June 17, 2025 • 24 mins
Andre Ward and Roy Jones Jr. go head-to-head on the ultimate boxing what-ifs... Starting with why Floyd Mayweather wouldn’t beat Sugar Ray Leonard. They break down dream matchups across generations and don’t hold back on their hottest takes. A must-watch debate between two legends who’ve seen it all.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Well, Rogerson. Then I'm in here messing with these. I
see you threw about three 'em in there with me.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
But I man, as soon as I put my shoes on,
we came in here doing some promo. As soon as
I put these socks and shoes on, man came in here.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I started getting right. I start feeling it, and I
started looking them up like I didn't get men. Here
we go, I'm sweating and everything. Man.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
But you know a lot of times people ask me
on social or in person they want to.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Match me and you, right, and I came for me.
That's like, I can't do that. In my mind, I
can't do that, like how people ask me. I always
held you a part eli, I can't do that. I
can't even think, like I said, I learned my stuff
from how I'm gonna do that. You know what I mean.
So it's like blasphemous to me.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
But I put the question like this, if we if
we fought, knowing what you know about me, how you
think you would have.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Fought me on that? I would have said, No, it's
knowing your strength is Your strength is distance. So I
gotta stay away away from you or I gotta come
more upon you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So if I'm here, yeah, so if I'm doing my thing, Yeah,
I ain't.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Paying unless you sit and let you sit. I can't
let you sit cause look what you mean you're gonna
keep my pe? Do you say you do anything and
can let you sit into your thing? I gotta keep walking.
I gotta keep playing playing with you, And I said
I play. I gotta play those games if you ever
to keep your mind off of what you're doing. So
I get you think about what I'm doing. If I
get both of us think about what I'm doing, who
got time?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Thing? More what you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But I gotta take your mind off of what you do,
cause if I don't, i'm'a have a hard time. Cause
you're very patient and you're very smart. And that's the
one thing I always give you credit for. You want
the most patient, most smartest fighters I have sent. You
weren't the most athletic guy, but you learn how to
keep that distance. You know how to keep guys in
the distance where they don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
What you do. Yeah, you know that was a beautiful thing. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think I think for me, i'd have had to
I would have had to be patient with you, right,
and i'd have had to keep my composer.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
When you start leaping in, throwing that heavy stuff, getting
there trying to get them clips off.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I had to had to keep my composure cause that stuff,
if you're not careful, that stuff could spook you as
a fighter.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Because he's like, man, that's faster than I thought it was. Yeah,
he hitting harder than I thought he was.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's what got most people. Most people thought because I
was fast and that wasn't powerful. But the way I
was taught, I was taught to be powerful at all times,
which is what I try to teach my guys. So
like even when you was in here with new one,
the one time you threw a boom boom, boom boom,
I said, you guys, notice how that's.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Boom on the in, boom on the end, boom on
the inen, boom on the end. This counts, So people
think it does. People get speed mixed up with real punches.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
If you got speed when the ain't real, that's no good,
that's not taking nobody out. But then four right there,
then real, if you can give in one of the
n e one of those, you gonna have a pop.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And I think too, it had been how to had
to figure out.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And I'm used to being a guy with the hands
out right, So it had been a batter of their
hands and the battle of the feet with me and
you because you kept your stuff out here like this,
and you gotta deal with that because you could throw something.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You can of course you could turn something off of
that stuff quick right here was so fat and matter
of fact.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
When I thought Eric Lucas, I learned years later he said,
coach told him, the coach to always say. I taught
him keep the jail off of his face, he said,
Lucas told him, but he got.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Two of them.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
For real, because I was popping right hand like a
jab and popping the jail.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Like yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
When I think about that fight, it's like, you know,
a lot of times I can pretty much come up
with a game planer I did this, did that, did that?
I think patience would have been real important for me.
I had to really when you're doing all that stuff.
I had to really take my time right. But yet
I can't make no mistakes none because if out reach of.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Course, turning something off of course, and.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I would have had to really been okay, with it
being four two, three three, I went into the seventh
round down stretch like that, and I got to try
to close the distance and get mine mere range. And
so now my question is did you did you like
fighting in sides? I know you would throw inside, but
did you like fighting inside?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Here's the problem with y'all, understand, I loved fighting inside.
When I thought Merkey sauce, I was so happy. I said,
now I don't have to move tonight. You know, I
told you my dad made us move twenty five rounds
a night. At least every night we gonna get twenty
five rounds of moving in. So moving was second.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Naxious to me.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
When I fought Murkey. I know, Murkey coming right to me.
I don't have to move. This is perfect. You clipped
them with a hook, ben you Yeah, no, right hand
hit the right hand. Psture you right hand first. Sure,
But that was perfect for me because I actually loved
the fight inside for me. For me, the way I
was taught, because we had to do so much moving,
fighting inside was lazy for us. Yeah, cause we ain't
gotta use all that move Yeah, we ain't gotta move,
(04:46):
so that should be easy, though, for us, that was
the easiest way to fight, because of course you gonna
get hit more, but now because your feeder mobile, your
body become more of a target. Yet if you the
better puncher, or you the stronger fighter, you gonna overpowered person.
So that's why we loved it. But my dad wouldn't
allow us to do it much. He taught us how,
But that was our first option.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
People don't really, I don't think people think of you
as an inside fighter. They don't you talking about the speed,
the power being on an orthodox.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
But they go back and look at that Murcury social fight,
They'll understand that I'm the problem doing that, none of all,
None of all. And Murky was the hardest punch as
ever fought the jab though, I.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Would have had to keep my jab on point because
I need something. I need something to slow all that down.
I need something to slow that. I gotta I gotta.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Get in here, and I know you coming over the top,
but I gotta keep on. I gotta keep on. See
the problem is with that, though, the problem is talk
to me.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
The problem that is is like for me and I'm
just gonna show this because of me, and you hit
the right. Yeah, so you throw a jab right first
jab first chair right, Okay, so I know that. So
if you do it my face I was looking at first, right,
the gonna throw it, throw it at my face.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Again, I'm gonna roll out. This is what I see.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Right next time you throw it again, gotta come come
up to the doors. Games I play, you feel them
come from. So I'm always looking for your jam because
that's what starts my thing.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Because what's the first punt you learn? You going to gym?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, So I got every kind of way possible to
get to that because you gotta throw that purpose. That's
when everybody was talking. So when I come out there
and say why he come out and leave you left
hook because I don't wanna give you my jam, so
you can get me, you feel me. But if I
can get you to reset my face with a jam, I.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Got you now.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, because if you you gotta remember now you can
touch my face there with a jam.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Let me I can touch you with a right hand
on left hooks right right. So I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Jam for that right here and left hook all day
because those are power punchers.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You feel them come from. Not a good thing, but
you is if you throw your jab.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You also bad back, and you and you and you
you feel me, So that's gonna be harder too. So
I can't get it as easy as I were with
most people because you know how to frame off your jair.
You'll throw your jab, but you also keep that frank
so you not not you staying set after, which would
have made it much harder for me to get to you.
Then I got the most pictures because you wasn't no
easy fix for not at all.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
How you gonna deal with it? I slipped in side money,
i'a let you still there? Yeah, yeah, I want that. Yeah,
when you come in out the call all over though,
and when I get you so ary from here. If
you do that and you get in here, and as
you get in here, I'm a perfect I get you here.
Now we can go to work. Yeah, but this is
what I do. This is my stuff. Then I used
to be I think I'm gonna be qua we hear me.
I thought I was gonna be qua we for a
(07:18):
long time. So that's what I love. So you decision, huh, decision.
Now I'm going for to kill you, going for the knockout.
I'm going for he ain't trying to see that tie
around I got. I gotta try. You ain't trying to
see that. I try to go for I kill. I
wouldn't look out of for me. The fans don't expect
(07:40):
a decision from me. Yeah, you feel me. I gotta
try to get the fans with it. And I ain't
gonna say it would't happen.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It wouldn't happened, but that's why I gotta try to
so like like like you said that though Bilter BFF
and bee Ball, we were expecting a great fight because
we thought Befall was an exceptional boxer and we thought
better Bierf was an exceptional pulture. However, at that big fight,
bv All change I mean better be a changed clothes.
He turned into a boxer instead of a punccher. Where
(08:08):
the world had been used to seeing you as a boxer,
I mean as a puncher. So the world expects you
to bring that puncher to the fight. And let's see
how Bevall deals with that puncher.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You didn't. You changed him for a beef off fighting.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Which is why I gave beef All the note or
I would call him draw, cause you basically got pulled
into beef all fight except.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Rounding level and better Beer didn't do it nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's why I say you got pulled into be boss
fighting to except round the number.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So I think Bevall, you know, his body language and
stuff in certain rounds, I think gave him an opportunity
to say, well, maybe better be a you know, won
that round. So it's a couple of little rounds that
I think his body language is off. But to your point,
it wasn't an exciting fight, and that's.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Good for bev Off.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Of course, he lived to see another day by slowing
that fight down and making it like that. But better
be with that reputation, undisputed light heavyweight championshit brou you
gotta you, gotta, you gotta beat it who they say
you are twenty over twenty knockouts, which they were looking
for straight up. But but but the fans, they give
a puncher the benefit of the doubt and they say
it was a great fight or he did a great
(09:05):
job because of the anticipation that he gonna land. But
if a boxer fight that same fight, it's a boring fight.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Of course. Of course, so b Ball did what he
was supposed to do. He made it born. That's his job.
A better be supposed to do more than that. He didn't.
And I like better Beer. I like love both of them.
I like both of them. But that's what that's the facts.
Though I thought I thought that he had been a
draw or, I thought didn't do it. I didn't see
better Be doing nothing. I didn't. I didn't need that.
I'm gonna ask you this, though.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I got two fighters in mind that that I want
to hear and show me how you would have how
you would have fought them and faced up against them.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
One of them is somebody you fought already.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Okay, g manm Gmail was very difficult, right. The man
thing was she Man really wanted always want he was, Yeah,
he gonna go through it right.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And if you threw a right hand and you rolled
out to your right, he gonna jump in with the
right hand. He did exactly. He did it a lot,
so I don't stood there, so I started.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Doing the g Man was keeping Jimmy outside, staying away
from him, and force him.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
To throw the right and go outside the right and
take over that way. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But you gotta force him to throw that, cause that's
his best shot. If you let him wait the throw
when he want to, he gonna catch you with. But
if you go to it and make him throw it now,
he ain't gonna throw it because you can't help it.
Can you make it the throw?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
So if you did that, you make him do something
that that is out of character for him, cause he's
used to hiding it and sneaking up on you with.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
If you make him throw it now, you got on
your clock right, and that's how it the fuck.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But which I'm saying, a dude like that, though, you
gotta lest some of that steam off though, cause he
he coming first early. You can't get hit the first
four round with that that right hand, like he a
legitimate punch. You cannot get hit with the right hand
in the first full round. You cannot X not your man.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You almost had him out. You cannot get hit with
his right hand first four round. But I knew that.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So and they say he was mean too. He was,
he was, he was, But how would you would have
fought him in a twelve round fight?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Though I would have did uh same thing Marvin, I mean,
same thing ready none did to Marvin, and he he
was a little bit more, but I made him keep
moving around for the first four now cause he used to.
All he used to do is this, that's all he
wanna do. He gonna stuck you and put it on
you feel him come from. So he don't know how
to change up and do their or change. He don't
know how to do that really, So me knowing that
(11:14):
in the first four rounds, i'm'a box you pop here
now and then he's to bite it when I can.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But I'm just gonna kind of move around and give
you some feel me.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I got to because U a strawing puncher. It's like
same thing I kind of wish Devin with a deal
with gar See you you know what I'm saying. I mean,
if you know Garcia has a hook like that, don't
git what is not the first round?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
No, you can't.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Tank didn't give it to him the first round. Why
cause Tank knows he's a devastating puncher. Wait dreamed or not,
he's still a devastating puncher. Don't give it to him early.
That's his best shot. You give GM in the right
hand in the first three rounds of decided to look
for your brothers. What it was, so you just stay
away from them thirst three. Then you start the fighting
around four.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And you gotta.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah yep, cause he's in Maryland. In Maryland, how would
you apart Triple G? Because I always wanted him to
come up and fight, but he never will.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But I want to see that he ain't do that.
I don't get that. You always pound you was already
pound pound um one.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Especially any time Floyd retire Andre number one, they see
what they wanted to throw you one way class.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Under what you ain't on. It's a good question. So
I always wanted that, But how would you a part
of Look, I respect I respect collecting style.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You know what I'm saying. He h you can see
physically strong. You gotta respect that. And I said this before,
like my preference is a taller fighter, that's my preference.
A guy that's eye level, a guy that's a little
bit shorter, not really my preference. He's probably like he
probably a little bit shorter than me, a little bit
shorter than me. But I like how similar to COVID
LB but different. They keep everything compact right and they
(12:45):
throw their.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Stuff in a certain spot exactly. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So it might have been for two, three, three going
into that seventh round, right, because my whole thing is
it's a twelve round fight and I'm establishing my distance,
my reign, and I'm doing stuff too.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You don't even know that's going on. I'm getting closer
with my feet, I'm getting in position.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So the first the first three rounds, he gonna come,
he gonna do, he gonna he gonna be in character.
And the thing that's gonna get him though, is the jab.
They ain't gonna be faster and a lot stronger than
what he think. My physical strength gonna be stronger than
what he thinks, and I'm gonna be hitting harder. So
it's gonna be a slow, incremental beat down.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Break down. But right around that seventh round inside, y'all go,
y'all go.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And the thing is is like as great as the
Russian fighters are, Ukrainian fighters are, most of them.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Can't say all of them.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I haven't seen one that number one knows how to
defend theyself inside because when I look at the school
that they come from, I've seen the videos. Everybody's doing
the same thing. Everybody's here, point system, everything is.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It, and they do that amazing they do.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
They look, man, it's beautiful, but they don't know how
to defend when somebody get up here, me and rain
and cause they don't.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Know how to defend.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Hence why the got beat Lomo Chico in the second
or third fight, right cause he got up in him
and Loman Chico didn't know how to deal with that.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
They don't know how to deal with that, so that
that would have been a difference between me and him.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Gotcha, you know, he physically strong, good compact punches, He tough.
He seemed to take a good shot. But it's just
some different stuff that's gonna be going on, right, ring.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Man, got you who else you got for me? Sugar? Right?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Linard Sugar Ete Linard Sugar raight lining that guy he
also almost just like how you said about me. I
never really wanted to fight him, but I did spot
with him one time. Oh yeah, yeah, I did spot
with him, and I went pretty good. He he he
hit me one time. The whole time, hit me one
left hook.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
That was it. Rest of the time, I kind of
did what I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
But the the best thing about it was that I
knew that for a fast fighting like him, the jab
is your problem. That's why Tommy gave him so many
problem the first fight.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Kept in fight.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, he can't stand the jab in his face. I
kind of just kept the jab cause if you didn't
move around, do wanna do? He gonna beat you because
he's very explosive and he's very mean. All I was
gonna say, you mean to me. People don't give him
enough credit. People always say, well, Floyda would be Sugar. No, baby,
Florida is not as near as mean as Sugar.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Think you the beating, Hey, you gonna keep him on fun.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Sugar is a dog. People don't just cause his name
Sugar don't mean nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Sugar is a dog.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
People don't give him enough credit for that. You gotta
think this is around between around thirteen and fourteen. I
think and say, you're blowing the sun. Sugar and linnle
guy went out there and put these things on time.
It hurts who knocked brows the red cold one shot.
Your timing hits you. You're like, g man, you've been hit.
So for Sugar to cour out there and do that, man,
they don't give Sugar enough credit.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You understand me. It's a great finish to they don't
give Sugar get you hurt. They don't.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
They don't give Sugar enough credits. So for me, I
like Floyd and Florida's cool, but it's like Florida Dinner
Live the fight. They're close to Sugar. Sugar kind of did.
What they want to do is Floydadner, and it's like
it's gonna be harf me to see how they gonna
take it and beat Sugar. I mean they they'd have
to do something different, that's for sure. Now, if he
did something different, he probably help a chance. But just
the way he been doing with normal people, that's not
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gonna work. Well when I saw in his prime, that's
not gonna work with Sugar, Sugar got something. I got
a third element right there, he said third he does,
he got a third element right there.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Now we know that.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
We say we think BOYD got but we don't know.
We ain't never seen the challenge. We know Sugar got one.
So you think, how you think that fight would have
went through?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Who floording? Sugar y'all too? Who me and Sugar y? Yeah? Think?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I think I I W I think I woulda beat
him if I would have fought him, But I probably
if they they probably could have never made me fight
him because I felt like I learned so much from
him too, And like, I think I took what I
thought he couldn't do well and I added that to
my game. So if Sugar didn't help me get to
be better than him, then it didn't do me no
good to have him as a guy that I looked
up to. You feel me, So it's like, I think
(16:54):
what I added would have probably made it a tough
fight for him.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I don't know. I think it was for your era
tho y'all was.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
He was obviously older, but I'm saying like he was
too far away, y'all wouldn't he would never know opportunity
to fight.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I would never know because because when could y'all even
done it? Even when he was old? I know you
wouldn't have, but I'm saying, what it y'alla? He was
gonna tear noise the time. Yeah, I came after Tyrany
Andre Durrell from twelve round like that's your man, right,
(17:25):
twelve rounds. Yeah, we had a sparing session. Yeah, howlet
go ole Mitchell got that tape. I'm trying to get
that tape. I've been trying to get that VHS man
for years.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Man, he uh, we only sparred three rounds and uh
speed you gotta deal with ain't nowhere around that. You're
gonna have to deal with that speed. You gotta deal
with him turning lefty right handed. Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And we split like one round a piece, and then
last round was probably even okay, you know what I'm saying.
But I think with Dourell, we'll be going back and
forth about this. I think ain't the real like.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It took me four or five rounds to slow him
down again. I maybe that maybe four to two going
into seven.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
He made me up a little bit because he gonna do.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
He gonna throw the punches, he gonna he gonna have
the flashy stuff. But man, I gotta I gotta just
be a dog in my mindset. I gotta just keep
touching the body with the jab. They didn't get that
stuff off. Three, four, five, say come right back with
the jab right twos and three, and I gotta gonna
be hitting that body every chance I get.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm coming on from the first round and then right
around that seventh eight round, that's when I try to
turn it on because that's how I train. I don't
train to fall off. I train to get stronger as
I go. How many time to tell you all that?
How man? Time to tell all that?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, the gym wasn't really fun, like it's it's
something something elements is cool, But like I used to have,
not to my stomach before I ran. The next day,
I didn't sleep because I knew, like, man, it's about
to be painful. I gotta run this hill, I gotta
I gotta run this lake just forur and a half mind.
But I'm not just gonna jog it. I'm pressing my
Everything was intense with me. That's how it felt, and
(19:01):
I knew I had to. I used to hate seeing
dudes fade, and if I hated it and the amateurs,
it was like my coach would be like, well, you
see this dude, he had to fight, he wanted to fight.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Look at him. Body language. We cared about all that
body language. How you finished all that?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So that's how I trained, and that would I think
that would have been a difference between me and brokes Man.
Durrell was probably one of the most talented fighters I've
ever seen, really just just raw talent, because he was
one hundred and twenty five pounds and the amage skinny
big fro and he'll be on the roads like this
dude be hitting him, and that dude a lit off
a clip, fIF things.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Turned this way. We'd just be looking like, man, it's
a little dude. Then seen for a little bit of
time came back that dude was one sixty five in
like a year. Wow. So middleway Wow, same speed, same
all that. So that stuff would have been. And we
were supposed to fight, bro, we were supposed to fight, and.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
The amateurs never happened. We thought we was gonna fight,
trying to get on the team.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It didn't happen. And then in Super six he didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Have If he beat there, if you would have beat
a it was next. Just wasn't meant It wasn't meant
to be the matter of course. Did you have a
North fight of name Warren McPherson, Yeah, I knew one.
They told me one was man one awesome talent two Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah. Wann uh w Wine was good man.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
He was He was tall and he uh he's a
great box He left handed and uh he fought burted
a couple of times for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
But he he the qualifier to get to to get
to position himself for the trials. All them nationals leading
up to they look unbeatable.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And we was in uh Tunica, Mississippi. First time I
ever seen cotton in my life, never seen a cotton field.
And you know, in the amateurs, you go to the
to the lobby, everybody kind of get there at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Then it's pulling up everybody getting in there. I mean
by saying, I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Wine pull up and wine normally clean cut waves, all
that dressing nice.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
He walked in there, man with a with a afro
looking lips all dark. I'm looking at wine like summer bro.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He's whatever happened from the time he qualified to the
time we got to the Olympic trials, it was all
bad because wine had good. He had some sponsors out
of Cleveland that was giving him a lot of money. Ah,
and we'd hear about it like good money. He lost it, man,
something happened. He got all tracked right good for them trials,
(21:36):
and he lost some stuff happened with I think uh
with with with Berto and disqualification.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
But the longest, longest long and short of it is.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You only heard of him and the images bro. But
he he was to me, he was like a terms
of his build. He was like a Tommy hearns even
like a Michael Nun were popped though in like physical strength,
great fighter year right before that biggest moment, Uh, he
got off track man and start tripping. Yeah, he pulled
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up to the trials, but we ain't even know who
he was.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Sad, That's why I.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Heard I try to hit him as a pro for
a little while, but they never paying out.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I don't know why that stuff happened.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Sometimes maynhaw I do to be the guy in the amateurs,
but in the pros, it just don't.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
It don't fly.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That's a lot of things that happen a lot of
times with young guys and give give him too much money.
Places like Ohio they have a hard time deal with
that anyway. That's why the big baby moved out, because
you know, Hi, Ohio is a tough place to come
up in and it's a it's a lot of temptations
and most big cities are like like that, really, but
Ohio produced something the best fighters that I've seen. You
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know what I'm saying that the Cleveland, Cincinnati them dude
be them, dude, be the truth you feel me. Yeah,
but they have a lot to deal with outside of
box crabsing it and they have a hard time making it,
but costs them crabs in the bucket.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So that's why I things happened to him. Yeah, I
seen that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I seen that with Cincinnati and boys raw Cincinnati Cleveland
recall a week.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, yep up. Hey man, it's gonna have you down here, bruh.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
If you Coo gave him experience of a lifetime. Man,
that's you always like I said, you said it took
you thirty years to get here. You always have been
welcome and you still are always welcomed to.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Come in time you want to, any time to a
good side. Bess a different thing.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Didn't see the bread got another bess for There's another
bess for that too.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
That's the other thing in the country too. Boy, anybody
get let off.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
It ain't no thing like you do that in my
in my neighborhood while living there, there'll go crazy. But
in the country, they like, I might give the heads
up because one of them got horses and stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So I let them know. But other than that, it's
it's free. It's free and the alligator eat everything. That's
the thing. R by Florida. Bruh, everybody of water. I'm
thinking that get some alligators in there. Man, you have
to h
Well, Rogerson. Then I'm in here messing with these. I
see you threw about three 'em in there with me.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
But I man, as soon as I put my shoes on,
we came in here doing some promo. As soon as
I put these socks and shoes on, man came in here.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I started getting right. I start feeling it, and I
started looking them up like I didn't get men. Here
we go, I'm sweating and everything. Man.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
But you know a lot of times people ask me
on social or in person they want to.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Match me and you, right, and I came for me.
That's like, I can't do that. In my mind, I
can't do that, like how people ask me. I always
held you a part eli, I can't do that. I
can't even think, like I said, I learned my stuff
from how I'm gonna do that. You know what I mean.
So it's like blasphemous to me.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
But I put the question like this, if we if
we fought, knowing what you know about me, how you
think you would have.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Fought me on that? I would have said, No, it's
knowing your strength is Your strength is distance. So I
gotta stay away away from you or I gotta come
more upon you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So if I'm here, yeah, so if I'm doing my thing, Yeah,
I ain't.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Paying unless you sit and let you sit. I can't
let you sit cause look what you mean you're gonna
keep my pe? Do you say you do anything and
can let you sit into your thing? I gotta keep walking.
I gotta keep playing playing with you, And I said
I play. I gotta play those games if you ever
to keep your mind off of what you're doing. So
I get you think about what I'm doing. If I
get both of us think about what I'm doing, who
got time?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Thing? More what you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But I gotta take your mind off of what you do,
cause if I don't, i'm'a have a hard time. Cause
you're very patient and you're very smart. And that's the
one thing I always give you credit for. You want
the most patient, most smartest fighters I have sent. You
weren't the most athletic guy, but you learn how to
keep that distance. You know how to keep guys in
the distance where they don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
What you do. Yeah, you know that was a beautiful thing. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think I think for me, i'd have had to
I would have had to be patient with you, right,
and i'd have had to keep my composer.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
When you start leaping in, throwing that heavy stuff, getting
there trying to get them clips off.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I had to had to keep my composure cause that stuff,
if you're not careful, that stuff could spook you as
a fighter.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Because he's like, man, that's faster than I thought it was. Yeah,
he hitting harder than I thought he was.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's what got most people. Most people thought because I
was fast and that wasn't powerful. But the way I
was taught, I was taught to be powerful at all times,
which is what I try to teach my guys. So
like even when you was in here with new one,
the one time you threw a boom boom, boom boom,
I said, you guys, notice how that's.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Boom on the in, boom on the end, boom on
the inen, boom on the end. This counts, So people
think it does. People get speed mixed up with real punches.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
If you got speed when the ain't real, that's no good,
that's not taking nobody out. But then four right there,
then real, if you can give in one of the
n e one of those, you gonna have a pop.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And I think too, it had been how to had
to figure out.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And I'm used to being a guy with the hands
out right, So it had been a batter of their
hands and the battle of the feet with me and
you because you kept your stuff out here like this,
and you gotta deal with that because you could throw something.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You can of course you could turn something off of
that stuff quick right here was so fat and matter
of fact.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
When I thought Eric Lucas, I learned years later he said,
coach told him, the coach to always say. I taught
him keep the jail off of his face, he said,
Lucas told him, but he got.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Two of them.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
For real, because I was popping right hand like a
jab and popping the jail.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Like yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
When I think about that fight, it's like, you know,
a lot of times I can pretty much come up
with a game planer I did this, did that, did that?
I think patience would have been real important for me.
I had to really when you're doing all that stuff.
I had to really take my time right. But yet
I can't make no mistakes none because if out reach of.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Course, turning something off of course, and.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I would have had to really been okay, with it
being four two, three three, I went into the seventh
round down stretch like that, and I got to try
to close the distance and get mine mere range. And
so now my question is did you did you like
fighting in sides? I know you would throw inside, but
did you like fighting inside?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Here's the problem with y'all, understand, I loved fighting inside.
When I thought Merkey sauce, I was so happy. I said,
now I don't have to move tonight. You know, I
told you my dad made us move twenty five rounds
a night. At least every night we gonna get twenty
five rounds of moving in. So moving was second.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Naxious to me.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
When I fought Murkey. I know, Murkey coming right to me.
I don't have to move. This is perfect. You clipped
them with a hook, ben you Yeah, no, right hand
hit the right hand. Psture you right hand first. Sure,
But that was perfect for me because I actually loved
the fight inside for me. For me, the way I
was taught, because we had to do so much moving,
fighting inside was lazy for us. Yeah, cause we ain't
gotta use all that move Yeah, we ain't gotta move,
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so that should be easy, though, for us, that was
the easiest way to fight, because of course you gonna
get hit more, but now because your feeder mobile, your
body become more of a target. Yet if you the
better puncher, or you the stronger fighter, you gonna overpowered person.
So that's why we loved it. But my dad wouldn't
allow us to do it much. He taught us how,
But that was our first option.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
People don't really, I don't think people think of you
as an inside fighter. They don't you talking about the speed,
the power being on an orthodox.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
But they go back and look at that Murcury social fight,
They'll understand that I'm the problem doing that, none of all,
None of all. And Murky was the hardest punch as
ever fought the jab though, I.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Would have had to keep my jab on point because
I need something. I need something to slow all that down.
I need something to slow that. I gotta I gotta.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Get in here, and I know you coming over the top,
but I gotta keep on. I gotta keep on. See
the problem is with that, though, the problem is talk
to me.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
The problem that is is like for me and I'm
just gonna show this because of me, and you hit
the right. Yeah, so you throw a jab right first
jab first chair right, Okay, so I know that. So
if you do it my face I was looking at first, right,
the gonna throw it, throw it at my face.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Again, I'm gonna roll out. This is what I see.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Right next time you throw it again, gotta come come
up to the doors. Games I play, you feel them
come from. So I'm always looking for your jam because
that's what starts my thing.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Because what's the first punt you learn? You going to gym?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, So I got every kind of way possible to
get to that because you gotta throw that purpose. That's
when everybody was talking. So when I come out there
and say why he come out and leave you left
hook because I don't wanna give you my jam, so
you can get me, you feel me. But if I
can get you to reset my face with a jam, I.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Got you now.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, because if you you gotta remember now you can
touch my face there with a jam.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Let me I can touch you with a right hand
on left hooks right right. So I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Jam for that right here and left hook all day
because those are power punchers.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You feel them come from. Not a good thing, but
you is if you throw your jab.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You also bad back, and you and you and you
you feel me, So that's gonna be harder too. So
I can't get it as easy as I were with
most people because you know how to frame off your jair.
You'll throw your jab, but you also keep that frank
so you not not you staying set after, which would
have made it much harder for me to get to you.
Then I got the most pictures because you wasn't no
easy fix for not at all.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
How you gonna deal with it? I slipped in side money,
i'a let you still there? Yeah, yeah, I want that. Yeah,
when you come in out the call all over though,
and when I get you so ary from here. If
you do that and you get in here, and as
you get in here, I'm a perfect I get you here.
Now we can go to work. Yeah, but this is
what I do. This is my stuff. Then I used
to be I think I'm gonna be qua we hear me.
I thought I was gonna be qua we for a
(07:18):
long time. So that's what I love. So you decision, huh, decision.
Now I'm going for to kill you, going for the knockout.
I'm going for he ain't trying to see that tie
around I got. I gotta try. You ain't trying to
see that. I try to go for I kill. I
wouldn't look out of for me. The fans don't expect
(07:40):
a decision from me. Yeah, you feel me. I gotta
try to get the fans with it. And I ain't
gonna say it would't happen.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It wouldn't happened, but that's why I gotta try to
so like like like you said that though Bilter BFF
and bee Ball, we were expecting a great fight because
we thought Befall was an exceptional boxer and we thought
better Bierf was an exceptional pulture. However, at that big fight,
bv All change I mean better be a changed clothes.
He turned into a boxer instead of a punccher. Where
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the world had been used to seeing you as a boxer,
I mean as a puncher. So the world expects you
to bring that puncher to the fight. And let's see
how Bevall deals with that puncher.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You didn't. You changed him for a beef off fighting.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Which is why I gave beef All the note or
I would call him draw, cause you basically got pulled
into beef all fight except.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Rounding level and better Beer didn't do it nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's why I say you got pulled into be boss
fighting to except round the number.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So I think Bevall, you know, his body language and
stuff in certain rounds, I think gave him an opportunity
to say, well, maybe better be a you know, won
that round. So it's a couple of little rounds that
I think his body language is off. But to your point,
it wasn't an exciting fight, and that's.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Good for bev Off.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Of course, he lived to see another day by slowing
that fight down and making it like that. But better
be with that reputation, undisputed light heavyweight championshit brou you
gotta you, gotta, you gotta beat it who they say
you are twenty over twenty knockouts, which they were looking
for straight up. But but but the fans, they give
a puncher the benefit of the doubt and they say
it was a great fight or he did a great
(09:05):
job because of the anticipation that he gonna land. But
if a boxer fight that same fight, it's a boring fight.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Of course. Of course, so b Ball did what he
was supposed to do. He made it born. That's his job.
A better be supposed to do more than that. He didn't.
And I like better Beer. I like love both of them.
I like both of them. But that's what that's the facts.
Though I thought I thought that he had been a
draw or, I thought didn't do it. I didn't see
better Be doing nothing. I didn't. I didn't need that.
I'm gonna ask you this, though.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I got two fighters in mind that that I want
to hear and show me how you would have how
you would have fought them and faced up against them.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
One of them is somebody you fought already.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Okay, g manm Gmail was very difficult, right. The man
thing was she Man really wanted always want he was, Yeah,
he gonna go through it right.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And if you threw a right hand and you rolled
out to your right, he gonna jump in with the
right hand. He did exactly. He did it a lot,
so I don't stood there, so I started.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Doing the g Man was keeping Jimmy outside, staying away
from him, and force him.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
To throw the right and go outside the right and
take over that way. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But you gotta force him to throw that, cause that's
his best shot. If you let him wait the throw
when he want to, he gonna catch you with. But
if you go to it and make him throw it now,
he ain't gonna throw it because you can't help it.
Can you make it the throw?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
So if you did that, you make him do something
that that is out of character for him, cause he's
used to hiding it and sneaking up on you with.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
If you make him throw it now, you got on
your clock right, and that's how it the fuck.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But which I'm saying, a dude like that, though, you
gotta lest some of that steam off though, cause he
he coming first early. You can't get hit the first
four round with that that right hand, like he a
legitimate punch. You cannot get hit with the right hand
in the first full round. You cannot X not your man.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You almost had him out. You cannot get hit with
his right hand first four round. But I knew that.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So and they say he was mean too. He was,
he was, he was, But how would you would have
fought him in a twelve round fight?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Though I would have did uh same thing Marvin, I mean,
same thing ready none did to Marvin, and he he
was a little bit more, but I made him keep
moving around for the first four now cause he used to.
All he used to do is this, that's all he
wanna do. He gonna stuck you and put it on
you feel him come from. So he don't know how
to change up and do their or change. He don't
know how to do that really, So me knowing that
(11:14):
in the first four rounds, i'm'a box you pop here
now and then he's to bite it when I can.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But I'm just gonna kind of move around and give
you some feel me.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I got to because U a strawing puncher. It's like
same thing I kind of wish Devin with a deal
with gar See you you know what I'm saying. I mean,
if you know Garcia has a hook like that, don't
git what is not the first round?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
No, you can't.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Tank didn't give it to him the first round. Why
cause Tank knows he's a devastating puncher. Wait dreamed or not,
he's still a devastating puncher. Don't give it to him early.
That's his best shot. You give GM in the right
hand in the first three rounds of decided to look
for your brothers. What it was, so you just stay
away from them thirst three. Then you start the fighting
around four.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And you gotta.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah yep, cause he's in Maryland. In Maryland, how would
you apart Triple G? Because I always wanted him to
come up and fight, but he never will.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But I want to see that he ain't do that.
I don't get that. You always pound you was already
pound pound um one.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Especially any time Floyd retire Andre number one, they see
what they wanted to throw you one way class.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Under what you ain't on. It's a good question. So
I always wanted that, But how would you a part
of Look, I respect I respect collecting style.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You know what I'm saying. He h you can see
physically strong. You gotta respect that. And I said this before,
like my preference is a taller fighter, that's my preference.
A guy that's eye level, a guy that's a little
bit shorter, not really my preference. He's probably like he
probably a little bit shorter than me, a little bit
shorter than me. But I like how similar to COVID
LB but different. They keep everything compact right and they
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throw their.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Stuff in a certain spot exactly. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So it might have been for two, three, three going
into that seventh round, right, because my whole thing is
it's a twelve round fight and I'm establishing my distance,
my reign, and I'm doing stuff too.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You don't even know that's going on. I'm getting closer
with my feet, I'm getting in position.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So the first the first three rounds, he gonna come,
he gonna do, he gonna he gonna be in character.
And the thing that's gonna get him though, is the jab.
They ain't gonna be faster and a lot stronger than
what he think. My physical strength gonna be stronger than
what he thinks, and I'm gonna be hitting harder. So
it's gonna be a slow, incremental beat down.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Break down. But right around that seventh round inside, y'all go,
y'all go.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And the thing is is like as great as the
Russian fighters are, Ukrainian fighters are, most of them.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Can't say all of them.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I haven't seen one that number one knows how to
defend theyself inside because when I look at the school
that they come from, I've seen the videos. Everybody's doing
the same thing. Everybody's here, point system, everything is.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It, and they do that amazing they do.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
They look, man, it's beautiful, but they don't know how
to defend when somebody get up here, me and rain
and cause they don't.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Know how to defend.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Hence why the got beat Lomo Chico in the second
or third fight, right cause he got up in him
and Loman Chico didn't know how to deal with that.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
They don't know how to deal with that, so that
that would have been a difference between me and him.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Gotcha, you know, he physically strong, good compact punches, He tough.
He seemed to take a good shot. But it's just
some different stuff that's gonna be going on, right, ring.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Man, got you who else you got for me? Sugar? Right?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Linard Sugar Ete Linard Sugar raight lining that guy he
also almost just like how you said about me. I
never really wanted to fight him, but I did spot
with him one time. Oh yeah, yeah, I did spot
with him, and I went pretty good. He he he
hit me one time. The whole time, hit me one
left hook.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
That was it. Rest of the time, I kind of
did what I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
But the the best thing about it was that I
knew that for a fast fighting like him, the jab
is your problem. That's why Tommy gave him so many
problem the first fight.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Kept in fight.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, he can't stand the jab in his face. I
kind of just kept the jab cause if you didn't
move around, do wanna do? He gonna beat you because
he's very explosive and he's very mean. All I was
gonna say, you mean to me. People don't give him
enough credit. People always say, well, Floyda would be Sugar. No, baby,
Florida is not as near as mean as Sugar.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Think you the beating, Hey, you gonna keep him on fun.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Sugar is a dog. People don't just cause his name
Sugar don't mean nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Sugar is a dog.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
People don't give him enough credit for that. You gotta
think this is around between around thirteen and fourteen. I
think and say, you're blowing the sun. Sugar and linnle
guy went out there and put these things on time.
It hurts who knocked brows the red cold one shot.
Your timing hits you. You're like, g man, you've been hit.
So for Sugar to cour out there and do that, man,
they don't give Sugar enough credit.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You understand me. It's a great finish to they don't
give Sugar get you hurt. They don't.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
They don't give Sugar enough credits. So for me, I
like Floyd and Florida's cool, but it's like Florida Dinner
Live the fight. They're close to Sugar. Sugar kind of did.
What they want to do is Floydadner, and it's like
it's gonna be harf me to see how they gonna
take it and beat Sugar. I mean they they'd have
to do something different, that's for sure. Now, if he
did something different, he probably help a chance. But just
the way he been doing with normal people, that's not
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gonna work. Well when I saw in his prime, that's
not gonna work with Sugar, Sugar got something. I got
a third element right there, he said third he does,
he got a third element right there.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Now we know that.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
We say we think BOYD got but we don't know.
We ain't never seen the challenge. We know Sugar got one.
So you think, how you think that fight would have
went through?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Who floording? Sugar y'all too? Who me and Sugar y? Yeah? Think?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I think I I W I think I woulda beat
him if I would have fought him, But I probably
if they they probably could have never made me fight
him because I felt like I learned so much from
him too, And like, I think I took what I
thought he couldn't do well and I added that to
my game. So if Sugar didn't help me get to
be better than him, then it didn't do me no
good to have him as a guy that I looked
up to. You feel me, So it's like, I think
(16:54):
what I added would have probably made it a tough
fight for him.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I don't know. I think it was for your era
tho y'all was.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
He was obviously older, but I'm saying like he was
too far away, y'all wouldn't he would never know opportunity
to fight.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I would never know because because when could y'all even
done it? Even when he was old? I know you
wouldn't have, but I'm saying, what it y'alla? He was
gonna tear noise the time. Yeah, I came after Tyrany
Andre Durrell from twelve round like that's your man, right,
(17:25):
twelve rounds. Yeah, we had a sparing session. Yeah, howlet
go ole Mitchell got that tape. I'm trying to get
that tape. I've been trying to get that VHS man
for years.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Man, he uh, we only sparred three rounds and uh
speed you gotta deal with ain't nowhere around that. You're
gonna have to deal with that speed. You gotta deal
with him turning lefty right handed. Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And we split like one round a piece, and then
last round was probably even okay, you know what I'm saying.
But I think with Dourell, we'll be going back and
forth about this. I think ain't the real like.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It took me four or five rounds to slow him
down again. I maybe that maybe four to two going
into seven.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
He made me up a little bit because he gonna do.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
He gonna throw the punches, he gonna he gonna have
the flashy stuff. But man, I gotta I gotta just
be a dog in my mindset. I gotta just keep
touching the body with the jab. They didn't get that
stuff off. Three, four, five, say come right back with
the jab right twos and three, and I gotta gonna
be hitting that body every chance I get.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm coming on from the first round and then right
around that seventh eight round, that's when I try to
turn it on because that's how I train. I don't
train to fall off. I train to get stronger as
I go. How many time to tell you all that?
How man? Time to tell all that?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, the gym wasn't really fun, like it's it's
something something elements is cool, But like I used to have,
not to my stomach before I ran. The next day,
I didn't sleep because I knew, like, man, it's about
to be painful. I gotta run this hill, I gotta
I gotta run this lake just forur and a half mind.
But I'm not just gonna jog it. I'm pressing my
Everything was intense with me. That's how it felt, and
(19:01):
I knew I had to. I used to hate seeing
dudes fade, and if I hated it and the amateurs,
it was like my coach would be like, well, you
see this dude, he had to fight, he wanted to fight.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Look at him. Body language. We cared about all that
body language. How you finished all that?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So that's how I trained, and that would I think
that would have been a difference between me and brokes Man.
Durrell was probably one of the most talented fighters I've
ever seen, really just just raw talent, because he was
one hundred and twenty five pounds and the amage skinny
big fro and he'll be on the roads like this
dude be hitting him, and that dude a lit off
a clip, fIF things.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Turned this way. We'd just be looking like, man, it's
a little dude. Then seen for a little bit of
time came back that dude was one sixty five in
like a year. Wow. So middleway Wow, same speed, same
all that. So that stuff would have been. And we
were supposed to fight, bro, we were supposed to fight, and.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
The amateurs never happened. We thought we was gonna fight,
trying to get on the team.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It didn't happen. And then in Super six he didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Have If he beat there, if you would have beat
a it was next. Just wasn't meant It wasn't meant
to be the matter of course. Did you have a
North fight of name Warren McPherson, Yeah, I knew one.
They told me one was man one awesome talent two Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah. Wann uh w Wine was good man.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
He was He was tall and he uh he's a
great box He left handed and uh he fought burted
a couple of times for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
But he he the qualifier to get to to get
to position himself for the trials. All them nationals leading
up to they look unbeatable.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And we was in uh Tunica, Mississippi. First time I
ever seen cotton in my life, never seen a cotton field.
And you know, in the amateurs, you go to the
to the lobby, everybody kind of get there at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Then it's pulling up everybody getting in there. I mean
by saying, I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Wine pull up and wine normally clean cut waves, all
that dressing nice.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
He walked in there, man with a with a afro
looking lips all dark. I'm looking at wine like summer bro.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He's whatever happened from the time he qualified to the
time we got to the Olympic trials, it was all
bad because wine had good. He had some sponsors out
of Cleveland that was giving him a lot of money. Ah,
and we'd hear about it like good money. He lost it, man,
something happened. He got all tracked right good for them trials,
(21:36):
and he lost some stuff happened with I think uh
with with with Berto and disqualification.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
But the longest, longest long and short of it is.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You only heard of him and the images bro. But
he he was to me, he was like a terms
of his build. He was like a Tommy hearns even
like a Michael Nun were popped though in like physical strength,
great fighter year right before that biggest moment, Uh, he
got off track man and start tripping. Yeah, he pulled
(22:07):
up to the trials, but we ain't even know who
he was.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Sad, That's why I.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Heard I try to hit him as a pro for
a little while, but they never paying out.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I don't know why that stuff happened.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Sometimes maynhaw I do to be the guy in the amateurs,
but in the pros, it just don't.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
It don't fly.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That's a lot of things that happen a lot of
times with young guys and give give him too much money.
Places like Ohio they have a hard time deal with
that anyway. That's why the big baby moved out, because
you know, Hi, Ohio is a tough place to come
up in and it's a it's a lot of temptations
and most big cities are like like that, really, but
Ohio produced something the best fighters that I've seen. You
(22:42):
know what I'm saying that the Cleveland, Cincinnati them dude
be them, dude, be the truth you feel me. Yeah,
but they have a lot to deal with outside of
box crabsing it and they have a hard time making it,
but costs them crabs in the bucket.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So that's why I things happened to him. Yeah, I
seen that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I seen that with Cincinnati and boys raw Cincinnati Cleveland
recall a week.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, yep up. Hey man, it's gonna have you down here, bruh.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
If you Coo gave him experience of a lifetime. Man,
that's you always like I said, you said it took
you thirty years to get here. You always have been
welcome and you still are always welcomed to.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Come in time you want to, any time to a
good side. Bess a different thing.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Didn't see the bread got another bess for There's another
bess for that too.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
That's the other thing in the country too. Boy, anybody
get let off.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
It ain't no thing like you do that in my
in my neighborhood while living there, there'll go crazy. But
in the country, they like, I might give the heads
up because one of them got horses and stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So I let them know. But other than that, it's
it's free. It's free and the alligator eat everything. That's
the thing. R by Florida. Bruh, everybody of water. I'm
thinking that get some alligators in there. Man, you have
to h
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