A Traveler's Guide to Living Your Best F***ing Life w/ Evan "The Bucket List Specialist" Jones

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Evan Jones (00:00):
Write it down.

(00:01):
Look at it.
Manifest it.
Look at it.
Anything is possible.
I got it tattooed right here.
It's true the older I get, themore I'm kind of cemented in my
ways of being like, I'm notliving the way that they want us
to live and it kills me when Isee my friends or my people I've
known for so long and they justliving in this tiny, tiny box,

(00:22):
some of the stuff on your bucketlist, it's gonna be weird.
It's gonna be weird to otherpeople, but it's like, I don't
know.
Experience it.
Feel weird.
Feel uncomfortable.
Do some shit that you're like, Ican't believe I just did that.
Do it, bro.
Like, live your life and be, bea little uncomfortable here, man

HypeMiC & FaceTime HD Came (00:40):
What is up?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Complete Retreat Podcast,
where I talk to retreat creatorsand industry experts about what
it takes to create a thrivingretreat business.
Today's episode is going to be alittle different.
I interview a good friend ofmine, Evan Jones, aka The Bucket
List Specialist.
Evan's not running his ownretreats quite yet, but I have a

(01:01):
very strong feeling that he willbe in the near future.
I wanted to have Evan on becausehe's got an incredibly
inspirational story.
And it's a story that Ipersonally resonate with.
Him and I have both had neardeath experiences and have had
drastic changes in our lives.
In this conversation, Evan and Italk about the impact that those
near death experiences had onus, and how it ultimately

(01:22):
changed and shaped the course ofour lives.
Our mental attitude and mindsetis everything.
It determines literally everyaspect of our life.
And this is something that Evanand I talk about.
How to change your mindset.
for that.
What beliefs might be holdingyou back.
What beliefs might be pushingyou towards the future that you
want.
And what people can do to reallyopen up their lives and start to

(01:42):
live the kind of lives that theywant.
One of the beautiful thingsabout doing this podcast is that
I get to continually have reallyamazing conversations with
people, and I get to share themwith the world.
And while this may not be thetypical podcast that I release
with The Complete Retreat, I'msuper excited and grateful to be
able to share theseconversations with everybody
because I know people who listento this are going to get a lot

(02:03):
out of it and walk awayinspired.
So, Let's just get into it.

Ian Vogel (02:07):
what's up everybody.
Today I have a very specialguest, Evan, the Bucket List
Specialist Jones.
Now, he and I met under someturbulent conditions, literally,
on a boat in the DominicanRepublic going through some
really choppy seas.
It was quite an experience foreveryone involved, lots of
screaming and clutching of therails of the boat.

(02:30):
An experience I will not forget.
One of the, great pleasures andjoys of that experience was
getting to meet Evan on thattrip and, two, two fellow
travelers on destination and adeserted Island, Dominican is
not necessarily deserted, butwhere we ended up was pretty
much a deserted Island beach.
So was incredibly beautiful.
I had great conversation thereand I was.

(02:51):
really been looking forward tothis conversation and continuing
where we left off and, you know,I never really got your
backstory.
I know a little bit about youand some of the things you've
done, but yeah, Evan, if youcould kind of tell us a little
bit about yourself, what you do,how the name, the bucket list
specialist came, what's realwith you and what's present with
you right now?

Evan Jones (03:10):
First of all, it's good to see you again, man.
I have to start it by sayingI've never met somebody under
cooler, more interestingconditions than how I met you on
that boat, bro.
So we share that moment.
And yeah, the bucket listspecialist, man, everything's
been good.
Two months in Thailand.
I just did after I saw you inDR, I went the next day to
Thailand, got back to Mexico,and now I'm back just in Boston

(03:33):
kind of working on Dot Miles andcrossing my Ts and really
getting this business launched.
Off the ground for me.
But yeah, the bucket listspecialist it's a crazy story
and it could take the wholehour.
So I'm gonna try to chop it upinto a little five minute thing.
But 13 years ago I had a stroke,you know, and a blood clot in my
leg.
I lost my left eye, had aimmediate heart surgery that

(03:56):
night.
I get to the hospital.
They're telling me, you know,Mr.
Jones, you got six hours tolive.
we gotta fix you up.
And I'm looking at themthinking.
What are you talking about, man?
So I had my heart surgery.
I went through this really crazyexperience.
I went through actually a lot ofyears of kind of darkness after
that.
You know what I'm saying?
Just kind of just feeling lifewas so precious.
But when I came out of thesurgery I do music too.

(04:18):
And I immediately feltdifferent.
Immediately when I woke up outof the surgery and I started
going by the phoenix musically,you know rise out of the ashes I
got my phoenix tat right here.
And as I started getting back toliving life, man I started
having this crazy urge to justAlmost to a ridiculous level of
doing as much as I can with lifewhile I'm here and it became

(04:40):
this obsession for me and acouple years ago, I was just
sitting there kind of thinkingabout everything and thinking
about this.
I always wear world stuff.
I love planes.
I'm obsessed with travel.
And I just thinking like, wherecould I take this?
And I started realizing like,I'm going to start just writing
out my bucket list.
Really writing it out like onthese poster boards, you know,
and just really putting downwhat I would want from my life.

(05:02):
And I started getting obsessedwith checking these things off
my bucket list.
You know, I got the, I got thegreen check tattoo.
It's like an obsession, butafter a while I started
realizing like, this is amazing,but where would I take it after
that?
And I'm like, damn, I want tocheck.
I want to help other people.
Check stuff off their bucketlist and then as short as I can
keep it, I would love to turnthis into almost like a make a

(05:22):
wish foundation one day whenwe're going to hospitals and
we're helping people, kids whoare in a situation that I was
in, where I know how it feels tobe that close to the afterlife.
You know what I mean?
And then come in and be thespokesman for.
Sick kids in the hospital and bethat guy.
So one part of it is me doingeverything off my bucket list,
which is really cool.

(05:44):
I recommend everybody does it.
You put stuff down instead ofjust thinking it in your head.
It makes it way more realer of athing for you in it.
And it's kind of looking atthese papers thinking that's
what I want from my life, Causethe bucket list is things you
want to do and what you wantfrom a relationship.
you want to buy property put itOn the list and then to sit back
have a drink smoke a drinkwhatever your focus is and just

(06:04):
look at it and think damn thoseare the things I want.
So let's like let's get to it.
Let's just start checking itoff, man So I

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Evan Jones (07:08):
yeah, it all started from a health issue almost dying
Turn it into this whole Phoenixbucket list thing that I really,
enjoy doing, man.
And I've done some stuff withpeople where I'm helping them,
check something off their bucketlist.
And I really liked the feeling Iget seeing somebody be like,
damn, I've never done thisbefore.
And that genuine smile.
And I just feel like this kindof feels like what I was put
here for.

(07:28):
like Anthony Bourdain, and it'scrazy to say, right?
Much respect for AnthonyBourdain.
Rest in peace, man.
But I always saw him as mycompetition, and I'm actually
upset that I never got to sitand talk with him and tell him
this, but like, I feel like hecould have took it up another
notch, and he did a lot.
I'm not talking shit aboutBourdain, but I want to take
whatever he was doing up toanother level and bring other

(07:48):
people in to be like, yo, let'slive life, man.
For this little short wrinkle intime that we walk this earth,
man, let's enjoy the shit out ofit.
So that's what the Bucket ListSpecialist represents.
Checking things off your list,living your life, enjoying
yourself, taking your life back,and making it less about like,
Man, I got work.
Man, I got trouble with my girl.

(08:09):
You know, this, that, or thethird, and then thinking about
it like, Nah, at the end of thismonth, I'm, bungee jumping, and
whatever, you know, and you canmake, it makes life more
interesting.

Ian Vogel (08:18):
that's super beautiful.
I love the, sentiment of, notonly doing this for yourself and
enjoying your time while you'rehere and getting the most out of
this really short period of timethat we call life.
beyond just the personalexperience of that, helping to
bring others into that andhelping to satisfy and fulfill
other people's dreams.
And man, especially the sickkids and kids in hospitals.

(08:40):
I personally have a history ofworking in the healthcare system
for a period of time, I was adialysis technician working with
terminally ill people for themost part, there were times
where you could just see it intheir eyes, people who were
getting towards the end of theirlife.
people who on paper, they mighthave everything, they had
families, they had money, theyhad everything they need, but I

(09:02):
could see in their eyes.
That there was a longing to goback a wish that they could have
done more that they, while theyhad the time and the opportunity
to do that.
So man, helping other peoplehave that experience as well, in
addition to what you're alreadydoing, I think is, super
powerful.
And, I'd love to hear about.
some of the experiences thatyou've had and, thus far up to

(09:23):
this point, he said, it's arelatively new kind of venture,
something you're trying toreally step into and, create.
And my sense is that it'ssomething that's is just coming
through you.
It's not necessarily a consciousthing that you're, you're
sitting down and you're schemingevery little thing you can do,
but this is something you're aconduit for God, for the spirit
to let this come through and,become the bucket list

(09:45):
specialist.
So I, I, I'm curious what yourexperience has been like walking
other people through that.
And when did that spark?
Happen.
What were that you had decided,I want not only for myself, but
do this for other people too.

Evan Jones (09:56):
I feel everything you just said, and I want to
make sure I answer it all onpoint.
Like I do agree.
so one big thing before I jumpinto like what I did for other
people, I gotta say is like, forme When I was feeling so bad
about everything, I didn't knowwhat to do I didn't know what to
feel, whatever.
But once I started doing thisagain and looking for these
checks, man, it started makingme feel alive.
And it's like, just a feelingthat I think everybody should

(10:18):
embrace.
And it's not just for people whowent through a medical thing.
Life is tough.
Just walking these roads day today is a hard thing, going to
work, having family, havingrelationships.
So I want to clarify too thatthe bucket list is not just for
people who are dying or peoplewho had a really bad thing.
The bucket list is for literallyeveryone in the world, rich,
poor, like you said.

(10:39):
I've met a lot of miserable richpeople and I've met a lot of
happy poor people, you know whatI'm saying?
I'm trying to find a medium foreverybody where you can be like,
let me enjoy my life.
let me get back to what I wassaying about, I have a friend,
man.
He's a dude that lives inBoston.
he's a street guy.
He's been to prison a lot of hislife.
He's one of my best friendssince I was a kid he never
really lived his life.
And he just found out a year agothat he was dying basically a

(11:01):
kidney failure.
And he doesn't know when this isgoing to happen, what the
situation is, but he wentstraight into depression.
Like most of us would.
And I started telling him, yo,bro, like I kind of been through
this.
Like, I mean, kind of.
Help you out.
I was giving him advice and Iwas saying, what do you want to
do?
Like, say this was the end.
What do you want to do?
And it's crazy.
Cause the first thing we didtogether was he had never been
to a Red Sox game.

(11:22):
And he's from Boston.
So this is a thing that I coulddive into for a long time too,
is the mentality that a lot ofus have, that we were taught to
have is just like, you get sostuck in your life.
You don't even do almost regularstuff that you would expect
somebody to do.
If you're a Red Sox fan and youlive in Boston, you would expect
that you've been to Fenway Park,right?

(11:43):
You would, that's a bucket listthing.
It's in every bucket list book,but.
No, this guy, Red Sox fan, 40years old, never been to a Red
Sox game.
I took him there and it's justlike sitting there with my boy
and watching his face while wedo the wave and sing Sweet
Caroline.
It's like seeing somebody atthat genuine happiness where
there's no Bullshit.
They're not trying to sugarcoatanything.

(12:04):
They're not trying to front foranybody.
And it's just like when you'redoing a bucket list check,
something you really always wantto do.
You see this pureness in people.
I feel it in myself when I do itwhere you almost feel like a kid
again.
And to see that in other peoplemakes me so happy, man.
Like, my mom, I'm taking her toParis.
In November, she got hooked onParis off this Emily in Paris

(12:24):
show, right?
It's like years ago, right?
And the second season just cameout.
So she's like, I want to go toParis.
So especially with my mom oranybody that you know, is
getting up in age, I really kindof focus on that first.
Cause it's like, look, bro,anything that people want to do,
I'm down to do it with him.
And I was just in Thailand meand my buddy, 24 year old kid

(12:44):
from Canada.
I met him living with the monks.
In the monastery out inThailand, but we ended up being
really close and we both.
Got Sakya tattoos by the monk ina temple with the the bamboo
tattoo type thing with no

Ian Vogel (12:59):
I saw that, I've got a bunch of tattoos, so you're
kind of in the middle ofsomething, but like, I, I wanna
talk more about that'cause Ilook badass.

Evan Jones (13:06):
we're gonna dive into that but that was on I
didn't even know it existed Youknow what I mean?
Like I was out there and thisguy keeps talking about these
tattoos.
I knew it existed because likewe all heard Angelina Jolie got
her tattoo back in the day.
That was the only time I everheard of it.
Like the no machine tattoo.
Then when he started saying it,I'm like, Oh, of course, bro.
I'll get a sock out with you.
You know, that sounds amazing.

(13:26):
That sounds like a bucket listcheck.
And I have a section that's forrecommendations, you know?
So that was another check I didwith somebody just to And it
ended up being a check for me,too.
I'm like, man, I never would'vethought of that.
But I just never have thought ofthat.
So, now I got this amazingtattoo.
I shared this experience withthis guy.
We got this bucket list checktogether forever.
It's like, For a long time, Ididn't know what I was here for.

(13:49):
I was doing music.
I'm working in the serviceindustry.
I'm doing security.
I'm doing all this thing.
And then what made me want toturn this into stuff for other
people is, kind of crazy.
And it kind of fits the subject,the name, especially of the
show.
But one of my really goodfriends had passed, his name was
Jonathan.
Right.
And We did mushrooms together alot, and you would always just
stare at the ceiling.

(14:09):
And I'm like, What world are youin, bro?
Like, we would have really goodconversations, though.
And it had just been a year ofhis passing, and I wanted to
kind of connect with him.
I don't know if that's possible,but I wanted to, like, Take some
shroomies and kind of sit thereand look at the ceiling and see
if I felt my boy in any way Andliterally I can't make this up.
That was the night that I cameup with the bucket list

(14:31):
specialist idea to do it withother people Really taking it to
the next level.
So it was some afterlife shit ifi'm being honest with you It was
really me and him having thismoment with my friend who passed
a year ago and I felt like hewas in the room with me and
Something about when I woke upthe next day.
I already knew like i'm thebucket list specialist It hadn't
even been thought of until thatday.

(14:52):
So it's a really weird answer,I'm sure, but it's the, truth,
you know?

Ian Vogel (14:56):
Well, you're speaking to someone who's done more than
his fair share of mushrooms andthat's something that you and I
connected on.
I When people say things likethat to me and they're like,
this is gonna sound weird, but.
And they say their thing.
my, my response is always myweird meter is broken.
could probably surprise me, I'msure there's a way, but at this
point I've had a lot ofexperiences and, you know.

(15:18):
Nothing is out of the realm ofpossibility, especially when
you, when you inject somethinglike mushrooms or a plant
medicine, like the boundaries onreality expand very far in every
direction, including inward.
So that's, that's reallybeautiful.
And thank you for sharing.
I've had some really profoundexperiences connecting with past

(15:39):
loved ones in that same contextand working with.
Working with mushrooms.
Yeah.

Evan Jones (15:44):
Yeah, man.
I love my portabellos, man.
You know?
Ha ha ha.
Them shits is amazing.
Yeah.

Ian Vogel (15:50):
yeah, the right place, right time with the right
intention, you know, I thinkwhat you mentioned there,
surrounding that experience, itwas the context that you went
into it with a certainintention.
And I think that's huge forpeople.
if you're going to work withthose sorts of medicines or, you
know, entheogens, psychedelics,whatever you want to call them.
Like the more.
thoughtful you are, the moreintentional you are, the more

(16:10):
your result is probably going tobe closer to your desired
outcome.

Evan Jones (16:15):
A hundred percent.

Ian Vogel (16:16):
Off the top of my head, There's I think three
different kind of paths I'vetaken in life or specific pivots
I've made after large mushroomjourneys.
And you know, something, willbecome crystal clear.
You'll have a connection, likesomehow things will connect in
your brain or your mind or yourspirit.
It's like, Oh, yesterday I wasdoing this and today I'm doing

(16:38):
something different.
And you just never look back.
So I'm sure Jonathan had a partto play in the evolution of the
Bucket List Specialist, and I'msure he's smiling down on you
and, cheering you on every, timeyou check something off the
list.

Evan Jones (16:51):
Thank you, my brother.
Yeah, I think so too, man.
I have a very interestingconnection with all of that.
So connected at this point forme, you know what I mean?
I got his picture up over mylittle bucket list sanctuary.
So he's definitely a part of it.
and I like to thank mushroomsfor bridging the gap between us,
you know what I mean?
wherever he's at, wherever I'mat, it just felt like we were in
the same room for that nighttogether.
And I haven't felt that close toanything in the afterlife ever

(17:15):
since or before that.
So it was a really profoundmoment for me.
And it makes me really happy totell the story because now that
I feel like the bucket listspecialist is my life.
I'm like, man, what a, way tofigure that out.

Ian Vogel (17:25):
yeah.
I always think back to the wordsof Terrence McKenna, I'm going
to paraphrase his quote, but healways said something along the
lines of, if you don't talkabout your experiences, With
psychedelics that had a profoundimpact on your life.
You're doing the man's work forhim.
And

Evan Jones (17:44):
I like that.
I never heard that.

Ian Vogel (17:45):
as soon as I heard that, it just clicked.
I'm like, and I'm just like,okay, yeah, I'm totally out of
the closet.
Like I'm not doing the man'swork for him.
I'm not going to help himsuppress all the potential
healing and goodness that thesedifferent plant medicines can
do.
So I'm fully out of the closetwhen it comes to, when it comes
to that.
In talking about intentionalitynow, I think writing down your

(18:08):
bucket list, what you mentionedearlier is incredibly important.
And, not just in the context ofbucket list, but in with goals
and thinking about where youwant to be in the future, like
taking the time to bring yourthoughts and ideas to manifest
it on a piece of paper.
That's like the first step.
And it helps you, it helps getclarity and it helps you get all
the stuff that's floating aroundin your head on the paper.

(18:30):
And then when you can see it,quite literally, when you can
see your goal on a piece ofpaper, it activates different
parts of your brain.
So, initiates a process that,that I think a lot of people
don't give it enough emphasis onwriting things down and
clarifying your goals andwriting down your bucket list.

Evan Jones (18:50):
100%.
I agree with that 100%.
Without a doubt.
It's like, I've gotten to thepoint where I wake up every day
the night before, I'll writedown on like a piece of paper to
the pharmacy And it's somethingabout checking shit.
I've become obsessed withchecks, obviously, right?
But it's such an interestingdifference between just
thinking, I'm gonna do this, I'mgonna do that.

(19:11):
Then you get distracted.
Then the game comes on.
Then you're talking with yourfriend.
And the next day you wake uplike, wait, what was I going to
do?
Like, no, no, no.
Write that down, bro.
How that ready?
And it might seem kind of silly.
But check it off.
And then at the end of the day,before you crumple that paper,
I'd be like, I did all seven ofthe things I was supposed to do.
Clack, clack, clack.

(19:31):
Some days you only did five.
Okay, write this last two on thenext day's piece of paper.
It's not a big deal.
But I believe it's veryimportant to put all your goals.
I got a vision board in my room.
I got all that, I'm big on allthat because I think it's
important to remember.
What you want.
So many distractions in theworld, man.
And the craziest part is I gotto give credit where it's due.

(19:53):
I got the idea to actually writemy bucket list down from a
YouTube video.
And it was like a six year oldgirl.
And it had popped up on my feedcause I follow a lot of bucket
list stuff.
And it was like this girl's justsaying, I don't know why people
don't do it more, but you shouldreally write your bucket list
down.
And I kind of like paused it andthen I brought it back and I
watched it again.
And I'm like, damn, this littlegirl just.

(20:14):
I'm like, so that night I gotout like a little paper and
started writing them down, keptwriting them down and turned
into, I got like, I'm up to 10poster boards and I keep them on
easels.
So I'm like a mad scientist Igot this pointer, man, I be in
there.
I'm thinking about it.
I'm writing it down.
It's just really like liberatingabout being like this is what I

(20:36):
want because okay So this ispart of my pitch.
let me get if I was to meet youon a boat or in DR wherever we
meet I would say like Bro, weget so caught up in family
relationships work, let's justtake those three at first,
right?
So, a lot of the time if you'rein a relationship or you're
married, it's not always aboutwhat does Ian want, what does
Evan want, it's like what do wewant, right?

(20:59):
If you got kids, multiply that,right?
If you uh, really care aboutyour job, boom, boom, multiply
that.
So, my thing is if I was able towalk up to somebody and I could
see they might be successful,but they look alone, right?
Down, they look a little unaliveand, I would just say like are
you getting time for you to dothe stuff in your life that
matters?
Like for real, because everybodyhas a personal bucket list.

(21:22):
You can even have a couple'sbucket list.
No problem.
But you still have to have yourown things because there's no
way that two people's bucketlists are identical all the way
through.
So there's this stuff that wepersonally want to.
Tribe, food wise, activity wise,sexual wise, who knows, but I
just think it's very importantfor everybody to personally

(21:43):
think of what they want withoutany distractions from family,
relationships, work, et cetera.
Like, you know, I would neverwant somebody to be like, Oh,
I'm not writing that on mybucket list.
Cause I'll never have money likethat.
Like, no.
Write it down.
Look at it.
Manifest it.
Look at it.
Anything is possible.
I got it tattooed right here.
It's true.

(22:04):
So, that's a little pitch I doas far as, do you do things for
you?
Ian, Evan, the listeners,whoever's watching, do you do
stuff for you?
For real, for real.
Cause I'm a real agreeableperson.
If I'm on a date, brother andthe girl I'm with is like, Oh,
do you want the Mac and cheeseor the potatoes or whatever?
I'll be like, whatever you like,you know, I really don't mind,

(22:25):
but there's certain things thatshould be specifically like,
this is what I want.
So my day to day life, I'm veryagreeable with people.
I could be with my mom and she'dbe like, let's get the salmon.
I could have wanted somethingdifferent, but I'd be like, I
love salmon.
Why not?
But with the bucket list, That'sa very personal experience.
So I think everybody should liketry that out.
You know what I mean, it'sliberating.

Ian Vogel (22:44):
I couldn't agree more.
There is something about havingyour own mental space, your own
physical space, where you canjust be authentically you and
feel free like you said, withoutthe outside world creeping in
and influencing your decisions,If that's all you know is,
people pleasing and adjustingyourself based, on the needs of

(23:04):
people around you, then it'sreally hard to know yourself and
to really be happy.
and if you don't know yourselfand you aren't going towards
what you want, and sometimeswhat you want may coincide with
what other people want, be it arelationship or work or whatever
that is.
And it usually does in somecontexts and that's great.

(23:25):
And

Evan Jones (23:26):
man.

Ian Vogel (23:26):
It's super important to give yourself the space to
sit down and figure out what youwant for yourself specifically.
And writing it down, it's funnywhen he brought up the YouTube
video of the little girl,because there's a a motivational
speaker.
He studied success habits for along time.
His name is Brian Tracy, thisold school guy.
And he talks about the power ofwriting things down and he.

(23:50):
quotes a study that was done byYale or one of these big Ivy
League schools where people whowrote down their financial goals
were 10 times more likely toachieve them than people who
didn't this was like a 30 yearlong study and they were like
the graduating classes whateverschool that was.
they would stay in touch withthem and, track these things.
And for, 30 years, they, stayedin touch with these people.

(24:10):
and they came up with thatstatistic, like, Oh, the people
who wrote down their goals,specifically when it comes to
the finance and their financialgoals, 10 times more likely to
reach them if they were writtendown.
what you're saying, there isthis aspect of, yeah, write it
down and then you can manifestit.
And there have been somelegitimate studies that back

(24:31):
that up.
It's not just woo.
It's not just, happy thoughtsand, thinking happy thoughts.
Whether or not we're aware ofthem, there are mechanisms that
we put in place and thisenergetic flow of our energy
when you continuously see thesame, list and like the same
goals over and over again, doessomething.
And even though we might not beable to pinpoint exactly what

(24:53):
that is.
Most people will agree that, youknow, on some level they,
believe that to be true, yet sofew people actually do it.

Evan Jones (25:01):
Yeah.
No, it's very interesting, man.
it's the same way though thatlike, One, thank you for that
fact because I'm literally aboutto start using that in
conversations.
That's a huge thing to know.
I didn't even know that.
See, I learned something newevery day.
So that's an interesting studythat they did.
And I think the same effect has.
On people who don't do stuff.
It's like me personally, I'mdoing right now is completely

(25:25):
out of the norm.
I'm supposed to be doing how Igrew up, my family's money, low
income, all that stuff.
Like we're supposed to be workerbees, right?
We're supposed to follow thesystem.
I'm not going to get too likefight club in here, but I'm
like, look, we're supposed to dothis.
We're supposed to do that.
I feel like you taking your lifeback is completely.

(25:46):
against what we were taught.
So I talk about this with a lotof people, the bucket list, the
mindset, the whole thing, themonastery and a lot of my
friends I grew up with here.
They look at me like I got threeheads and it takes a lot to try
to get the conversation even onthe right path because it's so
out of the ordinary for thisperson to be able to think I

(26:07):
could go to Thailand for twomonths.
So, but when they see me go doit, the How did he do it, the
same way that these people thatwrote it down, they know that
life, they know that world,whoever was in that study,
they're part of that.
But the other people who don'tknow that, those are the ones
also that I'm trying to be like,y'all need to write it down,

(26:27):
man, because that percentagegets it.
And there's a whole communitythat totally understands the
writing it down, doing yourgoals.
And then there's a whole otherside, which is more my side,
where I come from, They don'tnot only do that, no one in
their family does it.
I have friends that never beenon a plane, my age, you know
what I mean?
So it's, it's a big point for meis to kind of break the mindset

(26:48):
that I already broke for myself.
I've always been in love.
Different, but the older I get,the more I'm kind of cemented in
my ways of being like, I'm notliving the way that they want us
to live and it kills me when Isee my friends or my people I've
known for so long and they justliving in this tiny, tiny box,
you know?
And that was a little offsubject, but it's totally on

(27:10):
subject.
You know what I'm

Ian Vogel (27:11):
Yeah, yeah, and, and I can really relate to that,
man.
I, I, had a moment, oh man, thismust have been 2017, I was on a
bus in Chile going through themountains on the bus and kind of
in the middle of nowhere,looking out the window thinking,
how the hell did I get here?
what is happening with my life?

(27:33):
Like, this is awesome, I'mgetting to travel.
South America backpack and mymother's from Chile.
So I have a lot of family there.
So getting to see all these longlost family members and just
have this great time.
And, but yet I'm here all bymyself and I was just started
thinking back and it's like, Ialways knew that I could do it
in leading up to that trip.

(27:54):
I had never taken a trip likethat by myself, like a
backpacking trip like that bymyself.
And there were people,specifically people in my family
who were like, You can't dothat.
You're going to get robbed.
You don't have enough money.
How are you going to Uh, Thisreason, this reason, this reason
why you can't do this, and this,like, there's all these reasons
why I couldn't do it.
and remember, I was sitting onthis bus, and I was like,

(28:15):
Everybody was telling me Icouldn't, well not everybody,
but there were a lot of people,people who were close to me, who
were telling me I couldn't dothis, yet here I am.
Why is that?
just dawned on me, it's like,oh, they have no idea what I am
capable of.
The only reason that they weretelling me that I couldn't do
the thing was because that'swhat they believed about
themselves.

Evan Jones (28:35):
Amen, brother.
Amen.
Amen.
That's, I wish I had a bell orsomething to ring.
'cause that's, you just keepgoing, but Yeah.

Ian Vogel (28:42):
it's just like, it clicked.
And like tears started rollingdown my face.
I just believe in myself and Ican just do a simple Google
search and figure, like, Ibelieve that I can figure it
out.
It's not hard

Evan Jones (28:53):
right?

Ian Vogel (28:53):
really.
Once you stop and think aboutit.
The hard part is, moving pastyour own mental limitations.
That's the real boundary.
And that's a real difficultthing for people.
And yeah, I remember, I'll neverforget sitting on that bus, just
sat, just like crying.
And, Oh, like those, people werejust projecting their own thing
onto me because that's all theyknow.

(29:13):
That's the only frame ofreference they know.
they can't fit my vision of mylife into their box.
their box is one foot by onefoot.
And the vision that I have formy life is huge and it just
doesn't fit.
I felt so much relief and it'slike, I can really do anything I
want to do.
And if I could do anything Iwant to do.
Anybody can do anything theywant to do.

Evan Jones (29:33):
It's a good feeling, man.
It's a beautiful, pure feeling.
Now, I, every single word youjust said, I related to in like
a very deep way.
I've been in those sameexperiences with very close
people in my life where it'sjust, they're looking at me like
I'm crazy.
And you have these moments inyour life on that bus where it's
like, it's a really nice feelingwhen you realize yourself like,

(29:57):
I'm not crazy.
Like, this is doable.
Not only is this doable, I cando whatever I want.
I say that, those couple wordsto my friends all the time.
I have friends who still don'thave passports.
And they say, yo E, I just sawyou traveling, I'm gonna order
my passport.
And I always say the same thing,I say, my brother, you get that
passport, we can do whatever wewant.

(30:19):
It's like a big thing.
My tattoo, one of my big thingsin my company is, You don't need
to be rich to travel the world.
That's like my original sayingdon't and that's part of the
bucket list specialist thing aswell that I'm gonna be bringing
the people is Teaching peopleabout like bro.
I've never had money like thatand people have always been

(30:39):
scratching their heads thinkingwhy you traveling Simple, right?
I say this on everybody I talkto, but we all have habits.
Everybody has things they spendmoney on.
If you decide, yo, I want to gohere, I want to go here, I want
to go here, and you really lockit in your mind, say you plan a
trip, bro, you only got to putaway a couple hundred every
week, every paycheck.
To be able to do this probablybucket list check trip that you

(31:03):
wanted.
Now, if you go out to dinnerevery night and you, spending
too much money on this and youbought this, you shouldn't have
bought, no, you probably can'tgo on a vacation, but if you're
disciplined, delayedgratification is what my boy
always says is like, yo, if youknow what you want, same with
working out, same with mentaland soul journey, if you know
where you're headed, you don'tworry about how you're going to

(31:24):
get there.
You know, you're going to getthere.
So I have a whole thing aboutthat too.
So.
It's interesting, man.
Ha, ha,

Ian Vogel (31:32):
Yeah.
What comes up for me when yousay that, cause I've had a,
again, I've had a very similarexperience.
I was living in Las Vegas,working at a dispensary, making
good tips at the time, like allthe tips.
I'm going to just save and saveand save and save.
And I'm going to go down and goto Columbia for six weeks.

(31:53):
And my coworkers were like, Hey,do you want to go out after
afterwards?
We all made a hundred dollars intips this evening.
We're all going to go out for anice dinner.
I'm like, yeah, I think I'lljust go back to my place.
Having done that for, I don'tknow, three, four months,
finally get home and I look andI open up my little stash and
it's full of 20 bills and a fewhundreds in there.

(32:14):
I was like, damn, I guess I'mgoing to Columbia.
And then all the people who Iwas working with, it was like,
Oh, I just bought my ticket toColumbia.
I'd been talking about it for acouple of months.
They're like, And it gets downto that day and I'm about to
take off.
They're like, Oh, you're solucky that you get to go to
Columbia.
They're like, I'm like, wait,wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait.
There's nothing lucky about, meskipping out those fancy dinners

(32:37):
and nothing lucky about me.
living reasonably and beingdisciplined, nothing lucky about
me researching the trip.
Luck didn't buy my plane ticket.
Luck didn't, reserve the hostelI'm going to stay in.
am, I'm grateful.
And I'm very fortunate that I'mgoing to be able to, go on this
experience.
And a lot of, very deliberateand intentional choices.

(33:00):
That went into me being able todo this thing that, y'all are
calling me lucky.
So like, Oh, hell no, not luckhere.
Like that's just not it.

Evan Jones (33:09):
it's not, it's not even close.
but in their mind, it's socrazy.
This magic trick that you'redoing is like, yo, dog, take a
second.
Look at the blueprint here.
It's actually really easy tokeep up with how I got to this
point.
And the crazy thing, I am pretty99 percent sure that you've had
plenty nights drinking with thesame dudes, having dinners with
us.
Now, like you missed out, youknow, what the night was, you

(33:32):
ate food, you drank.
It's fun.
I get it.
But it's like, dog, how manytimes are you going to do that
before?
I'm like, I want to do that inMexico, I want to do that in
Columbia.
I want to do that in fuckingBrazil, whatever you want to do.
It's just, I know with mypeople, I've had similar
situations where I'm like, I'mgonna go here.
And they're just like, yeah, I,yeah, that sounds dope.
I'm like, no, for real.
I'm gonna go there.
And they're like, yeah.

(33:52):
And then that night, like yousaid, yo, let's go, let's get,
I'm gonna get this bottle.
And I'm thinking one, I got adrink at the crib.
I'll go home.
Light one up have a drink.
I don't need to it's gameplanning.
You know what i'm saying?
And I also think in my mind,I've been out with y'all 20
times.
I know exactly what it is.
It's beautiful check Love it.
But why would I not try to takeit up a level now?

(34:12):
You know so I can just relate towhat you're saying because i've
said no to many nights and manythings i've wanted to buy or
throw in on just because i'mlike That doesn't fit the
doesn't fit the plan bro.
You know i'm saying it's gonnathrow me way off track doing
that.
So You you really want it, youcan do it.
It's the same way we look atthese athletes, right?
When we were in high school,they was training all the time.

(34:32):
We was chilling, bullshitting,talking to girls, smoking
something, trying to be cool.
And it's like, they wanted it.
They really wanted it.
So if you really want to go on atrip, you can go on a trip.
It's actually not as hard aspeople think.
It's this mindset.
It's the mindset, bro.

Ian Vogel (34:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Evan Jones (34:47):
I know,

Ian Vogel (34:48):
Go ahead.

Evan Jones (34:49):
my bad, last thing on that subject.
Man, I know people, three timesthe money I got in my bank
account, that never go onvacation.
And they're like, Wow, man, Idon't know how you do it.
I'm thinking, You drive an Audi,you do this, you choose what you
want to do.
You know, if your money is toomuch for that beautiful car you
got, But that was your choice.
My choice.
I could have a nice car likethat too, but I want to go, you

(35:11):
know, around the world.
So.
We all make our decisions what'simportant to us.
So it's nothing lucky or magicalabout it.
It's like, yo, bro, they selltickets on planes every day.
There's a plane flying out rightnow, flying out in 20 minutes.
There's a plane flying out in 45minutes and it's probably full.
So it's like, bro, there'snothing lucky about this.
There's plenty of people doingthis shit too.
It's just, I know a lot ofpeople that are still kind of in

(35:33):
that.
what you're doing is impossible.
I'm like, I tell him the samething, bro.
I do free consultations.
Like man, sit down, hear whatI'm saying to you.
It's not that difficult.
and I don't want to sugar coatanything.
Look, life is hard.
Boom, boom, boom.
We all know that.
I'm talking about if you reallywant to take a trip, it's
actually pretty doable.
That's why I do it all thefucking time.

(35:53):
Cause I'm like, listen, bro,life is short.
Life is shorter than peoplethink too.
I think still in people's minds,they'll be like, nah, I don't
think like that.
I think you do.
I think most people in theirmind believe they're going to be
like a hundred years old, if notwhat 99.
One on one people have thisweird mindset that like, you
can't just done, boom, gone, andit bothers me in a little bit of

(36:15):
a way.
Cause I see the nonchalantnessabout how to use their time.
And it's just like, I'll get tothat.
I'll do it.
And I'm like, yeah, we'll see,you know, God willing, brother,
you know what I'm saying?
Shit is not as guaranteed aspeople think.
And I think that mindset is thereason I'm so like, nah, bro,
I'm not just going to waitaround, and do it later, My mom
got a friend.
She's like 70, my mom's 70 andshe still does stuff with me,

(36:37):
but her friend, man, her bodystarted getting going on it.
So she can't do everything.
And I'm thinking, I hopepersonally that she got to live
her life as much as she couldbefore that, because bro, you
don't know.
You truly don't know what's Inyour future as far as things
that might get in the way of youbeing able to do it So i'm just
like your life man.
Trust me.
This is

Ian Vogel (36:58):
that's super important.
And something that I've lived bymyself, I've had a few calls,
close calls.
he said 13 years ago, you had apretty close call.
I had one about 13 years ago.
It was December of 2011.
I had a really close call with areally serious medical thing
that came up in my life.
And, yeah, I've talked about itanother podcast and it's like, I

(37:19):
very nearly died ended upspending a couple of days in the
hospital, almost died ofinternal bleeding and just that
was like.
Something switched.
I was like, okay, what I'm doingnow, life could have been over
last night had I not gotten,went to the hospital.
Had I not chose to go drive myass to the emergency room, I
would have never gotten out ofbed.

(37:40):
And thank goodness I did.
And now what am I going to do?
I'm not going to keep doing thethings that I was doing before,
Because, that wasn't working, Iwasn't happy.
So, I left a very cushy, wellpaying management position in a
fortune 500 company to move toColorado and pursue what I
wanted to do, just like up andleft everything completely

(38:02):
switched my life around.
And to what you doesn't, itdoesn't require money,
significant portion of the moneyto.
To check things off your bucketlist and to do the things that
you really want to do, itrequires a plan and discipline
and a willingness to sometimesgo out of your comfort zone.
It's like, how bad do you wantit?
are you willing to take that 24hour bus ride from Bogota to

(38:23):
Putumayo, Columbia while you'rethrowing up in a little bag?
Because you ate something wrongand you got food poisoning.
are you willing to sleep in ahostel, in a dormitory where
there's a bunch of differentpeople in there and there's,
it's might be kind of loud andit's going to be cheap, but.
how far are you willing to goout of your comfort zone do the
thing that you say you want todo, or do you expect it just to

(38:45):
happen to you?
Because if that's what you'reexpecting, that life, is just
going to put it in your lap.
All you have to say is I wantit.
And not take any action if lifeis just going to give it to you.
If that's your expectation, thenhave fun with that because
there's another side to the lawof attraction.
I've heard it called law of Goyathe law of get off your ass,
like the law of action and thelaw of attraction, you can't

(39:08):
have one without the other.
And, there's got to be a balancein that.
So down on the list and then,starting to take actions to do
that thing.

Evan Jones (39:17):
I've been, this is why I think, this is why I think
I was made.
This is part of the reason fromyour original question too, is
like what made me feel like thebucket list specialist was me or
whatever.
It's like, I've been that guy.
I can relate and I can try tohelp them as best I can.
I've been the guy.
That's like, life should justbring me what I want.
It's me.
I should get what I want, I hadthat mentality for like half my

(39:39):
life.
So it's like, I see people likethat and it's almost like.
But you can't lie to me.
I know cause I've been you.
That's why I feel like an extrapassion towards helping people
like that.
Cause it's really, like, youknow, like you talk about it's
just, I know more people likethat than I know that are on
the, that third eye mindset,that open mind, like, let's live

(39:59):
this life.
So it's extra personal.
Cause I've been that guy.
I've been that guy that's just,Kind of sitting there like, Oh,
things will work out.
Things should work out.
You know, things should goexactly how I want.
Cause I want it that way.
And, it's not how life works,bro.
It's not how it works.
So one of my big things is Ifeel like I can relate to people
like that.
Cause I'm like, I trulyunderstand that mindset as.

(40:20):
unproductive and terrible asthat is.
It's like, no, I've had thatmindset for a long time.
And when you do get inspired andyou start writing shit down and
you start doing this, it soundsso silly, bro, but me and you
could go to Brazil, right?
And we'll go do this.
Some members of, I forget thedesert off the text you later,
but there's a place in thedesert in Brazil where there's

(40:41):
like this amount of water.
That's ridiculous.
It's like, you can go swimmingin the desert, run down the sand
Hill, hop in the thing.
Look, we would have the time ofour lives.
One part that's almost equallyas important to me Is this green
check?
I want these green checks.
I like looking at them andsometimes seeing like damn I did
that because life moves quicklyand sometimes you start

(41:03):
forgetting about things you'vedone that mattered to you.
It happened.
It's happened to me.
And you look back like, no, no,no, no, no.
I've been doing it.
I've been living life and it'sAnother reason why the bucket
list is a good reminder, writingyour stuff down.
Those green checks, theyactually feel really good.
Checking that off is like, damn,I really just did that.
And now that memory is just, yougot it, you did, you did it.,

(41:25):
and another reminder, like youwere saying earlier, I can do
these things.
I went skydiving, you know, Iwent hang gliding, swim with
dolphins.
Romeo and Juliet wall in Paris,you look at this and you're
like, I did that.
When somebody tells you whatyou're doing is crazy.
You kind of look at the listlike, yeah, I'm crazy.
Right.

Ian Vogel (41:43):
I really love what you're doing with the, with
those flip boards, like thefact, that it's there it's a
subconscious reminder that I didthese things, it's like,
nothing's crazy.
Look at all the things I alreadydid, and it gives you like fuel
to be able to do more and openup.
And man, I think, it comes to,having these conversations with
people, and talking to people inour lives who are, or maybe

(42:06):
closed off and don't have thatmindset of like, yes, I can do,
or yes, I've, I'm going topursue the thing that I want to
pursue, ultimately people haveto make their own choices and
they're going to be responsible.
In the end for the choices thatthey make in, the outcomes that
they get, but I think one of thethings, that we can do like you
and I and anybody who'slistening to this.

(42:26):
Is lead by example, just lead byexample.
You don't necessarily have totell everybody that's that
you've got this big bucket listand I'm going to do all this and
this and this and this, like,that's great.
If you feel called to do that,that's super cool.
And like, what really matters isyou're doing the thing and
leading by example.
And, if you say you're going todo it, come up with a plan, do

(42:48):
the thing.
And., there's no amount of wordsis going to change the mind of
somebody, who's locked into.
No, I can't do that.
No, that's crazy.
What is going to change theirmind is them seeing pictures of
you on Instagram, you know, uh,and Machu Picchu or snorkeling
in the Bahamas or whatever itis.
Like, or you come back, with anew crazy tattoo that was hand

(43:11):
poked on your back, by a monk oryou come back from Nepal, with
this, with this crazy tattoo onyour neck and people are like,
Oh, you did the thing it isundeniable and we all have the
ability to make these thingsundeniable, not only for
ourselves we could do it forourselves and we should do these
things for ourselves.

(43:31):
And an additional component tothat is that when people around
you start to see you doing thesethings, it's going to loosen up
their model of the world.
And it's going to, it's going tostart to shake.
Those ingrained thought patternsin this, I can't mentality.
It's going to really start tochallenge that in a way that
would have never been challengedto that capacity.
had you not actually

Evan Jones (43:51):
You're right.

Ian Vogel (43:52):
the thing.

Evan Jones (43:53):
You're right.
You're right, man.
It's you know, we're planners,right?
We like to plan.
It's a thing of mine.
I love to plan, but I knew, youknow, I just did my two months
in Thailand and all that.
I knew that being out there thatlong, somewhere so foreign to
most of these people, that's whyI had thinking, what, Thailand?
And it worked.
Some of my biggest doubters havetexted me over the past month

(44:15):
and being like kind of asking mequestions now.
What's going on?
You really just traveling likethat?
I'm like, there we go.
Let's open the conversation.
But it has to be like you said,they have to see you doing some
outrageous shit to even catchtheir attention and be like,
they're doing that, like, bro,I've been telling you I'm doing
this.
So it's like, it's felt reallygood.

(44:35):
In the past month for threeweeks or whatever, I've had a
lot of people kind of reach outto me, asking me questions,
asking for consultations that Iknow at the beginning of this
was looking at me crazy as shit.
Like, what are you talkingabout?
And now they're interested.
And I'm like, Let's get there.
Now we're there.
I'm cool with all the otherstuff.
Like, yeah, you didn't believein me at the beginning.

(44:55):
I'm not one of those people.
I don't care about that.
The fact, if you want to sitdown now and talk about it, I
feel like it's such a majorsuccess.
And also, in that, just givepeople time.
Let them see what you're doing.
I'm one of those, I want peopleto know immediately what I'm
talking about.
But this is one of themsituations.
Real time in my life where I'mletting this whole idea

(45:16):
marinate.
I'm not rushing anything aboutit.
I'm not rushing anybody tounderstand it.
I'm more like, look, this shitcame to me one night, tripping
shrooms with my dead friend.
And I'm still trying to makesense of it and anybody I can
get.
On board and try to live thisbucket list life.
So I just feel like that's whatI'm here for brother That's my
calling at this point.

(45:36):
I feel this weird sense of calmover me ever since I figured
that out like man That's whati'm here for and i'm here for
the ride I hope one day we'resitting on a podcast again and
you're like, wow, you were juston Good morning America, I'll be
like, hey, you know, hey.
But I'm also here for, no matterwhat, this is my bucket list,
it's a win win, No matter whathappens, this is what I want for

(45:59):
my life.
So no matter what accolades ormoney I get from it,, This is
what I want anyway.
And anybody I can help along theway and just be like, you know,
I have a saying all the time,it's from step brothers, the
movie with Will Ferrell.
Don't lose your dinosaur, right?
It's a big part of the bucketlist.
It's huge for me.
I have the picture in my room.
My brother has the same picturein his room in Sweden.

(46:19):
We all have that inner childinside of us.
And that's where you have to digin for the bucket list, right?
It's not about like 40 year old,you a 30 year old, you like, no,
I'm stressed with bills.
No, man.
Did you ever want to like Have12 ice cream cones in one day at
a football game.
Like, try to go deep into, like,your dinosaur.
So don't lose your dinosaur.

(46:39):
I think that's one of the bigthings I got to say about the
Bucket List, about me, aboutlife, about any advice I would
give anybody.
It's like, don't lose the innerkid in you, man.
You know, it's like, I think thebest adults are the people who
still have that.
They didn't let go of who theywere as a child, because why
would you?
So, I'm 40 years old, mybrother.
I turned 40 years old playingwith Thailand.

(47:02):
And I feel better at 40 than Idid at 30.
So it's like, life is a funnything, man.
And I'm gonna really ride thiswave, bro, and try to get as
many people to surf with me.
Like, I know it's unorthodox,right?
That's a big word that woulddescribe me.
Everything I'm doing is veryunorthodox.
And I'm like, I don't care.
I really don't give a fuckbecause it feels good.
And whenever I try to drawinside the lines, I hate the way

(47:25):
the picture looks.
I like scribbling all over thepaper and making my own picture.
So don't lose your dinosaur.
Don't draw inside the lines.

Ian Vogel (47:33):
That was really good.
And honestly, it touched me.
I felt that

Evan Jones (47:37):
Like she was from the heart,

Ian Vogel (47:38):
Yeah.

Evan Jones (47:39):
like,

Ian Vogel (47:40):
Yeah.
When I was a little kid, I loveddinosaurs and my, parents and
my, family members, they stilltalk about it.
Like all these dinosaurs I hadeverywhere, dinosaur coloring
books.
So I felt like there was aspecial message in that for me.
And, yeah, staying connected toyour, inner child, and knowing
that that's always there insideof you, you know, life, life
happens and things happen.

(48:01):
We accumulate traumas.
you know, situations happen and.
There is an aspect of ourselvesthat can get buried under all
that stuff, but just becauseit's buried doesn't mean it's
gone., and sometimes it takessomething like a near death
experience or the loss of aloved one or the loss of the
unexpected.
loss of somebody close to you,to peel back those layers and to

(48:24):
expose that inner child and it'slike, okay, yeah I'm still here,
there's still fun things that Iwant to do.
Like life can be a joy and notonly can it be a joy, it's
totally within our control andlife was made to be a joy.
And, yeah.

Evan Jones (48:39):
is hard to hold on to.
I don't want to sugarcoat itlike shit.
We all know.
We got our stories, but I'm likeDon't let it beat you.
Don't let it beat you, bro.
That, that's your life.
That's your life.
This is my life.
I'm like, you ain't gonna beatme.
Whoever my adversary is,probably me.
Not gonna beat me, like, thatmindset is not gonna beat me.
One thing I gotta say about themonastery with the monks that I

(49:00):
tell people, that's like mynumber one thing I tell them.
When we were there and I wasliving with them, I realized,
like, I liked that they were sohonest with it.
They didn't sugarcoat anythingand they kept saying, like, Life
is full of pain.
Life is full of suffering.
It's up to you to learn how todeal with the suffering in a
healthy way for you.
And I'm like.
Damn, I love when people arereal, you know, don't beat

(49:22):
around the bush.
Tell me your life is hard.
Thank you Now we're being honestnow.
They say your life is hard.
It's up to you to learn how todo this thing That feels good
for you.
So Maybe they don't like doingbucket list shit, but I think no
matter what everybody shouldfind that place where it's like,
yeah, life is hard, but like,try to enjoy it, try not to lose

(49:43):
your dinosaur, try to find themlittle tiny things that make you
feel good again, and I'm like, Ithink you'll be shocked how many
things end up on your list onceyou open your mind to being
like, for real, no one'swatching, Instagram's not on, no
one's here, my family ain'taround, my girl, my man, no
one's around, Let me just writedown what I want.

(50:03):
And some of it will get reallyawkward.
I've had ex girlfriends that gotupset with me about what was on
my bucket list and I say, youknow, it's mine.
It's mine.
I don't, I don't, I don'tunderstand.
But do it.
Live it.
Check it.
Fucking own it.

Ian Vogel (50:17):
Yeah.
Beautifully said.

Evan Jones (50:20):
You know, we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna
all see the afterlife one day.
We might as well make thisjourney about as entertaining as
possible.

Ian Vogel (50:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, when you get to thatinevitable point and you look
back and you're no longer inyour body and your body is dead,
it's like, did you do everythingyou could?
Did you, or did you leave it allout in the table?
And now it's time to go to theafter party.

Evan Jones (50:40):
I got two things to say on that real quick.
One, I always told my friends,don't treat my funeral like a
funeral.
Treat it like a motherfuckingbirth, like celebrate, pop
champagne, all that.
Know that I live my life to thedamn fullest.
And damn, the other thing, Ithink I lost it, but it was
showing back the afterlife,bruh.
I'll get it later, but, yeah.
Something that I feel importantabout as far as the after party,

(51:01):
it's like, yo, I'm, I'm leavingit all on the table here in this
journey.
And wherever I go next, I feellike I should be able to be
like, I feel good about that.
And I feel like everybody shouldjust do what they want.
And some of the stuff on yourbucket list, it's gonna be
weird.
It's gonna be weird to otherpeople, but it's like, I don't
know.
Experience it.
Feel weird.
Feel uncomfortable.
Do some shit that you're like, Ican't believe I just did that.

(51:23):
Do it! Do it, bro.
Like, live your life and be, bea little uncomfortable here,
man.
It makes you grow in the bestway, you know?
You gotta get humbled.
You gotta, traveling will humbleyou.
Trying new things will humbleyou, cause you won't be good at
half of them.
Like, it's helpful.

Ian Vogel (51:40):
Yeah, well said, my friend, man.
This has been such a funconversation.
I'm, so stoked that you're doingthis and happy to have met you.
Even if it wasn't in one ofthose travel situations, you
never know.
You really never do know what isgoing to come up.
Who you're going to meet, howyour life will change, we talked
a lot about planning and whenyou get into it and when you

(52:03):
really, when you're there to acertain degree that planning
goes out the window and there'sgoing to be situations that come
up.
It's like, I don't have a planfor this.
I'm going to have to figure itout in the moment right here on
my own.
And you know what?
I trust that I can do that.
I trust that I.
Have whatever it takes to get towhere I need to go and, and, it

(52:25):
built, like you said, it buildsconfidence and resiliency and

Evan Jones (52:29):
Character.
yeah, Just Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think it's important evenfor the toughest, tough guys or
the smallest people or whoever,it's like you need to feel
uncomfortable and everybody hassomewhere or something that'll
feel uncomfortable.
So I feel like everybody can becool if they stay in their own
box.
Like, man, test yourself, man.
Step out your box.
See how you feel.
See if you can keep it if youcan stay yourself outside your

(52:52):
body because that's how youfeels even better, you know But
yeah,

Ian Vogel (52:56):
there's a, there's a,

Evan Jones (52:57):
been a fucking pleasure,

Ian Vogel (52:58):
oh yeah, man, saying that I really love and that's,
the comfort zone is a greatplace to be, but no growth
happens there.
Literally no growth

Evan Jones (53:07):
without a doubt.

Ian Vogel (53:08):
your comfort zone.
So,

Evan Jones (53:09):
It's an amazing quote.
It's 1, 000 percent true

Ian Vogel (53:13):
and I think,

Evan Jones (53:13):
And we all love

Ian Vogel (53:14):
yeah, I think on some fundamental human level.
We desire growth and expansion.
Like that's just the way of theuniverse.
That's like a universal law isthat like energy spirit is
expanding, It's like justsomething that's happening and
if we try to restrict that,we're fighting against the
universal law that everything isin a constant state of

(53:36):
expansion.
And when you try to stay staticyou try to keep your box the
same size, that's going to causetension.
So you can.
You can choose to fight it oryou can choose to go with it and
allow your comfort zone toexpand by going out of it.
And man, I'm so grateful thatyou took the time have this
conversation.
So much fun, great reconnectingwith you after, you know, after

(53:58):
these months and, you know,being able to see you go to
Thailand and Mexico and continueon your journey and seeing
Instagram has been.
It's just been a pleasure and Ilook forward to seeing where
things go from here and.
Continuing to watch, yourjourney as it unfolds and you
helping other people and workingwith other people and spreading
this mindset of growth, andabundance and, ability to do

(54:21):
whatever you want, and, freedomultimately.
So.
Yeah, if you're, as we wind thisdown, is there, how can people
get a hold of you, what's yoursocial media?
Like, where can people, how canpeople follow what you're doing
and connect with you?

Evan Jones (54:33):
Absolutely, man.
So the Bucket List Specialist,everything, one word altogether.
Boom.
It's a little long, but justtype it out.
It'll be worth it.
The Bucket List Specialist ofInstagram, TikTok, YouTube,
email, at Gmail.
So anytime, man.
And I'm here to work witheverybody.
The world, the world, the world.
I want every single type ofperson to tune in, man.

(54:55):
This is what I'm here for.
And I would love to help you dosomething brand new that you
always wanted to do.
We're going to make it specialand let me at least end it by
saying, It was a pleasuremeeting you in D.
R.
It was even more of a pleasuremeeting you again here on your
podcast, brother.
And I can't wait to see whereour third location where we meet
up is.

Ian Vogel (55:15):
Yeah, yeah, I, I was thinking that I thought that
twice throughout thisconversation.
We're going to get together.
At some exotic location somebeach somewhere, some Island
somewhere.
Or

Evan Jones (55:27):
It's going to be podcast worthy.
So we'll have episode twowherever we have link up number
three.
You

Ian Vogel (55:33):
like that.
I like that.
I like that.
So, man, a beautiful way to endit.
Thank you again, Evan yeah,everybody.
There's some really goodactionable things that we could
all be doing that can help getus closer to, our goals and,
creating our bucket list andchecking, checking it off like
that is, what you see there, ispossible for everyone.
And, and I appreciate thereminder for myself and until

(55:56):
next time, my friend, everybodyout there, take care and be
well.

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