spaces and meditationand having just this like
general openness and not so muchof a rigid, confined, ideal
system.
Which I think that's what makesit healthy.
Skepticism.
Yeah.
Is having that openness.
Yeah.
I think when you don't have theopenness and you're really close
minded and unwilling to evenconsider possibilities, then
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that becomes toxic skepticismand it becomes.
Narrowing, right?
The other element to religion,and I won't touch on this too
much, is that it eliminates alot of the possibilities of your
own life.
When you.
Assume that the world works onlyone way.
Mm-hmm.
And that people should only beliving in one way.
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And I'll leave it there'cause Idon't wanna go too deep in that.
But I do just think that beingcurious and being flexible and
allowing the unknown to existand for you to not have to know
everything, for you to becomfortable with, knowing that
there's a lot in this universethat we likely will never truly
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understand.
But we can still kind of wonderabout it.
You know?
Yeah.
And you can be a completelygrounded, normal, thoughtful,
brilliant human being and stillbe open and still believe in
things that are, potentiallyunexplainable to many.
Yeah.
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And I like to bring science intoit a lot Then you read it and
then it's more meaningful.
I love that term, and I lovethat ideology behind this idea
of wonder of like, you don'thave to not be a skeptic, but to
be in this curious, open-mindedplace is to explore from this
place of wonder like childrendo.
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To tap into that part of it,because then.
Who knows what you might learn,right?
Who knows what you mightexperience for sure.
And what it might open your lifeup to.
A lot of people have thisexpectation, and society has
this expectation that as yougrow older, I, you are not
allowed to wonder or be curiousor be as flexible.
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That, that is the mindset of achild, or an adolescent.
Yeah.
And I don't think that's true.
And I think that a lot of thechaos and anger and frustration
that we see in the world is areflection of that rigid, narrow
mindset.
So all the things, ghosts signs.
Intuition, you know, in some waythey serve a purpose.
Even if we don't have all theanswers, it's a beautiful thing
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to be able to just tap into aplace of wonder and to explore
that more, even as an adult andto have fun with it.
Share your ghost stories withpeople, connect over it.
Talk about maybe some uniqueunexplainable things that you
wanna share with other people.
It's such a beautifulopportunity to grow and learn.
And you also don't have to haveall the answers.
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Maybe you don't even understandwhat you experienced.
But it's okay to have thoseconversations, it's okay to feel
really nervous about sharingthat kind of stuff, right?
Yeah.
Like some of it is like.
What the hell did I just hear orsee or feel, or why do I feel
this way around these people?
Or how come I heard my grandpasinging a song in the bathroom
and he's been dead for 15 years?
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Hearing a ghost on your baby'smonitor, which did happen, and
you weren't the only one.
Oh wait, let's just tell thatstory and then we'll wrap it up
because my daughter was a baby.
She was like a year old, maybeless than a year old.
And we were watching a movie andmy partner, myself and Mitch.
And it is nighttime and we havethe monitor and nothing else has
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ever come on that monitor beforebesides her.
And we all heard clear as day awoman's voice talking softly to
a baby.
Yes.
And it was.
So clear that it freaked us out.
We thought someone broke intoour place.
And was trying to kidnap ourchild.
And we jumped.
We all looked at each other inan instant, jumped up.
They immediately got up theroom.
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We immediately ran to thebedroom, slammed the door open,
and our baby was asleep.
And there was no one around, noone in the room.
So, you know, I mean, that wasone of the ones, and I think all
of our expressions will be like.
Locked into my mind, like when Idie, that's gonna be one of the
moments that flashes before myeyes.
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That was just one of those, Ithink for me it was such a weird
moment.
It was just too clear.
So it was almost, yeah, unreal.
But the other element was, oh,yeah, yeah, that's it.
This life, isn't it?
There's some things that arebigger than us.
There's something bigger thanthis.
Yeah.
And um.
That baby monitored just likeconfirmed it for me.
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We could probably talk aboutthis all night long and maybe
we'll do a part two or threewith New Ghost stories
potentially.
And so if you leave us somemessages with your growth
stories, we might invite you, toshare with us.
But at the end of the day,sometimes the mystery is simply
the magic true, and ghosts arereal.
Maybe, maybe not, but thestories sure are, whether it's a
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feeling, a flicker of intuition,or a family ghost lighting up
your hallway.
Some things just can't beexplained, and honestly, we
don't need to explain them.
We just need to keep listening,stay open and share them with
people who just get it.
We'll see you next episodeunless we get visited first.
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Bye bye.
Welcome back to Andy and Mitch.
Two sisters, two generations,and today a whole lot of spooky
woo woo.
And.
Wait, what just happened?
Yes.
We are diving into the weird,the unexplainable, and the
definitely maybe paranormalghosts, signs, intuition.
Call it what you want.
We've all had those moments thatmade us pause and ask, was that
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real?
So whether you're a full blownbeliever or a loving skeptic,
grab your cafecito light acandle, spray some sage, and
let's dive in.
Today, we're gonna dive intosome fun woo woo, spooky topics.
We're gonna talk all aboutghosts, paranormal, the
unexplained signs from theuniverse.
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As most of us probably areaware, this idea of believing in
the supernatural and theunexplained, has been in
existence since forever.
You can watch on the Historychannel.
And we can't help but to, bepulled in by the possibility
that there is something elsehappening.
Yeah.
So where do you think thesebeliefs come from?
That's a great question.
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I mean, human beings have alwaysbeen naturally curious about
what happens after we die.
Spirits and ghosts are deeplyrooted in culture and religion,
right?
And ancient Egypt, they believedin Ka spirit and Ba personality,
which could live on after death.
You look into Christianity, theybelieve in an afterlife judgment
and possibility of spiritsinteracting with the living as
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contributed to Western Ghostfolklore.
And then you look at indigenouscultures and many indigenous
cultures worldwide from NativeAmerican traditions to African
beliefs have long held thatspirits remain among the living
to provide guidance, protection,and wisdom.
So culturally speaking, there'sa wealth of knowledge and
experience that's passed on tous, and I think a lot of times
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in modern society, it's kind ofshunned or looked down upon.
Yeah, it's it is veryfascinating to reflect on the
history and how long it'sactually been around.
And how it's part of mythologyand it's part of storytelling
and passing down generationalbeliefs.
I mean, even in our own culture,in Latino culture, right.
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We celebrate dia de los mertos,which is all about ghosts,
roaming the earth.
We grew up with family membersthat openly talked about spirits
and ghosts and life beyond,believing in something bigger.
so lemme ask you this do youbelieve in ghosts?
yeah, I do.
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And that wraps this podcastepisode.
I do.
I believe in ghost.
I believe in energy.
I believe in spirits.
Listen, okay, I think if we lookback in history and things have
been talked about forgenerations, upon generations,
upon generations, upongenerations, I think there's
enough generations.
There has to be some kind oftruth to the element of the
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storytelling, right?
And whether you wanna believe itor not, or if it might be
something controversial becauseof your own personal spiritual
beliefs or religious beliefs.
I understand that.
Do you believe in ghosts?
This is Andy here tuning in fromthe Celestial Space Station.
Uh, yeah, I am probably one ofthe most woo woo members of the
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family.
I believe in a lot of thingsthat a lot of our family members
are very skeptical of.
And I do agree.
I do personally see things asenergy.
And feel my way through theuniverse and our conscious world
that way.
And I think sometimes we canprobably experience different
kinds of energy that often getlabeled as ghosts.
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Yeah.
And might not be.
Like interstellar he's in oneparticular part of space and
time, and he's communicatingthrough that part of space and
time in the past, and then thecurrent reality, it's appearing
as if there's a ghost.
That's a very big possibility.
Yeah.
It's all interconnected.
And I definitely believe in,again, the energy and the vibe,
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so I think sometimes situationsfeel real ghostly to me, like
that's real spooky.
other times it's like there's avibe.
There's definitely an energythere.
For sure.
And some people who are livingfeel like ghosts.
You know who you are.
You know what that means?
Sometimes I feel like a ghost.
Don't worry.
We're gonna cut that out.
Are we?
I think there's a fine line too,between like our intuition and
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our imagination, because even assomeone who does believe in
ghosts And believes in energyand light work, sometimes I
catch myself being realoverdramatic.
Recognizing that, okay, myimagination is running wild
right now.
It's running a little rampant.
'cause I might be scared.
You're scaring yourself.
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Yeah.
And so your imagination just allof a sudden there's 10 ghosts
cheering you on, walking downthe hallway to get to the other
side.
Or that you're gonna seesomething crazy and it's not
real.
It's just all in your head.
And I think on the flip side,there's situations like mine
where I've shared it.
I've been told, there's no way.
And so then I went, yeah,there's no way.
And downplayed my ownexperiences because other people
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do not have the capacity tobelieve in things outside of
ordinary.
It depends on the circles you'rein and the circumstances.
And I think a lot of skepticshang their hat on that, that
like it's just your imagination.
Versus recognizing that, Hmm,maybe there's something to it.
And there are instances whereit's actually someone's
intuition.
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When you have intuitive moments,you'll then know the difference.
So you have to experience itfirst.
And then it changes how youinteract with things like
walking into dark rooms andthings of that nature.
I'm not nearly as scared as Iused to be when my imagination
did run rampant.
And then once I actually had aweird experience that I couldn't
explain, I was like, okay, sothat's what that actually feels
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like.
But also sometimes living peoplehave some energy and we can get
to that later.
That could really throw you off,they walk in and you're like,
whoa.
What in the freaking golum.
I mean, but those are livingpeople, not ghosts.
You're right, they're ghouls,those are ghouls, not ghosts.
But it does lend to the factthat energy is a thing that can
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linger in spaces.
That can be felt, without words.
It's just a knowing when theenergy is strong enough and it
definitely feeds into this topicof things that we can't explain.
Do you watch scary movies, ghoststories, things like that?
I do.
There was a point in time whereI was watching a lot of scary
movies and it was kind ofnormalized.
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I know a handful of people thatwork in like actual film and
they particularly work in horrormovies.
And so I've been exposed to alot of scary movies.
I particularly likepsychological thrillers.
But for whatever reason, moviesabout possession, really bother
me.
Oh yeah.
No, I have never watched TheExorcist all the way through.
The Exorcist didn't bother me,but some of the other, more
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modern films.
I remember reading a lot ofdifferent articles that were
written about The Exorcist andthe things that happened on set.
Which are really creepy.
Which makes it worse, yeah, itmakes it worse.
But it weirdly didn't get to metoo much.
The Conjuring and those kind offilms really bother me.
Maybe it's like some deep rootedstuff from being a part-time
Catholic.
growing up.
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mm-hmm.
yeah.
But some of that stuff like doesreally freak me out.
And then like I've had friendsthat are like, let's just go
watch this and I made themistake of not knowing anything
about the film, and then I'msitting in the theater and I'm
like, what the Was not ready forthis.
Mm-hmm.
I think I need to go home andwatch Queer Eye for like three
hours to cleanse my mind.
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Your life.
Yeah.
How about you?
I mean, I know this answer.
You know, the answer to thisquestion, but is has there ever
been a time where you've watcheda scary movie or a ghost movie
that didn't totally get to you?
Yes and no.
So I'm a complete child and Ihave to, this is true and I own
it 100%.
I do not like scary movies.
I will sometimes tolerate a likereal life ghost show or
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something like that, like GhostHunters.
Things that kind of are tellinglike the history of a place
through like ghost hunting,which I think is kind of cool.
Yeah.
Because I dig the history part,but I have to watch them during
the day.
Yeah.
Literally when the lights areon.
And I have time similarly, tocleanse my soul.
To reset and reset my nervoussystem before it gets dark so I
don't panic.
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And that is the child in me.
I don't like the feeling ofbeing scared.
And a lot of movies.
Try to evoke that as much aspossible.
And I don't enjoy it.
Like I, I find no joy whatsoeverin any kind of scary movie.
A psychological thriller maybeas long as it's more on the
psychological thriller side andnot trying to be as much of a
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scary movie type flick.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Because I think there's adifference.
And I can't watch too much of itbecause then again, I have a
very intuitive brain and a veryimaginative brain altogether So
all of a sudden everybody inStarbucks to me is a serial
killer.
You got me.
That was funny.
Super paranoid and it's just notcute.
So I had to make a consciousdecision for myself when I was
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much younger.
we watched that stupid, oh God,what was it that came out?
The Blair Witch Project.
And I never really watched it.
I went with all my friends'causeit was like all the hype.
And, pretended to watch it and Inever watched half of it.
And I think at some point I'mpretty sure I had my eyes
closed.
It turns out it wasn't that bigof a deal, but yeah, it wasn't
that bad.
One of the actual ghost moviesthat got me when it first came
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out was, the sixth sense.
That one really got you.
And this was a long time ago'cause it's an old movie,
because it directly talks about.
Ghosts, right?
And experience and seeing them.
And I think that's a big fearfor me, I don't wanna see
ghosts.
I'm really open to a lot ofdifferent other spiritual means
of connection and communication.
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But it really got me, I wenthome and this is when I still
lived at home with mom and dadand you.
Yeah.
I was there and, I like kept allthe lights on'cause I couldn't
go to sleep.
Really?
I was like, no.
Nope, nope.
To be fair, we also lived in ahouse that was haunted.
Yes, we did.
I think that's probably why.
And I've only told a couple ofthe stories to people that I
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actually know in real lifebecause we lived in a house that
just had a lot of weirdoccurrences.
And I think, you gotta becareful who you tell, because
sometimes people just don'tunderstand.
They've never had anything likethat happen.
Sometimes they're hyperreligious and it could feel like
a threat to them.
So yeah, but I could see howthat could really bother you.
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I didn't even think about thatactually.
Mm-hmm.
I've suppressed so much.
And then we're wondering why wecan't run down the hall at
night.
I know.
To get to our beds because wegrew up with a lot of weird shit
and that stuff lingers.
It sticks with you.
But yeah, I appreciate realityshows that tried to debunk some
things.
Yeah'cause even they come acrossinstances that they can't
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explain.
When you think of theexpansiveness of the universe,
it's just like there's no way toreally argue.
I hate to be the bearer of badnews, but we don't even know
most of our oceans.
That's like alien talk, that's adifferent episode.
Like how, how many times haveyou ever just felt like a chill
or you knew.
That you weren't alone in aspace?
In my late twenties I used to gotraveling throughout the US a
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lot and driving on road trips,to ghost towns, more, the
history of the ghost town.
But I mean, some of them werecreepy And some of them also,
you had to actually hike intodeserted areas.
There was many a times where Iwas like, am I in danger?
You had to rethink your lifechoices.
Yeah.
And well, they were really coolfor the photography element of
it.
There were times where I wasstanding in buildings and I
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swore I heard something.
I've had many instances whereI've just felt clear as day as
if you had walked up next to meor behind me.
I remember years ago, decadesago at a job site, we all had
these desks in the back and wewere all therapists, so we just
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had shared space.
And it was like an oldwarehouse, backspace.
I was new, so I didn't knowanything about the space, but I
was back there.
And I could have swore thatsomeone was sitting in the
cubicle behind me the entiretime I thought my colleague was
there, the entire time that Iwas back there typing notes.
So much so that I called outlike, Hey, do you know what I'm
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supposed to put in X, Y, and Zfield?
'cause I was filling out somepaperwork and I was just
learning how to do all thepaperwork, and there was no
response.
So I got up and looked over andnobody was there.
I looked around the room andrealized I was the only person
back there.
And I freaking ran out, ran tothe bathroom, which was on the
other side to get out of thespace.
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And it freaked me out like sobad.
I told my coworker, I said, ohmy God, I thought you were
there.
she's like, no.
I stepped out a while ago to gohave a meeting with this other
person.
And she's like, why did you seesomething or feel something?
And I'm like, why?
What do you know?
Uh, and so she told me thatthere was like a man that
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they've all seen.
Hanging out in that back place.
And they've all had differentexperiences with feeling like
somebody was there.
But some of the people who havebeen there late in the day or
really early in the morningalone have seen him.
And they all described him thesame way.
Oh my God.
That's scary.
Dude.
I did not wanna work.
I never went back there aloneanymore.
I wasn't gonna stay after hours.
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No way.
That's so creepy.
Are you crazy?
No.
And I've worked in a lot ofplaces where there's a lot of
old history and ghost sightingsand ghost stories.
I've lived in a lot of placesthat we've had that, so yeah, I
totally know that feeling.
It's the worst when you're likeconfident that it's a person and
you turn around and there'snobody there.
One thing that I've experienceda few times that I thought, this
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is the day that I lose my mind,I guess.
I've been sitting somewhere,I've been in a building and I've
heard clear as day somebody say,Hey, my eyes got big, my pulse
started to kind of increase.
Because I very clearly heardsomething.
I have had moments where I feltlike somebody was walking behind
me, which is not a good feeling.
That's not a good feeling.
Stalker ghosts are never a goodfeeling.
Stage five.
Clinger Stage five Clingers.
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I'm curious, knowing what wegrew up around and what happened
in the house.
Did you ever share it withpeople?
Did you get more comfortable asyou got older or were you always
open about it?
You mean like did I share itthen when it was happening with
other people?
Oh, yeah, yeah, my friends and Iused to talk about it all the
time.
Like ghost stories and justdifferent experiences.
Everyone had their own stories.
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I talk about it to people ifthey're open to the
conversation.
Really creepy.
We had an aunt that had a dollcollection, like collectibles?
Yeah.
Really expensive dolls.
Right at the base of her stairs.
Toward her front door.
She had this, a China cabinet,but it's all glass.
Mm-hmm.
So you could see through it.
And she had her dolls on displayand it had a little lock on the
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front of the door.
Because they were expensivedolls, so one day me and a
cousin we're spending the nightover at her house and we were
upstairs asleep and we hear thedoor of the thing open, like it
didn't open lightly.
It opened like someone flung itopen made a loud noise, when we
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got up to look to see what itwas, all the dolls were on the
floor.
All the doors were on the floorand all their eyes were open.
That's like a full-on Chuckymoment we looked at our aunt and
she had gotten up and she waslike, don't worry, it happens
all the time.
Oh hell no.
And she basically told us that'slike, I gotta note myself out of
this place.
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She went downstairs, she cleanedthem all up, locked the thing.
I think what she meant to saywas that she forgot to lock it.
I don't think so'cause you know,like.
I think it's easier for us totalk about these things because
it is in our family, I bet youanything, she was like, yeah,
there's a ghost that live here,but she didn't wanna scare you.
So she's like, don't worry, ithappens all the time.
She went and she cleanedeverything up.
She locked them back in thething, and this time she made us
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go sleep in the room with herand locked the door.
And I remember feeling superunsafe from that point on.
So we would go to make tamalesat her house.
I'd be like, no, I'm fine.
I never need to come back hereagain.
Yeah.
Sometimes me and the cousin thatexperienced that and would like
kind of reminisce about it andlaugh'cause I was like,
obviously I didn't reallybelieve that the dolls came to
life in any capacity.
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I just didn't understand whathad happened and then like
trying to reason it, reason withyourself as a child.
Like you're just like, you gotlike a 10 minute window span,
yeah.
It's your creativity kicks inand then also your just sense of
reality to protect you kicks inand like wants to shut down.
Yeah.
We're gonna pretend like thatnever happened kind of thing.
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You think that's one of the mostprofound family ghost stories?
Not for me.
One year, this happened directlyto me.
One of my cousins she had likean upstairs bedroom.
It was a very narrow staircase,but it was encased by two walls.
So when you walked up, it wasjust like you, a couple stairs
and walls.
Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
And then it led you all the wayup to the top, which essentially
was the attic of the house.
But it split into two sides soon one side was one bedroom, the
other side was the other buttheir closets opened up into the
attic of the house.
So when you would go into thecloset, there was a little tiny
crawl space.
And if you crawled through thatcrawl space like we did,'cause
we were curious kids.
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There was a whole other side ofan addict, with boxes of
leftover memorabilia and thingsthat the family before left.
So, on Thanksgiving, everybodywas eating, everybody was loud,
having a good time.
I mean, we're a Latino family,Puerto Rican family, playing a
bunch of music, as we do.
And so I realized I leftsomething upstairs.
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So I went upstairs to go getsomething, and as I was running
up the stairs a big rock, hit mein the back of my leg.
I turned around and all I sawwas the rock falling down.
So I ran back downstairs to seeif it was one of our boy
cousins.
No one was there.
No one was in the housewhatsoever.
Mm-hmm.
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I ran back up the stairsthinking that was really weird,
and felt a little bit of fear,but just like that was strange.
Mm-hmm.
The rock hit me again.
And I ran into the room reallyquickly, ran into the room,
grabbed what I needed to grab,and as I was walking down the
stairs, a rock hit me again.
But this time in the back of thehead, I was a kid and I remember
just being like so afraid.
And I ran to Tio and told him,and he was like, don't worry,
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mija, it's nothing, you're just.
You know, hallucinating.
No worries.
Does you have fever check or didyou ask fever?
Nothing to worry about.
How about you?
I have a lot from like when wegrew up and stuff, of course one
in particular that's coming tomind right now is when my
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partner and I, we used to livein this apartment Uhhuh and it
was like really cheap to livethere.
It was not in a greatneighborhood.
And I always wanted to move outof that place'cause I always
felt.
Like there was a vibe there thatjust didn't quite feel settled.
But he's a healthy skeptic andwas like, no, no, no, no.
It's fine.
Yeah.
And then one day we were, I wasgetting ready, I don't remember
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going somewhere and I wasgetting ready in the room and he
was across the hall in the shop,in the bathroom.
Gonna take a shower.
Yeah.
And I heard clear as day andfelt the warmth of somebody's
breath at my ear, like if youplayfully came up behind me and
said my name.
Mm-hmm.
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And I thought it was him, I likequickly turned around like, stop
it you're scaring me.
and nobody was there.
My heart sank, like sank to theground.
Yeah, that's scary.
And I was like, oh my God.
And so I ran over across thehall to the bathroom and he was
in the shower.
I'm like, did you just come overhere and try to scare me?
And he was, didn't know what Iwas talking about.
And I totally freaked out.
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Literally from that moment on, Iwas on a mission to move.
Can't live here anymore, it'sdone, it's done.
My name was said clear as day.
It was a man's voice.
It was like warm, and thatfreaked me out.
That's really scary.
What about like paranormal stuffthat maybe it's not considered
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paranormal, right?
What about like dreams that feeltoo real?
I have weird dreams like I had adream about dad that we've
talked about.
Before he passed away, rightbefore he passed away.
I was having this very luciddream about him.
That seemed really strange and Ikind of felt like I was dreaming
too.
I was very confused.
About what was happening in thedream.
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And it was very detailed and.
Things that were happening madesense for the most part.
Yeah.
But I was also confused as towhy it was happening.
Okay.
And I kept trying to getclarification from him and he
kept, just kept saying he had togo.
And at the very end of thedream, I felt his mustache on my
face in real life.
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And smelt him.
And in that instant, the phonerang and it was Mitch on the
other line, letting me know thathe had passed.
And we needed to go to thehospital.
And that was probably the mostvivid, ghost related story as it
pertains to like somebodypassing.
Mm-hmm.
Or like having this connectionto, to our loved ones in a dream
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kind of way Yeah.
Because sometimes ghost dreamsor dreams related to ghosts and
things like that.
They're, they're not alwaysscary.
And also like paranormalactivity in your house, like,
it's not always scary.
Yeah.
So for our listeners, we havelost two very close people in
our lives.
Both our father and our middlesister.
And so, we've had a lot, ofexperience with loss.
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And also just family memberspassing away.
Yeah.
We come from giant families,pretty enormous families.
And I think on that topic ofhaving dreams where they're
almost like sending messages.
And it feels like they're very,like they're communicating
something.
I've had a couple dreams of dadand our sister kind of
communicating things to me,particularly when our mother got
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sick.
And was a scary time for us.
They just were like, Hey, it'sgonna be okay.
It's gonna be fine.
And she beat all the odds, whichis pretty wild.
Mm-hmm.
And so I think sometimes thatdoes happen and we are connected
in ways that are unexplainable.
There's some kind of knowing.
And whether it's actually aspirit or.
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A pre-existed person, that's acorrect term.
Someone who has passed, someonewho has passed away.
That's the real question.
Yeah.
Or if it's just a big picturething that we can't really
comprehend.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or is it an imprint of theirenergy or is it, our own
memories that are creating theseexperiences.
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I mean, that's why there is alot of room for healthy
skepticism if we are open to theidea that anything's possible,
then anything can be possible.
True.
And there could be differentexplanations for it, but my
explanation is it's ghosts inthe room.
There's always this kind ofhealthy level of skepticism.
There's a lot of denial, notonly in our family stories, but
our friends family stories andother stories that people have
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told us.
Right.
With superstitions and thesuperstitions are so prevalent
that I feel like I learned earlyon about some of these things,
but didn't know why we weredoing them.
Yeah.
So like you light the candlesfor the ghosts, or you put out a
cup of water if you're havingany kind of activity so that the
ghosts can be able to movethrough the space.
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See, I don't know a lot aboutsuperstitions because when you
said the water thing blew mymind, I was like, wait a minute,
actually, the ant that you toldthe story about.
She used to do that in her housebecause she moved to a new house
and she still had similar ghostissues.
Girl.
Yeah.
It was attached.
That is creepy.
But, or even like ourgrandmothers used to suggest
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things to do to protect theenergy of your home.
Lighting Sage and Palo Santo anddoing things like that, that
felt very ritualistic in someways.
And they always used to usephrases like, don't bring that
negative energy into the house.
Don't let ghost follow you home.
But I do think that's reallyinteresting that a lot of
families and people that we knowwho might be superstitious, but
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also skeptics.
Well, I think skepticism allowsyou to feel a sense of normality
in things that are beyond yourcontrol.
And also, you could get tooinvolved mm-hmm, with something
and something bad could happenand the question of sanity comes
into play.
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Having a healthy dose ofskepticism is essential when
you're dabbling with things thatare not fully understood.
Mm-hmm.
Just to have like a little bitof reason and logic, kind of
just, you know, sprinkle onthere, like a nice little
glitter pie.
A little magical glitter pie,little magic glitter pie.
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What about like, signs from theuniverse?
I know we're talking about ghostcinco stories.
As an owl flies by the window.
There's also this whole otherarea that.
People sometimes talk about oflike the intuitive sign or that
there's signs from the universeor signs from their loved ones
that have passed on.
do you believe in those things?
Do you believe in signs from theuniverse?
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Yes, I have a weird associationand connection with the number
two and four.
It's really interesting andstrange.
I don't know, I have like thisaffinity with both those numbers
or any, and this also could be asign of neurodivergence, any
multiple two and four.
I dunno why.
Have you ever looked it up?
Like at numerology?
No, I haven't you should.
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Sometimes I associate that withlike good luck or like a good
sign I guess.
And I've had, you know, whenAndy first found out she was
gonna have a daughter, I had adream and in the dream we were
on a plane and at this pointAndy was living in a different
state and I was in the state ofCalifornia We were on this plane
and the plane was experiencingreally bad turbulence.
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And I mean like we were gonnacrash turbulence, and she was
panicking, panic panicking.
I was like, it's okay.
We're gonna be fine.
We're gonna be fine.
Why are you freaking out?
And she screamed at the top ofher lungs, I'm pregnant.
And I looked at her and all theturbulence stopped and it was
just like everything juststopped shaking.
Woke up immediately called her.
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I said, are you pregnant?
She said, no, you're crazy.
I fool online.
She did.
I fool online'cause it was tooearly and we weren't sure yet.
But I did know then, and thenlater when I told Mitch that,
yeah, she was right.
Yeah.
And I was pregnant, she waslike, I knew it.
I, the dream was so clear and Ijust knew that it was a sign.
It was a sign, it was like amessage to me that something was
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going on with you.
It was such a real dream.
And I've had that with a fewdifferent, close people in my
life where I'll have some kindof a dream or just a knowing.
It's a weird feeling mm-hmm.
That something is off or wrongthat I need to call and track on
them or, so I think we becomeentangled in some of our closest
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relationships with people.
Mm-hmm.
Distance really isn't a factor.
If you're super intuitive andyou're entangled in their
energy, I don't know how toexplain it better than that.
It's like those stories of liketwins that were separated birth
and then they find each other asadults and realize they lived
like two blocks away from eachother.
Um, I think, I mean, maybe it'squantum entanglement.
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I dunno.
It's definitely something to dowith, there's something there.
The universe and the energy ofit.
How about you?
Do you believe in signs?
Oh yeah.
100%.
Yeah.
I believe in all kinds of signs.
For me, it's a lot of one, oneones.
I see that a lot and I usuallywill see it when I feel like I
need a reassurance of some sort.
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And that comes up a lot.
Nature, so I get a lot of naturesigns, so I'll get like
repetitive.
I'll never see a hawk and thenall of a sudden I'll see a hawk
every day for two weeks in arow.
And like right outside my door.
Where they never are.
There's no nest nearby.
Actually before, one of our big,kind of family transitions at
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the beginning of this year.
Yeah.
I kept seeing a coyote, oh,that's right.
Every morning.
And it would stop.
It was like six, eight feet awayfrom me.
And it would just stop and stareat me.
It was asking itself, is todaythe day?
And I was like, I don't knowwhat to do because I don't know
how okay this is or not.
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But it never did anything.
It was never aggressive.
It just walked by as soon as Icame out, and this is like
different times, it wasn't like.
I was meeting it at its morningwalk or whatever.
All of a sudden it was justthere and staring at me.
That's bizarre.
So I had to start looking it up,like, what does this mean?
But I get a lot of that.
Music is a big one for me.
I wake up a lot with loud musicplaying in my head.
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And so I'll look up the lyricsand somehow it's related, to
things.
And in our family we have a bigmusical connection.
And a lot of things I think arecommunicated, through music,
versus words.
So that's a big one, but yeah,for sure, signs are a big thing.
Like if you notice and payattention.
You'd be surprised.
How many signs do you havearound you?
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Yeah.
And what's interesting is Iactually, when our father
passed, I had just gotten atattoo of an owl for him on my
wrist.
And so I do associate owls withhim.
So it's a little weird.
That one I was like, or like,we've gotten in a car together.
Yeah.
And like all of a sudden a songwill jump on.
To your playlist, that's likereminds us of our dad.
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And we didn't put it on.
It would just kind of show up.
I do truly believe thatsometimes those messages are
there to help guide you anddirect you.
And I'll give you an example.
When I was in grad school, and Ihad to take a break from grad
school for my health.
I took a year off, and it wassuch a chaotic time that I was
contemplating not returning tograd school because I was like
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not feeling like I could do it.
And I could manage.
And so it literally was like mesaying no and telling my
partner, well, if it's meant tobe, then the universe will tell
me.
Yeah.
And I went to grad school in aplace that's like an hour away
from where I worked and lived,um, no connection to any of
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those places.
And I was walking, taking a walkat work down a path.
And I took a back path'cause Iliked to try to keep it quiet.
I wanted to avoid people.
You know, me and small talkwe're not great.
So I was like, I'm gonna takethis back path that nobody ever
takes'cause it's more quiet.
To get to my destination.
And on that path, I kid you notas I'm walking, walking, right
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in front of me.
Like I tripped on it.
There was a magnet for my gradschool.
What are the odds?
What are the freaking odds?
That's weird.
Clear as day, and it was like,don't give up on your dreams,
start today.
And I was like, what?
I literally tried to ignore it.
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I was like, this is ridiculous.
I put it in my pocket, showed itto my partner.
He's like, that's really weird.
He's like, well, there's yoursign.
I'm like, no, no, no.
It's a magnet.
That's just a coincidence.
And he is like, what are theodds?
Like why would it be there?
You trip over it.
And it's exactly your gradprogram saying these words.
And then I'm like, well, I can'tdo it anyways because, um, I
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need help covering my job sothat I can attend the classes
that I need to attend to finish.
And that's not gonna happenbecause we're short staffed and
nobody's gonna do it, blah,blah.
All the excuses, right.
The next day, one of my oldcoworkers asked me about grad
school, and so I share with herkind of where I'm at, what I'm
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going through, and I'm thinking,and she goes, oh, no, no, no.
You don't need to worry aboutit.
I'm going to come and fill infor you on the days that you
need to go to class.
No problem.
Not even an issue.
Wow.
I was like, what?
Yeah.
And she's like, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Don't worry about it.
I already talked to your super,our supervisor, her old
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supervisor, and she's gonna hireme as a temp so I can help.
Holy cow.
So you tell me what yourschedule's gonna be and I'll be
here.
I love that.
And know what that was too.
And that was like, oh, like theuniverse is sending me sign.
Yeah.
And it is responding.
It responded to you.
So in that sense, when thosethings have happened, yeah.
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Like you have to believe in thesigns.
Yeah.
I mean there's sometimes there'sreally clear indications.
Sometimes it is a coincidence,right?
And there's like some littlemoments where you can't deny it.
There's been times where I'vemet someone and they felt so
familiar.
There's only been a handful oftimes where that's happened.
I will not share names, butthere's one particular time
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where I met someone who's stillsomeone I know and I couldn't
shake the feeling like I'veknown him forever.
And it was just the weirdestthing, I went to go, see a band.
He came up to talk to me, and Istarted talking super fast
because once we were talking, Irealized, oh, why is this?
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Like, why am I feeling this?
It's a weird feeling.
I just got really scared of him.
Mm-hmm.
So that's really bizarre.
Sometimes, like intuition justworks in these mysterious ways.
I don't even know how to explainthat.
Yeah, I think that's true.
There's like connections, right?
And I think that speaks to theenergetic part of it.
I also wonder that too, like ifyou, if you're not as much of a
skeptic and you believe inspirits and the universe doing
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work behind the scenes then howmuch of that could be possible
that like people are being putin your path and you're being
nudged, you know, in certaindirections.
I am kind of skeptical aboutthings.
I think, like I'm at odds withit.
Because I know that, wondrous,magical things have happened.
I know that there's been kind ofscary moments that I'm like,
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what the hell is that?
Or what's happening?
And I feel unsafe.
I didn't mention, you know, theghost that I've seen, but I have
seen what resembled a personwalking from a room to another
room.
Well, I was alone in a house andit really freaked me out.
And I thought somebody broke in.
But nobody broke in there's beentimes, was that my house?
No, but your house.
I did see what, look likesomebody The interesting part
(34:00):
about your house is that it'solder.
It's like over a hundred yearsold.
And I think it was walking upinto that part and I saw through
the crevice what looked like Ihad just missed, somebody
walking into the office space.
And it freaked me out.
And it didn't help that when Ihad first gone there, the fire
alarm kept going off for noreason.
Mm-hmm.
(34:20):
Which, no story because thatfire alarm, that we couldn't
explain it, there was no reasonfor it to be going off and.
It just wouldn't stop.
Whatever was in your house orlives in your house, I don't
have any bad feelings from it.
Um, I think they were protectingtheir home.
Mm-hmm.
And I've never felt like indanger, but I think I did feel
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like I was an intruder in theirspace.
And the dogs were there.
Yeah.
Which also like real quick.
Talking about how our animalsthey know can also see things.
Oh, my dog, you even hear, and Idon't know if you feel this, but
it gives me like a sense ofsecurity, too, knowing that my
dog is there.
Yeah.
Because I feel like he wouldreact to something that felt
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unsafe.
In a different way and I wouldnotice it.
So if he's chill, then I'm okaywith it.
Um, my dog he reacts to likeair, you know, so, I wouldn't
know.
I wouldn't know the difference.
He, like, sometimes he does doweird things in this space, but
I feel so warm and cozy in myhouse.
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Like I feel safe in my house.
And, um, I have a little cute,adorable house that I love.
And so I don't really haveanything.
Negative here.
But I can't say that if youstood here by yourself, you
wouldn't feel something.
Because it's like a foreignspace for you.
I definitely think, even thoughall the things that I've
experienced or seen, or theintuition part, right?
I do really believe that myintuition is extremely strong.
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There's been times where I sitwith people and not that I think
I'm a mind reader, please, CIA,don't come for me.
I'm not interested in workingfor you, and I wouldn't be able
to do the job, but there's beentimes where I'm like sitting
next to somebody.
And I'll say something andthey'll look at me dead.
They'll look at me and be like,what the hell?
Because I was just thinking thator I know that happens between
me and you a lot because we'reYeah, you're really close.
(36:09):
We do that a lot to each other.
Yeah.
We'll be like, what are youtalking about?
And the other person will say, Ididn't say anything.
And they're, then we'll respond.
Yeah.
I heard you just say that youwere thinking about eating Thai
food today.
Yeah, and you'll be like, no,but I was totally thinking that.
Yeah.
But with people that are not mysibling.
Yeah.
It still happens.
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And that's a really bizarrething to me.
Like I'll be like, oh, I'll aska question or I'll send a text
message and just something thatI'm thinking about or I see
something and that's funny, youknow, and I'll send it to a
friend or somebody I'm reallyclose to and they'll be like,
that is so fucking weird,because I'm literally doing that
thing right now.
I have one friend that wasalways like out doing active
(36:50):
things, and he's like, you freakme out, one that freaked him
out, I was like, well, I justthought about this restaurant.
I sent him the thing, and thenhe sent a picture and he was
sitting at the table of therestaurant.
Mm-hmm.
And he is like, I just bikedhere and I, I'm scared of you.
And that really speaks to likethe intuitive parts of
ourselves.
Sometimes, the sign is just areminder that we're listening to
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our own intuition.
That we're getting informationthat, you know, gives us answers
to questions we didn't even knowwe had.
I didn't have the question.
I don't need to know the answer,but my brain is like, yeah, we
do.
And also, I think this also kindof plays into intuition, and I
don't know if this is the samecase for you, but for me, I
almost hear the answers to myown question, sometimes.
(37:35):
Mm-hmm.
And I call that my inner knowingI always have a narrator at all
times.
Yeah.
So that's what I call the innerknowing.
Yeah, 100% it is, your innerknowing.
And a lot of people,unfortunately, are very
disconnected from that, youknow?
And that's like really at theheart of a lot of work that I
do.
Is helping people reconnect.
Because like you said, if youcan create the space like you
have for yourself to allow, toreally spend some time getting
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to know yourself and do some ofyour own healing work around all
of that.
That voice becomes louder andclearer and familiar, and you
become more of a person whostarts making decisions from a
place of knowing than from aplace of fear or lack.
I agree with that.
Yeah, 100%.
It is pretty magical and thatstems a lot from like feminine
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energy, which any person.
However you identify can havestrong feminine energy.
So if you're really in touchwith that as well, it just
amplifies that knowing.
Clearly I'm not the only woowooin the family.
You're also woowoo But I knowyou said you are still a little
skeptical about some things.
I think I am openly curiousabout many things and I am aware
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of the grandness of everythingand I practice healthy
skepticism to ensure that I'mnot going insane.
Yeah.
And the other element of that isI have had different people who
have meant a lot to me that wereincredibly skeptic.
Mm-hmm.
And, over the years, I've maybeabsorbed some of that skepticism
and shut off some of the magicalopenness and natural curiosity
(39:12):
and flexibility of my ownidentity.
From being around thepossibilities at such a young
age and having parental figureslike our father who had tooken
us into spaces where people wereallowed to explore what they
believed in, right?
And like, have crystals and burncandles and burn sage and enjoy
(39:35):
the concepts of.
Purifying spaces and meditationand having just this like
general openness and not so muchof a rigid, confined, ideal
system.
Which I think that's what makesit healthy.
Skepticism.
Yeah.
Is having that openness.
Yeah.
I think when you don't have theopenness and you're really close
minded and unwilling to evenconsider possibilities, then
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that becomes toxic skepticismand it becomes.
Narrowing, right?
The other element to religion,and I won't touch on this too
much, is that it eliminates alot of the possibilities of your
own life.
When you.
Assume that the world works onlyone way.
Mm-hmm.
And that people should only beliving in one way.
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And I'll leave it there'cause Idon't wanna go too deep in that.
But I do just think that beingcurious and being flexible and
allowing the unknown to existand for you to not have to know
everything, for you to becomfortable with, knowing that
there's a lot in this universethat we likely will never truly
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understand.
But we can still kind of wonderabout it.
You know?
Yeah.
And you can be a completelygrounded, normal, thoughtful,
brilliant human being and stillbe open and still believe in
things that are, potentiallyunexplainable to many.
Yeah.
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And I like to bring science intoit a lot Then you read it and
then it's more meaningful.
I love that term, and I lovethat ideology behind this idea
of wonder of like, you don'thave to not be a skeptic, but to
be in this curious, open-mindedplace is to explore from this
place of wonder like childrendo.
(41:27):
To tap into that part of it,because then.
Who knows what you might learn,right?
Who knows what you mightexperience for sure.
And what it might open your lifeup to.
A lot of people have thisexpectation, and society has
this expectation that as yougrow older, I, you are not
allowed to wonder or be curiousor be as flexible.
(41:48):
That, that is the mindset of achild, or an adolescent.
Yeah.
And I don't think that's true.
And I think that a lot of thechaos and anger and frustration
that we see in the world is areflection of that rigid, narrow
mindset.
So all the things, ghosts signs.
Intuition, you know, in some waythey serve a purpose.
Even if we don't have all theanswers, it's a beautiful thing
(42:11):
to be able to just tap into aplace of wonder and to explore
that more, even as an adult andto have fun with it.
Share your ghost stories withpeople, connect over it.
Talk about maybe some uniqueunexplainable things that you
wanna share with other people.
It's such a beautifulopportunity to grow and learn.
And you also don't have to haveall the answers.
(42:32):
Maybe you don't even understandwhat you experienced.
But it's okay to have thoseconversations, it's okay to feel
really nervous about sharingthat kind of stuff, right?
Yeah.
Like some of it is like.
What the hell did I just hear orsee or feel, or why do I feel
this way around these people?
Or how come I heard my grandpasinging a song in the bathroom
and he's been dead for 15 years?
(42:54):
Hearing a ghost on your baby'smonitor, which did happen, and
you weren't the only one.
Oh wait, let's just tell thatstory and then we'll wrap it up
because my daughter was a baby.
She was like a year old, maybeless than a year old.
And we were watching a movie andmy partner, myself and Mitch.
And it is nighttime and we havethe monitor and nothing else has
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ever come on that monitor beforebesides her.
And we all heard clear as day awoman's voice talking softly to
a baby.
Yes.
And it was.
So clear that it freaked us out.
We thought someone broke intoour place.
And was trying to kidnap ourchild.
And we jumped.
We all looked at each other inan instant, jumped up.
They immediately got up theroom.
(43:35):
We immediately ran to thebedroom, slammed the door open,
and our baby was asleep.
And there was no one around, noone in the room.
So, you know, I mean, that wasone of the ones, and I think all
of our expressions will be like.
Locked into my mind, like when Idie, that's gonna be one of the
moments that flashes before myeyes.
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That was just one of those, Ithink for me it was such a weird
moment.
It was just too clear.
So it was almost, yeah, unreal.
But the other element was, oh,yeah, yeah, that's it.
This life, isn't it?
There's some things that arebigger than us.
There's something bigger thanthis.
Yeah.
And um.
That baby monitored just likeconfirmed it for me.
(44:20):
We could probably talk aboutthis all night long and maybe
we'll do a part two or threewith New Ghost stories
potentially.
And so if you leave us somemessages with your growth
stories, we might invite you, toshare with us.
But at the end of the day,sometimes the mystery is simply
the magic true, and ghosts arereal.
Maybe, maybe not, but thestories sure are, whether it's a
(44:45):
feeling, a flicker of intuition,or a family ghost lighting up
your hallway.
Some things just can't beexplained, and honestly, we
don't need to explain them.
We just need to keep listening,stay open and share them with
people who just get it.
We'll see you next episodeunless we get visited first.
(45:05):
Bye bye.
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