September 16, 2025 • 51 mins
Boxing Hall of Famers Andre Ward and Roy Jones Jr. break down the epic showdown between Canelo Alvarez and Terence Crawford, where Crawford shocked the boxing world with a masterclass performance to become undisputed at super middleweight. They dissect the turning points, tactical brilliance, and what this win means for Crawford’s legacy. Plus, the two legends pay a heartfelt tribute to the late Ricky Hatton, honoring his grit and unforgettable impact on the sport.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Man.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We're coming off of a tremendous fight weekend, a b
a big day for the sport of boxing, A lot
to talk about. But before we get into that, we
got to start the show on a bit of a
you know, a sadder note. You know Ricky Hatton, nicknamed
the hit man from Manchester, England. We got the news
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the day after the big fight with Terrence Crawford and
Canelo Alvarez September fourteenth, in the early morning there was
a welfare check at the house of Ricky Hadden and
his body was found lifeless in that house and there's
no signs of foul play and an investigation is still
going forth. But man, Roy, what did you think and
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how did you feel when you got the news about Ricky?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Had very hard touching man. I had just seen him
not long ago. I hadn't think we were all that.
I think, matter of fact, it might have been the
Hall of Fame with something like that, and uh, you
know it was. It was a very tragic situation for
me because I've been knowing Ricky for quite some time
now and we share a mutual friend and Dennis Hobson,
who was basically more at one point. So it's kind
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of rough for me, even feeling bad for Dennis because
I know how close he and Dennis were. So yeah, man,
it's a touching situation. But I mean, we lost another
go we lost.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Another good one. And condolences to Ricky Hatton's family. Uh,
he survived by several children. I believe it's one son
and two daughters. He also had a grand baby and
his mother and his father still living. So just condolences
to the Haddon family. A devastating news. You know, my
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father died the same age as Ricky, at forty six
years old. We don't know how he died, but in
a similar fashion here today, going tomorrow. It's devastating to
say the least, the boxing community if we get nothing right.
We know how to rally in these types of situations
and moments and It's been a blessing just seeing everybody
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from all over the world show love and respect to
Ricky and his family, and to really just go over
his career and start to relive some of his big moments.
And I just want to take a moment to talk
a little bit about the first time I really started
to take notice of Ricky Hatting. I had been watching
him and hearing about this guy in England who wasn't
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always technically sound, but the man was ferocious in his approach.
He lived and trained and fought the same way. He
was on go at all times. And when I saw
him face Ricky, excuse me, when I saw him face
Costa Zoo in two thousand and five at sold at
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a sold outs Manchester Arena, and this is Costa Zoo.
This is a guy that you know can can can
really hurt you with that right hand, very physically strong,
and you just saw Ricky hadn't apply that. Ricky hadn't
approached mauling, brawling, relentless, not giving you any time to rest.
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That was the first time that I really took notice
of him. But one of my best memories of Ricky
was when he fought Floyd Mayweather sold out MGM Grand
Arena in two thousand and eight, and at that time,
Floyd was going back and forth between Dancing with the
Stars and I'm thinking in my mind as we're watching
the twenty four to seven, I'm like, brother, you better
lock in with Ricky Hatton.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
This ain't the guy to be playing with.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And Floyd eventually got eliminated from the show, finished his camp,
but I remember Floyd being in.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
His locker room and you could hear the crowd in
the arena.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
It's almost like the MGM Grand Arena was shaken because
you hear all these fans from the UK screaming there's
only one Ricky had done, and that thing was it
was lit, it was loud, and you can see Floyd
processing what he was getting ready to get into. Floyd
and never fought in front of a crowd like that before.
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So those are one of my fondest memories of Ricky,
And up to that point, at that time, I had
not seen a fan base travel for their guy like that.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Them mean a lot, and that shows you what he
meant to a lot of people, because he was the
first one, I think, to ever bring that magnitude of
people from that side of the world over to this side.
I think he bought at least twenty thousand plus fans
with him from the UK to the USC, and we
would never be able to get that many fans to
leave the USA and go to the UK. But twenty
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thousand plus came all the way across the pond for
Ricky Hattan. That showed you the kind of support, the
kind of love, and the kind of humidity he had
amongst his people. People always talk about, like I say again,
legacy and currency, But when you have a legacy where
that many people will follow you, it says more about
you than what currency ever could say. Ricky Hattan was
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truly a great man, a man that was loved by
his country, a man that was loved by his peers,
a man who meant a lot to the sport of
boxing because of how much he was loved. He brought
things to the sport that nobody else bought. I mean,
he was a rugged guy. No he wasn't the best boxer,
No he didn't have the best IQ, but he was
so rugged and he bought the best of what he
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bought to the table. Everybody understanding his work ethic overruled
all the technique and the technicalities, you know what I mean.
That work rate overruled all of that. So he dominated
in fights that those people to throw his skill level
should have never his skill lever should never beat Costazu.
But that determination and that and that heart and that
grit it beat Costa Zuke because he showed you that
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his grit was stronger than most of anybody we've ever seen.
He was like to me, he was a lighterweight version
of Jeoe Frazer. He wasn't stopping for nothing.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
He had a little bit of Roberto Durant in there
too on that inside game. Yes, he did getting that position,
moving that clutching that on moving and getting positioned and
ripping them body shots. I'm gonna say this last point
on Ricky before Ricky, before we move on. You know,
I appreciated his approach too, because he didn't take itself
too serious. You know, he was the hit man, but
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his fan base also called him, and he called himself
Ricky Fatton. This is a guy that was at one
hundred and forty pounds then eventually forty seven. It's a
guy that would get up to over two hundred pounds yep.
And it was well publicized his time spent in the
pub in Manchester playing darts, doing what they do. And
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you know, he says, I like to drink and I
like to eat, and he would get that weight off
every camp and boil down to one forty one forty
seven and go out there and compete, and it became
a whole thing with his fan base, and I just
appreciated his approach to the game. Very very tough blow
for the sport of boxing, especially coming off of high
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like Canelo and Crawford. Again, condolences to his whole family,
Condolences to his fan base.
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Speaker 3 (08:35):
I want to get into this weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I want to get into this experience that we all
had this weekend in Las Vegas at Allegiance Stadium. What
a way to break in a new stadium. Yes, there
never been a boxing match at Allegiant Stadium, even early
on when there was talks about this fight being moved
to MSG.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
We love Madison Square Guard and that's the boxing mecca.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
We get it.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But if felt like the fight should be at Allegiant Stadium.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I mean, just looking at that stadium from the outside end,
it just feels like that's where that fight should take place.
And before I get into the business that happened in
the ring, I want to get into the business that
this fight produced outside the ring. The gross revenue is
being reported at forty seven million, two hundred and thirty
one thousand dollars. That's the reported announced live gate. The
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attendance was seventy thousand, four hundred and eighty two fans
in the building. I'm looking way way way up before
they turned the lights out, couldn't see no empty seats.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So it's a sellout.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And it's the highest grossing single day event in Allegiance
Stadium history, the second biggest boxing attendance indoors in the US,
surpassing Ali Spings two, and it's the third highest behind
Mayweather and McGregor. These boys did business outside the ring
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before they even stay in the ring. But as I
saw both fighters walk to the ring, obviously both fighters
have been around a long time. Canelo's fought over five
hundred professional rounds, been in mega mega fights for you know,
most of his career. Terrence Crawford has had his fair
share of big events, and it's always interesting seeing those
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early moments going into a fight. The ring, walked, body language,
and you get in the ring. To me, there wasn't
Terence Crawford didn't have the wide eye look. In fact,
when he stepped from behind the tunnel and came out,
he seemed to come alive when he saw the crowd.
He looked up and he saw those people, and even
though it was a pro Canelo crowd, it looked like
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it woke him up. And then when I saw Canelo,
what I noticed about him was that brother look a
lot different tonight than he did yesterday. In his face,
he was full faced.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
His body looked like he put the weight on. And
it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Because during that first round, I mean the first two
three seconds, they touched gloves and Crawford flicked two jabs
at Canelo and kind of stood his ground, And I said, Okay,
we're gonna have a real fight tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
What was your early feel all the.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Stuff I described, How was you feeling in them first,
right before that first bell run.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's a lot to say, and I guess I'm gonna
go along with you at this, but I do want
to first say, before I said, before I forget it,
I got to take my head off to Canelo. He's
one of the most gracious champions that the sport is
ever gonna see. He bowed out like a true champion should.
He made no excuses, He just told it like it was.
And that gave me even more love and respect for
Canelo than I already had. And I had nothing but
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the utmost respectful, my ready. But the way he bowed
out graciously, without excuses, gave me even more respect for him.
But now to the good stuff that we got to
go through. The thing that got me dre was night
before the walkouts, but I didn't go into it and
didn't want to elaborate too much because I didn't want to,
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you know, sway one side or the other. But in
that stair doo that we talked about when I told you,
either he's not ready for this, or he telled a
little boy, bad little boy, Bud, he wasn't trying the
little boy Bud. He really was afraid, was not afraid,
but he was worried about Budd, and Bud knew that,
and Bud, being the older guy, Bud kind of looked
him in his eye and made him turn away first.
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That was a victory for Bud. That was Bud's first victory.
Anytime that happens, if something else don't come around, or
something else don't happen to undo that, you got a
problem for me when I thought John Reis, I went
to the press conference that same press conference right before
the fight. He beat me in a press conference. And
that's the first time I ever lost in a press conference.
But he beat me in a press conference, so so
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I had it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He dressed up as a pimp, you know, and I
had I had no clues that none of that was coming.
And see, I was gonna be a little beat you
understand me. And I had I had no comeback. You understand,
I'm coming right, So I had to pray to God
for a come back, and sure enough, God gave me
come back. You know. But at that point I had
to fight took place right after that. He might have
wanted to fight because he had me. He had me
a little bit shook because he outdid me at the
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press conference. I've never been outdone at a press conference,
understand me, never been beating at a press conference. But
he got me that time caught me off. God, but
he did get me. So when I saw Bud stare
at him like that and he turned away first, that
sent shivers down my spine. I didn't want to say
nothing like I said, because I'm not here to, you know,
take sides. I like both guys and boxing needed to
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fight more than anything else, and so I didn't want
to manipulate and tell tell what I thought like I
thought it because I wanted to stay in the middle
because as a sport, this is one of the best
things that could have happened to our sport right now,
two real fighters at a real time fighting one another.
You understanding, I'm so appreciative of what they did that
I didn't want to truly give my opinion or give
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my what I really thought the way I felt it
because I wanted everybody to enjoy the fight. You know
what I'm saying. I'm coming from. But when he walked,
when he turned away like that, I kind of knew
he was gonna be in for a long life. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That that that is interesting because you and I talked
about that, and it's very easy to blow that moment off, right.
It could be nothing. It could be a Canelo Alvarez
that's making weight because he had a probably probably he
had a tougher weight cut than Terrence Crawford. You're doing
fight week festivities, talking to the media, doing grand arrival,
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doing press conference his way. In most of the time,
your mouth is dry, bro, You're dehydrated, and you just
can't wait to make the weight. That could have just
been it, like I'm not getting ready to tussle with
you and be trying to stare you down at this moment.
It could have just been that. But if you've been
in this game, you know it missed something. You just
don't know how much it means. So I agree with you.
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I saw that me and you talked about it, and
it was very very interesting because I don't see Canelo
do that with a lot of guys. I've seen him
do that with guys that he's sort of dismissive toward
guys that he knows is I'm going to get you
tomorrow night. Thank you for taking the challenge, but you
know this is my show. And some thought that was
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a kind of trying a little boy and trying a son.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Terrence. I didn't think that.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I just thought that to your point, Terrence won that moment,
and those things matter. I think the last time I
lost her face off, nobody could tell but me was
Edison Miranda. That was my That was in my hometown
and we're at the weigh end, and you know, Edison
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Miranda is a real dude. That was a big moment
for me. So we do the face off and this
man put his forehead on my forehead and he pressed
up against my forehead and I'm trying to press back
against his forehead and I don't remember who broke first,
but that moment it kind of had me for a second.
I remember getting in my car after the after the
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after the way and I was like, oh, he's serious.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
He didn't to lay down like he ain't scared. He
really believes he's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And that was a moment I had to get myself
together in the hotel room between the way in and
the actual not of the fight.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So it happens to the best of us. You just
gotta recover as best as you can.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That's just it just is what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But what I'm saying, though, what was so funny about that, though,
Dre is if you know boxing, or if you ever
done this before. You kind of got a feeling of
what that meant right there, because I got to take
it and go a little bit futher with it. I
always had to boil down and wait. Understand me. Even
when I didn't have to boil down when I thought
Reese I was not going to turn away first, understand me.
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But when I had to bail down and wait, I
was so angry because I was boiling down, and you
was the reason I was boiling down. All that was
in my eyes when I'm looking at you. You may
not hear it, but you see it. I'm honestly highly
pissed off because I haven't eaten. I have be able
to drink the way I want to eat and drink
because of you. You understand me. So I'm not looking
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away from you. First, I don't care what goes on.
So when that happened, When that happened, and me knowing
you had to pull down further than Bud did, and
don't get it twisted at that point, you so we
get tired. You probably couldn't beat nobody if he did
get fight with him. Understand but what you portray it.
You got to portray what you feel in your heart
right now, you gotta be a chameleon. Your what got
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to talk right now? You understand me, And that's why
I'm saying that bothered me because I know you had
to pull it down further than he did. But now
he gonna look at you last when he's the reason
you put him down. But go back to sleeping them
setting sheets too. Sometimes you sleep them setting sheets. That
doesn't really matter no more. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
You start giving in in areas that you normally wouldn't
give in. You know, he been in the game a
very long time, big events.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
This ain't new to me.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And uh, I used to feel that way, but I
don't feel like feel that way now. And that's that
little that's the slippers. We think slippers. Sometimes there's always
oh he's you don't have the reflexes, or he's not throwing,
you know, enough punches or the way he used to.
Sometimes that slippage is here. Hunger sometimes I don't have
That fire is burning, but not like it used to.
That flame ain't as big as it used to, and
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that adds up in big moments against another real guy.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
E specific is hungry.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But going into this fight, there was no way that
knowing what I know about Terrence Crawford and knowing what
I know about Canelo Alvarez over the years, that either
guy was gonna punk the other guy. There was not
gonna be a situation where intimidation was gonna win this fight,
or you know, you're bigger than me, so I'm not
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gonna beat myself.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I knew both guys would be themselves.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And I talk about that that first jab that Crawford
threw right after they touched gloves. It seems like nothing,
but that was a small message standing his ground for
ten to fifteen seconds lining Canelo. No, I'm not gonna
retreat right away, even though eventually Crawford started boxing. That's
that alpha stuff, That's that dominant stuff that when you've
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been dominant for so long, you can't think of not
being dominant. I don't care whom on the other side,
who's on the other side of the ring I'm against,
And that's what I saw from Terrence early in this fight.
You know, I saw Canelo doing what I thought he
would do. He eventually started pressing forward, landing lead body shots,
and you know, I was on the call with John
Ennick and Max Kellerman the night of the fight, and
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I said, man, Canelo's starting early with those lead body shots.
Crawford can't allow him to do that because that starts
to add up. And there was a moment also early
in the fight where Canelo tried to stick to the script.
They were in a clinch along the ropes and Canelo
kind of got Crawford off of his feet a little bit, and.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That was a moment.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And then later in the fight you see Crawford try
to basically yoke up Canelo Alvarez and let him know
that's not gonna happen this time. But when I started
seeing Crawford block shots and then counter I knew he
was gaining ground and he had bit he had he
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was he was on the something because you cannot just
retreat from an aggressive guy.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You cannot just block punches.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You can't just do that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
You need to do that, but at some.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Point you gotta stay in a line of fire, look
down the barrel, block that shot, and let that other
dude know that if you get stupid, if you get reckless,
I'm gonna hit you back.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, he did that a lot, And uh, first I
was kind of worried too, because he let Canilo kind
of have his way the first three or four rounds.
I felt, you know, he let him kind of come
forward as he chose, and he waited. He weighed his tab,
which was very smart. Let some of that steam get
off of him before you make your mark. Then he
finally hit him with the shot, and I think the
shot made have messed up Canelo's eye a little bit.
And I said, oh, that was a shot right there.
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Now he got Canals respect. When I saw that, I
knew that now we may have a different fight. When
he came out there, I think you know that sixth
round and he left that combination right away. I said, okay, now, Bud,
it's in command. But things Budd has this rhythm. Now,
now Canelo finna have to deal with something because he's
walking around like I said, And I kept saying beforehand,
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he got to fight this way, not that way. He
started fighting this way and it made it very difficult
for him. Because as Canelo, I've read it, has been
a great fighter his whole career. People like Arislunday Laura
gave you the blueprint on how to beat him. People
like Floyd Maywell also gave you the blueprint on how
to beat him. But Bud is more fierce, more fearsome,
and more angrier and more meaner than both of those guys.
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So you know, if they showed you the blueprint, Bud
gonna go out there and take that blueprint and do
even more with it, which is what Bud did. So
it was never a question in my mind. Well, Bud
really was going to outbox me, just if he could
take the punch, And right away he showed Bamn he
could take the punch. So I know from that point,
if he just slowed him down, which he did, he okay.
Then Layden to fight with other people still didn't see
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Laiden to fight. Budd started hitting Canelo's body, one of
those by the shots I think about the seventh the
eighth round hurt Canelo. I was like, whoa Budd hitn't
be the right spot. Then he got Canol's respect with
that too. So Bill fought a very very awesome fight
for a beautiful fight, very.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Tactical, very control.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes, it was a beautiful fight for boxing, you know
what I'm saying. I mean, fan wise, it was a
little different, but he did give some combinations too, so
you gotta see that too. But if you was it
was like fan and fan. The Mexican fans of course
wanted the Canila win and other people wanted but to win.
Fan for the magnitude of the fight, for what the
fight meant. It was a beautiful, beautiful fight for everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It was a beautiful fight. You know, Bud got here
with some shots.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
He did, he did.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
He got here with some single shots going out.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
You know he's going out, and you know Canelo, if
he has you trapped in the corner or along the roads,
is typically one of two big shots. You know that
if you watched him, so you could tell Crawford as
he was going out, he knew the one shot was coming,
and several times it landed. He even got hit with
a two piece I don't remember what round it was
uppercut right hand that Crawford took well. So when you
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started seeing him absorb the shots, if you're team Crawford,
you don't want him to take that shot. But if
you start seeing you started seeing that, now you know
that okay, And I think that's what gave Crawford the
green light to stay there a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Right, there was a go ahead, go ahead, he smiled
about it.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
He smiled about it, and sometimes that smile can be
a lie, and sometimes that smile can mean what I
think it meant for Crawford, which is, oh, that's not
as bad as I thought it was. But and I'm
gonna say this too, I gave Canelo, and we'll get
to the scorecard at the end, but I gave Cannelo
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four rounds me too. And I seen y'all playing with
me before the fight, the Canelo friends. I seen y'all
trying to put the put the little meme up about
uh me giving Crawford every round. I seen, y'all.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I seen that. I just didn't comment on it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Y'all.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Y'all y'all underestimating your boys professionalism and integrity. But I
didn't give Crawford every round. I played it down the
middle like I was supposed to. But I gave Canelo
that first round. I could have win either way. I
think he landed a few heavier body shots that made
me just tick that box for him.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
The next two rounds I gave to Crawford, and I
gave Canelo four and five.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Again, those are if you look at the official scores,
a lot of those rounds early on, you got to
pin up like this if you scored and you just
be like, man, man, he did two good things, or
he closed that round. Man, I think I'm gonna give
it to him. Those were not broad rounds by any
stretch of the imagination. But that back half was primarily Crawford,
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and I expected it to be that because I don't
think I think Canelo started to concede at a certain point.
I think that point was around round nine. That's the
round when Crawford in the south Paul Stands, got in
a fighting stance and started to exchange with Canelo and
got the better of that extra change that got the
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crowd woke. That got Crawford woke to let him know,
I can sit here with this dude. I can take
the power and I'm getting the better of it. That
was bad on Canelo. That was a bad look. But
I think that's the round if I'm not mistaken that
he reached out and he concede it once again.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
At the end of the round.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
His glove went like this, he reached out for Crawford.
I don't think Crawford either. Crawford seeing it and didn't
want to touch glove or he didn't see it. He
turned his back.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I looked over the Max and I said, hey, that's
that's a big sign right there.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
That's a show of what Roy respect.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We both saw that, because soon he did that, I
saw the same exact thing. Uh So it's like when
you see a guy turn and reach his hand out
like that and the other guy just turned away. What
are you trying to shake my hand? For now we fight?
We ain't shaking hands to it?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Literally right now?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
What are you doing? You know what?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Sam?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
But I felt like when Bud came out, I thinking
about the sixth round. I want to say it was
around around the sixth round. He came up and he said,
right in the middle ring him, about five or six
punches BO nine there was nine? Well maybe my memory now,
I do have a bad mind, so I could be wrong,
but I thought it was about around around six or seven.
But you could be right anyway. When that round, when
that happened, I knew then that Bud was in control
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and that that was gonna be pretty much the end
of it. I said, now Bud has control. Now he's
gonna go downhill from here. And that's exactly what happened.
But to be honest with you, because I'm a I'm
like you. I'm a guy that's in the middle. I
gave Conelo probably, I gave Vanela probably more the earlier
rounds than most people did because he was fighting his fight,
he was fighting aggressively, he was doing what he wanted
to do. He was letting a bigger shots than Budd.
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So I gave him the first three or four round
myself because he was being Canelo, you know, under saying me.
But then after around five or six, and I can't
Budd a couple of minute or two, but after around
five or six, Bud came out and start being Budd.
And when Bud started being Bud, Bud took over from
that point, and to me, he clearly kind of just
took over the rest of the fight. So I thought
Canelo won maybe three or maybe four or five earlier
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I gave him, but out on the back half, Budd
at least selling them last took stepping out of that
last year. Uh probably, Yeah, So after that, I just
thought that Bud took the most rounds in the late
port And that's why I thought Bud wanted to fight
easily because the championship rounds, he also won, and you.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Gotta win the championship rounds. This is Las Vegas, yep.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And Las Vegas not gonna call out any any particular judge,
but Las Vegas has a tendency to go with the
money fighter, the guy that's bringing in, uh, the biggest
fan base, that's bringing in the biggest revenue in close situations.
Crawford has been.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Fighting for a long time.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
He was aware of that, and that's why you saw
him stepping on the gas being aggressive eleven in the
eleventh round. If Terrence Crawford loses the twelfth round, that's
a split draw. They would have had two judges would
have had to draw, and the only judge that would
have still had Terrence Crawford winning was Steve Wisefield, which
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I think is.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
One of the best judges in the game. He knew that,
and his corner was saying box.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I know, conventional wisdom is saying you probably up, you
should box this type of situation, this type of moment,
you can't go off. Probably you gotta you gotta go
take it, you gotta put your stamp on it, just
the way he did, because if we gotta split draw,
we having a whole totally different discussion right now.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Whole different discussion. And for me, so he did he
did the right thing because if you notice, like I said,
the reason, like a person like me, if I was
a better man, normally I would just say, hey, I'm
bet all my money on cough for because I thought
lading a fight. I ain't think Canela gonna knock him
out with one punch, because like I kept tening, people,
Canela don't really do a lot of one punch knockouts
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to the head unless it's a guy that really not
known for me to take him a big shot like that,
you know what I'm saying, He'll weigh you down over
a time, didn't get you a shot to the head.
But he's not a one punch knock out guy, which
is why I didn't think he really was gonna knock
craw It out. But what I was afraid of was
because you see the beef All fight, I thought b
Ball was up nine three and if bon would be
would have lost that last round, that would have been
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a draw. To you understand WIM come from. So it's
like when you notice this, and like you just said,
when you know that, I know how that goes as
a fighter, you know, you got to keep stepping on
the gas. You can't just stop and say, Okay, I
think I got this in the bag. No, look with
how Oscar de la Hoya and pittis the dead. Oscar
one of them early rounds I thought he had in
the bag, took the flow out the gas and they
gave it the trindery deck. You understand him come from.
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So it's like you cannot take your foot off the
gas in no big fight. I don't care who you are.
So that's why a lot of people were mad at
me about the situation where Loma Chinko and Devin Hanney.
You know, I said, but he took a beat beat
him in the.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Level round, that twelfth round.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
But what did it?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
He lost the twelve round. I'm saying, no, no, no,
I'm saying, I'm saying I'm agree with you. I'm saying
Loma did not close the fight.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He lost. Lomah lost the twelve round.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
If you win that twelve round, you might win the fight.
Because the two championship rounds you on the left round
bigger than anybody wanting in around the whole fight. So
if you went the level and twelfth like that you
might get it, but you gave it twelfth round away.
They're not gonna get a decision, bro, I'm sorry. And
so it's like I ain't I mean, one of my
favorite fighters, but you can't go out and take you
foot on the gas, I mean, and didn't get mad
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about it. No, Crawford.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Crawford did what you thought he was gonna do, yep,
and he closed the show. You got to close the show.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
If you really believe that you are better than this man,
you got to close the show. You gotta do it
for twelve rounds and leave no doubt. Because again, if
he'd have lost that twelfth round, we'd have been having
a totally different discussion right now.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And right now.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Terres Crawford, it took him seventeen years to become an
overnight success.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Now you see everybody, Oh, you have you heard about
that Terres Crawford.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
He sure can fight. And it's just like that sometimes
for certain guys. Sometimes some guys catch early and some
guys catch on late. If you know boxing and you
don't have nothing personal against the guy, and you can
think clearly about what you're seeing and you know what
you're seeing ms. Crawford has been the best fighter in
the world for a very long time and he just
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showed it again Saturday night. See great fighters, they rise
in them type of moments. The pressure stick.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
If you lose, the fall out of stick, the reward
is big and heavy. Great fighters rising the moments.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It don't mean you gonna always win every fight, but
it means more times than not, you're gonna rise in
the moments.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
And that's what we saw Terres Crawford do and never
had never seen emotion like that from him after a fight.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It was good to see that. But I want to
jump and talk about a point that you that you
started with about Canelo's class and the way he dealt
with that defeat. I know that defeat her. Canelo doesn't
get to where he's gotten in a sport just accepting
defeat easily. And it would have been so easy to
play off of I thought I won, I thought I
did enough and start to, you know, sound the alarm
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about a robbery and the fan base would have got
behind it.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Canelo said, I didn't have any answers for his style.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I did my best. I trained well. We know that
based on the guys that he had in camp. I
didn't cut corners man. All credit to Terrence Crawford. He's
a great fighter. In fact, he said that he's better
than Floyd Maywell, and that's a whole nother discussion. But
I respect Canelo and I think his fan base, the
ones that are online claiming that, you know that it
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was a robbery and it was a fix for Terrence Crawford.
Boxing hasn't given Terrence Crawford anything up to this point.
They haven't given him anything. Why would they give him
something right now over Canelo ivory is why would they
favor Terrence Crawford over the cash Cole Canelo ivers?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So Crawford earned that win, and I think the fan base,
those that are doing this, I'm not saying all are take.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
The lead from your leader.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
If he's not complaining, if he's not saying it's a robbery,
if he's not saying he was cheated, I think y'all
should follow suit.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Agreed that one hundred percent. Y'all want to say that too,
But I'm also gonna say one more thing, and I'm
gonna tell you right now that I'm sorry if I
rub some people the wrong way because I'm probably gonna
run him the wrong way. But this is what I
do in the way, so I love it and I'm
gonna see it like this. Terres Crawford went and got
it from the mud. You understand me. I tried to
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say examples when I was coming up of how to
do things. Terrence Crawford shows you how to go get
it out the mud. You know what I'm saying. Terrence
been all these years, nobody would ever give Terrence that
shot to become that guy. You know what I'm saying.
Finally Earl gave it to him after five years, and
he became that guy. But most people who were capable
of giving him that shot at that time avoided him
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and then give him that shot. Terrence Earns and I
always have had my most utmost respect because he gets
it out the mud. People like Victor Postal were not weak,
easy to beat guys. Victor Posteral had not really lost.
He got the Bud, but made him look like nothing.
You understand me. Bud been beating these guys that we
don't know a monster's but the game knows they were
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pretty good fighters. Damn good fighters. To be exact, he
been going through anything they brought to him for a
long time. He did not manipulate the game. He hit
the game head on, waited patiently until this time came,
and took full advantage of that night. That's how I
understood boxing to go not people to go out and
do things other ways. Go straight down the line, hit
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that ball straight off the middle. Understand me. That's what
Bud did. The last person I seen him do that.
I got two other people that I love because they
did that. Number one of them was Marvin Hagler. Marvin
Hagler had almost fifty fights before they let him fight
for a title. You understand me. Fifty fights before he
got a shot. You understand me. That's a long time.
That's no manipulation. That's standing in the gap, doing what
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you gotta do to your time come. That's what Bud did.
He stood in the gap till this time came, and
when the time came, he took full advantage of it.
Only the other guy that comes to mind, he did
it different from Bud, but his journey was the same.
That's why people don't understand why I always talk about
this guy, why he always one of my big favorite fighters,
Because I saw him get it out the mud. Nate Kembell.
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Nobody gave h Nate Kemball nothing. Nate Kimbell's B side
for the first.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Half his career.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You understand me. For the first half his career. He
was the B side guy. But couldn't none of them
eight side guys beat it. He got out the mud.
That's what Bud did. And I got nothing but the
utmost respect for people like that because they know how
to go get it. When I came up, I didn't
go with the big promoters. Why Because I wanted to
fight whoever wanted to fight me, whenever they wanted to
fight me, however they want to fight me wherever we
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wanted to fight at. That's what I believed in. That's
how Bud did it, and that's why I love the
most about it.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Not only that, but and I don't want to go
too far down this road, but I'm probably gonna obsess
some people too. There was a point not long ago
where the smear campaign against Crawford was real. There was
a smear campaign about his personality. He doesn't talk, he
doesn't nobody wants to hear him. Know that, you don't
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want to hear so you try to speak for the
masses when the whole time you have a star right here.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You got to learn how to talk to this man.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
If you don't understand his background, maybe we got to
spend more time asking questions instead of making judgments about people.
If you understand his background, it wouldn't be a shock
that he don't want to talk to you, or that
he at least doesn't trust you. Maybe you gotta get
to him a different type of way instead of just
demanding thing because a guy like Crawford, you demand things,
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he gonna shut down.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I ain't got nothing for you. So I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Because again, it took seventeen eighteen years to become an
overnight success. Obviously he's had success and he's been doing
this thing, but I mean this kind of success. And yes,
beating the guy he beat the way he beat him
has a lot to do with that. But it's just
interesting that not long ago, just a few years ago,
all don't nobody want to fight, and he came. You know,
he ain't gonna get the Spence fight. Well, he got
the Spence fight and he performed all. He ain't gonna
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get the Canelo fight even just as recent as the
fight before Canelo, that was a stadium that was full,
and you had writers trying to go do research on
how many tickets were actually sold and how many tickets
were actually given away.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I don't care about what that number is.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
You know why, because if you ain't a good fighter
and you not worth my time, you can give me
whatever you want to give me. I'm not gonna show
up to no stadium and be there all night because
I was a long card that night and come watch
you fight. So even as recent as his last fight,
the fight before Canelo, the smear campaign continued.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I don't hear the smear campaign now.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Them voices got really really quiet, like they typically do
when they get proven wrong, and they either try to
jump on the wagon I knew this kid was gonna
be that, or they get very very quiet and they
start to retreat back to wherever they came from and
they don't have a lot to say. So I'm happy
for this brother for that reason, because they tried to
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bury him Roy it didn't work. He overcame that. He
said give me my shot. I'm gonna show you, and
he kept doing the time and time again, and he
did it again against Canelo Alvera Saturday Night.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yes he survived at all. He's really what they call
a survivor. To go that loan with our people giving
you an opportunity is saying a lot. He really survived
a long time before he got there, and now he's there.
And like I said, there's other stuff that could be said,
but I'm not gonna do it because I don't want
people think I'm trying to smell nobody either, So I'm
gonna shut my mouth and say I appreciate Bud Crawford
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for what he did. I appreciate Canelo for being a sportsman,
this gentleman that was got to give Hi credit feed
But Bud put on a hell of a performance. And
if you didn't see that coming, shame on you. Because
I've been watching this guy since his first upset, which
was against Bradist Prescott. I knew way back then that
this guy was something to deal with young seeing me
and it ain't changed one bit to this day.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And that was the last time. I believe he was
actually then underdog last time.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
But people didn't think when it got fight until last
until Saturday Night did exactly well.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Some people had him underdog against our expense too. But
you know I kind of knew that true. Yeah, I
kind of knew that too.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
But but that's true.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
This guy is a guy who comes up and he
gonna perform to the level of his competition or to
the level of his expectations. And I'm going to say
another thing. To be disciplined enough and to have the
knowledge to know this one, You know, a guy's really
student of the game. He studied enough to know that
the best way to beat Canelo was from the south
past stance. He never switched, not one time in the fight,
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not one time. And I got a friend for san Antonio.
I got to give him credit too, because he's told
me this before the fight, said, watch Bill won't switch orthodox,
not one time in this fight, because he knows he
don't need to. And sure enough he was right.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Coming out of this fight. I want to talk real
quick about where Canelo and Crawford are now and what
they should do next. You hear a lot of talk
about Crawford now, is he a greatest of all time?
That's a tough one for me, man, And you know,
I think he's in the conversation one thousand percent as
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one of the greatest of all time? Is he the
greatest of this generation? I think in terms of what
he accomplished, the type of fighter he is, absolutely and.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
What do you think about where he where this lands
him now.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
And even with the pound for pound you know, in
a way Usik and Crawford, they're calling them the three
Kings Now.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I think Crawford has been the best for a long time.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I love what Usik is doing. I love it in
a way is doing. But I just think the road
that Crawford has taken. I think the way that he's
done it, the level in which he's done it, not
to say they haven't done it at that level, and
the duration of time in which he's done it. I
think he is the number one pound for pound fighter
in the world right now. And I think he's one
of the greatest of all times, and he is the
best of this generation. He's by far the best of
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the generation of all times. Hard to say, Ali gonna
always be my goat, you understand me, And it's just
gonna be the regardless then as far as the power
politicist right now, it definitely goes Crawford, Oh sick anyway,
and it goes by not only longevity, but the things
you had to go through to get there, you know
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what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Mean, this guy had to go through way more than
opponents to get to where he is right now, understanding,
Which is why Ali always be the gold in my book,
because Alie went through way more than just opponents to
do the things that he did and still became the
most noted face on the planet with no social media.
You know what I'm saying, me he went talking about
he went through way more than just boxing opponents who
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also happened to dominate to become the goat, you know,
unders saying. That's why I'll never take that title from
Hammad Ali. I won't give it to nobody, including myself,
because we didn't go through what he went through. And
he still dominated the sport at a time when the
best fought the best, at a time when everybody in
the top ten could have been the world champion any
given night, at a time when it wasn't even right
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to be his color and do the things that he did,
at the time when things were so drastic, He's still
dominated and was still the most known man in the world,
not just America, in the world, you know, understanding, mean
so Ali would always be the goat. But budd has
put itself and I text him and told him that
welcome to the goat neighborhood, brou because he in it. Now,
you say, when you talk about goats, he he in
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that neighborhood, So you got to move over over and
let him. He just kicked that door in and gotten
that goat status.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Not so on the street he got.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
You feel all of us got houses on the area
on that in that neighborhood. He definitely got a house
in that neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Now, because the goat conversation is also subjective, right, like
you got the hard facts who you follow when you're
fought your era, But but some of it is personal
where it's like, you know, I got a lot of
young fighters saying, man, you my goat. I accept that
you got because I'm your goat. With the impact that
I've had on you. How you watch me, what you've
taken from me? Uh, I'm not gonna deny you that.
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So sometimes the goat conversation, the overall goat conversation, is
very subjective and very personal depending on who you talk to.
And you just mentioned that for yourself, and that's why
It's hard for me too, because I start looking at
the era that they were in, the opponents that they fought,
and who they were when they fought them, how dangerous
that era was.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
How many rounds did they fight? How many total fights
did they have?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
One hundred and fifteen sixteen seventeen for Sugary Robinson, Ali
had seventy. Like come on, man, like we you know
this just some different type of stuff. And that's why
I would never accept anybody. And I have fans, are
you I'm I'm not gonna put myself down if you
want me to be your goat.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I know I'm on the street, I got my house,
you're in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I'm not in that category because I just got too
much respect for these dudes.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Let's pivot to Canelo Alvarez. What does he do from here?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Well, it's tough to say, because he's made enough enough
money today he can retire. He really had nothinglugh to prove.
We saw him go up. He tested he did like boyd.
He tests himself all the way up. Suppose he could go.
He won a light Headway title, then he lost, So
it showed us that the light Headway was his ceiling
and that's good enough. Really right now you got nonheing's
to proved, you know what I mean. Of course, if
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you keep fighting people going to maand you fight the
monster because both you guys are Mexican. But to me,
you probably shouldn't do that. You understand me. It's probably
not a good fight for you at this point for real,
especially come out for lost to Terrence Crawford. It's just
to me, I don't see the hunger. They have to
really beat the monster, understand mean. And that's what my
problem was already. I didn't think it was a good
fight for him because I don't think the hunger is there.
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Terrence Crawfort just showed us that the hunger is really
not there anymore like that, you understand me. So you
have to be extraordinarily hungry to go out there and
beat the monster, because you gotta put pressure on him
from around one around twelve or it's not gonna work.
And if you're not hungry, you're not gonna do that.
Same thing he would have had due to tanz Kauft,
he would have to put pressure on him around one. Rind,
I'm trying solid pressure, no no s paper between him
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he had be in his chest for twelve round but
he ain't hungry enough to really do that. So if
you're not hungry enough to do that, don't waste your time.
Just just call the day. Because everybody gonna want to
see you fight the monster. I don't know they're gonna
be cool to fight anybody else, but they're gonna keep
pushing the monster narrative at you, or they're gonna see
you fight. But again, now you fight, But again, that's good,
that's not a bad idea because it was a good fight.
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I thought you dominated the early rounds, Buddy took over
it really counted, and won the most of the later rounds,
and I thought, you know, it was a very good
competitive fight. Just that at the end, boy prevailed. Boy
took over most of the last half of the fight,
and that's that's what champions really do. So if you
want to come back and try to avenge that, okay,
But I don't really see that happening either. Yeah, so
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I think I think I think that's a rep too.
So for me, I think he should probably just gonna
retire now there's nothing ness there. I don't think he
has the hunger to go out and put up not
to compete with the people that people want to see
him compete with. You feel me. Now, he wants to
have a few more fights for himself, that's cool, But
then he's gonna get so it's gonna get very tainted
with the fact they gonna say, yeah, you fight, but
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you avoid the monster. You understand me. That's gonna tank
the rest of his career if he keeps trying to fight.
So it's better for him to just call the day.
I would like to see Canelo retire too. I don't
think he will, though. He's got a multi fight deal
with Turkey Ala Chic.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's a lot of money on the table, and he's
a proud, proud champion, so I can understand him not
wanting to end on that note. But you can see
Canelo getting older, and I'm not just talking about ring.
I mean you can see it in his face. You know.
For the Netflix special behind the scenes, you kind of
see you kind of see the age, you see the
wear and tear. The man has been fighting as a
professional since he was fifteen years old.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Twenty years got over.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, it's a long time to be getting hit with
a downson ten down gloves even if you take it well,
and oftentimes the guys that take it well, they show
it more because I'm absorbing a lot of shots and
you're giving me praise to absorbing them shots.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
But them shots take a toll.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
So I don't know how much longer he should keep fighting.
And it's not because he can't fight anymore. Still one
of the best fighters in the world. But you get
into the hunger conversation, you get into the total punishment
that you got to add that stuff up when you
start getting older, Like Okay, man, you know, do I
still need to do this? He doesn't need to do
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it other than just his love for it, because his
mantra is no boxing, no life. So I don't know
if he's gonna be able to walk away right now.
His legacy is secure. I think he's one of the
greatest Mexican fighters that has ever done it. I think
he's in the great category. In conversation, we can break
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down the resume another day, but I think that given
the way that he fought and giving the way that
he bowed out, I think you just got to just
leave it right there and give him his respect. I
would like to see him maybe take one or two
more and call it a day, going joy the fruits
of his labor.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Terms of Terrence Crawford.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Selfishly, you want to see him fight again multiple times. Personally,
I wouldn't be mad if I never see Terrence fight again.
That the way he performed getting ready to be thirty eight?
I think in a few days, man, what better way
to go? Wow? What better way to tell the game goodbye?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Well?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
What better way?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Who you gonna fight?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I was arguing Max on the way to the venue
about Boots Innis. Nah, we don't go fight Canelo and
then go fight, go go back and fight Boots in Ers.
I saw a report today somebody was talking about, uh
him going up to light heavyweight. Nah, we don't go
up to light heavyway. We just went up three way
classes since suspends fighting two way classes since the Magic
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Mall fight, my last fight.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
This is the perfect sind Off, Roy yep.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
In my opinion, it's the perfect sind.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Off without a question. See, here's another thing I forgot
to say. Say. I've probably seen it before, but when
you look at the two fights that I looked at,
I said, when Charlo came to fight Canelo from fifty
four he put no muscle mass on. He didn't look
at the blueprint, He didn't look at how that should
be done. When he moved up, he just moved up
and Sam so to me, you really ain't serious about
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beating him. But when Bud finished the Magic Moll fight,
he started, well, he was already put on a weight
then for the met More fight to come up and
fight Canilo. He was always looking way down the line.
When a guy goes and puts on a weight like
that to what he got to pull down in sixty eight,
you knew then he was dead serious. The only thing
you had to worry about it once he take that
first one and see what that's like. It's a rep
for him, and you kind of saw that too. So
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when I saw the way he put the weight on,
I already knew that was gonna be trouble. Like I said,
it's just not my job to tell nobody, but I
reknew it.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Well, man, we're gonna leave.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
It right there. Roy uh again, man, condolences to the
Hattan family.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
We're gonna miss him. Man.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
You know, Ricky hadn't. I didn't never met him.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I don't think personally I did, at least face I did,
and he was a brilliant person just everything he was
inside of the ring, he was that outside of the ring. Yes,
I'm trying to think off I met him at one
of the early Hall of Fame events. Possibly possibly, but
I don't. We haven't had a lot of interaction, but
I watched him from Afar, have a lot of respect
for him and man, condolences to the family. We're gonna
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leave it there and wrap this up, man, great fight weekend.
A lot still to talk about. I keep hearing whispers
as though I keep hearing, I keep hearing people say
that boxing is still dying, Roy But if boxing is dying, man,
it's a slow dead. Boxing is hard to kill because
I've been hearing about boxing dying for so many years now,
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even from boxing people, But we still not dead. You
can't put on an event like that if boxing is dead,
you can't have the viewership. And we waiting for the
viewership for Netflix to come out. But it's going to
be a record whatever it is for an all time
watched boxing match. So I hear what y'all saying, but
I'm too busy watching what boxing is doing. That's a
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rap for us on the Hall of game,
Whatever the spot Ward John's dream hang out with my
man Andrew Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We threw Hall of Famers to bring y'all a new
show called a Hall of.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Game, a show where we discussed boxing, sports, life and entertainment.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
From our view, how much better Neck and get Me.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
And Roy don't always agree. The one thing you will
get is a Hall of fame worth the game.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We're coming off of a tremendous fight weekend, a b
a big day for the sport of boxing, A lot
to talk about. But before we get into that, we
got to start the show on a bit of a
you know, a sadder note. You know Ricky Hatton, nicknamed
the hit man from Manchester, England. We got the news
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the day after the big fight with Terrence Crawford and
Canelo Alvarez September fourteenth, in the early morning there was
a welfare check at the house of Ricky Hadden and
his body was found lifeless in that house and there's
no signs of foul play and an investigation is still
going forth. But man, Roy, what did you think and
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how did you feel when you got the news about Ricky?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Had very hard touching man. I had just seen him
not long ago. I hadn't think we were all that.
I think, matter of fact, it might have been the
Hall of Fame with something like that, and uh, you
know it was. It was a very tragic situation for
me because I've been knowing Ricky for quite some time
now and we share a mutual friend and Dennis Hobson,
who was basically more at one point. So it's kind
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of rough for me, even feeling bad for Dennis because
I know how close he and Dennis were. So yeah, man,
it's a touching situation. But I mean, we lost another
go we lost.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Another good one. And condolences to Ricky Hatton's family. Uh,
he survived by several children. I believe it's one son
and two daughters. He also had a grand baby and
his mother and his father still living. So just condolences
to the Haddon family. A devastating news. You know, my
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father died the same age as Ricky, at forty six
years old. We don't know how he died, but in
a similar fashion here today, going tomorrow. It's devastating to
say the least, the boxing community if we get nothing right.
We know how to rally in these types of situations
and moments and It's been a blessing just seeing everybody
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from all over the world show love and respect to
Ricky and his family, and to really just go over
his career and start to relive some of his big moments.
And I just want to take a moment to talk
a little bit about the first time I really started
to take notice of Ricky Hatting. I had been watching
him and hearing about this guy in England who wasn't
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always technically sound, but the man was ferocious in his approach.
He lived and trained and fought the same way. He
was on go at all times. And when I saw
him face Ricky, excuse me, when I saw him face
Costa Zoo in two thousand and five at sold at
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a sold outs Manchester Arena, and this is Costa Zoo.
This is a guy that you know can can can
really hurt you with that right hand, very physically strong,
and you just saw Ricky hadn't apply that. Ricky hadn't
approached mauling, brawling, relentless, not giving you any time to rest.
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That was the first time that I really took notice
of him. But one of my best memories of Ricky
was when he fought Floyd Mayweather sold out MGM Grand
Arena in two thousand and eight, and at that time,
Floyd was going back and forth between Dancing with the
Stars and I'm thinking in my mind as we're watching
the twenty four to seven, I'm like, brother, you better
lock in with Ricky Hatton.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
This ain't the guy to be playing with.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And Floyd eventually got eliminated from the show, finished his camp,
but I remember Floyd being in.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
His locker room and you could hear the crowd in
the arena.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
It's almost like the MGM Grand Arena was shaken because
you hear all these fans from the UK screaming there's
only one Ricky had done, and that thing was it
was lit, it was loud, and you can see Floyd
processing what he was getting ready to get into. Floyd
and never fought in front of a crowd like that before.
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So those are one of my fondest memories of Ricky,
And up to that point, at that time, I had
not seen a fan base travel for their guy like that.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Them mean a lot, and that shows you what he
meant to a lot of people, because he was the
first one, I think, to ever bring that magnitude of
people from that side of the world over to this side.
I think he bought at least twenty thousand plus fans
with him from the UK to the USC, and we
would never be able to get that many fans to
leave the USA and go to the UK. But twenty
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thousand plus came all the way across the pond for
Ricky Hattan. That showed you the kind of support, the
kind of love, and the kind of humidity he had
amongst his people. People always talk about, like I say again,
legacy and currency, But when you have a legacy where
that many people will follow you, it says more about
you than what currency ever could say. Ricky Hattan was
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truly a great man, a man that was loved by
his country, a man that was loved by his peers,
a man who meant a lot to the sport of
boxing because of how much he was loved. He brought
things to the sport that nobody else bought. I mean,
he was a rugged guy. No he wasn't the best boxer,
No he didn't have the best IQ, but he was
so rugged and he bought the best of what he
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bought to the table. Everybody understanding his work ethic overruled
all the technique and the technicalities, you know what I mean.
That work rate overruled all of that. So he dominated
in fights that those people to throw his skill level
should have never his skill lever should never beat Costazu.
But that determination and that and that heart and that
grit it beat Costa Zuke because he showed you that
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his grit was stronger than most of anybody we've ever seen.
He was like to me, he was a lighterweight version
of Jeoe Frazer. He wasn't stopping for nothing.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
He had a little bit of Roberto Durant in there
too on that inside game. Yes, he did getting that position,
moving that clutching that on moving and getting positioned and
ripping them body shots. I'm gonna say this last point
on Ricky before Ricky, before we move on. You know,
I appreciated his approach too, because he didn't take itself
too serious. You know, he was the hit man, but
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his fan base also called him, and he called himself
Ricky Fatton. This is a guy that was at one
hundred and forty pounds then eventually forty seven. It's a
guy that would get up to over two hundred pounds yep.
And it was well publicized his time spent in the
pub in Manchester playing darts, doing what they do. And
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you know, he says, I like to drink and I
like to eat, and he would get that weight off
every camp and boil down to one forty one forty
seven and go out there and compete, and it became
a whole thing with his fan base, and I just
appreciated his approach to the game. Very very tough blow
for the sport of boxing, especially coming off of high
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like Canelo and Crawford. Again, condolences to his whole family,
Condolences to his fan base.
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Speaker 3 (08:35):
I want to get into this weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I want to get into this experience that we all
had this weekend in Las Vegas at Allegiance Stadium. What
a way to break in a new stadium. Yes, there
never been a boxing match at Allegiant Stadium, even early
on when there was talks about this fight being moved
to MSG.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
We love Madison Square Guard and that's the boxing mecca.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
We get it.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But if felt like the fight should be at Allegiant Stadium.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I mean, just looking at that stadium from the outside end,
it just feels like that's where that fight should take place.
And before I get into the business that happened in
the ring, I want to get into the business that
this fight produced outside the ring. The gross revenue is
being reported at forty seven million, two hundred and thirty
one thousand dollars. That's the reported announced live gate. The
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attendance was seventy thousand, four hundred and eighty two fans
in the building. I'm looking way way way up before
they turned the lights out, couldn't see no empty seats.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So it's a sellout.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And it's the highest grossing single day event in Allegiance
Stadium history, the second biggest boxing attendance indoors in the US,
surpassing Ali Spings two, and it's the third highest behind
Mayweather and McGregor. These boys did business outside the ring
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before they even stay in the ring. But as I
saw both fighters walk to the ring, obviously both fighters
have been around a long time. Canelo's fought over five
hundred professional rounds, been in mega mega fights for you know,
most of his career. Terrence Crawford has had his fair
share of big events, and it's always interesting seeing those
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early moments going into a fight. The ring, walked, body language,
and you get in the ring. To me, there wasn't
Terence Crawford didn't have the wide eye look. In fact,
when he stepped from behind the tunnel and came out,
he seemed to come alive when he saw the crowd.
He looked up and he saw those people, and even
though it was a pro Canelo crowd, it looked like
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it woke him up. And then when I saw Canelo,
what I noticed about him was that brother look a
lot different tonight than he did yesterday. In his face,
he was full faced.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
His body looked like he put the weight on. And
it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Because during that first round, I mean the first two
three seconds, they touched gloves and Crawford flicked two jabs
at Canelo and kind of stood his ground, And I said, Okay,
we're gonna have a real fight tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
What was your early feel all the.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Stuff I described, How was you feeling in them first,
right before that first bell run.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's a lot to say, and I guess I'm gonna
go along with you at this, but I do want
to first say, before I said, before I forget it,
I got to take my head off to Canelo. He's
one of the most gracious champions that the sport is
ever gonna see. He bowed out like a true champion should.
He made no excuses, He just told it like it was.
And that gave me even more love and respect for
Canelo than I already had. And I had nothing but
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the utmost respectful, my ready. But the way he bowed
out graciously, without excuses, gave me even more respect for him.
But now to the good stuff that we got to
go through. The thing that got me dre was night
before the walkouts, but I didn't go into it and
didn't want to elaborate too much because I didn't want to,
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you know, sway one side or the other. But in
that stair doo that we talked about when I told you,
either he's not ready for this, or he telled a
little boy, bad little boy, Bud, he wasn't trying the
little boy Bud. He really was afraid, was not afraid,
but he was worried about Budd, and Bud knew that,
and Bud, being the older guy, Bud kind of looked
him in his eye and made him turn away first.
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That was a victory for Bud. That was Bud's first victory.
Anytime that happens, if something else don't come around, or
something else don't happen to undo that, you got a
problem for me when I thought John Reis, I went
to the press conference that same press conference right before
the fight. He beat me in a press conference. And
that's the first time I ever lost in a press conference.
But he beat me in a press conference, so so
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I had it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He dressed up as a pimp, you know, and I
had I had no clues that none of that was coming.
And see, I was gonna be a little beat you
understand me. And I had I had no comeback. You understand,
I'm coming right, So I had to pray to God
for a come back, and sure enough, God gave me
come back. You know. But at that point I had
to fight took place right after that. He might have
wanted to fight because he had me. He had me
a little bit shook because he outdid me at the
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press conference. I've never been outdone at a press conference,
understand me, never been beating at a press conference. But
he got me that time caught me off. God, but
he did get me. So when I saw Bud stare
at him like that and he turned away first, that
sent shivers down my spine. I didn't want to say
nothing like I said, because I'm not here to, you know,
take sides. I like both guys and boxing needed to
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fight more than anything else, and so I didn't want
to manipulate and tell tell what I thought like I
thought it because I wanted to stay in the middle
because as a sport, this is one of the best
things that could have happened to our sport right now,
two real fighters at a real time fighting one another.
You understanding, I'm so appreciative of what they did that
I didn't want to truly give my opinion or give
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my what I really thought the way I felt it
because I wanted everybody to enjoy the fight. You know
what I'm saying. I'm coming from. But when he walked,
when he turned away like that, I kind of knew
he was gonna be in for a long life. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That that that is interesting because you and I talked
about that, and it's very easy to blow that moment off, right.
It could be nothing. It could be a Canelo Alvarez
that's making weight because he had a probably probably he
had a tougher weight cut than Terrence Crawford. You're doing
fight week festivities, talking to the media, doing grand arrival,
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doing press conference his way. In most of the time,
your mouth is dry, bro, You're dehydrated, and you just
can't wait to make the weight. That could have just
been it, like I'm not getting ready to tussle with
you and be trying to stare you down at this moment.
It could have just been that. But if you've been
in this game, you know it missed something. You just
don't know how much it means. So I agree with you.
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I saw that me and you talked about it, and
it was very very interesting because I don't see Canelo
do that with a lot of guys. I've seen him
do that with guys that he's sort of dismissive toward
guys that he knows is I'm going to get you
tomorrow night. Thank you for taking the challenge, but you
know this is my show. And some thought that was
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a kind of trying a little boy and trying a son.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Terrence. I didn't think that.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I just thought that to your point, Terrence won that moment,
and those things matter. I think the last time I
lost her face off, nobody could tell but me was
Edison Miranda. That was my That was in my hometown
and we're at the weigh end, and you know, Edison
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Miranda is a real dude. That was a big moment
for me. So we do the face off and this
man put his forehead on my forehead and he pressed
up against my forehead and I'm trying to press back
against his forehead and I don't remember who broke first,
but that moment it kind of had me for a second.
I remember getting in my car after the after the
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after the way and I was like, oh, he's serious.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
He didn't to lay down like he ain't scared. He
really believes he's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And that was a moment I had to get myself
together in the hotel room between the way in and
the actual not of the fight.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So it happens to the best of us. You just
gotta recover as best as you can.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That's just it just is what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But what I'm saying, though, what was so funny about that, though,
Dre is if you know boxing, or if you ever
done this before. You kind of got a feeling of
what that meant right there, because I got to take
it and go a little bit futher with it. I
always had to boil down and wait. Understand me. Even
when I didn't have to boil down when I thought
Reese I was not going to turn away first, understand me.
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But when I had to bail down and wait, I
was so angry because I was boiling down, and you
was the reason I was boiling down. All that was
in my eyes when I'm looking at you. You may
not hear it, but you see it. I'm honestly highly
pissed off because I haven't eaten. I have be able
to drink the way I want to eat and drink
because of you. You understand me. So I'm not looking
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away from you. First, I don't care what goes on.
So when that happened, When that happened, and me knowing
you had to pull down further than Bud did, and
don't get it twisted at that point, you so we
get tired. You probably couldn't beat nobody if he did
get fight with him. Understand but what you portray it.
You got to portray what you feel in your heart
right now, you gotta be a chameleon. Your what got
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to talk right now? You understand me, And that's why
I'm saying that bothered me because I know you had
to pull it down further than he did. But now
he gonna look at you last when he's the reason
you put him down. But go back to sleeping them
setting sheets too. Sometimes you sleep them setting sheets. That
doesn't really matter no more. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
You start giving in in areas that you normally wouldn't
give in. You know, he been in the game a
very long time, big events.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
This ain't new to me.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And uh, I used to feel that way, but I
don't feel like feel that way now. And that's that
little that's the slippers. We think slippers. Sometimes there's always
oh he's you don't have the reflexes, or he's not throwing,
you know, enough punches or the way he used to.
Sometimes that slippage is here. Hunger sometimes I don't have
That fire is burning, but not like it used to.
That flame ain't as big as it used to, and
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that adds up in big moments against another real guy.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
E specific is hungry.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But going into this fight, there was no way that
knowing what I know about Terrence Crawford and knowing what
I know about Canelo Alvarez over the years, that either
guy was gonna punk the other guy. There was not
gonna be a situation where intimidation was gonna win this fight,
or you know, you're bigger than me, so I'm not
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gonna beat myself.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I knew both guys would be themselves.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And I talk about that that first jab that Crawford
threw right after they touched gloves. It seems like nothing,
but that was a small message standing his ground for
ten to fifteen seconds lining Canelo. No, I'm not gonna
retreat right away, even though eventually Crawford started boxing. That's
that alpha stuff, That's that dominant stuff that when you've
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been dominant for so long, you can't think of not
being dominant. I don't care whom on the other side,
who's on the other side of the ring I'm against,
And that's what I saw from Terrence early in this fight.
You know, I saw Canelo doing what I thought he
would do. He eventually started pressing forward, landing lead body shots,
and you know, I was on the call with John
Ennick and Max Kellerman the night of the fight, and
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I said, man, Canelo's starting early with those lead body shots.
Crawford can't allow him to do that because that starts
to add up. And there was a moment also early
in the fight where Canelo tried to stick to the script.
They were in a clinch along the ropes and Canelo
kind of got Crawford off of his feet a little bit, and.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That was a moment.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And then later in the fight you see Crawford try
to basically yoke up Canelo Alvarez and let him know
that's not gonna happen this time. But when I started
seeing Crawford block shots and then counter I knew he
was gaining ground and he had bit he had he
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was he was on the something because you cannot just
retreat from an aggressive guy.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You cannot just block punches.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You can't just do that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
You need to do that, but at some.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Point you gotta stay in a line of fire, look
down the barrel, block that shot, and let that other
dude know that if you get stupid, if you get reckless,
I'm gonna hit you back.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, he did that a lot, And uh, first I
was kind of worried too, because he let Canilo kind
of have his way the first three or four rounds.
I felt, you know, he let him kind of come
forward as he chose, and he waited. He weighed his tab,
which was very smart. Let some of that steam get
off of him before you make your mark. Then he
finally hit him with the shot, and I think the
shot made have messed up Canelo's eye a little bit.
And I said, oh, that was a shot right there.
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Now he got Canals respect. When I saw that, I
knew that now we may have a different fight. When
he came out there, I think you know that sixth
round and he left that combination right away. I said, okay, now, Bud,
it's in command. But things Budd has this rhythm. Now,
now Canelo finna have to deal with something because he's
walking around like I said, And I kept saying beforehand,
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he got to fight this way, not that way. He
started fighting this way and it made it very difficult
for him. Because as Canelo, I've read it, has been
a great fighter his whole career. People like Arislunday Laura
gave you the blueprint on how to beat him. People
like Floyd Maywell also gave you the blueprint on how
to beat him. But Bud is more fierce, more fearsome,
and more angrier and more meaner than both of those guys.
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So you know, if they showed you the blueprint, Bud
gonna go out there and take that blueprint and do
even more with it, which is what Bud did. So
it was never a question in my mind. Well, Bud
really was going to outbox me, just if he could
take the punch, And right away he showed Bamn he
could take the punch. So I know from that point,
if he just slowed him down, which he did, he okay.
Then Layden to fight with other people still didn't see
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Laiden to fight. Budd started hitting Canelo's body, one of
those by the shots I think about the seventh the
eighth round hurt Canelo. I was like, whoa Budd hitn't
be the right spot. Then he got Canol's respect with
that too. So Bill fought a very very awesome fight
for a beautiful fight, very.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Tactical, very control.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes, it was a beautiful fight for boxing, you know
what I'm saying. I mean, fan wise, it was a
little different, but he did give some combinations too, so
you gotta see that too. But if you was it
was like fan and fan. The Mexican fans of course
wanted the Canila win and other people wanted but to win.
Fan for the magnitude of the fight, for what the
fight meant. It was a beautiful, beautiful fight for everybody.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It was a beautiful fight. You know, Bud got here
with some shots.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
He did, he did.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
He got here with some single shots going out.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
You know he's going out, and you know Canelo, if
he has you trapped in the corner or along the roads,
is typically one of two big shots. You know that
if you watched him, so you could tell Crawford as
he was going out, he knew the one shot was coming,
and several times it landed. He even got hit with
a two piece I don't remember what round it was
uppercut right hand that Crawford took well. So when you
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started seeing him absorb the shots, if you're team Crawford,
you don't want him to take that shot. But if
you start seeing you started seeing that, now you know
that okay, And I think that's what gave Crawford the
green light to stay there a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Right, there was a go ahead, go ahead, he smiled
about it.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
He smiled about it, and sometimes that smile can be
a lie, and sometimes that smile can mean what I
think it meant for Crawford, which is, oh, that's not
as bad as I thought it was. But and I'm
gonna say this too, I gave Canelo, and we'll get
to the scorecard at the end, but I gave Cannelo
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four rounds me too. And I seen y'all playing with
me before the fight, the Canelo friends. I seen y'all
trying to put the put the little meme up about
uh me giving Crawford every round. I seen, y'all.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I seen that. I just didn't comment on it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Y'all.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Y'all y'all underestimating your boys professionalism and integrity. But I
didn't give Crawford every round. I played it down the
middle like I was supposed to. But I gave Canelo
that first round. I could have win either way. I
think he landed a few heavier body shots that made
me just tick that box for him.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
The next two rounds I gave to Crawford, and I
gave Canelo four and five.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Again, those are if you look at the official scores,
a lot of those rounds early on, you got to
pin up like this if you scored and you just
be like, man, man, he did two good things, or
he closed that round. Man, I think I'm gonna give
it to him. Those were not broad rounds by any
stretch of the imagination. But that back half was primarily Crawford,
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and I expected it to be that because I don't
think I think Canelo started to concede at a certain point.
I think that point was around round nine. That's the
round when Crawford in the south Paul Stands, got in
a fighting stance and started to exchange with Canelo and
got the better of that extra change that got the
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crowd woke. That got Crawford woke to let him know,
I can sit here with this dude. I can take
the power and I'm getting the better of it. That
was bad on Canelo. That was a bad look. But
I think that's the round if I'm not mistaken that
he reached out and he concede it once again.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
At the end of the round.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
His glove went like this, he reached out for Crawford.
I don't think Crawford either. Crawford seeing it and didn't
want to touch glove or he didn't see it. He
turned his back.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I looked over the Max and I said, hey, that's
that's a big sign right there.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
That's a show of what Roy respect.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We both saw that, because soon he did that, I
saw the same exact thing. Uh So it's like when
you see a guy turn and reach his hand out
like that and the other guy just turned away. What
are you trying to shake my hand? For now we fight?
We ain't shaking hands to it?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Literally right now?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
What are you doing? You know what?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Sam?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
But I felt like when Bud came out, I thinking
about the sixth round. I want to say it was
around around the sixth round. He came up and he said,
right in the middle ring him, about five or six
punches BO nine there was nine? Well maybe my memory now,
I do have a bad mind, so I could be wrong,
but I thought it was about around around six or seven.
But you could be right anyway. When that round, when
that happened, I knew then that Bud was in control
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and that that was gonna be pretty much the end
of it. I said, now Bud has control. Now he's
gonna go downhill from here. And that's exactly what happened.
But to be honest with you, because I'm a I'm
like you. I'm a guy that's in the middle. I
gave Conelo probably, I gave Vanela probably more the earlier
rounds than most people did because he was fighting his fight,
he was fighting aggressively, he was doing what he wanted
to do. He was letting a bigger shots than Budd.
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So I gave him the first three or four round
myself because he was being Canelo, you know, under saying me.
But then after around five or six, and I can't
Budd a couple of minute or two, but after around
five or six, Bud came out and start being Budd.
And when Bud started being Bud, Bud took over from
that point, and to me, he clearly kind of just
took over the rest of the fight. So I thought
Canelo won maybe three or maybe four or five earlier
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I gave him, but out on the back half, Budd
at least selling them last took stepping out of that
last year. Uh probably, Yeah, So after that, I just
thought that Bud took the most rounds in the late
port And that's why I thought Bud wanted to fight
easily because the championship rounds, he also won, and you.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Gotta win the championship rounds. This is Las Vegas, yep.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And Las Vegas not gonna call out any any particular judge,
but Las Vegas has a tendency to go with the
money fighter, the guy that's bringing in, uh, the biggest
fan base, that's bringing in the biggest revenue in close situations.
Crawford has been.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Fighting for a long time.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
He was aware of that, and that's why you saw
him stepping on the gas being aggressive eleven in the
eleventh round. If Terrence Crawford loses the twelfth round, that's
a split draw. They would have had two judges would
have had to draw, and the only judge that would
have still had Terrence Crawford winning was Steve Wisefield, which
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I think is.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
One of the best judges in the game. He knew that,
and his corner was saying box.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I know, conventional wisdom is saying you probably up, you
should box this type of situation, this type of moment,
you can't go off. Probably you gotta you gotta go
take it, you gotta put your stamp on it, just
the way he did, because if we gotta split draw,
we having a whole totally different discussion right now.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Whole different discussion. And for me, so he did he
did the right thing because if you notice, like I said,
the reason, like a person like me, if I was
a better man, normally I would just say, hey, I'm
bet all my money on cough for because I thought
lading a fight. I ain't think Canela gonna knock him
out with one punch, because like I kept tening, people,
Canela don't really do a lot of one punch knockouts
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to the head unless it's a guy that really not
known for me to take him a big shot like that,
you know what I'm saying, He'll weigh you down over
a time, didn't get you a shot to the head.
But he's not a one punch knock out guy, which
is why I didn't think he really was gonna knock
craw It out. But what I was afraid of was
because you see the beef All fight, I thought b
Ball was up nine three and if bon would be
would have lost that last round, that would have been
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a draw. To you understand WIM come from. So it's
like when you notice this, and like you just said,
when you know that, I know how that goes as
a fighter, you know, you got to keep stepping on
the gas. You can't just stop and say, Okay, I
think I got this in the bag. No, look with
how Oscar de la Hoya and pittis the dead. Oscar
one of them early rounds I thought he had in
the bag, took the flow out the gas and they
gave it the trindery deck. You understand him come from.
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So it's like you cannot take your foot off the
gas in no big fight. I don't care who you are.
So that's why a lot of people were mad at
me about the situation where Loma Chinko and Devin Hanney.
You know, I said, but he took a beat beat
him in the.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Level round, that twelfth round.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
But what did it?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
He lost the twelve round. I'm saying, no, no, no,
I'm saying, I'm saying I'm agree with you. I'm saying
Loma did not close the fight.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He lost. Lomah lost the twelve round.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
If you win that twelve round, you might win the fight.
Because the two championship rounds you on the left round
bigger than anybody wanting in around the whole fight. So
if you went the level and twelfth like that you
might get it, but you gave it twelfth round away.
They're not gonna get a decision, bro, I'm sorry. And
so it's like I ain't I mean, one of my
favorite fighters, but you can't go out and take you
foot on the gas, I mean, and didn't get mad
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about it. No, Crawford.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Crawford did what you thought he was gonna do, yep,
and he closed the show. You got to close the show.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
If you really believe that you are better than this man,
you got to close the show. You gotta do it
for twelve rounds and leave no doubt. Because again, if
he'd have lost that twelfth round, we'd have been having
a totally different discussion right now.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And right now.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Terres Crawford, it took him seventeen years to become an
overnight success.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Now you see everybody, Oh, you have you heard about
that Terres Crawford.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
He sure can fight. And it's just like that sometimes
for certain guys. Sometimes some guys catch early and some
guys catch on late. If you know boxing and you
don't have nothing personal against the guy, and you can
think clearly about what you're seeing and you know what
you're seeing ms. Crawford has been the best fighter in
the world for a very long time and he just
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showed it again Saturday night. See great fighters, they rise
in them type of moments. The pressure stick.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
If you lose, the fall out of stick, the reward
is big and heavy. Great fighters rising the moments.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It don't mean you gonna always win every fight, but
it means more times than not, you're gonna rise in
the moments.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
And that's what we saw Terres Crawford do and never
had never seen emotion like that from him after a fight.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It was good to see that. But I want to
jump and talk about a point that you that you
started with about Canelo's class and the way he dealt
with that defeat. I know that defeat her. Canelo doesn't
get to where he's gotten in a sport just accepting
defeat easily. And it would have been so easy to
play off of I thought I won, I thought I
did enough and start to, you know, sound the alarm
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about a robbery and the fan base would have got
behind it.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Canelo said, I didn't have any answers for his style.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I did my best. I trained well. We know that
based on the guys that he had in camp. I
didn't cut corners man. All credit to Terrence Crawford. He's
a great fighter. In fact, he said that he's better
than Floyd Maywell, and that's a whole nother discussion. But
I respect Canelo and I think his fan base, the
ones that are online claiming that, you know that it
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was a robbery and it was a fix for Terrence Crawford.
Boxing hasn't given Terrence Crawford anything up to this point.
They haven't given him anything. Why would they give him
something right now over Canelo ivory is why would they
favor Terrence Crawford over the cash Cole Canelo ivers?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So Crawford earned that win, and I think the fan base,
those that are doing this, I'm not saying all are take.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
The lead from your leader.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
If he's not complaining, if he's not saying it's a robbery,
if he's not saying he was cheated, I think y'all
should follow suit.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Agreed that one hundred percent. Y'all want to say that too,
But I'm also gonna say one more thing, and I'm
gonna tell you right now that I'm sorry if I
rub some people the wrong way because I'm probably gonna
run him the wrong way. But this is what I
do in the way, so I love it and I'm
gonna see it like this. Terres Crawford went and got
it from the mud. You understand me. I tried to
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say examples when I was coming up of how to
do things. Terrence Crawford shows you how to go get
it out the mud. You know what I'm saying. Terrence
been all these years, nobody would ever give Terrence that
shot to become that guy. You know what I'm saying.
Finally Earl gave it to him after five years, and
he became that guy. But most people who were capable
of giving him that shot at that time avoided him
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and then give him that shot. Terrence Earns and I
always have had my most utmost respect because he gets
it out the mud. People like Victor Postal were not weak,
easy to beat guys. Victor Posteral had not really lost.
He got the Bud, but made him look like nothing.
You understand me. Bud been beating these guys that we
don't know a monster's but the game knows they were
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pretty good fighters. Damn good fighters. To be exact, he
been going through anything they brought to him for a
long time. He did not manipulate the game. He hit
the game head on, waited patiently until this time came,
and took full advantage of that night. That's how I
understood boxing to go not people to go out and
do things other ways. Go straight down the line, hit
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that ball straight off the middle. Understand me. That's what
Bud did. The last person I seen him do that.
I got two other people that I love because they
did that. Number one of them was Marvin Hagler. Marvin
Hagler had almost fifty fights before they let him fight
for a title. You understand me. Fifty fights before he
got a shot. You understand me. That's a long time.
That's no manipulation. That's standing in the gap, doing what
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you gotta do to your time come. That's what Bud did.
He stood in the gap till this time came, and
when the time came, he took full advantage of it.
Only the other guy that comes to mind, he did
it different from Bud, but his journey was the same.
That's why people don't understand why I always talk about
this guy, why he always one of my big favorite fighters,
Because I saw him get it out the mud. Nate Kembell.
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Nobody gave h Nate Kemball nothing. Nate Kimbell's B side
for the first.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Half his career.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You understand me. For the first half his career. He
was the B side guy. But couldn't none of them
eight side guys beat it. He got out the mud.
That's what Bud did. And I got nothing but the
utmost respect for people like that because they know how
to go get it. When I came up, I didn't
go with the big promoters. Why Because I wanted to
fight whoever wanted to fight me, whenever they wanted to
fight me, however they want to fight me wherever we
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wanted to fight at. That's what I believed in. That's
how Bud did it, and that's why I love the
most about it.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Not only that, but and I don't want to go
too far down this road, but I'm probably gonna obsess
some people too. There was a point not long ago
where the smear campaign against Crawford was real. There was
a smear campaign about his personality. He doesn't talk, he
doesn't nobody wants to hear him. Know that, you don't
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want to hear so you try to speak for the
masses when the whole time you have a star right here.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You got to learn how to talk to this man.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
If you don't understand his background, maybe we got to
spend more time asking questions instead of making judgments about people.
If you understand his background, it wouldn't be a shock
that he don't want to talk to you, or that
he at least doesn't trust you. Maybe you gotta get
to him a different type of way instead of just
demanding thing because a guy like Crawford, you demand things,
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he gonna shut down.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I ain't got nothing for you. So I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Because again, it took seventeen eighteen years to become an
overnight success. Obviously he's had success and he's been doing
this thing, but I mean this kind of success. And yes,
beating the guy he beat the way he beat him
has a lot to do with that. But it's just
interesting that not long ago, just a few years ago,
all don't nobody want to fight, and he came. You know,
he ain't gonna get the Spence fight. Well, he got
the Spence fight and he performed all. He ain't gonna
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get the Canelo fight even just as recent as the
fight before Canelo, that was a stadium that was full,
and you had writers trying to go do research on
how many tickets were actually sold and how many tickets
were actually given away.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I don't care about what that number is.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
You know why, because if you ain't a good fighter
and you not worth my time, you can give me
whatever you want to give me. I'm not gonna show
up to no stadium and be there all night because
I was a long card that night and come watch
you fight. So even as recent as his last fight,
the fight before Canelo, the smear campaign continued.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I don't hear the smear campaign now.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Them voices got really really quiet, like they typically do
when they get proven wrong, and they either try to
jump on the wagon I knew this kid was gonna
be that, or they get very very quiet and they
start to retreat back to wherever they came from and
they don't have a lot to say. So I'm happy
for this brother for that reason, because they tried to
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bury him Roy it didn't work. He overcame that. He
said give me my shot. I'm gonna show you, and
he kept doing the time and time again, and he
did it again against Canelo Alvera Saturday Night.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yes he survived at all. He's really what they call
a survivor. To go that loan with our people giving
you an opportunity is saying a lot. He really survived
a long time before he got there, and now he's there.
And like I said, there's other stuff that could be said,
but I'm not gonna do it because I don't want
people think I'm trying to smell nobody either, So I'm
gonna shut my mouth and say I appreciate Bud Crawford
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for what he did. I appreciate Canelo for being a sportsman,
this gentleman that was got to give Hi credit feed
But Bud put on a hell of a performance. And
if you didn't see that coming, shame on you. Because
I've been watching this guy since his first upset, which
was against Bradist Prescott. I knew way back then that
this guy was something to deal with young seeing me
and it ain't changed one bit to this day.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And that was the last time. I believe he was
actually then underdog last time.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
But people didn't think when it got fight until last
until Saturday Night did exactly well.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Some people had him underdog against our expense too. But
you know I kind of knew that true. Yeah, I
kind of knew that too.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
But but that's true.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
This guy is a guy who comes up and he
gonna perform to the level of his competition or to
the level of his expectations. And I'm going to say
another thing. To be disciplined enough and to have the
knowledge to know this one, You know, a guy's really
student of the game. He studied enough to know that
the best way to beat Canelo was from the south
past stance. He never switched, not one time in the fight,
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not one time. And I got a friend for san Antonio.
I got to give him credit too, because he's told
me this before the fight, said, watch Bill won't switch orthodox,
not one time in this fight, because he knows he
don't need to. And sure enough he was right.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Coming out of this fight. I want to talk real
quick about where Canelo and Crawford are now and what
they should do next. You hear a lot of talk
about Crawford now, is he a greatest of all time?
That's a tough one for me, man, And you know,
I think he's in the conversation one thousand percent as
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one of the greatest of all time? Is he the
greatest of this generation? I think in terms of what
he accomplished, the type of fighter he is, absolutely and.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
What do you think about where he where this lands
him now.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
And even with the pound for pound you know, in
a way Usik and Crawford, they're calling them the three
Kings Now.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I think Crawford has been the best for a long time.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I love what Usik is doing. I love it in
a way is doing. But I just think the road
that Crawford has taken. I think the way that he's
done it, the level in which he's done it, not
to say they haven't done it at that level, and
the duration of time in which he's done it. I
think he is the number one pound for pound fighter
in the world right now. And I think he's one
of the greatest of all times, and he is the
best of this generation. He's by far the best of
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the generation of all times. Hard to say, Ali gonna
always be my goat, you understand me, And it's just
gonna be the regardless then as far as the power
politicist right now, it definitely goes Crawford, Oh sick anyway,
and it goes by not only longevity, but the things
you had to go through to get there, you know
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what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Mean, this guy had to go through way more than
opponents to get to where he is right now, understanding,
Which is why Ali always be the gold in my book,
because Alie went through way more than just opponents to
do the things that he did and still became the
most noted face on the planet with no social media.
You know what I'm saying, me he went talking about
he went through way more than just boxing opponents who
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also happened to dominate to become the goat, you know,
unders saying. That's why I'll never take that title from
Hammad Ali. I won't give it to nobody, including myself,
because we didn't go through what he went through. And
he still dominated the sport at a time when the
best fought the best, at a time when everybody in
the top ten could have been the world champion any
given night, at a time when it wasn't even right
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to be his color and do the things that he did,
at the time when things were so drastic, He's still
dominated and was still the most known man in the world,
not just America, in the world, you know, understanding, mean
so Ali would always be the goat. But budd has
put itself and I text him and told him that
welcome to the goat neighborhood, brou because he in it. Now,
you say, when you talk about goats, he he in
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that neighborhood, So you got to move over over and
let him. He just kicked that door in and gotten
that goat status.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Not so on the street he got.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
You feel all of us got houses on the area
on that in that neighborhood. He definitely got a house
in that neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Now, because the goat conversation is also subjective, right, like
you got the hard facts who you follow when you're
fought your era, But but some of it is personal
where it's like, you know, I got a lot of
young fighters saying, man, you my goat. I accept that
you got because I'm your goat. With the impact that
I've had on you. How you watch me, what you've
taken from me? Uh, I'm not gonna deny you that.
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So sometimes the goat conversation, the overall goat conversation, is
very subjective and very personal depending on who you talk to.
And you just mentioned that for yourself, and that's why
It's hard for me too, because I start looking at
the era that they were in, the opponents that they fought,
and who they were when they fought them, how dangerous
that era was.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
How many rounds did they fight? How many total fights
did they have?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
One hundred and fifteen sixteen seventeen for Sugary Robinson, Ali
had seventy. Like come on, man, like we you know
this just some different type of stuff. And that's why
I would never accept anybody. And I have fans, are
you I'm I'm not gonna put myself down if you
want me to be your goat.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I know I'm on the street, I got my house,
you're in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I'm not in that category because I just got too
much respect for these dudes.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Let's pivot to Canelo Alvarez. What does he do from here?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Well, it's tough to say, because he's made enough enough
money today he can retire. He really had nothinglugh to prove.
We saw him go up. He tested he did like boyd.
He tests himself all the way up. Suppose he could go.
He won a light Headway title, then he lost, So
it showed us that the light Headway was his ceiling
and that's good enough. Really right now you got nonheing's
to proved, you know what I mean. Of course, if
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you keep fighting people going to maand you fight the
monster because both you guys are Mexican. But to me,
you probably shouldn't do that. You understand me. It's probably
not a good fight for you at this point for real,
especially come out for lost to Terrence Crawford. It's just
to me, I don't see the hunger. They have to
really beat the monster, understand mean. And that's what my
problem was already. I didn't think it was a good
fight for him because I don't think the hunger is there.
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Terrence Crawfort just showed us that the hunger is really
not there anymore like that, you understand me. So you
have to be extraordinarily hungry to go out there and
beat the monster, because you gotta put pressure on him
from around one around twelve or it's not gonna work.
And if you're not hungry, you're not gonna do that.
Same thing he would have had due to tanz Kauft,
he would have to put pressure on him around one. Rind,
I'm trying solid pressure, no no s paper between him
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he had be in his chest for twelve round but
he ain't hungry enough to really do that. So if
you're not hungry enough to do that, don't waste your time.
Just just call the day. Because everybody gonna want to
see you fight the monster. I don't know they're gonna
be cool to fight anybody else, but they're gonna keep
pushing the monster narrative at you, or they're gonna see
you fight. But again, now you fight, But again, that's good,
that's not a bad idea because it was a good fight.
(45:12):
I thought you dominated the early rounds, Buddy took over
it really counted, and won the most of the later rounds,
and I thought, you know, it was a very good
competitive fight. Just that at the end, boy prevailed. Boy
took over most of the last half of the fight,
and that's that's what champions really do. So if you
want to come back and try to avenge that, okay,
But I don't really see that happening either. Yeah, so
(45:33):
I think I think I think that's a rep too.
So for me, I think he should probably just gonna
retire now there's nothing ness there. I don't think he
has the hunger to go out and put up not
to compete with the people that people want to see
him compete with. You feel me. Now, he wants to
have a few more fights for himself, that's cool, But
then he's gonna get so it's gonna get very tainted
with the fact they gonna say, yeah, you fight, but
(45:54):
you avoid the monster. You understand me. That's gonna tank
the rest of his career if he keeps trying to fight.
So it's better for him to just call the day.
I would like to see Canelo retire too. I don't
think he will, though. He's got a multi fight deal
with Turkey Ala Chic.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's a lot of money on the table, and he's
a proud, proud champion, so I can understand him not
wanting to end on that note. But you can see
Canelo getting older, and I'm not just talking about ring.
I mean you can see it in his face. You know.
For the Netflix special behind the scenes, you kind of
see you kind of see the age, you see the
wear and tear. The man has been fighting as a
professional since he was fifteen years old.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Twenty years got over.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, it's a long time to be getting hit with
a downson ten down gloves even if you take it well,
and oftentimes the guys that take it well, they show
it more because I'm absorbing a lot of shots and
you're giving me praise to absorbing them shots.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
But them shots take a toll.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
So I don't know how much longer he should keep fighting.
And it's not because he can't fight anymore. Still one
of the best fighters in the world. But you get
into the hunger conversation, you get into the total punishment
that you got to add that stuff up when you
start getting older, Like Okay, man, you know, do I
still need to do this? He doesn't need to do
(47:05):
it other than just his love for it, because his
mantra is no boxing, no life. So I don't know
if he's gonna be able to walk away right now.
His legacy is secure. I think he's one of the
greatest Mexican fighters that has ever done it. I think
he's in the great category. In conversation, we can break
(47:26):
down the resume another day, but I think that given
the way that he fought and giving the way that
he bowed out, I think you just got to just
leave it right there and give him his respect. I
would like to see him maybe take one or two
more and call it a day, going joy the fruits
of his labor.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Terms of Terrence Crawford.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Selfishly, you want to see him fight again multiple times. Personally,
I wouldn't be mad if I never see Terrence fight again.
That the way he performed getting ready to be thirty eight?
I think in a few days, man, what better way
to go? Wow? What better way to tell the game goodbye?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Well?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
What better way?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Who you gonna fight?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I was arguing Max on the way to the venue
about Boots Innis. Nah, we don't go fight Canelo and
then go fight, go go back and fight Boots in Ers.
I saw a report today somebody was talking about, uh
him going up to light heavyweight. Nah, we don't go
up to light heavyway. We just went up three way
classes since suspends fighting two way classes since the Magic
(48:30):
Mall fight, my last fight.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
This is the perfect sind Off, Roy yep.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
In my opinion, it's the perfect sind.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Off without a question. See, here's another thing I forgot
to say. Say. I've probably seen it before, but when
you look at the two fights that I looked at,
I said, when Charlo came to fight Canelo from fifty
four he put no muscle mass on. He didn't look
at the blueprint, He didn't look at how that should
be done. When he moved up, he just moved up
and Sam so to me, you really ain't serious about
(48:56):
beating him. But when Bud finished the Magic Moll fight,
he started, well, he was already put on a weight
then for the met More fight to come up and
fight Canilo. He was always looking way down the line.
When a guy goes and puts on a weight like
that to what he got to pull down in sixty eight,
you knew then he was dead serious. The only thing
you had to worry about it once he take that
first one and see what that's like. It's a rep
for him, and you kind of saw that too. So
(49:17):
when I saw the way he put the weight on,
I already knew that was gonna be trouble. Like I said,
it's just not my job to tell nobody, but I
reknew it.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Well, man, we're gonna leave.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
It right there. Roy uh again, man, condolences to the
Hattan family.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
We're gonna miss him. Man.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
You know, Ricky hadn't. I didn't never met him.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I don't think personally I did, at least face I did,
and he was a brilliant person just everything he was
inside of the ring, he was that outside of the ring. Yes,
I'm trying to think off I met him at one
of the early Hall of Fame events. Possibly possibly, but
I don't. We haven't had a lot of interaction, but
I watched him from Afar, have a lot of respect
for him and man, condolences to the family. We're gonna
(50:00):
leave it there and wrap this up, man, great fight weekend.
A lot still to talk about. I keep hearing whispers
as though I keep hearing, I keep hearing people say
that boxing is still dying, Roy But if boxing is dying, man,
it's a slow dead. Boxing is hard to kill because
I've been hearing about boxing dying for so many years now,
(50:22):
even from boxing people, But we still not dead. You
can't put on an event like that if boxing is dead,
you can't have the viewership. And we waiting for the
viewership for Netflix to come out. But it's going to
be a record whatever it is for an all time
watched boxing match. So I hear what y'all saying, but
I'm too busy watching what boxing is doing. That's a
(50:45):
rap for us on the Hall of game,
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