September 25, 2025 • 40 mins
Andre Ward and Roy Jones Jr. break down Jake Paul vs Gervonta “Tank” Davis, weighing power, experience and what really decides this matchup. They go deep on the good, the bad and the business of boxing exhibitions, with first‑hand stories from Roy’s Tyson exhibition and Dre’s perspective on what matters to fans. The legends also unpack how sanctioning bodies shape the sport, purses and legacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Whatever support Ward Jones dream hang out with my man
Andrew Ward. We threw Hall of Famers to bring y'all
a new show called a Hall of Game, a show
where we discussed boxing, sports, life and entertainment.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
From our view, how much better than neck? Can you get?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Me and Roy don't always agree. The one thing you
will get is a Hall of Fame? What the game?
Top of the Morning, Top of the Morning, Roy Rogers,
how you doing, my brother? With what you got going
on on on the farm on the eighty acres? But
what's going on this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And good Dre.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You know I'm taking these Everything is going coprosthetic around here,
you know, not really much happening, getting callsed some crazy names.
But you know that's just by the other people that
live here. So that's really about it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You know, you know.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
That's gonna happen. You know, before before we came on, uh,
we were talking about I said, man, I gotta I
gotta get me some land. You know, I know you
got you you on the eighty acres. And I'm in
a subdivision where I live and I'm still dealing with HOA.
I can't I can't work on my car if I
want to I got to send a letter and get
permission to do whatever I want to do. Ry listen,
(01:10):
when I had the basketball, you ain't got to worry
about that though, not here, but listen, I this this,
This is what I went through, Drake.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I went through where you are right now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
When I was at that creb with the basketball court,
I moved some woods back some because it was too
many watermocks and showing up. The HOA got mad at me,
said I had to play every tree back and say
it was a snake habitat. Now the snakes are we
gonna bite and kill your kids. They told me, no, no, no,
you got to leave put that back just like it
was because the snakes have a habitat there and were
(01:37):
trying to protect the snakes who are also trying to
kill my kids. So it's time to go right. I
came back.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I had to the eighty eight acres. I ain't got
to worry about none of the HOA stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I am now lave it, Yes sir, yes, sir, I'm
still working on it. I'm still working on it.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Today we're gonna talk about some man. You know, it's
it's it's something that you had participated in. It's something
that I'm rumored from time to time to be a
participant in, but hasn't happened yet. And it's something that
I think if it's the wrong fight or matchup, it
seems to get under your skin. I start seeing you
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get agitated, start seeing your eye twitching a little bit,
and you start getting a little antsy in the chair.
And that's the topic of exhibitions, boxing exhibition. So today
on Hall of Game, this is gonna be the exhibition addition.
We're gonna talk all things boxing exhibitions or exhibition matchups.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
If it's some crossover going on.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
But I want the fans to understand something because sometimes
these phenomenons come back around or they start to get
very popular again. But people gotta realize.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
These exhibitions have been going on for a very long time.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I'm gonna just go back to former heavyweight champion John L.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Sullivan. John L.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Sullivan, he toured, He fought at local towns and small
groups to bill morale, give people an opportunity that otherwise
wouldn't be able to go to a boxing match or
a championship boxing match.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It's a way for fighters to supplement their income.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Back then, and to also just continue to build their
name and their fan base. You look at the great
Joe Louis, Joe Lewis, he was enlisted in the military
and he would go and fight to Bill Morale and
to get money for the US War interest.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
One of the greatest fighters.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Arguably of all time, depending on where you land on
that skill Sugary Robinson, Showy Robinson toured to supplement his
income to showcase his skill set.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The great Muhammad Ali did it.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
He did a crossover exhibition in Japan with a wrestler,
and we're gonna talk a little bit more about that
in just a second. But he also did boxing exhibitions,
and I can go down the list of great champions
that did this for various reasons. But now in the
twenty first CENTUS, it's a lot of talk about these
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boxing exhibitions or just exhibitions in general. And I got
to get show take at the top of this conversation,
because it seems like there's some exhibitions that you are
okay with, but then it seems like it's some exhibitions.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
That you're not okay with.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And I just need to understand the logic behind it,
because last time I checked Royd. You've done one, two, three,
four exhibitions and your biggest exhibition came against Iron Mike Tys.
Y'all did big number, crazy numbers, one point six million,
eighty million in revenue. And for me, it's about nostalgia,
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it's about entertainment, and for y'all being great fighters and
you know, getting older, I still want to see the
competition at this age.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So most of these exhibitions I don't have a problem with.
But roy you did them. I think if they if
they call you with the right.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Number now and the right opponent that gets you interested,
you might still do it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Why you feel in the type of way about some
of these exhibitions?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Which one am I feeling in the type of way about?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
You know which one I'm talking about? Mike Tyson Floyd Mayweather.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh, I didn't say I feel a certain webbit. I
just said it just don't interest me.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's two guys that are so far a part in
weight that if it is not interested in me, Because
do I think Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather would have
been a great fight in their primes?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, So it don't interest me like that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know what I'm saying mean, and now if I
thought would have been a great fight in their primes
and they're both older, yeah, I want to see how
they still do it in older age, just because I
like to see what would happen. But these two guys
would never even coo to be in a fight in
their prime. So what's it gonna be? Now, how's that
gonna work out? You feel them confirmed? He's not gonna
make heavyweight. He's never been a heavyweight, and he's gonna
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be above two hundred power, So how is that gonna
be even a fight to look?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Unless he don't fight, you understand, mean?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So it's like for me, that don't really interest me
because I can't see the mythological idea of.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Them really being in the ring.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
People could see the mythological idea of myself and Mike
Tyson fighting, because after I won the heavyweight title, I
told them people playing and clear, the only person that
I will stay at heavyweight four is Mike Tyson. If
Mike Tyson doesn't want to fight me right now while
I'm at heavyweight, then I'll go back down and recapture
the light Headway title like I thought Bob Fitzimmons did.
(06:32):
You understand me. So it's not like I have a
problem with exhibitions. It's just that it has to be
something that I can fathom in my mind. Wow, that
would have been a great exhibition to seek. Like right now,
if somebody said, hey, how would you like to see
an exhibition between andree Ward and Tears Off for at
one seventy five exhibition, that's a beautiful exhibition.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's two great guys in the ring together.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You're gonna see even though are is paid beyond his crime,
you still gonna see some great things about how they think.
You're not gonna get the firewall you would have gotten
in Andre's prime, but you gonna see a lot of
how that would have worked out mentally, because Andre gonna
work some of that out mentally.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So it's like, I'm interested in exhibitions that make sense.
Now to Tank's credit, I'm interested in the Tank Jake
Paul exhibition because I know for a fact that if
they do it for real, Tank is capable. Although he's small,
he's capable of knocking Jake Paul out, just like Jake
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Paul probably capable of knocking him out because he's so.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Much bigger, so you believe that.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I believe without a question, without a question, if they
fight for real, if they don't, if they say no,
well we're gonna take care of Jake just wanted to
go through it and learn more, then he might not
knock him out, you understand me. But if they do
it for real, Tank is highly capable of taking Jake
Paul out. So the exhibitions that I like to see
are ones that either I can mythically look at and say, wow, well,
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if he would have did that back when he was
ten years younger or eight year or twelve years ago,
he would have beat him. You know what I'm saying,
Because you can we know boxing, We can see what
the landscape looks like without even seeing it, you understand me.
So exhibition amongst two people that are that or worth that,
or one that is that, one that was that, that
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tells people that know the game, that tell us a lot.
Exhibition between people who are way apart, it's not gonna
tell us nothing because both y'all are high level boxes,
but y'all so far apart that that was something no
one ever found them. And to be honest, I ain't
gonna go that far because you're gonna get mad at
me again, So I was gonna keep it at that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
No.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
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Speaker 6 (08:47):
Is that the fight that everybody wanted to see? No,
but it's gonna wind up being a big fight. And
I know when it's started. People want to see Jake,
people want to see Tank. So essentially it's a fight
that people want to see, they just won't admit it.
I believe this started because someone in the camp of
Paul said, don't mess with Tank because.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
He'll knock you out. The fighter is an exhibition. Exhibition
means nothing.
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Speaker 4 (09:42):
I'm gonna go back to your exhibition with Mike, and
then we're gonna double back to.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Javonte Davis and Jake Paul.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So, Mike is fifty four, you were fifty one at
that time, and I do understand what you're saying. That
makes sense to me on your Takes On exhibition.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
That makes sense to me. How did that fight? How
did that exhibition come about?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Because everybody's mind of their own business in their fifties,
and all of a sudden the phone rings, So how
did that fight come up?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
That exhibition come about?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
With y'all?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
They called me, They said, Mike's want to do it.
Mike wants to do an exhibition, but it needs a
dance partner. Would you dance with him? I wanted to
fight him when I wanted the Headway title anyway, so
quite naturally, Yeah, I want to see what that's like.
I wanted to see what it was like back then.
Like I just told you, a lot of times, exhibitions
gives us an insight of what could have happened back
if they were in at the same time, or had
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they fought in their primes. So I want to see
the insight. When they called me, I was more happy
that he wanted to give me the chance to get
the ring and look at him for ree here than
I was about to fight, You understand me. I wanted
to be there and see what that would have been like, because,
like I said, after, I wanted a Headway title. I
made it playing and clear that the only person that
I was stayed at Headway poor was Mike Texon.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Right right, Well, but how does that work though? At
that age and for an exhibition? If I'm not mistaking,
y'all fall two many rounds or did y'all fight two
many rounds ten two minute rounds?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I believe right?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
How's the training different for something like that? How do
you turn on for something like that?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, you turn on because you know, first of all,
they said listen because y'all both are older. If we
see y'all trying to tear it to the head off,
we're gonna stop it. So that was cool.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
They said that.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
They said that, So that was cool to hear that.
But Mike don't know how to play might like a
pit bulldog.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I didn't see nobody not trying to tear nobody's head off.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I've seen Mike don't know how to play shot, just
I didn't see that getting played out.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I told him, Mike don't know how to play. I
heard what they were saying, but Mike don't know how
to play. So I got up on bad knees and
still ran three miles every morning because I knew that
my knees and legs need to be in shape enough
to get away from this dude, because he ain't even
go out that list to what they say. Instantly, first
time he hitting my chest, it felt like a mule
that kicked me in the chest, I said, oh my god,
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to do can punch? Okay, well, I expected that he
could punch, but I didn't know that he still had
that kind of power at fifty four years old.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So what round was that?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
That was the first round? Fair? First round? I said, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Then at I think by the second or third roud,
I hit him on a hook and he was like, okay,
good shot, because he knew I mean you keep coming.
Then about the fourth or the fifth round, he took
the laces and laced me in the face.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Dude, nobody sees this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
The ref don't know what he's looking at for real,
because it was supposed to get exhibition. But this dude, this,
this this Mike, Mike don't know how to play.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You understand me?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So yeah, I mean it just it blew my mind.
But yeah, it was funny. Did you get ready though, yeah,
of course. Did you leave home for that or did
you stay You stay home for that with the California
and p A and got ready for real? This Mike
Tyson was talking about. We're not talking about somebody like
I said, they said what they want to say. This
dude is is Mike Tyson. You know what I'm saying
mean so and I'm not saying don't do this, don't
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do that. No, I want to see how it's gonna
be anyway, So I want to get ready so I
can really a mind too to see how it's gonna be.
You understandn't come fust get my readitt teed off.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Man, I like for me again, I said this. I
said this a couple of weeks ago on the show.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I said, man, it's not too many boxing purests that
are that are that are more purest than me, Like,
I really understand the game. I appreciate the game, but
most of these exhibitions I don't have a problem with.
Like to your point about a matchup that didn't happen,
then I can reimagine.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Okay, I know they're older, but I want to see
what happened.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I want to see what type of shap Roy come
in at at fifty one, see what type of shape
Mike can get in.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
At fifty four.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
And it ain't never a bad idea to make some
money at that stage in your life and your career.
I just feel like, if guysn't gave you thirty forty,
fifty sixty real fights, Like if there's a matchup that
we can have that can spark the interests of the people,
and we can do numbers. Even if it's Mike Tyson
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and Jake Paul, you can't tell me. Even if it's
Mike Tyson and Jake Paul, Mike Tyson and the majority
of them, Jake brought what he brought to the dance,
but Mike brought what he brought. Mike, that's Mike Tyson,
that's Iron Mike Tyson and Mike. Mike was a genius
with them. Thirty second clips they was putting out leading
up to that fight. Boy, Mike had you thinking he
was he was back, you know, and he was back
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to a point. But that age won't let you sustain that.
You know, that that intensity and that ferocity that you showing.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
But if you can do that at a certain age,
let guys get their money.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
They've already given you the show forty fifty sixty times out.
If I can get something that can spark the public's interest,
why not, I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Like I said, all the problem three that I said,
I really not interested because, like I said, they would
have know fought in their day, So I didn't want
to see that because Tom Mayweather Tyson. That's why I said,
I'm not interested, because they never would have fallt in
that break in that day just would not have happened.
So it's like that's the only reay I said, I'm
not really intrigued about that one. If it's a box
and a person that don't box and like like tanks
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Jake Paul for instance, and it got such a big
weight gap. Now that makes it kind of even on
the exhibition scale, you feel me, So now we want
to see one.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Got experience and one got weight inside.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Your feeling, So that makes it want to see what's
gonna happen with this. He's bigger, but he has experience experience.
That makes for a good exhibition because everybody wants to
know what's gonna happen, you know what I'm saying me.
But when it's like even he great, but he older,
but he way bigger. He great, but younger and but
he's way smaller, it's kind of is he really gonna
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come in and try to kill him? And if he
did do that, what will people think about him? You
understand what' comeing from. So it's like for me, it's
a no win for Mike because if you come out
of smash floor, people say, why would you do that
to him?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know you're a heavywear. He ain't up be no heavyweight.
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
If Lloyd comes out of our box, Mike, okay, they
would they would live with that. But Mike can win.
If he wins, he's not gonna be good. If he loses,
he's not gonna be good. So there's no win for Mike.
So it's like for me, but Mike is gonna win, understand,
but look that he is going that for what I'm
saying for me, the money, he'll win, yes, but out Saturday,
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everything else is lost. And like they say to me,
I don't think he cares, though at this point.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
He popped up. But all money ain't good money, but
he pop don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And I really don't think if Mike can survive all
the stuff that was said about him leading up to
the Jake Paul fight and and and after after it
was way worse, you know, because Mike, so the marketing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Wa wait, so do you want to go through that again?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Who?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Mike just might want to go through that again. If
you don't, he's going through it. If you don't, he's cool.
So he going through it right now?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What it is?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Could you saw the reaction.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
With the Floyd With the Floyd maywere an announcement, but
it ain't even fully announced.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They just put the art workout, So you.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Set himself up through the same thing again as the money.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I don't think he cares.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
If you don't care, school, you don't care school.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Mike, And Mike is a business man. That's fine, that's fine,
that's what I think. Okay, And you know, so if
he's a.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Businessman, he's gonna wear at the bank, but he's gonna
lose in the ring. That's quite obvious if you're a businessman.
So now you just really don't think he can said,
but now you gave me the outcome, which is what
we can't expect anyway. So why I would pay the
wife that.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, maybe maybe it's maybe it's maybe maybe it's the
little the little.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Kid in me, the fan, the boxing fan.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Like I know Floyd is older, I know Mike is older,
but I want.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
To see what happened. I want to see how this
thing play out. That's me.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
So even when I look at Javonte Davis and Jake Paul,
the size differential is enough where Jake Paul is good enough,
where people say, oh, he's terrible. Jake Paul is not
a world class fighter. I don't care how a person
feel about that. Fighters that started in their formative years
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like we did eight nine, ten, We got too much
time in. Jake will never catch up to that. He'll
never catch up to that. We just got too much
time in. But I've always tipped the hat to him
because he is in the gym with a real boxing team.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I know the BJ Flores, Jay Leon Love, and a
few others.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He got in there and he's got real fighters in there.
He's getting the black eyes, he's getting the marks, he's
trying to become better, and he's respectable enough where if
you foolish, you can't get knocked out, you can't get
hurt with that right hand. I don't know if he's
gonna land that with Javonte Davis, but the size difference
is enough where if he does land, he can hurt Javonte.
But Javante has been fighting bigger guys and sparring bigger
guys his whole life. That's what people don't understand. They
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keep talking about weight classes are there for a reason.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
But some guys, and I said this about Crawford, some
guys been beating up on.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Big dudes for a long time.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
They've been sparring light heavies and heavies for a long time.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
This ain't nothing new.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Now it's different, right in a real situation like this,
they do have a y'all, keep me honest on this.
I think they went up on the gloves. The size
of the gloves are bigger than they normally would be.
But on a Javontae piece Man Gavanta, he went life
and death with Lamar.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Roach in his last fight.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
A lot of people thought that Lamar Roach was gonna
get knocked out as soon as he got touched, right.
Lamar Roach was telling people before the fight, I know him,
like we came up together.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I know him.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
This isn't gonna be what you think is gonna be.
And Lamart Roach that did his thing. It's controversy about
the knee that Javonte Davis took where the referee did
not call. He started to count, but he did not count.
That that could have been and should have been the
difference in that fight because he did take a voluntary knee.
There was a lot of talk about the rematch. What
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was reported initially was rematch first because Javonte has to
get some get back in a sense and restore his
reputation even his fans. Hey, bro, we got to do
better on this next one. And I heard that the
exhibition with Jake Paul was gonna be in November. Lamart
Roach's business first, then November, Then all of a sudden
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you start. The Lamar Roach situation wasn't a thing anymore,
and it was just Jake Paul.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
And I don't know if it's because the Anthony.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Joshua Jake Paul situation fell out. Jake double back and
was like, no, I need a dance partner. We got
to get this now or it's not gonna be available.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Here's here's here's my take. Here's my take on Davis.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I don't remember the last time that I've heard Javontae
Davis say I'm in boxing to be the greatest fighter
of all time.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I can't remember.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I've heard him say that he's better than certain guys
in his weight class, or this kid can't beat me.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I've heard that.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I can't remember, And maybe y'all can keep me honest online.
The last time I've heard Javontae Davis talk about his
legacy in the ring like like I'm building my legacy.
I'm trying to outdo Floyd legacy, Like I think.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
It started like that for him.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
But the influence of Floyd Mayweather money man, not pretty boy,
but the money man, and building your brand and selling
tickets and selling pay per views and becoming a household name.
That's also a legacy. You got the legacy in the ring,
and you got the legacy in terms of how you sold.
I believe Javontay Davis is more focused on selling tickets
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and making money and securing his future for himself and
his family. He set it out of his own mouth.
I ain't got nothing else to prove. Well, depends on
what your goal is. It depends on what you're trying
to do. If you're trying to be one of the
greatest fighters of all time, it's still a whole lot
to prove. My point is, roy is I don't think
should everybody hold this man to the standard that they
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hold them to and say, you not fighting nobody? Yeah,
you making money, but you ain't really fought nobody. If
he don't even care about that, that's not even something
that he's really focused on. If his main focus is
the money and his main focus is getting out of
without getting hurt and retiring on his own terms, shouldn't
shouldn't his fan base and other people get on board
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with that? If he if that's not even his goal,
tell she's gonna be hold him to something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
If he don't even hold himself to that.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
They definitely should get on board with that.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
They definitely should because I mean, his mentor did it
basically the same thing, So why can't he do it?
You know what I'm saying. He made more money than anybody,
He was smarter than everybody. He didn't take too many
stupid risks. That's what he did, and they worked for him,
and people okay with that and accepting it. So why
can't Tank do it? Tank can do the same thing
the mentor did. That's what the mentors for the teacher.
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You have to do this thing the smart way and
not get you hurt, not to have to take no risks,
not to take many chances. So if that's what you learn,
if that's the easy way out, why not do that.
But y'all gave him credit for us or y'all can't
give him credit for it. He can do the same
thing that this guy did. Everybody had their own mentors,
their own pound for pounds, the own people they want
to be like. If he want to be like that
guy that y'all don't say is great and was one
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of the best ever, why can't he do it? So
I'm cool whatever he said he want to do in
my old day. No, that wouldn't work for me because
that's not how I work. But that's not how I
grew up. That's not how my mentors grew up. But
he is dead and that's what he saw and it
got him paid. So nowady, most guys just want to
get paid. They're really interested in interested in all the
legacy and being the best of their weight division or
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being the best. They ain't interested in that no more
so with that interest being throwed to the wolves. Now
all this kind of stuff is cool because if your
fan base is cool with it, and now it is,
and if the fan base ain't cool with it, if
he make a lot of if you make fifty tow
one hundred million fights J Paul, they'll be cool with
it because they cool with you making money. That's what
the fan bases are on now they have But you
just making money being good.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Back in our day, they won't be cool with that.
You had to pool you was the best.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
They thought you fought because you want to be the
best of the division or the best of your error.
They didn't think you fought for just money or just
fame for being rich. Now you're fighting for fames just
to be rich. That's how the game has changed. There's
been a drastic shift. Care about being the goat in
our class will came ut being a goat ten years down,
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twenty years down the line.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
We don't care about that, no, Moore.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
And that's what people don't understand when I say stuff
this to kind of stuff I'm talking about right now,
I understand I'm not on air, and I know why
I'm not on air. If somebody come in and say, hey,
we're gonna get rid of all these belts, make one
time and do this, then that takes away the history
of all the hard things you and I work for,
right right, And we're not gonna just sit there quietly
and say, get rid of the IBF, get rid of
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the BIER, get rid of WC, give itri a WBO.
We're not gonna go for that because that takes out
all the stuff we work so hard and so diligently
to do. Y'all trying to erase that. So y'all don't
want to put me on the air because y'all know
I'm not gonna be for that. I'm gonna against that,
which is cool. I'm not mad about it. I'm cool
with that, because I am gonna stand on my two
when it come to me talking about me being a
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world chap. I wanted to be like Muhammed and Ali.
Understand me. I'm not gonna lie by. I can't tell
you nothing, no difference. I wanted to be the best
in my division. As a matter of fact, I want
to be the best around my division, not just in
my division, even around my division, I want to be
the best. Today's fight us. They have been taught that
that's not going to do it nowadays. Nowadays go for
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the bag, for everybody is going for the bag.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
They're not only going for the bag.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
But when you talk too much about legacy, it's almost
like the younger generation lasts at the older generation, like
y'all some food, of course.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Like y'all, y'all really fought him for that amount of money.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Of course, you fought for these guys back to back
to back to back for this amount of money. It's
almost like, oh, y'all got robbed, you tripping, And I'm
gonna talk about the sanctioning bodies and all that stuff
because I'm torn on that.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You know, I understand what you're saying on one hand,
but we.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Didn't give away a whole lot of tuition, mortgages and
a whole lot of other stuff to get a belt
that ain't even real. So I understand what the belt means,
and I understand how the sanctioning bodies work with the
promoters and the title and being a champion is built
into your contract. If you become a champion within this
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four or five year period, I get to extend you
another two years. Or if you become a champion within
this five years now your minimum amount of money it
goes up. So it's a whole discussion about the sanctioning
bodies and their placing boxing and if they should be
in there. But I want to stay on these these
these exhibitions, and I really want to touch on a
fan base thing that you just said right now, because
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I've never seen nothing like this in the sport of boxing.
If you see responses from fans, they don't even argue
who's better anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
They're arguing who's the A side and who's.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Not, Who's who's.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
A draw and who y'all don't know a left hook
from a fish hook, and you talking about who's the
draw and who's the A side? Y'all just regard to
taking information that you got from a podcaster or a
YouTube or a writer that you like. You don't really
know how this stuff works most of the fans. But
that's the point that I'm making. It's not about proving.
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When you say, young fighters don't want to prove, and
it's still a few out there, and I think the
Terrece Crawfords of the world, I think he's one of
the last of a dying breed, right. But with the
rise of social and you being able to build your
own platform, Roy when you.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Say prove, question is proved to who? Because if I.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Can prove to my five hundred a million, two million,
four million followers, as long as they believe that I'm
a goat and that I'm him and that I've done
enough and everybody's ducking me, that's enough. That's the validation
that helps cats sleep good at night. The validation that yourself,
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myself and other people was after was number one.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Me.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I gotta feel comfortable living with me. I gotta walk
around and live with myself and be like, bro, are
you really here? Then it's my people, my coach, my
god daddy, my circle. I gotta look my kids in
the face, and I want them to know that my
daddy the best fighter in the world. Then it's the public,
and really it's not even a public because they wish
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you washy too roy.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
For me, really it's really the fraternity.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
See, the real answer is what do your peers say
about you?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
How do they feel about you?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Because most of the time, unless it's some personal stuff
going on, a fighter gonna keep it a hunting fans
can say what they wanted to you didn't fight nobody
a fighter come in and say you tripping, he thought
this guy that got this guy, this guy. So it's
just brother. The validation is from the fan base. The
validation is from your followers. As long as they feel
like you the guy, that's enough. So we're not even
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on the even playing field right now. And we start
talking about proving something to somebody, because the proving is
social YouTube. My platform is not the world anymore. So
it's not even your peers anymore. So for me, because
I'm older than you, I must go again. I always
have to tell you this every podcast. I don't know why,
but I always have to re marry that I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Older than you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Let me take you down, let me take you down
my street. My street.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Don't go there my street, and about my peers, my street,
and about the fans my street. To be honest with you,
my street starts with God, the Creator, and what he
gave me, and what I'm supposed to do with what
the Creator gave me. That's where my star from me.
I ain't worry abou wudn't or nobody else said. If
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I do what I'm supposed to do, what the Creator
gave me, everything else should fall in place.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Is everybody gonna be that way? No, because everybody ain't
never like nothing. You understand me. Everybody didn't like Jesus.
Everybody ain't gonna like nothing. But for the most of them,
for the ones that listened, and the ones that learn,
and the ones that take the example, and the ones
that really see the examples gonna appreciate God's work because
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they can see God's work through you and me. You
understand me. So I'm not concerned about what they better think.
I'm concerned only about what God says, because if God
gave it to me and I don't use it to
the mix of my ability, then I've let God down,
or I'm not showing that I'm appreciative of what God
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gave me, which is why I'm so big on challenges,
which is why I'm so big on diversity, which is
why I'm so big on perseverance. You gotta persevere through
the hard times to get to the good times if
you believe in what God gave you. If you don't
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believe in that, then you're gonna find other ways to
manipulate the system and do things differently. And that's why
some athletes that people look upon and say that's their
favorite athlete, I can understand why he's your favorite athlete,
and I'm cool with that. There's nothing to do with me.
He just he'll never be my favorite athlete. But that's
just my opinion, you understand. Mean, So it's like the
ones that I love, the ones I believe in, the
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ones that I revered in this game, or ones that
I see with that mindset. Now, to take you one
step further, I tell you this because I say this
inside of my own household, because of what I did.
Is a lot of fighters that fought, a lot of
fighters that fighters, a lot of fighters that still try
to do and emulate what I did. But two of
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the last two that I really really mess with and
would die still messing with because they came after me.
But they carried my mentality with them was andre Ward
and Terrence Crawford understand me and not even Usik because
they thrive to be the best. They ain't worry about
what's there. They just want to be the best. They
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know what's they're gonna come if they get to be that.
But them three want to be that. It's a few more,
but them three for sure wanted to be the best.
I know who they watched growing up because they think
like they got them. You understand me, That's what I
look for. But that's why I think God would have
wanted me to put out there and show those that
were watching me n me.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's what That's what I teach.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, and I understand it and I respect it.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And we also got to touch on how certain who
certain guys came up under.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
So to your point about.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Javonte Davis and others, right like like certain guys came
up under certain people. So this is my this is
my primary influence right here. I want to be like
him and me and you debate about this, but I
respect the pretty Boy Floyd era. You know, and I
respect the money made era even you know, like.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Even Floyd's facing a.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
My donna, right like, that's not my Donna's not an
all time great. But for a dude that's thirty five
thirty six fighting that dude twice, that's a very solid pick.
That's a very solid pick when you could have picked
somebody else. And I don't think that. Just to be clear,
I don't think that fighters. But I don't care how
old school your mentality is. I don't think it's smart
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to face another dog, another killer every fight out.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
You gotta have a number one contender in there, a
B level guy in there.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Oh this is straight tune up right here. No, let
me go back to another hitter this next fight. Three
fights that I don't think. I don't subscribe to that,
because we gotta think long term, Like you don't have
to prove.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
You got to prove every fight that you still to God.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
But I think that every now and again you need
to be facing somebody that got a real threat to
beat you.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
The problem is that what you just said, argue with
you. You shouldn't fight a tough fight every fight, which.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
That like you agreeing with me and disagreeing with me,
So one which one is?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I'm agree and disagreeing because you shouldn't find a tough fight.
You shouldn't find a tough fight every fight. But to
see how Canelo had two or three tomato cans these
last two or three fights before you fought BOYD Crawford
where I heard him in the long run, because you
fought these tomato cans and they gave you a false
sense of security as to how good you were, and
so when you go in there against somebody who is
good again, it made it a little bit more difficult
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because you haven't seen this in so long. So had
you fought somebody who was capable of being that kind
of guy, they would have gave you an idea what
you was gonna see when you saw Bud. But you
didn't because, like you say, we all want to take
a few easy fights between we can, but not too many,
because if you take too many, it's gonna pull you
out the game and you're gonna not be used to
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facing that no more. So now you face it again,
it becomes a culture shock, you understand me. So yeah,
I ain't say a fighter killer every time out, but
you can't face them too far in between. You can't
fight three four five bombs of three or four five. Okay, guys,
then go fight a good guy because you're gonna be confused.
You ain't seeing this in three years because you ain't
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following three years. You understand, mean, the Berlingers of the
world don't bring what Krawford brings. The guy he fought
from Cuban, they don't bring what Crawford bring. So you're
not gonna see none of what you're gonna see when
you fight Crawford in your last three fights. Now after
them three fights, talk you can had three good fights.
You made decent money. Yeah, there was easy fights, but
it didn't teach you nothing. It didn't do nothing to
prepare you for what you thought you want to go.
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That fakes you understand me, That's why I don't agree
with it to show so I agree with it one
here and now. Yes, but you gotta if you're gonna compete,
you gotta stead a compete mindset. Only way you're gonna
stat a competing mindset is if you're challenging yourself to compete.
Once you stop doing that, you're gonna lose that mindset.
You're gonna lose that confidence, you're gonna lose everything that
goes with that, so you can't do it no more.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I agree there was too much of the hand picking
the the fighters, and then you're also in control of
everything because you're the cash cow. So these guys are
coming into the event wide eyed, and most of them
just don't have the mentality. Most of them solid skill,
most of them are champions, but they just don't believe
that they can win the fight. So you see them
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accept whatever Canelo puts across.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
So I knew that wasn't gonna happen with Crawford. It's
just a whole different mindset.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Br And to your point, if you haven't faced that
in four or five, six years or something like that,
it will give you a false sense of yourself.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
And sparring don't really count. It can help, but it
don't really count when you start.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Talking about because he got great sparring for this fight Canelo,
but it didn't translate in that ring because he was
fighting a different type of dude.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Don't translate that ring anyway, because when you spar, it
ain't fifty thousand that're watching you spar.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
And we talked to on the other show.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
When you got out there in front of fifty plus
thousand people, that's taking some away from you too. You
understand me and said, you don't get that to feel
like you feel inspiring because you're not comfortable because of
them fifty thousand. Somebody gonna see everything that may be
wrong with you. If you got a chip tooth, somebody
gonna see that. If you spitch your mind piece out,
somebody gonna see that. If you've got a green hand
and face, it ain't supposed to be somebody gonna see
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that all eyes. So it's different when you're out there
with that crowd than.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
This, when you're in that gym, straight up, straight up,
I respect it, and.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But I want to be clear.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
If gods can go get the money and got enough
enough of a fan base and they can captivate the
mind of the people enough to do numbers, go get
your money, Go get your money. They ain't breaking no laws,
they ain't hurting nobody like. This is their business, this
is their life, this is their career, and if you
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don't like it, don't engage. But the problem is that
everybody's saying they, I.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Can't believe this, How's Jake doing this? But y'all keep engaging.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
You engage on social analytics are measured, and they know
we got some action. Y'all are tuning into Netflix or
pay per view. They're selling out arenas doing this if
you really don't lie.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
People really dislike it as much as they say they do,
because the numbers don't lie, and the numbers are screaming.
It's a whole lot of people that like this and
want to see it.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
People are followers.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
If you give them something and everybody said they're gonna
look at it, and then they gonna take it, they're
gonna look at it too.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You understand me. So it's like, you say what you want.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
But there's been several situations where people knew wasn't nothing
exciting gonna happen inside the ring, but they all still
wouldn't have paid and watched it anyway.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
They do it over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
The only reason I didn't really to do it that
way is because I want to give you something to
remember every time I was in the ring. But there's
so many guys that guys know, and nothing gonna happen
at all. Ain't nothing bad or nothing shocking, is gonna occur,
and they still pay to watch it because of the
build up, because of the hyphen because they know everybody
else is watching. So they don't want to be one
one of the ones that said they missed it. They
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want to be able when the conversation happens about it.
They want to be in the middle of that conversation. Yeah,
I saw it too, and that's what's the problem is
with the world today. Everybody want to be in that
I saw it too. I don't care to see it myself.
So well, man, you you, you was on point this morning.
I appreciate, uh, how you broke this down for me.
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You know, I wanted I was trying to I was
trying to pick a fight this morning, I know. But
you you threw some cold water on me.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Man, and from the very start you explained yourself very
very well and very concise, very to the point, very
very much to the point.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I understand your point in terms of the imagination.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
If I can't imagine this fight being a real fight,
even if they passed their prime, it's hard for me
to get on board.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
We're gonna always keep the conversation going.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
We're gonna be real, We're gonna be straight to it
and uh you got to it the best talking about it. Man,
you always gonna have a Hall of fame worth a
game when you come on this show.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Man. I appreciate you, brother, and uh till next time
we'll see you.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Thank you, Drake, from you brother,
Whatever support Ward Jones dream hang out with my man
Andrew Ward. We threw Hall of Famers to bring y'all
a new show called a Hall of Game, a show
where we discussed boxing, sports, life and entertainment.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
From our view, how much better than neck? Can you get?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Me and Roy don't always agree. The one thing you
will get is a Hall of Fame? What the game?
Top of the Morning, Top of the Morning, Roy Rogers,
how you doing, my brother? With what you got going
on on on the farm on the eighty acres? But
what's going on this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And good Dre.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You know I'm taking these Everything is going coprosthetic around here,
you know, not really much happening, getting callsed some crazy names.
But you know that's just by the other people that
live here. So that's really about it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You know, you know.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
That's gonna happen. You know, before before we came on, uh,
we were talking about I said, man, I gotta I
gotta get me some land. You know, I know you
got you you on the eighty acres. And I'm in
a subdivision where I live and I'm still dealing with HOA.
I can't I can't work on my car if I
want to I got to send a letter and get
permission to do whatever I want to do. Ry listen,
(01:10):
when I had the basketball, you ain't got to worry
about that though, not here, but listen, I this this,
This is what I went through, Drake.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I went through where you are right now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
When I was at that creb with the basketball court,
I moved some woods back some because it was too
many watermocks and showing up. The HOA got mad at me,
said I had to play every tree back and say
it was a snake habitat. Now the snakes are we
gonna bite and kill your kids. They told me, no, no, no,
you got to leave put that back just like it
was because the snakes have a habitat there and were
(01:37):
trying to protect the snakes who are also trying to
kill my kids. So it's time to go right. I
came back.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I had to the eighty eight acres. I ain't got
to worry about none of the HOA stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I am now lave it, Yes sir, yes, sir, I'm
still working on it. I'm still working on it.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Today we're gonna talk about some man. You know, it's
it's it's something that you had participated in. It's something
that I'm rumored from time to time to be a
participant in, but hasn't happened yet. And it's something that
I think if it's the wrong fight or matchup, it
seems to get under your skin. I start seeing you
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get agitated, start seeing your eye twitching a little bit,
and you start getting a little antsy in the chair.
And that's the topic of exhibitions, boxing exhibition. So today
on Hall of Game, this is gonna be the exhibition addition.
We're gonna talk all things boxing exhibitions or exhibition matchups.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
If it's some crossover going on.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
But I want the fans to understand something because sometimes
these phenomenons come back around or they start to get
very popular again. But people gotta realize.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
These exhibitions have been going on for a very long time.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I'm gonna just go back to former heavyweight champion John L.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Sullivan. John L.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Sullivan, he toured, He fought at local towns and small
groups to bill morale, give people an opportunity that otherwise
wouldn't be able to go to a boxing match or
a championship boxing match.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It's a way for fighters to supplement their income.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Back then, and to also just continue to build their
name and their fan base. You look at the great
Joe Louis, Joe Lewis, he was enlisted in the military
and he would go and fight to Bill Morale and
to get money for the US War interest.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
One of the greatest fighters.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Arguably of all time, depending on where you land on
that skill Sugary Robinson, Showy Robinson toured to supplement his
income to showcase his skill set.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The great Muhammad Ali did it.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
He did a crossover exhibition in Japan with a wrestler,
and we're gonna talk a little bit more about that
in just a second. But he also did boxing exhibitions,
and I can go down the list of great champions
that did this for various reasons. But now in the
twenty first CENTUS, it's a lot of talk about these
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boxing exhibitions or just exhibitions in general. And I got
to get show take at the top of this conversation,
because it seems like there's some exhibitions that you are
okay with, but then it seems like it's some exhibitions.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
That you're not okay with.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And I just need to understand the logic behind it,
because last time I checked Royd. You've done one, two, three,
four exhibitions and your biggest exhibition came against Iron Mike Tys.
Y'all did big number, crazy numbers, one point six million,
eighty million in revenue. And for me, it's about nostalgia,
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it's about entertainment, and for y'all being great fighters and
you know, getting older, I still want to see the
competition at this age.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So most of these exhibitions I don't have a problem with.
But roy you did them. I think if they if
they call you with the right.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Number now and the right opponent that gets you interested,
you might still do it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Why you feel in the type of way about some
of these exhibitions?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Which one am I feeling in the type of way about?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
You know which one I'm talking about? Mike Tyson Floyd Mayweather.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh, I didn't say I feel a certain webbit. I
just said it just don't interest me.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's two guys that are so far a part in
weight that if it is not interested in me, Because
do I think Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather would have
been a great fight in their primes?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, So it don't interest me like that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know what I'm saying mean, and now if I
thought would have been a great fight in their primes
and they're both older, yeah, I want to see how
they still do it in older age, just because I
like to see what would happen. But these two guys
would never even coo to be in a fight in
their prime. So what's it gonna be? Now, how's that
gonna work out? You feel them confirmed? He's not gonna
make heavyweight. He's never been a heavyweight, and he's gonna
(05:55):
be above two hundred power, So how is that gonna
be even a fight to look?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Unless he don't fight, you understand, mean?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So it's like for me, that don't really interest me
because I can't see the mythological idea of.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Them really being in the ring.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
People could see the mythological idea of myself and Mike
Tyson fighting, because after I won the heavyweight title, I
told them people playing and clear, the only person that
I will stay at heavyweight four is Mike Tyson. If
Mike Tyson doesn't want to fight me right now while
I'm at heavyweight, then I'll go back down and recapture
the light Headway title like I thought Bob Fitzimmons did.
(06:32):
You understand me. So it's not like I have a
problem with exhibitions. It's just that it has to be
something that I can fathom in my mind. Wow, that
would have been a great exhibition to seek. Like right now,
if somebody said, hey, how would you like to see
an exhibition between andree Ward and Tears Off for at
one seventy five exhibition, that's a beautiful exhibition.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's two great guys in the ring together.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You're gonna see even though are is paid beyond his crime,
you still gonna see some great things about how they think.
You're not gonna get the firewall you would have gotten
in Andre's prime, but you gonna see a lot of
how that would have worked out mentally, because Andre gonna
work some of that out mentally.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So it's like, I'm interested in exhibitions that make sense.
Now to Tank's credit, I'm interested in the Tank Jake
Paul exhibition because I know for a fact that if
they do it for real, Tank is capable. Although he's small,
he's capable of knocking Jake Paul out, just like Jake
(07:28):
Paul probably capable of knocking him out because he's so.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Much bigger, so you believe that.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I believe without a question, without a question, if they
fight for real, if they don't, if they say no,
well we're gonna take care of Jake just wanted to
go through it and learn more, then he might not
knock him out, you understand me. But if they do
it for real, Tank is highly capable of taking Jake
Paul out. So the exhibitions that I like to see
are ones that either I can mythically look at and say, wow, well,
(07:54):
if he would have did that back when he was
ten years younger or eight year or twelve years ago,
he would have beat him. You know what I'm saying,
Because you can we know boxing, We can see what
the landscape looks like without even seeing it, you understand me.
So exhibition amongst two people that are that or worth that,
or one that is that, one that was that, that
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tells people that know the game, that tell us a lot.
Exhibition between people who are way apart, it's not gonna
tell us nothing because both y'all are high level boxes,
but y'all so far apart that that was something no
one ever found them. And to be honest, I ain't
gonna go that far because you're gonna get mad at
me again, So I was gonna keep it at that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
No.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
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Speaker 6 (08:47):
Is that the fight that everybody wanted to see? No,
but it's gonna wind up being a big fight. And
I know when it's started. People want to see Jake,
people want to see Tank. So essentially it's a fight
that people want to see, they just won't admit it.
I believe this started because someone in the camp of
Paul said, don't mess with Tank because.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
He'll knock you out. The fighter is an exhibition. Exhibition
means nothing.
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Speaker 4 (09:42):
I'm gonna go back to your exhibition with Mike, and
then we're gonna double back to.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Javonte Davis and Jake Paul.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So, Mike is fifty four, you were fifty one at
that time, and I do understand what you're saying. That
makes sense to me on your Takes On exhibition.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
That makes sense to me. How did that fight? How
did that exhibition come about?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Because everybody's mind of their own business in their fifties,
and all of a sudden the phone rings, So how
did that fight come up?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
That exhibition come about?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
With y'all?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
They called me, They said, Mike's want to do it.
Mike wants to do an exhibition, but it needs a
dance partner. Would you dance with him? I wanted to
fight him when I wanted the Headway title anyway, so
quite naturally, Yeah, I want to see what that's like.
I wanted to see what it was like back then.
Like I just told you, a lot of times, exhibitions
gives us an insight of what could have happened back
if they were in at the same time, or had
(10:33):
they fought in their primes. So I want to see
the insight. When they called me, I was more happy
that he wanted to give me the chance to get
the ring and look at him for ree here than
I was about to fight, You understand me. I wanted
to be there and see what that would have been like, because,
like I said, after, I wanted a Headway title. I
made it playing and clear that the only person that
I was stayed at Headway poor was Mike Texon.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Right right, Well, but how does that work though? At
that age and for an exhibition? If I'm not mistaking,
y'all fall two many rounds or did y'all fight two
many rounds ten two minute rounds?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I believe right?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
How's the training different for something like that? How do
you turn on for something like that?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, you turn on because you know, first of all,
they said listen because y'all both are older. If we
see y'all trying to tear it to the head off,
we're gonna stop it. So that was cool.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
They said that.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
They said that, So that was cool to hear that.
But Mike don't know how to play might like a
pit bulldog.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I didn't see nobody not trying to tear nobody's head off.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I've seen Mike don't know how to play shot, just
I didn't see that getting played out.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I told him, Mike don't know how to play. I
heard what they were saying, but Mike don't know how
to play. So I got up on bad knees and
still ran three miles every morning because I knew that
my knees and legs need to be in shape enough
to get away from this dude, because he ain't even
go out that list to what they say. Instantly, first
time he hitting my chest, it felt like a mule
that kicked me in the chest, I said, oh my god,
(11:59):
to do can punch? Okay, well, I expected that he
could punch, but I didn't know that he still had
that kind of power at fifty four years old.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So what round was that?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
That was the first round? Fair? First round? I said, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Then at I think by the second or third roud,
I hit him on a hook and he was like, okay,
good shot, because he knew I mean you keep coming.
Then about the fourth or the fifth round, he took
the laces and laced me in the face.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Dude, nobody sees this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
The ref don't know what he's looking at for real,
because it was supposed to get exhibition. But this dude, this,
this this Mike, Mike don't know how to play.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You understand me?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So yeah, I mean it just it blew my mind.
But yeah, it was funny. Did you get ready though, yeah,
of course. Did you leave home for that or did
you stay You stay home for that with the California
and p A and got ready for real? This Mike
Tyson was talking about. We're not talking about somebody like
I said, they said what they want to say. This
dude is is Mike Tyson. You know what I'm saying
mean so and I'm not saying don't do this, don't
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do that. No, I want to see how it's gonna
be anyway, So I want to get ready so I
can really a mind too to see how it's gonna be.
You understandn't come fust get my readitt teed off.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Man, I like for me again, I said this. I
said this a couple of weeks ago on the show.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I said, man, it's not too many boxing purests that
are that are that are more purest than me, Like,
I really understand the game. I appreciate the game, but
most of these exhibitions I don't have a problem with.
Like to your point about a matchup that didn't happen,
then I can reimagine.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Okay, I know they're older, but I want to see
what happened.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I want to see what type of shap Roy come
in at at fifty one, see what type of shape
Mike can get in.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
At fifty four.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
And it ain't never a bad idea to make some
money at that stage in your life and your career.
I just feel like, if guysn't gave you thirty forty,
fifty sixty real fights, Like if there's a matchup that
we can have that can spark the interests of the people,
and we can do numbers. Even if it's Mike Tyson
(14:06):
and Jake Paul, you can't tell me. Even if it's
Mike Tyson and Jake Paul, Mike Tyson and the majority
of them, Jake brought what he brought to the dance,
but Mike brought what he brought. Mike, that's Mike Tyson,
that's Iron Mike Tyson and Mike. Mike was a genius
with them. Thirty second clips they was putting out leading
up to that fight. Boy, Mike had you thinking he
was he was back, you know, and he was back
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to a point. But that age won't let you sustain that.
You know, that that intensity and that ferocity that you showing.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
But if you can do that at a certain age,
let guys get their money.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
They've already given you the show forty fifty sixty times out.
If I can get something that can spark the public's interest,
why not, I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Like I said, all the problem three that I said,
I really not interested because, like I said, they would
have know fought in their day, So I didn't want
to see that because Tom Mayweather Tyson. That's why I said,
I'm not interested, because they never would have fallt in
that break in that day just would not have happened.
So it's like that's the only reay I said, I'm
not really intrigued about that one. If it's a box
and a person that don't box and like like tanks
(15:12):
Jake Paul for instance, and it got such a big
weight gap. Now that makes it kind of even on
the exhibition scale, you feel me, So now we want
to see one.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Got experience and one got weight inside.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Your feeling, So that makes it want to see what's
gonna happen with this. He's bigger, but he has experience experience.
That makes for a good exhibition because everybody wants to
know what's gonna happen, you know what I'm saying me.
But when it's like even he great, but he older,
but he way bigger. He great, but younger and but
he's way smaller, it's kind of is he really gonna
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come in and try to kill him? And if he
did do that, what will people think about him? You
understand what' comeing from. So it's like for me, it's
a no win for Mike because if you come out
of smash floor, people say, why would you do that
to him?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know you're a heavywear. He ain't up be no heavyweight.
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
If Lloyd comes out of our box, Mike, okay, they
would they would live with that. But Mike can win.
If he wins, he's not gonna be good. If he loses,
he's not gonna be good. So there's no win for Mike.
So it's like for me, but Mike is gonna win, understand,
but look that he is going that for what I'm
saying for me, the money, he'll win, yes, but out Saturday,
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everything else is lost. And like they say to me,
I don't think he cares, though at this point.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
He popped up. But all money ain't good money, but
he pop don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And I really don't think if Mike can survive all
the stuff that was said about him leading up to
the Jake Paul fight and and and after after it
was way worse, you know, because Mike, so the marketing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Wa wait, so do you want to go through that again?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Who?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Mike just might want to go through that again. If
you don't, he's going through it. If you don't, he's cool.
So he going through it right now?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What it is?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Could you saw the reaction.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
With the Floyd With the Floyd maywere an announcement, but
it ain't even fully announced.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They just put the art workout, So you.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Set himself up through the same thing again as the money.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I don't think he cares.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
If you don't care, school, you don't care school.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Mike, And Mike is a business man. That's fine, that's fine,
that's what I think. Okay, And you know, so if
he's a.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Businessman, he's gonna wear at the bank, but he's gonna
lose in the ring. That's quite obvious if you're a businessman.
So now you just really don't think he can said,
but now you gave me the outcome, which is what
we can't expect anyway. So why I would pay the
wife that.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, maybe maybe it's maybe it's maybe maybe it's the
little the little.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Kid in me, the fan, the boxing fan.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Like I know Floyd is older, I know Mike is older,
but I want.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
To see what happened. I want to see how this
thing play out. That's me.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
So even when I look at Javonte Davis and Jake Paul,
the size differential is enough where Jake Paul is good enough,
where people say, oh, he's terrible. Jake Paul is not
a world class fighter. I don't care how a person
feel about that. Fighters that started in their formative years
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like we did eight nine, ten, We got too much
time in. Jake will never catch up to that. He'll
never catch up to that. We just got too much
time in. But I've always tipped the hat to him
because he is in the gym with a real boxing team.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I know the BJ Flores, Jay Leon Love, and a
few others.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He got in there and he's got real fighters in there.
He's getting the black eyes, he's getting the marks, he's
trying to become better, and he's respectable enough where if
you foolish, you can't get knocked out, you can't get
hurt with that right hand. I don't know if he's
gonna land that with Javonte Davis, but the size difference
is enough where if he does land, he can hurt Javonte.
But Javante has been fighting bigger guys and sparring bigger
guys his whole life. That's what people don't understand. They
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keep talking about weight classes are there for a reason.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
But some guys, and I said this about Crawford, some
guys been beating up on.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Big dudes for a long time.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
They've been sparring light heavies and heavies for a long time.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
This ain't nothing new.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Now it's different, right in a real situation like this,
they do have a y'all, keep me honest on this.
I think they went up on the gloves. The size
of the gloves are bigger than they normally would be.
But on a Javontae piece Man Gavanta, he went life
and death with Lamar.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Roach in his last fight.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
A lot of people thought that Lamar Roach was gonna
get knocked out as soon as he got touched, right.
Lamar Roach was telling people before the fight, I know him,
like we came up together.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I know him.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
This isn't gonna be what you think is gonna be.
And Lamart Roach that did his thing. It's controversy about
the knee that Javonte Davis took where the referee did
not call. He started to count, but he did not count.
That that could have been and should have been the
difference in that fight because he did take a voluntary knee.
There was a lot of talk about the rematch. What
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was reported initially was rematch first because Javonte has to
get some get back in a sense and restore his
reputation even his fans. Hey, bro, we got to do
better on this next one. And I heard that the
exhibition with Jake Paul was gonna be in November. Lamart
Roach's business first, then November, Then all of a sudden
(20:12):
you start. The Lamar Roach situation wasn't a thing anymore,
and it was just Jake Paul.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
And I don't know if it's because the Anthony.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Joshua Jake Paul situation fell out. Jake double back and
was like, no, I need a dance partner. We got
to get this now or it's not gonna be available.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Here's here's here's my take. Here's my take on Davis.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I don't remember the last time that I've heard Javontae
Davis say I'm in boxing to be the greatest fighter
of all time.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I can't remember.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I've heard him say that he's better than certain guys
in his weight class, or this kid can't beat me.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I've heard that.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I can't remember, And maybe y'all can keep me honest online.
The last time I've heard Javontae Davis talk about his
legacy in the ring like like I'm building my legacy.
I'm trying to outdo Floyd legacy, Like I think.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
It started like that for him.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
But the influence of Floyd Mayweather money man, not pretty boy,
but the money man, and building your brand and selling
tickets and selling pay per views and becoming a household name.
That's also a legacy. You got the legacy in the ring,
and you got the legacy in terms of how you sold.
I believe Javontay Davis is more focused on selling tickets
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and making money and securing his future for himself and
his family. He set it out of his own mouth.
I ain't got nothing else to prove. Well, depends on
what your goal is. It depends on what you're trying
to do. If you're trying to be one of the
greatest fighters of all time, it's still a whole lot
to prove. My point is, roy is I don't think
should everybody hold this man to the standard that they
(21:46):
hold them to and say, you not fighting nobody? Yeah,
you making money, but you ain't really fought nobody. If
he don't even care about that, that's not even something
that he's really focused on. If his main focus is
the money and his main focus is getting out of
without getting hurt and retiring on his own terms, shouldn't
shouldn't his fan base and other people get on board
(22:06):
with that? If he if that's not even his goal,
tell she's gonna be hold him to something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
If he don't even hold himself to that.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
They definitely should get on board with that.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
They definitely should because I mean, his mentor did it
basically the same thing, So why can't he do it?
You know what I'm saying. He made more money than anybody,
He was smarter than everybody. He didn't take too many
stupid risks. That's what he did, and they worked for him,
and people okay with that and accepting it. So why
can't Tank do it? Tank can do the same thing
the mentor did. That's what the mentors for the teacher.
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You have to do this thing the smart way and
not get you hurt, not to have to take no risks,
not to take many chances. So if that's what you learn,
if that's the easy way out, why not do that.
But y'all gave him credit for us or y'all can't
give him credit for it. He can do the same
thing that this guy did. Everybody had their own mentors,
their own pound for pounds, the own people they want
to be like. If he want to be like that
guy that y'all don't say is great and was one
(22:55):
of the best ever, why can't he do it? So
I'm cool whatever he said he want to do in
my old day. No, that wouldn't work for me because
that's not how I work. But that's not how I
grew up. That's not how my mentors grew up. But
he is dead and that's what he saw and it
got him paid. So nowady, most guys just want to
get paid. They're really interested in interested in all the
legacy and being the best of their weight division or
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being the best. They ain't interested in that no more
so with that interest being throwed to the wolves. Now
all this kind of stuff is cool because if your
fan base is cool with it, and now it is,
and if the fan base ain't cool with it, if
he make a lot of if you make fifty tow
one hundred million fights J Paul, they'll be cool with
it because they cool with you making money. That's what
the fan bases are on now they have But you
just making money being good.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Back in our day, they won't be cool with that.
You had to pool you was the best.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
They thought you fought because you want to be the
best of the division or the best of your error.
They didn't think you fought for just money or just
fame for being rich. Now you're fighting for fames just
to be rich. That's how the game has changed. There's
been a drastic shift. Care about being the goat in
our class will came ut being a goat ten years down,
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twenty years down the line.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
We don't care about that, no, Moore.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
And that's what people don't understand when I say stuff
this to kind of stuff I'm talking about right now,
I understand I'm not on air, and I know why
I'm not on air. If somebody come in and say, hey,
we're gonna get rid of all these belts, make one
time and do this, then that takes away the history
of all the hard things you and I work for,
right right, And we're not gonna just sit there quietly
and say, get rid of the IBF, get rid of
(24:26):
the BIER, get rid of WC, give itri a WBO.
We're not gonna go for that because that takes out
all the stuff we work so hard and so diligently
to do. Y'all trying to erase that. So y'all don't
want to put me on the air because y'all know
I'm not gonna be for that. I'm gonna against that,
which is cool. I'm not mad about it. I'm cool
with that, because I am gonna stand on my two
when it come to me talking about me being a
(24:47):
world chap. I wanted to be like Muhammed and Ali.
Understand me. I'm not gonna lie by. I can't tell
you nothing, no difference. I wanted to be the best
in my division. As a matter of fact, I want
to be the best around my division, not just in
my division, even around my division, I want to be
the best. Today's fight us. They have been taught that
that's not going to do it nowadays. Nowadays go for
(25:10):
the bag, for everybody is going for the bag.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
They're not only going for the bag.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
But when you talk too much about legacy, it's almost
like the younger generation lasts at the older generation, like
y'all some food, of course.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Like y'all, y'all really fought him for that amount of money.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Of course, you fought for these guys back to back
to back to back for this amount of money. It's
almost like, oh, y'all got robbed, you tripping, And I'm
gonna talk about the sanctioning bodies and all that stuff
because I'm torn on that.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You know, I understand what you're saying on one hand,
but we.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Didn't give away a whole lot of tuition, mortgages and
a whole lot of other stuff to get a belt
that ain't even real. So I understand what the belt means,
and I understand how the sanctioning bodies work with the
promoters and the title and being a champion is built
into your contract. If you become a champion within this
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four or five year period, I get to extend you
another two years. Or if you become a champion within
this five years now your minimum amount of money it
goes up. So it's a whole discussion about the sanctioning
bodies and their placing boxing and if they should be
in there. But I want to stay on these these
these exhibitions, and I really want to touch on a
fan base thing that you just said right now, because
(26:31):
I've never seen nothing like this in the sport of boxing.
If you see responses from fans, they don't even argue
who's better anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
They're arguing who's the A side and who's.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Not, Who's who's.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
A draw and who y'all don't know a left hook
from a fish hook, and you talking about who's the
draw and who's the A side? Y'all just regard to
taking information that you got from a podcaster or a
YouTube or a writer that you like. You don't really
know how this stuff works most of the fans. But
that's the point that I'm making. It's not about proving.
(27:09):
When you say, young fighters don't want to prove, and
it's still a few out there, and I think the
Terrece Crawfords of the world, I think he's one of
the last of a dying breed, right. But with the
rise of social and you being able to build your
own platform, Roy when you.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Say prove, question is proved to who? Because if I.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Can prove to my five hundred a million, two million,
four million followers, as long as they believe that I'm
a goat and that I'm him and that I've done
enough and everybody's ducking me, that's enough. That's the validation
that helps cats sleep good at night. The validation that yourself,
(27:53):
myself and other people was after was number one.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
Me.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I gotta feel comfortable living with me. I gotta walk
around and live with myself and be like, bro, are
you really here? Then it's my people, my coach, my
god daddy, my circle. I gotta look my kids in
the face, and I want them to know that my
daddy the best fighter in the world. Then it's the public,
and really it's not even a public because they wish
(28:18):
you washy too roy.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
For me, really it's really the fraternity.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
See, the real answer is what do your peers say
about you?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
How do they feel about you?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Because most of the time, unless it's some personal stuff
going on, a fighter gonna keep it a hunting fans
can say what they wanted to you didn't fight nobody
a fighter come in and say you tripping, he thought
this guy that got this guy, this guy. So it's
just brother. The validation is from the fan base. The
validation is from your followers. As long as they feel
like you the guy, that's enough. So we're not even
(28:50):
on the even playing field right now. And we start
talking about proving something to somebody, because the proving is
social YouTube. My platform is not the world anymore. So
it's not even your peers anymore. So for me, because
I'm older than you, I must go again. I always
have to tell you this every podcast. I don't know why,
but I always have to re marry that I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Older than you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Let me take you down, let me take you down
my street. My street.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Don't go there my street, and about my peers, my street,
and about the fans my street. To be honest with you,
my street starts with God, the Creator, and what he
gave me, and what I'm supposed to do with what
the Creator gave me. That's where my star from me.
I ain't worry abou wudn't or nobody else said. If
(29:35):
I do what I'm supposed to do, what the Creator
gave me, everything else should fall in place.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Is everybody gonna be that way? No, because everybody ain't
never like nothing. You understand me. Everybody didn't like Jesus.
Everybody ain't gonna like nothing. But for the most of them,
for the ones that listened, and the ones that learn,
and the ones that take the example, and the ones
that really see the examples gonna appreciate God's work because
(30:02):
they can see God's work through you and me. You
understand me. So I'm not concerned about what they better think.
I'm concerned only about what God says, because if God
gave it to me and I don't use it to
the mix of my ability, then I've let God down,
or I'm not showing that I'm appreciative of what God
(30:23):
gave me, which is why I'm so big on challenges,
which is why I'm so big on diversity, which is
why I'm so big on perseverance. You gotta persevere through
the hard times to get to the good times if
you believe in what God gave you. If you don't
(30:43):
believe in that, then you're gonna find other ways to
manipulate the system and do things differently. And that's why
some athletes that people look upon and say that's their
favorite athlete, I can understand why he's your favorite athlete,
and I'm cool with that. There's nothing to do with me.
He just he'll never be my favorite athlete. But that's
just my opinion, you understand. Mean, So it's like the
ones that I love, the ones I believe in, the
(31:04):
ones that I revered in this game, or ones that
I see with that mindset. Now, to take you one
step further, I tell you this because I say this
inside of my own household, because of what I did.
Is a lot of fighters that fought, a lot of
fighters that fighters, a lot of fighters that still try
to do and emulate what I did. But two of
(31:26):
the last two that I really really mess with and
would die still messing with because they came after me.
But they carried my mentality with them was andre Ward
and Terrence Crawford understand me and not even Usik because
they thrive to be the best. They ain't worry about
what's there. They just want to be the best. They
(31:49):
know what's they're gonna come if they get to be that.
But them three want to be that. It's a few more,
but them three for sure wanted to be the best.
I know who they watched growing up because they think
like they got them. You understand me, That's what I
look for. But that's why I think God would have
wanted me to put out there and show those that
were watching me n me.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's what That's what I teach.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, and I understand it and I respect it.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And we also got to touch on how certain who
certain guys came up under.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
So to your point about.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Javonte Davis and others, right like like certain guys came
up under certain people. So this is my this is
my primary influence right here. I want to be like
him and me and you debate about this, but I
respect the pretty Boy Floyd era. You know, and I
respect the money made era even you know, like.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Even Floyd's facing a.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
My donna, right like, that's not my Donna's not an
all time great. But for a dude that's thirty five
thirty six fighting that dude twice, that's a very solid pick.
That's a very solid pick when you could have picked
somebody else. And I don't think that. Just to be clear,
I don't think that fighters. But I don't care how
old school your mentality is. I don't think it's smart
(33:17):
to face another dog, another killer every fight out.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
You gotta have a number one contender in there, a
B level guy in there.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Oh this is straight tune up right here. No, let
me go back to another hitter this next fight. Three
fights that I don't think. I don't subscribe to that,
because we gotta think long term, Like you don't have
to prove.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
You got to prove every fight that you still to God.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
But I think that every now and again you need
to be facing somebody that got a real threat to
beat you.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
The problem is that what you just said, argue with
you. You shouldn't fight a tough fight every fight, which.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
That like you agreeing with me and disagreeing with me,
So one which one is?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I'm agree and disagreeing because you shouldn't find a tough fight.
You shouldn't find a tough fight every fight. But to
see how Canelo had two or three tomato cans these
last two or three fights before you fought BOYD Crawford
where I heard him in the long run, because you
fought these tomato cans and they gave you a false
sense of security as to how good you were, and
so when you go in there against somebody who is
good again, it made it a little bit more difficult
(34:20):
because you haven't seen this in so long. So had
you fought somebody who was capable of being that kind
of guy, they would have gave you an idea what
you was gonna see when you saw Bud. But you
didn't because, like you say, we all want to take
a few easy fights between we can, but not too many,
because if you take too many, it's gonna pull you
out the game and you're gonna not be used to
(34:41):
facing that no more. So now you face it again,
it becomes a culture shock, you understand me. So yeah,
I ain't say a fighter killer every time out, but
you can't face them too far in between. You can't
fight three four five bombs of three or four five. Okay, guys,
then go fight a good guy because you're gonna be confused.
You ain't seeing this in three years because you ain't
(35:02):
following three years. You understand, mean, the Berlingers of the
world don't bring what Krawford brings. The guy he fought
from Cuban, they don't bring what Crawford bring. So you're
not gonna see none of what you're gonna see when
you fight Crawford in your last three fights. Now after
them three fights, talk you can had three good fights.
You made decent money. Yeah, there was easy fights, but
it didn't teach you nothing. It didn't do nothing to
prepare you for what you thought you want to go.
(35:24):
That fakes you understand me, That's why I don't agree
with it to show so I agree with it one
here and now. Yes, but you gotta if you're gonna compete,
you gotta stead a compete mindset. Only way you're gonna
stat a competing mindset is if you're challenging yourself to compete.
Once you stop doing that, you're gonna lose that mindset.
You're gonna lose that confidence, you're gonna lose everything that
goes with that, so you can't do it no more.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I agree there was too much of the hand picking
the the fighters, and then you're also in control of
everything because you're the cash cow. So these guys are
coming into the event wide eyed, and most of them
just don't have the mentality. Most of them solid skill,
most of them are champions, but they just don't believe
that they can win the fight. So you see them
(36:07):
accept whatever Canelo puts across.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
So I knew that wasn't gonna happen with Crawford. It's
just a whole different mindset.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Br And to your point, if you haven't faced that
in four or five, six years or something like that,
it will give you a false sense of yourself.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
And sparring don't really count. It can help, but it
don't really count when you start.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Talking about because he got great sparring for this fight Canelo,
but it didn't translate in that ring because he was
fighting a different type of dude.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Don't translate that ring anyway, because when you spar, it
ain't fifty thousand that're watching you spar.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
And we talked to on the other show.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
When you got out there in front of fifty plus
thousand people, that's taking some away from you too. You
understand me and said, you don't get that to feel
like you feel inspiring because you're not comfortable because of
them fifty thousand. Somebody gonna see everything that may be
wrong with you. If you got a chip tooth, somebody
gonna see that. If you spitch your mind piece out,
somebody gonna see that. If you've got a green hand
and face, it ain't supposed to be somebody gonna see
(37:00):
that all eyes. So it's different when you're out there
with that crowd than.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
This, when you're in that gym, straight up, straight up,
I respect it, and.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But I want to be clear.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
If gods can go get the money and got enough
enough of a fan base and they can captivate the
mind of the people enough to do numbers, go get
your money, Go get your money. They ain't breaking no laws,
they ain't hurting nobody like. This is their business, this
is their life, this is their career, and if you
(37:38):
don't like it, don't engage. But the problem is that
everybody's saying they, I.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Can't believe this, How's Jake doing this? But y'all keep engaging.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
You engage on social analytics are measured, and they know
we got some action. Y'all are tuning into Netflix or
pay per view. They're selling out arenas doing this if
you really don't lie.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
People really dislike it as much as they say they do,
because the numbers don't lie, and the numbers are screaming.
It's a whole lot of people that like this and
want to see it.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
People are followers.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
If you give them something and everybody said they're gonna
look at it, and then they gonna take it, they're
gonna look at it too.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You understand me. So it's like, you say what you want.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
But there's been several situations where people knew wasn't nothing
exciting gonna happen inside the ring, but they all still
wouldn't have paid and watched it anyway.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
They do it over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
The only reason I didn't really to do it that
way is because I want to give you something to
remember every time I was in the ring. But there's
so many guys that guys know, and nothing gonna happen
at all. Ain't nothing bad or nothing shocking, is gonna occur,
and they still pay to watch it because of the
build up, because of the hyphen because they know everybody
else is watching. So they don't want to be one
one of the ones that said they missed it. They
(38:50):
want to be able when the conversation happens about it.
They want to be in the middle of that conversation. Yeah,
I saw it too, and that's what's the problem is
with the world today. Everybody want to be in that
I saw it too. I don't care to see it myself.
So well, man, you you, you was on point this morning.
I appreciate, uh, how you broke this down for me.
(39:10):
You know, I wanted I was trying to I was
trying to pick a fight this morning, I know. But
you you threw some cold water on me.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Man, and from the very start you explained yourself very
very well and very concise, very to the point, very
very much to the point.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I understand your point in terms of the imagination.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
If I can't imagine this fight being a real fight,
even if they passed their prime, it's hard for me
to get on board.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
We're gonna always keep the conversation going.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
We're gonna be real, We're gonna be straight to it
and uh you got to it the best talking about it. Man,
you always gonna have a Hall of fame worth a
game when you come on this show.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Man. I appreciate you, brother, and uh till next time
we'll see you.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Thank you, Drake, from you brother,
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