September 9, 2025 • 38 mins
On this special edition of Art of Ward Andre Ward and Roy Jones Jr. give their take on the dream showdown between Canelo Alvarez and Terence Crawford. They break down styles, strengths, and what each fighter needs to do to win. Two Hall of Famers share insight on one of boxing’s most anticipated fantasy matchups.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Me and Roy don't always agree. The one thing you
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
A Hall of Fame worth a game Bill Rogers. So
let's get into it, man, Yeah, you know where I'm
going with this first topic. I want to get into
the biggest fight in boxing right now, Canelo Alvarez and
Terrence Crawford September thirteenth, Mexican Independence Day at a Legion Stadium.
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As the fight gets closer, we're gonna get more in
depth about.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
The x's and o's and what each guy needs to do.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
But when you first hear about this fight at a
high level, how do you see this fight playing out?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
When I first hear about it, Dre, I like a
lot of things about the fight. I like that Bully
took his time winning, beefed up early because he knew
it was coming. So when you got time to get
ready and get right, that's a big thing. You can't
take nothing away from Canelo. Canelo has been there for
a while, great puncher, great boxer, puncher. If Bud can
take the punch, which we're pretty sure he can do,
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we will have a good fight on our hands. I
think there are several ways for Bud to win it,
but one way for Canelo to lose it. I ain't
gonna disclose none of that, but that's just my thing.
We get close exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But do you feel you feel comfortable saying who the winner?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Who you think then be not.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm not gonna say I'm gonna feel comfortable saying it
because I like both guys, and when you got two
guys of their caliber, you can't really count you the
guy out. You know that yourself. Budd is a champion.
That says a lot. And on top of that, Budd
is still hungry. You understand me. Canelo did this thing too,
but I don't know if he got that hunger still
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left in him. You understand me, And that's what I think.
That's the only thing that bothers me. If he's still hungry,
then were in for a good knight. But he's not hungry.
It's gonna be rough.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, I agree, man, I know it's gonna be it's
a great it's gonna be a great fight. And it's
not a lot of matchups in boxing that you can
guarantee a great Knight like you can guarantee it's gonna
be a great fight question. And I say that because
just following both guys throughout the years, they both they
both got that the intangibles, the stuff you can't see
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unless you know what you're looking at. The stuff it
ain't an X and O things. It's here right like,
it's that stubbornness for greatness. Like like Canelo, though he's
had some mishaps, he's had some draws, he's had some losses.
I feel like if you ask Canelo what happened there,
he's got a perfectly good reason why that happens, right right.
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He don't have a definitive loss, per se, I mean
bev all, but you know he can still say I
moved up and wait yeah, or you know now I
thought I want that.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
He hasn't been like beat up ever in his career.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Now Floyd dominated him, and to a degree, Floyd, you know,
Floyd beat him up to a degree from a boxing standpoint,
not like you know, bloody, but just frustrated him had
too much skill all that stuff. So I feel like
even though Canelo has had some mishaps, the confidence is
still there because he like, I got a good reason
why I had a couple.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Of draws and I had a couple of losses.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
For Terrence, he's never been turned away as a professional,
he's never been beaten, and.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We don't have a blueprint on how to beat him
at all.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know what you're looking at you Every fighter has holes,
every fighters has weaknesses, but nobody's been able to exploit
his weaknesses to a point where he can take an
al So for me, it's a dangerous fight for both
God people think the dangers just going Canelo's way to Crawford. No,
they're both dangerous, and I think both fighters understand that.
And it's not even the skill stuff. It's this like
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his mentality is men, I got to win to die.
Anything can happen now. I don't you know, I'm not
gonna give my you know, my.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Full breakdown just yet.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I don't see a scenario where Canelo can outwork Terrence
Crawford around after round and win on a points decision.
I think he's either gonna have to hurt him and
then finish him or just knock him out. And I
think Terrence Crawford obviously can win on points. He's more active,
he's you know, he's you know, he's gonna be throwing
more punches. And here's the thing, bro, he can also
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hurt Canelo. And when you hurt somebody, you don't always
see a visible leg.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Shake fighters or are resilient.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
They'll they'll poker face that thing and you'll never know.
But both fighters got to respect the other person's power.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And like you said to me, when you're saying this,
that's the same thing I'm saying. When I see hunger,
that hunger has to be there. We know Bud keep
that hunger because he want to win. He never lost Canelo.
We don't know if he got their hunger still, and.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I think he still does.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I mean to what degree you got to see when
it gets rough, But I think he still has that.
I think he still has it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Okay, if he has, it's gonna be for a great night.
But they both gonna need it, of course they are.
September thirteenth. They both don't need it, of course they are.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And no matter what the fans say, no matter.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
What we say.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They both know that.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Of course, you know, if this fight gets closer, we're
gonna we're gonna get more into the you know, punch
for punch and x's and o's. But I like talking
about everything surrounding the fight. When you saw the fighters
around each other interacted. When you saw the press conference,
people say, oh, who won the press conference? I don't
think nobody wins the press conference, but you do get
to pick up on some things. What did you pick
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up when you saw the press tour?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What I picked up on was that Canellis tried to
see if he could punk Bud and that didn't work.
So box some one X you did that didn't work,
you understand me. So we only number two now. But
I think that the initial thing was now that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well. How you think he tried to try to punk him.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I think he did push him with something, right, Yeah,
they pushed him and.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Uh Bood pressed up on him first, though Bud pretty
much walked him down and said, but.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
They both trying each other, you know what I'm saying.
But when he pushed Bud, But know you ain't gona
run over me too. But to me, that's Canilo also
trying to say, hey, I'm bigger, I'm stronger, I'm gonna
let you feel my weight, right, you know so, because
when you touch a guy in boxing, you know what
that means. Yeah, you fit me out, trying to see
you understand me, So keep your hands off, and you're
really not supposed to put your hands That's why I
say keep your hands off, and so he did, though.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But I respect, I respect what Canelo did too, because
you're not gonna walk me down either, because you feel
what you're trying to do there too. You may not
have put your hands on me, but you bodying me
and you're trying to press me back to send me
a message, and we can't.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Go for that exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
But I liked it. I think both fighters got just
as much as they gave. You know, everybody so quick
to want to pick a winner and pick this and
then man, when you got, when you got skill set
at this level, when you got this level of stubbornness,
when you got when you got this much experience, when
you got dudes that that haven't been turned away either
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at all, in Terrence Craffer's or in Canelo's case, very
often you can't pick a player call winner.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You never can. That's why. That's why I said, you
know that night gonna till the story. But going in
we all have our favorites in the way we think,
but we never know until we see. Because like you say,
if Canelo come out the thing hungry tough night.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Talk to me about the weight jump. You had a
significant weight jump from I mean you went all the
way up. I think you started fifty four, right around
fifty sixty four and you ended up becoming the heavyweight
champion of the world. It's a lot of weight classes
in between that, but you did a big jump from
seventy five to two hundred Was it two hundred right
down two or five?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Two hundred?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So what is that twenty five pounds? Bud?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It's campaigned at thirty five forty forty seven. Then he
jumped up to one hundred and fifty four pounds Di
Vision Junior middleweight to fight Ma Jamal, and a lot
of people had a lot to say about that performance.
Then he says, Okay, I'm going two more weight classes.
I'm skipping sixty and I'm gonna meet you at sixty eight.
What I know about Budd and I don't have no
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numbers or no personal knowledge from that standpoint, but bud
gets big in between fights, right. Some of it is
just you know, normal factcause what you want to eat.
Some of it is muscle. And I don't think people
realize how much he's been boiling down to make forty
and even forty seven. So now people are seeing him
and they're like, oh my god, he's so big, and really,
I'm just not having to boil myself down.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That's all it is.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I can eat more, still train hard, but eat more.
How much of a factor is the weight going to
be in this fight?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I don't think the weight is going to be affected
at all, mainly because what you just said, when you
especially for him, when you have to boil down to
forty seven, he's coming from seventy five or eighty. He
gonna have to boil down to sixty eight. Now you
understand me, because the treat went above sixty eight before
he started training. So it's like when you got to
boil down to whatever, you're still boiling down. That boiling
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down process your body understands. Once your body starts doing,
starts to realize or understand what you're doing. Your body
knows where to go right away. You know what that mean?
When you see your opponent, your body nose right then
where we going? You understand? So your body is like
when I would get to a press conference, like before
the fight started, like the first the initial press coff
we have the initial press conference, my body changes from
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that day. My body's start like I don't want soda.
I don't even want candle because my body knows, oh yeah,
it's work time, you feel me. So his body knows
the same thing. So the fact that this time and
then like when I went up to heavy weight, he
actually gotta pull it down to super middle. That's that's
what those people don't know. I had to go up.
I had to eat and lift my way up. He's
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boiling down still, just like Canelo wheels to make six
stick you understaying. That's a different ball game. That's a
different animal. Now he may not put on as much
as the Canelo would put back home, but he's gonna
put it on a little bit.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be a factor. But I
don't think it's gonna be the factor. No, I think
I think Terrence is gonna he's gonna feel it. He's
gonna feel it when they get inside. He's going to,
I think, feel it when the punch is land when
he gets a certain reaction. He may not get that
reaction at least early from Canelo. And that's not just
because Canelo has a sturdy frame or he's bigger. But
Canelo's got underrated defense, right. You know, he don't move
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his legs a lot, but it's more from the waist ard, right.
So I think it'll be a factor, but not not
that big of a factor. But it's a good point
that you made. When I went up to light heavyweight,
I followed in your footsteps and I went consulted with
Mackie Shieldstone.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And Mackie, you know, he's got the experience, but he's
also working off for a science too.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
He says, first time I ever heard about a Dexas skin.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So you gotta get a dexa skin went in there
and that tells you bone density, body fat, all the stuff.
And I kept telling himim, like, man, I'm going up
to seventy five, going up to seventy five. He said,
You're not going up to seventy five. You're still cutting weight.
He said, you're He said, you see the DEXA, you're
one eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
He said, you're cutting to make one seventy five.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And it just I just sat there for a second.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I was like, dang, you right exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He said, you're not going up in waight, You're just
not losing much exactly, And he put it in perspective
for me. And and that's the same exact thing that's
going on with Terren S. Crawff.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't know what he weighs, but if I had
to guess, I think he for show highest seventies.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I think I think the.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Hiatus, maybe even hiaiis made.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The hiais so it will be a factor, but I
don't think it's gonna be that amount of factor. But
what about the punch and power? Because I'm watching some
tape this morning, right and and you know, I'm just looking.
I don't think Terrece Crawford gonna stop hitting hard all
of a sudden at thirty seven, thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
He's not the thing about it is with people that
failed to realize is it's about technique. When you can punch,
and you knowing this too, when you can punch, he
don't matter how much you wait, you can touch. See.
What they don't realize is when I fought John Reis,
I still was twenty six pounds black in him. Yep,
you know what I'm saying. He hit him on the button,
but the punch of power is shocked. You understand me,
Then you go back. Hold the field photo. Lennox Lewis
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he for the lot Ridick both, He for all those
big guys, But those big guys had to reapt because
of the punch and power. He was able to get
their respect because he had technical punching power, not just
by luck or not a guy who just could box.
But when he went up and wait, his technique went
out the one door. No, when your technique go up
with you, you're gonna stay powerful. And that's what I
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think gonna happen here now. Bud has never been ready known, well,
neither one of them truly haven't been ready known as
one punch knockout guys. That's what those people don't realize.
Canelo has not been known as a one punch knockout guy. Yeah,
he got to a kid from Texas who was your
suspect chain and the color who we know was three
way classes up and ain't been known for the best chance.
But then the only two guys he got will knockout
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punches one shot. Everybody else has kind of been an accumulation.
If he knocked him out, you know, said, I mean
and Bud the same thing. Bud got maybe one or
two one punch knockouts, but most of them are accumulation.
So neither guy to me has been known for having
a super punch and power. But if Bud has his
extra weight on, his punch and power might increase with
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the weak mine did.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
If he keeps the weight on right.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, but the question is, you know what everybody's asking,
and Terrence is gonna have to answer this. You know,
can he take anellow shot?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That's what I said. That's the first thing we've got
to figure out. Can he take that shot? Because yeah,
you could do it in sixty ounds clubs. When I
did it, I did it in sixteen ounds club its
spawn it was different. But I was like, okay, y'all,
I can deal with this. But when you get in
that hipway fight with them tens and that tens scrape
that chin, now you find out what the real effects
are that he gained no more that ten scrapes that chin.
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You know, now you find out what the truth is
so and then, And that's why I say there are
a lot of questions that are gonna have to be
answered on that night, No matter how much we sit
there and go back and forth, no matter how much
the coaches in the train and go back and forth,
the questions really gonna be answered right there in that
square because he got to be able to take his
punch and he got to know how to fight him. Simple,
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that's the main two things. Can you take his punch?
And do you know how to fight him? Because, like
you said, that real has never been solved? Understand me,
but he is way up and weight, So can you
take his budget?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
You?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Can you do it? Nobody else it's done? Can you
solve that real?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
What type of mindset does does Bud have to have
to want to jump up there? And what type of
mindset does Canelo have to have to say? Man, I'm
facing the dude that if I beat him, they're gonna
say he was too small, But he's dangerous enough to
beat me. So they both got two different mindsets when
they say yes to this fight.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Here, they do have two different mindsets. But Canelo, right,
if he loses, they gonna say you lost to a
smaller guy. But this smaller guy, bad man. It's the
only guy to ever be undisputed champion. Yeah, in three
weight classes.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think he going for three time.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Right now, we're going through the wa Okay, we're going
through Okay, I think he want But anyway, this ain't
no ordinary small guy. That's right.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Just me.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
When jer Rowice lost to Roy Jones, he didn't lose
no ordinary small guy. Yeah, you understand me. So if
you lose Canelo, you're not losing to an ordinary small guy.
So you're going to take that in mind for even
things like that. Understand me. Butter, on the other hand,
if you lose, yeah, a lot of people ain't giving
you a chance against Canelo anyway because you started up
one thirty five, right, But if you win, your name
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gotta go up there with Usik amongst the best. You
understand me. Because Usik's name has clearly risen to the
top of the heavyweight chain because of what he's been
able to do. You understand me. So you beat Canillo,
your name going to the top of that chain too,
because you're gonna be the reweight division.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
You understand me, Canelo, if he's able to pull this off,
he got to give full credit for this.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
He does because he didn't have to take it because.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
He wasn't He wasn't calling Terrence out, he wasn't trying
to chase, you know, a smaller man or nothing like that.
His name kept getting called, and you know he answered
the call. You know, Turkey made it to a point
where it's probably hard to say.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
No good thing that or Andre what. What I'm happy
about tu though, is guess what. They having a big fight,
a showdown fight. But they're both getting paid for the efforts,
both getting paid for the efforts. How much time did
we do that and not get paid for our effort?
But we love the sport, so we did it because
we loved the support. They're both getting paid for their effort.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's why, like, you know, I get a lot of
questions about Turkey. What do you think? What do you think?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
What he think?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And my thing is is like I don't know what
I think. Just just wait and see ye give it
some time. I don't like that he did this, and
give it some time because I don't care who was
at the helm of the sport or who was a
top promoters, top couple promoters who like ain't nobody a
saint where they not doing nothing. Everybody's got their way
of doing things and not everybody's gonna like it. But
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one thing you cannot say about Turkey is that he's
not paying these guys. For so long in boxing it's
high risk, the least amount of reward and the suits
and everybody else who's not getting hit. We want to
try to see if you know enough to say something
because of not that we're gonna we're gonna chop this
up and then give you what that's the most you
ever made. That's not the point. Point is is I
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deserve this and you're giving me something lesson. And so
one thing you cannot take from Turkey yla chic is
that he is paying these fighters.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He's changing some of their lives, even the.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Guys that ain't the elite guys, Guys that may make
five hundred now they making two, making a million, making
eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Man, I respect that, Yeah, I do too, and I
got it. While we're on that subject, got to say
the same thing about Jake Paul. You know he doing
the same thing for the women. He making the women
more money than they ever dreamed of making. And to
see him do that, my head goes off the same
with both of them, because when you're paying fighters what
they deserve or they're given.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
They'll just do.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I got to give you credit.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
He giving them the exposure to of course, you know,
so that the people that say that, you know, and
I said this on the on the air for Katie Taylor. Man,
it's AROUNDO. You know a lot of people I don't.
Nobody wants to see women's boxing, and those those narratives
start to live out there, right.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But he's giving them.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He's not only paying, nobody's putting them in position visibility
so you can see him. So you set me in
I'm gonna put you in a position. You say, you
say you can fight, I'm about to put you in
positions so we can see. So you gotta respect that
man with him and what Nikisa are doing. Man, it's
a doupte thing. How did you deal with your with
your big pressure moments. I'm not saying like like the
night of the fight. I'm saying in training camp. I'm
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talking about when you know you're fighting another real Yeah,
how did you deal with it throughout training camp.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
For me, man, I grew up on a farm and
I watched a lot of animals, and with animals in
the day, a tough opponent or a worthy opponent may
turn that corner. So I learned as a kid that
every day is a good day, but be ready because
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you never know what might turn that corner. So I
didn't talk a lot of smack because you can't talk
smack until you did that. In my opinion, that's how
I was taught. The Amba didn't crow, or the ama
didn't roar, or they didn't mate until they handle their business,
you understand me. Then they did they talk and they
row and they crow or whatever. You know. I was
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taught that you handled your business first, then you talking. No, no,
you're not. We're not gonna let nobody just come upoint
you and talk any count Wait, like Canelo got him,
back off him because that's a form of disrespect, you
understand me, So you're not going to allow that. But
it's like, you know, when I was in training camp
for those big fights, I looked there every day like
I was happy. I know, this is my chance to
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show people what I really am, who I already am
and that's what I live for. So I loved it, but.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I'm dealing with pressure.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I get quiet, I get quiet.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't especially as especially as the fight gets closer.
You know, it's almost like I'm you know, it's like
the lion, right, Like the lion is storing up energy
all day in a while because he got a hunt,
and I don't know, I may fight for my life
while I'm going to hunt for my family. So you know,
there was times that I, you know, I would I
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would have a good time with my team during camp
and we laugh and share some laughs. But for me,
the pressure was always there because vergens to tease me,
you know, on my bad days, Man's man, you a
head case because I just wanted everything to be per
I make it off the ring, like man, Man we
three weeks out. Man, I looked terrible today, said what
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you mean? You look terrible? You came in here tired,
then you went ten rounds. You didn't look great, but
you you got through.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He's always trying to find that that silver lining.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And you know, I like to call myself a recovering perfectionist,
you know what I'm saying, working on it, but I
hadn't lost.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Roy in a long time. Man.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know, so I was twelve years old, thirteen years old.
He's like, man, it would have been good for you
to take that ale, to get that pressure.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Off of you early.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I'm like, why why you saying it? Because I carried
a lot, so I had the pressure of who I
was dealing with, but also had my personal pressure. I'm
thinking about the media, and they got their laptops open,
and they you know, they ring side and they waiting
us tonight tonight.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm thinking about that.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I'm thinking about what I'm gonna feel like on Sunday
morning when I wake up and realized, hey, man, like
man ain't going my way last night. I'm thinking about
all all that stuff, plus my opponent, and for me
in camp for my big fights, when I start getting
like three weeks out, two weeks out, my sleeps start
getting disrupted. Well now, when camp first started, I'm so tired.
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I'm sleeping deep ten hours now, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm
you know, I'm here and there with it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I'm napping it even at night.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
It's like I'll sleep, but I you know, I wake
up in cold sweats when the fight would get closer,
and it was just it was just my mind and
my body letting me know that it's almost there. But
I learned, man at a young age, man how to
how to how to how to handle that pressure my way,
because we all feel it and the fear. You have thoughts, man,
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what if I don't What if this is the last
time I get in a ring?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
What if I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I know they got plans for after the fight, we
got a vacation play, but what if I'm make it out?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That stuff you really think about.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Of course, I think the great ones just final way
to deal with the pressure, the way they deal with
When I look at like Crawford.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
This is the biggest fight he's ever been in.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Canelo has more big fight experience, but Crawford's been in
big moments, He's had the pressure of being undefeated, He's
dealt with all the stuff you can deal with in boxing.
So it's just interesting thinking about how is he dealing
with the pressure going into this fight. And then even Canelo,
even though Canelo's been in big moments, brother, you got
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to figure it out again because you got him on
the other side now. So I just wonder, like, what's
your thoughts on what they're dealing with right now. Though
they have experience, though they accomplished and all that stuff,
you still got to deal with it every time.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's very true. But it's like, honestly, man, when I
fought John Reese, I was and James Torny, I was
so I was so focused that losing was not an option,
you know what I'm saying. I mean, I had no time.
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That was the only time though, when that and second
one tell a Griffin fight, then were the only times
that I thought that ain't no such thing as I'm
not gonna be a tomorrow. You understand me, because oh
I'm definitely gonna I'm definitely with it. You understand me.
The rest of the times, like when I fight people
who weren't supposed to beat me, I go back by
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my house. I want to see all my stuff because
I want to see all my animals and stuff because
this maybe less time, I say. You know what I'm saying,
me I had that was one of my things. I
go to training camp. Before I go to report to
the site, I come to my house for two days,
look at all my animals, almost everything I love about
my life. Then I go fight because I may never
see it again. And that's how I took nine percent
of my fights. But those three, even if I did it,
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which I don't remember if I did it or not,
but those three, it wouldn't have wouldn't have died in
my mind if I was coming back, because that's just
how I made up my mind was because the bigger
the moment, the bigger I was for the moment. Feel
those were big moments for me, moment that most people
thought I won't even win when you tell him I'm
not gonna win, or I for me, I'm definitely winning
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this cause that's how the pressure goes, you know, understaying
me for me, That's how I took pressure. So when
I was a kid man, my dad used to call
me at the devil. But it's like they tear me.
I can't do something and it wasn't illegal or it
wasn't wrong. I'm doing he gonna do it, you understand me,
Because just cause they say I can't, you know, if
I go up on top of the hot and say
you can't jump, I'm jumping cause that's just who I was,
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you know. And so when I get the opportunity to
do something that they think I can't do I'm gone.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
M What type of pressure you think Canelo got on him?
He's he's been there before, but this is again, this
is this is another battle, it's another war.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
No, he has a lot more pressure because it's another
battle of another war. But when you think about it,
if a guy from one thirty five come up and
beat you, it's gonna see a lot of things about
you to a lot of people. So he has more
pressure than he would if he was fighting the Master
because the Master is bigger than him physically, so people
would expect that the Monster might beat you because he's
bigger than you. But this man come up from one
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thirty five. If he beats you, we gotta go back
out and we look at the way we saw you,
and you're still in your prime now to him, to me,
to you and me, probably Canelo's really a little bit
older because he's been around since he was fifteen miles
you understand me. But age wise, in normal life, normal life,
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now he's in his prime. So if he loses to
a guy that came from one thirty five, it's gonna
be pretty rough for him. So that's why I think
the pressure thing is gonna make him tighten up a
little bit more than he probably normally would. That's why
I think the hunger may come from for him, because
he knows that if he loses to Bud, his negacy
is definitely gonna be affected.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
You know, the hungred a lot of times, even if
you're struggling to be hungry, it come from a danger
knowing that what's around the corner.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I ain't gonna say he worried about the danger because
I ain't really seen nobody hurt. Canelo.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I'm saying, when you know you got a real dude,
that's gonna make you get up and you're gonna find
that hunger. Yeah, but it's levels of when he fall floored.
He didn't have the danger getting knocked out. He had
the danger of what happened happening. You feel me like
his levels of danger, danger and always getting clear danger
could be Man, you really embarrassed me tonight.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Man, it made me look like I was I didn't
belong here tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
That could happen. But I don't think he's thinking like that.
That's why.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No, no, no, I'm saying that was the reality that night.
So I'm saying like, no matter when you get in
the ring, the danger may be different. I may you
may not be a devastating puncher, but man, you dude,
you you could really fight.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, but as a bigger guy, when a guy come
up like that, it's hard for you to see him
and be and be had that same pressure because you
feel like you when you in out mind, you always
gonna be one forty pound, I want that a five pounds.
So it's like like, for instance, and I'm not you know,
I don't talk about no, I'm not trying to talk
about nobody. But when I thought Tito, I told my
bicycle week before the fight, Tito is a welthweek. Tito
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not beat me.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, not pulling out of this fight.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You feel me, He I don't care. I ain't got
but a half on if I got to have one.
He's not beating me. He's too small, you feel me.
I don't care if he beats he's too That's just,
that's just, that's why. That's why most of the time,
bigger guy don't chall the little guys because they don't
see them as a real threat. You feel me, so,
and that could also come at to haunt you because
you may not look at him like that. You may
look at him like he's a really true that one
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forty seven pound pounder, but this guy ain't. This guy
really is a sixteen pounder.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Now, So man, I want to shift gears to you know.
Late November November twenty second, Riari Seasons called the Knight
of Champions Turkey coming out with a bang. Man with
this one. Five world title fights, Arthur Betta Biev versus
Dion Nicholson. The main event is David Benavetez and Anthony Yard.
You got Devin Haney and Brian Norman. That's probably the
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fight that's been talked about the most over the last month.
Aduela Mason against Sam Noakes his first title shot. Sam
Noaks is is a tough fighter. And then you got
Jesse Rodriguez against Fernando Martinez. Out of out of these fights, man,
talk to me about one or two of these fights,
what's show what's you most excited about?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Well, I'm really most excited about out Hany and Norman
because it's like the guy who's been there and the
guy who's trying to get there. The guy who's been
there want to get back the guy who's trying to
get there, want to get there. So that's when Thow's
Hunger fight. It's like you cant name that the Hunger
Games because both guys are hungry for different reasons. Yes,
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you'll understand me. So that's the one that's most interesting
to me. However, I do want to see what type
of performance Anthony York can bring against the monster, because
the monster is the monster you aready suffered. I think
I lost to before, but he's still a worthy opponent,
and I want to see if he changes his game
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in it they trying to fight the monster, because sometime
a lost can teach you something we never know. I
know he lost the covial left. Think he lost one more,
I'm not sure, but the fight with Covid left was
a great experience teacher for him. I won't see how
much he learned. So to see him get back all
the way back to where he's challenging again for the
light Hipway titles and beautiful thing. And you know, the
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monster gonna always be the monster, so we knew what
he gonna do. You understand me, That's not nothing question.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
There man, y'all, y'all get in there, y'all get a
lot of tough fight.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
He don't get no easy he had.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
He had some easier fights on the way up, but
he's not He's not getting no easy fights right.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Now right He ain't get no easy fights. But that's
why I say, I think experience has been his best teacher.
And we'll see now was he able to put it
together yet? Because if we don't put it together this time,
I don't know who might see him.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, I'm excited about Abdullah Mason too. This dude Sam
noakes he tough, but Abdullah is you know, obviously passed
the eye test. He didn't touch the canvas, got up,
and I believe he stopped the dude in his fight.
So he's checking boxes along the way and I'm excited
to see and finally get that shot because I believe
if he wins this fighting, it's gonna elevate his game
and take him to the next level. I love Haini
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Norman for all the reasons you said, And you know,
it's like a crossroads fight for Devin Haney, but it's
also a cross roads fight in a sense for Norman
because Norman is the type of guy that you know,
if he loses, nobody's gonna do him no favors. It's
not a big name right now, so but he's tough
and he's respectable. And let's talk about that fight for
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a second. Man, Because Devin Haney lost the fight to
Ryan Garcia the way that he did, he came back
and fought his last fight on the New York card.
A lot of people didn't like the performance. You can
see he's still dealing with some residue from the Ryan
Garcia fight. Now you're facing the dude like Brian Norman,
and Devin is also going up. He's going up in wait.
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Brian Norman is a tricky fighter because clearly he can
punch that's off the table. When you watch him at
first glance, it's like, oh man, you know, his feet
look a little slow, you look a little bit methodical.
All he has his power. But when the more you
watch him, the better he gets. What's interesting about him
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is he don't have a rhythm. Certain guys have a
rhythm and you start to time the rhythm and it's
not easy, but you once you know his rhythm, that's
half the battle.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
He doesn't really have a rhythm.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He throws off rhythm. He'll be he'll duck down and
you'll think, Okay, he ain't gonna come with none, and
he'll come with something. You're like, dang, I ain't think
he will come with that in.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That spot, in that situation.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
How do you see that that fight playing out giving
where both fighters are right now.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Ah, it's a tough fight, man, for both fighters. I'm
gonna say it like this though. My daughter always tells
me stuff, and she said, she always say, you know,
the streets are talking. I live in hims Coolina, Florida,
which is a four and a half five hour drive
from Atlanta. I've been hearing by this kid, Brian Norman
for five years. Really, you understand me. The street's been
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telling me about Brian Norman for five years.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Really.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I finally talked to him for the first time about
two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Real guy, smart guy, hungry guy. You understand me, Not
like these young guys who now just out for the
money or out for the crazy things and wanna look
good and look fash. No, no, no, no. He from
the old school. He want to be the best in
the game of this week class. You understand mean, he's
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a student of the game. That's dangerous because when you
take a guy. And what's so funny about it is
that fight not as not on the same skill level,
but it's kind of like the Crawford Canelal fight. One
guy never got the credibility yet, you understand me, because
Crawford is understuted the champel. But peoplen't give him a credibility. No,
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people don't give him a notoriety. He's been around all
the time that Floyd came back. Nobody never asks for him.
Everybody's kind of like he's not there, you know what
I'm saying me, So he don't get the credibility that
he deserves. Now is his chance to seize that moment.
You understanding me, This is his Marvin Hagler's Sugarray Literar fight,
because Marvin never got credibility until he pat Sugari. You
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understand what come from. This is his coming out party.
Even at thirty years old, it's still coming out party.
For Brian Norman, this is his coming out party, and
I'm sure he's looking at it that way. For Hanni
on the other side, he has everything to lose, not
a lot to game, because if you lose to him,
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he lost to a guy coming up or coming up
in the game, not necessarily the weight, but coming up
in the game, because nobody really knows Brian like that yet.
But if Brian beats you, Brian becomes a household name
and Brian knows that. So Hanni has more experience. Hanni
probably has a little better skill set because he's been
around a little bit longer, a lot longer actually, But
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this kid is home. So it's a fight where you
got a good, pretty good skill level and you got nothing,
maybe not the big skill level, but hunger with a
pretty good skill level, that's always gonna make for a
great fight.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, it's a It's a dangerous fight for both guys
for different reasons. Dangerous for Norman, like I said, because
if Devin puts on a kind of performance that that
shuts him down and exposes his weak this is and
he can't get the big shot off, or maybe he
lands in and Devin takes the shot and and and
you know fights the way we know he can fight.
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It's it's gonna be tough to climb back up. So
it's dangerous in that sense. But when I see Norman
and his father talking, and I know it's just it's
just talk, but they really believe it. I know you
talk to him, but when you hear them, they really
believe it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
They really believe that they.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Just gonna touch Devon on the chin and the.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Fight gonna be over and that that.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
You know, that's good to feel that way, but it's
also dangerous because what if that don't happen.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I was always talking you know, what to depending on
not king a guy. Yes, if you don't, you got
a problem in he go out there looking and not
diving out and he probably might end up with a
problem because Devin does have skill. Yeah, Devin does have experience. Yeah,
and Devin does have a heart.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know, he just got like you said, little do
from the Rhyde fight. But it ain't Devin's no bomb.
Devin knows how to fight.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And that's one thing even if you talk, no matter
who you talk to. And people don't give him credit
for this, but Devin Hainey like the fight that everybody
points to, the Ryan Garcia fight. Oh look at you,
look at Look what happened. Look what happen to your jaw?
If I'm Devin, I'm like here, let's point to that fight.
That's the one y'all want to point to. Let's point
to that fight. No, I didn't perform who I.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Was supposed to.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I didn't execute. They ain't started off bad early and
it was hard to recover. But I got knocked down
multiple times. My jaw was swollen, and I heard Bill
say there, if you're good, you know, if you don't
want to continue, all you gotta do is lean in
and say, pops, I can't do it. So since we
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want to point to that fight, let's point to that fight.
If I'm devn trying to rebuild them, get my mind right,
I'm going to that fight saying, look, you didn't perform
the way you were supposed to, and you need to
figure that out. But in terms of.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
This, it's death. It's death.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I got that, and I believe he can take a shot.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Ryan Garcia can punch.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
That's why Javonte made him cut the weight and had
weight clause because I'm trying to take some of the
steam off of that so he can punch. So I
think with Devin Man, if he has the right game
plan and the right mentality, I think he can really shine.
But and the same thing with Brian Norman. Brian Norman
can't go in there just thinking it's gonna be a
power show. And then he may land a shot his
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box and anything can happened, bro, Like you know anybody
saying that nobody can't land a shot, But you got
to have more than just that, because if that, if
you can't reach that, or if you laying that shot
and all of a sudden he's still looking at you,
what else are we gonna do? So I think that man,
given where they are, Man, I think this this fight
may still the show, and this is the fight that
I'm probably most intrigued about because of the storyline, because
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of where.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
These fighters are.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I want to see what Devin Haney can pull out
the hat. I want to see him call it up
and and resurrect his status in the eyes of the
people to say, no, y'all thought y'all thought that ruined me,
But I'm still here. And I want to see if
Brian Norman can make that name that he's looking to make.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Because if he can beat Devin Haney, he's up there.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Like you said, He's no longer gonna be unknown and
the money gonna keep going up. So I think it's
a it's a tremendous matchup man and it's a dope card.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I'm looking forward to you, said Author bitter beer on
that too. Yeah, listen, I'm always eager to watch Author
is out there to knock somebody out. Authors that to
do watch his boxing for you know what I'm saying me,
And I'm always eager and love to see Author fight
because Author is the light hippyweight version of Mike Tyson,
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seek and destroy us all he wants, all he wants,
So I'm always eager to see him fight. I don't
know it's opponent that will, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You know, and you can see the way he trained,
the way he trained his power and strength or you know, explosion.
We're gonna end it right there, man, I said. I
hope you all enjoyed it. The first episode of the
Hall of Game. You put your picks in the comments
section for the big fight against Canelo Alvarez Terrence Crawford
Saturday night, September thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Man, don't don't be just writing anything, man, say.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
What your chest like, put it in the comments section
like you really really mean it, and don't walk that
thing back Sunday morning. Appreciate y'all
Whatever the word Jones dream hang out with my man
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
A Hall of Fame worth a game Bill Rogers. So
let's get into it, man, Yeah, you know where I'm
going with this first topic. I want to get into
the biggest fight in boxing right now, Canelo Alvarez and
Terrence Crawford September thirteenth, Mexican Independence Day at a Legion Stadium.
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As the fight gets closer, we're gonna get more in
depth about.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
The x's and o's and what each guy needs to do.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
But when you first hear about this fight at a
high level, how do you see this fight playing out?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
When I first hear about it, Dre, I like a
lot of things about the fight. I like that Bully
took his time winning, beefed up early because he knew
it was coming. So when you got time to get
ready and get right, that's a big thing. You can't
take nothing away from Canelo. Canelo has been there for
a while, great puncher, great boxer, puncher. If Bud can
take the punch, which we're pretty sure he can do,
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we will have a good fight on our hands. I
think there are several ways for Bud to win it,
but one way for Canelo to lose it. I ain't
gonna disclose none of that, but that's just my thing.
We get close exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But do you feel you feel comfortable saying who the winner?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Who you think then be not.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm not gonna say I'm gonna feel comfortable saying it
because I like both guys, and when you got two
guys of their caliber, you can't really count you the
guy out. You know that yourself. Budd is a champion.
That says a lot. And on top of that, Budd
is still hungry. You understand me. Canelo did this thing too,
but I don't know if he got that hunger still
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left in him. You understand me, And that's what I think.
That's the only thing that bothers me. If he's still hungry,
then were in for a good knight. But he's not hungry.
It's gonna be rough.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, I agree, man, I know it's gonna be it's
a great it's gonna be a great fight. And it's
not a lot of matchups in boxing that you can
guarantee a great Knight like you can guarantee it's gonna
be a great fight question. And I say that because
just following both guys throughout the years, they both they
both got that the intangibles, the stuff you can't see
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unless you know what you're looking at. The stuff it
ain't an X and O things. It's here right like,
it's that stubbornness for greatness. Like like Canelo, though he's
had some mishaps, he's had some draws, he's had some losses.
I feel like if you ask Canelo what happened there,
he's got a perfectly good reason why that happens, right right.
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He don't have a definitive loss, per se, I mean
bev all, but you know he can still say I
moved up and wait yeah, or you know now I
thought I want that.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
He hasn't been like beat up ever in his career.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Now Floyd dominated him, and to a degree, Floyd, you know,
Floyd beat him up to a degree from a boxing standpoint,
not like you know, bloody, but just frustrated him had
too much skill all that stuff. So I feel like
even though Canelo has had some mishaps, the confidence is
still there because he like, I got a good reason
why I had a couple.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Of draws and I had a couple of losses.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
For Terrence, he's never been turned away as a professional,
he's never been beaten, and.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We don't have a blueprint on how to beat him
at all.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know what you're looking at you Every fighter has holes,
every fighters has weaknesses, but nobody's been able to exploit
his weaknesses to a point where he can take an
al So for me, it's a dangerous fight for both
God people think the dangers just going Canelo's way to Crawford. No,
they're both dangerous, and I think both fighters understand that.
And it's not even the skill stuff. It's this like
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his mentality is men, I got to win to die.
Anything can happen now. I don't you know, I'm not
gonna give my you know, my.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Full breakdown just yet.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I don't see a scenario where Canelo can outwork Terrence
Crawford around after round and win on a points decision.
I think he's either gonna have to hurt him and
then finish him or just knock him out. And I
think Terrence Crawford obviously can win on points. He's more active,
he's you know, he's you know, he's gonna be throwing
more punches. And here's the thing, bro, he can also
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hurt Canelo. And when you hurt somebody, you don't always
see a visible leg.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Shake fighters or are resilient.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
They'll they'll poker face that thing and you'll never know.
But both fighters got to respect the other person's power.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And like you said to me, when you're saying this,
that's the same thing I'm saying. When I see hunger,
that hunger has to be there. We know Bud keep
that hunger because he want to win. He never lost Canelo.
We don't know if he got their hunger still, and.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I think he still does.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I mean to what degree you got to see when
it gets rough, But I think he still has that.
I think he still has it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Okay, if he has, it's gonna be for a great night.
But they both gonna need it, of course they are.
September thirteenth. They both don't need it, of course they are.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And no matter what the fans say, no matter.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
What we say.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They both know that.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Of course, you know, if this fight gets closer, we're
gonna we're gonna get more into the you know, punch
for punch and x's and o's. But I like talking
about everything surrounding the fight. When you saw the fighters
around each other interacted. When you saw the press conference,
people say, oh, who won the press conference? I don't
think nobody wins the press conference, but you do get
to pick up on some things. What did you pick
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up when you saw the press tour?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What I picked up on was that Canellis tried to
see if he could punk Bud and that didn't work.
So box some one X you did that didn't work,
you understand me. So we only number two now. But
I think that the initial thing was now that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well. How you think he tried to try to punk him.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I think he did push him with something, right, Yeah,
they pushed him and.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Uh Bood pressed up on him first, though Bud pretty
much walked him down and said, but.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
They both trying each other, you know what I'm saying.
But when he pushed Bud, But know you ain't gona
run over me too. But to me, that's Canilo also
trying to say, hey, I'm bigger, I'm stronger, I'm gonna
let you feel my weight, right, you know so, because
when you touch a guy in boxing, you know what
that means. Yeah, you fit me out, trying to see
you understand me, So keep your hands off, and you're
really not supposed to put your hands That's why I
say keep your hands off, and so he did, though.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But I respect, I respect what Canelo did too, because
you're not gonna walk me down either, because you feel
what you're trying to do there too. You may not
have put your hands on me, but you bodying me
and you're trying to press me back to send me
a message, and we can't.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Go for that exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
But I liked it. I think both fighters got just
as much as they gave. You know, everybody so quick
to want to pick a winner and pick this and
then man, when you got, when you got skill set
at this level, when you got this level of stubbornness,
when you got when you got this much experience, when
you got dudes that that haven't been turned away either
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at all, in Terrence Craffer's or in Canelo's case, very
often you can't pick a player call winner.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You never can. That's why. That's why I said, you
know that night gonna till the story. But going in
we all have our favorites in the way we think,
but we never know until we see. Because like you say,
if Canelo come out the thing hungry tough night.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Talk to me about the weight jump. You had a
significant weight jump from I mean you went all the
way up. I think you started fifty four, right around
fifty sixty four and you ended up becoming the heavyweight
champion of the world. It's a lot of weight classes
in between that, but you did a big jump from
seventy five to two hundred Was it two hundred right
down two or five?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Two hundred?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So what is that twenty five pounds? Bud?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
It's campaigned at thirty five forty forty seven. Then he
jumped up to one hundred and fifty four pounds Di
Vision Junior middleweight to fight Ma Jamal, and a lot
of people had a lot to say about that performance.
Then he says, Okay, I'm going two more weight classes.
I'm skipping sixty and I'm gonna meet you at sixty eight.
What I know about Budd and I don't have no
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numbers or no personal knowledge from that standpoint, but bud
gets big in between fights, right. Some of it is
just you know, normal factcause what you want to eat.
Some of it is muscle. And I don't think people
realize how much he's been boiling down to make forty
and even forty seven. So now people are seeing him
and they're like, oh my god, he's so big, and really,
I'm just not having to boil myself down.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That's all it is.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I can eat more, still train hard, but eat more.
How much of a factor is the weight going to
be in this fight?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I don't think the weight is going to be affected
at all, mainly because what you just said, when you
especially for him, when you have to boil down to
forty seven, he's coming from seventy five or eighty. He
gonna have to boil down to sixty eight. Now you
understand me, because the treat went above sixty eight before
he started training. So it's like when you got to
boil down to whatever, you're still boiling down. That boiling
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down process your body understands. Once your body starts doing,
starts to realize or understand what you're doing. Your body
knows where to go right away. You know what that mean?
When you see your opponent, your body nose right then
where we going? You understand? So your body is like
when I would get to a press conference, like before
the fight started, like the first the initial press coff
we have the initial press conference, my body changes from
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that day. My body's start like I don't want soda.
I don't even want candle because my body knows, oh yeah,
it's work time, you feel me. So his body knows
the same thing. So the fact that this time and
then like when I went up to heavy weight, he
actually gotta pull it down to super middle. That's that's
what those people don't know. I had to go up.
I had to eat and lift my way up. He's
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boiling down still, just like Canelo wheels to make six
stick you understaying. That's a different ball game. That's a
different animal. Now he may not put on as much
as the Canelo would put back home, but he's gonna
put it on a little bit.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be a factor. But I
don't think it's gonna be the factor. No, I think
I think Terrence is gonna he's gonna feel it. He's
gonna feel it when they get inside. He's going to,
I think, feel it when the punch is land when
he gets a certain reaction. He may not get that
reaction at least early from Canelo. And that's not just
because Canelo has a sturdy frame or he's bigger. But
Canelo's got underrated defense, right. You know, he don't move
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his legs a lot, but it's more from the waist ard, right.
So I think it'll be a factor, but not not
that big of a factor. But it's a good point
that you made. When I went up to light heavyweight,
I followed in your footsteps and I went consulted with
Mackie Shieldstone.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
In New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And Mackie, you know, he's got the experience, but he's
also working off for a science too.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
He says, first time I ever heard about a Dexas skin.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So you gotta get a dexa skin went in there
and that tells you bone density, body fat, all the stuff.
And I kept telling himim, like, man, I'm going up
to seventy five, going up to seventy five. He said,
You're not going up to seventy five. You're still cutting weight.
He said, you're He said, you see the DEXA, you're
one eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
He said, you're cutting to make one seventy five.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And it just I just sat there for a second.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I was like, dang, you right exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He said, you're not going up in waight, You're just
not losing much exactly, And he put it in perspective
for me. And and that's the same exact thing that's
going on with Terren S. Crawff.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't know what he weighs, but if I had
to guess, I think he for show highest seventies.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I think I think the.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Hiatus, maybe even hiaiis made.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The hiais so it will be a factor, but I
don't think it's gonna be that amount of factor. But
what about the punch and power? Because I'm watching some
tape this morning, right and and you know, I'm just looking.
I don't think Terrece Crawford gonna stop hitting hard all
of a sudden at thirty seven, thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
He's not the thing about it is with people that
failed to realize is it's about technique. When you can punch,
and you knowing this too, when you can punch, he
don't matter how much you wait, you can touch. See.
What they don't realize is when I fought John Reis,
I still was twenty six pounds black in him. Yep,
you know what I'm saying. He hit him on the button,
but the punch of power is shocked. You understand me,
Then you go back. Hold the field photo. Lennox Lewis
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he for the lot Ridick both, He for all those
big guys, But those big guys had to reapt because
of the punch and power. He was able to get
their respect because he had technical punching power, not just
by luck or not a guy who just could box.
But when he went up and wait, his technique went
out the one door. No, when your technique go up
with you, you're gonna stay powerful. And that's what I
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think gonna happen here now. Bud has never been ready known, well,
neither one of them truly haven't been ready known as
one punch knockout guys. That's what those people don't realize.
Canelo has not been known as a one punch knockout guy. Yeah,
he got to a kid from Texas who was your
suspect chain and the color who we know was three
way classes up and ain't been known for the best chance.
But then the only two guys he got will knockout
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punches one shot. Everybody else has kind of been an accumulation.
If he knocked him out, you know, said, I mean
and Bud the same thing. Bud got maybe one or
two one punch knockouts, but most of them are accumulation.
So neither guy to me has been known for having
a super punch and power. But if Bud has his
extra weight on, his punch and power might increase with
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the weak mine did.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
If he keeps the weight on right.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, but the question is, you know what everybody's asking,
and Terrence is gonna have to answer this. You know,
can he take anellow shot?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That's what I said. That's the first thing we've got
to figure out. Can he take that shot? Because yeah,
you could do it in sixty ounds clubs. When I
did it, I did it in sixteen ounds club its
spawn it was different. But I was like, okay, y'all,
I can deal with this. But when you get in
that hipway fight with them tens and that tens scrape
that chin, now you find out what the real effects
are that he gained no more that ten scrapes that chin.
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You know, now you find out what the truth is
so and then, And that's why I say there are
a lot of questions that are gonna have to be
answered on that night, No matter how much we sit
there and go back and forth, no matter how much
the coaches in the train and go back and forth,
the questions really gonna be answered right there in that
square because he got to be able to take his
punch and he got to know how to fight him. Simple,
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that's the main two things. Can you take his punch?
And do you know how to fight him? Because, like
you said, that real has never been solved? Understand me,
but he is way up and weight, So can you
take his budget?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
You?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Can you do it? Nobody else it's done? Can you
solve that real?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
What type of mindset does does Bud have to have
to want to jump up there? And what type of
mindset does Canelo have to have to say? Man, I'm
facing the dude that if I beat him, they're gonna
say he was too small, But he's dangerous enough to
beat me. So they both got two different mindsets when
they say yes to this fight.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Here, they do have two different mindsets. But Canelo, right,
if he loses, they gonna say you lost to a
smaller guy. But this smaller guy, bad man. It's the
only guy to ever be undisputed champion. Yeah, in three
weight classes.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think he going for three time.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Right now, we're going through the wa Okay, we're going
through Okay, I think he want But anyway, this ain't
no ordinary small guy. That's right.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Just me.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
When jer Rowice lost to Roy Jones, he didn't lose
no ordinary small guy. Yeah, you understand me. So if
you lose Canelo, you're not losing to an ordinary small guy.
So you're going to take that in mind for even
things like that. Understand me. Butter, on the other hand,
if you lose, yeah, a lot of people ain't giving
you a chance against Canelo anyway because you started up
one thirty five, right, But if you win, your name
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gotta go up there with Usik amongst the best. You
understand me. Because Usik's name has clearly risen to the
top of the heavyweight chain because of what he's been
able to do. You understand me. So you beat Canillo,
your name going to the top of that chain too,
because you're gonna be the reweight division.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
You understand me, Canelo, if he's able to pull this off,
he got to give full credit for this.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
He does because he didn't have to take it because.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
He wasn't He wasn't calling Terrence out, he wasn't trying
to chase, you know, a smaller man or nothing like that.
His name kept getting called, and you know he answered
the call. You know, Turkey made it to a point
where it's probably hard to say.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
No good thing that or Andre what. What I'm happy
about tu though, is guess what. They having a big fight,
a showdown fight. But they're both getting paid for the efforts,
both getting paid for the efforts. How much time did
we do that and not get paid for our effort?
But we love the sport, so we did it because
we loved the support. They're both getting paid for their effort.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's why, like, you know, I get a lot of
questions about Turkey. What do you think? What do you think?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
What he think?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And my thing is is like I don't know what
I think. Just just wait and see ye give it
some time. I don't like that he did this, and
give it some time because I don't care who was
at the helm of the sport or who was a
top promoters, top couple promoters who like ain't nobody a
saint where they not doing nothing. Everybody's got their way
of doing things and not everybody's gonna like it. But
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one thing you cannot say about Turkey is that he's
not paying these guys. For so long in boxing it's
high risk, the least amount of reward and the suits
and everybody else who's not getting hit. We want to
try to see if you know enough to say something
because of not that we're gonna we're gonna chop this
up and then give you what that's the most you
ever made. That's not the point. Point is is I
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deserve this and you're giving me something lesson. And so
one thing you cannot take from Turkey yla chic is
that he is paying these fighters.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He's changing some of their lives, even the.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Guys that ain't the elite guys, Guys that may make
five hundred now they making two, making a million, making
eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Man, I respect that, Yeah, I do too, and I
got it. While we're on that subject, got to say
the same thing about Jake Paul. You know he doing
the same thing for the women. He making the women
more money than they ever dreamed of making. And to
see him do that, my head goes off the same
with both of them, because when you're paying fighters what
they deserve or they're given.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
They'll just do.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I got to give you credit.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
He giving them the exposure to of course, you know,
so that the people that say that, you know, and
I said this on the on the air for Katie Taylor. Man,
it's AROUNDO. You know a lot of people I don't.
Nobody wants to see women's boxing, and those those narratives
start to live out there, right.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But he's giving them.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He's not only paying, nobody's putting them in position visibility
so you can see him. So you set me in
I'm gonna put you in a position. You say, you
say you can fight, I'm about to put you in
positions so we can see. So you gotta respect that
man with him and what Nikisa are doing. Man, it's
a doupte thing. How did you deal with your with
your big pressure moments. I'm not saying like like the
night of the fight. I'm saying in training camp. I'm
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talking about when you know you're fighting another real Yeah,
how did you deal with it throughout training camp.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
For me, man, I grew up on a farm and
I watched a lot of animals, and with animals in
the day, a tough opponent or a worthy opponent may
turn that corner. So I learned as a kid that
every day is a good day, but be ready because
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you never know what might turn that corner. So I
didn't talk a lot of smack because you can't talk
smack until you did that. In my opinion, that's how
I was taught. The Amba didn't crow, or the ama
didn't roar, or they didn't mate until they handle their business,
you understand me. Then they did they talk and they
row and they crow or whatever. You know. I was
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taught that you handled your business first, then you talking. No, no,
you're not. We're not gonna let nobody just come upoint
you and talk any count Wait, like Canelo got him,
back off him because that's a form of disrespect, you
understand me, So you're not going to allow that. But
it's like, you know, when I was in training camp
for those big fights, I looked there every day like
I was happy. I know, this is my chance to
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show people what I really am, who I already am
and that's what I live for. So I loved it, but.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I'm dealing with pressure.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I get quiet, I get quiet.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I don't especially as especially as the fight gets closer.
You know, it's almost like I'm you know, it's like
the lion, right, Like the lion is storing up energy
all day in a while because he got a hunt,
and I don't know, I may fight for my life
while I'm going to hunt for my family. So you know,
there was times that I, you know, I would I
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would have a good time with my team during camp
and we laugh and share some laughs. But for me,
the pressure was always there because vergens to tease me,
you know, on my bad days, Man's man, you a
head case because I just wanted everything to be per
I make it off the ring, like man, Man we
three weeks out. Man, I looked terrible today, said what
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you mean? You look terrible? You came in here tired,
then you went ten rounds. You didn't look great, but
you you got through.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He's always trying to find that that silver lining.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And you know, I like to call myself a recovering perfectionist,
you know what I'm saying, working on it, but I
hadn't lost.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Roy in a long time. Man.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know, so I was twelve years old, thirteen years old.
He's like, man, it would have been good for you
to take that ale, to get that pressure.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Off of you early.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I'm like, why why you saying it? Because I carried
a lot, so I had the pressure of who I
was dealing with, but also had my personal pressure. I'm
thinking about the media, and they got their laptops open,
and they you know, they ring side and they waiting
us tonight tonight.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I'm thinking about that.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I'm thinking about what I'm gonna feel like on Sunday
morning when I wake up and realized, hey, man, like
man ain't going my way last night. I'm thinking about
all all that stuff, plus my opponent, and for me
in camp for my big fights, when I start getting
like three weeks out, two weeks out, my sleeps start
getting disrupted. Well now, when camp first started, I'm so tired.
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I'm sleeping deep ten hours now, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm
you know, I'm here and there with it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I'm napping it even at night.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
It's like I'll sleep, but I you know, I wake
up in cold sweats when the fight would get closer,
and it was just it was just my mind and
my body letting me know that it's almost there. But
I learned, man at a young age, man how to
how to how to how to handle that pressure my way,
because we all feel it and the fear. You have thoughts, man,
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what if I don't What if this is the last
time I get in a ring?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
What if I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I know they got plans for after the fight, we
got a vacation play, but what if I'm make it out?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That stuff you really think about.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Of course, I think the great ones just final way
to deal with the pressure, the way they deal with
When I look at like Crawford.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
This is the biggest fight he's ever been in.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Canelo has more big fight experience, but Crawford's been in
big moments, He's had the pressure of being undefeated, He's
dealt with all the stuff you can deal with in boxing.
So it's just interesting thinking about how is he dealing
with the pressure going into this fight. And then even Canelo,
even though Canelo's been in big moments, brother, you got
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to figure it out again because you got him on
the other side now. So I just wonder, like, what's
your thoughts on what they're dealing with right now. Though
they have experience, though they accomplished and all that stuff,
you still got to deal with it every time.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's very true. But it's like, honestly, man, when I
fought John Reese, I was and James Torny, I was
so I was so focused that losing was not an option,
you know what I'm saying. I mean, I had no time.
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That was the only time though, when that and second
one tell a Griffin fight, then were the only times
that I thought that ain't no such thing as I'm
not gonna be a tomorrow. You understand me, because oh
I'm definitely gonna I'm definitely with it. You understand me.
The rest of the times, like when I fight people
who weren't supposed to beat me, I go back by
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my house. I want to see all my stuff because
I want to see all my animals and stuff because
this maybe less time, I say. You know what I'm saying,
me I had that was one of my things. I
go to training camp. Before I go to report to
the site, I come to my house for two days,
look at all my animals, almost everything I love about
my life. Then I go fight because I may never
see it again. And that's how I took nine percent
of my fights. But those three, even if I did it,
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which I don't remember if I did it or not,
but those three, it wouldn't have wouldn't have died in
my mind if I was coming back, because that's just
how I made up my mind was because the bigger
the moment, the bigger I was for the moment. Feel
those were big moments for me, moment that most people
thought I won't even win when you tell him I'm
not gonna win, or I for me, I'm definitely winning
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this cause that's how the pressure goes, you know, understaying
me for me, That's how I took pressure. So when
I was a kid man, my dad used to call
me at the devil. But it's like they tear me.
I can't do something and it wasn't illegal or it
wasn't wrong. I'm doing he gonna do it, you understand me,
Because just cause they say I can't, you know, if
I go up on top of the hot and say
you can't jump, I'm jumping cause that's just who I was,
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you know. And so when I get the opportunity to
do something that they think I can't do I'm gone.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
M What type of pressure you think Canelo got on him?
He's he's been there before, but this is again, this
is this is another battle, it's another war.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
No, he has a lot more pressure because it's another
battle of another war. But when you think about it,
if a guy from one thirty five come up and
beat you, it's gonna see a lot of things about
you to a lot of people. So he has more
pressure than he would if he was fighting the Master
because the Master is bigger than him physically, so people
would expect that the Monster might beat you because he's
bigger than you. But this man come up from one
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thirty five. If he beats you, we gotta go back
out and we look at the way we saw you,
and you're still in your prime now to him, to me,
to you and me, probably Canelo's really a little bit
older because he's been around since he was fifteen miles
you understand me. But age wise, in normal life, normal life,
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now he's in his prime. So if he loses to
a guy that came from one thirty five, it's gonna
be pretty rough for him. So that's why I think
the pressure thing is gonna make him tighten up a
little bit more than he probably normally would. That's why
I think the hunger may come from for him, because
he knows that if he loses to Bud, his negacy
is definitely gonna be affected.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
You know, the hungred a lot of times, even if
you're struggling to be hungry, it come from a danger
knowing that what's around the corner.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I ain't gonna say he worried about the danger because
I ain't really seen nobody hurt. Canelo.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I'm saying, when you know you got a real dude,
that's gonna make you get up and you're gonna find
that hunger. Yeah, but it's levels of when he fall floored.
He didn't have the danger getting knocked out. He had
the danger of what happened happening. You feel me like
his levels of danger, danger and always getting clear danger
could be Man, you really embarrassed me tonight.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Man, it made me look like I was I didn't
belong here tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
That could happen. But I don't think he's thinking like that.
That's why.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No, no, no, I'm saying that was the reality that night.
So I'm saying like, no matter when you get in
the ring, the danger may be different. I may you
may not be a devastating puncher, but man, you dude,
you you could really fight.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, but as a bigger guy, when a guy come
up like that, it's hard for you to see him
and be and be had that same pressure because you
feel like you when you in out mind, you always
gonna be one forty pound, I want that a five pounds.
So it's like like, for instance, and I'm not you know,
I don't talk about no, I'm not trying to talk
about nobody. But when I thought Tito, I told my
bicycle week before the fight, Tito is a welthweek. Tito
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not beat me.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, not pulling out of this fight.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You feel me, He I don't care. I ain't got
but a half on if I got to have one.
He's not beating me. He's too small, you feel me.
I don't care if he beats he's too That's just,
that's just, that's why. That's why most of the time,
bigger guy don't chall the little guys because they don't
see them as a real threat. You feel me, so,
and that could also come at to haunt you because
you may not look at him like that. You may
look at him like he's a really true that one
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forty seven pound pounder, but this guy ain't. This guy
really is a sixteen pounder.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Now, So man, I want to shift gears to you know.
Late November November twenty second, Riari Seasons called the Knight
of Champions Turkey coming out with a bang. Man with
this one. Five world title fights, Arthur Betta Biev versus
Dion Nicholson. The main event is David Benavetez and Anthony Yard.
You got Devin Haney and Brian Norman. That's probably the
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fight that's been talked about the most over the last month.
Aduela Mason against Sam Noakes his first title shot. Sam
Noaks is is a tough fighter. And then you got
Jesse Rodriguez against Fernando Martinez. Out of out of these fights, man,
talk to me about one or two of these fights,
what's show what's you most excited about?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Well, I'm really most excited about out Hany and Norman
because it's like the guy who's been there and the
guy who's trying to get there. The guy who's been
there want to get back the guy who's trying to
get there, want to get there. So that's when Thow's
Hunger fight. It's like you cant name that the Hunger
Games because both guys are hungry for different reasons. Yes,
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you'll understand me. So that's the one that's most interesting
to me. However, I do want to see what type
of performance Anthony York can bring against the monster, because
the monster is the monster you aready suffered. I think
I lost to before, but he's still a worthy opponent,
and I want to see if he changes his game
(28:42):
in it they trying to fight the monster, because sometime
a lost can teach you something we never know. I
know he lost the covial left. Think he lost one more,
I'm not sure, but the fight with Covid left was
a great experience teacher for him. I won't see how
much he learned. So to see him get back all
the way back to where he's challenging again for the
light Hipway titles and beautiful thing. And you know, the
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monster gonna always be the monster, so we knew what
he gonna do. You understand me, That's not nothing question.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
There man, y'all, y'all get in there, y'all get a
lot of tough fight.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
He don't get no easy he had.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
He had some easier fights on the way up, but
he's not He's not getting no easy fights right.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Now right He ain't get no easy fights. But that's
why I say, I think experience has been his best teacher.
And we'll see now was he able to put it
together yet? Because if we don't put it together this time,
I don't know who might see him.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, I'm excited about Abdullah Mason too. This dude Sam
noakes he tough, but Abdullah is you know, obviously passed
the eye test. He didn't touch the canvas, got up,
and I believe he stopped the dude in his fight.
So he's checking boxes along the way and I'm excited
to see and finally get that shot because I believe
if he wins this fighting, it's gonna elevate his game
and take him to the next level. I love Haini
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Norman for all the reasons you said, And you know,
it's like a crossroads fight for Devin Haney, but it's
also a cross roads fight in a sense for Norman
because Norman is the type of guy that you know,
if he loses, nobody's gonna do him no favors. It's
not a big name right now, so but he's tough
and he's respectable. And let's talk about that fight for
(30:12):
a second. Man, Because Devin Haney lost the fight to
Ryan Garcia the way that he did, he came back
and fought his last fight on the New York card.
A lot of people didn't like the performance. You can
see he's still dealing with some residue from the Ryan
Garcia fight. Now you're facing the dude like Brian Norman,
and Devin is also going up. He's going up in wait.
(30:34):
Brian Norman is a tricky fighter because clearly he can
punch that's off the table. When you watch him at
first glance, it's like, oh man, you know, his feet
look a little slow, you look a little bit methodical.
All he has his power. But when the more you
watch him, the better he gets. What's interesting about him
(30:54):
is he don't have a rhythm. Certain guys have a
rhythm and you start to time the rhythm and it's
not easy, but you once you know his rhythm, that's
half the battle.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
He doesn't really have a rhythm.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He throws off rhythm. He'll be he'll duck down and
you'll think, Okay, he ain't gonna come with none, and
he'll come with something. You're like, dang, I ain't think
he will come with that in.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That spot, in that situation.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
How do you see that that fight playing out giving
where both fighters are right now.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Ah, it's a tough fight, man, for both fighters. I'm
gonna say it like this though. My daughter always tells
me stuff, and she said, she always say, you know,
the streets are talking. I live in hims Coolina, Florida,
which is a four and a half five hour drive
from Atlanta. I've been hearing by this kid, Brian Norman
for five years. Really, you understand me. The street's been
(31:38):
telling me about Brian Norman for five years.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Really.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I finally talked to him for the first time about
two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Real guy, smart guy, hungry guy. You understand me, Not
like these young guys who now just out for the
money or out for the crazy things and wanna look
good and look fash. No, no, no, no. He from
the old school. He want to be the best in
the game of this week class. You understand mean, he's
(32:05):
a student of the game. That's dangerous because when you
take a guy. And what's so funny about it is
that fight not as not on the same skill level,
but it's kind of like the Crawford Canelal fight. One
guy never got the credibility yet, you understand me, because
Crawford is understuted the champel. But peoplen't give him a credibility. No,
(32:26):
people don't give him a notoriety. He's been around all
the time that Floyd came back. Nobody never asks for him.
Everybody's kind of like he's not there, you know what
I'm saying me, So he don't get the credibility that
he deserves. Now is his chance to seize that moment.
You understanding me, This is his Marvin Hagler's Sugarray Literar fight,
because Marvin never got credibility until he pat Sugari. You
(32:49):
understand what come from. This is his coming out party.
Even at thirty years old, it's still coming out party.
For Brian Norman, this is his coming out party, and
I'm sure he's looking at it that way. For Hanni
on the other side, he has everything to lose, not
a lot to game, because if you lose to him,
(33:10):
he lost to a guy coming up or coming up
in the game, not necessarily the weight, but coming up
in the game, because nobody really knows Brian like that yet.
But if Brian beats you, Brian becomes a household name
and Brian knows that. So Hanni has more experience. Hanni
probably has a little better skill set because he's been
around a little bit longer, a lot longer actually, But
(33:31):
this kid is home. So it's a fight where you
got a good, pretty good skill level and you got nothing,
maybe not the big skill level, but hunger with a
pretty good skill level, that's always gonna make for a
great fight.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, it's a It's a dangerous fight for both guys
for different reasons. Dangerous for Norman, like I said, because
if Devin puts on a kind of performance that that
shuts him down and exposes his weak this is and
he can't get the big shot off, or maybe he
lands in and Devin takes the shot and and and
you know fights the way we know he can fight.
(34:09):
It's it's gonna be tough to climb back up. So
it's dangerous in that sense. But when I see Norman
and his father talking, and I know it's just it's
just talk, but they really believe it. I know you
talk to him, but when you hear them, they really
believe it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
They really believe that they.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Just gonna touch Devon on the chin and the.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Fight gonna be over and that that.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
You know, that's good to feel that way, but it's
also dangerous because what if that don't happen.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I was always talking you know, what to depending on
not king a guy. Yes, if you don't, you got
a problem in he go out there looking and not
diving out and he probably might end up with a
problem because Devin does have skill. Yeah, Devin does have experience. Yeah,
and Devin does have a heart.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know, he just got like you said, little do
from the Rhyde fight. But it ain't Devin's no bomb.
Devin knows how to fight.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And that's one thing even if you talk, no matter
who you talk to. And people don't give him credit
for this, but Devin Hainey like the fight that everybody
points to, the Ryan Garcia fight. Oh look at you,
look at Look what happened. Look what happen to your jaw?
If I'm Devin, I'm like here, let's point to that fight.
That's the one y'all want to point to. Let's point
to that fight. No, I didn't perform who I.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Was supposed to.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I didn't execute. They ain't started off bad early and
it was hard to recover. But I got knocked down
multiple times. My jaw was swollen, and I heard Bill
say there, if you're good, you know, if you don't
want to continue, all you gotta do is lean in
and say, pops, I can't do it. So since we
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want to point to that fight, let's point to that fight.
If I'm devn trying to rebuild them, get my mind right,
I'm going to that fight saying, look, you didn't perform
the way you were supposed to, and you need to
figure that out. But in terms of.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
This, it's death. It's death.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I got that, and I believe he can take a shot.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Ryan Garcia can punch.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
That's why Javonte made him cut the weight and had
weight clause because I'm trying to take some of the
steam off of that so he can punch. So I
think with Devin Man, if he has the right game
plan and the right mentality, I think he can really shine.
But and the same thing with Brian Norman. Brian Norman
can't go in there just thinking it's gonna be a
power show. And then he may land a shot his
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box and anything can happened, bro, Like you know anybody
saying that nobody can't land a shot, But you got
to have more than just that, because if that, if
you can't reach that, or if you laying that shot
and all of a sudden he's still looking at you,
what else are we gonna do? So I think that man,
given where they are, Man, I think this this fight
may still the show, and this is the fight that
I'm probably most intrigued about because of the storyline, because
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of where.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
These fighters are.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I want to see what Devin Haney can pull out
the hat. I want to see him call it up
and and resurrect his status in the eyes of the
people to say, no, y'all thought y'all thought that ruined me,
But I'm still here. And I want to see if
Brian Norman can make that name that he's looking to make.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Because if he can beat Devin Haney, he's up there.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Like you said, He's no longer gonna be unknown and
the money gonna keep going up. So I think it's
a it's a tremendous matchup man and it's a dope card.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I'm looking forward to you, said Author bitter beer on
that too. Yeah, listen, I'm always eager to watch Author
is out there to knock somebody out. Authors that to
do watch his boxing for you know what I'm saying me,
And I'm always eager and love to see Author fight
because Author is the light hippyweight version of Mike Tyson,
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seek and destroy us all he wants, all he wants,
So I'm always eager to see him fight. I don't
know it's opponent that will, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You know, and you can see the way he trained,
the way he trained his power and strength or you know, explosion.
We're gonna end it right there, man, I said. I
hope you all enjoyed it. The first episode of the
Hall of Game. You put your picks in the comments
section for the big fight against Canelo Alvarez Terrence Crawford
Saturday night, September thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Man, don't don't be just writing anything, man, say.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
What your chest like, put it in the comments section
like you really really mean it, and don't walk that
thing back Sunday morning. Appreciate y'all
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