November 4, 2025 • 46 mins
In this exclusive conversation, Danny Garcia opens up to Andre Ward and Roy Jones Jr. about the highs, the lows, the doubts, and the question every fighter eventually faces: is it time to walk away? A raw, honest look at legacy, identity, and the fight beyond the ring.
0:00 - Intro: Danny Garcia Joins the Show0:47 - Danny’s Farewell Fight?4:33 - Father-Son Dynamics in Boxing: Danny & Angel7:25 - Lara Fight Fallout: Danny’s Honest Reflection9:23 - Angel Garcia’s Advice: Health Over Everything12:12 - Ad Break13:27 - Mental Health Matters: Danny Opens Up21:12 - Danny the Businessman: Real Estate & Wealth Wisdom25:28 - Staying Out of Headlines: Danny’s Positivity Code26:45 - What’s Next for Danny Garcia? Family First30:16 - Fight Preview: Vergil Ortiz vs. Erickson Lubin33:05 - Dre on Lubin’s Journey & Amateur vs. Pro Reality38:49 - Boots Ennis: Where to Next?45:35 - Boots Chasing Belts at 154: Dre Wants Proof47:15 - Wrap
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Whatever, super Ward Jones Jam hang out with my man
Andrew Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We threw Hall of Famers to bring y'all a new
show called a Hall of Game.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
A show where we discussed boxing, sports, life and entertainment
from RV.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
How much better than that? Can you get?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Me and Roy don't always agree. The one thing you
will get is a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What a game.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I want to welcome to the Hall of Game a
man who's a three time two division world champion. He's
an eighteen year vet in the game. He's a businessman,
he's an entrepreneur. I want to welcome to the show
my brother, Danny Swift Guarcia. Danny, I appreciate you taking
the time with us.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Today, Andre, Roy, appreciate you, guys man. Thank you for
having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Congratulations on your last fight October eighteenth against Daniel Gonzalez
at the Barclay Center. I think this is your tenth
time at the Barclay Center. That fight was build a
farewell fight? Was it really a farewell fight?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Uh? Yeah, I feel like it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
I mean, you know, after you win, it's like, YO,
give me whoever. But uh, going into the fight, yeah,
I just want to I don't want to be one
of the fighters to just keep fighting for a long time.
I've been in the game a long time, and uh,
part of the reasons like I'm not as passionate as
I used to be about it, and I just don't
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want to keep fighting just to fight. So that's part
of the reason why I know, I got a family
now and stuff like that. So I kind of want
to start thinking, like life outside the box and start
letting it go a little bit of the time, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Tell me about the passion conversation, like what things are
happening or have been happening over the last few years
that that you notice are different, Like I don't do
this like I used to.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I don't think like I used to.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Yeah, So a part of it when I start to realize,
like maybe I'm not as passionate as I was, Like
I started to like driving to the gym on a
sparing day, I'm like, damn, I'm really I'm really driving
to the gym to go fight.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Drive. You know, everybody go to the gym for different stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I used to think.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I started to think, like, damn, do I feel like
doing this today? You know, like I'm really going to
the smoke. I'm really going to fight, and uh things
like that, just like thinking about sparing day's and but
like running and all that.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I still like that.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
But it's just probably like the more physical part about
it that I started to think about it twice.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Man, that's crazy you said that, because that's that's one
of the markers that I had when I kind of knew, like, man,
this is different like my last probably two fights, probably
the Covidle two fights.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Like I'm going back to my training condo and I'm
i and I.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Can count the big shots I got here with, like
I know, Like, man, man, I got here with two
good ones today. Like I never thought twice about it
when I was a lot younger, or I started thinking
the same thing that you used to think. I said, Man,
most of my kids parents, you know, fathers, they going
to work whatever type of way they're going to work.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I gotta go fight three dudes today.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Right, I got three dude.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I'm paying them to try to do something to me,
to try to fight, to try to fight hard, try
to hurt me. My trainer putting a bounty on my head.
If you're knocking down, I give you extra thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
It just starts seeming crazy, like I'm going to the
gym to fight somebody on a random Monday.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Yeah, and then it's like days you have a bad day,
you really think about it, like you get your ass kicked.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You like, do I still have it?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Like?
Speaker 6 (03:36):
Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I sat at home a couple of times, like in
the gym, Like after the gym, I'm like, you know,
I go home with a little well in my eye
or something.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
I'm like, damn, But yeah, that's that's pretty much. That's
probably like the only.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Thing, you know what I mean. And just like, uh,
the nerves and all that stuff. I think it takes
this hold on you after a while, you know, just
trying to stay strong.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I know you wired a little bit difference.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I don't know if you ever had no days like this,
but have you ever had something like this happened when
you think.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I ain't never had nothing like that almost happened to
meaning I ain't finna lose overse in gym. Ain't nobody
finna hit me two. I just I was I was,
I was just I was awful. You understand.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
When I came to training, it was like bad me.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I was really awful about this, and I was very
aintal about boxing so and I still am. My guys
don't understand why I'm so hard on them in training.
It's because I know what it takes. But what I
wanted to ask you too, though, Danny, was how was
it man being able to manage? Because you did something
that I definitely could not have done, but you was
able to manage to have your father's your trainer the
whole time.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
How was the how did that work out?
Speaker 5 (04:44):
You know, that's a good question.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
You know, me and Pops, you understand, like we started
from nothing together, you know what I mean, Like when
my father came out of prison when I was eight
years old, nine years old, we just.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
We just started to dream. You know. We were homeless,
we didn't have nothing.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
So I think we kind of build a special bond
in a friendship outside of boxing that was able to
keep us together as a you know, a fighter and
father trainer. And I think, you know, the bond that
we have outside the ring is what really kept us together,
you know.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
You know, So that's that's pretty much. That's great, But
it's been tough. It's been tough. I have a lot.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Some days, I'm like, man, why you didn't tell me
to do that? Like I go home and watch the tape,
I'm like, how you gonna see that? You know, because
sometimes you don't see it. You don't see it in
the ring you get I'm like pop fighting and telling
me he was blocking the app hit me with I
could see.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I'm like either, But you know, we have stuff like that,
Like we'll argue about stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I see.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's what the difference is with most people is like you,
you just hear the keyword. You argue about stuff like that,
you know what I'm saying. What the problem goes wrong
is when the father is a dictator and you can't
argue back with him. That's where the problem coming with.
That's what people don't understand. That's why I ask you
that question. I want to hear you say that so
I make sure I had it right. But with you
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being able to speak your mind, your father's allowing you
to be you, you know what I'm saying, Whereas in
most cases, like myself, my father was not gonna allow
me to be me.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That's why I had to leave.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Right well, because he probably always looked at you like
his son like a kid exactly. You know a lot
of fathers always no matter how old your kid, they
always to look at you like kids.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The problem is with most people.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
But I explain to him, like, you know, I'm a
grown man now, Pops, like I got three kids. You
gotta you know, I meane it this far because you're
on my corner. But you know I had to want
to too, so you gotta. You still gotta listen to
me a little bit. You know, we got to work together,
and he was saying, man, you're right, and then we
just that's how It's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, I think that's the difference maker. Like you know,
most fathers are going to be fathers.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Most fathers are gonna always you know, even look at
their grown So that's my baby, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
A baby, that's my baby boy.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
And I think it's that adjustment though, that once your
son speaks up the way you did, that they can
make that adjustment.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I think that's really where it'sat right there.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
No, Absolutely, it's a communication, like both people got to
be one to understand and learn.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Man, Pops is not the easiest.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Person to do it.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
He's crazy. But for some reason, I'm like the only
person who listens.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
To a good thing, or at least he does this.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
But believe you won't listen.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Nobody listen to you. Though that's a great thing. That's
the best for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I want to go back to the ARIZONI Laura fight
in September twenty twenty four and getting back to the
conversation about the passion and the desire.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Danny. You one of the toughest fighters that I've seen.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You come from, you know, a fighting city, and you
don't have any turning you. But I could see in
that fight that it wasn't about you being afraid. It
wasn't about any of those things. It was just that
you could just tell that like you just like I
don't you know, like like I'm here, but I don't
know if I want to continue to do this. Like
what were you feeling in that fight to make you
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say in that ninth round like now I'm good and
then be able to be okay with that over and forward.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know part of the reason why by my last fight,
that's where I really want to fight my last fight,
because I'm like, oh, they calling me this, they calling
me a quitter. I got something for them, like it
don't matter who I was going to be in the
ring with. But going back to that fight, I was
out the ring for twenty eight months. You know, everybody
knows like in activities as a fighter's worst enemy.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
So I remember like just training and I just couldn't.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I couldn't get my mind back to that championship level,
like you know what, that type of mindset you got
to have to go into those big fights so you
could perform at that level.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I just couldn't get back. I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I don't know what it was. I don't know if
it was the weight, because remember I went up to middleweight.
I was out the ring for twenty eight months. I
just couldn't get I just couldn't get my mind back
to that level.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I just I an't really had no excuses. It's just
I just I just wasn't feeling it, you know, and
I didn't want to get hurt. So it was like,
you know, I got a lafe after boxing. You know,
people always going to say something anyway, because when I
was winning, when I was beating, everybody was calling me
a check. So I know in the boxing world, you know,
people always gonna say stuff, but I know.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
That I'm built. I wish it didn't end like that.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Maybe I could have finished the fight, but everything happens
for a reason. But long story short, just my heart
wasn't in it and I just couldn't. I just couldn't
get my mind back to that level. I don't know
what it was.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
How did Pops accept that or deal with that that night?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And then you know, after the fight.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
No, Pops was uh, surprisingly like usually he's like, you
should have did this, you should have did that, you
know how it is. The night after, but he was like, look, Danny,
the risk wasn't worth the reward. Your health is worth
more than anything to me. So when I was like
when he told me that, I was like, damn. You know,
it was like I guess he did see somebodyn't you know.
I guess he saw He looked in my eyes and
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knew that I wasn't there, so he was just trying
to protect me.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
But he didn't.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
He didn't take it bad. He just always tells me, like,
your health is worth anything to me. You try to
be great, You try to go up two divisions, the
middleweight against the active champion who was a little older,
but never took a lot of punishment, and he Lara
was a onele a fighter, So I don't want to
take no credit away from me him either, But it
just my heart wasn't in it.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
I couldn't get my mind back to that championship level,
especially being out the ring for twenty eight months, going
up a weight class. I felt all the hits from
round one, and just like I felt, I felt every
hit from the first round to the ninth round.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Like my body wasn't absorbing it hits, right, I know
what you mean, man, I know what you mean. I
can relate. And not only that, I don't know what
Laura doing because he'd have.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Got a second, third, four or fifth mint Like he
acted like he just started his career, Like he like,
let's go I fight. Anybody bring a mom. I'm like, brother,
you got rounds in the bag, you got tough fights
under your belt.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You still want to and heat seem like he's not
who he used to be in terms of all the
movement and all the stuff, but he found a way.
You know, you're sitting there more and stuff. So that's
been interesting to see. But man, I just want to convence.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Part of him is like he felt like he'd been overlooked.
You know, some fighters never really get that.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
That's what keeps the hungry, Like, you know, I got
the team I had, I had all that stuff at
the spotlight on me. But he's one of those type
of fighters who never really had the spotlight on him,
and that's just keeping him hungry, like that that type
of mentality where it's like I'm gonna earn it, I'm
gonna I'm gonna show you I belong here.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And the money too, he's trying to get that back
in bad. He like, you know, I need to give
mine because one day.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I won't be able to do it. So this is
a great time to be in boxing.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Your era with with Ile and PBC was the best
time you could have been in it at that time
of money was at the highest, and then you know
Turkey Ala Chic and everything that got going on and
sort he took it to the next level.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So I think he's just trying to make sure you
get that bag.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
And you know he's got enough of an IQ where
he can trick a lot of the younger guys and
still surviving the sport. But I want to I want
to switch gears. Funny because I was asking Roy, you
know Roy on that farm. I was asking Roy with
a rooster?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So? I think I talked them up, so you know
they doing the thing right now? I thought, that's Pensacola, Florida.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I want to commend you, Danny, for you know, just
being speaking up. And you know, we do one of
the toughest things that anybody can do, be a professional
prize fighter. Your team gets you ready, but your team
gets out there ring and they walk down them steps
and it's just you and that other man. You you
take off that rod, you put on small gloves, and
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it's it's.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Gladiator school in front of the whole world.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
You've done that for most of your life, so you
don't owe anybody anything. But I appreciate you speaking up
about mental health. I appreciate you speaking up about your
struggles and even coming on here and talking about what
you actually felt in the lawa fight, because it's really
not something that fighters talk about there, you know, give
you a line to us. I just my arm was hurt,
(12:56):
you know, I just didn't feel right, but they won't
get into the detail. Brother, I appreciate you taking the
time to talk about these things and normalizing these things
and not just hiding behind what we do or what
we did.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
For a living.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I just want to commend you on that, man, but
also ask you why to shift a couple of years
ago when you first start talking about it and still
talking about it to this day.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Why the shift?
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Because I've been holding I've been holding that in my
whole life, and I just felt like, like some days
I just I wanted to tell somebody how I felt.
But it just felt like growing up in Philly and
growing up where I come from, it's like you can't
tell people you're weak, like not weak, but you know
what I mean, like sign of weakness, like damn, I
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don't feel good.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Or I was always taught to just be tough and
just go for it, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
But once I started like having like symptoms like all apizia,
like ball spots, that's when I knew that I had
to start speaking up. And that's why I'm so open
now because I don't want to have nothing on my chest.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I don't want to I just.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Want to be free. I want to be who I am.
So yeah, once I started getting like voll spots and
I'll be dizzy in the gym and the room be spinning,
and it just all these type of symptoms I was getting.
I'm like, I have to tell somebody, you know, I
got to tell somebody. The first person I told was
my father. He was like, man, why you never told
me you felt like that? And I was like, you know,
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I'm a fighter. At first, I thought I was just focused.
You know, you're so like I just thought I was
locked in. I was so focused on everything that I
was feeling that way, But it really wasn't. It was
until I went to the doctors and they told me
that I was going through like like I was getting
all the piece because I'm going through like so much
stress that is attack in my hair, and I'm like,
oh yeah, I gotta start speaking up. I gotta start
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letting people on how I feel. And ever since I
spoke up, it just I've been an open book. And
then like it touched so much people in the world. Honestly,
I didn't know that much people in the world went
through that type of stuff. I'm talking about rappers, actors,
in all types of entertainers, football players reached out to me.
It was like, look, man, you changed my life. I
mean feeling like that my whole life. But I never
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thought nobody else felt like that. And I was just
speaking from my heart, like that day when I did
the interview and I started crying on the national television
on Showtime. I didn't wake up that day, tell the
world I was in a crowd TV.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Who would have thought that was my most famous movement, right.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
All these people are knocked out in the world and
my most famous moment is me crying on a personality,
you know. So it's just that's just my heart was
just telling me to speak about it, and that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Man, It's powerful.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I want to ask you Roy like, because you know
we talk about this a lot, and just your upbringing
and you know, just where you grew up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
In the country.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
It is a different mentality, right, Like the inner city
has a mentality, fighters in general have a mentality, but
then you know, you got a country mentality where you
gotta get it out the mud in a different type
of way. As you have age and gotten older, has
that gotten easier for you being able to talk more
and communication.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's gotten easier because you know, it's like it's like
to me. That's God's of showing us that we still
can grow as we get older, you know. So he
got old enough to understand that, Hey, it's o kid
to talk about issues that you have that you think
people may not understand or people may not be going through,
because when you speak out about it, you find out
a whole world of people are going through what you're
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going through and feeling just like just like you feel
afraid to say something because they don't want to see
me or come off as weak. But uh, the way
I was raised was just that way. I don't want
to hear nothing. But as you get older, you learn
to understand that by speaking or talking things out, it
always makes it better for you and you find out
your dreams. Just a long soldier, it's a lot of
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other people just like you. Absolutely absolutely, and that's dope.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
No. At first, I'm like, wait, am I taking too
much hit?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
I'm like, but I was like, nah, because I've been
feeling like that since I was a kid. To be honest,
I always felt like that I've been going through that
since I was a kid, Like I had got a
boss bon when I was a kid. My dad thought
I was a ringworm, like when he first came out
of prison. So I guess I was going through a
lot of stressed as a kid, you know, because my family,
my dad was away, you know, house was for clothes,
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and wasn't going to school, you know, going to true
and see court and things like that. So as a kid,
I was really stressed. But I didn't know. And that's
I had Alicia when I was a kid too, but
my father thought it was a ringworm. And then as
our life got better than my hair came back and stuff.
So this is time I've been going through as a kid.
That's how I know that. It didn't come from boxing,
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you know what I mean A lot of people all
comes from boxing, had CTE had punishment. No, this has
been it's just my that's the way my brain even working.
As a kid, I always been like a worrier, like
a person who just worries too much. But now it's
just like I realized that, you know, as much as
I loved everyone, I can't save the world.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
You know, you got you can't save the world. So
that's the type of mentality and have.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Now I went to best for everybody, but I can't
I can't put my mind to that type of pressure
no more.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, man, it's it's interesting Thenny, because I dealt with
that a lot growing up. A lot of anxiety like
that stuff has been generational on my family.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I'm talking about like extreme anxiety, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And I used to have little things that I used
to do that my dad could pick up on when
I was dealing with anxiety. But we never talked about
like the word anxiety. We never talked about like dealing
with depression and these kind of things. And I used
to be bad, you know, even as an adult, an
early adult, you know, where I may be going through
some with my wife or going through some with my kids,
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and instead of like opening up and trying to find
my words, I would just shut down. That was also
a thing in my family generationally. I know you mad
because you ain't talking to me. I know you mad. Yeah,
you isolate. But my faith in God has really really
helped me because I've learned to obviously talk to God
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and that invent that way, but then also you know,
just finding my words to talk to whoever I'm dealing with. Man,
it's a powerful thing because it is it is It
is a release. And they say stress to kill you
before anything right. And I noticed with us as athletes,
not just fighters, that most people are dealing with just
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a normal stressor stressors and pressures that they got.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
But we got a unique situation.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
We got we we can't just go in public and
do anything.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
People watching, people got phones.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
That's pressure, and a lot of times with athletes, what
they do is instead of going through the tough work
of talking about it, finding their faith in God and
having these outlets substance abuse, if I just drink enough,
I feel better when I drink, So that's what I'm
gonna do. Or they smoke or whatever they do, whatever
they vice is women, whatever it is. And that's why
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I think we see a lot of us, especially in retirement,
going by the wayside, and then.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
People say, oh, look at these athletes. They always do that.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Now, that's why it's important to speak about it, because
you can you can start doing stuff you never did before.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
And that's different type of gateway. You don't want to
go that route.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I want to talk about Danny the businessman. I don't
think you're your business acumen who you are as a businessman.
Your investments are talked about enough. I don't know if
you still have the barbershop. But you've got a barbershop
for many years. I know you invest in real estate.
You know you like a little you know, you like
a little ice too, and the ice I.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Kind of went Jane on him.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I'm playing Jane, yeah, Ice, Yeah you did.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I'm always touching forty years old, so I got to
you know, I can't.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
I still got a little necklace, but yeah, I'm playing
Jane now with the watchers.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
The fashion is really big to you. Who is who
is Danny the businessman? And how you spend and invest
your money.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
My father, when I was younger, he always told me,
like taxes in real estate, tax is the number one killer,
Like you don't even know, but your your money's halfway
gone before you get it, and you know fighters more,
you know, you get your whole check. So it was
for you defeated at the end of the year. So
my father just like, save your money and go buy
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some real estate. So I bought a lot of real
estate like ten years ago, and all that's double now
I'm still buying real estate.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And then I remember when I used to deposit my
checks like in the bank. The lady was like, no,
you should speak the wealth management to speak, the wealth
management because they can help you like grow your money.
But me coming from you.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Know, Philly, coming where I come from, I'm like, man,
I ain't buying those stocks, like I ain't losing my money.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Like you know, everybody tell you're gonna lose your money.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, I take it, take it away. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
So uh, one day I just bought like a Warren
Buffett book and I just read it. I read it
like a warm and he was like, Yo, the stock
market only crashed like ten times out of the last
hundred years. So I mean, you know why I'm gonna
take that. I'm gonna take that meeting with the wealth
management to see what they're talking about. And then you know,
they could give me like seven percent a year, eight percent,
and one day I would just like I just put
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the whole thing in there. I just put all my
money and I invested the entire thing in the real
estate and stocks and bonds and stuff like that. And
to me, it's the best thing. Is the best thing
I ever did. Because it forced me to be on
a budget, like it forced me to I just didn't
have access to my money. I just I just couldn't
go get that money and spend it. I just they
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were paying me interest teamers every month and to be
on a budget, but at the same time, my money
was growing. So I feel like that's the best thing
I ever did, was invest all my money because if
it was liquid cash, I knew I was going to
spend it. So man, yeah, so I just I just
invested the whole thing. I mean it was pretty simple.
Real estate and just invest in the stocks.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I feel like that's another way for us to as fighters,
to you know, exercise that competitiveness and getting kind of
you know that basically have a different type of mission,
is to get involved in different things like that, because
if you invest in a business, you invest in certain investments,
like the competitiveness, like you yeah, your money's in there,
but you also want to be successful, you like, I
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want this thing to work. So it's like for me,
it's been helpful for me to do those kind of things.
You know, I may research a property, like it's exciting
to me to kind of do the research on that,
make the phone calls, Hey, why are they selling at
this price? Okay, let me see, let me see, you know,
the inspection report, what's going on with this. I like
that kind of stuff, and for me, that kind of
feeds me as an athlete as well as a challenge.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
So the first time I made money outside of boxing,
it was like I was so happy.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I was I could really.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Make money without fighting, you know, So that that really
motivated me. You know, once I touched money like doing
something else without boxing and it worked, they was like, man,
you grew.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
This is like you know, there's life outside of boxing.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I mean, I wouldn't say every every every business is
not a good investment, you know, because a lot of
people do do lose money and businesses. But you gotta
find like safe investments, you know, because boxing is already risky.
You don't want to risk your money twice. So you know,
real estates safe, you know. I mean unless somebody don't
pay the mortgage or the rent for you then you know,
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but it's always gonna be paining, but with everything, but
it's just about figuring it out and just working through it.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I don't know how Pennsylvania real estate is, but but
man Rudd got a good in Florida. Man, I'm in California.
You buy a little bit of nothing, it's gonna be
a million dollars.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah, facts like a freaking five hundred square for home,
like two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah, for sure, I got two more for you, Dan.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Eighteen year career.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
You have managed to stay out the way, Danny for
eighteen plus years. We don't hear your name and the
headlines for the wrong stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It ain't no whispers about Danny Garcia in the game.
How have you managed to be at the level you've
been at be the type of person you've been because
you you a man of the people too, so you
in the community, you around people they can reach out
and touch you. How have you managed to stay out
the way that long?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Just stay positive? I don't I don't feed into negativity.
Even if somebody say something bad about me, I never
seen nothing back.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
That's just how I don't like.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I don't like.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
I don't like that.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I don't like bad energy. I feel like you feed
into bad energy that you're gonna you're going to be
into that stuff. So you're can say what you want
about out me, but you probably never hear nothing back,
you know. So I just think I always focused on
positive things. And if you focus on positivity, then you're
gonna get You're gonna get positive back. But you know
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that nugget stuff comes my way all the time. But
I just walked past it, and I think that's why.
Maybe you know, thank God, but yeah, so I think
I just focused on the positive. That's the most important
thing for me.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
What's next for Danny Garcia?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
If this is your last fight in retirement, what is
the next mission for you?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
You know, be a family man. You know, I got
three kids. I definitely want to see my kids grow up. Like,
and my daughter's Philly ten. I feel like I missed everything. Yeah,
I feel like I missed everything. Like I look at
her sometimes I'm like, what grade are you in?
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Like, you know what I mean, Jason.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
So, my son Danny, he's one, you know, Uh, my
daughter Palace, she's three. That's the most point thing I
want to just see. I want to see my kids.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Girl. I want to invest my time into them.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I want to make them become successful, you know, teach
them how to be good people. And then you know,
just keep promoting boxing. I want to keep promoting boxing,
keep meeting new people, new new business ventures, you know,
just keep doing everything. Everything anything comes my way to
make sense, I'm gonna try to make it happen.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I'm gonna give you the last word, Roy, but I
just want to say this to you, Bro. I appreciate you, man,
because you're doing the right thing. You owe nobody, You
don't owe anybody anything. You've fought enough rounds, you've had
enough training camps, you've done all that.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You've established yourself in the history of the sport.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
You've been in a sport that you've been in since
you've been a kid, and you've made the Kings ransom
doing it. And you a great example man. And you
also reach back to the people. You reach back to
other fighters. You're putting people on, You're giving people opportunity. Danny,
You're not crazy for starting to count those punches. You're
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not crazy for feeling like, man, this is different. You're
doing the right thing, man, Trust what you feel. It's
always gonna be hard to leave this sport.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I have good days with it and I have bad
days with it. Some days I feel like, man, you're
real smart. In other days I'm like, brother, what are
you doing right?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
What did you leave on the table.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
That's the battle we always gonna have to fight. Roy,
understands it. You're getting ready to get into it and
understand it. But I just want to tell you, brother,
you're not crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Keep doing what you're doing. We need more examples like yourself. Man,
outside the ring, inside the ring. Bro Let the people talk.
They're gonna always have something to talk about. But they
only talking because you did something significant. So brother, I
salute you, man, and I appreciate you. Rod take us
out everything.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Andrew just said, I think you had a brilliant career
coming from where you came from and the story that
you and your dead to the way are did that
with where he came from.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Man, it's amazing. It's uplifting.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It is hard feeling to me because I know how
that goes, and I know how hard it is to
pull that off, and for you and your father to
be able to pull that off, it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Man.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So just like he said, Man, I'm very proud of you.
Are you doing the right thing? Ain't nothing wrong with
you at all. You're not crazy, and I think you're
very smart and you'll be You're not going to become
a great example for young guys to follow because that
you did it the right way.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Absolutely, I appreciate it. I mean, you can really think
about it. I was supposed to be done when I
fought Amer Khan. For me to be here thirteen years later, right, all.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Of a journey, So I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Thank you, man, Thank you for taking some time on
a Hall of Game. Brother.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I'm a double back with you at another time, man,
and do a real sit down where we can really
do a long form interview, man, because I'm sure that
people really want to understand your upbringing.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Those that don't understand it, man, But brother, keep doing
what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I hope to see you soon.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Thank you, Andre Roy, appreciate.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I want to talk about somebody that the boxing world
has written off for a very long time. Danny talked
about he was supposed to be written off twelve thirteen
years ago, and that's Ericson Lubin. He has a fight
this Saturday against Virgil Ortiz, very very tough fight. If
Lubin doesn't show up the way he's supposed to, this
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could be it for him. What do you think about
this matchup? Where Ortiz is right now with Boots. Boots
has been in the wings and been spoken about for
several years now, but it looks like it could be
a reality. But he's got Ericson Lubin to get through
before that becomes a reality.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well, the tough thing is that Erickson Lubin is a
guy who we expected a lot of good things from.
He's started out really really good, ran to the Charlo
fight and it's just one of those lucky shots, you know,
instead of just knocked him down, it kind of took
him out, you know, and that was a very fortunate
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and so he got back up and got himself together
a little bit more. But then he took on the
Tower in Fronto, who's a hard job for anybody. Yes,
he's a hard job for anybody. So he came up
short on that again. And then he got another fight
and they won a decision. That a controversial decision, but
he won it, you know. So somehow he keeps coming back,
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And for me, I take my hat off to him
because most people, when they failed the first time, then
they failed again, they giving up. Louwin has been very
strong in his chase to become a world champion. He's
been very dedicated to it, and it's like he don't quit.
So he has another hard task in front of him.
He's a guy who has never been given nothing easy,
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you know what I'm saying. He's the guy that every
time he tried to get it, it's been in almost
impossible circumstances. And if you look at this fight with
Virtual Ortis, Virgis just stopped the guy I think or
beating pretty bad that budd last before he Felo.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yes, dammy, he beat the mess out of him.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
And that's saying a lot for you, feel me. So
that tells you what virtually is in his career right now. Louping,
on the other hand, is a guy that's this is
probably gonna be his third strike, you know what I mean.
He gonna make it this time, he gonna hit a
home run. If he strikes out this time, he may
not get another shot. So you know, I'm hoping for
Looping because of how hard and how diligent he is pursued,
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how diligently he is pursued trying to become a world champion.
I'm hoping he can catch a break this time. But
it's gonna be very tough because Virgil Ortis is to
me peaking right about now, and I think he's the
toughest and best matchup for say a guy like.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Boot cenis this.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Is what fans don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
They think that because you have a good amateur background
and because you start out hot in the sport of
boxing and you got buzz, that it's a fourgone conclusion
that you're gonna graduate to contender and then graduate to
be a long standing world champion. It's not that easy.
One punch can change the trajectory of your career, and
we saw that with Ericson Lubn. Ericson Lubin was a
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top prospect and then he graduated to a contender. Lubin
can fight South Paul, he got flavor, he got fundamentals, he's.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Got all the stuff. And then he took the fight.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
With Jamel Charlow in twenty seventeen, and some felt like
it was too soon, right, they had bad blood, the
money was right, it made sense for him to take
that fight. And the worst possible thing can happen when
you on your way up and you get that first shot,
like that first shot where you're facing your first real guy.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
A first round knockout is the worst thing that can
happen to you.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
And it was a bad knockout, and you don't even
have to get knocked out to be written off in
the sport of box and you could just get dropped.
I was dropped early in my career. He's not who
we think he is. He's supposed to be a blue chipper,
he's a gold medalist. He's got no chin. They'll say
you don't have a chin if you get drunk. He
got knocked out. And for me getting dropped early in
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my career and then having to deal with the media
negativity and all the stuff for the first time in
my life, that was like a two year fallout where
I wasn't ruined, but I was rebuilding. So you got
Lubin now seems to always be in a rebuild. So
he had the Charlo situation. He's in a rebuild, six
seven fights.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
To get back.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Then he gets the Towering Inferno Sebastian Fondora in twenty
twenty two.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
He fighting life and death.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
He's all of a sudden, he's got grotesque swelling on
his face and the fight gets stopped. I believe in
the ninth round, And I don't know how to quantify
Lubin's career. I like Lubin and for him because you
don't want to see that happen to nobody.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
But he just can't seem to get over the hump.
And does that.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Mean that he can't take a shot or does that
mean that he just got hit with the right shot
and it just took his career in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I think that first shot took his career in a
different direction. But he definitely can take a shot. If
you see the gro tests like you said, sweating that
was on his face, that didn't come from the light punches,
and he steals on his feet, I thinks what you
might have dropped the Italian fronto once. So he is
not like it's not like he can't take a punch.
He can take a punch, just that one like we
see where we spoke another episode about what that one
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shot in the right place can do. That one shot
at the right time can turn your lights, you feel me.
So Mason, on the other hand, was able to bounce
back from his but he couldn't bounce back from that.
So the higher you get, the more devastating how you
get in weight, the more devastating that punch gets. As
you know that too, So I mean, if it's a heavyweight,
get caught with a punch like that, he probably is
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not coming back unless his name is Tyson Fury.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
But all other hitways, they probably not come back from that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Tyson Fury, maybe Larry Holmes because their homes came back
from some pretty gruesome knockdowns too, But them the only
two heavyweys that I know that come back from knockdowns
of that sort.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
So Virgil Ortiz is peaking. I mean, he's that's the
best I've seen him in his last fight. You know,
I've seen him make adjustments. He wasn't just fighting one way,
and that was against a real dude. Ericson Lubin has
to fight almost a perfect fight, not because he can't
take a shot, but because you got to put multiple
things together to beat top flight competition.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And in his big moments he's shown well, he.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Didn't have a shot against Charlotte because that ended so quick,
But even against Fondora, he showed a lot of good.
He showed hard right but maybe not always in the
right spots. He showed that he can still punch, but
it wasn't quite enough. And then you look up and
now you got grotesque swell on your face, and it's
enough where the fight has to be stopped. So I
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believe this is the third strike for Ericson Lubin good
dude in the sport, he mentors a lot of young
guys in the sport and the American fight. But but
this is the moment and if he doesn't get this
right this time, this may be it for him.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Hard Rode a hole for him. I mean, you gotta
think about it. If you just take and look at
what he had to face. Jamel's Charlo who was underpeated
at the time, the towering Inferno who is six foot
six fighting one hundred and fifty four pounds. Now, Virgil
Rtist who just took a guy that gave Terrence the
limit of a struggle and took him to school like
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he was nothing.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I mean, yes, So.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
These them three anybody taking that? That them three for
they three strikes. That's a hard three strikes not to
strike out on, you feel me. Lewin has had it
very hard, very unfortunate for him, But he's had a
very hard task of trying to get to be world champion.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Seen him get a.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Little bit of an easiest shot right now at the belt.
Just give him a built around his waist first. They're
not gonna give it to him. Unfortunately for him, it
doesn't happen that way.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
But if he can find a way to get it done,
this changes the course of his career in another direction.
He got more life, he got more paydays, and it'll
almost redeem him from them first two fights to say, Okay,
I got a young guy that y'all are high on,
and I took this fight even as I'm aging to
getting older, and I found a way to get it done.
So that's gonna be a great, great fight, and that's
gonna be Saturday. I want to shift gears one more
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time with another fighter who has a lot of talking,
a lot of discussion around him. He hasn't had the
hardships that Ericson Lubin has had. He's had thirty five
fights that have all gone his way, and I'm talking
about Jeron boots Ends. We haven't had an opportunity to
unpack his last fight that he had October eleventh, a
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first round TKO against Lima. A lot of people weren't
happy with the performance. A lot of people are saying, ah,
here you go fighting the same type of fighters again.
There is no doubt that Jeran boots In this can fight.
If you got one eye, you can see that. But
there's some dangers that I see around Boots. He's got
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thirty five professional fights. He's a fighter who stays in
the gym.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Right, So you first hear that you like, well, that's
what you want, right, You want your fighter to be
a gym rat.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Yes, and no, too much of anything is not a
good thing. You can leave a lot of your best
moments in the gym.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
He's from Philly.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I've heard how his sparing sessions go. He's not working
in them. I saying he don't work on stuff. Even
when you saw Boots face a retired Sean porter. Yeah,
he probably pulled some punches, but he was trying to
hit Sean with some real shots. That's just how boots
In it gets down and sparn. My concern for him
is that you get so many fights, and you spend
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so so much time in the gym, and you fight
a certain level of competition.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
He's thirty five and on. He hasn't fought an elite
guy yet.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Some people say nobody wants to fighting, but you still
got to deal with the fact that you haven't had
that type of danger that you need on the other
side of the ring to turn your senses on. At
the highest level, we can see what your defense is
when you got real danger in front of you. We
can see what your offense is when you got real
danger in front of you.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And I see Boots at times get hit with shots.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
That works with this guy, but it's not gonna work
with that guy. And what happens is if you spend
too long at a certain level, you start to get
a false sense of yourself. You assume and you tell yourself,
I can take a shot.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I walk through that.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Why can't I walk through this? I walk through this
in sparing sparn is different than a fight. This level
is different than this level. Do you have any concerns
about where Juran Boots in. This is right now in
his career and if he doesn't get this Virgil or
Tez situation, what next?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Well, I'm gonna keep it real with you.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
I hear that flag and the stuff that they say
about boot seedlings, But I can tell y'all one thing.
The guy he fought still onners. Nobody wanted to fight
that kid. Nobody wanted to fight ste Owners. None of
the top world twets wanted to fight ste Owners. Boots
took Stillness to school. Boots is the kind of fighter
that will fight to the caliber of his competition. You
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bring him some real you're gonna see real Boots. You
bring him some fake, you might see some other kind
of Boots. You understand me, But Boots is a guy
who has all the necessary tools to do anything to anybody.
When I seen what he did, is still on hiss.
That kind of let me know right there that he
was everything I thought he was and some Because still
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Owners is a guy like I can promise you that
the whole wealth weight division was trying to avoid. Now,
he didn't try to be quite as good as I
thought he was gonna be, but still everybody was avoiding
him because of his punch of power. Boots took him
to school, you understand me, and not even caring about
what his reputation was, who didn't want to fight him.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Boots straight out took him to school.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
So he showed me that when the competition or when
the call is here, he can get here, you understand mean.
So now I can't wait to see this fight this weekend,
because if Virgil Ortiz can be Erickson, then we have
to see Nicks Boots versus Virtual, so that'll show us
for real who is real and who is.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Not, you understand me.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I think they both really be honest with you, just
a matter of who has the more who has the
more ring savvy, you understand me, And being that gym
does give you a lot of rings savvy. So if
it'll be a blessing for us if Virgil artist can win,
But if Lubin wins, that's still not a bad fight.
Him and Lubin is still not a bad fight at all,
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because that would be I think lowing may be a
little more difficult of a task than Virtual would be
because Lubn is a soft pall.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Of course, Boots can fight.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Both ways, but I still think Lubin probably has a
few more tricks in the bag as far as experience
than does Virgil. But like I said, Virgion is clicking
on all cylinders right now. So whoever wins this fight
would be a great fight for Boots and how that goes.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I agree. Man.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
It looks to me that that jeron can rise with
the level of competition, But you just have to see it,
and I respect what you know. Bosey, his father and
his brother. I respect what they got going on in Philly. Man,
I have a lot of respect for the program. I
got a lot of respect for Philly. I got a
lot of respect for how they get down in the
sport of boxing.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I always have.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
But I think the time is now for Boots to
get this opportunity. I'm not talking about optics. I'm not
talking about the conversation that boxing Twitter is talking about.
Oh he's not busy. I'm not getting involved in that.
I'm saying from a development standpoint, if you are going
to be the king of any division, if you are
going to sit on a throne, and if you are
gonna run the game, you gotta start having these kind
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of fights. Because he's twenty eight years old, he's gonna
blink and be thirty. So I hope that he gets
the winner of this next fight that we're gonna see
this weekend between Ortiz and Lubin.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
But if he doesn't, it's gonna it's gonna be rough.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
He's got he's got to start getting in those type
of fights and being that guy that he's been against
top flight competition.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well, like I said, I think I think the only
the only place filming to go right now is the
winner of this fight this weekend. I think that's the
only place fel to go right now because like you say, yeah,
we were hearing about you driving the car. Well now
it's time was to see you drive a car again.
We say you driving once. We still on this, but
a lot of people don't know who stay on this was.
I just know because I know that people are riding him,
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but we want to see you driving a car that
everybody knows.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
We want to see how you riding that car. You
know what I saying.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Mean so and Virgil everybody knows. That's why I say
it's the best fight for him.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Nicks new Way class. Ye, he said after his last fight.
You don't really hear Boots always calling a lot of
names out. I mean, he said he'll fight anybody, and
I believe him. But I think the name that I
really saw him trying to go after was for a
period in time, was Terrence Crawford. But now he's saying
he's in the belt chase. He's collecting belts at one
fifty four. So I'm hoping that moving forward that Jerom
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Boots in it gets these opportunities that he wants that
he deserves to show the world what he really has.
A lot of fighters get offended when you say I
have to see. They don't want to. They feel like
you should know. It's like, no, we know to a
certain point, we won't really know until you get into
that fire. Why have been in fired?
Speaker 5 (44:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:49):
No, ain't talking about that fire at that level.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
I'm saying, when the heat gets cranked up to about
four hundred degrees, you've been in about one hundred and fifty,
you know, two hundred degrees. When you get to four hundred,
I want to see how you respond, not because we
don't believe.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
In you, but we want to see if you are
who we think you are.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
So I just I hope that this fight Saturday is
a great fight gets people excited. I'm hearing that Jeram
boots in this is gonna be at the fight, and
I hope that a fight can be made in short
order with the winner of Lubin and Ortiz, Because on paper,
Jeron boots Innis looks like a special, special fighter. But
I think people are getting they're getting a little tired
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of not knowing who his opponents are, and they want
to see him against other marque names.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So hopefully we get that.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
I guarantee, if the money is right, they will get
to fight. Because he ain't scared to fight nobody. He
wants that he just hasn't had the opportunity. They haven't
given me the opportunity yet. He wants that fighting. Just
ain't nobody gave the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, hopefully we get it after this Saturday.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Roy is always good talking to you, brother. When the
show first started, I didn't hear the roosters. Then I
started asking where are the roosters at? And then they
started howling because they heard me talking about him. And
now I think they back chilling doing whatever they're doing
on the farm and pencil color man. So I'm gonna
let you get back to work. I know you probably
got some fighters in your gym.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Talk to you soone brother.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Hey, thank you brother, talk to you later.
Whatever, super Ward Jones Jam hang out with my man
Andrew Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We threw Hall of Famers to bring y'all a new
show called a Hall of Game.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
A show where we discussed boxing, sports, life and entertainment
from RV.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
How much better than that? Can you get?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Me and Roy don't always agree. The one thing you
will get is a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What a game.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I want to welcome to the Hall of Game a
man who's a three time two division world champion. He's
an eighteen year vet in the game. He's a businessman,
he's an entrepreneur. I want to welcome to the show
my brother, Danny Swift Guarcia. Danny, I appreciate you taking
the time with us.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Today, Andre, Roy, appreciate you, guys man. Thank you for
having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Congratulations on your last fight October eighteenth against Daniel Gonzalez
at the Barclay Center. I think this is your tenth
time at the Barclay Center. That fight was build a
farewell fight? Was it really a farewell fight?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Uh? Yeah, I feel like it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
I mean, you know, after you win, it's like, YO,
give me whoever. But uh, going into the fight, yeah,
I just want to I don't want to be one
of the fighters to just keep fighting for a long time.
I've been in the game a long time, and uh,
part of the reasons like I'm not as passionate as
I used to be about it, and I just don't
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want to keep fighting just to fight. So that's part
of the reason why I know, I got a family
now and stuff like that. So I kind of want
to start thinking, like life outside the box and start
letting it go a little bit of the time, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Tell me about the passion conversation, like what things are
happening or have been happening over the last few years
that that you notice are different, Like I don't do
this like I used to.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I don't think like I used to.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Yeah, So a part of it when I start to realize,
like maybe I'm not as passionate as I was, Like
I started to like driving to the gym on a
sparing day, I'm like, damn, I'm really I'm really driving
to the gym to go fight.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Drive. You know, everybody go to the gym for different stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I used to think.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I started to think, like, damn, do I feel like
doing this today? You know, like I'm really going to
the smoke. I'm really going to fight, and uh things
like that, just like thinking about sparing day's and but
like running and all that.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I still like that.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
But it's just probably like the more physical part about
it that I started to think about it twice.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Man, that's crazy you said that, because that's that's one
of the markers that I had when I kind of knew, like, man,
this is different like my last probably two fights, probably
the Covidle two fights.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Like I'm going back to my training condo and I'm
i and I.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Can count the big shots I got here with, like
I know, Like, man, man, I got here with two
good ones today. Like I never thought twice about it
when I was a lot younger, or I started thinking
the same thing that you used to think. I said, Man,
most of my kids parents, you know, fathers, they going
to work whatever type of way they're going to work.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I gotta go fight three dudes today.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Right, I got three dude.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I'm paying them to try to do something to me,
to try to fight, to try to fight hard, try
to hurt me. My trainer putting a bounty on my head.
If you're knocking down, I give you extra thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
It just starts seeming crazy, like I'm going to the
gym to fight somebody on a random Monday.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Yeah, and then it's like days you have a bad day,
you really think about it, like you get your ass kicked.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You like, do I still have it?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Like?
Speaker 6 (03:36):
Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
I sat at home a couple of times, like in
the gym, Like after the gym, I'm like, you know,
I go home with a little well in my eye
or something.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
I'm like, damn, But yeah, that's that's pretty much. That's
probably like the only.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Thing, you know what I mean. And just like, uh,
the nerves and all that stuff. I think it takes
this hold on you after a while, you know, just
trying to stay strong.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I know you wired a little bit difference.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I don't know if you ever had no days like this,
but have you ever had something like this happened when
you think.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I ain't never had nothing like that almost happened to
meaning I ain't finna lose overse in gym. Ain't nobody
finna hit me two. I just I was I was,
I was just I was awful. You understand.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
When I came to training, it was like bad me.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I was really awful about this, and I was very
aintal about boxing so and I still am. My guys
don't understand why I'm so hard on them in training.
It's because I know what it takes. But what I
wanted to ask you too, though, Danny, was how was
it man being able to manage? Because you did something
that I definitely could not have done, but you was
able to manage to have your father's your trainer the
whole time.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
How was the how did that work out?
Speaker 5 (04:44):
You know, that's a good question.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
You know, me and Pops, you understand, like we started
from nothing together, you know what I mean, Like when
my father came out of prison when I was eight
years old, nine years old, we just.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
We just started to dream. You know. We were homeless,
we didn't have nothing.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
So I think we kind of build a special bond
in a friendship outside of boxing that was able to
keep us together as a you know, a fighter and
father trainer. And I think, you know, the bond that
we have outside the ring is what really kept us together,
you know.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
You know, So that's that's pretty much. That's great, But
it's been tough. It's been tough. I have a lot.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Some days, I'm like, man, why you didn't tell me
to do that? Like I go home and watch the tape,
I'm like, how you gonna see that? You know, because
sometimes you don't see it. You don't see it in
the ring you get I'm like pop fighting and telling
me he was blocking the app hit me with I
could see.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I'm like either, But you know, we have stuff like that,
Like we'll argue about stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I see.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's what the difference is with most people is like you,
you just hear the keyword. You argue about stuff like that,
you know what I'm saying. What the problem goes wrong
is when the father is a dictator and you can't
argue back with him. That's where the problem coming with.
That's what people don't understand. That's why I ask you
that question. I want to hear you say that so
I make sure I had it right. But with you
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being able to speak your mind, your father's allowing you
to be you, you know what I'm saying, Whereas in
most cases, like myself, my father was not gonna allow
me to be me.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That's why I had to leave.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Right well, because he probably always looked at you like
his son like a kid exactly. You know a lot
of fathers always no matter how old your kid, they
always to look at you like kids.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
The problem is with most people.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
But I explain to him, like, you know, I'm a
grown man now, Pops, like I got three kids. You
gotta you know, I meane it this far because you're
on my corner. But you know I had to want
to too, so you gotta. You still gotta listen to
me a little bit. You know, we got to work together,
and he was saying, man, you're right, and then we
just that's how It's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, I think that's the difference maker. Like you know,
most fathers are going to be fathers.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Most fathers are gonna always you know, even look at
their grown So that's my baby, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
A baby, that's my baby boy.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
And I think it's that adjustment though, that once your
son speaks up the way you did, that they can
make that adjustment.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I think that's really where it'sat right there.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
No, Absolutely, it's a communication, like both people got to
be one to understand and learn.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Man, Pops is not the easiest.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Person to do it.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
He's crazy. But for some reason, I'm like the only
person who listens.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
To a good thing, or at least he does this.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
But believe you won't listen.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Nobody listen to you. Though that's a great thing. That's
the best for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I want to go back to the ARIZONI Laura fight
in September twenty twenty four and getting back to the
conversation about the passion and the desire.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Danny. You one of the toughest fighters that I've seen.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You come from, you know, a fighting city, and you
don't have any turning you. But I could see in
that fight that it wasn't about you being afraid. It
wasn't about any of those things. It was just that
you could just tell that like you just like I
don't you know, like like I'm here, but I don't
know if I want to continue to do this. Like
what were you feeling in that fight to make you
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say in that ninth round like now I'm good and
then be able to be okay with that over and forward.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know part of the reason why by my last fight,
that's where I really want to fight my last fight,
because I'm like, oh, they calling me this, they calling
me a quitter. I got something for them, like it
don't matter who I was going to be in the
ring with. But going back to that fight, I was
out the ring for twenty eight months. You know, everybody
knows like in activities as a fighter's worst enemy.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
So I remember like just training and I just couldn't.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I couldn't get my mind back to that championship level,
like you know what, that type of mindset you got
to have to go into those big fights so you
could perform at that level.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I just couldn't get back. I couldn't.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I don't know what it was. I don't know if
it was the weight, because remember I went up to middleweight.
I was out the ring for twenty eight months. I
just couldn't get I just couldn't get my mind back
to that level.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I just I an't really had no excuses. It's just
I just I just wasn't feeling it, you know, and
I didn't want to get hurt. So it was like,
you know, I got a lafe after boxing. You know,
people always going to say something anyway, because when I
was winning, when I was beating, everybody was calling me
a check. So I know in the boxing world, you know,
people always gonna say stuff, but I know.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
That I'm built. I wish it didn't end like that.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Maybe I could have finished the fight, but everything happens
for a reason. But long story short, just my heart
wasn't in it and I just couldn't. I just couldn't
get my mind back to that level. I don't know
what it was.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
How did Pops accept that or deal with that that night?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And then you know, after the fight.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
No, Pops was uh, surprisingly like usually he's like, you
should have did this, you should have did that, you
know how it is. The night after, but he was like, look, Danny,
the risk wasn't worth the reward. Your health is worth
more than anything to me. So when I was like
when he told me that, I was like, damn. You know,
it was like I guess he did see somebodyn't you know.
I guess he saw He looked in my eyes and
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knew that I wasn't there, so he was just trying
to protect me.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
But he didn't.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
He didn't take it bad. He just always tells me, like,
your health is worth anything to me. You try to
be great, You try to go up two divisions, the
middleweight against the active champion who was a little older,
but never took a lot of punishment, and he Lara
was a onele a fighter, So I don't want to
take no credit away from me him either, But it
just my heart wasn't in it.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
I couldn't get my mind back to that championship level,
especially being out the ring for twenty eight months, going
up a weight class. I felt all the hits from
round one, and just like I felt, I felt every
hit from the first round to the ninth round.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Like my body wasn't absorbing it hits, right, I know
what you mean, man, I know what you mean. I
can relate. And not only that, I don't know what
Laura doing because he'd have.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Got a second, third, four or fifth mint Like he
acted like he just started his career, Like he like,
let's go I fight. Anybody bring a mom. I'm like, brother,
you got rounds in the bag, you got tough fights
under your belt.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You still want to and heat seem like he's not
who he used to be in terms of all the
movement and all the stuff, but he found a way.
You know, you're sitting there more and stuff. So that's
been interesting to see. But man, I just want to convence.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Part of him is like he felt like he'd been overlooked.
You know, some fighters never really get that.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
That's what keeps the hungry, Like, you know, I got
the team I had, I had all that stuff at
the spotlight on me. But he's one of those type
of fighters who never really had the spotlight on him,
and that's just keeping him hungry, like that that type
of mentality where it's like I'm gonna earn it, I'm
gonna I'm gonna show you I belong here.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And the money too, he's trying to get that back
in bad. He like, you know, I need to give
mine because one day.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I won't be able to do it. So this is
a great time to be in boxing.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Your era with with Ile and PBC was the best
time you could have been in it at that time
of money was at the highest, and then you know
Turkey Ala Chic and everything that got going on and
sort he took it to the next level.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So I think he's just trying to make sure you
get that bag.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
And you know he's got enough of an IQ where
he can trick a lot of the younger guys and
still surviving the sport. But I want to I want
to switch gears. Funny because I was asking Roy, you
know Roy on that farm. I was asking Roy with
a rooster?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So? I think I talked them up, so you know
they doing the thing right now? I thought, that's Pensacola, Florida.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I want to commend you, Danny, for you know, just
being speaking up. And you know, we do one of
the toughest things that anybody can do, be a professional
prize fighter. Your team gets you ready, but your team
gets out there ring and they walk down them steps
and it's just you and that other man. You you
take off that rod, you put on small gloves, and
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it's it's.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Gladiator school in front of the whole world.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
You've done that for most of your life, so you
don't owe anybody anything. But I appreciate you speaking up
about mental health. I appreciate you speaking up about your
struggles and even coming on here and talking about what
you actually felt in the lawa fight, because it's really
not something that fighters talk about there, you know, give
you a line to us. I just my arm was hurt,
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you know, I just didn't feel right, but they won't
get into the detail. Brother, I appreciate you taking the
time to talk about these things and normalizing these things
and not just hiding behind what we do or what
we did.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
For a living.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I just want to commend you on that, man, but
also ask you why to shift a couple of years
ago when you first start talking about it and still
talking about it to this day.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Why the shift?
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Because I've been holding I've been holding that in my
whole life, and I just felt like, like some days
I just I wanted to tell somebody how I felt.
But it just felt like growing up in Philly and
growing up where I come from, it's like you can't
tell people you're weak, like not weak, but you know
what I mean, like sign of weakness, like damn, I
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don't feel good.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Or I was always taught to just be tough and
just go for it, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
But once I started like having like symptoms like all apizia,
like ball spots, that's when I knew that I had
to start speaking up. And that's why I'm so open
now because I don't want to have nothing on my chest.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I don't want to I just.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Want to be free. I want to be who I am.
So yeah, once I started getting like voll spots and
I'll be dizzy in the gym and the room be spinning,
and it just all these type of symptoms I was getting.
I'm like, I have to tell somebody, you know, I
got to tell somebody. The first person I told was
my father. He was like, man, why you never told
me you felt like that? And I was like, you know,
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I'm a fighter. At first, I thought I was just focused.
You know, you're so like I just thought I was
locked in. I was so focused on everything that I
was feeling that way, But it really wasn't. It was
until I went to the doctors and they told me
that I was going through like like I was getting
all the piece because I'm going through like so much
stress that is attack in my hair, and I'm like,
oh yeah, I gotta start speaking up. I gotta start
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letting people on how I feel. And ever since I
spoke up, it just I've been an open book. And
then like it touched so much people in the world. Honestly,
I didn't know that much people in the world went
through that type of stuff. I'm talking about rappers, actors,
in all types of entertainers, football players reached out to me.
It was like, look, man, you changed my life. I
mean feeling like that my whole life. But I never
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thought nobody else felt like that. And I was just
speaking from my heart, like that day when I did
the interview and I started crying on the national television
on Showtime. I didn't wake up that day, tell the
world I was in a crowd TV.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Who would have thought that was my most famous movement, right.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
All these people are knocked out in the world and
my most famous moment is me crying on a personality,
you know. So it's just that's just my heart was
just telling me to speak about it, and that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Man, It's powerful.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I want to ask you Roy like, because you know
we talk about this a lot, and just your upbringing
and you know, just where you grew up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
In the country.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
It is a different mentality, right, Like the inner city
has a mentality, fighters in general have a mentality, but
then you know, you got a country mentality where you
gotta get it out the mud in a different type
of way. As you have age and gotten older, has
that gotten easier for you being able to talk more
and communication.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's gotten easier because you know, it's like it's like
to me. That's God's of showing us that we still
can grow as we get older, you know. So he
got old enough to understand that, Hey, it's o kid
to talk about issues that you have that you think
people may not understand or people may not be going through,
because when you speak out about it, you find out
a whole world of people are going through what you're
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going through and feeling just like just like you feel
afraid to say something because they don't want to see
me or come off as weak. But uh, the way
I was raised was just that way. I don't want
to hear nothing. But as you get older, you learn
to understand that by speaking or talking things out, it
always makes it better for you and you find out
your dreams. Just a long soldier, it's a lot of
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other people just like you. Absolutely absolutely, and that's dope.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
No. At first, I'm like, wait, am I taking too
much hit?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
I'm like, but I was like, nah, because I've been
feeling like that since I was a kid. To be honest,
I always felt like that I've been going through that
since I was a kid, Like I had got a
boss bon when I was a kid. My dad thought
I was a ringworm, like when he first came out
of prison. So I guess I was going through a
lot of stressed as a kid, you know, because my family,
my dad was away, you know, house was for clothes,
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and wasn't going to school, you know, going to true
and see court and things like that. So as a kid,
I was really stressed. But I didn't know. And that's
I had Alicia when I was a kid too, but
my father thought it was a ringworm. And then as
our life got better than my hair came back and stuff.
So this is time I've been going through as a kid.
That's how I know that. It didn't come from boxing,
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you know what I mean A lot of people all
comes from boxing, had CTE had punishment. No, this has
been it's just my that's the way my brain even working.
As a kid, I always been like a worrier, like
a person who just worries too much. But now it's
just like I realized that, you know, as much as
I loved everyone, I can't save the world.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
You know, you got you can't save the world. So
that's the type of mentality and have.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Now I went to best for everybody, but I can't
I can't put my mind to that type of pressure
no more.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, man, it's it's interesting Thenny, because I dealt with
that a lot growing up. A lot of anxiety like
that stuff has been generational on my family.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I'm talking about like extreme anxiety, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And I used to have little things that I used
to do that my dad could pick up on when
I was dealing with anxiety. But we never talked about
like the word anxiety. We never talked about like dealing
with depression and these kind of things. And I used
to be bad, you know, even as an adult, an
early adult, you know, where I may be going through
some with my wife or going through some with my kids,
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and instead of like opening up and trying to find
my words, I would just shut down. That was also
a thing in my family generationally. I know you mad
because you ain't talking to me. I know you mad. Yeah,
you isolate. But my faith in God has really really
helped me because I've learned to obviously talk to God
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and that invent that way, but then also you know,
just finding my words to talk to whoever I'm dealing with. Man,
it's a powerful thing because it is it is It
is a release. And they say stress to kill you
before anything right. And I noticed with us as athletes,
not just fighters, that most people are dealing with just
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a normal stressor stressors and pressures that they got.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
But we got a unique situation.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
We got we we can't just go in public and
do anything.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
People watching, people got phones.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
That's pressure, and a lot of times with athletes, what
they do is instead of going through the tough work
of talking about it, finding their faith in God and
having these outlets substance abuse, if I just drink enough,
I feel better when I drink, So that's what I'm
gonna do. Or they smoke or whatever they do, whatever
they vice is women, whatever it is. And that's why
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I think we see a lot of us, especially in retirement,
going by the wayside, and then.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
People say, oh, look at these athletes. They always do that.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Now, that's why it's important to speak about it, because
you can you can start doing stuff you never did before.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
And that's different type of gateway. You don't want to
go that route.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I want to talk about Danny the businessman. I don't
think you're your business acumen who you are as a businessman.
Your investments are talked about enough. I don't know if
you still have the barbershop. But you've got a barbershop
for many years. I know you invest in real estate.
You know you like a little you know, you like
a little ice too, and the ice I.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Kind of went Jane on him.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I'm playing Jane, yeah, Ice, Yeah you did.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I'm always touching forty years old, so I got to
you know, I can't.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
I still got a little necklace, but yeah, I'm playing
Jane now with the watchers.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
The fashion is really big to you. Who is who
is Danny the businessman? And how you spend and invest
your money.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
My father, when I was younger, he always told me,
like taxes in real estate, tax is the number one killer,
Like you don't even know, but your your money's halfway
gone before you get it, and you know fighters more,
you know, you get your whole check. So it was
for you defeated at the end of the year. So
my father just like, save your money and go buy
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some real estate. So I bought a lot of real
estate like ten years ago, and all that's double now
I'm still buying real estate.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And then I remember when I used to deposit my
checks like in the bank. The lady was like, no,
you should speak the wealth management to speak, the wealth
management because they can help you like grow your money.
But me coming from you.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Know, Philly, coming where I come from, I'm like, man,
I ain't buying those stocks, like I ain't losing my money.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Like you know, everybody tell you're gonna lose your money.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, I take it, take it away. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
So uh, one day I just bought like a Warren
Buffett book and I just read it. I read it
like a warm and he was like, Yo, the stock
market only crashed like ten times out of the last
hundred years. So I mean, you know why I'm gonna
take that. I'm gonna take that meeting with the wealth
management to see what they're talking about. And then you know,
they could give me like seven percent a year, eight percent,
and one day I would just like I just put
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the whole thing in there. I just put all my
money and I invested the entire thing in the real
estate and stocks and bonds and stuff like that. And
to me, it's the best thing. Is the best thing
I ever did. Because it forced me to be on
a budget, like it forced me to I just didn't
have access to my money. I just I just couldn't
go get that money and spend it. I just they
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were paying me interest teamers every month and to be
on a budget, but at the same time, my money
was growing. So I feel like that's the best thing
I ever did, was invest all my money because if
it was liquid cash, I knew I was going to
spend it. So man, yeah, so I just I just
invested the whole thing. I mean it was pretty simple.
Real estate and just invest in the stocks.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I feel like that's another way for us to as fighters,
to you know, exercise that competitiveness and getting kind of
you know that basically have a different type of mission,
is to get involved in different things like that, because
if you invest in a business, you invest in certain investments,
like the competitiveness, like you yeah, your money's in there,
but you also want to be successful, you like, I
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want this thing to work. So it's like for me,
it's been helpful for me to do those kind of things.
You know, I may research a property, like it's exciting
to me to kind of do the research on that,
make the phone calls, Hey, why are they selling at
this price? Okay, let me see, let me see, you know,
the inspection report, what's going on with this. I like
that kind of stuff, and for me, that kind of
feeds me as an athlete as well as a challenge.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
So the first time I made money outside of boxing,
it was like I was so happy.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I was I could really.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Make money without fighting, you know, So that that really
motivated me. You know, once I touched money like doing
something else without boxing and it worked, they was like, man,
you grew.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
This is like you know, there's life outside of boxing.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I mean, I wouldn't say every every every business is
not a good investment, you know, because a lot of
people do do lose money and businesses. But you gotta
find like safe investments, you know, because boxing is already risky.
You don't want to risk your money twice. So you know,
real estates safe, you know. I mean unless somebody don't
pay the mortgage or the rent for you then you know,
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but it's always gonna be paining, but with everything, but
it's just about figuring it out and just working through it.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I don't know how Pennsylvania real estate is, but but
man Rudd got a good in Florida. Man, I'm in California.
You buy a little bit of nothing, it's gonna be
a million dollars.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yeah, facts like a freaking five hundred square for home,
like two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Yeah, for sure, I got two more for you, Dan.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Eighteen year career.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
You have managed to stay out the way, Danny for
eighteen plus years. We don't hear your name and the
headlines for the wrong stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It ain't no whispers about Danny Garcia in the game.
How have you managed to be at the level you've
been at be the type of person you've been because
you you a man of the people too, so you
in the community, you around people they can reach out
and touch you. How have you managed to stay out
the way that long?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Just stay positive? I don't I don't feed into negativity.
Even if somebody say something bad about me, I never
seen nothing back.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
That's just how I don't like.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I don't like.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
I don't like that.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I don't like bad energy. I feel like you feed
into bad energy that you're gonna you're going to be
into that stuff. So you're can say what you want
about out me, but you probably never hear nothing back,
you know. So I just think I always focused on
positive things. And if you focus on positivity, then you're
gonna get You're gonna get positive back. But you know
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that nugget stuff comes my way all the time. But
I just walked past it, and I think that's why.
Maybe you know, thank God, but yeah, so I think
I just focused on the positive. That's the most important
thing for me.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
What's next for Danny Garcia?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
If this is your last fight in retirement, what is
the next mission for you?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
You know, be a family man. You know, I got
three kids. I definitely want to see my kids grow up. Like,
and my daughter's Philly ten. I feel like I missed everything. Yeah,
I feel like I missed everything. Like I look at
her sometimes I'm like, what grade are you in?
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Like, you know what I mean, Jason.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
So, my son Danny, he's one, you know, Uh, my
daughter Palace, she's three. That's the most point thing I
want to just see. I want to see my kids.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Girl. I want to invest my time into them.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
I want to make them become successful, you know, teach
them how to be good people. And then you know,
just keep promoting boxing. I want to keep promoting boxing,
keep meeting new people, new new business ventures, you know,
just keep doing everything. Everything anything comes my way to
make sense, I'm gonna try to make it happen.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I'm gonna give you the last word, Roy, but I
just want to say this to you, Bro. I appreciate you, man,
because you're doing the right thing. You owe nobody, You
don't owe anybody anything. You've fought enough rounds, you've had
enough training camps, you've done all that.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You've established yourself in the history of the sport.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
You've been in a sport that you've been in since
you've been a kid, and you've made the Kings ransom
doing it. And you a great example man. And you
also reach back to the people. You reach back to
other fighters. You're putting people on, You're giving people opportunity. Danny,
You're not crazy for starting to count those punches. You're
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not crazy for feeling like, man, this is different. You're
doing the right thing, man, Trust what you feel. It's
always gonna be hard to leave this sport.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I have good days with it and I have bad
days with it. Some days I feel like, man, you're
real smart. In other days I'm like, brother, what are
you doing right?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
What did you leave on the table.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
That's the battle we always gonna have to fight. Roy,
understands it. You're getting ready to get into it and
understand it. But I just want to tell you, brother,
you're not crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Keep doing what you're doing. We need more examples like yourself. Man,
outside the ring, inside the ring. Bro Let the people talk.
They're gonna always have something to talk about. But they
only talking because you did something significant. So brother, I
salute you, man, and I appreciate you. Rod take us
out everything.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Andrew just said, I think you had a brilliant career
coming from where you came from and the story that
you and your dead to the way are did that
with where he came from.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Man, it's amazing. It's uplifting.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It is hard feeling to me because I know how
that goes, and I know how hard it is to
pull that off, and for you and your father to
be able to pull that off, it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Man.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So just like he said, Man, I'm very proud of you.
Are you doing the right thing? Ain't nothing wrong with
you at all. You're not crazy, and I think you're
very smart and you'll be You're not going to become
a great example for young guys to follow because that
you did it the right way.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Absolutely, I appreciate it. I mean, you can really think
about it. I was supposed to be done when I
fought Amer Khan. For me to be here thirteen years later, right, all.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Of a journey, So I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Thank you, man, Thank you for taking some time on
a Hall of Game. Brother.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I'm a double back with you at another time, man,
and do a real sit down where we can really
do a long form interview, man, because I'm sure that
people really want to understand your upbringing.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Those that don't understand it, man, But brother, keep doing
what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I hope to see you soon.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Thank you, Andre Roy, appreciate.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I want to talk about somebody that the boxing world
has written off for a very long time. Danny talked
about he was supposed to be written off twelve thirteen
years ago, and that's Ericson Lubin. He has a fight
this Saturday against Virgil Ortiz, very very tough fight. If
Lubin doesn't show up the way he's supposed to, this
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could be it for him. What do you think about
this matchup? Where Ortiz is right now with Boots. Boots
has been in the wings and been spoken about for
several years now, but it looks like it could be
a reality. But he's got Ericson Lubin to get through
before that becomes a reality.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well, the tough thing is that Erickson Lubin is a
guy who we expected a lot of good things from.
He's started out really really good, ran to the Charlo
fight and it's just one of those lucky shots, you know,
instead of just knocked him down, it kind of took
him out, you know, and that was a very fortunate
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and so he got back up and got himself together
a little bit more. But then he took on the
Tower in Fronto, who's a hard job for anybody. Yes,
he's a hard job for anybody. So he came up
short on that again. And then he got another fight
and they won a decision. That a controversial decision, but
he won it, you know. So somehow he keeps coming back,
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And for me, I take my hat off to him
because most people, when they failed the first time, then
they failed again, they giving up. Louwin has been very
strong in his chase to become a world champion. He's
been very dedicated to it, and it's like he don't quit.
So he has another hard task in front of him.
He's a guy who has never been given nothing easy,
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you know what I'm saying. He's the guy that every
time he tried to get it, it's been in almost
impossible circumstances. And if you look at this fight with
Virtual Ortis, Virgis just stopped the guy I think or
beating pretty bad that budd last before he Felo.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yes, dammy, he beat the mess out of him.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
And that's saying a lot for you, feel me. So
that tells you what virtually is in his career right now. Louping,
on the other hand, is a guy that's this is
probably gonna be his third strike, you know what I mean.
He gonna make it this time, he gonna hit a
home run. If he strikes out this time, he may
not get another shot. So you know, I'm hoping for
Looping because of how hard and how diligent he is pursued,
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how diligently he is pursued trying to become a world champion.
I'm hoping he can catch a break this time. But
it's gonna be very tough because Virgil Ortis is to
me peaking right about now, and I think he's the
toughest and best matchup for say a guy like.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Boot cenis this.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Is what fans don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
They think that because you have a good amateur background
and because you start out hot in the sport of
boxing and you got buzz, that it's a fourgone conclusion
that you're gonna graduate to contender and then graduate to
be a long standing world champion. It's not that easy.
One punch can change the trajectory of your career, and
we saw that with Ericson Lubn. Ericson Lubin was a
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top prospect and then he graduated to a contender. Lubin
can fight South Paul, he got flavor, he got fundamentals, he's.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Got all the stuff. And then he took the fight.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
With Jamel Charlow in twenty seventeen, and some felt like
it was too soon, right, they had bad blood, the
money was right, it made sense for him to take
that fight. And the worst possible thing can happen when
you on your way up and you get that first shot,
like that first shot where you're facing your first real guy.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
A first round knockout is the worst thing that can
happen to you.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
And it was a bad knockout, and you don't even
have to get knocked out to be written off in
the sport of box and you could just get dropped.
I was dropped early in my career. He's not who
we think he is. He's supposed to be a blue chipper,
he's a gold medalist. He's got no chin. They'll say
you don't have a chin if you get drunk. He
got knocked out. And for me getting dropped early in
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my career and then having to deal with the media
negativity and all the stuff for the first time in
my life, that was like a two year fallout where
I wasn't ruined, but I was rebuilding. So you got
Lubin now seems to always be in a rebuild. So
he had the Charlo situation. He's in a rebuild, six
seven fights.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
To get back.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Then he gets the Towering Inferno Sebastian Fondora in twenty
twenty two.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
He fighting life and death.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
He's all of a sudden, he's got grotesque swelling on
his face and the fight gets stopped. I believe in
the ninth round, And I don't know how to quantify
Lubin's career. I like Lubin and for him because you
don't want to see that happen to nobody.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
But he just can't seem to get over the hump.
And does that.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Mean that he can't take a shot or does that
mean that he just got hit with the right shot
and it just took his career in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I think that first shot took his career in a
different direction. But he definitely can take a shot. If
you see the gro tests like you said, sweating that
was on his face, that didn't come from the light punches,
and he steals on his feet, I thinks what you
might have dropped the Italian fronto once. So he is
not like it's not like he can't take a punch.
He can take a punch, just that one like we
see where we spoke another episode about what that one
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shot in the right place can do. That one shot
at the right time can turn your lights, you feel me.
So Mason, on the other hand, was able to bounce
back from his but he couldn't bounce back from that.
So the higher you get, the more devastating how you
get in weight, the more devastating that punch gets. As
you know that too, So I mean, if it's a heavyweight,
get caught with a punch like that, he probably is
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not coming back unless his name is Tyson Fury.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
But all other hitways, they probably not come back from that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Tyson Fury, maybe Larry Holmes because their homes came back
from some pretty gruesome knockdowns too, But them the only
two heavyweys that I know that come back from knockdowns
of that sort.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
So Virgil Ortiz is peaking. I mean, he's that's the
best I've seen him in his last fight. You know,
I've seen him make adjustments. He wasn't just fighting one way,
and that was against a real dude. Ericson Lubin has
to fight almost a perfect fight, not because he can't
take a shot, but because you got to put multiple
things together to beat top flight competition.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And in his big moments he's shown well, he.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Didn't have a shot against Charlotte because that ended so quick,
But even against Fondora, he showed a lot of good.
He showed hard right but maybe not always in the
right spots. He showed that he can still punch, but
it wasn't quite enough. And then you look up and
now you got grotesque swell on your face, and it's
enough where the fight has to be stopped. So I
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believe this is the third strike for Ericson Lubin good
dude in the sport, he mentors a lot of young
guys in the sport and the American fight. But but
this is the moment and if he doesn't get this
right this time, this may be it for him.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Hard Rode a hole for him. I mean, you gotta
think about it. If you just take and look at
what he had to face. Jamel's Charlo who was underpeated
at the time, the towering Inferno who is six foot
six fighting one hundred and fifty four pounds. Now, Virgil
Rtist who just took a guy that gave Terrence the
limit of a struggle and took him to school like
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he was nothing.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I mean, yes, So.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
These them three anybody taking that? That them three for
they three strikes. That's a hard three strikes not to
strike out on, you feel me. Lewin has had it
very hard, very unfortunate for him, But he's had a
very hard task of trying to get to be world champion.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Seen him get a.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Little bit of an easiest shot right now at the belt.
Just give him a built around his waist first. They're
not gonna give it to him. Unfortunately for him, it
doesn't happen that way.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
But if he can find a way to get it done,
this changes the course of his career in another direction.
He got more life, he got more paydays, and it'll
almost redeem him from them first two fights to say, Okay,
I got a young guy that y'all are high on,
and I took this fight even as I'm aging to
getting older, and I found a way to get it done.
So that's gonna be a great, great fight, and that's
gonna be Saturday. I want to shift gears one more
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time with another fighter who has a lot of talking,
a lot of discussion around him. He hasn't had the
hardships that Ericson Lubin has had. He's had thirty five
fights that have all gone his way, and I'm talking
about Jeron boots Ends. We haven't had an opportunity to
unpack his last fight that he had October eleventh, a
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first round TKO against Lima. A lot of people weren't
happy with the performance. A lot of people are saying, ah,
here you go fighting the same type of fighters again.
There is no doubt that Jeran boots In this can fight.
If you got one eye, you can see that. But
there's some dangers that I see around Boots. He's got
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thirty five professional fights. He's a fighter who stays in
the gym.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Right, So you first hear that you like, well, that's
what you want, right, You want your fighter to be
a gym rat.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Yes, and no, too much of anything is not a
good thing. You can leave a lot of your best
moments in the gym.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
He's from Philly.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I've heard how his sparing sessions go. He's not working
in them. I saying he don't work on stuff. Even
when you saw Boots face a retired Sean porter. Yeah,
he probably pulled some punches, but he was trying to
hit Sean with some real shots. That's just how boots
In it gets down and sparn. My concern for him
is that you get so many fights, and you spend
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so so much time in the gym, and you fight
a certain level of competition.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
He's thirty five and on. He hasn't fought an elite
guy yet.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Some people say nobody wants to fighting, but you still
got to deal with the fact that you haven't had
that type of danger that you need on the other
side of the ring to turn your senses on. At
the highest level, we can see what your defense is
when you got real danger in front of you. We
can see what your offense is when you got real
danger in front of you.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And I see Boots at times get hit with shots.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
That works with this guy, but it's not gonna work
with that guy. And what happens is if you spend
too long at a certain level, you start to get
a false sense of yourself. You assume and you tell yourself,
I can take a shot.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I walk through that.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Why can't I walk through this? I walk through this
in sparing sparn is different than a fight. This level
is different than this level. Do you have any concerns
about where Juran Boots in. This is right now in
his career and if he doesn't get this Virgil or
Tez situation, what next?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Well, I'm gonna keep it real with you.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
I hear that flag and the stuff that they say
about boot seedlings, But I can tell y'all one thing.
The guy he fought still onners. Nobody wanted to fight
that kid. Nobody wanted to fight ste Owners. None of
the top world twets wanted to fight ste Owners. Boots
took Stillness to school. Boots is the kind of fighter
that will fight to the caliber of his competition. You
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bring him some real you're gonna see real Boots. You
bring him some fake, you might see some other kind
of Boots. You understand me, But Boots is a guy
who has all the necessary tools to do anything to anybody.
When I seen what he did, is still on hiss.
That kind of let me know right there that he
was everything I thought he was and some Because still
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Owners is a guy like I can promise you that
the whole wealth weight division was trying to avoid. Now,
he didn't try to be quite as good as I
thought he was gonna be, but still everybody was avoiding
him because of his punch of power. Boots took him
to school, you understand me, and not even caring about
what his reputation was, who didn't want to fight him.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Boots straight out took him to school.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
So he showed me that when the competition or when
the call is here, he can get here, you understand mean.
So now I can't wait to see this fight this weekend,
because if Virgil Ortiz can be Erickson, then we have
to see Nicks Boots versus Virtual, so that'll show us
for real who is real and who is.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Not, you understand me.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I think they both really be honest with you, just
a matter of who has the more who has the
more ring savvy, you understand me, And being that gym
does give you a lot of rings savvy. So if
it'll be a blessing for us if Virgil artist can win,
But if Lubin wins, that's still not a bad fight.
Him and Lubin is still not a bad fight at all,
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because that would be I think lowing may be a
little more difficult of a task than Virtual would be
because Lubn is a soft pall.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Of course, Boots can fight.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Both ways, but I still think Lubin probably has a
few more tricks in the bag as far as experience
than does Virgil. But like I said, Virgion is clicking
on all cylinders right now. So whoever wins this fight
would be a great fight for Boots and how that goes.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I agree. Man.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
It looks to me that that jeron can rise with
the level of competition, But you just have to see it,
and I respect what you know. Bosey, his father and
his brother. I respect what they got going on in Philly. Man,
I have a lot of respect for the program. I
got a lot of respect for Philly. I got a
lot of respect for how they get down in the
sport of boxing.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I always have.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
But I think the time is now for Boots to
get this opportunity. I'm not talking about optics. I'm not
talking about the conversation that boxing Twitter is talking about.
Oh he's not busy. I'm not getting involved in that.
I'm saying from a development standpoint, if you are going
to be the king of any division, if you are
going to sit on a throne, and if you are
gonna run the game, you gotta start having these kind
(43:07):
of fights. Because he's twenty eight years old, he's gonna
blink and be thirty. So I hope that he gets
the winner of this next fight that we're gonna see
this weekend between Ortiz and Lubin.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
But if he doesn't, it's gonna it's gonna be rough.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
He's got he's got to start getting in those type
of fights and being that guy that he's been against
top flight competition.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well, like I said, I think I think the only
the only place filming to go right now is the
winner of this fight this weekend. I think that's the
only place fel to go right now because like you say, yeah,
we were hearing about you driving the car. Well now
it's time was to see you drive a car again.
We say you driving once. We still on this, but
a lot of people don't know who stay on this was.
I just know because I know that people are riding him,
(43:52):
but we want to see you driving a car that
everybody knows.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
We want to see how you riding that car. You
know what I saying.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Mean so and Virgil everybody knows. That's why I say
it's the best fight for him.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Nicks new Way class. Ye, he said after his last fight.
You don't really hear Boots always calling a lot of
names out. I mean, he said he'll fight anybody, and
I believe him. But I think the name that I
really saw him trying to go after was for a
period in time, was Terrence Crawford. But now he's saying
he's in the belt chase. He's collecting belts at one
fifty four. So I'm hoping that moving forward that Jerom
(44:27):
Boots in it gets these opportunities that he wants that
he deserves to show the world what he really has.
A lot of fighters get offended when you say I
have to see. They don't want to. They feel like
you should know. It's like, no, we know to a
certain point, we won't really know until you get into
that fire. Why have been in fired?
Speaker 5 (44:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:49):
No, ain't talking about that fire at that level.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
I'm saying, when the heat gets cranked up to about
four hundred degrees, you've been in about one hundred and fifty,
you know, two hundred degrees. When you get to four hundred,
I want to see how you respond, not because we
don't believe.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
In you, but we want to see if you are
who we think you are.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
So I just I hope that this fight Saturday is
a great fight gets people excited. I'm hearing that Jeram
boots in this is gonna be at the fight, and
I hope that a fight can be made in short
order with the winner of Lubin and Ortiz, Because on paper,
Jeron boots Innis looks like a special, special fighter. But
I think people are getting they're getting a little tired
(45:27):
of not knowing who his opponents are, and they want
to see him against other marque names.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So hopefully we get that.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
I guarantee, if the money is right, they will get
to fight. Because he ain't scared to fight nobody. He
wants that he just hasn't had the opportunity. They haven't
given me the opportunity yet. He wants that fighting. Just
ain't nobody gave the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, hopefully we get it after this Saturday.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Roy is always good talking to you, brother. When the
show first started, I didn't hear the roosters. Then I
started asking where are the roosters at? And then they
started howling because they heard me talking about him. And
now I think they back chilling doing whatever they're doing
on the farm and pencil color man. So I'm gonna
let you get back to work. I know you probably
got some fighters in your gym.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Talk to you soone brother.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Hey, thank you brother, talk to you later.
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