Terence Crawford EXCLUSIVE: Upsetting Canelo, The Round I Knew I Won & What’s Next

Terence “Bud” Crawford breaks down shocking the world against Canelo, the plan behind it, and the smile that said it all. He takes us inside the ring-walk, the Turki negotiations, and why the blueprint to beat Canelo was always there. He also opens up about faith, recovery at 37, and the exact round he took control.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to the Art Award today. I got my
brother in the building. I'm excited about this interview. This
is the hottest interview in boxing right now. He had
three times undisputed champion, undisputed at one hundred and forty pounds,
undisputed at one hundred and forty seven pounds, and he
just became the super middleweight undisputed champion of the world

(00:24):
with his win against Canelo Alvarez at Allegiance Stadium with
over seventy thousand fans. Forty one million people watched it
live on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I want to welcome to the show today.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Cut that out.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
He was struggling there on that shold.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I want to welcome to the show today, my brother,
Terrence Budd Crawford, big Dog.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I appreciate the time. You know, you start winning them
in big, big fights.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
The media got to come to you, so we we
had to come to you at Omaha and we went
or North Omaha.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
To be exact man.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
So we appreci shit you're taking the time. Then congrats
on another historic victory against you know, another great fighter
in Canelo Alvarez. He has been you know the cash Kyle,
the face of boxing or one of the faces for
a very very long time, and you jump two weight
classes to challenge him, And in my book, you were
already one of the greats. You're already a first ballot,

(01:21):
But with a victory like that and the way you
did it, it takes the go You take the go
conversation to another level. So have you had time to
process it and reflect on what you just did two
weeks ago?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
To be honest, I've been getting that same question from
a lot of people, and a lot of people ask
me how I feel, you know, and you know what
it's like, And I tell him, like, when it's meant
to be, you don't feel no different, Like, honestly, I
don't feel no type of way because I already knew

(01:54):
what I was capable of, already knew what I was
going to do once I stepped in the ring, you know,
which was win, like I've been saying, And it wasn't
no surprise to me. It was a surprise to everybody else,
just like the Aero Spence fight, you know, so just
like Sean Porter fight, just like a Mirakan. Every time
that they so called say this is a step up

(02:18):
fight or this is going to be a tough fight
and the fashion that I win in is a surprise
to them because they don't believe. So I just made
a believer out of all the non believers.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I know you expected to win, but to believe you
can do it and to do it, it's two different things.
So what I'm asking you is like, have you enjoyed
the victory? Like have you had a chance to like say, man,
we really did that. Oh of course, of course. I
just I sat down, you know, and after each one
of my fights.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I just take a deep breath and I'd be like, oh,
it's over with, you know, because the stress is off
my back, the you know, the the intensity, just everything
that's around the championship fight. It's stressful. You know. We
put a lot of mental for the two into you
know what I mean, what we're going to do when

(03:11):
we go in that ring and how we're going to
do it, and in training making sure that everything is
in line of what we're trying to accomplish. And when
it's all said and done, when it's over with, you know,
you just like I did that, got that off my back, Yeah,
I did that.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
So before we get into the fight, man, you know,
I appreciate the fits and the shoes and stuff like
that that a fighter has. So I got to do
a little heat check for you with your outfit going
into the ring. That's probably the rawest, dopest fit out
and seeing you with the color way everything, and I
know Steven had a lot to do with that.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
How did that? How did that come about? Like his
idea to do that? Well, I was sitting there and
I was just like, what we're gonna do for this fight? Yeah,
you know in camp, but before this is this is
before you know, before we went to pre camp, and
I was just like, man, what we're gonna do? He
was like, don't worry about it. I'm gonna think of
something dope. So then he just hit me like, bro,

(04:06):
I got this dope I did, And I'm like, man,
do what you do? You know what I mean? You're
like all right? So then it gets to the play.
I'm like, man, what you thinking? Man? And then he
was like you remember the movie Desperado? And I was
like that's what I'm like. Yeah, I'm like, do with
the suitcase with all the guns and stuff? You know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, I used to watch that when I was He
was like, that's what we're gonna do, and I was like,
that's dope. He was like, because everybody always coming out
with the Sunbrero, you know, the Mexican colors and all that.
He was like, man, we're not doing that. We're gonna
do something totally different. And then I was like okay,
and I was like, I just want to see how
you're gonna put your touch on it, because you know

(04:49):
that's one touch and then you know what I mean,
you gonna do a little little twist with it. It
was like yeah. So talking with my boy Rissindo, you know,
I asked him did he know the song? And he
started singing it and I was like, you're gonna walk
me out? And he was looking like, man, come on, man,

(05:11):
don't be saying that. And I'm like, man, I want
you to walk me out. I'm dead serious. And he
was just like for real and I'm like, yeah, I
want you to walk me out, dude. And then he
was like, man, that got to be so big for me.
He was like, man, I gotta go practice. It was like, man,
I got the band. Yeah, So like he was on
to it. And then so he put his little input

(05:34):
in on what to put on the outfit, you know,
really he had to say to Yeah. So he was
just basically like, Okay, well, you know this is popular
in the Mexican culture. You know this is you gotta
have this on there on the trunks because this stands
for this when you're looking at the movie. The outfit

(05:56):
in the in the chains and certain things that was
on his his attire and his boots, you know them
meant something. So he was like, you gotta have that.
The Mexicans don't know exactly what that means. He was like,
y'all probably don't know what it means, but they do. So,
you know, he had a little input. Then Off White

(06:16):
they came in put a little about the Off White collab. Yeah,
so Off White came in with with everlash. They put
a little they twisted it, put a little their colors
in it, and changed a little bit of you know
what I mean, Like I had guns on my you
know what I mean, my belt line, you know what

(06:37):
i mean. They took them off. But all in all,
the outfit was was smooth, It was cool, you know
what I mean. I'm mad that they didn't get to
see the side of the case because the side of
the case got the guns painted on it, you know,
so there was an accident or they didn't want you
to they show it. No, they just didn't show it
because I was coming out. They didn't get to see

(06:58):
the side. I should have been the one, you know
what I mean to turn it to the side like yeah,
the show because in the movie, the guitar case is
full of weapons, you know what I mean. And I
felt like it was a message that I was the
weapon that night, you know, So that was all I was.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I was like, well, how does dude get like a
mariachi band or any type of band to go against
Canelo on a big fight like this.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
But that was somebody who came up with.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Ye And that's why you know, I paid homage, you know,
in a press conference to the Mexican fans, you know,
before the fight, and you know, before fight weekend, you know,
when I was like, I love Mexico too, because I
have a lot of Mexican supporters, always had, you know,

(07:51):
I've been locked in with the Mexican culture for a
long time, you know, and for people to think that
all the Mexicans was going for Canelo was just crazy,
you know, just like all the African American culture wasn't
going for me, you know, so it was it was
cool to have the band, you know, switch it up

(08:14):
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
It was dope.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Bro, That's probably one of the cleanest walkouts that I seen.
It wasn't extra, it was like just enough. But you
felt it though, like the song, the type of song
and the.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Beat, the way it was.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
It just like you was like, Bro, this dude like
he really he really come in to fight and he
mean what he's saying. And you could tell y'all had
a lot of thought into into the interest. But then
even like you said, with the fit, like y'all had
the Mexican colors, but it was black, green and red.
When I seen you walk out, bro, like when I

(08:46):
seen you walk out a lot of times that moment especially,
that's the biggest crowd you've ever been in front of,
seventy plus thousand heights. So you get talk about it,
you can rehearse it in your head. You not gonna
know how you're gonna respond until you step out there.
But when I seen you step out there, you looked
up like this, and you start smiling, you start shaking
your head, and to me, I was a sign that nah,

(09:06):
I'm embracing this moment, all these nerves, everything, I'm feeling
like I'm ready. How was you feeling when you looked
up and seeing them seventy thousand people?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know? The craziest part I say. I went to
wrestle media and it was at a Legion stadium, and
when I walked out and like all the people, it
was like Terrence, Terres, Terrence, that's Terrence Crawford. And I'm
looking at all the crowd, I'm like, dang, in September,
this is gonna be me. And I was nervous, and

(09:35):
I was like, dang, man, there's a lot of people
in here, you know what I mean. But fight weekend,
I wasn't nervous at the hall the whole week, the
whole week. And it's crazy because I don't never get
nervous until the night before the fight in the dressing room.
But this whole time, it's like I was emotional, you know,

(10:00):
in the dressing room, you know, I was just emotional,
and I was just like, man, you finally hear like
you about to make history. I just kept saying, you
about to make history. And it took all these years
and all this things that you had to overcome to
get to this one moment. So when I came out,
I never smiled or laughed when I'm walking to the ring,

(10:23):
you know, But I was just like, I'm about to
shock the world, you know. I just felt it, you know.
And when I got in there, you know, I just
was so loose, Like I never take a stroll around
the ring. If you watch any one of my fights,
anyone of the forty two fights, I come in the ring,
I go to my corner. I didn't hit my little

(10:47):
circle around the ring. Everything. I'm feeling good. I'm feeling great.
I'm like, you know, they just don't know. You know.
I had a fast walk to the ring.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
He did.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
He had a slope to the ring, you know. And
I look at things like that. I'm like, oh, okay,
he just taking his time, taking his time. I'm ready
to go. That's just how that night was.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
It had to be weird though, walking first, you ain't
walk first and all first before.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
But you ain't did it in a long time.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I mean, when you go up in different weight classes,
you gotta do it, but you ain't. You know, obviously
you haven't lost, you haven't, but You've went up in
different weight classes, so now you challenging again. But do
that feel weird because most of the time you walking second.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
And don't It don't feel weird to me because at
the same time, the bell gonna ring and we're gonna
have to fight, even at the end of the day,
you know, So it don't matter if I'm you know,
the first to be announced or he the first to
be announced. You gotta fight at the end of the day.
You gotta fight.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, Take take me back to before you made the
decision to face Canelo, Haney conversation. So if I'm not mistaken,
Illo Spence two was still obviously contractually y'all had obligation.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
You didn't know he was before that, even before hold On,
before we.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Even fought men Aero Spencer's hold on bro for real,
I thought this was after No, this is before Crawford
Spence one. He said, he said, Man, don't even chase
stop chasing Aerol Spence. He was like, man, the guy
that focusing on chases Canelo. Really He's like, man, you
can beat them. He was like, man, Spence, Canelo, Canelo,

(12:34):
and like every time I see him, he'd be like
Canelo Canelo, and I started laughing, you know what I mean,
Because at first I'm like, man, I do big one.
And then I started looking at him. I'm like, then
we got a picture together years back when I was
at one thirty five, you know what I mean. I'm like,
all right, we're just saying, how you saying around the

(12:55):
same size? Like he a little thinker. Okay, I'm starting
to look into it now because he already planning at
the seed. But now I'm like looking into it, like,
let me see what Bill about? Bill look, So I'm oh, okay,
this is what he's talking about because he's like, man,
he's not a big dude. He just kept saying he's
not a big dude and you could beat him. And

(13:17):
then when I looked into it, I'm like, damn Bill, right,
you know what I mean. So then it was just like, okay,
cool got the Spence fight. After the Spence fight, I'm like,
I want to fight Carnelo, you know what I mean.
Spence was basically contracted to fight Canelo if he would

(13:38):
have beat me at one sixty four, you know, and
I was just like, damn, what since I be him,
I should get the opportunity. You know what I mean,
So it ain't going nowhere and and things like that.
So I'm like, all right, well, I'm I'm done with

(14:00):
one forty seven. I ain't going back. I'm like, all right,
I want to fight Fundor, you know, because I want
I'm WBO. I can fight anyone in the champions He
was WBC and WBO, So I'm like, I want to
fight fun Doors. You know what I mean. He got

(14:21):
two belts. I want to become undisputed at one fifty four.
That was my train of thow. But when he said
he didn't he didn't want to fight me because I
wasn't basically big enough. I looked at him like, huh,
I don't sail. That's that's what his handlers were saying,
Oh I don't sail, and they want to fight Errol

(14:43):
Spence because he's a bigger You knew what that was though. Yeah,
it's cool, it's cool. I'm not tripping on that because
now they now they begging for a fight. Now they
now they want to fight me. Now I don't sail,
So there's no need for you to even my name
no more. Don't say Terrence Crawford. You know, all these
guys that that see Now they say, oh, he's the ticket, win,

(15:06):
lose a draw, He's the ticket. I fight Terrence Crawford.
Come on, man, Boots had a chance to fight me.
Virgil Ortisse had an opportunity to fighting, you know. But
now and everybody all, I fight Terrence or I'm this.
I'm like, okay, cool. When y'all had y'all opportunity, you know, y'all,

(15:27):
y'all went elsewhere. But now that y'all see I'm the ticket, now,
y'all like, oh yeah, we want to fight Terrence Crawford.
We want Terrence Crawford. That's the narrative. Now we want
to fight Terrence Crawford.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
The front door thing you see, you've seen that play
coming a mile away. Like as soon as that fight
was even talked about, I said, there's gonna be a
phone call made and he can have walked that back.
Whether he wanted to fight or not, he wasn't gonna
be allowed to And you know that, you know, Allen
made that call was like, nah, we ain't.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
We ain't going that way, you know. So.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
But the problem with that is is that's you thinking
about the first move. You're not thinking two three steps
up head because now you're in the position you in
and he could have fault you, right, so you know
it's his loss, man. But real quick back to the
Bill anything, bro. Like it's funny with Bill, Like Bill
a good matchmaker. You know, if you can't give him

(16:16):
credit for nothing else, you got to give him credit
for how he moved his son, you know, and seeing
guys and knowing when to fight him and whatnot. But
like it's funny because like I had been talking about
fighting Joshua before, but he's the one that put the
seed back in my mind. Like three four weeks ago,
they was in a bay and he didn't say you
should fight him, but we was just talking about it and

(16:38):
he said, man, Joshua, and I'm like, same thing you did.
I'm like, you know what I said, I'll take that
fight right now. And he the same one that did that, bro.
So it's crazy when I heard that because I didn't
know that initially, and I thought that came after Spence one.
So Bill cole with that, man, How did the team

(16:58):
respond though? When you first start floating Canelo.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Shit, everybody was just like, whatever I want to do, really,
no hesitation, whatever I want to do, you know. I
remember talking to Banar, you know, and this was when
we was in talks before it got finalized, and he
was just like, man, but Canelo cold, man, but you

(17:26):
go Canelo up like you know what I mean, like
just like yeah, like just going on, like just talking.
You know, he's respected, you know, he's was definitely respected.
So we were talking about it, you know. But I
remember it was like I woke up and it was

(17:46):
like three o'clock in the morning. I called him, you know,
and he was like, man, everything all right, Bud. I said,
I'm gonna beat him. I woke up out my sleep
and I called Baranar and I said, I'm gonna beat him.
He was like, I know you is you know. I
was like, we're gonna fight and I'm gonna beat him. Watch.
I said, watch. This is way before we either signed

(18:07):
the contract to fight each other.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I was.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
I woke up out of my sleep. I said, I
know one person going to answer the phone, and that's
but no, let me call him. And I was just like, man,
I'm gonna beat that. Yeah, I've been felt it, you know.
Once I start locking in on him, That's why I said,
I'm hunting you. I want everything you got and I'm
gonna get it, you know what I mean, already set

(18:30):
my sights on him. So it wasn't nothing that he
can do. If he would that the only thing that
he could do in that moment was not fighting and
use the I wouldn't get nothing out of win, lose,
or draw out of fighting. Terrence Crawford, that was the
only thing he can do is not fighting.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
I mean, that's what he started to say.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
I understand, but I'm just saying that's the only thing
that he could do because taking the fight was, you
know what I mean, all in my favor. From day one.
I knew I was gonna beat them because when I
look at the styles and I look at the styles
that gave him problems, the styles that he lost to

(19:09):
you know, I have all them in song. So the
blueprint was already out how to beat Canelo Outarez. The
blueprint never been out how to be Terrence Croft saying
that you so I knew I had a good chance
to win him.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
And you got and you and you you fighting both
ways though I feel like that wasn't talked about enough
going into this fight. Like somebody that fights you, they
got to prepare for two people. It's already enough trying
to prepare for one style, right handed, left handed, But
I got to have sparring partners, good ones because you
fight equally well.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
From both sides. So that wasn't talked about enough.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
And I know you could tell some of the dudes
he brought in camp that he was thinking about that.
But that's a hard camp to prepare for. And you
still don't know up until the first bell what stance
you're gonna be fighting in, and then they don't know
if you're gonna switch at any point in time. That's
a lot to play on a person's mind, plus executing
the game playing while punch is coming at him.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Turkey didn't want this fight.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
What was that conversation like with him when you went
to him and said this is the fight I want.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Because Turkey he didn't want to fight at first because
he was just like the size difference, you know, same
thing like everybody else, size difference. He like, uh, you
can fight somebody else in a smaller weight class and
it would be you know what I mean, safe for you.
I don't think you should move up two weight classes
and fight. It's crazy on paper, you know, And I'm like,

(20:35):
that's what I want. I don't want nobody else. That's
what I want. I said, who else is there to fight?
You know who? I said, Boots, that does nothing for
my career, Ragil, that does nothing for my career. I said,
look at Mazamov. He was the number one one fifty
four pounder in the division. I went up and for him,

(20:56):
and everybody, Oh he fought this guy. Yes, he was
the number one champion, number one guy in the division.
That's that's why I thought that was avoided by a
lot of people. Trust style, That's why I thought. You know,
so he was just like, ah, we can fight somebody else.
I know, that's what I want. And he's like, Okay,

(21:19):
that's who you want. Then that's that's who I'm gonna
go for all. That's how I'm gonna see, you know
what I mean, if we can get it done. So
a lot of people looking at Canel are like, oh man,
Turkey had to pay him all this crazy amount of
money for him to fight Crawford and this and that.
He got a three fight deal plus one. You know, Turkey,

(21:41):
Turkey did pay him a lot of money, you know
what I mean. But in that in that option, he
had to fight Terrence Crawford. You know, so everything worked out,
you know what I mean, for the best. Can you
talk about that though?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Can you talk about your negotiations to make this fight,
Like I ain't saying numbers, I'm saying just the process
to like get it done. When you was like, all right,
my side is done. Negotiating my side, it was tough.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
It was tough because I remember, you know, they all
brought me in and it was crazy. It was like
you by yourself, Who was you at? What country was
I think we was.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I think had that big event for Core fight.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
And I think it was in Saudi, so they they
brought me in there. Then we went to the little
background and were there for like nine hours, going back
and forth. You know, they not budgeting. I'm not budgeting.
I'm in that mug like this, I'm like, by yourself,
by myself, and they like they calling Turkey, uh he's not.

(22:51):
They talking in their language and takes in and we're
going back and forth and yeah, I'm like, man, I
just want to talk to Turkey. They was like, you
can't talk to Turkey because he's your friend. So they're
trying to.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Take Turkey from the friendship, yes because get in yes.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
So so they basically was like, hey, we gotta get
the deal done, you know what I mean, Like you
can you can see Turkey when you get the deal done,
like listen talking about making you know.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Did you have a.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Number though, Yeah, but you kind of had a number,
like I want to be in this range.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I had a number. And it was just like they're like, man, listen,
we're gonna have to talk. So we all in that
motherfucker like you know what I mean, nine hours I'm
telling you straight straight, that's crazy. They they tired, sleepy, irritable,

(23:47):
like you can tell everybody frustrated. But there was one
time it was like at a moment, but we're just
sitting in that mug like this right, just trying to
figure it out. Everybody just quiet, and I'm like, all right,
but man, I feel like y'all trying to jump me
because y'all keep bringing people in to try to negotiate,
and I'm like, that's not you know what I mean.

(24:10):
So we finally came to terms, and did you get
the terms that day or you got close that day?
Everything happened that day. There ain't nothing ain't nothing. No,
it's you, not not your lawyer, not this guy, not
this guy, it's you. You know what I mean. We're
talking to you, so you're gonna have to figure it out,

(24:31):
you know what I mean. And we can figure the
contract stuff later, but far as you know the number,
this is gonna be a number that you gonna you
figure out. So we're going back and forth and we're
figuring it out, and then we came to an agreement.
And I'm like, man, it wasn't an agreement that they wanted.

(24:52):
It was an agreement that I wanted. So it's kind
of like in the middle. So it was just like,
let's roll with it. Then once we, you know what
I mean, agree to it, and everybody happy that we
out this locked up, you know what I mean? And yeah, man, we.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
They say that's a that's a sign of a good negotiation,
though with both sides leave not fully satisfied, like I
really wanted this, but I take that and they really
wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
This, but we can agree to that. Did you talk
to Turkey after? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
What did he say?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Nothing? He just was telling me, why didn't you agreed
to the deal? I said, Man, why I couldn't talk
to you from the jum What did he say? He
said that he just was like, you know what I mean,
his like I'm his favorite fighter, and you know he
wanted to take the friendship out of business like the

(25:46):
heart Like basically, you know what I mean, I can't.
I can't do business with you like I do with
everybody else because you know, we're friends. So this is
why I have a team, you know, to keep my
motions away from business. You know what I mean. I
respect it. I'm just like, yeah, I'm like, man, I
respect all that, you know what I mean, because you

(26:08):
know there's been times that you know, I didn't did
the same like hey, things like that, you know when
we're friends, Like I'm gonna give in to my my brother,
you know what I mean. I'm gonna give my brother
what he wanted if I got it. So you know,
when we're doing real business, we gotta gotta take that
out of the equation, you know and talk to lawyers
or something like that. Man, leave me out of it.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Man, Bro, look how God worked though.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Bro, Like.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Here like you battling doing what you're doing, and you've
been making your money, You've.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Been Negotia ain't doing your thing.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
And we're gonna talk about that because you put a
number out there, bro, and people really think you made
that number. And I ain't asking for you to say
what number you made. I'm saying you got people are here,
they just made finally made this. I'm like, Bro, this
is y'all tripping. But but look how God worked though.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Bro. You battling outside the ring.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
You dealing with the stuff that fighters got to deal with,
especially when you stand on something. If you just say yes, man,
and you gonna do whatever the suit or your promoter
tell you to do, you rightly not gonna have no
problems outside the ring. But if you somebody that stand
on business, you got a vision for your life and
your career and you're gonna make sure it goes in
that direction. You're gonna have some stuff that come up.
But you get to do way across the world.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
And you his favorite.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Fighter, and he know everything about me, He know everything
about you, and his main goal is to get you
the big fight.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yes, but that's crazy to me. When did you first
meet him or get get work winded him? Man?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I been I got wind of him, you know, years
years ago. You know there was actually you know, somebody
else in his position. You know that I was his
favorite fighter, you know, and he wanted to do business

(27:51):
with me. But you know, he wasn't on the level
of Turkey. They they like, man, he nothing. So when
Turkey he came in to position, you know, and I
met Turkey, you know what I mean, it was just different,
Like he wanted he wanted the best for me because

(28:11):
he's seeing how you know, I was getting black balled.
He seeing how the system was you know, doing me.
He seeing how you know, the promoters was having this
agenda to assassinate my character. And you know it wasn't
just top rank, you know, it was you know, other
promoters like, oh, he don't sell. But when you look

(28:33):
at every arena that I didn't fought in, I didn't
packed it. It didn't matter where it was, you know
what I mean, packed it, you know. And so he
just like, you know, I disliked the promoters instead of
them promoting you. They trying to tell you now, you know,

(28:56):
but I just want to let him. I just you know,
keep doing what I'm doing. And you know I always said,
as long as I keep winning, that's all that matters.
So when a lot of people say, oh, well, he
was fighting Canelo for the money. You know, I got money,
I been had money. You know, I don't I could
have been retired, you know. I was fighting for legacy.

(29:19):
Legacy was what I was fighting for because I knew
beating Canelo was gonna do something that never being done before,
you know. So my thing was, this is an opportunity
for not only for me to shut all these people
up that that's that that says all these negative things

(29:41):
about me, but to be a slap in the face
for all these promoters and managers that you know it
says all these things and say that I can't do
this and I can't do that.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Look how God work.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
You stay down until you come up. Man, He'll assign
people to you to dude, bless you and to get
you where he wants you to go. And it's somebody
we never heard of. Dude just came on the scene
and made you his priority. Bro. So that's a blessing.
And the thing about like he fighting Canelo or you
you fighting for done right, who's fighting for free? No,

(30:17):
I don't want just to pay the petty. I want
a career high.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Hey they pay.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
They then were So we're gonna do the money thing,
then we're gonna do the legacy thing. Now, if I'm
just trying to take it for the money and I
really don't think I can beat you, that's a different situation.
So people gotta understand, Oh, you just want to do
it for the money. Who's fighting for free? Please tell me? Nobody?
So I can't fight right until I get this fight right.
Once I take care of that at the table. All right,

(30:42):
let's go get ready now and get my body right.
So I don't understand, y'all need to stop saying. I
know it's this popular pay petty petty, Yes, that's what
you want when you're fighting big name guys.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
I want that payday.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
They don't understand.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
They don't understand, bro, Like, like, who you name me
one fighter that's fighting for free?

Speaker 3 (30:56):
No, no, you take the money legacy.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
It don't happen man going into this camp, bro, Like,
like what was some of the you know, obviously you
didn't have to lose as much weight. People made a
lot about you being a smaller fighter. They didn't realize
how how much was boiling yourself down to get to
forty seven eight fifty four you're cutting in a muscle
and they didn't realize that that you got a big frame.
So like, how much did you go in the camp?

(31:18):
I seen what you posted on the scale. Some people
said it was cap I believe it. What was the
number that you came into camp at?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I don't know. I don't know. Can I say your number?
The number you posted? Man? I don't know. Man, I
got you saying I got you. I know what I posted.
I got you. What was it? Yeah? I think it
was eighty six and a half something like that. Listen,
when I was fighting at these lord weights, I had

(31:47):
to always keep myself from growing, you know what I mean.
So when I was at one forty seven, everybody like, man,
he's a gym rat. I'm always in the jam anyway,
But I had to stay in the gym because I
had to wait to keep my weight down and stay
and reasonable, you know what I mean, touch and range

(32:09):
to be able to make weight. So like when I
was able to work out, not worry about you know
what I do in the weight room or what I do,
you know, nutrition wise? You know, my body just start
doing what it do. Like I didn't tell my body

(32:30):
to to just get bigger or nothing. Like. No, I'm
naturally skinny, like I tell people, I'm skinny, but I'm
way heavy. I don't know why, you know what I mean. Like,
but like when I started working out, you know, a
lot of people don't notice, but I started. I started

(32:51):
working out for Cano in February. This was a process.
They think this this happened overnight. You know, I started
working out in February. Chet was like, come on, man,
you're gonna get this Canelo fight. We gotta start now.
You gotta start working on your legs, working on your power,

(33:13):
you know, so you can withstand them big shots, and
you know you're gonna be punching your arms and this
and that and that and this. So we already preparing for
Canelo in February. So when they say, oh, man, he
just gained all this weight, No, it was that was
a process. You know. It was buke and then cut.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, I mean that's got That's how you gotta get
ready for something like that. And you chose also not
to take a tune enough fight. So what was the
math you did with that? He still fights with.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Some people say, oh, he gonna be sharp, You're gonna
be rusty, I don't believe in that. Some people believe
in that. I don't because I think you get your
sharpness from sparn and in the gym. If you sharp
in the gym, you're gonna be sharp in the fight.
That's just That's just me. A lot of people don't
don't believe that. They say, oh, well, you know, the
fight is different than you know in the gym and

(34:03):
sparring and stuff like that. I'm saying, yeah, it is.
But at the same time, you know, you're still getting
punches thrown at you. You still you know, gotta gotta
you know what I mean, move properly in the in
the gym. So me, being in the in the game
for so long, your body needs rest, especially as you

(34:24):
get older, your body needs res So when you having
these camps, at the camps, at the camps, thinking that
you know, I'm staying active, I'm staying active, you constantly
tearing down your body. So when they say, oh, well, Terrence,
he he fights one time a year. You know that's cool.

(34:44):
You know what I mean? For me, if if I
fight twice a year, that'd be great, But one time
a year, you know, hey, I'm giving my body the
proper time and needs to recover, you know, because as
I got older, that's just as important as anything else,
is recovery. You know. So when when you listening to

(35:08):
your body and your body telling you, oh, my knees
hurting from all this running, My ankle's hurting from all
this running. My elbows is hurting, my hands, my wrists,
you know, my neck, you know things like that, you
gotta you gotta listen to your body and just say,
all right, decompressed, I'm gonna just chill out and let
let my body just do what they do.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I know you had a great camp, but brother, you
feel to be thirty eight soon, like in a day
or two, a couple of days. Right, how was that
last camp you just had?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
It was great, I.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Know it was great.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Well did you feel different at thirty seven?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
A little bit?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
You had no bumps and bruises.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Man, we always got bumps and bruises.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I have said, bump and bruises at thirty seven.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Then I had bumps and bruises at twenty seven. You
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Like different at thirty seven?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Ah, man, it's all the same. You're not never gonna
go into camp and come out, you know, one hundred
percent healthy, you know, and a lot of people is
asking me, you know, how did I feel? You know,
I had a lot going on in camp, this fight,
the last fight, the fight before.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Life, life stuff and the pressure.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, but like injuries too, injuries too.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
So you didn't go into that fight one hundred percent,
you think, No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I don't know when did I ever win in a fight,
you know what I mean? But like these last few years,
I'm way past one hundred percent. But it's just what
we gotta deal with, you know. That's why we have
the technologies. We have to recover, you know what I mean.

(36:53):
Some days, like you told me this, I never you
and Tim Bradley, if y'all went in there and be like,
hey man, you need to take some days off, like
a whole day off, you know, not no active rest,
just a whole day off, you know, recover. Just go
sit and sign in the steam room where Jakuzi something,
just relax. I wouldn't never, I still would be running

(37:13):
myself in the dirt because I always felt like if
I put more days in work, then I got just
as much days over him, then he's not gonna be
able to catch up. Yeah, you know, so if you
rest in it, I'm working. I got you because in

(37:36):
the heat of the battle, when it comes time for
us to go ahead to head, you gonna gas before me.
I really believe that. If I take my body through
through hell and training camp, you know, and I'm tired,
and I'm ache and I'm paying, and I got all
these pains and I'm working through that, what can you

(37:57):
possibly do to me to stop me from doing whateverever
I want? With you? You know already been through the fire.
This is fun now, you know. My body was aching
and hurting, and I was like, in my mind, you
better keep going. I ain't ain't no stopping. So in
a fight, you know, if I get tired or if

(38:18):
I get hurt or anything, you know, my instinct is
gonna pop in. We being we being tired before then
that second win kicking. Then it's you know, kill or
be killed. Yeah, ther rest man, especially as you get older.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Like I said, bro's it's.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's it's it's essential though, you gotta do it like
I wouldn't have did it either. I had a good
coach brother had you know, he knew me, and I'll
fight with him all the time on it. But if
he didn't do that, like my desire to win and
not willing to lose and all that stuff out of
overtrained every time.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
So when you get older, you start spending more money
on rehab, take care your body beside therapists, physical therapists.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
And you do on actual training.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Bro that thing shift your money starts shifting on that
ice bad.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
You gotta do all of that. If you ain't doing that,
you lose it.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know why, because you got everything already. You is
who you is. So when you when you younger, you're
trying to find your way. You're trying to learn as
much as you possibly can. You're trying to see what
works and what don't work, you know. So it's like, man,
I gotta do this, I gotta do this, Man I

(39:33):
gotta smart this dude to see if I'm on that level.
But when you get to a certain level and you
get to a certain age, you already know what works
and what don't you know what you gotta do. So
it's like you don't got to drill drill yourself in
the ground because you already know how to get there.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
You know how to get ready.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
You've been there before, you know, you know what it
feels like. So it's like, oh, yeah, I take a
little time to let my muscles recover, you know what
I mean. Then I can get more out of it
the next day, the next day, because you know, because
the experience. But when you don't got the experience, you're
trying to figure it out, You're like, man, I gotta work,
I gotta work. Yeah. But then when you get to

(40:10):
that point where you know, like I can take a
rest day because you know, let my muscles, you know, recover,
so I can get more out of it in this
fightre I ain't gonna get tired. I've been here before.
I put the work in. That's that was always my
fear is being in a fight and getting tired to

(40:33):
where I can perform and he not tired. And I
done lost like two three fights and the amateurs and
it was hard, and I'm talking about me fighting for
my life, and I'm like, I never want to experience
that ever again. So I would just work tremendously hard
to where it's like you that's the only way you

(40:54):
can bet is if you know what I mean, I
don't prepare it properly.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Man, I want to get into the fight.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
But but how does Tarrence Crawford spend the day of
the fight for a big fight, Like, how did you
spend the day of the fight, like before.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
The whole day?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah, just have any visitors, you got any people come
to see you.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
And people come here and there. But I'll be chilling.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I thrive in chaos. I was. I was. I was
brought up and born into chaos like around me. So
like when some people they be like, man, that gotta
they gotta be quiet. I don't want people around me.
I don't want no noise, no nothing, nothing. Man, that
don't affect me, nothing, none of that.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Like I be looking like, broeh, you be chilling.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, Like Court come up there, right, Bro, there's too
many people in your own were playing playing spades and stuff.
He're like, it's by the time you go to bed, Champ.
I'm looking at that like, yeah, you're right. I'm gonna
go to all right, y'all, y'all gotta go. I got
my little bro man kicking everybody to go to sleep.
Then I just lay down. I'm like, man, I ain't
even sleepy, dude, all right, and try to as long

(42:01):
as I'm resting, you know what I mean, stuff like that,
But nothing affects me when it comes to like me
getting in the ring, because already I'm already locked in.
Once I lock on something, nothing else matters at that
point in time, like when I'm when I'm locked in,
like we can have a fight, we can argue. I

(42:22):
was arguing before my fight, I was arguing, you know
what I mean, on that doesn't once it's time to
lock in, none of that matters. It's like I got
a blank memory, like none of that. I don't remember
none of that until after the fight, once it's time
to you know what I mean, seek and destroy and kill.
It's like a straight line. Nothing else is there but

(42:44):
that line.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
That's a beautiful gift though, you know, because a lot
of casts can't they can't turn that switch on. Like
everything has to be perfect for me to perform good.
But you know how it is, you getting ready for
a fight, but life's still happening, still getting phone calls,
what happened?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Who did?

Speaker 3 (43:00):
What? What they say?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
You like, you said you got arguments going on and
this stuff the week of to fight, because most of
the people he got before but even on family, bro
they they there, but they really don't know what this
is about. Like to most family members, it's a party's
I swear to God, fighting dre fighting, fight, it's a party.
It's like, this is not a party, bro, Like I'm
fining risk my life. But they'll start an argument or

(43:23):
do something crazy. But for you to be able to
turn that switch.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Brother, it's a beautiful, beautiful gift.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
And then you're dealing with the chaos that's that's surrounding
a fight and to be able to block that out
and lock in. We talked about the ring walk, bro,
So the bill ring and you go straight out there,
hitting with two jabs and stand your ground. So I'm like, okay,
so he's trying to send a message. What message were
you trying to send with that intentional or it just

(43:49):
happened and it was like first couple of seconds.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
No, I'm like, I'm coming right at you because you know,
there was this big blow up thing like I was
scared of him, that's all I man, I ain't scared
of you know what I mean up because he was
just like you know what I mean he said He
didn't say it, you know, but they was saying and

(44:13):
that person that. Yeah, like I'm scared of him. I'm
like scared of you like me. Oh man. So I'm
like when it's bell ring, I'm coming right at him,
coming right at him, you know, and just let him
know that I'm gonna be here all night. I ain't
going nowhere.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Talk me to the fight.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
So you know, uh, I'm touching, I'm touching him. I'm like, dang,
all right, you know. He I'm like, he's trying to
wiel me to sleep because I'm like this, dude, don't
punch this hard. So I'm like, man, he trying to
trick me. So everybody like, stay focused, stay focused, you know.

(44:53):
And then a couple of times that I you know
what i mean, mix it up with him and were
in there. I just felt like I was stronger. I
punched harder, and I could have just stood in there
and just like really let him go. But you gotta
you gotta follow the plan, you know, you gotta execute
the plan. And the plan was to get in, get out,

(45:14):
you know what i mean, boxing spurts, you know, banging spurts.
And then you know, once he wanna want to fight,
you know what I mean, you move around a little bit.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, man, your body language, which is really big when
I'm watching a fight like that, especially when it's a
person that's supposed to be scared of somebody. Right, all
the little body language means something because he's so used
to being an alpha male, he so used to having
his weight just like you are that anytime you see
some somebody that's making a move or it looked like
they kind of you, Are you scared or are you hesitant?

(45:44):
You're gonna peep that? You'renna you gonna see that right away.
I didn't see that from you, man, I've seen it.
Even when you was moving, I knew you wasn't gonna run.
I've never seen you run in a fight before. So
I was like, the challenge for for Bug going into
this fight is can he be disciplined the box because
he really don't want to be boxing. He really want
to fight. He'll move, but he really don't want to move.
And Canelos like that too. He'll move, but he really

(46:04):
don't want to move. And he did try to yoke
you up though I ain't never seen you get yoked up.
I looked, I said, dang, he tried to yoke you.
But then you try to yoke him back. I think
around the two you thinking when he tried when he
tried to yoke you on the road. It wasn't nothing
when he picked me up, my hand.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
But you don't be getting picked up, bro.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
But it wasn't nothing because it was just like I was.
I was too high on his back. You know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
You're thinking though I was laughing though.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
It wasn't nothing. I was just laughing, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I was just you wasn't thinking I gotta get that back.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Nah, yeah, because it was just like he picked me up, Okay,
you know what I mean. Like I wasn't worried about it.
He used a lot of energy to do that, That's
what I'm thinking, you know. And there wasn't nothing tickets,
grain and salt.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
You've seen it.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Be in a good zone, bro. And and I didn't
see you breathing at all. But that knife round a
ninth round came. You got into your stands, you got lost.
Oh he's fineling, he's finna try to bang with And
you had you had at those exchanges, And did that
just happened or you knew when that bill rang at night.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I'm gonna try to see I'm going to testing.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
No, I just knew just to pick it up because
you know, it was getting close to the championship rounds,
and I just wanted to make sure that, you know,
I set a tone that I was in charge. You know,
I think I did that in the seventh round too,
the seventh, you know, eleventh and the twelfth. You know,
I just wanted to set the tone that you know,

(47:28):
you're not gonna push me around, You're not gonna make
it seem like you know you you the boss. So
you know, we got an inn at that moment.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
He made a big mistake at the end of that round,
though he reached out and acknowledged that. He shook his
head in, yeah, we ain't doing that. He has a
big mistake.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
We ain't doing that.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
And he really made the first mistake at the way in.
People don't understand like that don't mean everything. That don't
mean that terms is gonna win to fight or whoever
gon win to fight. But when you break that still,
it wasn't just a him breaking the stairs. First he
reached his hand out to you at the way end.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I said, ooh.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Then he did it again in the ninth roll. He
did it in the ninth round, I say, yeah, this this,
this fight, it ain't over, but it's whole. He got
his respect and that's really what he came here to get.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
You've seen him do that.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Right, Yeah, I walked away, I walked through. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
What was you thinking when he tried when he seen
that concession?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I'm like, man, we ain't touching, no hands. But did
you think like, oh I got ah? No, I ain't
thinking nothing. I already knew I had him. I felt
like I was winning all the rounds, except you know
what I mean, one I felt like he could have
got the you know what I mean, what was it
the fifth round? You know what I mean? But all
the other rounds, I'm like, I'm in control, you know,
but not not knowing how to judge. You see it.

(48:45):
I got to make sure, you know, from history, I
got to make sure I win these championship rounds because
we didn't see fights like de la Hoya Trinidad, when
de la Hoya think he got in the bag, and
you know what I mean, he lose. You know, it's
so many fighters that you know, think they got in
a bag, and you know, the judges thing different. So

(49:07):
I want to make sure, like in the Magic Mad
Fight that I put a stamp on it because THEYD champion,
not me.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, you did that, like I really think, like for me,
it's the championship round. For me, it's ten eleven twelve.
It ain't just eleven twelve. And in those rounds you
did that, and you really needed to do that because
on a scorecard, you lost that twelve round, but you
got to. You gotta split drop y'all we having a
totally different conversation and maybe y'all run it back or
whatever and make more money, but it could have got

(49:35):
handled that night. So I think that's just the instincts
that you have being a winner. Like when you used
to winning, you kind of know like what you got
to do to keep winning. So you know, I thought
that was a just a just a that's the way
you're supposed to finish that fight. How nervous were you
waiting for the decision given all the stuff you just
named about how Vegas can be. I wasn't nervous at all.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
You wasn't nervous at all at all.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I was emotional because I already knew I had an
the bad you know what I mean. That's why I
dropped down to my knees, like damn, you know, I
just started getting emotional because it's like the journey. The
journey was long, you know what I mean, it was
grueling something like, man, I remember, you know, about to

(50:18):
quit boxing, you know, like boxing been a love hate,
you know, relationship for for years. Like all the things
that I had to go through in this sport, it
was just like man like, and you finally hear like
out of all the things that happened, none of it

(50:41):
mattered because you did this. And that's why I was
just like, man, you know, you gotta thank God cause
you know, he he the one that you know, had
had it made for me in playing.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
You kept saying that though before the fire, why don't
say you keep saying you said a couple of times
that it's already written.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
It's already written.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
What did they come from? Like that mindset?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
And it's just it's just my mindset, you know. And
I remember it's crazy because when I got shot, you know,
a couple of homies was like, you know, scared and
like because a couple of homies they had fought, you know,
and we knew gonna slide. I'm like, man, yah, niggas scared.

(51:23):
Man Like, let's go like what we doing, Like, if
something gonna happen, it's gonna happen. We can't control it.
That's all. That's how I always lived my life. If
something gonna happen, it's gonna happen, like me, nor you
can stop it from happening, no matter what. Boom, I
get shot, damn like damn, I dumb mass got shot.
I should have left, you know what I mean, get

(51:44):
shot through my car. So on the stage, I'm like,
it's already written. What's gonna happen, is gonna happen. You
can't stop it from happening. The fans can't fight for you.
It's already written. It's destined that, you know what I mean.
I'm here for a reason. You know it's not you,
it's me. I'm highly favorite. God is blessing me and

(52:08):
showing me and using me, you know as a tool
that anything's possible if you just believe in them and
have faith. So there's nothing that Canello could do that
night that, you know what I mean, was going to
change destiny. So I was just like, man, I let
it let everybody know. You know, it's already written like.

(52:28):
That's why I wasn't nervous. That's why I wasn't worried,
because I knew I'll prepare myself to the best of
my abilities, you know, and that I have the skills
and the ability to do anything I want in the ring.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, man, that's powerful because you got to have the
worst part. You gotta put your work in. You know,
you can't be saying nobody can say they believe in God.
God gonna do this for me, and then you don't
put the work in. Faith without worst is dead.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
You got to put both in.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
But to have faith in a power that's higher than you,
it brings you a lot of peace because you know,
I can only do so much, like you said. But
then your mindset, though, that's the part that you know.
I think you can develop that over time and I
think that it can become stronger and stronger. But it's
a lot of great athletes in the world that are

(53:18):
maybe more skillful than you, skillful in different people, but
they don't have that that that that thing that lock in,
that deep belief that I don't care what you say,
this is what's gonna happen to night and then go
out there and do it. That's the different that's the separator.
You feel me that that's that's that that's the different stuff.
And that's why you only got so many all time grates.

(53:39):
You only got so many greats, and then you got
everybody else After that fight, either the press conference or
in the ring.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
What did did y'all have any exchanges? Did he say
anything to you? Did you say anything to him?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
No? No, he just was thanking me and uh, telling
me that it was honored for him to share the
ring with me and things like that. And I just like,
man same, you know, like I respect Cornelo, you know,
like I'm I've been a fan of Canelo since they won,
so like to be able to share the ring with him,

(54:12):
you know, it was dope, you know. And for him
to give me the respect that I always gave him,
you know, it was definitely dope. You know, it was dope.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I gained a lot more respect for him the way
he handled that because he could have played you know,
he could have played the Oh if I did it,
I thought I did enough. That's all he had to
say is I thought I did enough, and I would
have lit up his fan base and it would have
been a whole discussion about it, and he could have
took that route.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Man.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
But and I know, dude is a competitor. He didn't
get where he got to, not being that, but the
way he did that, man, Bro, I really respect that
about him.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Man. He didn't nothing away from your mind, know nothing. Yeah, yeah,
That's why I said, man, like it was dope. You know.
You got some of the reporters, you know, trying to
persuade my uh was going on in there, and he
just kept it solid, like you know, they like, what
was it? He like everything? He has everything, you know, uh.

(55:10):
And and I was thinking, I was like, man, that's dope,
because they still trying to take it away from me.
You know, they still trying to put their narrative out there.
But he like, nah, he got everything. He won to fight.
You know, it just wasn't his night, you know. And

(55:30):
I respect that because you know, he handled his loss
like he did all his wins. I respect it too. Bro.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
What was the first thing Turkey said to you after
the fight?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I don't even remember. I think it was like a
good job, congratulations or yah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Can you explain to the people, bro, because it's a
whole lot of confusion online about why you gave him
belts back. The people really think you got them belt
and you were supposed to keep them and you gave
them back. Can you explain to people why you had
to give some of them back?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Well, you know, belts is like a trophy, you know,
so of course after the fight, we get the belts,
we get to take pictures with the belts, but then
his personal belts, I'm going to get my own personal belts. Well,
we got to return the belts. So the most the
respect that I have for him, just like I have

(56:24):
for Spence, you know, just like I have for any
other champ that I took their belts from, I personally
wanted to get the belts back to Canelo. You know,
that's a sign of respect. So you know I'm looking
for I'm like, hey, you know, we're Canelo at They're like,
oh he In the press conference, they didn't want to
let me in at first because they thought that we

(56:45):
was trying to, you know what I mean, be on
bullsh or whatever the case might be. So I like, hey, man,
I like, man, open the door. Man. I'm trying to
give him his belts back, like I can come by myself,
because you know, I was with everybody and they was
just like, all right, all right, I mean we don't
want y'all trying to come in here and bombard his presence.
I said, I wait, you know what I mean, Like

(57:06):
it's all respect, you know, and I just you know,
telling him thank you again. You know what I mean.
This is like it's sigh of respect. I want to
be the one to give you your belts back because
you know, you didn't have to fight me, and it's just,
you know, it's sign of respect.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
That's one thing I've always respected about you, Bro, is
like you know, you are a competitor, but when you win,
you don't disrespect nobody.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
You don't try to, you know, drag nobody through the mud.
Like the same thing with Spence.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
You know, all the talk that was that that was had,
and all the stuff that was said, not just from
him but just fan bases.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
You could have easily did.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
That, you know and been like I told y'all, and
you did do that, but it wasn't in a disrespectful way,
and you probably could have celebrated more and you didn't, Bro,
So I respect that about you. You know, when to
be a competitor and when and when to be a
man that same. You know I've done enough. Man, what's
life being like for you? I know your phone blowing
up since that win.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Bro, it's the same, my phone being the same. It's
the same, like, Man, I live with a chill, humble life.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Come on, bro, still life is the same. I'm saying
your personal life. But I'm saying you don't have more
noise around you?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Can?

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I get buck?

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I get Buck, I get but well, they probably calling
Julie now, Julie. Julie probably get blood for me to
do all kinds of interviews. But I'm chilling, man, Like
of course, my phone been going crazy, like, man, sorry
all y'all fans. You know what I mean. That inbox
me if I ain't got back with y'all his next message. Man,

(58:32):
it's been crazy, you know what I mean. But I
just been like just focusing on my family, chilling. You
know you've been away, yeah, enjoying you know what I mean,
the downtime and things like that.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Bro, that's the that's the best. That was the best
feeling to me, Bro, Better than the check, better than
the wind. When I've been gone from camp and I
go back to my house to be with my family,
and then I be in my mind because I've been
in camp so long. I'm like, I ain't got to
go nowhere, Yeah, to get I ain't got to get that.
I'm home, and it takes time to get.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
That out of what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
So so as I got home, it's like, I gotta
get up to take these kids.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I'm talking about traded though. Oh yeah, I ain't got
to be at the gym. I ain't got to run
the mountain. I ain't got a started. The brain still
kind of turned on to that, and you got to
remind yourself like, now I'm good, I can do my
regular life. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, yeah,
you're gonna get back in daddy moo asat.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, it's like soon as soon as you get done,
you know what I mean, the kids, it's my turnout.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
She hold it down.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
You got an extensive, uh real estate portfolio. And maybe
you didn't talk about this a lot coming up, but
I thought that was an element.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Man.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I wish you talked a lot more about because it
speaks to who you are as a businessman, and what
you've done, how many properties? You gotta be cool saying it.
The thing is, but you know you don't already said
it though I know, okay, all right, the thing is.
And the words of all the the PBC followers and fans.

(01:00:04):
I'm a bad businessman, That's what they all used to say. Remember,
I should have just took the seventy thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I should have just took what Spence gotten. I guess
I'm a bad businessman because look at me now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
You gotta, you gotta. You're playing Monopoly too, bro. You
got your own street, Terrence, Bill Crawford. That's in the
North North North, you gotta. You got a lot of
houses on it. But you're playing you're playing Monopoly in
real life. Eleven houses on that street, on that street,
eleven that's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Trying to buy them all by some more. I'm trying
to get them all, man. I'm trying to be be
the first that came up out the hood to say
I own the hood. You brought it back, but personally
own it. How can I call this my neighborhood if
I don't own a house? Yeah, you know our people
is you know, delusional at times, you know, they they

(01:01:03):
they claiming things that their parents don't even own, you know,
they written. But it's it's a beautiful thing that I'm
blessed enough to be be able to say. I had
a lot of great mentors, you know, to guide me
and and teach me the ropes and show me new things.
And you know, me having the humbleness to to listen,

(01:01:29):
to be taught to not think that I know it all,
you know. And that's just how, how how God has
blessed me, because you know, when I started getting money,
I wouldn't know what to do with it because we
wasn't never taught financial literacy. We never was taught that
in school. Our parents, our parents wasn't you know what

(01:01:51):
I mean, uh, wealthy and things like that. So we
gotta we gotta we gotta fan for ourselves. We gotta
learn on on on the road. We gotta learn, you know,
from the people that's making all the money. We gotta
learn from those people that do what they do, you know.
And I was blessed a long time ago to invest

(01:02:13):
my money the right way and you know, put it
in the right you know, portfolios, and you know, for
one k listen everything you know, trust for unds, all
that stuff you know. So yeah, I can just say
I'm blessed. Man, you're breaking generational curses for sure. You
know it's powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I don't like being no message boy or nothing and
bringing up no rumors. But it's a little rumor out
there that you might be I've seen the old video
of your mama saying you might be cheap. Now some
people say some people say frugal, right, they think frugal
and being on top of your money.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
And she would you say you cheat? And what is
cheap considered?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
What is that? I don't know. I think I don't know.
They've been calling me cheap since I was a little kid.
Why though, because I used to always just keep my money,
you know what I mean? Like, so you got you
got a little kid. You got a little kid that's
like fifteen years old, probably with like thirty bands. That'steen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
That's crazy. But but dusty, but you're stacking it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Stacking man, Hey, let me get five dollars or let
me get let me get a dollar. You'll be like, man,
I only got a ten dollar bill. I ain't bringing
no ten dollars. Give me five dollars or a dollar,
you know what I mean. And it's like everything I
got I earned. Like you know when I when I
turned sixteen, I bought my own car like nothing was

(01:03:43):
given to me. Nothing was given to me. My mom
stopped buying me clothes in the seventh grade because her
and my dad got in an argument. She mad at you, no,
her my dad got in an argument.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
What I'm saying this? She stopped buying you stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
No, they got an argument, said I'm buying all tea clothes.
I don't want you to buy it. It's like, all right,
well your dad gonna buy your clothes. Dad send you money.
Things like that. I'm like, man, start buying my own stuff.
But I used to never buy stuff. I used to
keep my money. You know, my mom should buy me
stuff here and there, shouldn't buy you nothing. Your dad

(01:04:17):
said he's gonna buy these cool but I always have
my money. So my so me and my coach should
be like, what's just saving that money? I can't take
because I'll be on tournaments. My daddy give me, my
daddy give me money. I was getting paid by the
USA boxing. I had a little job at the airport
and things like that, and I just never used to

(01:04:39):
spend it on nothing, So everybody's just always been calling
me cheap cause I just always hold on to stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Hey, whatever you're doing, brother is working. Keep doing it, man,
you gotta uh you be. Spence came home. You had
a celebration for all the Nebraska bus. Fifteen thousand people came.
I've never seen nothing like that before in my life.
Y'all getting ready to do it again tomorrow. How does
that feel to be able to run that back, especially
coming off the wind you just had two weeks ago, hard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Man, I honestly believe this one's gonna be bigger than
the space the fifteen man, I think this is gonna
be bigger than this space. Like the support and the
amount of people that came out like it, it was unreal.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Was you expecting that many?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
That's why I said it was unreal, because it was
just like all these people here for you, Oh, Bud,
you know what I mean? Like you sit there and
you think you're like man, dude, and you think about
how far you then came, and you think about like
the G unit and the police officers that used to

(01:05:45):
mess with you, pull you over and harass you and
things like that, and they all fans and you they
cool with you now. And it's just like, man, like
how your life did a complete three sixty by just
making different choices, just different choices Like I could have
easy been like, man, I'm gonna keep doing what I

(01:06:08):
was doing. But I was just like, man, you know what,
I'm gonna change my life. I'm gonna stop hanging out.
I'm gonna focus on my craft and stop doing things
that I was doing, you know. And God took me
here here in a matter of you know what I mean, months,

(01:06:30):
just by me being humble and standing down. You know,
my first call was Tim Bradley. That's what started it all.
I wasn't fighting, I wasn't doing nothing. I was just chilling,
you know what I mean, training And I got that
phone call and that that was the light that sparked
it all. You know, me sparring Tim Bradley and then

(01:06:51):
it's been it's been up every sing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
What is it that win mean for B and B?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Your three coaches, you know, Sahul Red and Bo Mack.
They don't get the credit that they deserve. Yeah, Lea,
he wouldn't let you if you tried, But what does
that mean for them? Like saying that we did it again.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
It just shows that, you know, coaches can work together
without having egos. You know, you never seen a team
like me ever. There's always been a head coach always
coming from Omaha. You never hear about these type of

(01:07:39):
athletes number one athletes in this and this from Omaha, Nebraska.
So they don't get their recognition that they deserve because
if they was in a bigger city, or if I
had one coach that was doing the type of things
that they was doing, they would have all the awards

(01:08:01):
they have, all award awards. You know, if I was
in a different city, if I was you know, put
myself out there and acting crazy and got this big following,
I would have had more awards than I do now

(01:08:21):
because just the popularity back then, you know, And I
felt as if you know, I should have won, uh
the Fighter of the Year award when I beat Spence,
I should have felt I felt like I should have
won the Fighter of the Year award when I became undisputed,

(01:08:42):
because they didn't give it to me when I became undisputed,
but they gave it to Lomachenko when you know what
I mean. He didn't become undisputed, but he was unified.
You know, Devin had the DBC. They gave it to
Uzik when he was undisputed. They gave it to any
Way when he became undisputed, but Terrence they didn't give
it to him when he became undisputed. And one of

(01:09:06):
them rings, you know, So it was it was a
little biasness, like I always said. So let's see they say, oh,
he fought one time, but look who I fought, and
look what I did to him. That's worth four or
five for a Yeah, what I did to Spence. None
of them other fighters can compete. He was ranked number

(01:09:28):
five in the in the powerful poundless. I'm beating people
that's on the powerful poundless. But they say, oh, you're
not finding the one canelo on a poundful punist. Let's
see what they do this time. They're gonna say I
fought one time, so that lest you know, like fighters,
a little throwed off man, you do something to him.
They like elephants, they don't never forget. He gonna remember
this to the to the eighty years old. Hen'll be

(01:09:49):
talking about how he should have been And I got
my list too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Trust me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
I know you can't get into what's next. You might
not even know what's next, but can you at least
say how you leaning, what you're feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
How I'm leaning? Just just yeah, yeah, man, I'm leaning
like this. That's why my back hurt. They say I
need to work on my posture. He said, I need
Julie over there. She's gonna say, sit up there, sit
up like, sit up there and chilling. Man, Like, to

(01:10:25):
be honest, I don't know what I'm gonna do, you know,
like I said, you know, everything's up in the air
right now. I'm just you know, enjoying my family, enjoying
you know, to be be able to say, you know,
look what I accomplish or what I'm about to accomplish next.

(01:10:49):
So I'm just chilling right now. I haven't even got
the time to sit down with my team and talk
with them and you know things like that. I talk
with my family. I know what my family more. But
you know, it's a it's a team.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Efert Turke. You gonna make a heart on your dog.
We heard we heard them fight week. No retirement, no retirement.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
But look man, look look that's the thing. You know,
you gotta have strong will, you know, because a lot
of things gonna be thrown at you. But it's up
to you to you know, know what's rife, what's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
So you've been making them decisions your whole career, man,
so I know you're gonna make the right one here,
brother man, you came out to the bay I think
it was like twenty twenty one or something like that.
We spent a couple of days in the gym. You
came to my house. You was like, how I feel
to be rich? I don't really know how to answer you, though.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I was just like, you feel good? How I feel?
I'm gonna ask you the same thing, but how I feel?
Tell me how I feel?

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
It feel good?

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
But how does it feel? And I know you've been
getting money for a long time, but how does it feel?

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Terrence to be rich?

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
It has its days.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
You know, ain't always good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
It ain't always good, you know, and people think it's
always good for today, but you know, uh, it's great
being comfortable and not having no worry about nothing. You know,
that's the that's the joy of it. You know, you
don't You have no words, and it's a tool that

(01:12:26):
you can use to make you more comfortable. It don't
make you happy, but it definitely makes you comfortable, you know,
So it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I'd rather take the pressure and whatever hard comes with
having money and people won't then trying to manage it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Then that other heart are not having it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
That's a fact. But that that's a fact. But me
being the type of person that I am and travel
the world and being able to see how happy people
is with nothing, that makes me think different, you know,
because we we take materialistic things and material things to

(01:13:10):
the extreme, you know, when we also just be blessed
that we wake up in the morning. You know, it's
a blessing to have your legs. It's a blessing to
have your arms, your eyes and ears and teeth, your nose.
You know, it's a blessing to see. But we don't.
We don't look at things like that, you know. So

(01:13:31):
when I'm when I'm in different countries and I go
to the slums and to see how happy they is
with nothing, I come back like, man, man, we tripping
over here, were tripping like we take too much for granted.
You know this person, you know that that got their

(01:13:51):
legs chopped off because they are diabetic. You know, uh,
you know what they'll do to have your legs. This
person that's in the grave that's passed, I ain't waking
up in the morning. This person that's in jail for life,
that's in the hole, he can't go outside and smell

(01:14:14):
fresh air. So we take a lot of things for granted,
and we think money is, you know, a tour that's
going to solve everything, and it's not so me personally
being rich. It's cool, but I don't just want to
be rich. I want to be wealthy so I can
help the people that I need to help. You know

(01:14:36):
that's in need, that that's going to appreciate it, and
it's going to make me happy inside for helping somebody else.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Come on, I'm happy for you, dog. I've seen the journey.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
You did it your way, and sometimes when you like
a mad scientist, your way seem like it ain't working sometimes,
And that's when a lot of people got a lot
to say. But it was dope seeing you stick to
what you believe and you never left on the hall.
They told you had to act a certain way, they
tried to. When that didn't work, then they tried to

(01:15:08):
spend it and say you can't talk. He don't want
to do media.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
That was a lie.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Well he's never gonna do this. He's not gonna beat
this guy. And you stayed damn bro until you came up.
And you a great example, Brouh, not just for the youngsters,
but for people like me. We have great conversations. But
just I'm a person that pick up stuff. I'm just watching,
so I've seen how you've moved. And Man, I appreciate you, Bro,
and BOXING appreciate you, Brouh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
And you're a great father, man.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
And but you in that, you in that you got
a house on Go Street, my boy, You in that thing,
and it's gonna be like that forever.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Bro. So congratulations, Bro, you did that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Man appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Proud are you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Brother. That's it for another episode of the Art Award.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
It's always a special time when I'm with my brother
man and Man, we'll see you next time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Peace.