The Bradshaw Enigma UFOs, Bigfoot & Ancient Clues with Juergen Hess

In this third installment of Rocky Mountain Ranch Research with Katie Paige, we head straight into the mysterious energy of the Bradshaw Ranch with someone who’s spent years documenting its strangeness firsthand. Katie is joined by Juergen Hess — experiencer, anomalous researcher, and PhD in Metaphysical Science — for an insider’s look into the bizarre activity surrounding one of the Southwest’s most infamous hot spots.

From UFO sightings and Bigfoot encounters to ancient petroglyphs and his time working with the legendary John Lear, Juergen brings a unique blend of personal experience and scientific inquiry to the table. Juergen’s Hoodoo Tall video series has drawn major attention for capturing real-time anomalies in the field, and his insights have also been featured on Alien Encounters: Fact or Fiction.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey everybody out there, thanks for being here. Happy Wednesday.
I hope you're all doing okay and surviving that old
world out there. It's kind of crazy, crazy time as
we're in. So tonight we have a great guest. But
before we get to Jurgen Hess I'm so excited to
have him here, just a couple reminders. I would like
to say that during the show live, we're going to

(00:23):
give three questions. We'll give you the clue when they're
coming up. We're making them easy for the first couple months,
so last week we didn't have anybody win, so I
hope that you can answer the questions. You just go
to Rockymountain Ranch Research dot org forward Slash Podcasts and
you fill out your answers right there, and I'll send you,
guys a free pdf just for watching. And if you

(00:46):
watch and you're consistent, you'll have a nice little collection
of really cool historical documents from back in the day.
So pay attention for that. Let's see what other announcements.
We just finished the twenty twenty five Snippy event in
the San Luis Valley and we already have the date
set for next year, so you know, you can't have
an excuse because I'm telling you the dates a year

(01:06):
in advance, so you can plan. But next August fourteenth
through the sixteenth, twenty twenty six, make plans to be
out there in the San Luis Valley. It was a
fantastic event, really great bonding, and it's so wonderful to
be on the out there in the great outdoors. You
could camp, you can bring your motor homes, or you
can stay in the hotels in Alamosa, whatever your desire,

(01:29):
you can be accommodated there in the San Luis Valley.
So I hope to see you guys out there next year.
What other announcements, I think that's it. I think I'm
really excited just to bring yourg in Hesse in here.
You're in hess is a PhD in metaphysical science. He
is an experiencer, which I'm anxious to hear about, and
he's also a great investigator. He's out there in Sedona, Arizona,

(01:50):
and I know you all know what a hot spot
that is, and he does a lot of work out
there at the Bradshaw Ranch. So another ranch this week,
and we're trying to connect these dots. So without further ado, Hey,
paranormal Paul, thanks for being here. Let's go ahead and
bring Jurgen in right to the stage. Hi you doing,
Thanks so much for being here.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Absolutely, it's my pleasure. It's always fun to be able
to share some evidence and just let people know that
this stuff is real.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
That's right. How long did it take you to get
to that point where you became a believer? Maybe you
always were a believer. I don't know, and I kind
of want to start there, like, how did you get involved?
What were your experiences? Can you kind of tell us
about that. I would love to see that.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
This is all John Lear's fault. For me, some strange
things were happening to me. Started at the age of
twenty four apartment I lived in, like weird things happening
at night, you know, things moving around not where I
left them. And then there was an instance where me

(03:00):
and I was driving in a car and me and
the passenger we should have crashed into a bunch of
other cars, but there was a flash of light and
suddenly we're just everything was fine, and we were driving
on the other side of the accident. And I started
to realize there was something more going on than I understood,
and it started to make me feel kind of like
a crazy person, to be honest, And there was only

(03:22):
one person I really loved listening to, and that was
John Lere on Coast to Coast when he had come on,
and one day I was in Las Vegas and John
would always say on the air, you know, he's not
hiding from anyone, and he lives in Vegas and he's
listed in the White Pages. And so a friend of
mine I was out there with, we're going to head home,
and I said, Hey, I want to get some nice,

(03:44):
expensive cigars and leave him in John's mailbox because John
always said he loves cigars. So I went and spent
like one hundred and fifty bucks on three cigars. We
look up the address, we go to John's house and
there's this giant gate around the house and there's no mailbox.
And I was like, okay, I don't want these things,
and I'm not going to just hug him over the fence.

(04:05):
So like, yeah, cigar. So he pauled the number listed
in the White Pages and John answered the phone, and
it was like this very surreal moment where I was
hearing the voice on the phone that I'd listened to
so many times and at that point the only time

(04:26):
I ever even tried to communicate with them was on
this old internet forum. And so I said, John, my
name is Jurigan. You don't know me. We talked on GLP,
which was the name of the form at the time,
and I brought you some cigars and he said, where
did we talk? And I said on this form. He said, oh,
you better come in, and the gates opened up and

(04:49):
we pulled up inside and went in the house. And
at that time John had this gigantic office in his
house that he spent all his time and just covered
in photographs, this big bank of TVs at his desk,
and it was like everything you would think John Lear's
office would look like, you know, it was like the
coolest place ever. And that first day we spent like

(05:11):
five or six hours with John, I don't know. And
he passed away now, and I'll never know why John
took to me so well, but I spent from that
point like fifteen years visiting John, hanging out. He became
my best friend and like a mentor. And he told
me that I meant a lot to him, which, like

(05:32):
I said, I don't know why, but I was grateful
to have that relationship with him. And so John talking
to me all the time about him and Bob Bazaar
and Area fifty one and showing me photos. You know,
I was pretty well convinced that the UFO phenomenon was real,
but I finally wanted to just see one. I wanted
to know it in my heart by seeing one. And

(05:53):
so I was trying to figure out a way to
do that, and John told me that he knew for
sure the incident in nineteen eighty and the Rendelstrom Forest.
He knew that was real. He said, he knew guys
on the base he talked to him. And so I
used that because in that incident, there was a coordinate
list given of like special places on the planet. You know,

(06:15):
it lists the Pyramids in Egypt, the Nasca lines in Peru,
all these things. And then oddly enough, it listed Sedona, Arizona,
when the other places there are these obvious ruins and things.
So I was like, well, why is Sedona listed? It
also happened to be the closest of the coordinates, so
that was nice, and so I decided to make a
trip out here. And I figured the worst that would

(06:38):
happen is I would have a fun camp trip because
it's beautiful out here and I liked camping, and so
we came out the first time we went on a
UFO toward night vision and saw I don't know, eighty
UFOs flying like it blew my mind and it became
an annual thing for me. Did I missed after that?
Like It took me a while the process, and about

(06:58):
two three years later I came back, and then I
started coming back every year. Then I started coming back
twice a year, and then I finally made the jump
to do what I had to do to move out
here so that I could see if I lived here
all the time with this phenomena, get to know me
and interact with me me more because each camp trip,

(07:19):
like the first one, I saw a bunch of UFOs,
and the second time I came back, I thought, oh,
I'm not going to see anything as cool as that,
and no, I saw more. And that would happen each time.
I would think, now I saw as much as I'm
going to see and then no, I'm surprised again by
what I was encountering. And it was the first camp
trip I made alone. So it's kind of funny because

(07:42):
you know, I'd bring friends that were campers, and after
a few trips, it started to get hard for me
to find people that would come with me because I'm like, yeah,
it's cool, we'll go camping. UFOs will fly over our
head and then you just go in your tent and
go to sleep, and they're like, no, no, I'm not
doing that. I'm not going to go sleep in a
time under UFO. So I came out alone, which was

(08:04):
hard for me because I used to have like crippling
anxiety and I didn't know if I could handle going
on a camp trip alone. I was like panicking just
thinking what am I going to do out there? And
so I decided the encounters were worth to face that anxiety,
and I feel like it actually helped me cure my anxiety.

(08:24):
That first trip alone. I got up that first morning
and I was like, oh my god, what am I
going to do today? And I realized I can do
whatever I want. There's nobody here to tell me what
I should or shouldn't do. I don't have to wait
for anyone else. And so I wanted to find a
petroglyph carving of a spiral because I know they're kind
of this important shape that's throughout a lot of the world.

(08:49):
And the only thing I had to go on was
an obscure post from a forest ranger on a defunct
ranger forum that showed a picture of a spiral carving,
and he told the forest Road that he had seen
it off of So I got up early that morning,
said I'm going it was raining, didn't care. I get
down there and I'm looking around and I start seeing

(09:11):
petroglyphs and I think it's really cool. And I see
this one and I was looking at I was like,
what the heck am I looking at? Because in the
center of it was this very tall creature with humans
around it. And the tall creature by its foot they
carved a big footprint. And I was looking at like,

(09:32):
is this a carving of a bigfoot or something like that?
And in that moment, I realized that it was heat soaked.
It was like one hundred and twenty degrees and I
was out of water, and I kind of had this
bit of a panic. I thought, Oh, I need to
get back to my car to get my water. So
I turned to go back and when I turned, I
was turning into the wind, and I smelled that smell

(09:54):
that people report, which is I mean to me, it
smelled like a dead body mixed with burnt hair and
burnt tires, like it was the most rank thing. And
I was like, oh my gosh, what is that that.
Calm down, Calm down, retrace your steps. Maybe there's a
dead skunk or something. Didn't smell like a skunk, but
I was trying to mellow myself out.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I smelled that smell, then I cried it like a
dead body.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, yeah, And so I followed my step my retraced
my steps, which was like maybe one hundred one hundred
and fifty yards, and I got to my starting point.
I didn't see anything, and you know, I was still
and I'm still trying to learn, but I was really
trying to understand intuition versus just like my creative board
of mind. And in that moment, it was like the

(10:41):
strongest intuitive hit I've had up to that point. And
it was just like, just go another thirty feet and
I was like, ah, that's weird. I was like, I
walked another thirty feet and there was a patch of
sand because most of this area was river rocks and
dry leaves, and there's a paw just sand with the
most perfect bigfoot footprint. I mean mid tart will break

(11:06):
wide heel, the toes had kicked the sand as it walked,
and next to it was knuckle prints. So it was
a night foot left hand knuckles and I was losing it.
I was like what And now, granted, you know, I
wasn't in a good state. I was on the verge
of heat stroke. So I took pictures and video and
you know they can see that in the first two

(11:28):
tall documentary and I kind of scrambled out of there,
got to my car, started drinking water, started to process it.
I was like, there's no way that there's a monkey
at like a monkey creature in the Arizona Desert. That
doesn't make sense. And you know, through my field work
out here, I've come to learn that these bigfoots are

(11:49):
not terrestrial. There's no way they could be. They do
things that, I mean, how could a terrestrial creature disappear
right in front of you? Or you know, they just
do a lot of strange things. So as I came
back on camp trips, the bigfoots kept harassing me, almost
like they were trying to show me that they were here.
Is so weird. After the first encounter they would come.

(12:12):
I would stay in the same campsite each year. It's
on the creek next to a tree line, nobody really around,
and at least once a camp trip they would come
through the site and walk through the creek or shake
the trees or grunt and growl. And I had to
try and embrace it. And that got to the point
where I was like, I need to see if there's

(12:32):
reports a bigfoot in Sedona. And that's what led me
to Tom Dongo and the Bradshaw Ranch. And I talked
to Tom the first time and he said, you know,
the ranch was super active, and he said that it's
been dead for a long time. He said, since they
moved off the property, there hasn't been any activity there.

(12:54):
And I said, I just want to go anyway. I'd
seen Tom's move on presentation and all the photos they
collect with him in Londa, and I just was blown
away by how much they gathered in one location and
I just wanted to see it. And the first time
I went, it was incredibly active. In hindsight, you know,

(13:15):
I didn't know what I was seeing at the time,
but you know, Linda Bradshaw had reported seeing dinosaurs on
the property, like long neck ones and the t Rex.
And that first trip there, I found footprints of the
long neck dinosaurs, I mean like elephant size tracks walking
through the mud. Later I'll find a t Rex footprint
fresh in the mud. And as I kept going to

(13:36):
the ranch, it has kind of embraced it and me,
the ranch and eye, which is weird to say. The
ranch and I have this ongoing experiences that are still developing.
It's still changing, and I'm just trying to do my
best to have the right intent when I go there,

(14:00):
which seems to be what causes these things to happen.
If you go to hunt bigfoot, it's really unlikely you're
going to encounter it. But I go out there hoping
to learn from it, thinking it's like Chewbacca and maybe
it'll give me a hug or a high five or
teach me something. And that seems to be the way
they react and kind of come out. And I'd say

(14:21):
when I'm there at night, it's maybe about forty percent
of the time now that one of them will come
out or let me know it's there. I've seen them
with my own eyes four times. I got that one
of the little ones. Let me take its picture one night.
And I've seen it once in the daytime, a twelve
foot one at the ranch, the other times ri Att

(14:43):
night and at the ranch, and also at the site
where I saw the Petrick Blyth. Yeah, that there, you know,
that one is about six and a half seven feet tall,
and it's crouched down at the end of the porch
of the Bradshaw Ranch, its eyes glowing. It's casting a
shadow on the house. It was physically there and that
I was taking photographs and I took five of them

(15:03):
in that area right there, and it's in five of them.
And the weird thing is the last two photographs, which
I haven't really shown much, the bodies disappeared and only
the head and eyeballs are left, as if it was
actually phasing out as I was shooting the photos. And
the first three the whole body is there, and in
the last two it's just down to a head and

(15:23):
glowing eyes.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
And to me, so you know, it just kind of
went to show me that, you know, it's not a monkey,
it's something more than we can understand. But I feed them.
They leave gifts. I put a chalkboard out outdraw symbols.
They've drawn symbols back a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
So paranormal Paw asked, do you speak these intentions out
loud when you get there? Or in your mind? I
know there's a great book called The Psychic Sasquatch. Have
you read that, Jurgen. It's a great book. I think
you'd really enjoy that one. But yeah, so do you
speak out loud or in your mind?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I actually do both. The way I go about it
is just kind of depends on how I'm feeling at
the moment. It's I feel like sometimes, I mean, I
don't know that you need to say it out loud,
because they know our intent I mean before we've even
gotten there. Like these things seem like they're a very

(16:24):
good judge of character, and like, for example, I often,
I mean, I've always collaborated with other people because having
witnesses and having other giving people the chance to have
the encounter themself. And so when I bring other people
out there with me, I take very special note of

(16:45):
how that person is and how the branch reacts when
they are there. And when you have one in the
group or just somebody comes out with you who's overly
skeptical or afraid, the activity goes down. And when you
get these very heart and mind open people that are
looking to mature themselves and raise their awareness, even without

(17:08):
saying it out loud, that seems to be when the
encounters happen. But I also say it out loud sometimes,
especially you know, when I'm have a camera on with
the UFOs. You know, the reason I was on the
Discovery Channel is because I found a way to mount
my camera to night military night vision. So I filmed
the UFOs through the Gen three night vision and the

(17:31):
first night I did this, when I got a response,
I was out had my camera hooked up. I was
the only one with night vision at the time, and
two women next to me were talking about the UFOs saying,
you know, I wonder if they want to connect with
us consciously, and so I was filming one at the
time and I thought, I'm just going to ask it,
and so out loud on camera, I say, flash, if

(17:55):
you want to connect with us, and this thing boom,
flash is really right, And I was like, oh my gosh.
And the next time I tried it, I was out
filming the night vision again and there was this craft
kind of slowly going by, and it had discharged a
bright light. So to me, I thought, okay, that one
has the ability to make a flash. I want to

(18:17):
try asking it questions because maybe it'll answer again. So
the first thing I said was flash for yes. And
I think the first question I asked was do you
know who I am? And went bang, and I was like,
oh my gosh, do it again, bang? And I was
like uh, And I didn't even know what to say
at that point, so I started asking in some questions.

(18:38):
It would give a dull glow for no and a
big bright flash for yes. And it ended with me
asking this thing if it could come back in formation
and said yes. I said can you come back as
two and said yes. I shut the camera off about
ninety seconds later two of the and this was a

(18:59):
night where there was a so it's really hard to
see things, and it came back so bright in a
pair that everyone around me without night vision could easily
see it. And it just made this amazing fly by,
nice and slow, and it kind of really set into
me that they're not necessarily aliens from another planet that

(19:24):
evolved on their own and saw Earth and they were like,
let's go see what's down there. It had to be
something else one because there's too many of them in
the sky out here for that. And secondly, there they
seemed to know what we're thinking. And I was like,
that's and not only that, but if an alien was
on a planet one hundred you know, like one hundred

(19:47):
million light years away and they look at Earth, they're
going to see Earth one hundred million years ago. They're
not gonna see how looks now because the lighthouse travels.
So if they were that far away look at Earth,
they wouldn't see humans here to begin with, So why
would they think, let's go look at the humans there?
So it really kind of opened my awareness to what

(20:09):
these things could possibly be. And I started asking people,
why do you think UFOs are an alien from another planet?
And you know what everyone responses, I don't know. I
was like, that's strange, right that we make that association,
but we have no idea why we're even making that association.

(20:31):
And so I haven't read that book that you mentioned,
but it's because I wanted to take the stuff John
Leeir had taught me and take it into the field.
I was trying to let the evidence and my experiences
tell me the story, and so I haven't really tried
to consume too many TV shows or too many books

(20:54):
because I just didn't want it to change my perspective
to something else. Really wanted to just let the experiences
be the puzzle pieces, and when I get enough of
them and put them together, the truth will be the
picture that the experience has painted themselves. Yeah, and you know,

(21:15):
and I encourage everyone to talk about their stories and
things like that too, But for me, the reason I
share it isn't to change anyone's opinion. It's not to
convince anyone of anything. It's just to reach maybe the
three or four people out there that were like me,
strange things were happening to them. They didn't know how

(21:37):
to understand it, they were getting anxiety from it or
feeling crazy. And if I can just reach those few
people that are probably in the back of the room
and didn't even know if they should be there and
give them some peace, that's what I needed. So that's
kind of why I reach out sometimes and try to

(21:57):
share some things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, Well, there's a lot to unpack there, and I
just have so many questions that are bubbling up. First
of all, we talked a little bit before the podcast,
and I remember now we first met in Las Vegas.
I went to David Scott's event, and it just happened
to be that weekend that John Lear had a service.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, that was a guneral, right.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
So was honored to be able to attend that. So
that was really cool and sad and just amazing at
the same time. So I did honor to know him, Yeah,
like you did. But I have a question really really quickly.
You're you're one event. I think you said you were
twenty three years old and twenty four years old, off

(22:40):
by a year, and you said you thought you were
going to get a car accident. Was there a time shift?
I mean, you found yourself going the other way? Do
you feel like you went through a vortex? What do
you feel happened there? And how does that impact your
view of what reality is? I mean, did that did

(23:00):
that causey to go down that rabbit hole at all?

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So we were driving in the fast lane. There were
six cars in front of us at a dead stop
with a fender bender, and we didn't notice it till
the last minute. And I was still going about sixty
miles an hour when we were like ten feet away
from all these cars, and the only thing I could
think was to try and wedge my truck in the
middle of the cars because the air bag sensors are

(23:25):
in the corner and I could trigger the air bags.
And the last thing I said to my passenger was
we're going to hit. I grabbed the steering wheel and
cranked it to the side and stood on the brakes.
We heard a screech, and then the next thing we know,
we're sitting upright in my truck again, now in the
car pool lane, going eighty miles an hour, perfectly straight,
and nothing was wrong with nothing touched us, wasn't a

(23:47):
scratch on us or the vehicle. And that was one
of the first things I asked John when I met him,
and he said, oh, yeah, the Grays did it. And
I was like what he said, Yeah, he said, you know,
the grays aren't aliens. He said, they're more like androids.
These things they don't have a soul. They're pre programmed

(24:08):
to do the work of the ets, the higher level beings.
And he said, so when something in your life almost
happens that isn't supposed to happen, they stop it from
happening or they'll make something happen that's supposed to happen
to you. And so that's the catalyst for me that
got me to try and understand what these beings were

(24:32):
aside from aliens from another planet.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
You know, that's so interesting. So we popped up question
number one. We'll pop it up again for a second,
and then here in another five minutes we'll pop up
question number two. So another interesting. So you mentioned, you
know that if you visited Sedona more often time and
time again, it seemed to get a personal connection to you.

(24:58):
Do you feel that that still occurring? And now that
you've moved how long have you been in Sedona now permanently.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
A little over three years now? Okay?

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Is that still increasing? I mean we all know that
such a spiritual, high energetic area, and do you feel
this personal connection is still happening? And have you if
so too, both with sasquatch and or extraterrestrial beings. Do
you have a certain connection to certain ones or anybody

(25:28):
by name? Do you get downloads? Right?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I meet so many awesome people out here that have
these abilities like you're talking about, and I try really
hard to have an open mind, but my feet firmly
on the ground. And I was telling somebody the other night,
I have an open mind, but not so open that

(25:53):
my brain falls out. And it's because I want to
have encounters and things that I can back up. You know,
if something strange happens, I take a lot of time
to try to process it. I don't share everything because
a lot of it could just be a story that's
made up. And I wanted to try to attain my

(26:17):
PhD on this subject, and in doing that, I had
to retrain the way I think the way I was
doing things, because you have to back up everything that's happening.
And oddly enough, the experiences are still growing in the
sense that they're giving me more evidence to back up

(26:38):
more stuff. I can't say I really get that those
type of downloads, people around me get them. I don't
really have a psychic ability, but I bring those people
out in the field with me because I want to
see what they can get and see how well it
lines up with what is actually happening on the ground

(26:59):
and in the sky. And because I know people that
can see bigfoots etherically, but I can't. I only see
them when it's a hairy thing in front of me,
and so I collaborate with those people because I never
was under the impression I could figure this stuff out
of my own. You know, it's going to take a
collective effort if we're ever going to get anywhere with

(27:21):
this kind of stuff. Yeah, and so yeah, for me,
the encounters still grow. Like just about a month and
a half ago, I've joined like a crew Longhorn Paranormal.
They asked me to become a member of their team
and kind of open them up to more than ghosts,

(27:42):
and so we did. It should be out pretty soon too.
We went to the ranch and set up for forty
eight hours straight and we yeah, it was amazing. We
had Wi Fi, so we had one laptop that tracks
every satellite out there, and we had won the tracks
every plane. So as we were seeing things in the sky,

(28:03):
we had coms. We could radio it to the tent
and they could tell us if there was a satellite.
There really aren't that many satellites out here, and so
this night in particular, we did have something new happen,
and I was thrilled because it showed me that I
should be working with this team. If we went out
there and nothing happened when they were there, I'd be
a little you know, I wouldn't be as motivated to

(28:25):
work with them. But we go out there, me and
a few other people. I became friends with this great
remote viewer named Julia Kaman, so she was out there too.
We were on one hillside and I sent Jen who
founded Longhorn Paranormal Nicole and Simon these two other people

(28:45):
on a different hill. So there's a spot out there
I found that a UFO landed on, and actually just
a UFO landed in the same site on Monday. But
I did some bigfoot calls and I told them, okay,
start walking up the hill over there. And as soon
as they started walking up the hill, they started getting
rocks thrown at them, and that had never happened in

(29:06):
all the years I've been out here. Poor Nicole she
slipped when she was walking on the hill and a
rock ended up hitting her in the shoulder and like
leaving a dirt mark on her arm. And I told her,
I was like, I'm surprised it hit you, and she
told me no, I actually slipped into the movement of rock.
And they were radioing back like should we stop, what

(29:26):
should we do? I said, absolutely don't stop, keep going
because hopefully it'll throw some more. And we got some
a one gold footage of rock being thrown at Gen
on camera. I mean, it falls down right in front
of the camera. It's amazing. And it happened for the
next two more saturdays after that, and then it stopped.

(29:48):
So I don't know if there was just a new
Bigfoot in the area and it was kind of pulling pranks.
They do seem to have a sense of humor sometimes.
I don't think the bigfoots are ever going to let
me understand what they are, but they it's like they
leave breadcrumbs just to keep you going and keep you
interested for some reason.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Do you think bigfoot is connected to UFO or ORP sidings?
Are they interconnected or.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
From what I've seen, the Bigfoot have UFOs, they don't
seem to need to use them though they can just
disappear right in front of you. I mean, the daytime
sighting I had, it was at the ranch and I
was sitting there and I looked across the orchard where
there's a nice panel of green trees, and suddenly there

(30:35):
was this brown thing there and I'm looking at it
and I'm like, no, I'm like, where did a bunch
of dead branches just get stacked up in the shape
of a bigfoot? What am I looking at? And then
it turned and started walking. When I got to a tree,
walked behind it, and it was gone, like it just
completely vanished behind the tree, and there was no type

(30:57):
of craft around or anything unless it was all cloaked.
But they don't seem to need a UFO. They can
walk through walls. I've found footprints that the footprint line
goes through a tree trunk like there's feet and then
there's a tree grown right there, but they didn't care.
They just kept walking right through the tree.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
And so interesting that they I mean, why do you
think you're again that? I mean, we were just at
the Bigfoot Museum today in Bailey, Colorado, Jim Myers Place,
so I have a bigfoot fresh on the brain, so
you know, I agree with what you're saying that it's
like they're interdimensional creatures. They can blink out, but yet

(31:39):
they show themselves from time to time leave a few tracks,
right just like Arky Mountain range or they yeah in
prints but only you And then why do they why
do you think they do that? Do they need to
to kind of materialize to either be or pranksters or
what do you think is going on there? It's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
So I when Damlear died, he gave me his source
of information, and I recommend everybody read this guy's stuff.
His name is Lou Balden, and Lou has been gracious
enough to keep in touch with me and answer my

(32:23):
deepest questions when I have him, because I like to
have the opportunities to like do some critical thinking. But
this subject is so bizarre that I get to this
point where I'm like, I just need to figure out
what's really going on. I asked Lou about the Bigfoots,
and I'm sure a lot of people are not gonna

(32:43):
like this, but this is just what he told me,
and it does seem to kind of explain that behavior.
He said, well, they are native to Mars, which is
oddly enough, is what the hope, he say, And he said,
they visit a lot of different planets, but when they
get to a new planet, you know, when they get

(33:04):
to the planet, they need certain fluids from natives of
that planet so their body can adapt and so right,
and you know that it's going to be far out
there for people but honestly, as I thought about it,
the ranch will go quiet for a whole month, and

(33:25):
then I'll go out there and get a bigfoot trying
to get my attention, and I'm like, well, where have
you been this whole time? You know, like why does it?
What is going on? And like one day I found
a bunch of bricks and I stacked them up, thinking
of rearrangement. No, it's stacked a bunch of logs up,
and I'm like, Okay, that doesn't make any sense. And
these are logs too big for a person to pick up.

(33:48):
And when lou had mentioned that to me, and I thought, well,
that would explain why they do this random thing every
now and then, you know, maybe a new group of
them got here and they need to have that encounter
with us. He did tell that, he didn't say that
we'll never remember that encounter. He said. They are kind

(34:11):
of taking us and doing getting from us what they need,
he said, but we're not going to remember it. And
so I have had missing time at the ranch a
number of times that I've noticed, probably more times that
I haven't noticed. And so I have to take those
things into consideration and see what are the encounters lining

(34:32):
up with as far as you know, and so at
this point that could be very well true. That that's
what that's why they just give us a little bit
here and there. They need something from us.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, this hour is whizzing by. I'm learning so much
from me that it's a great conversation. And before we
run out of time, let's go through some of these
photos that you shared. I love just I'll pop them
up and if you can and kind of talk us
through each one. So what we're looking at, I'm gonna
go ahead and puppies.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
So this one. Yeah. So one of the things I
like to do is teach people how they can also
get evidence, and so with UFOs, the best way I
found is to do long exposure photographs. So I do
thirty second exposures with my cell phone on a tripod.
And I like this one so much because what happens
when the UFO flies by is it leaves a white

(35:26):
line where it was. And in this shot here, the
UFO was nice enough to change its trajectory to actually
stay within my camera frame so you could see it
with flying kind of toward the edge there. And then
when I got to the edge of my camera. It
started going up and down like it was trying to
stay within the shot, and I just kind of blew

(35:47):
my mind after I had shot the photo, because I
could see it fine, and I was like, Wow, what
did you do that for? And then I look at
the picture and I'm like, no way, is it like
trying to help me get a picture of it? And
you can get some really incredible UFO pictures with long exposure.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, that's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Okay, Next, so this is a good one too because
it shows what an airplane looks like compared to a UFO.
So the streak in the middle there, that's UFO, and
off to the right you can see the dotted line
of an airplane because all aircraft, helicopters, airplane have strobe lights,

(36:25):
so when you shoot these exposures, you can clearly see
the strobe lights there, but the UFO in the middle.
The reason I like this one is because I caught
this one as it entered into the atmosphere, and on
the far right of the line you can see how
it kind of phased in. It's this kind of weird

(36:46):
wavy milkiness and then bang turns into a light, starts
going and even at the end on the left, it
kind of did that as it disappeared too, and it
just goes to show you it wasn't the iss or
something like that. These things, you know, you can catch
cool pictures of the space station, but these crafts. Yeah, yeah,
these craft act in much different ways than that.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, that's that's a great shot that you can compare
the two. I mean you see the like configuration of
the aircraft there and the weird squiggly that's really unusual.
That's a good shot.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
All right. So these things, this is at the Bradshaw
Ranch and there's a there's a few of these and
Tom Dongo and I have talked a lot about this.
Some people call them skyfish or other things like that,
and they are this incredibly weird phenomena that appears and
we're not sure what they are other than they're traveling

(37:40):
incredibly fast and usually spiraling. Tom told me he thinks
it's some kind of entity. Yeah, Like that thing was
moving so fat and you can see the spiral of
it going by. Uh, you can catch these quite a bit.
That it's not a bug. I have picked up pictures
of bugs in this process. And by the way, these

(38:03):
photos are not long exposure. This is a simple one
shot flash photo. And the way I take that approaches
for pictures of things on the ground, I take three
photos in succession, and it's when you catch something and
only one of the photos then you really start to
look at it. If it's in all of them, you know,

(38:24):
it could be something on the lens, it could be
something actually there. But when something manifests and just one
of the photos, you've really started got to start looking
at it. And that thing is going really fast to
cover that distance in an instant.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Right, And by the way, was it Beno from Oz?
I agree with you. Jurgen is a great guest. All right,
let's go to this one here.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
This is another kind of little light being out at
the ranch that just these things appear and disappear really quick.
It isn't always easy to get a photo of them.
That one was pretty close to the camera and it
wasn't quite an orb It was more of those weird

(39:11):
lines skyfish kind of things.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, what is the status of the ranch right now?
What's going on with somebody there? No?

Speaker 2 (39:22):
No, it's least the government owns it and they lease
it to Northern Arizona. University and they're doing agricultural study there,
which when I first started going there, I didn't know
if that was real. But I've run into the university
people there three times now and seen them planting seeds
and everything, so I mean, they're really there and they're
really doing that. The first time I saw them there,

(39:46):
I was kind of hesitant. I was like, Okay, feel
this out. The government lets them use a vehicle when
they're out there. They're in a vehicle with a government plate,
which will throw people off, and some people just like
to feed conspiracy, so they see a government plate and
they run wild, making stuff up. But I stayed there.
There was a person down there. I waited till she

(40:06):
came out that first time. It was actually a special
needs woman. And there's crystals nearby at the ranch, so
I had crystals in my hand and I said, oh,
you here collecting crystals too, and she looked at me.
She's like, no, I'm planning seeds in that planning area,
and I was like, oh okay. And then like the
third time we saw him out there, we were on
the ranch and they didn't care. Just don't mess with

(40:28):
their area. Their area is clearly fenced off and we
I've never tried to go in there, have no reason to.
I just try to use the areas that are open,
and you know that I'm allowed to be.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
In be respectful people.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Here, what do we have in this one? Is that
one of those same Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, another one of those weird little entities that come
zooming around as you're as you're out there. Like I said,
sometimes you don't because they move so quickly, and when
I get a photo of it, I kind of feel
a little bit lucky. And there's been times when we're
out there with people and a line like that will
follow just one person or in each picture like the

(41:09):
line will only be by them or hovering above them
or behind them, so they can get strange. But unfortunately,
ninety five percent of the time I'm out there, I'm
out there alone, so there aren't many people in the photographs.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, that's so interesting and that's such an important part.
And you touched on it earlier. You packed a lot
in there, but you talked about, you know, the right
intention and how important that is to have the right
group of people, and that kind of speaks to what
role do people play in manifesting either paranormal, UFO cryptid
and what role do you think, I mean, do you

(41:43):
think that's an important factor? And do you think we
can manifest the activity do you think that as part
of the deal.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Thousand So nothing, nothing strange happened on the Bradshaw ranch
until Linda Bradshaw moved there. And that's so that has
to say a lot. I mean, she was a catalyst
and when she when they left, it stopped. So you
know the book Merging Dimensions and her and Tom and
all the research they did together, it is because Linda

(42:11):
was there. And so in my dissertation, I talk about
how your level of awareness is going to affect what
you encounter. And for those of us that are on
this spiritual journey of trying to mature our soul, as
we progress down that journey, you're gonna start having encounters
with these things because there are more of our cheerleaders,

(42:35):
like the ones encouraging us to grow up and get
over ourselves and become something bigger than an individual and
join them up there eventually when we die. You could
call them angels if you're very Christian. It's the same concept.
Some people call them guardians. Or watchers or things like that.
And you can imagine if think of students in school

(42:56):
and there are tutors available that will help them, Well,
the twos are going to help the students that are
applying themselves more so than the kid that doesn't show
up to school. So if we're applying ourselves in the
Earth process, the helpers are going to start helping us. Yeah,
this picture is great. So I was out shooting photos
and a UFO came by and it stopped and hid

(43:20):
right in front of the planet Mars. The big bright
light in the middle is planet Mars. This is cropped
in and I knew it had done that, So I
set my camera up and I asked the craft if
they could do a little dance for me, And that
crazy line around it is what the craft did in
thirty seconds after I asked it if they could do
a little dance.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Wow, that's a great shot.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Et.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you, by the way, as
far as see I agree. I'm one hundred percent experience
and more things now in middle aged like when I
was a kid. Absolutely I agree with you as well.
You're again, I think we are an important part of
the phenomenon. I think, yeah, we're curious beings, and then

(44:04):
I think we can manifest the now. This is an
interesting shot here. I want your take on it before
I comment on it. But tell us about this one.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
This is a photo I took at the Bradshaw Ranch.
The white square in the bottom that's the roof of
the house, which is like a tin roof, And this
shot was I think a fifteen second exposure. And the
photos normally have full color in them or complete black

(44:36):
with stars. This is one of the strangest photos I've
ever seen at the ranch. First of all, there's two
things in the sky, the weird bright lights, you know.
One it kind of looks like a squid or I
called them sprites because I wasn't exactly sure what those
two things in the sky were. But something was hovering above,

(44:57):
out of frame and completely illuminating the roof of the
house right there and causing all this light distortion and
disturbance in the photo that I have been unable to
replicate in any other photographs. Whatever was around me that night,
I could not see it with my eyes. When I
shot that photo, I didn't think anything weird was happening,

(45:19):
which granted could have been missing time. You know, maybe
I was just blanked out in the instant that that happened.
But when I saw that photo, I was kind of
in disbelief at what I had captured.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, yeah, it almost jelly what.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
People think about it?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, you know, skywatchers are calling in. Are you familiar
with the skywatcher program? And they're capturing all these very
similar type of things in different locations, and one of
them is the jellyfish, and that that one, from what
I can see, looks like a bit You're absolutely right,
Space quid A love it a little bit too. And

(45:55):
is that are those two spotlights or contrails? You see
the lights kind of doing this?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
That was clear skies. There's no light source out there
at all. I have no idea what the long streak
beams were coming from. Not a clue.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
So you didn't see that with your naked eye.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
No, no, And in fact, Monday night the sighting we
had Monday night. So I've actually teamed up with the
Bradshaw family and helping them with tours through Sedona jeep
tours what they own, and so we do a nighttime
tour and we go to this hillside by the ranch
and we had night vision, and Monday night we're out
there with three guests and suddenly this incredibly bright, like

(46:41):
when you're looking through night and vision. It was almost
going to burn out the night vision. It was so bright.
It was landed on the hillside next to the ranch,
and when you take the goggles down, you could not
see it at all. Goggles up, this like a sun
moved the goggles down and you couldn't see it. And
then I decided to hold my camera up and try
to rec and right as I start recording it, it

(47:02):
just immediately shut off and disappeared that.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
You sent me. Now, hopefully I can play it's pretty short,
but I know people, I need to spend the money
and get the faster speed, but dang it is it
is pretty costly for the advanced starlink here, so I
need to do it because I don't like this glitch now,
But let's try and give it a shot. So fingers
crossed we could play this. And when was this like three,

(47:27):
like last weekend or something.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Well this was two days ago.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Two days ago. All right, let's give it a shot.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Okay, So that is on the ground, I mean right
at the Bradshaw Ranch and it should not be.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
It blinked out. Come on play play, it's only like
sixteen seconds.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I did post it on my Instagram, which is at
a baby raven and so you can go there and
you can see the And then the next day I
hiked out to the location on the hillside where we
saw it from and sure enough there's a big circle
burned into the ground.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
So, whoa did you measure that circle?

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, it's actually not the first time a craft is
landed there. Originally a craft landed there maybe about a
year ago. The circle is twenty six feet by twenty
eight feet and it burned a tree, like destroyed a
tree that had a six foot wide trunk. And there's
another dead tree that the branches come right up to
the edge of the burned circle. And this tree with

(48:32):
dead branches nothing on its completely fine, interesting, but the
massive tree is decimated. And so as I've been monitoring
that location, Geiger counters about three times higher than the
surrounding area, and an extreme plant growth occurred within the
landing site, and then it had plants growing in it
that were not growing in the surrounding area. And so

(48:55):
yesterday I tried to track from the hillside. Where did
we see that light? And when I looked, I was like, no, way,
it's at the same place. And so I hiked back
out there. And now the plant growth that was there
a few weeks ago had once again been destroyed in
a bit smaller of an area, maybe eighteen feet across
this time, so it looked like a smaller craw like

(49:16):
the one we saw Monday, was smaller than the first one,
or at least left a smaller impression in the ground
than the first one.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
You have. That's so interesting. Now, I know this might
be an ignorant question, but honestly, I haven't really looked
into the Sedona area for animal mutilations. Have there been
any in that area?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
No? That was one of the first things I asked
Tom Dongo because I knew I wasn't going to find
people to go to the ranch with me originally, and
I asked him, is it's safe for me to even
do this, like I'm going to go there a night alone?
He said, absolutely, it's safe. Nothing on the ranch has
been hurt. There's never been any cat or any kind
of mutilations of animals. Nothing getting hurt, no people getting hurt,

(49:58):
but he did tell me to stay out of Sycamore Canyon,
which is, you know, a few miles out. He said,
you know, don't go into Sycamore at night, and definitely
don't go alone. And one of the weirdest stories he
told me about Sycamore is him and five six other
people run a hillside nearby out there, and he said,
all the group during the day they watched a pterodactyl

(50:22):
fly out of Sycamore Candy. And you know, Tom had
no reason to lie to me. You know, he's a
friend of mine and we sit down and trade experiences.
So yeah, I don't know Sycamore Canyon. I've been in
there now in the daytime a few times, because you
can't go swimming and stuff down in there. I haven't
hiked too deep into the canyon. But one of the
Bradshaws was abducted one night when they lived on the branch,

(50:44):
and he was dropped off in Sycamore Canyon, and he
was so afraid of what was around him he got
into the freezing cold river and swam two miles out
of the canyon just to avoid all the stuff that
was on the ground around him. I'm not that experience.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
So yeah, I've heard of pterodactyl sightings and cryptid bird sightings,
you know, in those high locations, so it really doesn't
surprise me. So Beno from OZ, I hope I'm saying
that right nineteen seventy five. I love the seventies. So
he wants to know if the nodes were microwaved or
if you've checked for any of those you know, kind
of telltale signs of crop circle evidence.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Oh no, you know what, Actually I haven't, but I will.
I'll go do that. I'll go take a look, especially
in that burn circle and whatever's left of the plants there.
I'll take a look and see if we can't see anything.
I know what you mean by the notes. I've looked
into that quite a bit. In fact, Aj from the
WI Files his episode on crop circles got me into

(51:45):
crop circles again, Like I kind of forgot about it
until I saw that episode. So yeah, I'll check that out.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah, it's interesting to know that we had doctor Pearson
on UAP studies and he did his dissertation on the
UFO phenomenon just like you did. You're in in one
of his fighting sightings or findings for the disc shaped
craft where this were these seventy five foot circles, and

(52:11):
I'm I know, we only have maybe what six minutes left,
but can you kind of talk about your dissertation and
what were your key findings?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Right? So, there was a few points that I wanted
to make in it, and I had gathered enough evidence
in the field out here to actually make, you know,
back it up and explain it. And to me, it
was very weird because you know, I was going to
put together a dissertation on a subject most people don't

(52:43):
even think it is real, and I thought they were
going to tell me I'm a moron. Instead they're like,
you're a doctor. So one of the points I made
was about your awareness level and that these are more
like our guardians and our helpers than things from another
planet trying to study us. They're not trying to study us,
they're trying to help us. And helping us is us

(53:07):
getting rid of envy, hate and greed and learning to
live with integrity. That's really all we need to do.
It's hard to get or it's easy to get kind
of wrapped up so deep into the UFO stuff and
everything that we forget to do the earth stuff. I mean,
we're on Earth, right, you know, we gotta keep remembering

(53:28):
to do the earth stuff. But it's so much fun
to do the UFO stuff, So you kind of got
to do a little bit of both. And another thing
that I thought would be helpful in presenting the evidence
in there is there's you know, experiencers, especially with the
UFO phenomena and what are called abductions, it's a very

(53:51):
traumatic experience. I've had three that I remember. They weren't
that traumatic for me, but they're very jarring and very
like what the heck now for a lot of people.
They're traumatic, and after the experience is over, they try
to get help and they get a second wave of
trauma from the ridicule and everything else they face. And

(54:14):
so if there's some of us out there being able
to show the phenomenon is real, maybe we can start
to get rid of that second wave of trauma these
people are having to deal with and actually be able
to give these people some help and clarity and get
them to a place where they understand it a little
better and know that it's not something to be so

(54:36):
afraid of. You know, we're afraid of things we don't understand,
and we don't know about and we're not taught this
stuff in any kind of logical understanding way, and so
most people are just going to be afraid of it
all the time. Well, if we can start doing it
that it's real, then it kind of starts to eliminate
the fear a little bit. It did that for me,

(54:57):
and that is a big part of it. And also
just explaining, you know, some personal relevance with me and
John and how John was always able to explain things
to me in a way I could actually understand and
digest it. And you know, I hope to be a
reflection of that for John. I don't know if you

(55:17):
remember I was the only one at its vuneral wearing
a tin foil hat.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I think us An Alloway says it the best. Just
be love, I mean, is a golden We all learned
the golden rule in elementary school, probably kindergarten preschool. Do
unto others? Is it that difficult?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
People?

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Come on? It seems to be be problematic for so many.
But agree with you more. And I love that you've
had such a great mentor in John Lear. I think
we all need mentors like that. For me, doctor Leo Sprinkle,
And I think, you know, for all those people out there,

(55:57):
be open to mentoring others. And I love that, you know,
that's why you're here talking. And you know you shared
with me before the show that you know you get
to a point where hey, I need to share the evidence,
share the photos. I love that when I was showing
these photos, You're like, I like to teach people how
to capture something. So it is about teaching and giving back.

(56:18):
So with you know, four minutes left, you know, how
what would you like to tell the folks out there?
How would you like to finish out? Do you have
anything coming up you like to share your closing thoughts?

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah. One interesting thing is that I met I was
at the Tesla Tech convention in New Mexico a few
weeks ago, and I got to meet Terrence Howard, who
you know is an Oscar winning actor. He's kind of
come out with this new geometry concept and uh, he
and I sat and talked for a while, and we're

(56:52):
actually going to start collaborating quite a bit. And I'm
going to bring some of his geometric shapes out to
the ranch and see how the UFOs react to them,
and see how the Bigfoots react to the stuff he's made.
So that's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm gonna
sit and have lunch with him. I'm going back to
California this weekend for my mom's birthday. So if Terence
and I are gonna sit down, I'm gonna get one

(57:13):
of the models and we're gonna I'm gonna bring it
back and we're gonna see what happens when we do that.
And also, you know, to anybody who was like me
a bunch of years ago that we're pretty sure UFOs
were real but just wanted to see one, Yeah, just
come out to Sedona. Make that your next vacation. How

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could going anywhere else be more thrilling than going to
a place where UFOs are flying around. I still feel
like Ray in the movie Star Wars, sitting there, She's
watching the spacecraft coming and leave them from the spaceport
at night out here, or send me a message on
Instagram and tell me you're gonna be here. Let's go.
You know, I do that with people all the time
because John Lear did that for me. You know, I

(57:55):
had to reach out to him blindly, and so I
feel it's makes sense for me to do that to
anybody else who wants to do this now too.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
I love that. And your Instagram is right there at
baby Raven, so reach out to him, he offers, So
take him up on it. What is your mom's name?
What is your mom's name? Your first name? Oh, Kathy,
Happy birthday, Kathy. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
When we're in contact in the desert, I posted a
picture that Josh Gates was going to be there, and
my mom text me like five minutes later, she's like,
oh my gosh, you're going to meet Josh Gates and
I'm like, probably not. And then we went to his
little meet and greet. And when I was there, when
I met Josh, I had him film a video to
my mom because she said I watch the show all

(58:44):
the time. I was like, you do, and so I
had Josh say hi, Kathy, thanks for watching, and she
had made her so happy, so she'll be thrilled that
he did that.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, well, that's amazing. That's awesome. Yeah, I know, I
hope to see a lot of you next year's contact
because they were will be another one. So that's always
such a great event. I can't thank you enough for
being here and you know I'm gonna have to have
you back on now to see how these geometric experiments
go out there at Bradshaw Ranch, and I know you

(59:14):
keep capturing evidence and that's so important. So again, thank
you for being here. I hope you all check out
his work. You mentioned there's a documentary that you can
kind of see are different little episodes.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
If they go on YouTube and look up Whodoo Tall?
They'll the first documentaries up, and I'm slowly getting together
episodes for the sequel Who Do Tall? Two? And then
we're going to film a final one which is going
to be more focused on my dissertation, so it's going
to be Whodoo three? Doctor Tall? That's yeah. And Longhorn Paranormal,

(59:48):
the documentary filmed with them, is coming out very shortly,
and there's a crew from Belgium coming out October second.
I'm going to do some of them, so yeah, you
should just keep coming out.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, well check out all you're gonna work. And again,
thank you and we'll see you next Wednesday night. Until then,
you guys, have a good rest of for your week
and even better weekend. We'll see you next week. Good night,
got to hit the butt