November 11, 2025 • 28 mins
Andre Ward and Roy Jones Jr. go deep on Vergil Ortiz’s win, Lubin’s future, and if we'll finally get Ortiz vs. Boots. Roy’s headed to Dallas to work with Errol Spence, and Dre reflects on what it means to see Spence back around the fight game. An honest, unfiltered Hall of Game episode that doesn’t shy away from the hard truths.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Discuss boxing, sports, life and entertainment from our view.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
How much better Neck and you get Me and Roy
don't always agree.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
The one thing you will get is a Hall of Fame.
What a game.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This past Saturday, we spoke leading up to the fight
about the Virgil Ortiz Ericson Lubin fight. We talked about
all the hardships Lubin has faced, the tough losses and
the biggest moments, and you made a comment, you said,
this could be his third strike if he doesn't rise
in this moment and overcome this challenge, because Ericson Lubin unfortunately,
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at every big moment, he's come up short, and he's
come up short in a big way and been stopped
in all three of those moments. And that third stopage
happened this past Saturday against Ortiz at Dicky's Arena in
Fort Worth, Texas, and you could see Lubin cautious, and
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when you come off a knockdown or a bad previous
fight on his case, you know a career of tough moments.
You're not fully confident all the time. If you can
take the shot, you know, and I know that sparring
big glove sixteen, eighteen fourteen, whatever, how many whatever ouncers
you use gloves and headgear is a lot different than
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aight ouns glove with no headgear. And you can see
in my opinion that Lubin was not really wanting to
get hit early on, and he made a big mistake
in the second round. I think he got touched with
a shot on top of the head that he felt
and he went back to the ropes and he leaned
on the ropes and he leaned on the ropes because
his legs weren't right, and a lot of times fighters
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would do that for support to hold him up. And
it's a sense of stability because I feel like, if
I don't have this support from these ropes, I might
fall down. And Virgil Ortiz did what Virgil Ortiz does.
He kept punching. It's not always pretty, but it's effective,
and it's power behind those shots, and he just started
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landing right hands and he hit Lubin with a right
hand that I think buzzed him. But then he hit
him with another overhand right that froze him and Lubin
was essentially out on his feet and Ortiz maybe landed
one or two other shots, and the referee did a
great job of giving Lubin sometime but not too much
time where he could get hurt.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, Gravity did a great job.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Man shot to Lubin for being the Warrior Day's band man.
But his role to the championship has been very, very difficult.
Brou Like we said before, Charlo the towering Inferno and
now a peaking Virgil Ortiz. I seid that for Heason
when I said that, because when a guy's peeking, he said,
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it's hardest space to be the man.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You know what I'm saying. I mean, this guy gonna
get boots, all boots bumps.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Now we're gonna find out some truths and facts about
boots that I think we already know. But he gonna
make boots that did deep in his bag, you feel me.
And because Virgion is not a joke, he's peaked right now.
He's the best we ever gonna see. Virgilal cheese right now.
When you find that man, it's hard to beat that.
You know what I'm saying, and people that don't understand
boxing or understand the support. It's like the whole six
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week training camp is like Hani, you can tell he
is peaking now, you understand me.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Your whole goal is to go be yourself up to
a peak.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That's why I used to like mess with the roosters
back in the day, because you have to learn how
to make him go to a peak. And I knew
I was good at it because I knew how to
do that with myself.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
You understand me. So you want to bring something to
a peak so they can perform at his best, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And that being said, Virgie is at his peak. It's
gonna be hard for anybody to beat Virtual right now
because he's peaking. You understand me. When you get to
that point, that's the hard pace. But Boots might be
peaking right now too, because Boots sent me looking bad.
Boots for the guy that, like I said, people didn't
give him a lot of credit for because in this
country we don't know him that well. But the guy
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he fought, that guy was pretty good. A lot of
people was avoiding that guy, and Boots took him to
school like it was nothing. So we're gonna find out
what's we form for our friend man Lubin. I feel
really bad for Luping because of how hard of a
road he had to go down to try to become champion.
I felt like they should have gave him something a
little bit easier to get him back in the game first,
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and then they didn't go try to fight somebody like
a Virgil or Tis.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Every time.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I feel like his career he got in his career,
I felt like he got rushed in to almost an
unwinnable situation.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You understand me.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And you don't want to take a guy chances before
the fight starts, but the tying in fronto, that's an
unwinnable situation, you understand me. Charlo was early might have
been unwinnable too at that point in his career. This
fight with Virgil Ortis, that was almost unwinnable because version
of speaking right now, you took a year off. We
can't seen you in a year. How can you come
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off of a year layoff, off of a bad knockoff
stoppage and didn't beat this dude who's peaking right now.
Just didn't make sense to me. Man didn't make sense
to me.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think that all three of those fights he could
have won. I think he had just as much of
a chance as Charlo to win that fight if he
fought the right fight. Now that's tough to say with
that fight because he got caught so early and you
know the fight was over, so it's hard to say
what he would have did and should have did. But
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maybe that fight notwithstanding, I think those other two, even
Sebastian Fundor, I think the problem sometimes a loving is
that he has a lot of tools, but he's not
always grabbing the right tool and the right moment. Like,
we know he's tough, he's checked that box. But sometimes bro,
you being tough in the wrong spot and in the
wrong moment. We know you can bang, but sometimes your
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bank you're going toe to toe at the wrong time
when he has the advantage and you don't, and you're
getting the worst of it. You're staying in there, but
that's not what you should be doing. And then sometimes
maybe you boxing when you should be slipping mid range
and inside. So I think he has had a tough road.
But when you lose the first big moment against Charlo,
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now you're playing catchup. So now he did take fights
in between before he got the Sebastian fundor that's the rebuild.
But you got promoters saying, well, if you want that
kind of money, you're gonna have to fight this kind
of guy. And that's where the struggle comes in at
Not only are you trying to get some get back,
improve to yourself, improved to the world that I can
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fight at this level, but you're not gonna get a
certain bag unless you fight at that level. And it's
the same thing with Virgil Ortiz. Lubin has had fights,
he's had tune ups, he's had Sea level B minus
guys to stay sharp, but them C minus B minus
guys gonna bring C minus B minus bag. Lubin wants
to a level bag, so he's got to fight an
A level fighter, and unfortunately he came up short again
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on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I hear you, but the towering in Fronto is not
the bag I want to go after. I'm sorry, I
I understand, but I got to that bag. When I
have to go after that bag, I would have much
better fault I'm saying I would have much better fault
Zoo at that time than the tower in frontal Zoo
was more reachable Zoo was more your height.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Zuo was a lot more.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I mean, he's a tough fight too, and get it wrong,
but I would have much rather have taken Zoo instead
of the towering Infernto at that point, you know what
I'm saying. So there are other guys I feel like
we could have fought other than than the ones he
fought at the time he fought on. I definitely wouldn't
have taken a peaking Virgil or Chies right now over
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somebody like I would have even said, give me jimil Charlow,
you understand me, somebody I rematched because he come off
a loss.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So I would have preferred something like that, but not
a peaking Virgil or Chies. That's the wrong fight for me,
in my undest opinion, that's the wrong fight at the
wrong to. And I want to ask you, so some
of the stuff you're talking about right now, it makes
sense with with with knowing when the band knowing with
not the bang, But then Vergion tell you kind of
when you should do that kind of stuff and when
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you should not. Wouldn't Vergion kind of give you a
reminders or say, hey, we don't need to paint with
this guy, or hey, we gonna push him back. Didn't Vergion,
didn't Vergion give you those kinds of instructions sometimes absolutely,
So saying that that a lot of what you said
what I heard would sound like it's a trainer's issue
because seeing that the trainer should be telling him, hey,
do this or don't do that. You understand Come, if
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you trust your trainer. Now, if you don't trust your trainer,
of course you're not going to listen. But people like
you me, we listen to people that we hire because
those people you didn't know how to know how we
are better than we know ourselves, and or they know
it's best for us, I should say, So we can't
listen to what we want to do. Sometimes we gotta
listen to the game plan because right now what we
want to do, it ain't time for it, you understand me.
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And we don't know if that's the coach or is
it him, because some guys will listen, some guys won't listen.
So I think that what we don't want to overlook
is the fact that Lubin for all three of his
fights at one fifty four, and they fall three, hella
of opponents at one fifty four, trying to become a
world champion. He gave it us all. He ain't never
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duck and dodge nothing or nobody. By this third time,
it looks like boxing has taken a little bit of
a tote one right. But the difference in him and
Hani is that Haini's weight train is basically what we're saying.
What he's telling us now has been his kipt tonight,
not the fact that he's Yes, that's what is. So
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it's the difference when there's a weight train and when
it's just you've been through enough of them, you know
what I'm saying. Mean, Han, he ain't been through enough
for the man he's saying basically just a weight train
that affected his bunch resistance. Luben, on the other hand,
has been the same weight the whole time. Just a
lot of hard fights. He's been through, you know what
I'm saying. So make sure you guys underst in the day.
Is a difference there. One guy's moved up from wait
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because the weight tram was getting the other guy was
already and other guys to be a little older than hanging.
So he's just kind of he didn't have been through it,
and he'd been through a lot. So we're hoping that
he comes through it okay and uh that he finds
a better way to live. But he been through a
lot and it was all at the same way class
hanging moving up point.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's a bit of different. I want you. I want
you to I want you to understand that.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I feel me because some people look at and saying, well,
wait a minute, he's just y'all saying he did and
he did. No, no, no, it's a little bit different.
One guy been at that week one guy was weight
training himself. So it's little bit different. That's all I
want to make it. I want to say that earlier,
but I want to clear it up before we go,
because what we do here, Andrea, I love a lot
and I seen verge of the weekend his fighter beat
up my fighter this weekend, and what we do, what
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we do is he was like, he's very happy with
what we're doing here, and we try to be informative,
informative to people about boxing things that they don't understand,
they don't get, and that was one of the things
I felt like, we need to make sure we clean
that up because this guy is different to me and
weight training and just having a whole lot of whole fights.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
You understand me. So I want to make sure we
cleared that up.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, Lubin has had you know. I think that was
his third coach as a professional last night. K Caroma
previously was with Kevin Cunningham and I don't know who
his original coach was as a professional. But it's not
just as easy as giving instructions, you know this Roy,
It's about the fundamentals, like like, what have you built
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when you're not in front of the lights? Do you listen?
When have you been listening throughout the years. Because we
think because it's a big moment and my coach is
given me big instructions that sound good, that I should
just take it and run with it. But if you
don't take that and run with it on a day
to day basis, if you don't have a good base,
a good foundation with how you train, the things you
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work on, and your relationship with your coach, you're not
gonna do it in that big moment. You're gonna trust
yourselves over the over the eyes that you got outside
the ring. So and I don't know enough about Lubin
to say what it was in terms of the coaching situation.
But if you don't have good fundamentals, not X and
O jab right hand. I'm saying fundamentals as an athlete.
If you don't work on certain things, listen to your coach.
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I got you coached, do it execute it is that
if that's not a rhythm for you, if that's not
something you do or haven't done throughout the course of
your career, you will not do it in the big moments.
It sounds good, you should have, you would, It's not
gonna work. It's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And that's all I'm saying. I'm thinking that. I'm thinking
that he didn't have that coninuity with a coach.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, it's hard, juche with the last coach because he
just started working with him.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's hard with all them.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Father, But I'm just saying, until you develop that Bunny
and Clyd type thing with your coach, it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It's gonna be very difficult.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Where do you think Lubin goes from here? I know
that Roy, you've had a long career and we talk
about it all the time, that you got a different
type of stubbornness about you, but not everybody got that
kind of stubbornness about them. What would you recommend Lubin
do after Saturday Night's performance.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I don't really want to see him fight no more
because I don't feel like it's good for his body anymore.
I don't like to see a guy slumped off on
the ropes against the ropes like that. So I really
rather see him stop and maybe go back to giving
what he's learned in sport back to somebody else now,
because I don't want to see him get injured, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So he's learned a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
He was an awesome box in his day, has a
lot of talent, can do a lot of things, and
I think he can give that to some younger kids
coming up now. And also he'll be able to teach
him how to avoid the things that may have caused
him to sit back. You understand me, how to not
go too fast, maybe how to try to be a
continuity with a coach so that you can proceed and
go further. Then you can trust this guy if you
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can't see, and this guy to tell you, hey, just
keep the right hand up and make sure you keep
every time he finished throw the left foot. You trust
him enough to do that, then you know you understand me.
So things like that that we're talking about now, these
are things that Luba's gonna be able to take and
go give to another younger fighter coming up.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I agree. You know, it's tough to lose. On that note,
It's tough. It's tough. And some people say, oh, you
don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I do know.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I do know because I've lost, you know, as an amateur.
I haven't lost as a pro. But you don't have
to lose to I've had bad days, I've had bad performances,
and I've seen, you know, the look on my team's face.
I've seen how the media is shifted. Oh you got dropped,
Oh this happened. You know you lost this fight? How'd
you win? You I've dealt with things that is not
the same as Lubin, but I've had dark days in
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this sport, and you feel for Lubin. I've known Lubin
for a long time, not really personally but just from
a distance. But I think one of the smartest things
he can do is have an honest conversation with himself.
And I just don't think the punch resistance is there
at this point. The first big shot that that he
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got hit with Saturday night, you can see his body
kind of like freeze up and just not respond. Well. Now,
if he took that shot and came back and dished
out just as much or more than he got than
you say, Okay, that's we're having a different conversation right now.
I care for lubn Man and respectfully, man, I think
that to your point, he can make it. He can
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have an impact somewhere else. He's from the Orlando area
and he's also got ties in the game. I think
he can have an impact a different type of way,
and he can share the things he did great, the
things that work, but also you know, the things that
didn't work. He can share those experiences with the next
generation amateurs and pros and and and still be just
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you know, just relevant in the game, you know, as
best he can. So, man, I wish him well, brother,
you got my respect. This is a very very difficult game.
I know we act like this is you know, a
scripted event, like oh, you know, just do that. It's
not easy, but anything can happen. Uh, most of the
time that thing does happen. And I appreciate you Lubin
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for not giving up when you could have at certain
points in your career, not throwing into town and still
believing in yourself because I looked at the build up
before the fire, and he still had the confidence. He
still had that swag about him as if he was
a champion, as if he had not taken them losses.
So I appreciate you, Bro for maintaining that and fighting
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to keep that throughout the course of your career. Bro,
I think your better days are in another place. You
can still be a part of the sport, but personally,
I don't want to see lupin fight anymore. Well, it
was another fighter in the arena in the Dickeys Arena
that night, and it was Jeron Boots Ennis. He was
ringside and he kept hitting his hitting his hand like this, saying,
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at this time, it's time he got in the ring,
while Virgil Ortiz is doing his post fight interview and
they went back and forth. And I don't know. Normally,
when you see something like that, you walk away from
the TV or wherever you're watch in a fight and
you have a lot of confidence that that's gonna be
the next fight based on some of the things that
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were said. They're arguing about who started it and whose
father did what. And then I heard Boosts, you know,
basically hypothetically say to Eddie Hearn, where's the paperwork? In
other words, where's the contract, Let's sign the contract. So
I don't know if he was just if that's a
hypothetical he's just saying that, or the contract really hasn't
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been signed by Roy. I don't know if that fight
is gonna be next because after the fight, I hear
you and I see you, but I'm looking I'm listening
to Virgil Ortiz postfight press conference. He called out Ero
It said it was a dream fight. He said, I
don't care what none of y'all say. I want to
fight him, and he also called out Terrence Crawford to
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mention that he wanted to fight Terrence Crawford. Y are
we getting this fight with Jeran Boots in his next man?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Let me just say it like this.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I don't see nowhere in the world that you go
off and you actually told Boots to come up here.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You called Boots up there, So all.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
That you're talking to post fight prins conference, don't about
to hear that you told the nation when they can
see it, because see a lot of people couldn't see
the post fight Prins conference, but people saw the interview
right after the fight. You told us that the man
already told you, Hey, it's time. You told us that's
what was next. If you avoid that and don't do that,
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you're gonna lose a lot of respect from a lot
of people, and I might be one of them, because Virgil,
you better believe it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You act like you was up for the challenge.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Everybody knows that it's like Boots said, it's time for him.
Everybody wants to see Boots against her real opponent. Virgil,
you're peaked right now. You're the the best option to
make us uh, to let us figure out all the
answers that we want to know about Boots in this
and you're gonna go say bout Earl Spence and somebody else.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
We don't want to hear that. I definite don't want
to hear that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
You told us on national TV after the fight that
you wanted to do exactly what that man said. That
man told you, Well, that's what I want to see.
I don't want to see you do nothing else.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You can come back and go to Earl later. You
can come back and go to a corfor later, if
corfor chooses to do that. But what I want to
see right now is the two best dream of the
wakes on the horizon fight. It's two undefeated guys who
are equal. Don't run from that smoke, bro, don't run
from that smoke. Let's make that happen.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, look, maybe maybe the maybe the Crawford conversation and
the expense conversation. Maybe maybe just negotiate. Maybe just trying
to send a message that I got some options, so
don't I hope it don't come saying don't come saying
you want the Lion share this money when we really
start negotiating. Maybe that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I hope that's Maybe that's a tactic. I hope that is.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But see, my other problem is when Turk get involved,
you don't need all that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You don't need all that Turk bring.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
A perk our pocket, but that you ain't gonta ask
all that he gonna make you and he gets his ship,
so we won't need all That's that's the thing Turk
has been able to do. This game is fixed that part,
so that part you can't do that no more.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's out back and forth about no money. Here's the number,
no more, here's the number.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
He did what he did what I love to say,
he eliminated all excuses. You want the fighter, You don't
you understand me, So don't think you gonna go down
and say, oh, well no, no, no, no, no, no,
Turk bring the purse. Ain't no way to say no.
You just can't say no. It used to be just
saying no when Turk came. Is that now I said,
you can't say no?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, he's proven that exactly. He's proven that.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I saw Erol Spence at the fight on Saturday. Dallas
Native fort Worth is right there next to Dallas, and man,
it made me feel good because, you know, Aerol has
been to himself, rebuilding, recovering, spending time with his family,
all the things that you would expect, you know, a
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man like that to do. You know, Earl has been
very very open about being a family man. His kids
come to camp, he talks about his kids all the time,
and it was good to see him looking good, shining,
just you know, smiling and being around the fight game.
I missed Aero Spence around the fight game and it
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looked like to me that the fans missed Aero Spence,
and I think he deserves that because people want to
compare the UFC to boxing, and it's always a conversation
about what's better, you know, just all the different stuff,
what sport is more popular. But one thing you cannot
take from the fans of the UFC that when lose
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or draw, you will be respected. We're gonna honor you
and we're gonna show you love. We don't do that
in boxing. You lose one time, I told you what nothing.
I told you. He ain't never fought nobody, and as
soon as he fought that guy, that was gonna happen.
And we got to change that because Aero Spence is
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a guy that has always fought the best competition. He's
always look for the best challenges. He was a guy
that said and coined the phrase, I don't do tune ups.
I respect it. I believe in tuneups. Give me my
gimme fight and then I'll go fight him. That ain't
Aero Spence. Aero Spencer's had detached Redina's horrific car car
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accident that almost took his life and he comes right
back and fights a number one contender, a top contender,
or another champion. So for me, it was it was
great seeing him in the element again because for athletes
and fighters, when you really believe that you're gonna beat
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a guy like he believed he was gonna beat Terrence,
and it ends the way that it ends, that's gonna
shake you up. You gotta you gotta answer a lot
of questions to yourself, not media, not fans, not even
your family, to yourself, what happened? How did this happen?
I never I didn't see this coming. And sometimes Roy,
you gotta get away to re field. Internally, you got
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to make the decision. Do I even like the sport?
Like I said earlier, do I even want to be
around these people? Is this something I still want to do?
And I've seen early in the gym and I saw
him amongst the people, Saturday man, and it just made
me feel good. Bro for him to get that love
that he was supposed to get and to see Aero
Spence back around the fight game.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And he deserved all the love that he got because
he truly put Dallas back on the map in boxing.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You understand me.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
He put Dallas back on the map, so he deserved
everything he got. My daughter cried when he lost because
she was such a fan of him and knowing what
he had done for Dallas, she was deeply hurt when
he lost that fight.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
So it's like a lot of people do really love Earl.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Spence because he's a downright, down to earth, very good guy,
you know. And I mean I was supposed to go
work with him something tomorrow. As a matter of fact,
I'm going to Dallas tomorrow to work with him a
little bit and I'll see where he at, see where
we can hear him get back to because I do
want to see him get back on the horse and
ride again. Those fans at that fight that we can
they want to see him get back on the horse
and ride again. So if anything we can do to
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help him, ou I'm gonna go see what I can
do and to help get him back on the horse.
And like I said, I don't have to be his trainer.
I just want to help him get going and see
what he can do. If he likes it cool, just
get back up. Sometimes we all go through these things,
But the main thing is can you get up from it.
You're not judged by how you go down, it's how
you get up. So all of us want to see
him get up. And if he just had one more fight,
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just for the fun of the self, cheme go out
on my shield. I'm gonna go out right. I'm cool
with that too, But I am sore difficult. I'm gonna
go help him out tomorrow, start working with him. I'm
gonna try to get him a couple days of work,
see where he at and help him, try to make
a good, smart decision. And if he got it, he
gonna go with it. I'm sure he wouldn't come to
the arena if he wasn't thinking about it. So he
was lit up in that arena. He loved that fan
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that fan support. You could tell he was in his
elements and that made me happy to anything. Because he
was glowing in that element. That means he still got
it and he wants to be in the element again,
and or he knows that too.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Said his name, and that show you. That shows you
the impact that Errol had throughout the game. That shows
you the stamp that he's put on the game and
the star power, that star power that he's had he's
been away from the game for for well over a year,
year and a half. I think it is and a
fighter who is peaking, a fighter who is on the
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verge of, you know, fighting the biggest fight of his career.
And I'm talking about Virgil Ortiz. He's thinking about Aerol
Spence just the building.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Some say, says some he always wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But I'm saying he mentioned that man because of the
impact that Errol has had. So man, salute to the
brother Erol Spence. Man, We're pulling for you. I don't
care if you ever fight again. I know you winning
in life. You have a beautiful family.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I know he got some laying out there in Dallas
and he's just enjoying himself. Man, y'all brothers, that guy
laying y'all just you ain't saying y'all happy all the time.
But man, y'all move a little bit different. It's something
almost like I can work in the madness, but but
I got my safe haven. I got I got my
spot that I can go back to.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
So here's the thing. Here's the thing, Tray.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
It's like even with Earl, when you first come off
of a loss and you come back out, Like you said,
the thing we need to get is that in the UFC,
they love their guys regardless and boxing some love or
some hate on you, you understand mean, I knew he wouldn't.
I know he wanted to, And no matter what the
reason may be, they don't look at all that they
just was greating to hate on you anyway. So to
come out and see that you still have that kind
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of love makes you really happy and makes you feel
power for what you stoo up for what you did.
But at the same time, if you come out and
you realize you don't have a love, when you get
back to your land and these chickens and these dogs
and these cows and these horses and these goats see you,
you ain't never lost to them. They still love you
like you number one. You und me, and you're gonna
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always be thember one to them, you understand mean. So
it's like having that helps you keep a balance in
life and makes you look get things from the way
God would see things. Hey son, you went not deal
what I gave you the talent to go out and do.
I'm very happy with that. You ain't supposed to with
them all. You ain't God, but you deal what you're
supposed to do. I'm cool with that, so let's go.
You all good.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
That's how those animals in that farm make you feel.
You understand me.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So that's why people with that kind of stuff seem
to be able to go get over it quicker because
we have a peace and a form of tranquility that
we get from that farm. Understand those animals. They give
you a different kind of love, you know. They give
you everlasting love forgiving love. You understand me. They don't
care what happened. They just want you back.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Check this out. I'm I got a ranch two hours
from where I live my primary house, So I'm getting
to go up to my ranch today so I can
get some of that love. I want to feel some
of that love us to that now. I love it, man,
and I think it needs to be said, and we
will continue to do that because it's a lot of
talking heads out here and we're one of them. But
we want to be talking about the right stuff. Yeah,
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and the way conversation and all the different things. Me
and you don't always agree. A lot of times we
do agree, but at the end of the agreeing or disagreeing,
we want people to be more knowledgeable to walk away
and say, okay, I get that now. So when you're
in a comment section, you know what you're talking about.
When you at the job, you know what you're talking about.
You're talking to you, to your buddy, you know what
you're talking about. Because we can't have you out here
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sounding like you know what you're talking about but you
really don't.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
If we didn't disagree, we wouldn't have a successful show.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Absolutely, brother, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Man. Hey, thank you Drake.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Good to see you too, better sir, all right,
Whatever the sport Ward Johnes dream hanging out with my
man Andrew Ward. We threw Hall of Famers to bring
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Discuss boxing, sports, life and entertainment from our view.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
How much better Neck and you get Me and Roy
don't always agree.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
The one thing you will get is a Hall of Fame.
What a game.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This past Saturday, we spoke leading up to the fight
about the Virgil Ortiz Ericson Lubin fight. We talked about
all the hardships Lubin has faced, the tough losses and
the biggest moments, and you made a comment, you said,
this could be his third strike if he doesn't rise
in this moment and overcome this challenge, because Ericson Lubin unfortunately,
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at every big moment, he's come up short, and he's
come up short in a big way and been stopped
in all three of those moments. And that third stopage
happened this past Saturday against Ortiz at Dicky's Arena in
Fort Worth, Texas, and you could see Lubin cautious, and
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when you come off a knockdown or a bad previous
fight on his case, you know a career of tough moments.
You're not fully confident all the time. If you can
take the shot, you know, and I know that sparring
big glove sixteen, eighteen fourteen, whatever, how many whatever ouncers
you use gloves and headgear is a lot different than
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aight ouns glove with no headgear. And you can see
in my opinion that Lubin was not really wanting to
get hit early on, and he made a big mistake
in the second round. I think he got touched with
a shot on top of the head that he felt
and he went back to the ropes and he leaned
on the ropes and he leaned on the ropes because
his legs weren't right, and a lot of times fighters
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would do that for support to hold him up. And
it's a sense of stability because I feel like, if
I don't have this support from these ropes, I might
fall down. And Virgil Ortiz did what Virgil Ortiz does.
He kept punching. It's not always pretty, but it's effective,
and it's power behind those shots, and he just started
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landing right hands and he hit Lubin with a right
hand that I think buzzed him. But then he hit
him with another overhand right that froze him and Lubin
was essentially out on his feet and Ortiz maybe landed
one or two other shots, and the referee did a
great job of giving Lubin sometime but not too much
time where he could get hurt.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, Gravity did a great job.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Man shot to Lubin for being the Warrior Day's band man.
But his role to the championship has been very, very difficult.
Brou Like we said before, Charlo the towering Inferno and
now a peaking Virgil Ortiz. I seid that for Heason
when I said that, because when a guy's peeking, he said,
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it's hardest space to be the man.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You know what I'm saying. I mean, this guy gonna
get boots, all boots bumps.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Now we're gonna find out some truths and facts about
boots that I think we already know. But he gonna
make boots that did deep in his bag, you feel me.
And because Virgion is not a joke, he's peaked right now.
He's the best we ever gonna see. Virgilal cheese right now.
When you find that man, it's hard to beat that.
You know what I'm saying, and people that don't understand
boxing or understand the support. It's like the whole six
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week training camp is like Hani, you can tell he
is peaking now, you understand me.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Your whole goal is to go be yourself up to
a peak.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That's why I used to like mess with the roosters
back in the day, because you have to learn how
to make him go to a peak. And I knew
I was good at it because I knew how to
do that with myself.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
You understand me. So you want to bring something to
a peak so they can perform at his best, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And that being said, Virgie is at his peak. It's
gonna be hard for anybody to beat Virtual right now
because he's peaking. You understand me. When you get to
that point, that's the hard pace. But Boots might be
peaking right now too, because Boots sent me looking bad.
Boots for the guy that, like I said, people didn't
give him a lot of credit for because in this
country we don't know him that well. But the guy
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he fought, that guy was pretty good. A lot of
people was avoiding that guy, and Boots took him to
school like it was nothing. So we're gonna find out
what's we form for our friend man Lubin. I feel
really bad for Luping because of how hard of a
road he had to go down to try to become champion.
I felt like they should have gave him something a
little bit easier to get him back in the game first,
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and then they didn't go try to fight somebody like
a Virgil or Tis.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Every time.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I feel like his career he got in his career,
I felt like he got rushed in to almost an
unwinnable situation.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You understand me.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And you don't want to take a guy chances before
the fight starts, but the tying in fronto, that's an
unwinnable situation, you understand me. Charlo was early might have
been unwinnable too at that point in his career. This
fight with Virgil Ortis, that was almost unwinnable because version
of speaking right now, you took a year off. We
can't seen you in a year. How can you come
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off of a year layoff, off of a bad knockoff
stoppage and didn't beat this dude who's peaking right now.
Just didn't make sense to me. Man didn't make sense
to me.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think that all three of those fights he could
have won. I think he had just as much of
a chance as Charlo to win that fight if he
fought the right fight. Now that's tough to say with
that fight because he got caught so early and you
know the fight was over, so it's hard to say
what he would have did and should have did. But
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maybe that fight notwithstanding, I think those other two, even
Sebastian Fundor, I think the problem sometimes a loving is
that he has a lot of tools, but he's not
always grabbing the right tool and the right moment. Like,
we know he's tough, he's checked that box. But sometimes bro,
you being tough in the wrong spot and in the
wrong moment. We know you can bang, but sometimes your
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bank you're going toe to toe at the wrong time
when he has the advantage and you don't, and you're
getting the worst of it. You're staying in there, but
that's not what you should be doing. And then sometimes
maybe you boxing when you should be slipping mid range
and inside. So I think he has had a tough road.
But when you lose the first big moment against Charlo,
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now you're playing catchup. So now he did take fights
in between before he got the Sebastian fundor that's the rebuild.
But you got promoters saying, well, if you want that
kind of money, you're gonna have to fight this kind
of guy. And that's where the struggle comes in at
Not only are you trying to get some get back,
improve to yourself, improved to the world that I can
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fight at this level, but you're not gonna get a
certain bag unless you fight at that level. And it's
the same thing with Virgil Ortiz. Lubin has had fights,
he's had tune ups, he's had Sea level B minus
guys to stay sharp, but them C minus B minus
guys gonna bring C minus B minus bag. Lubin wants
to a level bag, so he's got to fight an
A level fighter, and unfortunately he came up short again
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on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I hear you, but the towering in Fronto is not
the bag I want to go after. I'm sorry, I
I understand, but I got to that bag. When I
have to go after that bag, I would have much
better fault I'm saying I would have much better fault
Zoo at that time than the tower in frontal Zoo
was more reachable Zoo was more your height.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Zuo was a lot more.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I mean, he's a tough fight too, and get it wrong,
but I would have much rather have taken Zoo instead
of the towering Infernto at that point, you know what
I'm saying. So there are other guys I feel like
we could have fought other than than the ones he
fought at the time he fought on. I definitely wouldn't
have taken a peaking Virgil or Chies right now over
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somebody like I would have even said, give me jimil Charlow,
you understand me, somebody I rematched because he come off
a loss.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So I would have preferred something like that, but not
a peaking Virgil or Chies. That's the wrong fight for me,
in my undest opinion, that's the wrong fight at the
wrong to. And I want to ask you, so some
of the stuff you're talking about right now, it makes
sense with with with knowing when the band knowing with
not the bang, But then Vergion tell you kind of
when you should do that kind of stuff and when
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you should not. Wouldn't Vergion kind of give you a
reminders or say, hey, we don't need to paint with
this guy, or hey, we gonna push him back. Didn't Vergion,
didn't Vergion give you those kinds of instructions sometimes absolutely,
So saying that that a lot of what you said
what I heard would sound like it's a trainer's issue
because seeing that the trainer should be telling him, hey,
do this or don't do that. You understand Come, if
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you trust your trainer. Now, if you don't trust your trainer,
of course you're not going to listen. But people like
you me, we listen to people that we hire because
those people you didn't know how to know how we
are better than we know ourselves, and or they know
it's best for us, I should say, So we can't
listen to what we want to do. Sometimes we gotta
listen to the game plan because right now what we
want to do, it ain't time for it, you understand me.
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And we don't know if that's the coach or is
it him, because some guys will listen, some guys won't listen.
So I think that what we don't want to overlook
is the fact that Lubin for all three of his
fights at one fifty four, and they fall three, hella
of opponents at one fifty four, trying to become a
world champion. He gave it us all. He ain't never
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duck and dodge nothing or nobody. By this third time,
it looks like boxing has taken a little bit of
a tote one right. But the difference in him and
Hani is that Haini's weight train is basically what we're saying.
What he's telling us now has been his kipt tonight,
not the fact that he's Yes, that's what is. So
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it's the difference when there's a weight train and when
it's just you've been through enough of them, you know
what I'm saying. Mean, Han, he ain't been through enough
for the man he's saying basically just a weight train
that affected his bunch resistance. Luben, on the other hand,
has been the same weight the whole time. Just a
lot of hard fights. He's been through, you know what
I'm saying. So make sure you guys underst in the day.
Is a difference there. One guy's moved up from wait
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because the weight tram was getting the other guy was
already and other guys to be a little older than hanging.
So he's just kind of he didn't have been through it,
and he'd been through a lot. So we're hoping that
he comes through it okay and uh that he finds
a better way to live. But he been through a
lot and it was all at the same way class
hanging moving up point.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's a bit of different. I want you. I want
you to I want you to understand that.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I feel me because some people look at and saying, well,
wait a minute, he's just y'all saying he did and
he did. No, no, no, it's a little bit different.
One guy been at that week one guy was weight
training himself. So it's little bit different. That's all I
want to make it. I want to say that earlier,
but I want to clear it up before we go,
because what we do here, Andrea, I love a lot
and I seen verge of the weekend his fighter beat
up my fighter this weekend, and what we do, what
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we do is he was like, he's very happy with
what we're doing here, and we try to be informative,
informative to people about boxing things that they don't understand,
they don't get, and that was one of the things
I felt like, we need to make sure we clean
that up because this guy is different to me and
weight training and just having a whole lot of whole fights.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
You understand me. So I want to make sure we
cleared that up.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, Lubin has had you know. I think that was
his third coach as a professional last night. K Caroma
previously was with Kevin Cunningham and I don't know who
his original coach was as a professional. But it's not
just as easy as giving instructions, you know this Roy,
It's about the fundamentals, like like, what have you built
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when you're not in front of the lights? Do you listen?
When have you been listening throughout the years. Because we
think because it's a big moment and my coach is
given me big instructions that sound good, that I should
just take it and run with it. But if you
don't take that and run with it on a day
to day basis, if you don't have a good base,
a good foundation with how you train, the things you
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work on, and your relationship with your coach, you're not
gonna do it in that big moment. You're gonna trust
yourselves over the over the eyes that you got outside
the ring. So and I don't know enough about Lubin
to say what it was in terms of the coaching situation.
But if you don't have good fundamentals, not X and
O jab right hand. I'm saying fundamentals as an athlete.
If you don't work on certain things, listen to your coach.
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I got you coached, do it execute it is that
if that's not a rhythm for you, if that's not
something you do or haven't done throughout the course of
your career, you will not do it in the big moments.
It sounds good, you should have, you would, It's not
gonna work. It's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And that's all I'm saying. I'm thinking that. I'm thinking
that he didn't have that coninuity with a coach.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, it's hard, juche with the last coach because he
just started working with him.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's hard with all them.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Father, But I'm just saying, until you develop that Bunny
and Clyd type thing with your coach, it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It's gonna be very difficult.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Where do you think Lubin goes from here? I know
that Roy, you've had a long career and we talk
about it all the time, that you got a different
type of stubbornness about you, but not everybody got that
kind of stubbornness about them. What would you recommend Lubin
do after Saturday Night's performance.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I don't really want to see him fight no more
because I don't feel like it's good for his body anymore.
I don't like to see a guy slumped off on
the ropes against the ropes like that. So I really
rather see him stop and maybe go back to giving
what he's learned in sport back to somebody else now,
because I don't want to see him get injured, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So he's learned a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
He was an awesome box in his day, has a
lot of talent, can do a lot of things, and
I think he can give that to some younger kids
coming up now. And also he'll be able to teach
him how to avoid the things that may have caused
him to sit back. You understand me, how to not
go too fast, maybe how to try to be a
continuity with a coach so that you can proceed and
go further. Then you can trust this guy if you
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can't see, and this guy to tell you, hey, just
keep the right hand up and make sure you keep
every time he finished throw the left foot. You trust
him enough to do that, then you know you understand me.
So things like that that we're talking about now, these
are things that Luba's gonna be able to take and
go give to another younger fighter coming up.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I agree. You know, it's tough to lose. On that note,
It's tough. It's tough. And some people say, oh, you
don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I do know.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I do know because I've lost, you know, as an amateur.
I haven't lost as a pro. But you don't have
to lose to I've had bad days, I've had bad performances,
and I've seen, you know, the look on my team's face.
I've seen how the media is shifted. Oh you got dropped,
Oh this happened. You know you lost this fight? How'd
you win? You I've dealt with things that is not
the same as Lubin, but I've had dark days in
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this sport, and you feel for Lubin. I've known Lubin
for a long time, not really personally but just from
a distance. But I think one of the smartest things
he can do is have an honest conversation with himself.
And I just don't think the punch resistance is there
at this point. The first big shot that that he
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got hit with Saturday night, you can see his body
kind of like freeze up and just not respond. Well. Now,
if he took that shot and came back and dished
out just as much or more than he got than
you say, Okay, that's we're having a different conversation right now.
I care for lubn Man and respectfully, man, I think
that to your point, he can make it. He can
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have an impact somewhere else. He's from the Orlando area
and he's also got ties in the game. I think
he can have an impact a different type of way,
and he can share the things he did great, the
things that work, but also you know, the things that
didn't work. He can share those experiences with the next
generation amateurs and pros and and and still be just
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you know, just relevant in the game, you know, as
best he can. So, man, I wish him well, brother,
you got my respect. This is a very very difficult game.
I know we act like this is you know, a
scripted event, like oh, you know, just do that. It's
not easy, but anything can happen. Uh, most of the
time that thing does happen. And I appreciate you Lubin
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for not giving up when you could have at certain
points in your career, not throwing into town and still
believing in yourself because I looked at the build up
before the fire, and he still had the confidence. He
still had that swag about him as if he was
a champion, as if he had not taken them losses.
So I appreciate you, Bro for maintaining that and fighting
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to keep that throughout the course of your career. Bro,
I think your better days are in another place. You
can still be a part of the sport, but personally,
I don't want to see lupin fight anymore. Well, it
was another fighter in the arena in the Dickeys Arena
that night, and it was Jeron Boots Ennis. He was
ringside and he kept hitting his hitting his hand like this, saying,
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at this time, it's time he got in the ring,
while Virgil Ortiz is doing his post fight interview and
they went back and forth. And I don't know. Normally,
when you see something like that, you walk away from
the TV or wherever you're watch in a fight and
you have a lot of confidence that that's gonna be
the next fight based on some of the things that
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were said. They're arguing about who started it and whose
father did what. And then I heard Boosts, you know,
basically hypothetically say to Eddie Hearn, where's the paperwork? In
other words, where's the contract, Let's sign the contract. So
I don't know if he was just if that's a
hypothetical he's just saying that, or the contract really hasn't
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been signed by Roy. I don't know if that fight
is gonna be next because after the fight, I hear
you and I see you, but I'm looking I'm listening
to Virgil Ortiz postfight press conference. He called out Ero
It said it was a dream fight. He said, I
don't care what none of y'all say. I want to
fight him, and he also called out Terrence Crawford to
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mention that he wanted to fight Terrence Crawford. Y are
we getting this fight with Jeran Boots in his next man?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Let me just say it like this.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I don't see nowhere in the world that you go
off and you actually told Boots to come up here.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You called Boots up there, So all.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
That you're talking to post fight prins conference, don't about
to hear that you told the nation when they can
see it, because see a lot of people couldn't see
the post fight Prins conference, but people saw the interview
right after the fight. You told us that the man
already told you, Hey, it's time. You told us that's
what was next. If you avoid that and don't do that,
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you're gonna lose a lot of respect from a lot
of people, and I might be one of them, because Virgil,
you better believe it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You act like you was up for the challenge.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Everybody knows that it's like Boots said, it's time for him.
Everybody wants to see Boots against her real opponent. Virgil,
you're peaked right now. You're the the best option to
make us uh, to let us figure out all the
answers that we want to know about Boots in this
and you're gonna go say bout Earl Spence and somebody else.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
We don't want to hear that. I definite don't want
to hear that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
You told us on national TV after the fight that
you wanted to do exactly what that man said. That
man told you, Well, that's what I want to see.
I don't want to see you do nothing else.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You can come back and go to Earl later. You
can come back and go to a corfor later, if
corfor chooses to do that. But what I want to
see right now is the two best dream of the
wakes on the horizon fight. It's two undefeated guys who
are equal. Don't run from that smoke, bro, don't run
from that smoke. Let's make that happen.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, look, maybe maybe the maybe the Crawford conversation and
the expense conversation. Maybe maybe just negotiate. Maybe just trying
to send a message that I got some options, so
don't I hope it don't come saying don't come saying
you want the Lion share this money when we really
start negotiating. Maybe that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I hope that's Maybe that's a tactic. I hope that is.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But see, my other problem is when Turk get involved,
you don't need all that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You don't need all that Turk bring.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
A perk our pocket, but that you ain't gonta ask
all that he gonna make you and he gets his ship,
so we won't need all That's that's the thing Turk
has been able to do. This game is fixed that part,
so that part you can't do that no more.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's out back and forth about no money. Here's the number,
no more, here's the number.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
He did what he did what I love to say,
he eliminated all excuses. You want the fighter, You don't
you understand me, So don't think you gonna go down
and say, oh, well no, no, no, no, no, no,
Turk bring the purse. Ain't no way to say no.
You just can't say no. It used to be just
saying no when Turk came. Is that now I said,
you can't say no?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, he's proven that exactly. He's proven that.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I saw Erol Spence at the fight on Saturday. Dallas
Native fort Worth is right there next to Dallas, and man,
it made me feel good because, you know, Aerol has
been to himself, rebuilding, recovering, spending time with his family,
all the things that you would expect, you know, a
(20:51):
man like that to do. You know, Earl has been
very very open about being a family man. His kids
come to camp, he talks about his kids all the time,
and it was good to see him looking good, shining,
just you know, smiling and being around the fight game.
I missed Aero Spence around the fight game and it
(21:12):
looked like to me that the fans missed Aero Spence,
and I think he deserves that because people want to
compare the UFC to boxing, and it's always a conversation
about what's better, you know, just all the different stuff,
what sport is more popular. But one thing you cannot
take from the fans of the UFC that when lose
(21:35):
or draw, you will be respected. We're gonna honor you
and we're gonna show you love. We don't do that
in boxing. You lose one time, I told you what nothing.
I told you. He ain't never fought nobody, and as
soon as he fought that guy, that was gonna happen.
And we got to change that because Aero Spence is
(21:55):
a guy that has always fought the best competition. He's
always look for the best challenges. He was a guy
that said and coined the phrase, I don't do tune ups.
I respect it. I believe in tuneups. Give me my
gimme fight and then I'll go fight him. That ain't
Aero Spence. Aero Spencer's had detached Redina's horrific car car
(22:17):
accident that almost took his life and he comes right
back and fights a number one contender, a top contender,
or another champion. So for me, it was it was
great seeing him in the element again because for athletes
and fighters, when you really believe that you're gonna beat
(22:39):
a guy like he believed he was gonna beat Terrence,
and it ends the way that it ends, that's gonna
shake you up. You gotta you gotta answer a lot
of questions to yourself, not media, not fans, not even
your family, to yourself, what happened? How did this happen?
I never I didn't see this coming. And sometimes Roy,
you gotta get away to re field. Internally, you got
(23:01):
to make the decision. Do I even like the sport?
Like I said earlier, do I even want to be
around these people? Is this something I still want to do?
And I've seen early in the gym and I saw
him amongst the people, Saturday man, and it just made
me feel good. Bro for him to get that love
that he was supposed to get and to see Aero
Spence back around the fight game.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And he deserved all the love that he got because
he truly put Dallas back on the map in boxing.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You understand me.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
He put Dallas back on the map, so he deserved
everything he got. My daughter cried when he lost because
she was such a fan of him and knowing what
he had done for Dallas, she was deeply hurt when
he lost that fight.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
So it's like a lot of people do really love Earl.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Spence because he's a downright, down to earth, very good guy,
you know. And I mean I was supposed to go
work with him something tomorrow. As a matter of fact,
I'm going to Dallas tomorrow to work with him a
little bit and I'll see where he at, see where
we can hear him get back to because I do
want to see him get back on the horse and
ride again. Those fans at that fight that we can
they want to see him get back on the horse
and ride again. So if anything we can do to
(24:02):
help him, ou I'm gonna go see what I can
do and to help get him back on the horse.
And like I said, I don't have to be his trainer.
I just want to help him get going and see
what he can do. If he likes it cool, just
get back up. Sometimes we all go through these things,
But the main thing is can you get up from it.
You're not judged by how you go down, it's how
you get up. So all of us want to see
him get up. And if he just had one more fight,
(24:24):
just for the fun of the self, cheme go out
on my shield. I'm gonna go out right. I'm cool
with that too, But I am sore difficult. I'm gonna
go help him out tomorrow, start working with him. I'm
gonna try to get him a couple days of work,
see where he at and help him, try to make
a good, smart decision. And if he got it, he
gonna go with it. I'm sure he wouldn't come to
the arena if he wasn't thinking about it. So he
was lit up in that arena. He loved that fan
(24:46):
that fan support. You could tell he was in his
elements and that made me happy to anything. Because he
was glowing in that element. That means he still got
it and he wants to be in the element again,
and or he knows that too.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Said his name, and that show you. That shows you
the impact that Errol had throughout the game. That shows
you the stamp that he's put on the game and
the star power, that star power that he's had he's
been away from the game for for well over a year,
year and a half. I think it is and a
fighter who is peaking, a fighter who is on the
(25:21):
verge of, you know, fighting the biggest fight of his career.
And I'm talking about Virgil Ortiz. He's thinking about Aerol
Spence just the building.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Some say, says some he always wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But I'm saying he mentioned that man because of the
impact that Errol has had. So man, salute to the
brother Erol Spence. Man, We're pulling for you. I don't
care if you ever fight again. I know you winning
in life. You have a beautiful family.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I know he got some laying out there in Dallas
and he's just enjoying himself. Man, y'all brothers, that guy
laying y'all just you ain't saying y'all happy all the time.
But man, y'all move a little bit different. It's something
almost like I can work in the madness, but but
I got my safe haven. I got I got my
spot that I can go back to.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
So here's the thing. Here's the thing, Tray.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
It's like even with Earl, when you first come off
of a loss and you come back out, Like you said,
the thing we need to get is that in the UFC,
they love their guys regardless and boxing some love or
some hate on you, you understand mean, I knew he wouldn't.
I know he wanted to, And no matter what the
reason may be, they don't look at all that they
just was greating to hate on you anyway. So to
come out and see that you still have that kind
(26:30):
of love makes you really happy and makes you feel
power for what you stoo up for what you did.
But at the same time, if you come out and
you realize you don't have a love, when you get
back to your land and these chickens and these dogs
and these cows and these horses and these goats see you,
you ain't never lost to them. They still love you
like you number one. You und me, and you're gonna
(26:53):
always be thember one to them, you understand mean. So
it's like having that helps you keep a balance in
life and makes you look get things from the way
God would see things. Hey son, you went not deal
what I gave you the talent to go out and do.
I'm very happy with that. You ain't supposed to with
them all. You ain't God, but you deal what you're
supposed to do. I'm cool with that, so let's go.
You all good.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
That's how those animals in that farm make you feel.
You understand me.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So that's why people with that kind of stuff seem
to be able to go get over it quicker because
we have a peace and a form of tranquility that
we get from that farm. Understand those animals. They give
you a different kind of love, you know. They give
you everlasting love forgiving love. You understand me. They don't
care what happened. They just want you back.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Check this out. I'm I got a ranch two hours
from where I live my primary house, So I'm getting
to go up to my ranch today so I can
get some of that love. I want to feel some
of that love us to that now. I love it, man,
and I think it needs to be said, and we
will continue to do that because it's a lot of
talking heads out here and we're one of them. But
we want to be talking about the right stuff. Yeah,
(28:00):
and the way conversation and all the different things. Me
and you don't always agree. A lot of times we
do agree, but at the end of the agreeing or disagreeing,
we want people to be more knowledgeable to walk away
and say, okay, I get that now. So when you're
in a comment section, you know what you're talking about.
When you at the job, you know what you're talking about.
You're talking to you, to your buddy, you know what
you're talking about. Because we can't have you out here
(28:21):
sounding like you know what you're talking about but you
really don't.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
If we didn't disagree, we wouldn't have a successful show.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Absolutely, brother, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Man. Hey, thank you Drake.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Good to see you too, better sir, all right,
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