May 22, 2025 • 50 mins
In this heartfelt and hilarious episode of Andi & Mich, the sisters dive deep into the wild, wonderful world of sibling relationships. With 8+ years between them, they explore what it means to be sisters across generations, whether sibling bonds are cosmic fate or happy accidents, and how sibling dynamics shift in adulthood. From epic childhood stories (like Mitch’s cookie heist in full costume) to a quiz that reveals their inner “sister archetypes,” this episode is packed with laughter, nostalgia, and emotional wisdom.
Expect conversations on chosen family, birth order chaos, deep cosmic connections, and what it means to evolve into teammates in midlife. Whether you’re besties with your siblings or still figuring them out, this episode is for you.
💥 Bonus: Don’t miss the hilarious “Which Sister Are You?” quiz and 10-question rapid-fire segment.
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The Andi and Mich Podcast: Two Sisters, Two Generations, Unique Perspectives, Lots of Laughs
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Hello everybody.
Welcome back to Andy and Mitch,the podcast where two sisters
talk life, love, and laugh atour own jokes.
Quite often today's episode isextra special, we're calling it
"The Power Puff Girls" episodebecause, well, that's the energy
we bring.
We're talking about all thingssibling dynamics.
Were we destined to be sistersor just a happy accident?
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Spoiler.
I think the universe knew whatit was doing.
Get ready for childhoodflashbacks, and some rapid fire
questions that might justsurprise you, let's dive in.
Are siblings destined to besiblings?
Or is it a happy accidentbecause there's something very
unique and special about siblingrelationships that exists in the
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world, and these are sometimessome of your closest, most
trustworthy allies or yourbiggest enemy.
You and I have been siblings ourentire lives.
Yes, we surely have.
And this is Andy, so I'm theoldest.
Yes.
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And Mitch?
Is the youngest.
I'm the baby.
And we are over eight yearsapart.
Yeah.
So there's a pretty big gapbetween us.
So that I think creates a veryinteresting sibling dynamic that
we'll get into a little bit.
But I always find it interestingto know how people's sibling
relationships are.
I will say, having a sister as asibling is a superpower.
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Sisters are by far the bestsibling to have, and it's been
proven.
So research does show that ifyou have a sibling that's a
sister.
Regardless of youridentification and you have a
sibling that's a sister that itactually promotes and improves
your mental health, your abilityto have good relationships, your
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empathy, how much you learn howto trust people because you
learn so much from each other inthat dynamic.
And because women arepowerhouses, I think that makes
perfect sense.
Yeah, for sure.
It's science, y'all.
That's the science that saysthis science.
Do you believe that siblings areborn with a connection or do you
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think it's something that youhave to work on and build up
over time?
I think it's both.
Because often people will saylike, oh, you have siblings, so
you had built in friends.
And if you have a bigger family,like we did, right.
Yeah.
We had a lot of cousins close inage to us at the different
generations that we grew up inwho also kind of became like
pseudo siblings.
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Yeah, they were like our sistersand brothers from other mothers.
I think when you're reallyyoung, you understand it, you
get it.
There's this really like bondedcloseness.
Mm-hmm I will say the one thingis like you love your sibling no
matter what, even if they'rethe, worst sibling in the world,
you still love them and sothat's the one commonality,
obviously biologically there'ssomething that connects us, but
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I think spiritually there'ssomething that connects us too.
Yeah.
What was that quote you readearlier?
I smile because you're mysibling.
I laugh because there's nothingyou can do about it.
Because you don't choose yoursiblings, right?
We're just in the same chaostogether no matter what.
I do think there's something toalso the fact that, sibling
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dynamics ebb and flow.
Like sometimes, you know, let'sbe real, we haven't always
gotten along perfectly.
Right?
And as we've grown up, that hasshifted, but it's ebbed and
flowed.
There have been periods in ourlives where we've been close and
then maybe not as close and thenback together but it does feel
like that it is like that oldfriend.
When I was in my adolescence.
You were already becoming ayoung adult.
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So I think that kind of shiftedmaybe a bit.
But otherwise, we've alwaysgotten along for the most part.
Yeah.
There's this underlying comfortand love in majority of sibling
dynamics.
And I think what's unique aboutus is we're, two of three
daughters.
Our sister passed away when wewere very young.
Mm-hmm.
And so there was this huge gapbetween us, so we didn't have
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that connecting middle child tobond us the entire way.
And sometimes I think that canbe a benefit, but it also can be
a hindrance in the relationshipwhen you're young.
Because you were so small and Iwas already going into teen
years.
Yeah, I mean, when I was little,the beneficial factor of having
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extended family that act aspseudo siblings, when you have
that dynamic, it doesn't feellonely because then you have
like the other folks to kind offill in in those gaps.
I mean eight years is a big gap.
Because it's essentially thegaps that are the most pivotal
trajectory points as you growinto adulthood.
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Mm-hmm.
You may have people in your lifethat are siblings to you, and
they weren't siblings that wereborn into your same family.
Maybe they were chosen siblingsor like we mentioned earlier,
other family members that yougrew up with that really did
become siblings to you.
Yeah for us particularly, we hadcousins that were like pretty
much our siblings.
They became like ourgenerational siblings.
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Yeah.
Really, truly and they saw usthrough some of, you know, the
ebbs and flows of our life.
Yeah, for sure.
And there's your chosen family.
Sometimes if the dynamics areoff or they're like not healthy
for you or straight up, theytreat you horribly.
Sometimes you can find thesechosen family friends, they're
friends, but they develop thatdynamic of siblings.
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Do you think that siblings thatare closer in age have stronger
bonds growing up?
I know a lot of folks who sharetheir sibling dynamics with me,
and they're very close in age.
Sometimes they're just on twopolar opposites of the same
experience.
Like they're at the sametrajectory level, or sometimes
they're a little bit off, onefeels like they're accomplishing
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more, the other one feels likethey're accomplishing less.
There's much more competition inthose ranges.
Yeah.
So I think the dynamic and theexperience is different.
It's interesting'cause usgrowing up with such a big age
gap.
When you say there'scompetition.
We didn't fight over things likethat, like toys or video games
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and stuff because we were in twodifferent eras and interested in
different things.
So there was no competition athome?
No.
I think you probably had morecompetition with our cousins for
things maybe than you had withme.
I don't think I was like, smartenough to know what competition
was that young.
Please.
I know I wanted to be friendswith everyone when I was little.
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I could talk to like a wall.
Then as I got older, I becamevery antisocial.
Yeah.
I agree.
I think the connection piece isthat, it's both.
I think sometimes there's just anatural connection.
That exists and it probably hasa lot to do with personalities
too, and the way people canclick and vibe together.
And then sometimes it'ssomething that siblings need to
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work on.
So that they can learn how to bemore understanding and
empathetic and loving with eachother because the personalities
might clash.
Yeah.
Do you remember the moment youfelt like we were really
connected as siblings?
I definitely felt it as youbecame an older adult, I felt
like this was part of the ebbsand flows of like, oh yeah, I
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actually really like my sister.
Mm-hmm.
And we actually enjoy eachother's company, we laugh a lot
together and, we can have a goodtime hanging out.
But the cosmic powers that be.
I knew that Mitch was cominginto this world before anybody
else knew, before our parentsknew, nobody knew.
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And I used to come home fromschool and lay my head on my
mother's belly.
And she would say, what are youdoing?
And I would tell her I'mlistening to the baby.
And that was the first time myparents thought I had gone
cuckoo baluukoo.
Mm-hmm.
And that I needed a psychiatrist'cause obviously something was
wrong with me.
And they were adamant, like,there is no baby in there.
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And I kept saying, very serious,very matter of fact, like, yeah,
the baby's in here and I'm justlistening to her.
I would do this for days on end,every day I would come home and
I would put my ear to my mom'sbelly and I would listen to you.
And they'd be like, uh, uhoh,here she goes again.
Like, oh no, she's.
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And I was getting really upsetand I'm like, I don't understand
what you're saying.
The baby is in there, I can hearher.
I'm listening to the baby.
And I started talking to you.
And that's when they reallythought I lost it.
Then at some point mom went tothe doctor and found out that in
fact I was correct.
And she was pregnant with you.
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And it was a big shocker.
It was a surprise.
'cause you were not planned.
Yeah.
And in fact our mother was onbirth control and I was a fluke,
or magic.
And then they kept saying thatyou were gonna be a boy.
And I was like, no, it's a girl'cause I listened to her and I
talked to her and it's a girl.
And they were like, wow, youreally tripping over this, but
there was some sort ofconnection, like how as a child
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did I even know?
Well, they say like,biologically your siblings are
like a certain percentage ofyou.
Or we're from the same star seedsomewhere out in the universe
and I recognized your, we werelike old, old friends like
beaches, oh my God.
You better buckle up buttercup,because this is gonna be a wild
ride.
And I indeed buckled up.
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And it indeed was a wild ride.
There is some like weirdconnection that we have.
Starting from when you were inutero to dreams.
Yeah.
We've had a lot of dreams wherewe'll know if like somebody's in
trouble, somebody's having ahard time, someone's having a
baby, not me.
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Or even like sometimes where youjust don't feel good all of a
sudden I'll just feel reallyanxious or upset about something
for no reason.
And I'm like, whoa, why do Ifeel like this?
And then you'll text me like twominutes later.
Whatever past life we were in orcelestial realm, we're like,
yeah, let's pick that one.
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Hey, let's go together.
Yeah, let's do it.
Maybe in a past life we weretwins probably.
That would be weird.
That would be weird.
You know, technically, I alwaysshow up late to things.
Technically yes, like factually.
So I was gonna say like, if thatwas the case and like in, in the
universe, we were like, we'llpick that one.
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Then you showed up late to thisone, that's why you were a
surprise.
Eight years late.
And that's how you knew I washere and I was a girl.
You were in a celestial realm.
You were like, oh shit, Iforgot.
Yeah, that actually would make alot of sense.
You're like the worst with time.
Talk about being on Latino time,my god.
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I don't know what math you useto calculate time.
Me and my musician friends havemade a joke, which is not really
a joke.
It's just a fact always tellMitch that you're gonna show up
30 minutes earlier than youactually are.
So she will only be an hourlate.
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Oh, my favorite thing was onetime I had told a boss.
I was feeling really inspired tobe my best self that week.
Okay.
I was reading a self-help book.
I was reading a lot of mantrasthe whole night, love, and then
I told the boss, yeah, this yearI'm really gonna focus on being
on time.
Cause I have just reestablishedthe concept that being on time,
time is a form of respect towhat I'm doing and the people
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that I'm doing it with.
Mm-hmm.
And she's like.
Oh yeah, that's great.
And I said, yeah.
And then I proceeded to be lateevery day for an entire year.
You're like, oh, but not foryou.
At some point, she just laughedit off'cause she was like, your
output is really great.
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You just really need to be ontime.
And then finally she was like,this is just who you are.
Yeah, it's, it's just ingrainedin your DNA.
I'll say that we did notice ashift in that you are trying to
be on time.
Like 30 minutes versus like fourhours late.
I think that's, that's when youknow, I like you as a person.
The other day, you were like,I'm ready.
I'm alive, and I show up and youwere in the shower.
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I was just letting you know thatI was alive.
That's the big sister, littlesister vibe right there.
Not a care in the world, not afreaking care in the world.
Here I am falling apart.
I haven't even had coffee yet.
But we established if I'm lessthan an hour late, I really care
about you as a person.
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Andy saw probably the funniestthings because I was outta
control and she had to be likethe parental figure sometimes.
Yes.
Did you have any moment whereyou felt like you were really
connected to me as my sister?
I mean, I feel like I was alwayspretty connected to you, even
when we didn't really get alongfor that brief of time.
I think there was always thatgap because of the age thing.
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And then it like fully clicked,my mid, late twenties.
That's when like it fullyclicked and I was like, oh,
that's my sister.
She finally knew who I was.
I finally recognized her inpublic.
But when we were little, Ialways admired, I always looked
up to you.
Aw.
And then I went into like myadolescent phase and I was like
real punk rock.
Very much like the big sisterthat was motherly.
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So like, I would walk you toschool, I would pick you up from
school, I would make you a snackwhen you got home.
Yeah.
I think it's when you went tocollege that everything kind of
shifted.
Yeah.
I moved away to college.
And that's normal and that'snatural.
Because I feel as kids, I don'tthink we really fought all that
much.
No.
I think the most was more justlike your little kid energy
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annoying my teen energy.
For sure because you haddifferent teen stuff that you
would do sometimes.
And I would be like"Hey, youwanna hang out" or you would
come and like, sing to myfriends.
Oh my God, I'll never forgetthat.
So Andy was in choir.
And I went to go with my mom todrop her off and I was very
little, eight years youngerobviously.
And she was like, okay, bye.
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And I was like, you guys wannahear me sing The Little Mermaid
song?
Like just fully committed.
But my favorite was, when youbecame obsessed with singing the
"I Will Always Love You" WhitneyHouston song.
I was really obsessed with thatsong.
And you would sing it literallyeverywhere to everyone.
But listen, y'all, it was like afull commitment.
It was like, this is my song.
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This is my concert right now.
And you're a guest.
Yeah, and you will respect theprocess.
You're welcome.
So it was like this little7-year-old child belting out, I
will always love you toeverybody, which is hilarious.
It's true.
I mean, siblings are the onlyones who can love you and roast
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you in the same breath.
Yeah.
And I was very committed to allof the shenanigans that I did.
I didn't know that you didn'thave to pay for things when
you'd go into stores and we usedlive near this store.
That is a memory that alwaysmakes me laugh, I will never
forget it.
We used to live next door to alittle market slash liquor
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store.
Nick's, what was it?
Frank and Nicks.
So we could just walk over.
And get bread, eggs, kind ofbasic markety stuff from this
little market.
We were also very close to theowners.
They were like an Italianfamily, they were wonderful and
so kind and caring.
They really just saw us grow up.
They really did for so manyyears.
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But one day, this is how wereally understood that we had to
clock, Mitch, on a regular basis'cause she would just take off
and do her own thing.
I just remember getting home andthen my mom saying, I can't find
her anywhere, I don't know whereshe is.
And so we start looking for herall over.
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We're looking in the house, wethink maybe she's hiding, like
playing hide and seek orsomething.
And we can't find her, we gooutside, we're like running up
the driveway screaming her name.
And at this point my mom isgetting super panicked'cause
she's thinking the worst.
That like somebody kidnapped herand you know.
So we walk up the driveway, aswe're turning the corner, low
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and behold, what do we see?
We see little tiny baby Mitch inmy mother's clothes, oversized
adult dress.
In her shoes.
You know how children wear adultshoes and they just clickity
clack, in her shoes, herclothes, and had makeup all over
her face that was not put oncorrectly.
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She looked like a little clownin adult clothes carrying a bag
of cookies.
Eating them.
Eating them.
Yeah.
Nonchalant, like no big deal.
She saw us turn the corner andshe got startled'cause she
realized she got caught going toget cookies with by herself And
we had to like turn around andlaugh where Mitch couldn't see
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us.
Because it was like the funniestthing we've ever seen.
I was like, is this a Saturdaynight live skit?
It's probably why I have such anaffinity for ET.
I don't even know thatconnection.
For ET they dress'em up.
Oh yeah that's what it.
And then we're like.
Where did you get these cookiesfrom?
And she's like, from the store,so my mom's scolds her, we take
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her home.
We come to find out that becauseshe was so little, when she
would go in the store, she wouldset off the bell but they
couldn't see her over thecounter.
So they thought it was like someneighborhood stray cat that kept
trying to come in the store.
And the whole time it was yougoing into steal cookies and you
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knew exactly where they were.
And you'd b-line it to the snackaisle, get your cookies and walk
out.
And so when they would go tolook, nobody would be there, you
were like in and out reallyfast.
But the best part of this storyis that, this says so much about
your personality.
Like you didn't just go getcookies, you got dressed up in
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costume.
I was committed to the skit.
So no one could recognize thatyou were a child and you put
makeup on.
Like the commitment to thiswhole endeavor blew me away.
Like just blew me away.
Yeah.
I mean that's, I told you Ishould do improv.
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The drama.
Yeah.
Like the level of drama andintricate planning and in your
little brain, like your littlechild brain.
Because you were like maybekindergarten age, you thought
through the whole thing, whatare the possible roadblocks to
me getting my cookies?
If I look like my mother,they're not even gonna question
me.
I might be shorter, but I'm inher dress and her shoes.
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Oh my God.
Yeah.
I was really committed.
I have other funny ones, butthat one just every single time
and I can remember like aperfect image of you coming
around the corner with thosecookies.
And I was thinking that you werelike kidnapped.
And I was just having the timeof my life.
I was obsessed with cookies.
I still am.
You still are.
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You are very much a cookiemonster.
1000%.
We were both very intelligentchildren that made maybe
people's lives a little moredifficult.
'cause we were also both veryindependent.
Yeah.
Children, we were, we werewildly independent, very funny
and wonderful.
We were the best kids like ever.
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Because I was probably aboutyour same age when I dipped out
of my preschool class.
What?
See, so it runs in the family.
I've never heard you.
My daughter did this too.
Did she really?
Yeah.
Oh, that's kind of funny.
Our parents were very young whenthey had me.
And so, there was a program on acollege campus and it had like
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daycare stuff that was like alot of services for young
families.
And so we were enrolled in thatand so my classroom was like a
preschool, like the year beforekindergarten.
Oh, like Head start?
Yeah, like head start.
Okay.
And so I was in the Head Startclass, and then our mom and our
sister were in a different classthat was like across this huge
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courtyard.
On a college campus.
And I didn't like that headstart class.
I didn't like the teachers.
I didn't like being there.
I would get really upset whenthey would make me go there.
One day during break time, Idecided I was done.
And I apparently mapped it out,I timed it perfectly.
I got my backpack and I walkedout and I walked across the
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campus by myself with my littlebackpack.
Oh my gosh.
To the other classroom acrossthis huge courtyard, to go look
for mom.
I walked into the classroom andanother teacher was there who
had similar hair to mom and so Iwent up to her and she turned
around.
It was a mom.
And at that moment I got scared'cause I thought, oh, I got
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lost.
I actually didn't go to theright place.
But mom was in that room, but onthe other side.
Okay.
And then all of a sudden I hearis that you whatcha doing here?
I got in so much trouble.
And you're like, what do youmean?
I told him, if you take me back,I'm gonna leave again.
Oh my God.
And of course like dad went andlike flipped out on the
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teachers, like, why was nobodywatching me?
How did I get out?
Like this is unheard of.
Yeah.
But I never had to go back.
Well, yeah.
Hilarious.
Scary for her.
Hilarious for me.
It just goes to show that youwere, you were born
strong-willed.
You were born, you were born.
An independent thinker.
But I think that's something wehave in common.
But you're very much like, Idon't wanna say not treat
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driven, but like.
No, for sure, look at my dog.
We're both treat driven.
Are you kidding me?
Can you make me a flyer?
Mm, i'll buy you coffee.
Absolutely, I made it already.
Yeah.
When there's like a bonus orsomething that you are gonna get
out of it.
Yeah.
Then you're very like, I'm onit, i've got 10 plans, I have
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different ways to get to thatthing Yes but it's not really
monetary, like it's not moneybased, it's, definitely treat
based like a gift or a prize or?
No, like a baked good.
Only my closest people or peoplewho I work closely with know
that if they give me a bakedgood or a cup of iced coffee.
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I will help them.
Well, I think these are bothmemories that perfectly capture
our personalities as children.
Yeah.
And apparently as adults too.
What's your favorite game thatwe played as kids?
Or favorite game that youplayed?
'cause we had such a big gap.
I don't know.
I mean in my generation weplayed with rocks and sticks and
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so we, we had this big tree, atthe house before you were born
and so I would climb the tree.
I would play on like this crazyvery dangerous metal
merry-go-round that we'd spinourselves on super fast and then
fly off of it.
We would just make up games.
I had that too when I waslittle, the internet didn't
really come into our householduntil I was like 12.
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We we lived in an area that hada lot of wood, and so I would
actually climb on the wood, andI would pretend that I was going
on a ship Voyage and then Iwould climb on the trees.
I used to do this very weirdthing when I was a kid, that was
like my favorite game to play, Ican't believe I'm gonna say this
on the podcast.
Hang on.
I'm thinking about it.
Okay, one of my favorite gamesto play by myself was I would
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pretend to run and roll on thegrass, like a ninja assassin.
And I would pretend to run androll at high speeds.
And the objective was to jumpback up and be okay.
So just imagine me throwingmyself repeatedly over and over
again in the grass.
It's like we were, it's like wewere only children, but we
weren't.
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Yeah.
That's really what it was.
We were just doing weird thingsas if we were the only children
because we kind of were in aweird way'cause of the age gap.
But I think you were much moresocial.
I was.
I was very quiet and veryreserved.
One of our uncles has a storyabout me that when he first met
me, he is like, I remember whenI first met you, you wouldn't
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stop talking.
And at first I was like, she'sso adorable and then you
wouldn't stop, you kept askingme all these questions and I
remember looking at your mom andsaying, is she okay?
And it's like, yeah.
That's just her personality, itwas one of those like, uh oh, if
you flip the on switch, youcan't turn it off, she's not
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gonna stop.
She's like, cool, somebody wantsto talk with me all day long
about random stuff.
And you had no problem talkingto strangers.
There's a, character fromdespicable me, the little girl,
where she's like, good morning,sun.
There's multiple people thathave told me.
She reminds me of you.
And one of our male cousins islike, you know, joy from inside
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out.
I was like, yeah.
He's like, yeah, yeah, that'syou.
And I was like, really?
I feel like sadness.
Like well that's justperimenopause.
That's just adulthood, that'sbeing an adult woman.
Adult adulthood will kick joyright out there ba.
That's true actually.
And we used to have bunk bedsand then we had like a big bed.
And when you were really, reallysmall, we used to share a bed
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because we didn't have a lotgrowing up, all the kids would
share a room.
But you used to get up and youtalked so much that you talked
in your sleep, you would wake upand like I used to think
sometimes it was cute until itwouldn't stop till it would be
like four in the morning and I'dbe like, Mitch, stop talking.
But you would sit up and youwould go and then pass out and
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you would like.
Move the entire night.
Like you would wake up in acomplete opposite direction
position.
I fell off that bed so manytimes'cause you would push me
off'cause you would be layingweird at a weird angle and then
you'd feel me and then you'dpush me off.
It's'cause I was reallyfreakishly strong as a small
child.
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Yeah you had so much energy.
I remember that.
I remember that too.
And you were just really, reallycreative.
Like, I remember you would dolike a lot of musicals, I just
remember you singing all thetime.
When you became a teenager, Isaw you a little bit, but you
were really focused on yourclasses and I was still a kid
then, so that's when like thelittle bit of a big gap came.
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And then I was in the streetswith my, with my kid gang.
Yeah.
We were, we thought we were thetoughest, roughest.
We had two neighbors growing,well, we've had a couple
neighbors growing up, but twoneighbors were twins.
And we used to call ourselvesthe Three Musketeers.
Mm-hmm.
And we used to pretend we werethe Ninja Turtles.
Yes.
All the time.
And that's, and that's kind ofwhen I became very boyish.
(26:47):
You were a ninja assassin too?
That's when I was a ninjaassassin too.
So when I first saw like thatninja warrior show, I was like,
whatever.
I've been doing that since I wasa kid.
Parkour, parkour, just like,wait, did you invent parkour?
I think I did by the carport.
Just rolling off pile of wood.
I remember feeling veryoverprotective of you when you
were really small before I wentaway to college.
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And if little kids were mean toyou, I would secretly, do
something to scare them so thatthey wouldn't be mean to you
again.
This was the John Wick?
Yeah.
This is the, this is the JohnWick of Andy.
It's a very psychologicalthriller.
Look me in the eyes, come at mysister like that again.
Let's talk about how siblingdynamics have changed into
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adulthood.
You go from, she stole my hoodieto, can I borrow your trauma
processing skills, please.
Yeah, I think as you get older,you do start to learn and
appreciate how valuable ourshared history really is.
Because at the end of the day,even though, we were so far
(27:54):
apart and we were part of twodifferent generational
experiences, and we had twodifferent versions of our
parents and we have the sameparents.
Our childhood experiences werevery different from each other.
Yeah.
And I think as adults though,that really bonds us at the same
time because it's like we arethe only two who fully
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understand, what that experiencewas.
Even though our, the specificsof the nuances of our, our
upbringing, our childhoods are alittle different.
We understand it.
And it's really interestingbecause like we, even as
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siblings, there's a resiliencein the two of us that we have as
siblings that a lot don't have.
Yeah.
I mean, listen y'all, it's amiracle that we made it out and
made it into adulthood to likebe real functioning adults.
Yeah.
And actually like joyful goodpeople.
(28:58):
Maybe one day we'll do anepisode about that and dive a
little bit in, but it ain'tgonna be today.
Also, we've become much morelike teammates, team Powerpuff
girls.
Which honestly I do love.
One thing I appreciate about ourdynamic is that we've tried to
protect each other as much aspossible.
In terms of like seeing like thebrightness and the joy and the
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laughter.
It is nice to know that you havesomeone who has your back.
Yeah.
Right.
And someone that you can turn toor you just wanna go get ice
cream event on a rainy day orvent.
And older siblings sometimeshave to walk through the thick
of it so that the youngersiblings can run through it.
(29:39):
That's right a couple years agowe had a really deep
conversation.
When we went on a littlevacation and we ended up
comparing our stories and wewere like, oh shit, we should
write a book.
We'd spent like a week togetherwe just had an opportunity to
just talk about differentexperiences and just really get
to know each other more asadults.
Which I think really changed thegame.
It did.
(29:59):
I think it did.
I think the dynamic absolutelychanges for siblings as you grow
older.
Because when you're youngerright, you're either like in
competition, if you're reallyclose in age.
If you're spread apart like weare, it was more like parental
figure and child dynamics.
But as adults, it's like, now itis more, a deeper friendship
(30:20):
based and there's still thesibling dynamic there but it's
like evolved.
That's a good term.
Yeah.
It definitely has evolved overtime into a beautiful,
beautiful.
A beautiful love story.
What do we wish more people knewabout sibling relationships in
midlife?
I think in midlife, having theunderstanding and the compassion
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for the fact that as siblings,you both were just trying to
grow up and survive in the worldand figure it out.
And not take all of that in sucha personal way into your midlife
relationship that you'recreating with your siblings.
If you're both invested and bothparties have to be invested and
willing to grow together andspend time together and really
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genuinely be a part of eachother's lives.
Because I know a lot of siblingswho like generally care about
each other, but they're notinvested in being part of each
other's lives intentionally.
Like they're so busy.
It's like, oh, I never see mysibling because I'm just too
busy.
Yeah, and sometimes distanceplays a factor too.
Yeah.
Or they live across the world oracross the country from each
other.
(31:30):
But I think when you can get tothat place, it blossoms into
this really cool relationshipthat just continues to benefit
you both.
You know, I feel like with us,we become one of each other's
biggest cheerleaders.
And I will say, I think thebiggest lesson that I've learned
as our sibling relationship hasevolved into adulthood is that
(31:53):
you have to sit down with yoursibling and have those
conversations.
Us having really open, honestconversations and sharing so
many things about ourexperiences.
Really helped to solidify thebond.
Yeah.
Sometimes people lose sight ofthe fact that our siblings are
human.
Yeah.
And like we forget that becausewe're like, we are so closely
(32:17):
tied to this concept of thembeing our sibling.
And so we forget that they arehumans who are evolving and
learning who they are and goingthrough the ebbs and flows of
their journey and theirexistence.
And sometimes we can take thingsto spaces that it doesn't really
need to go.
Mm-hmm.
So it's like we forget that wehave to be a little bit more,
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like you said, compassionate,caring, considerate of them and
their experiences.
And maybe we don't understand'emfully, but we can, kind of
approach it with grace becausewe want what's best for them.
If you can evolve together andcome together and continue to
grow together and be in eachother's lives That's a kick ass
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experience that you don't wannamiss out on.
Yeah.
And psychologists also suggestthat strong sibling closeness
often doesn't peak until yourlate twenties to forties range.
Yeah, it makes sense.
So if you are in that youngerera of your life and you feel
really disconnected from yoursiblings, it's never too late to
try to have a healthy bond orhealthy relationship.
(33:21):
Or if you're really close toyour siblings now, like keep
nurturing that relationship.
We, we touched on this rightnow.
So I I wanna do a little quizthat chat, GPT created, we're
gonna call chat.
GPT homie BT, you gottapronounce it.
GPT Oh my God.
I need more coffee.
This is the other part that wedidn't, that I wanna add,
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finding things that you do havein common with your sibling
because me and my sister getreal delirious and we think
we're the funniest people on theplanet.
Think! We laugh at some of thestupidest stuff and we think
it's hilarious.
Like we're almost PR our pantstogether, we're laughing so
much.
I've seen SNL skits that werebased on things that we
(34:05):
invented, so.
All right, so we're gonna do alittle quiz because based on
birth order, I think there are alot of assumptions.
Which I would say most are true.
I think as an older sibling, Idefinitely have a lot of those
oldest daughter,characteristics, especially in a
Latino family.
Mm-hmm, I don't know what theyare, so me saying mm-hmm doesn't
matter.
(34:26):
It's like the hyper responsible,stubborn, usually very success
focused.
And then the younger siblingsare super wild child, I make my
own rules, when I was a youngadult, I used to jump into
unmarked vans and go toundisclosed locations to party.
So yeah, you were definitely amuch more wild teenager.
(34:48):
Sometimes I watch Schitt'sCreek.
Yeah.
And then I'm like, Alexis and Ihave a bond.
She's like, I'm pretty sure Iwas sold to somebody at some
point.
And he's like, ex what?
And I am David, all the facesexist.
That's me.
And in my repertoire, yes.
Well, we can laugh and have fun,you know?
We can have fun in lifetogether.
And that.
That's a big deal, especially asadults.
(35:09):
Okay.
So which sister are you?
We're gonna go through thesequestions.
I'm gonna read them out loud.
There's only, five of them.
Do I have to do math?
Well you have to keep track ofyour answers.
Oh, because you'll have totelly.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Am I boring you?
I feel like as adults we cancall each other out much more
easily and not take of offenseto it.
Yeah.
And it's not offensive.
(35:30):
It's not.
As young children, we would getannoyed with each other because
we take it very personal.
And now as adults we're like,get your shit together.
Yeah.
Get your shit together.
Because we know that it's comingfrom such a loving, supportive
place.
I dunno.
I think we just builtunderstanding our level of
sarcasm is outta control.
It's like next level.
Yeah.
(35:50):
Okay.
This is the quiz.
Which sister are you?
We have to answer thesequestions and tally our most
frequent letter response.
To determine which sister weare.
Okay.
Number one.
It's Saturday morning.
What are you doing?
A.) already meal prepping andlistening to a podcast.
B.) still in bed, scrollingmemes and ignoring texts.
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C.) out shopping with an icedcoffee in hand.
D.) Journaling, meditating, andtexting your group chat about a
weird dream.
Number two.
Your sister just stole yourfavorite sweater.
Again, you (36:28):
A.) Lecture her about boundaries, then fold it
back neatly in your closet.
B.) hide all your clothes out ofrevenge.
C.) Post a selfie in her sweaterand tag her D.) Write a strongly
worded journal entry and thenforgive her.
Three.
Your group text style is (36:48):
A.) all logistics, no fluff planning
mode on B.) Voice notes andchaotic energy, always.
C.) Reaction, emojis, memes andphotos.
D.) Occasional deep thoughts ora screenshot of your astrology
app.
(37:08):
Four.
Your go-to sibling phrase is ABe responsible, be yolo: C,
let's take a pick first or D,let's unpack that emotionally.
I literally have heard you saythat.
That's actually funny.
Uh, okay.
Number five.
(37:29):
Your childhood role in thesibling crew: A.) The bossy one
with color coded binders.
B.) The wild card somehow alwaysgrounded.
C.) The cool one, best dressedby age 10 or D.) The wise one,
aka baby therapist.
Okay.
Results time.
So what do you have most of?
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Three B's.
So you're mostly B?
Yeah.
You're the chaos queen sisteryou bring the drama, the laughs
and the unpredictable spice,your everyone's favorite wild
card.
You may have been grounded a lotgrowing up, but hey, you have
the best stories now.
Aw, that's so sweet.
(38:11):
Aw, I love it.
I got mostly D, although it's alittle chaotic, so I think I'm
confused about what story, butmostly D is the soul sister,
deep, thoughtful, and alwaysthree books into your healing
journey.
You're the one your siblingscall when they need advice, a
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tarot pool, or a reminder thatthey're a cosmic queen.
You're basically sage in humanform.
This is true.
Aw, I like that.
So that's us.
And then there's mostly a's,which are the CEO sister so if
you clocked mostly a's you wereborn to lead your siblings, your
group chat, your life, you'reorganized, protective, and the
(38:53):
one who probably filled out allof your sister's FAFSA forms.
You're basically their secondmom, but you make it chic.
Then mostly Cs is the glam sis,stylish social and a little
extra in the best way.
You love a selfie, a sale, and agood time.
You were the first to get askincare routine and convince
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your sister to try a TikToktrend.
So those are the four differentones.
I like the fact that we wereliterally just talking about the
fact that I, relate to Alexisfrom Schitt's Creek, and then I
got the Chaos sister.
That's weird, that reallyclocked us.
In five questions.
You can pause and rewind if youwanna take that quiz for
yourself.
I will also link something inthe show notes if you want to,
(39:37):
get your fave sis or yourbestie, who is like a sister to
you, and take the quiz.
Brothers, you're not allowed andyou're not welcome to take
quizzes.
Just kidding.
Depends on your dynamic, withyour brother though.
You could take the sister quiztoo, find out which spicy sister
you are.
Find out.
Now we know I'm the soul sister.
You're the chaos sister.
(39:58):
Yeah, that makes sense.
So let's jump into some rapidfire.
We each get 10 rapid firequestions.
No thinking, just answering.
Let's see what comes up.
Can we call his sister?
Sister because sister, sisterdidn't know how much I missed
you.
Are you ready, Andy?
I think so.
Number one (40:17):
What's making you laugh and smile this week?
Wrong.
Too slow.
Eh?
I failed.
I love a good, fun, funnypodcast, which is why I love
what we're doing and the workwe're doing.
I'm really in, into Amy PO'sstuff that she's been posting.
It's been making me laugh likecrazy.
And, silly animal videos, wherelike, you ask your dogs funny
(40:41):
questions and their like facesand their facial responses it's
like, I've seen this been doglike 12 times and it still makes
me laugh.
Favorite way to waste time?
Laying in bed, scrolling.
Something people may besurprised to know about you?
That I am actually a homebody.
Yeah, she's not at the club ornothing.
I'm not up at the club, no, notanymore.
(41:03):
I'm definitely a homebody.
What was your childhood dreamjob?
Singer Current Go-to comfortshow: I love Ted Lasso, I've
been watching New Girl'causethat, oh, that also for number
one, makes me laugh.
New Girl makes me laugh.
And like old ones like Big BangTheory and Friends and things
like that.
Those are all good, by the way.
(41:24):
What's a scent that instantlybrings you back to your
childhood?
Strawberries.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, funny.
You just found that strawberryshortcake shirt.
What's your go-to karaoke song?
The first one that comes to mindis I Will Survive.
You know what's weird?
I literally thought that I, youthought that, oh my God.
I thought that in my head, notfor me, but I thought that you
(41:46):
were gonna say that.
A personality trait of mine thatdrives you a little nuts.
When you mumble to yourself andyou think you're having a
conversation with me and Icannot hear or understand
anything that you're saying.
Oh my God, that's funny.
Something you admire about me.
Your creativity.
And you have this really bigheart, but you're very
(42:06):
protective of it.
Oh, that's very sweet.
What's one thing you hope we'restill doing in 20 years?
Laughing.
Aw, that's so cute.
Aw, I'm so good at this.
You're so good at it.
All right.
What's making you laugh andsmile this week?
My dog.
Favorite way to waste time?
Eating.
(42:27):
That's a good one.
Something people may besurprised to know about you.
I am actually pretty nice withRBF.
If you don't know what thatmeans, look it up.
What was your childhood dreamjob?
To be an actress.
Go to comfort show (42:45):
The last of us.
That's depresso espresso, forsure.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
I like Emily in Paris.
I like the last of us and I likeshrinking.
Those are your comfort shows.
What's a scent that instantlybrings you back to your
childhood?
Sandalwood.
Oh, I was gonna say vanilla.
(43:05):
What's your go-to karaoke song?
My Heart Will Go On.
I see a theme here.
A personality trait of mind thatdrives you a little nuts.
Sometimes when I'm talking toyou and you're over the
conversation, you just like,check out.
You're just gone.
It's like you go offline andI'll be like Andy.
(43:26):
And you'll be like, what?
You're like, you know, we'rehaving a conversation, right?
Something you admire about me.
You're incredibly driven, you'rea great leader and you deeply
care about others.
(43:46):
What's one thing you hope we'restill doing together in 20
years?
Laughing until we almost pee.
Alright but here's the twist,Mitch.
Okay.
You get to ask me one deep,unexpected question and anything
goes, and I'll do the same.
When in your life did you feelthe most lost?
And how did you find your wayback?
Whoa.
Pass.
(44:07):
Oh, that's tough.
It makes me actually feelemotional, that's funny.
I think there was a point in mylife, and this was a very
pivotal turning point.
I was in my early thirties.
I was working young mom tryingto finish grad school, and I was
(44:29):
just like burnt at both ends.
And then I got really sick,unexpectedly.
Like it was like a curve ball oflike being diagnosed with cancer
and that being really scary.
I think I felt very, very lostbecause I didn't know how to
process all of that.
(44:49):
I felt very confused about wheremy priorities were, who I was,
my role as a mother, and just somany feelings about life and
everything happening all at onetime.
Mm-hmm.
And it took me years to workthrough that years and probably
still working through right jobto be honest.
I started to find my way once Istarted to release expectations,
(45:17):
when I started to really justlet go and cut through the noise
and just really listen and honein.
To the things that felt mostimportant to me.
That's when I started to like,hear my own voice again and feel
like, okay, we're back on track,we found the path.
And now we just need to keepdoing and see, you know, kind of
(45:38):
where we go.
And honestly, my child is like alittle wise soul and I feel like
she said things to me, that I'mnot gonna share because they're
very personal.
But, that kind of like, it waslike a whoa, snap me out of it
moment.
That's really beautiful.
Thank you.
I personally know your childvery well, so I know that to be
very true.
Yeah.
Her, she, she's like, we talkabout being each other's
(45:59):
therapist, but she's like thetherapist for everybody.
She's like the whole familytherapist.
She's like a little oracle.
Like you're not even asking herand all of a sudden she drops
some wisdom on you and you'relike.
Whoa.
Kids are wise, you know, if youlisten to them, it's amazing.
Okay, so now my turn right?
Nope.
What do you think is the legacywe're building as sisters and
(46:22):
what is the legacy you wannabuild for yourself?
Oh, I do know this, hang on.
It's not online.
It's on something that I postedthe other time on my Instagram.
I saw this thing online and itreally did like strike me.
And it's like you are the womanyour ancestors prayed for.
They dreamed of you, a womanfree enough to speak her truth,
(46:42):
soft enough to fill her heartand powerful enough to break
every, curse that they couldn't.
Ooh, mic drop.
And I really truly believe thatthat is the legacy we're
leaving.
And I mean, that's a legacywe're building as sisters.
We're breaking so many ancestraltraumas, bad choices, paths,
patterns.
(47:02):
So I'm really proud of usbecause, oh, I'm proud of us
too.
Like I've had friends that havelike known little bits about the
life that we have lived through.
And, they're always kind of inshock.
I think that's another thingabout sibling dynamic is like
they are, like Andy saidearlier, the only other person
on the earth that has a clue,which you've been through, down
(47:24):
to the details, right?
And so I've, I've shared littlebits of our journey, with
friends, and they've looked atme lost for words.
Like, what do you mean?
What do you mean you're such alight, bubbly person?
Like, how did that even happen?
And when we look at thestatistics in some of the
research that I've done atdifferent classes.
We are 100% against the odds.
(47:46):
Mm-hmm.
And there's two of us that areagainst the odds.
And there's something to be saidin that, and we're both like two
little starlights that walkedthrough darkness together.
Yeah.
Look at us now.
Shining bright.
Like a diamond.
I love that.
For us, yeah.
For a legacy that I wanna leavefor myself, I definitely wanna
be able to cook the best cookiein the world.
(48:07):
That's probably like yoursecret, dream business.
Yeah.
To like, if I could at somepoint own a bakery, but be like
a faceless bakery, like nobodyknows that I own it, but
everybody wants the cookies.
That would be great.
I don't wanna bake'em either.
I just, I just wanna fund it.
I think that we, I don't wannabe in the kitchen at all.
(48:30):
I just wanna find the people whobake the cookies.
Am I becoming a shark?
I think so.
There you go.
That's your legacy.
I'm joking.
I think my legacy would be justto.
To be proud of the person I am,at the end of this life.
And to potentially open manydoors for people who are similar
(48:51):
to us.
That maybe didn't have, youknow, the avenues where, we
really had to bear knuckle ourway through this life.
And so I wanna be a door openerfor people who, maybe don't have
a big sister to like give themsome guidance.
I mean, here we are.
Right?
The, the universe had a say anddropped two bright stars down
(49:16):
together.
And clearly we're, we're meantto be siblings.
And I think my creative magic,matches your creative magic and
it comes together and it's like,boom.
I mean, this episode felt like ahug.
(49:36):
Or like a good long text threadwith the sister you love and
occasionally have wanted tostrangle.
That's basically our brand.
But seriously, being siblings iscomplicated.
It's hilarious healing and sospecial, and I'm glad we get to
share it with all of you.
If you've got a sibling youadore or are still trying to
decode it, send this episodetheir way.
(49:59):
And if your siblings are chosen,family, we see you too.
Love comes in all kinds ofpackages.
Catch you next time, fam.
We hope you enjoy today'sepisode as much as we did.
We'll catch you on the next one.
Bye bye.
Hello everybody.
Welcome back to Andy and Mitch,the podcast where two sisters
talk life, love, and laugh atour own jokes.
Quite often today's episode isextra special, we're calling it
"The Power Puff Girls" episodebecause, well, that's the energy
we bring.
We're talking about all thingssibling dynamics.
Were we destined to be sistersor just a happy accident?
(00:22):
Spoiler.
I think the universe knew whatit was doing.
Get ready for childhoodflashbacks, and some rapid fire
questions that might justsurprise you, let's dive in.
Are siblings destined to besiblings?
Or is it a happy accidentbecause there's something very
unique and special about siblingrelationships that exists in the
(00:44):
world, and these are sometimessome of your closest, most
trustworthy allies or yourbiggest enemy.
You and I have been siblings ourentire lives.
Yes, we surely have.
And this is Andy, so I'm theoldest.
Yes.
(01:04):
And Mitch?
Is the youngest.
I'm the baby.
And we are over eight yearsapart.
Yeah.
So there's a pretty big gapbetween us.
So that I think creates a veryinteresting sibling dynamic that
we'll get into a little bit.
But I always find it interestingto know how people's sibling
relationships are.
I will say, having a sister as asibling is a superpower.
(01:29):
Sisters are by far the bestsibling to have, and it's been
proven.
So research does show that ifyou have a sibling that's a
sister.
Regardless of youridentification and you have a
sibling that's a sister that itactually promotes and improves
your mental health, your abilityto have good relationships, your
(01:50):
empathy, how much you learn howto trust people because you
learn so much from each other inthat dynamic.
And because women arepowerhouses, I think that makes
perfect sense.
Yeah, for sure.
It's science, y'all.
That's the science that saysthis science.
Do you believe that siblings areborn with a connection or do you
(02:11):
think it's something that youhave to work on and build up
over time?
I think it's both.
Because often people will saylike, oh, you have siblings, so
you had built in friends.
And if you have a bigger family,like we did, right.
Yeah.
We had a lot of cousins close inage to us at the different
generations that we grew up inwho also kind of became like
pseudo siblings.
(02:32):
Yeah, they were like our sistersand brothers from other mothers.
I think when you're reallyyoung, you understand it, you
get it.
There's this really like bondedcloseness.
Mm-hmm I will say the one thingis like you love your sibling no
matter what, even if they'rethe, worst sibling in the world,
you still love them and sothat's the one commonality,
obviously biologically there'ssomething that connects us, but
(02:54):
I think spiritually there'ssomething that connects us too.
Yeah.
What was that quote you readearlier?
I smile because you're mysibling.
I laugh because there's nothingyou can do about it.
Because you don't choose yoursiblings, right?
We're just in the same chaostogether no matter what.
I do think there's something toalso the fact that, sibling
(03:14):
dynamics ebb and flow.
Like sometimes, you know, let'sbe real, we haven't always
gotten along perfectly.
Right?
And as we've grown up, that hasshifted, but it's ebbed and
flowed.
There have been periods in ourlives where we've been close and
then maybe not as close and thenback together but it does feel
like that it is like that oldfriend.
When I was in my adolescence.
You were already becoming ayoung adult.
(03:35):
So I think that kind of shiftedmaybe a bit.
But otherwise, we've alwaysgotten along for the most part.
Yeah.
There's this underlying comfortand love in majority of sibling
dynamics.
And I think what's unique aboutus is we're, two of three
daughters.
Our sister passed away when wewere very young.
Mm-hmm.
And so there was this huge gapbetween us, so we didn't have
(03:57):
that connecting middle child tobond us the entire way.
And sometimes I think that canbe a benefit, but it also can be
a hindrance in the relationshipwhen you're young.
Because you were so small and Iwas already going into teen
years.
Yeah, I mean, when I was little,the beneficial factor of having
(04:21):
extended family that act aspseudo siblings, when you have
that dynamic, it doesn't feellonely because then you have
like the other folks to kind offill in in those gaps.
I mean eight years is a big gap.
Because it's essentially thegaps that are the most pivotal
trajectory points as you growinto adulthood.
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Mm-hmm.
You may have people in your lifethat are siblings to you, and
they weren't siblings that wereborn into your same family.
Maybe they were chosen siblingsor like we mentioned earlier,
other family members that yougrew up with that really did
become siblings to you.
Yeah for us particularly, we hadcousins that were like pretty
much our siblings.
They became like ourgenerational siblings.
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Yeah.
Really, truly and they saw usthrough some of, you know, the
ebbs and flows of our life.
Yeah, for sure.
And there's your chosen family.
Sometimes if the dynamics areoff or they're like not healthy
for you or straight up, theytreat you horribly.
Sometimes you can find thesechosen family friends, they're
friends, but they develop thatdynamic of siblings.
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Do you think that siblings thatare closer in age have stronger
bonds growing up?
I know a lot of folks who sharetheir sibling dynamics with me,
and they're very close in age.
Sometimes they're just on twopolar opposites of the same
experience.
Like they're at the sametrajectory level, or sometimes
they're a little bit off, onefeels like they're accomplishing
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more, the other one feels likethey're accomplishing less.
There's much more competition inthose ranges.
Yeah.
So I think the dynamic and theexperience is different.
It's interesting'cause usgrowing up with such a big age
gap.
When you say there'scompetition.
We didn't fight over things likethat, like toys or video games
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and stuff because we were in twodifferent eras and interested in
different things.
So there was no competition athome?
No.
I think you probably had morecompetition with our cousins for
things maybe than you had withme.
I don't think I was like, smartenough to know what competition
was that young.
Please.
I know I wanted to be friendswith everyone when I was little.
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I could talk to like a wall.
Then as I got older, I becamevery antisocial.
Yeah.
I agree.
I think the connection piece isthat, it's both.
I think sometimes there's just anatural connection.
That exists and it probably hasa lot to do with personalities
too, and the way people canclick and vibe together.
And then sometimes it'ssomething that siblings need to
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work on.
So that they can learn how to bemore understanding and
empathetic and loving with eachother because the personalities
might clash.
Yeah.
Do you remember the moment youfelt like we were really
connected as siblings?
I definitely felt it as youbecame an older adult, I felt
like this was part of the ebbsand flows of like, oh yeah, I
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actually really like my sister.
Mm-hmm.
And we actually enjoy eachother's company, we laugh a lot
together and, we can have a goodtime hanging out.
But the cosmic powers that be.
I knew that Mitch was cominginto this world before anybody
else knew, before our parentsknew, nobody knew.
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And I used to come home fromschool and lay my head on my
mother's belly.
And she would say, what are youdoing?
And I would tell her I'mlistening to the baby.
And that was the first time myparents thought I had gone
cuckoo baluukoo.
Mm-hmm.
And that I needed a psychiatrist'cause obviously something was
wrong with me.
And they were adamant, like,there is no baby in there.
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And I kept saying, very serious,very matter of fact, like, yeah,
the baby's in here and I'm justlistening to her.
I would do this for days on end,every day I would come home and
I would put my ear to my mom'sbelly and I would listen to you.
And they'd be like, uh, uhoh,here she goes again.
Like, oh no, she's.
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And I was getting really upsetand I'm like, I don't understand
what you're saying.
The baby is in there, I can hearher.
I'm listening to the baby.
And I started talking to you.
And that's when they reallythought I lost it.
Then at some point mom went tothe doctor and found out that in
fact I was correct.
And she was pregnant with you.
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And it was a big shocker.
It was a surprise.
'cause you were not planned.
Yeah.
And in fact our mother was onbirth control and I was a fluke,
or magic.
And then they kept saying thatyou were gonna be a boy.
And I was like, no, it's a girl'cause I listened to her and I
talked to her and it's a girl.
And they were like, wow, youreally tripping over this, but
there was some sort ofconnection, like how as a child
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did I even know?
Well, they say like,biologically your siblings are
like a certain percentage ofyou.
Or we're from the same star seedsomewhere out in the universe
and I recognized your, we werelike old, old friends like
beaches, oh my God.
You better buckle up buttercup,because this is gonna be a wild
ride.
And I indeed buckled up.
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And it indeed was a wild ride.
There is some like weirdconnection that we have.
Starting from when you were inutero to dreams.
Yeah.
We've had a lot of dreams wherewe'll know if like somebody's in
trouble, somebody's having ahard time, someone's having a
baby, not me.
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Or even like sometimes where youjust don't feel good all of a
sudden I'll just feel reallyanxious or upset about something
for no reason.
And I'm like, whoa, why do Ifeel like this?
And then you'll text me like twominutes later.
Whatever past life we were in orcelestial realm, we're like,
yeah, let's pick that one.
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Hey, let's go together.
Yeah, let's do it.
Maybe in a past life we weretwins probably.
That would be weird.
That would be weird.
You know, technically, I alwaysshow up late to things.
Technically yes, like factually.
So I was gonna say like, if thatwas the case and like in, in the
universe, we were like, we'llpick that one.
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Then you showed up late to thisone, that's why you were a
surprise.
Eight years late.
And that's how you knew I washere and I was a girl.
You were in a celestial realm.
You were like, oh shit, Iforgot.
Yeah, that actually would make alot of sense.
You're like the worst with time.
Talk about being on Latino time,my god.
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I don't know what math you useto calculate time.
Me and my musician friends havemade a joke, which is not really
a joke.
It's just a fact always tellMitch that you're gonna show up
30 minutes earlier than youactually are.
So she will only be an hourlate.
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Oh, my favorite thing was onetime I had told a boss.
I was feeling really inspired tobe my best self that week.
Okay.
I was reading a self-help book.
I was reading a lot of mantrasthe whole night, love, and then
I told the boss, yeah, this yearI'm really gonna focus on being
on time.
Cause I have just reestablishedthe concept that being on time,
time is a form of respect towhat I'm doing and the people
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that I'm doing it with.
Mm-hmm.
And she's like.
Oh yeah, that's great.
And I said, yeah.
And then I proceeded to be lateevery day for an entire year.
You're like, oh, but not foryou.
At some point, she just laughedit off'cause she was like, your
output is really great.
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You just really need to be ontime.
And then finally she was like,this is just who you are.
Yeah, it's, it's just ingrainedin your DNA.
I'll say that we did notice ashift in that you are trying to
be on time.
Like 30 minutes versus like fourhours late.
I think that's, that's when youknow, I like you as a person.
The other day, you were like,I'm ready.
I'm alive, and I show up and youwere in the shower.
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I was just letting you know thatI was alive.
That's the big sister, littlesister vibe right there.
Not a care in the world, not afreaking care in the world.
Here I am falling apart.
I haven't even had coffee yet.
But we established if I'm lessthan an hour late, I really care
about you as a person.
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Andy saw probably the funniestthings because I was outta
control and she had to be likethe parental figure sometimes.
Yes.
Did you have any moment whereyou felt like you were really
connected to me as my sister?
I mean, I feel like I was alwayspretty connected to you, even
when we didn't really get alongfor that brief of time.
I think there was always thatgap because of the age thing.
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And then it like fully clicked,my mid, late twenties.
That's when like it fullyclicked and I was like, oh,
that's my sister.
She finally knew who I was.
I finally recognized her inpublic.
But when we were little, Ialways admired, I always looked
up to you.
Aw.
And then I went into like myadolescent phase and I was like
real punk rock.
Very much like the big sisterthat was motherly.
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So like, I would walk you toschool, I would pick you up from
school, I would make you a snackwhen you got home.
Yeah.
I think it's when you went tocollege that everything kind of
shifted.
Yeah.
I moved away to college.
And that's normal and that'snatural.
Because I feel as kids, I don'tthink we really fought all that
much.
No.
I think the most was more justlike your little kid energy
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annoying my teen energy.
For sure because you haddifferent teen stuff that you
would do sometimes.
And I would be like"Hey, youwanna hang out" or you would
come and like, sing to myfriends.
Oh my God, I'll never forgetthat.
So Andy was in choir.
And I went to go with my mom todrop her off and I was very
little, eight years youngerobviously.
And she was like, okay, bye.
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And I was like, you guys wannahear me sing The Little Mermaid
song?
Like just fully committed.
But my favorite was, when youbecame obsessed with singing the
"I Will Always Love You" WhitneyHouston song.
I was really obsessed with thatsong.
And you would sing it literallyeverywhere to everyone.
But listen, y'all, it was like afull commitment.
It was like, this is my song.
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This is my concert right now.
And you're a guest.
Yeah, and you will respect theprocess.
You're welcome.
So it was like this little7-year-old child belting out, I
will always love you toeverybody, which is hilarious.
It's true.
I mean, siblings are the onlyones who can love you and roast
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you in the same breath.
Yeah.
And I was very committed to allof the shenanigans that I did.
I didn't know that you didn'thave to pay for things when
you'd go into stores and we usedlive near this store.
That is a memory that alwaysmakes me laugh, I will never
forget it.
We used to live next door to alittle market slash liquor
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store.
Nick's, what was it?
Frank and Nicks.
So we could just walk over.
And get bread, eggs, kind ofbasic markety stuff from this
little market.
We were also very close to theowners.
They were like an Italianfamily, they were wonderful and
so kind and caring.
They really just saw us grow up.
They really did for so manyyears.
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But one day, this is how wereally understood that we had to
clock, Mitch, on a regular basis'cause she would just take off
and do her own thing.
I just remember getting home andthen my mom saying, I can't find
her anywhere, I don't know whereshe is.
And so we start looking for herall over.
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We're looking in the house, wethink maybe she's hiding, like
playing hide and seek orsomething.
And we can't find her, we gooutside, we're like running up
the driveway screaming her name.
And at this point my mom isgetting super panicked'cause
she's thinking the worst.
That like somebody kidnapped herand you know.
So we walk up the driveway, aswe're turning the corner, low
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and behold, what do we see?
We see little tiny baby Mitch inmy mother's clothes, oversized
adult dress.
In her shoes.
You know how children wear adultshoes and they just clickity
clack, in her shoes, herclothes, and had makeup all over
her face that was not put oncorrectly.
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She looked like a little clownin adult clothes carrying a bag
of cookies.
Eating them.
Eating them.
Yeah.
Nonchalant, like no big deal.
She saw us turn the corner andshe got startled'cause she
realized she got caught going toget cookies with by herself And
we had to like turn around andlaugh where Mitch couldn't see
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us.
Because it was like the funniestthing we've ever seen.
I was like, is this a Saturdaynight live skit?
It's probably why I have such anaffinity for ET.
I don't even know thatconnection.
For ET they dress'em up.
Oh yeah that's what it.
And then we're like.
Where did you get these cookiesfrom?
And she's like, from the store,so my mom's scolds her, we take
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her home.
We come to find out that becauseshe was so little, when she
would go in the store, she wouldset off the bell but they
couldn't see her over thecounter.
So they thought it was like someneighborhood stray cat that kept
trying to come in the store.
And the whole time it was yougoing into steal cookies and you
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knew exactly where they were.
And you'd b-line it to the snackaisle, get your cookies and walk
out.
And so when they would go tolook, nobody would be there, you
were like in and out reallyfast.
But the best part of this storyis that, this says so much about
your personality.
Like you didn't just go getcookies, you got dressed up in
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costume.
I was committed to the skit.
So no one could recognize thatyou were a child and you put
makeup on.
Like the commitment to thiswhole endeavor blew me away.
Like just blew me away.
Yeah.
I mean that's, I told you Ishould do improv.
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The drama.
Yeah.
Like the level of drama andintricate planning and in your
little brain, like your littlechild brain.
Because you were like maybekindergarten age, you thought
through the whole thing, whatare the possible roadblocks to
me getting my cookies?
If I look like my mother,they're not even gonna question
me.
I might be shorter, but I'm inher dress and her shoes.
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Oh my God.
Yeah.
I was really committed.
I have other funny ones, butthat one just every single time
and I can remember like aperfect image of you coming
around the corner with thosecookies.
And I was thinking that you werelike kidnapped.
And I was just having the timeof my life.
I was obsessed with cookies.
I still am.
You still are.
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You are very much a cookiemonster.
1000%.
We were both very intelligentchildren that made maybe
people's lives a little moredifficult.
'cause we were also both veryindependent.
Yeah.
Children, we were, we werewildly independent, very funny
and wonderful.
We were the best kids like ever.
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Because I was probably aboutyour same age when I dipped out
of my preschool class.
What?
See, so it runs in the family.
I've never heard you.
My daughter did this too.
Did she really?
Yeah.
Oh, that's kind of funny.
Our parents were very young whenthey had me.
And so, there was a program on acollege campus and it had like
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daycare stuff that was like alot of services for young
families.
And so we were enrolled in thatand so my classroom was like a
preschool, like the year beforekindergarten.
Oh, like Head start?
Yeah, like head start.
Okay.
And so I was in the Head Startclass, and then our mom and our
sister were in a different classthat was like across this huge
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courtyard.
On a college campus.
And I didn't like that headstart class.
I didn't like the teachers.
I didn't like being there.
I would get really upset whenthey would make me go there.
One day during break time, Idecided I was done.
And I apparently mapped it out,I timed it perfectly.
I got my backpack and I walkedout and I walked across the
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campus by myself with my littlebackpack.
Oh my gosh.
To the other classroom acrossthis huge courtyard, to go look
for mom.
I walked into the classroom andanother teacher was there who
had similar hair to mom and so Iwent up to her and she turned
around.
It was a mom.
And at that moment I got scared'cause I thought, oh, I got
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lost.
I actually didn't go to theright place.
But mom was in that room, but onthe other side.
Okay.
And then all of a sudden I hearis that you whatcha doing here?
I got in so much trouble.
And you're like, what do youmean?
I told him, if you take me back,I'm gonna leave again.
Oh my God.
And of course like dad went andlike flipped out on the
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teachers, like, why was nobodywatching me?
How did I get out?
Like this is unheard of.
Yeah.
But I never had to go back.
Well, yeah.
Hilarious.
Scary for her.
Hilarious for me.
It just goes to show that youwere, you were born
strong-willed.
You were born, you were born.
An independent thinker.
But I think that's something wehave in common.
But you're very much like, Idon't wanna say not treat
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driven, but like.
No, for sure, look at my dog.
We're both treat driven.
Are you kidding me?
Can you make me a flyer?
Mm, i'll buy you coffee.
Absolutely, I made it already.
Yeah.
When there's like a bonus orsomething that you are gonna get
out of it.
Yeah.
Then you're very like, I'm onit, i've got 10 plans, I have
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different ways to get to thatthing Yes but it's not really
monetary, like it's not moneybased, it's, definitely treat
based like a gift or a prize or?
No, like a baked good.
Only my closest people or peoplewho I work closely with know
that if they give me a bakedgood or a cup of iced coffee.
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I will help them.
Well, I think these are bothmemories that perfectly capture
our personalities as children.
Yeah.
And apparently as adults too.
What's your favorite game thatwe played as kids?
Or favorite game that youplayed?
'cause we had such a big gap.
I don't know.
I mean in my generation weplayed with rocks and sticks and
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so we, we had this big tree, atthe house before you were born
and so I would climb the tree.
I would play on like this crazyvery dangerous metal
merry-go-round that we'd spinourselves on super fast and then
fly off of it.
We would just make up games.
I had that too when I waslittle, the internet didn't
really come into our householduntil I was like 12.
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We we lived in an area that hada lot of wood, and so I would
actually climb on the wood, andI would pretend that I was going
on a ship Voyage and then Iwould climb on the trees.
I used to do this very weirdthing when I was a kid, that was
like my favorite game to play, Ican't believe I'm gonna say this
on the podcast.
Hang on.
I'm thinking about it.
Okay, one of my favorite gamesto play by myself was I would
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pretend to run and roll on thegrass, like a ninja assassin.
And I would pretend to run androll at high speeds.
And the objective was to jumpback up and be okay.
So just imagine me throwingmyself repeatedly over and over
again in the grass.
It's like we were, it's like wewere only children, but we
weren't.
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Yeah.
That's really what it was.
We were just doing weird thingsas if we were the only children
because we kind of were in aweird way'cause of the age gap.
But I think you were much moresocial.
I was.
I was very quiet and veryreserved.
One of our uncles has a storyabout me that when he first met
me, he is like, I remember whenI first met you, you wouldn't
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stop talking.
And at first I was like, she'sso adorable and then you
wouldn't stop, you kept askingme all these questions and I
remember looking at your mom andsaying, is she okay?
And it's like, yeah.
That's just her personality, itwas one of those like, uh oh, if
you flip the on switch, youcan't turn it off, she's not
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gonna stop.
She's like, cool, somebody wantsto talk with me all day long
about random stuff.
And you had no problem talkingto strangers.
There's a, character fromdespicable me, the little girl,
where she's like, good morning,sun.
There's multiple people thathave told me.
She reminds me of you.
And one of our male cousins islike, you know, joy from inside
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out.
I was like, yeah.
He's like, yeah, yeah, that'syou.
And I was like, really?
I feel like sadness.
Like well that's justperimenopause.
That's just adulthood, that'sbeing an adult woman.
Adult adulthood will kick joyright out there ba.
That's true actually.
And we used to have bunk bedsand then we had like a big bed.
And when you were really, reallysmall, we used to share a bed
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because we didn't have a lotgrowing up, all the kids would
share a room.
But you used to get up and youtalked so much that you talked
in your sleep, you would wake upand like I used to think
sometimes it was cute until itwouldn't stop till it would be
like four in the morning and I'dbe like, Mitch, stop talking.
But you would sit up and youwould go and then pass out and
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you would like.
Move the entire night.
Like you would wake up in acomplete opposite direction
position.
I fell off that bed so manytimes'cause you would push me
off'cause you would be layingweird at a weird angle and then
you'd feel me and then you'dpush me off.
It's'cause I was reallyfreakishly strong as a small
child.
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Yeah you had so much energy.
I remember that.
I remember that too.
And you were just really, reallycreative.
Like, I remember you would dolike a lot of musicals, I just
remember you singing all thetime.
When you became a teenager, Isaw you a little bit, but you
were really focused on yourclasses and I was still a kid
then, so that's when like thelittle bit of a big gap came.
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And then I was in the streetswith my, with my kid gang.
Yeah.
We were, we thought we were thetoughest, roughest.
We had two neighbors growing,well, we've had a couple
neighbors growing up, but twoneighbors were twins.
And we used to call ourselvesthe Three Musketeers.
Mm-hmm.
And we used to pretend we werethe Ninja Turtles.
Yes.
All the time.
And that's, and that's kind ofwhen I became very boyish.
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You were a ninja assassin too?
That's when I was a ninjaassassin too.
So when I first saw like thatninja warrior show, I was like,
whatever.
I've been doing that since I wasa kid.
Parkour, parkour, just like,wait, did you invent parkour?
I think I did by the carport.
Just rolling off pile of wood.
I remember feeling veryoverprotective of you when you
were really small before I wentaway to college.
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And if little kids were mean toyou, I would secretly, do
something to scare them so thatthey wouldn't be mean to you
again.
This was the John Wick?
Yeah.
This is the, this is the JohnWick of Andy.
It's a very psychologicalthriller.
Look me in the eyes, come at mysister like that again.
Let's talk about how siblingdynamics have changed into
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adulthood.
You go from, she stole my hoodieto, can I borrow your trauma
processing skills, please.
Yeah, I think as you get older,you do start to learn and
appreciate how valuable ourshared history really is.
Because at the end of the day,even though, we were so far
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apart and we were part of twodifferent generational
experiences, and we had twodifferent versions of our
parents and we have the sameparents.
Our childhood experiences werevery different from each other.
Yeah.
And I think as adults though,that really bonds us at the same
time because it's like we arethe only two who fully
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understand, what that experiencewas.
Even though our, the specificsof the nuances of our, our
upbringing, our childhoods are alittle different.
We understand it.
And it's really interestingbecause like we, even as
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siblings, there's a resiliencein the two of us that we have as
siblings that a lot don't have.
Yeah.
I mean, listen y'all, it's amiracle that we made it out and
made it into adulthood to likebe real functioning adults.
Yeah.
And actually like joyful goodpeople.
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Maybe one day we'll do anepisode about that and dive a
little bit in, but it ain'tgonna be today.
Also, we've become much morelike teammates, team Powerpuff
girls.
Which honestly I do love.
One thing I appreciate about ourdynamic is that we've tried to
protect each other as much aspossible.
In terms of like seeing like thebrightness and the joy and the
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laughter.
It is nice to know that you havesomeone who has your back.
Yeah.
Right.
And someone that you can turn toor you just wanna go get ice
cream event on a rainy day orvent.
And older siblings sometimeshave to walk through the thick
of it so that the youngersiblings can run through it.
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That's right a couple years agowe had a really deep
conversation.
When we went on a littlevacation and we ended up
comparing our stories and wewere like, oh shit, we should
write a book.
We'd spent like a week togetherwe just had an opportunity to
just talk about differentexperiences and just really get
to know each other more asadults.
Which I think really changed thegame.
It did.
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I think it did.
I think the dynamic absolutelychanges for siblings as you grow
older.
Because when you're youngerright, you're either like in
competition, if you're reallyclose in age.
If you're spread apart like weare, it was more like parental
figure and child dynamics.
But as adults, it's like, now itis more, a deeper friendship
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based and there's still thesibling dynamic there but it's
like evolved.
That's a good term.
Yeah.
It definitely has evolved overtime into a beautiful,
beautiful.
A beautiful love story.
What do we wish more people knewabout sibling relationships in
midlife?
I think in midlife, having theunderstanding and the compassion
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for the fact that as siblings,you both were just trying to
grow up and survive in the worldand figure it out.
And not take all of that in sucha personal way into your midlife
relationship that you'recreating with your siblings.
If you're both invested and bothparties have to be invested and
willing to grow together andspend time together and really
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genuinely be a part of eachother's lives.
Because I know a lot of siblingswho like generally care about
each other, but they're notinvested in being part of each
other's lives intentionally.
Like they're so busy.
It's like, oh, I never see mysibling because I'm just too
busy.
Yeah, and sometimes distanceplays a factor too.
Yeah.
Or they live across the world oracross the country from each
other.
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But I think when you can get tothat place, it blossoms into
this really cool relationshipthat just continues to benefit
you both.
You know, I feel like with us,we become one of each other's
biggest cheerleaders.
And I will say, I think thebiggest lesson that I've learned
as our sibling relationship hasevolved into adulthood is that
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you have to sit down with yoursibling and have those
conversations.
Us having really open, honestconversations and sharing so
many things about ourexperiences.
Really helped to solidify thebond.
Yeah.
Sometimes people lose sight ofthe fact that our siblings are
human.
Yeah.
And like we forget that becausewe're like, we are so closely
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tied to this concept of thembeing our sibling.
And so we forget that they arehumans who are evolving and
learning who they are and goingthrough the ebbs and flows of
their journey and theirexistence.
And sometimes we can take thingsto spaces that it doesn't really
need to go.
Mm-hmm.
So it's like we forget that wehave to be a little bit more,
(32:39):
like you said, compassionate,caring, considerate of them and
their experiences.
And maybe we don't understand'emfully, but we can, kind of
approach it with grace becausewe want what's best for them.
If you can evolve together andcome together and continue to
grow together and be in eachother's lives That's a kick ass
(33:01):
experience that you don't wannamiss out on.
Yeah.
And psychologists also suggestthat strong sibling closeness
often doesn't peak until yourlate twenties to forties range.
Yeah, it makes sense.
So if you are in that youngerera of your life and you feel
really disconnected from yoursiblings, it's never too late to
try to have a healthy bond orhealthy relationship.
(33:21):
Or if you're really close toyour siblings now, like keep
nurturing that relationship.
We, we touched on this rightnow.
So I I wanna do a little quizthat chat, GPT created, we're
gonna call chat.
GPT homie BT, you gottapronounce it.
GPT Oh my God.
I need more coffee.
This is the other part that wedidn't, that I wanna add,
(33:43):
finding things that you do havein common with your sibling
because me and my sister getreal delirious and we think
we're the funniest people on theplanet.
Think! We laugh at some of thestupidest stuff and we think
it's hilarious.
Like we're almost PR our pantstogether, we're laughing so
much.
I've seen SNL skits that werebased on things that we
(34:05):
invented, so.
All right, so we're gonna do alittle quiz because based on
birth order, I think there are alot of assumptions.
Which I would say most are true.
I think as an older sibling, Idefinitely have a lot of those
oldest daughter,characteristics, especially in a
Latino family.
Mm-hmm, I don't know what theyare, so me saying mm-hmm doesn't
matter.
(34:26):
It's like the hyper responsible,stubborn, usually very success
focused.
And then the younger siblingsare super wild child, I make my
own rules, when I was a youngadult, I used to jump into
unmarked vans and go toundisclosed locations to party.
So yeah, you were definitely amuch more wild teenager.
(34:48):
Sometimes I watch Schitt'sCreek.
Yeah.
And then I'm like, Alexis and Ihave a bond.
She's like, I'm pretty sure Iwas sold to somebody at some
point.
And he's like, ex what?
And I am David, all the facesexist.
That's me.
And in my repertoire, yes.
Well, we can laugh and have fun,you know?
We can have fun in lifetogether.
And that.
That's a big deal, especially asadults.
(35:09):
Okay.
So which sister are you?
We're gonna go through thesequestions.
I'm gonna read them out loud.
There's only, five of them.
Do I have to do math?
Well you have to keep track ofyour answers.
Oh, because you'll have totelly.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Am I boring you?
I feel like as adults we cancall each other out much more
easily and not take of offenseto it.
Yeah.
And it's not offensive.
(35:30):
It's not.
As young children, we would getannoyed with each other because
we take it very personal.
And now as adults we're like,get your shit together.
Yeah.
Get your shit together.
Because we know that it's comingfrom such a loving, supportive
place.
I dunno.
I think we just builtunderstanding our level of
sarcasm is outta control.
It's like next level.
Yeah.
(35:50):
Okay.
This is the quiz.
Which sister are you?
We have to answer thesequestions and tally our most
frequent letter response.
To determine which sister weare.
Okay.
Number one.
It's Saturday morning.
What are you doing?
A.) already meal prepping andlistening to a podcast.
B.) still in bed, scrollingmemes and ignoring texts.
(36:12):
C.) out shopping with an icedcoffee in hand.
D.) Journaling, meditating, andtexting your group chat about a
weird dream.
Number two.
Your sister just stole yourfavorite sweater.
Again, you (36:28):
A.) Lecture her about boundaries, then fold it
back neatly in your closet.
B.) hide all your clothes out ofrevenge.
C.) Post a selfie in her sweaterand tag her D.) Write a strongly
worded journal entry and thenforgive her.
Three.
Your group text style is (36:48):
A.) all logistics, no fluff planning
mode on B.) Voice notes andchaotic energy, always.
C.) Reaction, emojis, memes andphotos.
D.) Occasional deep thoughts ora screenshot of your astrology
app.
(37:08):
Four.
Your go-to sibling phrase is ABe responsible, be yolo: C,
let's take a pick first or D,let's unpack that emotionally.
I literally have heard you saythat.
That's actually funny.
Uh, okay.
Number five.
(37:29):
Your childhood role in thesibling crew: A.) The bossy one
with color coded binders.
B.) The wild card somehow alwaysgrounded.
C.) The cool one, best dressedby age 10 or D.) The wise one,
aka baby therapist.
Okay.
Results time.
So what do you have most of?
(37:50):
Three B's.
So you're mostly B?
Yeah.
You're the chaos queen sisteryou bring the drama, the laughs
and the unpredictable spice,your everyone's favorite wild
card.
You may have been grounded a lotgrowing up, but hey, you have
the best stories now.
Aw, that's so sweet.
(38:11):
Aw, I love it.
I got mostly D, although it's alittle chaotic, so I think I'm
confused about what story, butmostly D is the soul sister,
deep, thoughtful, and alwaysthree books into your healing
journey.
You're the one your siblingscall when they need advice, a
(38:31):
tarot pool, or a reminder thatthey're a cosmic queen.
You're basically sage in humanform.
This is true.
Aw, I like that.
So that's us.
And then there's mostly a's,which are the CEO sister so if
you clocked mostly a's you wereborn to lead your siblings, your
group chat, your life, you'reorganized, protective, and the
(38:53):
one who probably filled out allof your sister's FAFSA forms.
You're basically their secondmom, but you make it chic.
Then mostly Cs is the glam sis,stylish social and a little
extra in the best way.
You love a selfie, a sale, and agood time.
You were the first to get askincare routine and convince
(39:14):
your sister to try a TikToktrend.
So those are the four differentones.
I like the fact that we wereliterally just talking about the
fact that I, relate to Alexisfrom Schitt's Creek, and then I
got the Chaos sister.
That's weird, that reallyclocked us.
In five questions.
You can pause and rewind if youwanna take that quiz for
yourself.
I will also link something inthe show notes if you want to,
(39:37):
get your fave sis or yourbestie, who is like a sister to
you, and take the quiz.
Brothers, you're not allowed andyou're not welcome to take
quizzes.
Just kidding.
Depends on your dynamic, withyour brother though.
You could take the sister quiztoo, find out which spicy sister
you are.
Find out.
Now we know I'm the soul sister.
You're the chaos sister.
(39:58):
Yeah, that makes sense.
So let's jump into some rapidfire.
We each get 10 rapid firequestions.
No thinking, just answering.
Let's see what comes up.
Can we call his sister?
Sister because sister, sisterdidn't know how much I missed
you.
Are you ready, Andy?
I think so.
Number one (40:17):
What's making you laugh and smile this week?
Wrong.
Too slow.
Eh?
I failed.
I love a good, fun, funnypodcast, which is why I love
what we're doing and the workwe're doing.
I'm really in, into Amy PO'sstuff that she's been posting.
It's been making me laugh likecrazy.
And, silly animal videos, wherelike, you ask your dogs funny
(40:41):
questions and their like facesand their facial responses it's
like, I've seen this been doglike 12 times and it still makes
me laugh.
Favorite way to waste time?
Laying in bed, scrolling.
Something people may besurprised to know about you?
That I am actually a homebody.
Yeah, she's not at the club ornothing.
I'm not up at the club, no, notanymore.
(41:03):
I'm definitely a homebody.
What was your childhood dreamjob?
Singer Current Go-to comfortshow: I love Ted Lasso, I've
been watching New Girl'causethat, oh, that also for number
one, makes me laugh.
New Girl makes me laugh.
And like old ones like Big BangTheory and Friends and things
like that.
Those are all good, by the way.
(41:24):
What's a scent that instantlybrings you back to your
childhood?
Strawberries.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, funny.
You just found that strawberryshortcake shirt.
What's your go-to karaoke song?
The first one that comes to mindis I Will Survive.
You know what's weird?
I literally thought that I, youthought that, oh my God.
I thought that in my head, notfor me, but I thought that you
(41:46):
were gonna say that.
A personality trait of mine thatdrives you a little nuts.
When you mumble to yourself andyou think you're having a
conversation with me and Icannot hear or understand
anything that you're saying.
Oh my God, that's funny.
Something you admire about me.
Your creativity.
And you have this really bigheart, but you're very
(42:06):
protective of it.
Oh, that's very sweet.
What's one thing you hope we'restill doing in 20 years?
Laughing.
Aw, that's so cute.
Aw, I'm so good at this.
You're so good at it.
All right.
What's making you laugh andsmile this week?
My dog.
Favorite way to waste time?
Eating.
(42:27):
That's a good one.
Something people may besurprised to know about you.
I am actually pretty nice withRBF.
If you don't know what thatmeans, look it up.
What was your childhood dreamjob?
To be an actress.
Go to comfort show (42:45):
The last of us.
That's depresso espresso, forsure.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
I like Emily in Paris.
I like the last of us and I likeshrinking.
Those are your comfort shows.
What's a scent that instantlybrings you back to your
childhood?
Sandalwood.
Oh, I was gonna say vanilla.
(43:05):
What's your go-to karaoke song?
My Heart Will Go On.
I see a theme here.
A personality trait of mind thatdrives you a little nuts.
Sometimes when I'm talking toyou and you're over the
conversation, you just like,check out.
You're just gone.
It's like you go offline andI'll be like Andy.
(43:26):
And you'll be like, what?
You're like, you know, we'rehaving a conversation, right?
Something you admire about me.
You're incredibly driven, you'rea great leader and you deeply
care about others.
(43:46):
What's one thing you hope we'restill doing together in 20
years?
Laughing until we almost pee.
Alright but here's the twist,Mitch.
Okay.
You get to ask me one deep,unexpected question and anything
goes, and I'll do the same.
When in your life did you feelthe most lost?
And how did you find your wayback?
Whoa.
Pass.
(44:07):
Oh, that's tough.
It makes me actually feelemotional, that's funny.
I think there was a point in mylife, and this was a very
pivotal turning point.
I was in my early thirties.
I was working young mom tryingto finish grad school, and I was
(44:29):
just like burnt at both ends.
And then I got really sick,unexpectedly.
Like it was like a curve ball oflike being diagnosed with cancer
and that being really scary.
I think I felt very, very lostbecause I didn't know how to
process all of that.
(44:49):
I felt very confused about wheremy priorities were, who I was,
my role as a mother, and just somany feelings about life and
everything happening all at onetime.
Mm-hmm.
And it took me years to workthrough that years and probably
still working through right jobto be honest.
I started to find my way once Istarted to release expectations,
(45:17):
when I started to really justlet go and cut through the noise
and just really listen and honein.
To the things that felt mostimportant to me.
That's when I started to like,hear my own voice again and feel
like, okay, we're back on track,we found the path.
And now we just need to keepdoing and see, you know, kind of
(45:38):
where we go.
And honestly, my child is like alittle wise soul and I feel like
she said things to me, that I'mnot gonna share because they're
very personal.
But, that kind of like, it waslike a whoa, snap me out of it
moment.
That's really beautiful.
Thank you.
I personally know your childvery well, so I know that to be
very true.
Yeah.
Her, she, she's like, we talkabout being each other's
(45:59):
therapist, but she's like thetherapist for everybody.
She's like the whole familytherapist.
She's like a little oracle.
Like you're not even asking herand all of a sudden she drops
some wisdom on you and you'relike.
Whoa.
Kids are wise, you know, if youlisten to them, it's amazing.
Okay, so now my turn right?
Nope.
What do you think is the legacywe're building as sisters and
(46:22):
what is the legacy you wannabuild for yourself?
Oh, I do know this, hang on.
It's not online.
It's on something that I postedthe other time on my Instagram.
I saw this thing online and itreally did like strike me.
And it's like you are the womanyour ancestors prayed for.
They dreamed of you, a womanfree enough to speak her truth,
(46:42):
soft enough to fill her heartand powerful enough to break
every, curse that they couldn't.
Ooh, mic drop.
And I really truly believe thatthat is the legacy we're
leaving.
And I mean, that's a legacywe're building as sisters.
We're breaking so many ancestraltraumas, bad choices, paths,
patterns.
(47:02):
So I'm really proud of usbecause, oh, I'm proud of us
too.
Like I've had friends that havelike known little bits about the
life that we have lived through.
And, they're always kind of inshock.
I think that's another thingabout sibling dynamic is like
they are, like Andy saidearlier, the only other person
on the earth that has a clue,which you've been through, down
(47:24):
to the details, right?
And so I've, I've shared littlebits of our journey, with
friends, and they've looked atme lost for words.
Like, what do you mean?
What do you mean you're such alight, bubbly person?
Like, how did that even happen?
And when we look at thestatistics in some of the
research that I've done atdifferent classes.
We are 100% against the odds.
(47:46):
Mm-hmm.
And there's two of us that areagainst the odds.
And there's something to be saidin that, and we're both like two
little starlights that walkedthrough darkness together.
Yeah.
Look at us now.
Shining bright.
Like a diamond.
I love that.
For us, yeah.
For a legacy that I wanna leavefor myself, I definitely wanna
be able to cook the best cookiein the world.
(48:07):
That's probably like yoursecret, dream business.
Yeah.
To like, if I could at somepoint own a bakery, but be like
a faceless bakery, like nobodyknows that I own it, but
everybody wants the cookies.
That would be great.
I don't wanna bake'em either.
I just, I just wanna fund it.
I think that we, I don't wannabe in the kitchen at all.
(48:30):
I just wanna find the people whobake the cookies.
Am I becoming a shark?
I think so.
There you go.
That's your legacy.
I'm joking.
I think my legacy would be justto.
To be proud of the person I am,at the end of this life.
And to potentially open manydoors for people who are similar
(48:51):
to us.
That maybe didn't have, youknow, the avenues where, we
really had to bear knuckle ourway through this life.
And so I wanna be a door openerfor people who, maybe don't have
a big sister to like give themsome guidance.
I mean, here we are.
Right?
The, the universe had a say anddropped two bright stars down
(49:16):
together.
And clearly we're, we're meantto be siblings.
And I think my creative magic,matches your creative magic and
it comes together and it's like,boom.
I mean, this episode felt like ahug.
(49:36):
Or like a good long text threadwith the sister you love and
occasionally have wanted tostrangle.
That's basically our brand.
But seriously, being siblings iscomplicated.
It's hilarious healing and sospecial, and I'm glad we get to
share it with all of you.
If you've got a sibling youadore or are still trying to
decode it, send this episodetheir way.
(49:59):
And if your siblings are chosen,family, we see you too.
Love comes in all kinds ofpackages.
Catch you next time, fam.
We hope you enjoy today'sepisode as much as we did.
We'll catch you on the next one.
Bye bye.
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