April 11, 2025 • 60 mins
In this episode of The Complete Retreat Podcast, we sit down with the radiant Tiffany Greene — Reiki master, teacher, and retreat facilitator — to explore her transformational journey from religious deconstruction to becoming a powerful space holder for others.
Tiffany shares her first life-changing experience with ayahuasca, how that ceremony awakened her intuitive gifts, and how she followed the “cosmic breadcrumbs” into energy work, breathwork, and trauma-informed coaching. We talk about what it really takes to hold space for others, how she prepared to co-facilitate her first retreat, and the importance of staying grounded while helping others go deep.
This is a powerful conversation about trusting your intuition, doing the inner work, and stepping into a life of aligned service — one courageous step at a time.
About our Guest:
Tiffany Greene is a Reiki Master, trauma-informed coach, and retreat facilitator based in Arizona. After a profound awakening during her first ayahuasca ceremony, Tiffany transitioned from a life rooted in traditional religion to one guided by deep intuition, energy work, and service.
Through her business Radiant Shadow Healing, she offers sessions that weave Reiki, somatic tools, breathwork, and intuitive coaching — helping people regulate their nervous systems, reconnect with their inner knowing, and integrate their shadow with love and compassion. Tiffany co-facilitates retreats and creates sacred spaces that empower people to transform from within.
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tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (00:00):
to sit with ayahuasca is not for
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the faint of heart that changed,honestly, the direction of my
life, like a one 80.
The most important thing istuning into your intuition,
tuning into your body and yourenergy and you receiving the
messages, learning how to shiftthat energy to bring you into
alignment.
Ideas are up here in the ether.
It's also where dreams,passions, intentions go to die.
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What energy am I bringing intothis?
It's not just that people areattending, but what's my energy
at?
My grounded and my centered andmy focus.
Am I aligned?
So how have I been preparing asa facilitator to be able to
facilitate others?
HypeMiC & FaceTime HD Came (00:41):
What is up?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Complete Retreat Podcast.
Today, my amazing guest isTiffany Green.
Tiffany is a Reiki master,teacher, and retreat leader
based out of Arizona.
Now, I've been super excited tohave this conversation because
Tiffany has a really incrediblestory and when I first met her,
she was not where she is today.
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One of the main reasons why Iwanted to talk to Tiffany was to
hear her journey from not reallyhaving much experience with
ceremonies or retreats to being,to the point now where she's
facilitating retreats andhosting them.
She's made some remarkableprogress in just a couple years.
And I know there are a lot ofpeople who feel really called to
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facilitate ceremonies.
So I wanted to hear what it waslike for her going from the very
beginning to where she is now.
I'm really grateful to Tiffanyfor sharing her story, and I
know that there are going to bea lot of people who find
inspiration in what she shares.
In addition to that, we talkabout all sorts of things, like
what it takes to regulateyourself as a sensitive person,
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how energy flows and moves inthe body, some of the things
that Tiffany experiencedfacilitating her first retreat
that she wasn't aware of allkinds of interesting topics.
So without any further ado,let's just get into it.
ian_1_02-22-2025_11065 (01:58):
Tiffany, it's so good to see you again.
And, you know, we spoke a fewmonths ago and had a
conversation about doing aninterview.
And during that time you werejust getting ready and preparing
for your very first retreat andbeing in the, in the role of
hosting and facilitating yourfirst retreat.
So I believe everything happensfor a reason and there was some
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delays and it didn't happenbefore.
And now I'm really excited.
To hear about the experiencethat you had facilitating your
very first retreat.
And I think maybe a good placeto start would be if we can
rewind a little bit and talk alittle bit about how you got
started and what sent you on thepathway to eventually start
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leading retreats and kind ofwork our way through that
process to where we are today.
And.
I'd also like to know where yousee yourself going in the future
and how, you know, starting tofacilitate retreats and hosting
retreats has changed yourbusiness and what you're doing
to help people.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (03:00):
Well, I'm so excited to do this.
Thank you for having me in andyeah, we have, we've been
talking about this, but we havea fun backstory and how we
actually met each other, wasreally four years ago,
Valentine's weekend.
And it wasn't a date, but ratherwe met in a plant medicine
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journey in ayahuasca three nightceremony, which was my first
time with grandmother ayahuasca.
And you were one of thefacilitators there and you did
such a beautiful job with yourmusic, flute, the panhand,
facilitating, holding space.
And so it was just so fun.
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Fast forward to, I don't know,last summer or so to reconnect
through social media.
And I was like, I don't know ifyou remember me.
That was so many, that was somany years ago.
And it was just, it's just beena joy to reconnect.
And who would have thought like,I certainly wouldn't have like
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four years later, you and Iconnecting in this way and we've
had different paths and it's letus back here to talk to one
another and see what's going on.
And you have your path you're onin mind, and it's just fun to
see how it's intertwined back.
So thank you for having me andthank you
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (04:23):
Oh, it's a pleasure.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (04:24):
go for holding such a beautiful
sacred space for me really tostart this journey.
I mean, that's really where allthis began with my story.
I would say I'll make it quickand concise, but you know, to
sit with ayahuasca is not forthe faint of heart and it's not
something fun that you do.
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But I was really pulled to itfor.
The sacred, deep changes that itmakes when you go there with
intention to really heal theseparts of yourself that you
didn't even know were there.
And so it was through that threenight ceremony where I had some
really big takeaways, thatchanged, honestly, the direction
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of my life, like a one 80.
I didn't anticipate that at all.
But it connected me to source,the spirit, the divine in a way
that I hadn't before.
And that couldn't compete with43 years of growing up in a
religion.
The, I just wasn't able toconnect so directly with source
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and spirit and it changed meforever.
And I now Or then it reallyshowed me that I can source that
from within and no longerexternally sourcing that
intuition and that knowing andlistening to other people who I
think know more about it orprophets or clergy or anything
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like that.
And so to recognize that I havethat direct source, that direct
connection was everything.
And so within that experience,it opened up this trust within
me, this inner knowing that'salways been there.
And definitely a lot ofintuitive gifts that I think
that had been laying dormant forme.
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Mainly like clairsentience,which is that ability to feel
things through the body.
Like clairvoyance, the abilityto see things, clairaudience.
I mean, they all came online inthat ceremony of three nights.
And I came out of that and I waslike, how do I manage this?
Because now I can feel myenergy.
I could feel the energy aroundme with such sensitivity that
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immediately it was, I mean, Ireached out to the facilitator
and said, do you have atherapist?
I'll understand someone who'sdone psychedelics and energy
because what is, what's going onhere?
I am so highly attuned andsensitive now.
But what a gift and so manygifts that.
I was shown because it's likemedicine doesn't bring things to
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you, but it only brings upwhat's already there.
And so that's where this startedis just this deep desire for
change.
I was doing all the things,doing all the religion and just
wasn't cutting it anymore.
And so I needed somethingradically different.
And so that's where ceremonycame in and meeting you.
And then it really changed mylife.
And so after that I got therapyand she's the one who pointed me
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in the direction of Reiki.
I remember she held up tuningforks and just said, okay, I'm
going to do tuning forks andtell me what chakra this is,
where you feel it at.
And I did it and the tuningfork, I would listen to it and I
would just see solar plexus,crown, heart, throat.
And I didn't know, I was justsaying whatever felt good and
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where I felt it in my body.
And afterwards she was like,okay, sister, like, this is a
calling.
You just need some assistance,some guidance on how to work
with energy.
And so that began my Reikienergy.
So I first went to my firstsession and it was incredible.
No words.
After I could feel all theenergy moving through different
parts of my body, had differentmessages coming in with a
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different energy.
I mean, it was just thisspiritual awakening for me,
honestly.
And my mentor, who's my Reikimentor was like, you should
really learn how to just doenergy work for yourself.
And I was like, yes, please.
Because what was happening atthe same time is I was
deconstructing the religion Igrew up in, which was, I grew up
Mormon my entire life.
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So after the ceremony, I waslike, what I just experienced
three nights cannot compete with43 years of religion.
And it had opened up this wholenew world.
And so it was a complicatedprocess of where I was
deconstructing.
And then with learning Reiki,energy, chakras, intuitive
abilities, Connect to myintuition.
It was a beautiful, likedeconstructing, deconstructing,
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but also reconstructing.
So it was kind of this odd worldand energy work literally saved
me, helped me do the deep workof undoing a lot of kind of old
conditioning, programmingbeliefs and truths from
religion.
And just believes about myselfthat I'd gathered from my lived
experience.
So Reiki, learning Reiki, Iappreciate it so much because it
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is.
Structured and it gives guidanceand I need that.
Not everybody does, but I reallylove the structure of Reiki
within that structure.
The most important thing istuning into your intuition,
tuning into your body and yourenergy and you receiving the
messages, learning how to shiftthat energy to bring you into
alignment.
And I really appreciated thatbecause It was okay, here's the
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scaffolding and then you get tobuild the building.
Like, here's the foundation, youbuild the building.
So, it's Been quite the journey.
And then from there it was like,oh no, this has been so helpful
and beneficial to me.
It was just this pool.
It was like, okay, now I want tobe in service to others with
doing energy work because ofwhat it's done for me.
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I mean, it helped regulate mynervous system.
We talked about like innerknowing, intuition definitely
helped my spirituality,connecting to source, God, life
force, energy, whatever you wantto call it.
And so it led me to the path oflike, you know, I want to become
a Reiki practitioner.
And And so I can't explain it,Ian, in the other way, but it
was like this like tractor beamthat was just like this step,
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then this step.
And I really didn't know whereit was going to lead me.
I just knew, okay, I want to bein service to others.
I want to help others.
I don't know how, but I'm goingto follow these cosmic
breadcrumbs, or really I feltlike a cosmic tractor beam, like
this is it Tiff, next step.
And so I.
Got trained to be a Reikipractitioner and it really
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became, energy work became thisdeep, Like love obsession for
me, I became really anobsession.
How does energy work?
Where does it come from?
And learning just the mechanics,logistics of it, learning about
the fascist system, the nervoussystem.
And so it was this likecompulsion to just learn more
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and more because really I wantedto learn it for me, but.
I knew in the back of my mind,it was like, this is so I can
better serve others.
And so if I am going to be anintegrity with serving others, I
want to learn all the things.
The first, this is the trainingground right here.
Like, how do I work on energywith others?
If I don't even know how to workit within my own body and be an
integrity with this.
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And so I would say, you know,getting, doing it for myself,
first of all, it was like huge.
And then learning how to work onother people it's like the next
step in the service.
Cause it was like being inservice of myself now service
and others.
And I had never really thoughtof a retreat before it was, I
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really like if I had to lookback and be like, Oh, this is my
dream.
I didn't even know this was adream.
I mean, I think that's, what'scrazy.
It's sometimes.
We have dreams, but our dreamscan almost limit us.
Or if we're not open to whatwhat's available to us, we can
close ourselves off.
And so it's funny because Inever would have thought this
was a dream of mine, but I'mactually living my dream right
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now.
And so in this process of likeservicing and working for
others, my Reiki business reallystarted to take off.
And it was just by word of mouthand so and so and this, and now
I work with Couples, I work withfamilies, I work with their
kids, with friends, and it'sjust such an honor.
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It's an honor and a pleasure tobe able to serve in this way.
And now what I do is so muchmore than just Reiki.
I'm a breathwork facilitatornow.
I do coaching with nervoussystem regulation.
I've been trained with traumaand resiliency, life coaching.
So I really love to help peoplecurate their inner sanctuary,
regulating their nervous system.
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Then that's when we can hear,feel, listen to that inner voice
and intuition when this is whenwe can be still with this.
And so I love to help people dotheir own self healing and
empowering them in their ownwork and there being an
assistance and guide for them.
And yeah, my Reiki practice hasreally turned into just more
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Reiki, and I don't really, I doReiki, but it's really more of a
shamanic quantum energy that I'mworking with, but Reiki built
the foundation of that.
What that looks like in thesession is that can be like
drumming, that can be rallyingon people to move that dense
energy, that can be bringing inascended masters bringing in
divine guides, bringing in lovedones who have passed away to be
in that session with us.
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support that client, whateverthey need.
And so I will do Reiki sessions.
If people see that inner journeyand that regulation, getting
them into parasympathetic mode,but really why I love to, I call
it my radiant shadow session,and that really is bringing in
all senses and making itvisceral and really being a
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partner with the recipient inthat session to get to like the
core, like what's going on here.
Okay.
And if we don't get to the rootsystem, then we're just going to
keep dealing with all these likesymptoms that are outside of us.
And so what I really love to dois first help people feel safe
and supported with no judgmentever, because my word, like who
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hasn't liked stuffed downfeelings, who hasn't like
sedated, who hasn't like pushedit away and be like, I'm not
dealing with this right now.
I don't have time.
This feels gross.
Why do I want to go there?
Right.
Like.
We all have that.
And I've learned to recognizethat's the beautifulness of
being human.
That's just our messiness.
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And so really helping someone toaccept that this is where I am
right now.
And that's okay.
It is what it is.
We don't have to label itanything at all.
It just is.
And so from that place ofneutrality, it really helps
people go inward into maybe thatdark, that shadow, what needs
tending to and asking themquestions to get a layer deeper
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and deeper to kind of get tothose blind spots that we all
have and getting to that core,like, Oh, what's there.
And can I hold that withtenderness?
Can I hold that withunderstanding that what I do now
was probably from somewhere inmy childhood, teenage years.
Maybe it's the first time you'rean adult and you're on your own.
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What was the experience behindthat?
What are the meanings that youmade out of that?
And are those true, right?
Cause that's just all up here.
We just make that all up.
So if we can get rid of likethis, that's not real and come
back to what's the actual truth.
And you are, we are a meaningmaking machine.
And so are those means that wemake empowering or
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disempowering.
So that's why I love to helppeople with is recognizing those
untruths.
And those untruths.
From 13 year old Tiff has beenmaking decisions with Tiff now.
And that's kind of like mindblowing, but the lesson, the
blessing from it is like, Oh mygosh, you know, I have awareness
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with that.
And I understand that becausethat's the best way I knew how
to cope at that age.
I was either trying to likeprotect myself, keep myself
safe.
I'm trying to look good in frontof others or in validation.
Cause I didn't know any otherway.
I mean, there's, we all havedifferent motives.
For the ways that we cope.
And so bring the understandinglike this is just how I, and
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that's okay.
So in understanding that, can Inow show up in life differently
with the new truth, I don't needto cope like that because now I
understand where it came fromand why, but it's no longer
serving me, but this is whatwill.
And so I love to help peoplediscover those truths, those
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untruths and truths.
And then more important, that'slike, let's integrate that.
So now what does that mean inyour life?
How are you going to show up inyour life?
Because, you know, we might haveideas like I love to use the
elements.
Ideas are up here in the ether.
It's also where dreams,passions, intentions go to die.
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I feel like they're birthed hereand they come in from spirit or
intuition.
But to me, then what I love tointegrate with people is like,
let's bring it to the, air.
Let's bring it to the airelement.
Let's share it.
So we're journaling that.
Are you sharing it with someonethat you love and support?
Are you sharing it with me?
Thank you.
And as a coach, I want to,because I care about you, I'm
going to support you and I'mgoing to help hold you
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accountable in a supportive,guiding way with no judgment.
But I know what you want and Iknow your potential because
you've shared with me and I'vecertainly felt it.
So I want to show up for you tohelp you.
Not only express it now movinginto like the solar plexus,
which is the fire element andthat's to act.
Let's go So if it's living uphere, that's great until we kind
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of go express it and act on itWhat was the point?
I mean self discovery, ofcourse, but like that's the real
work That's the real ceremony islike sharing it and expressing
and taking the steps And thenonce we start taking those
steps, then we get to the saferole, the water element and
emotions.
That's where emotions start torise up.
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Oh, where are they going tothink of me?
Am I going to be judged?
I can't do this.
So the beautiful thing is aslong as you keep acting on it,
these emotions come up, but youare still working through it and
it creates this really beautifulsystem.
Doubts rise up, but as you keepwalk, as you keep walking
through it, through the rootchakra, walking through it, then
this starts coming down.
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And like, that's where I want tohelp who I work with to get to
that root chakra, which is likegrounding, stability, support.
And I want to help you be thattree that grows those roots,
grows your roots into yourknowing.
Into your potential because youare at like, be that mountain.
Mountains are stable.
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They're wisdom keepers.
They're so grounded.
So it's like, I want to help youget there.
And so that's really what mypractice, my business is turning
into is not just energysessions, but helping you
integrate, helping empower you,emboldening you, and helping you
transform your life.
Because I'm finding that what Ido is transforming my life.
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It really was.
I never thought I'd be doing aretreat, which I just did in
January with one of my mentors,who's now become a dear soul
sister.
And so I'm just seeing how thesepractices transform my life and
help me see potential and dreamsthat I didn't even know were
there and then how to takeaction with it because, Oh, it's
scary.
Right.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (20:33):
Yeah.
It certain certainly can be.
Yeah.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (20:36):
Yeah.
And the biggest thing I'velearned with that is just to be
courageous doesn't mean you canget rid of the fear or the
nerves, but it's just to keepstepping, step through the fear
one step at a time.
And one thing I've heard islike, whatever I dream, it's not
bigger than me.
It's actually in me.
It's like taking small bitesized pieces to get to what you
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wanted.
And that's how I've built mybusiness.
That's how, I mean, runningbreathwork sessions.
Now I was really nervous to dothat, but I was like, just got
to do it.
And now they're like, well, myfavorite things.
Well, I have so many favoritethings.
It's like favorite children forme.
love breathwork.
I love doing coaching.
I mean, I love it all.
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I love helping people intuition.
But yeah, so this is.
I can only help people with whenI'm actually doing my own life.
And so helping co facilitatethis retreat was a big step for
me because it was like, this wasactually a dream.
This was a dream I had to run aretreat and retreats.
And I was nervous.
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I was really nervous to do this,but I just had to like step
through it.
And I have tools and modalitieshelp calm my nervous system.
Cause it, it is also like, howmuch can my nervous system hold?
And so it's really working withnervous system to bring it back,
to calm myself, making decisionsfrom a clear grounded place, you
know, rather than getting stuckin the frenetic energy of it,
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which I did.
I mean, there were days whereI'd be like, Oh my gosh, I'm so
nervous for this.
What are we going to do?
And I just had to bring it back.
Oh, this is my full time job tofight that fear dragon because
it comes along and it can bestrong.
And I just have to say, I heardthat and I'm still going to
proceed.
Yeah, that's my.
Last for years.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:21):
Wow.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (22:23):
Yeah.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:23):
fir, first off, I just want to thank
you for sharing that andacknowledge the incredible
amount of work you had to havedone on yourself, first and
foremost.
And I remember meeting you atthat ceremony.
I remember exactly where youwere sitting.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (22:39):
You You do.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:40):
Sitting at the foot of your mat, Yeah.
And chatting with you.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (22:43):
Yeah.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:44):
Fast forward four years, who'da,
who'da thunk it.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (22:47):
I know.
So I love it.
Right?
This is the universe.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:51):
Yeah, and, you know, so much of what
you said really resonated withme on a, such a deep level.
And, talking about fear,something that you said, you
know, when you're talking aboutgoing down through the elements
and through the bodies andThrough the chakras and getting
to the sacral chakra where thatwhere emotions are, emotions
start to come up.
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And how do you work throughemotions?
Well, it's, you know, workthrough the emotion of fear
specifically through takingaction.
And it reminded me of a practicethat I learned.
I think I heard this from AndrewHuberman of all places.
Like you, if you feel fear, youmove your eyes side to side and.
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That tricks your brain, becausewhen you're walking forward,
your eyes are scanning theground, so your eyes naturally
move side to side when you'removing forward.
When you, even if you're justsitting still, if you move your
eyes from side to side, ittricks your brain into thinking
that there's forward motion,which helps to, helps you to
work through that fear.
And that's exactly what remindedme of, like, when fear comes up,
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what do you do?
So you take action, you moveforward and you know, one of the
cornerstones of what you'reteaching and your practice, your
personal practice and whatyou're teaching with other
people is a self reliance, youknow, connecting with, you know,
clearing away the debris.
So you can connect with thatdivine spark that's inside of
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you and have that directconnection yourself.
And then learn how to grow thatrelationship and improve that
channel and get more clarity inthose messages and start to
build and develop that abilityto really have trust in
yourself.
And I, I think it's a, just partof our culture where we're
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almost taught to seek outside ofourselves for the answers.
And it's almost like a muscle,like learning to trust your
inner guidance, your innerwisdom.
If you're not doing it, thatmuscle atrophies and it gets
weak to the point where, ratherthan relying on your own
knowledge you're using chat GPTfor everything, or you're
googling everything, or, thismanifests in many different ways
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in our life.
You look to social media to seewhat other people are doing to
find fulfillment in your ownlife.
And again, this is, this takesmany different shapes and forms
in, in our lives.
And, you know, something that'sbeen really present with me
lately is.
Being really aware of when I'mreaching outward for answers and
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trying to find discernment andcreate boundaries of like, what
am I willing to outsource andwhat should I really be focused
on and dedicated to?
learning myself and in whatinstances is it really in my
best interest to maybe take astep back and rather than go the
easy route and seek for answersexternally, where should I just
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maybe spend a little bit of timeand effort to seek those answers
from inside myself.
And I think that's thedifference between self
empowerment and codependency.
Codependency creeps up in somany different areas of people's
lives.
You know, I saw
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (26:07):
mean I don't know what you're talking
about.
Don't know what
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (26:11):
Yeah, I mean, I, I saw,
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (26:13):
self abandoning, like
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (26:15):
Yeah.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (26:21):
that goes, I don't know.
I
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (26:26):
love as I have for all plant medicines
and like deep love and respectand So much gratitude like my
own experience was it with itwas initially It was a very self
empowering relationship that Ihad with plant medicine when I
first started working with itbecause it was showing me things
inside myself and helping me toconnect with parts of myself
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that I was unaware of as youspoke about.
But then over time, thatrelationship shifted to one of
codependency to where I feltlike I needed it to get those
answers and to reach that placewhere the answers were.
In reality, it was always justme and it was always there.
It's just, you know, over timewith, and that could be for me,
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it was plant medicine, but I'vealso had that with meditation.
Serious meditators and peoplewho, who have spent a lot of
time meditating, they call itbeing addicted to the seat.
And it's like, I experiencedthat as well.
And like the root of it isseeking for answers outside of
yourself.
Even meditation when you'resitting quietly can be a very
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subtle way of escapism and notdealing with the things that are
going on in your life and just,rather than, as you said,
addressing the shadow aspects ofyourself, sitting in complete
silence.
know, it's, it's almost like youstick your fingers in your ears
and you're like, ah, la, likemedic.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (27:46):
don't hear you.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (27:47):
Yeah.
Meditation can turn into that.
And you're, you're focused onleaning into the shadow and your
recognition that the shadow iswhere.
That's where the juicy stuff is,that's where the answers are,
that's where the rubber hits theroad, that's where you're going
to find what you're looking for.
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It's not, it's if what you werelooking for was in plain sight,
you wouldn't be looking for itanymore.
So it's, So it's, it'ssomewhere, if you're yearning
for something, like the answeror whatever it is, it's
somewhere.
But it's not in plain sight, soIt's in the shadow.
Man, this is such a anincredible and lovely
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transformation that you've gonethrough and going through it
yourself and now helping otherpeople on a one on one level
coaching individually.
And I think during our lastconversation, I got a strong
sense.
I was like, Yeah, this isevolving into more than one on
one.
You already had the retreatplanned and I had a sense like,
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Oh, this is going to be a, youleading retreats and helping
people groups of people andholding space for more.
And I think it's a, just anevolution.
First, you have to learn how tohold space for yourself and do
the work yourself, and then yougather tools and you learn what
works for you.
If that resonates with otherpeople, they will be drawn to
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it.
And then you start working withpeople one on one, and it just
keeps expanding and to where youare now, to the point where your
practice and your methodologyhas evolved such that you can
hold space for groups of peopleand for more energy, for more
situations, because things comeup in, in retreats.
So.
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I'm curious about how that,like, your thinking going into
the first retreat, like thebefore and after, like what met
your expectations, what didn'tmeet your expectations, what
surprised you.
Yeah, I'd love to know moreabout that first retreat and
like the before and the after.
And just the, maybe notnecessarily details, but your
experience of it.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (29:55):
I will, I do want to say.
This retreat.
I think what was great for myfirst retreat really is that I
was a co facilitator, and sothat helps a lot when you have
someone else that you're intandem with and working with,
you know, and I did this retreatwith, I did a three week
training in Sedona last summer.
I lived there for three weeks,trained with my mentor.
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Anahata Ananda.
She owns Shine in Sedona.
It's a place where they holdretreats, breath work,
trainings.
And so it was actually throughthat training where I was able
to widen my range of how I cansit with people actually and be
with people.
And I say this because thisreally helped the stage for
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holding a retreat, being able tosit with people in absolute rage
and grief.
To the other end of completebliss, like blizzgasmic, like,
and being able to, from thatrange, being able to hold that
space and be with people and nottaking it on, but like carrying,
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but not carrying.
And so I want to just say thatbecause that really helps set
the stage of me being able tohold range with people and with
more people.
And it was after this retreatthat I said, I want to run
retreats.
Like, what are your next stepsafter this three week training?
And yeah, she approached me andsaid, let's do a retreat.
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And so I was like, okay,universe, like if you said it,
here you go.
And this is kind of how thingshave been happening.
If I say that I want somethingand I'm putting it out to that
to the energy field, things arecoming into me.
And I just believe that now thatwhen I put it out there.
Trust the timing and it willcome in.
And so that's kind of how thisretreat happened.
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And so being able to cofacilitate it with her, he's
done this for two and a halfdecades.
I just have to be reallytransparent with this really
took a lot of the nerves away.
Because I have seen how sheholds a container, obviously as
in it with it for three weeks.
And so I think when he's wantingto do it, I think if you can
team up with someone that youtrust and is in integrity with
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themselves and their work, Sopivotal, so important.
And so just having a partner youcan do that with is huge, I
think, especially for your firstone, you know, because there's a
lot of logistics.
And fortunately where we did itwith, and we did it with shine,
they take care of all that.
They take care of marketing.
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So I didn't have to do a lot ofthat.
So what did I expect the firsttime?
I didn't know what to expect.
I didn't know because I'd beenthrough this process.
I knew how transformative it wasgoing to be.
I didn't know how much I knew itwas going to be deep healing and
I knew it was going to be, andso her and I worked out like
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what we're going to do, howwe're going to do it.
And so just being kind ofplanned, having logistics,
keeping time.
I would say, I think what Ilearned a lot from holding space
like that, it was two days, twofull days in Sedona, which
Sedona is an amplifier.
I mean, there's quartz crystaleverywhere, vortex energy
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everywhere.
So it's going to amplify.
Either you're really grounded oryou're really up in the ethers,
Enhance emotions, everything,and which is a great place to do
work, do healing.
So I think what was interestingjust kind of on being really
about this is when you'reholding a space for that many
people, you get 10 women.
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And so there's a real practicalside to facilitating that some
people don't really talk about.
And that's really like helpingmonitor how much people share.
And that is a skill.
And I would say learning how todo that before retreat.
And if you're having coachingclients and sessions, I'm so
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glad I've learned how to do thatand to keep boundaries, keep
time, keep people on trackbecause we can go in tangents
and rabbit holes.
I mean, I probably have alreadyon this podcast, but just the
practical side of like, Hey, wehave 10 people.
We want to share what we'redoing.
Then the, we've got to like helpthem, like, just give me the
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seed.
Don't give me all the weeds.
Like what was the takeaway orlike, what's the pearl?
And it's like this because 10shares, five minutes each,
that's an hour.
And so there's just a realpractical side because we want
to stay like that's root chakra.
That's being grounded.
That's being centered.
That's being aware ofsurroundings.
That's being aware of timebecause we want to respect how
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much everybody can share.
And we don't want people justmonopolizing.
I mean, the women there, theywere just so unbelievable, so
insightful and aware that reallywasn't, we didn't have issues
with that at all, but you stillhad to like that focus and then
meeting each participant wherethey are, each woman that was
there was, I didn't expect thatto be it was really beautiful.
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And it was, I just kept goinglike, what what an honor, what
an honor that you trust, youknow, Me, Anahata, and all the
women here in this container toshare these parts of you,
they're really tender.
And so the authenticity that wasthere and the vulnerability that
was there and it was by choice.
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Was surprising to me just in howdeep we were able to go with
these women because that's whatthey were able to offer.
We met each woman wherever theywere at and that was different
for each woman.
And so that was unexpectedbecause I just haven't, and then
have that with 10 women.
Wow.
Pretty unbelievable.
And I think what's reallyimportant about that is learning
how to set a container.
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How do you hold that space?
So how are you clearing thatspace?
How are you anchoring it?
How are you protecting it?
And then most of it, how are youactivating it before any of
these women ever get there?
Like that space is sacred.
And it is like, this is ourspace.
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And we're allowing us to mastersby yourselves, God's source,
life, first energy, whatever youwant to bring in for what
purpose.
And so just at the verybeginning of that, what are we
doing here?
What's our intention.
And then let's hold it, createit.
And protect it with everything.
Because this is sacred.
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This is sacred.
And so from that, and then whenyou build that rapport with
these women, then that's whenyou can go deep.
Because they trust you.
They trust the space, and you'veset the expectations for the
space.
And really being really inintegrity with that space.
I just was, I've always knownthat's important.
It's what I've done, butespecially within a retreat and
that many women, that muchenergy and everybody's lived
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experience that are bringinginto that space.
So we have to honor that.
We have to help people know howto like share because we don't
want to share the details ofmaybe our deepest, darkest
experiences, traumas, butcertainly you can share some of
that, whatever you'recomfortable with and we can
uphold that and help you.
And then there was groupcoaching that was going on,
which.
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I haven't done a lot of groupcoaching, so that was the other
thing I didn't expect was howpivotal just group coaching is
transformational group coachingin that space because when we
share stuff and then when we'reworking with that woman to
support her and what she justshared and integrating it,
processing it it's, there'salways someone else in that room
that's like, ah, I really, metoo, sister, me too.
(37:30):
And so there's this likelearning by osmosis and by
sharing that was, It's sobeautiful that then really
brings the group together too,because it's like, I hear you.
That's me.
Or I've seen that in someoneelse I know and love, and so
this is how I can take thisinward and this can help me or
help someone I know and love.
So just that grouptransformational coaching within
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the treat was phenomenal andreally transformative.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (37:56):
you know, you, You said something
there and something that I thinkis really important about the
holding the space for theceremony and for the, or for the
retreat and from my point ofview and my experience like.
That space is created when thepeople who are facilitating or
the organizers, when they decideto do it, like when that
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decision is made and everybody'slike, yes, we're in we're doing
this, that's where it starts.
Like, that's when the containerstarts
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (38:25):
Yes.
Good point.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (38:26):
and in my experience anyway and that's
usually very far in advance ofthe actual event itself.
you talked about the beingintegrity with the space, I
think from that point forward,like, if you're, you know, if
you're making a lot of changesor like whatever is happening
beforehand is going to, on anenergetic level, be present in
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the space during the event.
And I think that's.
It's something that's notnecessarily intuitive, and it
wasn't intuitive for me, Ididn't, I had to observe that
over and over again, and finallyI realized, for example, if
there's a really chaotic energyin a ceremony, like afterwards.
I could be like, well, the lasttwo or three weeks have been
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leading up to this, actually.
Like, this maybe didn't have somuch to do with the people that
were in that space, or maybethey didn't bring it.
Maybe, we kind of fostered thatin, in the preparation and vice
versa.
Cause like, you could have abunch of people with some really
severe trauma come in and, youknow, just they're all over the
place.
And if the space had been setand created.
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kept in integrity and reallywith a really clear intention
and like a solid foundation,those people can come into that
space and not jostle it at all.
And this space will remain verysteady and clear.
I'm really glad that you broughtthat up and mentioned that
because I think it's something alot of people learn through
trial and air and over a longperiod of time.
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It's like, no, that like thepreparation is like all the
preparation, your mindset, whatyou're doing, the facilitators,
the people who are organizingit.
Like you bring that from themoment the seed is sprouted.
So to speak.
All of that time in betweencarries through into the space.
And I'm really glad that youvoiced that and you brought that
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up.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (40:19):
Yeah.
Well, and thank you.
Thank you for refining it evenmore because.
Yes, your intention with aretreat has got to be solid.
What is it that we're wanting toprovide for the people who are
coming?
So your intention when you wantto do that retreat and creating
that is pivotal.
And then that guides you througheverything that you're doing.
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And then as a facilitator,you've got to be grounded.
So you're so right.
What energy am I bringing intothis?
It's not just that people areattending, but what's my energy
at?
My grounded and my centered andmy focus.
Am I aligned?
So how have I been preparing asa facilitator to be able to
facilitate others?
And so thank you for me thatbecause you as a facility,
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you've got to be an integrityand you've got to walk the walk
because you're right.
Otherwise, that container isgoing to get real wobbly.
And if you're not, if you're notpresent as a facility, you're
going, I need to do this.
We got this up next.
It's like you should knoweverything you're doing line
item an approximate time so thatyou are not absent.
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Thinking of something else oflike, what's the next activity?
Like you need to be so prepared,you know what we're doing so
that you are there grounded andcentered and attuned to those 10
individuals.
Cause they're trusting you, me,us, whoever's facility, they are
trusting us with their energy,with their experiences, their
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emotions.
Some really like tender parts ofthemselves.
And so as a facilitator, youfirst.
I've got to really be anintegrity with why you're there,
what you're doing and how am Ishowing up for sure.
And so good point.
Thank you for refining that.
But yeah, that's even before youeven do the retreat, saying that
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intention,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (42:04):
As you got through the retreat and, it
sounded like you held a prettypretty solid space for people to
go deep and, that's incredible.
And looking back on it now thatyou have a little bit of space,
you know, it's been a few weekssince then, like, what are your,
what are you feeling rightafterwards?
And what are you feeling now?
Like how has your perception ofthat event changed over the last
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few weeks?
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (42:26):
You know, it's funny, you know, I
would say like the first day wasreally deep healing
transformation.
And then the next day was muchmore nourishment.
And I think one thing I learnedthat I want to share too, is
when you're going into thosedeep sacred spaces.
It's really important to balanceit out with levity and fun when
appropriate.
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And one thing I learned is ifyou're always just going into
the deep, your clients, yourrecipients, they kind of lose
trust.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (42:53):
Hmm.
Hmm.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10 (42:55):
Ability to balance the deep with the
levy and our humanists and somefun and some funny jokes when
appropriate, of course, butthat's the one thing I learned
with a retreat is it's like,this is deep healing work, but
we've got to bring joy, right?
Like once we release, what arewe filling it up with?
And that second day was reallylike, okay, here's what you've
released all the first day.
Here's the blind spots, theshadow work, you've brought
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light to it.
What are we feeling that thosespaces up from within?
And now what are those nextsteps?
So when you go back into thisworld.
As a different woman, becauseyour energy is totally
different.
Now your truths and your beliefsabout yourself are totally
different.
So how are you going to show upnow?
So I love the integrating part.
And so looking back on theretreat You know, I'd come home
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each night and I was tired, butin a good way, because it's like
focus, but it's a focus that Ilove.
I think that's the difference.
I was like, I love this being inservice this way.
And so I didn't, I thought I'dbe more tired.
I think it was like the dayafter the retreat where I was
like, like, okay, you know, justto be honest, like, okay, it's
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time to kind of go inward now.
And looking back on it, youknow, we already had a second
retreat planned.
Before we even finished thefirst one, we already knew what
magic was coming.
And so we're like, let's justget another one on the books so
that we can share that.
And after the retreat, I wasjust, there was so much
gratitude.
I was just like, so likegrateful for these women who
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showed up, man, they did somebeautiful work.
And then them just connectinginto their essence again is what
we wanted to do.
We're not.
I'm not doing anything for you.
We're just providing a space andgiving you some assistance.
So the graduate, these women whoshowed up, the gratitude or the
trust that they had in me, I wasjust so full of gratitude to be
in that space to do that.
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So grateful for the women,grateful for the experience.
And it's just kind ofhighlighted the work that I
really love to do.
And this is like those cosmicbreadcrumbs I'm just following,
like this is the tractor pool.
I'm like, ah, I love doing this.
So just so much gratitude forthe experience and excitement
for the next one, really.
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And I didn't need to be asnervous as I was, but you know,
that's just how we are.
That's just being human.
Like when it's something new andI realized I was like, I'm not
really nervous.
I'm more excited.
And so really learning how to belike, this isn't nervous.
I'm actually excited.
I'm more excited than I amnervous, but it's just
unfamiliar.
And so now with the familiarityof another retreat coming up, I
am like, let's go, I'm soexcited.
(45:28):
And we're going to make somerevisions just to be honest, you
know, you never know until yourun it through.
And so we're already kind ofrevising and adding some more
things in some more likejuiciness and excitement and
fun.
The healing, the deep work isthere, but we're going to bring
in a little bit more likemovement, I think a little more
somatic.
So, Yeah, looking forward.
(45:49):
I just, I'm excited to do this.
I want to do more.
I'll eventually do them on myown whenever that timing is
right.
So yeah, just gratitude.
of really being able to do itand realizing, Hey, this was a
dream of mine.
I had this dream like less thantwo years ago where I was like,
I think I want to do a retreat.
I don't know what that lookslike.
(46:09):
I don't know where, what, andthen to be able to do a retreat
in Sedona someone who I respectand to co facilitate that with
her in this beautiful sanctuaryof a space.
And to do what we did, I mean,just joy, gratitude and joy of
like, wow, I just lived my dreamand being present for it because
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I have a tendency to like, okay,so what's the next one?
Where are we going?
It's like, Whoa, be with this.
This is the magic.
Be with what's just transpiredthis weekend.
Be with you trusting yourintuition and your knowing, be
with the work that you've donebecause you can't hold space
like this for others.
I can only meet people as deeplyas I've met myself.
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And so it was a really beautifulreflection and just gratitude
and joy.
So what's next?
That's what I'm dreaming of now.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (47:05):
That's amazing and thank you so much
for sharing.
That's powerful on so manylevels and having come from a
background of where Ifacilitated ceremonies for a
long time for a lot of people ina lot of different contexts, you
touched on something and somethings came up for me as you
were talking about yourexperience that I've, been.
Disconnected from like I havehad that experience, it's been
(47:26):
years since I've been in thatrole And just as you were
talking about it Like I wasstarting to feel it again.
I was like, oh my goodness likethe excitement.
Yeah, it's like there's no otherI mean for me it was yeah, yes,
there was always nerves You andthere was always excitement,
like being nervous and beingexcited.
Like those are next doorneighbors.
And,
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (47:46):
Of the words,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (47:49):
and there was never a ceremony going
into one where I didn't havesome sort of butterflies in my
stomach.
I was never just like, justsliding into it, chill.
I may have, it may have appearedthat way on the outside, but I
always.
Had some nerves and I thinkthat's good.
Like that's I think that'shealthy that's that helps you to
that is a sign or a signal thatyou're connected to the people
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in the space and to theexperience that's about to
happen for not only yourself,but for everybody that's
involved and
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100 (48:20):
Right.
And part of that is like, youdon't know what's going to
happen in that space, especiallyplants, plant medicine
ceremonies, ayahuasca, but just,and in any space.
I mean, if we have an agenda andwe're trying to here's what I
want you to feel.
Well, we're so out of integrity,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (48:38):
That's a recipe for disappointment
Every time.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100 (48:42):
that's negating everyone else's own
journey and own path and saying,I know what's best for you.
But yeah, I, yeah, the nervesare there and I think that's
life force energy.
It's like, Hey, this is your,this is part of what you're
supposed to be doing this.
And learning to live withdiscomfort also at the same
time.
Like, okay, can I breathethrough this and just be with
it?
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So what would you want to startfacilitating any type of retreat
then and hearing that in?
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (49:10):
Oh my gosh.
Like it's been honestly, it'sbeen years, I spent a lot of
time in that space for severalyears and then I wasn't doing my
own work.
I wasn't doing my ownintegration.
And I had to basically quit coldTurkey, just walk away from it.
And the last two and a half,three years have just been very
little.
(49:31):
Of any plant medicine, you know,whatsoever and just, and I'm
still integrating those, all theexperiences that I had.
Like, the pendulum has, wasreally far on one end and it
swung really hard to the otherend.
And now I feel it, settling inthe middle somewhere and moving
in that direction of wanting tohold space again, or feeling
(49:51):
like it's appropriate for me.
Because.
You know, I had a lot of work todo and like you said, it's, you
have to be in a good place andbe grounded within yourself and
be trusting of yourself.
And I wasn't for the last coupleof years and I'm starting to,
I'm regaining that and have to,to a large extent, there's still
work to do.
And I think there's always workto do, like, you know, finding
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your center point is always,it's a constant practice that go
until the, until the very end.
It's like, That is the practiceof life, is trying to find that
middle point in a, in anenvironment that's always
shifting.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (50:28):
if you could tell me how to stay
here, somebody tell me how.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (50:31):
heh, yeah,
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (50:32):
Just like, temper.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (50:34):
so it's to answer your question, yeah, I
foresee myself, I know it'scoming in the distant future,
but having this conversationwith you is bringing up some
thoughts and some feelings likeit may be sooner than, yeah,
maybe sooner than I had beenenvisioning.
So yeah, we'll see.
We'll see.
Like you, I'm just following thecosmic breadcrumbs and it's like
(50:58):
saying yes to the thing that'sin front of, you know, if it's
an alignment saying yes, takingthat step and trusting that the
next step on the path will, willbe illuminated when the time is
right for me to take it.
And you know, on that thread.
Maybe the next logical place togo is, you were having your
(51:18):
prior practice working withpeople was more one-on-one.
You've just done this eventwhere you're holding space for
several people and it seems likeyour trajectory is going.
To be doing more of thoseretreats and group work like
that, how do you foreseeyourself transitioning from the
one-on-one work to the one-onmany work and the group work?
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And it may be too early to askthis question, but like how
frequently do you see yourselfdoing retreats
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (51:48):
I don't know.
Good question.
I mean, at least right now, acouple of times a year, a couple
of times a year.
And I think part of that waslike, you know, I'm going to be
offering the same retreat I didin January, in June, in Sedona
again.
And then I'm going to be doingprobably another co facilitation
with a dear sister of mine.
And so that's in the books.
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And so we'd have to see like,what are the different offerings
that I'm doing?
And how many times a year, but Iwould be good with multiple
times a year.
To be honest, I think the B Ithink the beautiful thing about
retreats is that it's a time toget away from your everyday
life, your everyday habits.
Patterns.
Urges, every distractions and soa retreat is really a beautiful
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disruption.
It's a disruptor to your life.
And when you come into it,depending on what the retreat is
with your intention, you get theluxury of just being with
yourself.
And what is it that you aretrying to release, let go of,
let be, bring in and curate.
What is a life that you'rewanting to curate?
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And so that's a beautiful partof a retreat.
And I mean, to offer that topeople, I would love to do it a
lot.
That's where I don't know yet.
And I think a lot of it is I seemy business as far as I kind of
what you're talking abouttransitioning from one to one to
group.
That's kind of exactly where Iam right now.
(53:14):
And this is where I am trying tofigure that out.
And I, truthfully, I'm kind oflike researching, like, what
does that look like?
How would I do it?
And then also trusting thedivine timing, my intuition and
source, because I'm like how cansource act through me for it?
And so really leaning into thatand trusting the timing.
(53:35):
And so I foresee probably likesetting up group coaching
containers.
Of like, I don't know how manywomen yet, but leading them
through like, let me be likefour, six, eight week.
And this is what I've been rightnow.
I'm kind of percolating on issetting up that container.
And then it can have a reallybeautiful segue to the retreat
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experience that would be curatedto what we've just done within
this supportive container that'sbeen created.
So that's kind of why ultimatelyseeing it.
So right now, it's like, it'sall up here.
So now I'm sharing it.
So now it's like, okay, juststart acting on this, you know,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (54:13):
Yeah
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (54:14):
and the beautiful thing with that
is.
It's not just coaching, but it'slike energy work, teaching
people how to work with theirenergy, clearing the clutter,
like you said, so that we canget still building that
intuition, the inner knowing,radiating that nervous system
working with your energy to helpwith that.
And then using breath work andcoaching modalities that I have.
So it's kind of, I'm in a reallybeautiful place right now where
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everything is alchemizing.
All the modalities, all thetrainings, everything that I've
done is really like percolatingand coming together.
And so I'm kind of in, I'm increation mode while I'm still
doing my practice in mybusiness.
So I'm kind of creating thisright now.
So
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (54:55):
I have a feel.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100 (54:56):
that's the plan and then creating
community around that.
Once we have a retreat, helpingyou integrate after the retreat,
having a Facebook community,just so that these people, I
don't know if it's going to bemen or women.
I really, I think some retreatswill be coed.
Some will just be women andpossibly just men.
Cause I do love working men.
That's a totally differentenergy.
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Yeah.
It's a beautiful energy, butit's really different from
women.
And I am drawn to that work intothat service too.
So I don't know.
I'm just, This is kind of what'sgoing on right here and building
community.
Cause I want people to helpsupport.
I want to empower people so thatI just don't need to come to
TIFF for everything.
I, none of my clients, I'm like,what do you think?
I want to empower other peoplein their own inner knowing and
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trusting themselves.
And then relying on their peersand whoever they meet through
these experiences to help them.
And then they can go and dotheir own thing and build their
own communities and support it.
So
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (55:50):
yeah.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (55:51):
yeah, that step from one to one to
like group is where I'm like,okay, I do this.
I did a retreat, but like, Iwould like to make some steps in
between or
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (56:00):
Yeah.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (56:00):
hold a retreat that has nothing to do
with a coaching container.
I just, so
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (56:05):
Yeah.
Based on everything you justsaid there, I think at some
point in the future when thisalchemizing is, you know, when
things are more solid and itsounds like you're still working
on like really working on yourcore offering and things are
still coming together for you.
And I feel like this is almost aprequel.
(56:25):
This conversation is almost aprequel and we'll have to have
another conversation and
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (56:29):
feel like our conversation before was
a prequel to this conversation,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (56:33):
yeah just keep building on it and I
feel like we'll at some pointwe're gonna have another
conversation we'll be able tolook back at this one and be
like oh my gosh like now lookwhat I'm doing and that's now
like look at this all the thingsthat we've talked about And
things that you'd voiced, like,yeah, I mean, that's, and I love
(56:54):
your process and youracknowledgement that, you know,
things come from the ether andthey come here and then you
speak them, first speak theminto existence and then you have
to, you know, you say somethingand then you take action and
then the manifestation comes.
It's not a, it's not just like alightning bolt.
So So there's, there's
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100 (57:11):
which, Yeah,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (57:14):
There can be those lightning bolt
moments, I believe, from time totime.
And I think people want that onsome level.
And really, that can be verydisruptive to your life when
those lightning bolt momentshappen.
And in a more ecological andhealthful way to manifest things
is, It's the process that youtalked about and, you know, one
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step at a time and bring thingsinto your reality in a way
that's maybe not so disruptiveto your life or maybe doesn't,
you know, throw everythingupside down and in your world.
Tiffany, thank you so much.
Thank you for sharing.
I appreciate your candidnessand, you know, everything that
you shared about the process andyour experience and, where you
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see things going.
Again, we'll have to haveanother conversation in the
future to check back in and seehow things are going.
But thank you so much.
I'm really looking forward toseeing where life takes you and
the direction of your life.
Your business and your practiceand this modality that you're
developing that's unique to you.
I believe it's gonna have aLarge impact on a lot of people
(58:20):
and already more so than italready has I feel that in my
heart that you're The servicethat you're bringing to the
world is going to impact a lotof people and I'm here to
support you and I highly suggestanybody who's interested in
working with Tiffany to, orlearning more about what she's
doing to connect with her, allof her links will be in the show
notes and, but if you want to,if you want to just share what
(58:40):
the best way for people to, toconnect with you is, I'd love to
hear it.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (58:49):
which really, when I named my
business, it just came to me andnow I see it being light on the
shadows and it's radiant.
We are all radiant even withinthe shadows.
So, um, The name of my businessis Radiant Shadow Healing.
And so great way to find me is Ihave a website.
www.
radiantshadowhealing.
com Instagram, it's the samething, one word, radiant shadow
(59:13):
healing.
And so those are the two placesyou can find me the easiest.
So all my offerings are there toschedule, I see in person and
virtual.
So you can see, you can curateyour experience.
I've got a lot of differentthings I can bring to people and
I welcome and I'm excited forthe next conversation that we'll
have.
And I'm happy to share what I'velearned, the mistakes.
(59:36):
Failing forward things that I'msure are going to happen and
what's worked and hasn't andhappy to share that with you and
your audience.
And I just want to thank you,Ian, for really creating this
beautiful container in space forme to feel comfortable and
entrusting you and you leadingus through this conversation.
So thank you for creating such.
(59:56):
The beautiful space of integrityand authenticity, and I'm so
glad our paths have crossed.
It's still just so crazy.
Four years ago, and you wereliterally like helping me like
birth this energy.
I was just, I was thank you.
I think this is the humor of theuniverse.
It's just like you too.
(01:00:17):
You're meant to like cross pathsand introduce people to Ian and
introduce me to your audience aswell.
So thank you.
I'm honored.
And it's been just an absolutejoy and pleasure to have this
conversation with you.
So thank you, Ian.
ian_1_02-22-2025_1106 (01:00:34):
Likewise, Tiffany, and until next time
everybody out there, take careand be well.
to sit with ayahuasca is not for
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the faint of heart that changed,honestly, the direction of my
life, like a one 80.
The most important thing istuning into your intuition,
tuning into your body and yourenergy and you receiving the
messages, learning how to shiftthat energy to bring you into
alignment.
Ideas are up here in the ether.
It's also where dreams,passions, intentions go to die.
(00:25):
What energy am I bringing intothis?
It's not just that people areattending, but what's my energy
at?
My grounded and my centered andmy focus.
Am I aligned?
So how have I been preparing asa facilitator to be able to
facilitate others?
HypeMiC & FaceTime HD Came (00:41):
What is up?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Complete Retreat Podcast.
Today, my amazing guest isTiffany Green.
Tiffany is a Reiki master,teacher, and retreat leader
based out of Arizona.
Now, I've been super excited tohave this conversation because
Tiffany has a really incrediblestory and when I first met her,
she was not where she is today.
(01:03):
One of the main reasons why Iwanted to talk to Tiffany was to
hear her journey from not reallyhaving much experience with
ceremonies or retreats to being,to the point now where she's
facilitating retreats andhosting them.
She's made some remarkableprogress in just a couple years.
And I know there are a lot ofpeople who feel really called to
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facilitate ceremonies.
So I wanted to hear what it waslike for her going from the very
beginning to where she is now.
I'm really grateful to Tiffanyfor sharing her story, and I
know that there are going to bea lot of people who find
inspiration in what she shares.
In addition to that, we talkabout all sorts of things, like
what it takes to regulateyourself as a sensitive person,
(01:45):
how energy flows and moves inthe body, some of the things
that Tiffany experiencedfacilitating her first retreat
that she wasn't aware of allkinds of interesting topics.
So without any further ado,let's just get into it.
ian_1_02-22-2025_11065 (01:58):
Tiffany, it's so good to see you again.
And, you know, we spoke a fewmonths ago and had a
conversation about doing aninterview.
And during that time you werejust getting ready and preparing
for your very first retreat andbeing in the, in the role of
hosting and facilitating yourfirst retreat.
So I believe everything happensfor a reason and there was some
(02:21):
delays and it didn't happenbefore.
And now I'm really excited.
To hear about the experiencethat you had facilitating your
very first retreat.
And I think maybe a good placeto start would be if we can
rewind a little bit and talk alittle bit about how you got
started and what sent you on thepathway to eventually start
(02:44):
leading retreats and kind ofwork our way through that
process to where we are today.
And.
I'd also like to know where yousee yourself going in the future
and how, you know, starting tofacilitate retreats and hosting
retreats has changed yourbusiness and what you're doing
to help people.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (03:00):
Well, I'm so excited to do this.
Thank you for having me in andyeah, we have, we've been
talking about this, but we havea fun backstory and how we
actually met each other, wasreally four years ago,
Valentine's weekend.
And it wasn't a date, but ratherwe met in a plant medicine
(03:23):
journey in ayahuasca three nightceremony, which was my first
time with grandmother ayahuasca.
And you were one of thefacilitators there and you did
such a beautiful job with yourmusic, flute, the panhand,
facilitating, holding space.
And so it was just so fun.
(03:45):
Fast forward to, I don't know,last summer or so to reconnect
through social media.
And I was like, I don't know ifyou remember me.
That was so many, that was somany years ago.
And it was just, it's just beena joy to reconnect.
And who would have thought like,I certainly wouldn't have like
(04:06):
four years later, you and Iconnecting in this way and we've
had different paths and it's letus back here to talk to one
another and see what's going on.
And you have your path you're onin mind, and it's just fun to
see how it's intertwined back.
So thank you for having me andthank you
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (04:23):
Oh, it's a pleasure.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (04:24):
go for holding such a beautiful
sacred space for me really tostart this journey.
I mean, that's really where allthis began with my story.
I would say I'll make it quickand concise, but you know, to
sit with ayahuasca is not forthe faint of heart and it's not
something fun that you do.
(04:44):
But I was really pulled to itfor.
The sacred, deep changes that itmakes when you go there with
intention to really heal theseparts of yourself that you
didn't even know were there.
And so it was through that threenight ceremony where I had some
really big takeaways, thatchanged, honestly, the direction
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of my life, like a one 80.
I didn't anticipate that at all.
But it connected me to source,the spirit, the divine in a way
that I hadn't before.
And that couldn't compete with43 years of growing up in a
religion.
The, I just wasn't able toconnect so directly with source
(05:29):
and spirit and it changed meforever.
And I now Or then it reallyshowed me that I can source that
from within and no longerexternally sourcing that
intuition and that knowing andlistening to other people who I
think know more about it orprophets or clergy or anything
(05:50):
like that.
And so to recognize that I havethat direct source, that direct
connection was everything.
And so within that experience,it opened up this trust within
me, this inner knowing that'salways been there.
And definitely a lot ofintuitive gifts that I think
that had been laying dormant forme.
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Mainly like clairsentience,which is that ability to feel
things through the body.
Like clairvoyance, the abilityto see things, clairaudience.
I mean, they all came online inthat ceremony of three nights.
And I came out of that and I waslike, how do I manage this?
Because now I can feel myenergy.
I could feel the energy aroundme with such sensitivity that
(06:33):
immediately it was, I mean, Ireached out to the facilitator
and said, do you have atherapist?
I'll understand someone who'sdone psychedelics and energy
because what is, what's going onhere?
I am so highly attuned andsensitive now.
But what a gift and so manygifts that.
I was shown because it's likemedicine doesn't bring things to
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you, but it only brings upwhat's already there.
And so that's where this startedis just this deep desire for
change.
I was doing all the things,doing all the religion and just
wasn't cutting it anymore.
And so I needed somethingradically different.
And so that's where ceremonycame in and meeting you.
And then it really changed mylife.
And so after that I got therapyand she's the one who pointed me
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in the direction of Reiki.
I remember she held up tuningforks and just said, okay, I'm
going to do tuning forks andtell me what chakra this is,
where you feel it at.
And I did it and the tuningfork, I would listen to it and I
would just see solar plexus,crown, heart, throat.
And I didn't know, I was justsaying whatever felt good and
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where I felt it in my body.
And afterwards she was like,okay, sister, like, this is a
calling.
You just need some assistance,some guidance on how to work
with energy.
And so that began my Reikienergy.
So I first went to my firstsession and it was incredible.
No words.
After I could feel all theenergy moving through different
parts of my body, had differentmessages coming in with a
(08:03):
different energy.
I mean, it was just thisspiritual awakening for me,
honestly.
And my mentor, who's my Reikimentor was like, you should
really learn how to just doenergy work for yourself.
And I was like, yes, please.
Because what was happening atthe same time is I was
deconstructing the religion Igrew up in, which was, I grew up
Mormon my entire life.
(09:26):
So after the ceremony, I waslike, what I just experienced
three nights cannot compete with43 years of religion.
And it had opened up this wholenew world.
And so it was a complicatedprocess of where I was
deconstructing.
And then with learning Reiki,energy, chakras, intuitive
abilities, Connect to myintuition.
It was a beautiful, likedeconstructing, deconstructing,
(09:49):
but also reconstructing.
So it was kind of this odd worldand energy work literally saved
me, helped me do the deep workof undoing a lot of kind of old
conditioning, programmingbeliefs and truths from
religion.
And just believes about myselfthat I'd gathered from my lived
experience.
So Reiki, learning Reiki, Iappreciate it so much because it
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is.
Structured and it gives guidanceand I need that.
Not everybody does, but I reallylove the structure of Reiki
within that structure.
The most important thing istuning into your intuition,
tuning into your body and yourenergy and you receiving the
messages, learning how to shiftthat energy to bring you into
alignment.
And I really appreciated thatbecause It was okay, here's the
(10:34):
scaffolding and then you get tobuild the building.
Like, here's the foundation, youbuild the building.
So, it's Been quite the journey.
And then from there it was like,oh no, this has been so helpful
and beneficial to me.
It was just this pool.
It was like, okay, now I want tobe in service to others with
doing energy work because ofwhat it's done for me.
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I mean, it helped regulate mynervous system.
We talked about like innerknowing, intuition definitely
helped my spirituality,connecting to source, God, life
force, energy, whatever you wantto call it.
And so it led me to the path oflike, you know, I want to become
a Reiki practitioner.
And And so I can't explain it,Ian, in the other way, but it
was like this like tractor beamthat was just like this step,
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then this step.
And I really didn't know whereit was going to lead me.
I just knew, okay, I want to bein service to others.
I want to help others.
I don't know how, but I'm goingto follow these cosmic
breadcrumbs, or really I feltlike a cosmic tractor beam, like
this is it Tiff, next step.
And so I.
Got trained to be a Reikipractitioner and it really
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became, energy work became thisdeep, Like love obsession for
me, I became really anobsession.
How does energy work?
Where does it come from?
And learning just the mechanics,logistics of it, learning about
the fascist system, the nervoussystem.
And so it was this likecompulsion to just learn more
(12:03):
and more because really I wantedto learn it for me, but.
I knew in the back of my mind,it was like, this is so I can
better serve others.
And so if I am going to be anintegrity with serving others, I
want to learn all the things.
The first, this is the trainingground right here.
Like, how do I work on energywith others?
If I don't even know how to workit within my own body and be an
integrity with this.
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And so I would say, you know,getting, doing it for myself,
first of all, it was like huge.
And then learning how to work onother people it's like the next
step in the service.
Cause it was like being inservice of myself now service
and others.
And I had never really thoughtof a retreat before it was, I
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really like if I had to lookback and be like, Oh, this is my
dream.
I didn't even know this was adream.
I mean, I think that's, what'scrazy.
It's sometimes.
We have dreams, but our dreamscan almost limit us.
Or if we're not open to whatwhat's available to us, we can
close ourselves off.
And so it's funny because Inever would have thought this
was a dream of mine, but I'mactually living my dream right
(13:05):
now.
And so in this process of likeservicing and working for
others, my Reiki business reallystarted to take off.
And it was just by word of mouthand so and so and this, and now
I work with Couples, I work withfamilies, I work with their
kids, with friends, and it'sjust such an honor.
(13:26):
It's an honor and a pleasure tobe able to serve in this way.
And now what I do is so muchmore than just Reiki.
I'm a breathwork facilitatornow.
I do coaching with nervoussystem regulation.
I've been trained with traumaand resiliency, life coaching.
So I really love to help peoplecurate their inner sanctuary,
regulating their nervous system.
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Then that's when we can hear,feel, listen to that inner voice
and intuition when this is whenwe can be still with this.
And so I love to help people dotheir own self healing and
empowering them in their ownwork and there being an
assistance and guide for them.
And yeah, my Reiki practice hasreally turned into just more
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Reiki, and I don't really, I doReiki, but it's really more of a
shamanic quantum energy that I'mworking with, but Reiki built
the foundation of that.
What that looks like in thesession is that can be like
drumming, that can be rallyingon people to move that dense
energy, that can be bringing inascended masters bringing in
divine guides, bringing in lovedones who have passed away to be
in that session with us.
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support that client, whateverthey need.
And so I will do Reiki sessions.
If people see that inner journeyand that regulation, getting
them into parasympathetic mode,but really why I love to, I call
it my radiant shadow session,and that really is bringing in
all senses and making itvisceral and really being a
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partner with the recipient inthat session to get to like the
core, like what's going on here.
Okay.
And if we don't get to the rootsystem, then we're just going to
keep dealing with all these likesymptoms that are outside of us.
And so what I really love to dois first help people feel safe
and supported with no judgmentever, because my word, like who
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hasn't liked stuffed downfeelings, who hasn't like
sedated, who hasn't like pushedit away and be like, I'm not
dealing with this right now.
I don't have time.
This feels gross.
Why do I want to go there?
Right.
Like.
We all have that.
And I've learned to recognizethat's the beautifulness of
being human.
That's just our messiness.
(15:34):
And so really helping someone toaccept that this is where I am
right now.
And that's okay.
It is what it is.
We don't have to label itanything at all.
It just is.
And so from that place ofneutrality, it really helps
people go inward into maybe thatdark, that shadow, what needs
tending to and asking themquestions to get a layer deeper
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and deeper to kind of get tothose blind spots that we all
have and getting to that core,like, Oh, what's there.
And can I hold that withtenderness?
Can I hold that withunderstanding that what I do now
was probably from somewhere inmy childhood, teenage years.
Maybe it's the first time you'rean adult and you're on your own.
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What was the experience behindthat?
What are the meanings that youmade out of that?
And are those true, right?
Cause that's just all up here.
We just make that all up.
So if we can get rid of likethis, that's not real and come
back to what's the actual truth.
And you are, we are a meaningmaking machine.
And so are those means that wemake empowering or
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disempowering.
So that's why I love to helppeople with is recognizing those
untruths.
And those untruths.
From 13 year old Tiff has beenmaking decisions with Tiff now.
And that's kind of like mindblowing, but the lesson, the
blessing from it is like, Oh mygosh, you know, I have awareness
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with that.
And I understand that becausethat's the best way I knew how
to cope at that age.
I was either trying to likeprotect myself, keep myself
safe.
I'm trying to look good in frontof others or in validation.
Cause I didn't know any otherway.
I mean, there's, we all havedifferent motives.
For the ways that we cope.
And so bring the understandinglike this is just how I, and
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that's okay.
So in understanding that, can Inow show up in life differently
with the new truth, I don't needto cope like that because now I
understand where it came fromand why, but it's no longer
serving me, but this is whatwill.
And so I love to help peoplediscover those truths, those
(17:43):
untruths and truths.
And then more important, that'slike, let's integrate that.
So now what does that mean inyour life?
How are you going to show up inyour life?
Because, you know, we might haveideas like I love to use the
elements.
Ideas are up here in the ether.
It's also where dreams,passions, intentions go to die.
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I feel like they're birthed hereand they come in from spirit or
intuition.
But to me, then what I love tointegrate with people is like,
let's bring it to the, air.
Let's bring it to the airelement.
Let's share it.
So we're journaling that.
Are you sharing it with someonethat you love and support?
Are you sharing it with me?
Thank you.
And as a coach, I want to,because I care about you, I'm
going to support you and I'mgoing to help hold you
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accountable in a supportive,guiding way with no judgment.
But I know what you want and Iknow your potential because
you've shared with me and I'vecertainly felt it.
So I want to show up for you tohelp you.
Not only express it now movinginto like the solar plexus,
which is the fire element andthat's to act.
Let's go So if it's living uphere, that's great until we kind
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of go express it and act on itWhat was the point?
I mean self discovery, ofcourse, but like that's the real
work That's the real ceremony islike sharing it and expressing
and taking the steps And thenonce we start taking those
steps, then we get to the saferole, the water element and
emotions.
That's where emotions start torise up.
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Oh, where are they going tothink of me?
Am I going to be judged?
I can't do this.
So the beautiful thing is aslong as you keep acting on it,
these emotions come up, but youare still working through it and
it creates this really beautifulsystem.
Doubts rise up, but as you keepwalk, as you keep walking
through it, through the rootchakra, walking through it, then
this starts coming down.
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And like, that's where I want tohelp who I work with to get to
that root chakra, which is likegrounding, stability, support.
And I want to help you be thattree that grows those roots,
grows your roots into yourknowing.
Into your potential because youare at like, be that mountain.
Mountains are stable.
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They're wisdom keepers.
They're so grounded.
So it's like, I want to help youget there.
And so that's really what mypractice, my business is turning
into is not just energysessions, but helping you
integrate, helping empower you,emboldening you, and helping you
transform your life.
Because I'm finding that what Ido is transforming my life.
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It really was.
I never thought I'd be doing aretreat, which I just did in
January with one of my mentors,who's now become a dear soul
sister.
And so I'm just seeing how thesepractices transform my life and
help me see potential and dreamsthat I didn't even know were
there and then how to takeaction with it because, Oh, it's
scary.
Right.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (20:33):
Yeah.
It certain certainly can be.
Yeah.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (20:36):
Yeah.
And the biggest thing I'velearned with that is just to be
courageous doesn't mean you canget rid of the fear or the
nerves, but it's just to keepstepping, step through the fear
one step at a time.
And one thing I've heard islike, whatever I dream, it's not
bigger than me.
It's actually in me.
It's like taking small bitesized pieces to get to what you
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wanted.
And that's how I've built mybusiness.
That's how, I mean, runningbreathwork sessions.
Now I was really nervous to dothat, but I was like, just got
to do it.
And now they're like, well, myfavorite things.
Well, I have so many favoritethings.
It's like favorite children forme.
love breathwork.
I love doing coaching.
I mean, I love it all.
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I love helping people intuition.
But yeah, so this is.
I can only help people with whenI'm actually doing my own life.
And so helping co facilitatethis retreat was a big step for
me because it was like, this wasactually a dream.
This was a dream I had to run aretreat and retreats.
And I was nervous.
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I was really nervous to do this,but I just had to like step
through it.
And I have tools and modalitieshelp calm my nervous system.
Cause it, it is also like, howmuch can my nervous system hold?
And so it's really working withnervous system to bring it back,
to calm myself, making decisionsfrom a clear grounded place, you
know, rather than getting stuckin the frenetic energy of it,
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which I did.
I mean, there were days whereI'd be like, Oh my gosh, I'm so
nervous for this.
What are we going to do?
And I just had to bring it back.
Oh, this is my full time job tofight that fear dragon because
it comes along and it can bestrong.
And I just have to say, I heardthat and I'm still going to
proceed.
Yeah, that's my.
Last for years.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:21):
Wow.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (22:23):
Yeah.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:23):
fir, first off, I just want to thank
you for sharing that andacknowledge the incredible
amount of work you had to havedone on yourself, first and
foremost.
And I remember meeting you atthat ceremony.
I remember exactly where youwere sitting.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (22:39):
You You do.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:40):
Sitting at the foot of your mat, Yeah.
And chatting with you.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (22:43):
Yeah.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:44):
Fast forward four years, who'da,
who'da thunk it.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (22:47):
I know.
So I love it.
Right?
This is the universe.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (22:51):
Yeah, and, you know, so much of what
you said really resonated withme on a, such a deep level.
And, talking about fear,something that you said, you
know, when you're talking aboutgoing down through the elements
and through the bodies andThrough the chakras and getting
to the sacral chakra where thatwhere emotions are, emotions
start to come up.
(23:11):
And how do you work throughemotions?
Well, it's, you know, workthrough the emotion of fear
specifically through takingaction.
And it reminded me of a practicethat I learned.
I think I heard this from AndrewHuberman of all places.
Like you, if you feel fear, youmove your eyes side to side and.
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That tricks your brain, becausewhen you're walking forward,
your eyes are scanning theground, so your eyes naturally
move side to side when you'removing forward.
When you, even if you're justsitting still, if you move your
eyes from side to side, ittricks your brain into thinking
that there's forward motion,which helps to, helps you to
work through that fear.
And that's exactly what remindedme of, like, when fear comes up,
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what do you do?
So you take action, you moveforward and you know, one of the
cornerstones of what you'reteaching and your practice, your
personal practice and whatyou're teaching with other
people is a self reliance, youknow, connecting with, you know,
clearing away the debris.
So you can connect with thatdivine spark that's inside of
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you and have that directconnection yourself.
And then learn how to grow thatrelationship and improve that
channel and get more clarity inthose messages and start to
build and develop that abilityto really have trust in
yourself.
And I, I think it's a, just partof our culture where we're
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almost taught to seek outside ofourselves for the answers.
And it's almost like a muscle,like learning to trust your
inner guidance, your innerwisdom.
If you're not doing it, thatmuscle atrophies and it gets
weak to the point where, ratherthan relying on your own
knowledge you're using chat GPTfor everything, or you're
googling everything, or, thismanifests in many different ways
(25:05):
in our life.
You look to social media to seewhat other people are doing to
find fulfillment in your ownlife.
And again, this is, this takesmany different shapes and forms
in, in our lives.
And, you know, something that'sbeen really present with me
lately is.
Being really aware of when I'mreaching outward for answers and
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trying to find discernment andcreate boundaries of like, what
am I willing to outsource andwhat should I really be focused
on and dedicated to?
learning myself and in whatinstances is it really in my
best interest to maybe take astep back and rather than go the
easy route and seek for answersexternally, where should I just
(25:50):
maybe spend a little bit of timeand effort to seek those answers
from inside myself.
And I think that's thedifference between self
empowerment and codependency.
Codependency creeps up in somany different areas of people's
lives.
You know, I saw
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (26:07):
mean I don't know what you're talking
about.
Don't know what
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (26:11):
Yeah, I mean, I, I saw,
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (26:13):
self abandoning, like
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (26:15):
Yeah.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (26:21):
that goes, I don't know.
I
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (26:26):
love as I have for all plant medicines
and like deep love and respectand So much gratitude like my
own experience was it with itwas initially It was a very self
empowering relationship that Ihad with plant medicine when I
first started working with itbecause it was showing me things
inside myself and helping me toconnect with parts of myself
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that I was unaware of as youspoke about.
But then over time, thatrelationship shifted to one of
codependency to where I feltlike I needed it to get those
answers and to reach that placewhere the answers were.
In reality, it was always justme and it was always there.
It's just, you know, over timewith, and that could be for me,
(27:07):
it was plant medicine, but I'vealso had that with meditation.
Serious meditators and peoplewho, who have spent a lot of
time meditating, they call itbeing addicted to the seat.
And it's like, I experiencedthat as well.
And like the root of it isseeking for answers outside of
yourself.
Even meditation when you'resitting quietly can be a very
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subtle way of escapism and notdealing with the things that are
going on in your life and just,rather than, as you said,
addressing the shadow aspects ofyourself, sitting in complete
silence.
know, it's, it's almost like youstick your fingers in your ears
and you're like, ah, la, likemedic.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (27:46):
don't hear you.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (27:47):
Yeah.
Meditation can turn into that.
And you're, you're focused onleaning into the shadow and your
recognition that the shadow iswhere.
That's where the juicy stuff is,that's where the answers are,
that's where the rubber hits theroad, that's where you're going
to find what you're looking for.
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It's not, it's if what you werelooking for was in plain sight,
you wouldn't be looking for itanymore.
So it's, So it's, it'ssomewhere, if you're yearning
for something, like the answeror whatever it is, it's
somewhere.
But it's not in plain sight, soIt's in the shadow.
Man, this is such a anincredible and lovely
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transformation that you've gonethrough and going through it
yourself and now helping otherpeople on a one on one level
coaching individually.
And I think during our lastconversation, I got a strong
sense.
I was like, Yeah, this isevolving into more than one on
one.
You already had the retreatplanned and I had a sense like,
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Oh, this is going to be a, youleading retreats and helping
people groups of people andholding space for more.
And I think it's a, just anevolution.
First, you have to learn how tohold space for yourself and do
the work yourself, and then yougather tools and you learn what
works for you.
If that resonates with otherpeople, they will be drawn to
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it.
And then you start working withpeople one on one, and it just
keeps expanding and to where youare now, to the point where your
practice and your methodologyhas evolved such that you can
hold space for groups of peopleand for more energy, for more
situations, because things comeup in, in retreats.
So.
(29:34):
I'm curious about how that,like, your thinking going into
the first retreat, like thebefore and after, like what met
your expectations, what didn'tmeet your expectations, what
surprised you.
Yeah, I'd love to know moreabout that first retreat and
like the before and the after.
And just the, maybe notnecessarily details, but your
experience of it.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (29:55):
I will, I do want to say.
This retreat.
I think what was great for myfirst retreat really is that I
was a co facilitator, and sothat helps a lot when you have
someone else that you're intandem with and working with,
you know, and I did this retreatwith, I did a three week
training in Sedona last summer.
I lived there for three weeks,trained with my mentor.
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Anahata Ananda.
She owns Shine in Sedona.
It's a place where they holdretreats, breath work,
trainings.
And so it was actually throughthat training where I was able
to widen my range of how I cansit with people actually and be
with people.
And I say this because thisreally helped the stage for
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holding a retreat, being able tosit with people in absolute rage
and grief.
To the other end of completebliss, like blizzgasmic, like,
and being able to, from thatrange, being able to hold that
space and be with people and nottaking it on, but like carrying,
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but not carrying.
And so I want to just say thatbecause that really helps set
the stage of me being able tohold range with people and with
more people.
And it was after this retreatthat I said, I want to run
retreats.
Like, what are your next stepsafter this three week training?
And yeah, she approached me andsaid, let's do a retreat.
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And so I was like, okay,universe, like if you said it,
here you go.
And this is kind of how thingshave been happening.
If I say that I want somethingand I'm putting it out to that
to the energy field, things arecoming into me.
And I just believe that now thatwhen I put it out there.
Trust the timing and it willcome in.
And so that's kind of how thisretreat happened.
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And so being able to cofacilitate it with her, he's
done this for two and a halfdecades.
I just have to be reallytransparent with this really
took a lot of the nerves away.
Because I have seen how sheholds a container, obviously as
in it with it for three weeks.
And so I think when he's wantingto do it, I think if you can
team up with someone that youtrust and is in integrity with
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themselves and their work, Sopivotal, so important.
And so just having a partner youcan do that with is huge, I
think, especially for your firstone, you know, because there's a
lot of logistics.
And fortunately where we did itwith, and we did it with shine,
they take care of all that.
They take care of marketing.
(32:26):
So I didn't have to do a lot ofthat.
So what did I expect the firsttime?
I didn't know what to expect.
I didn't know because I'd beenthrough this process.
I knew how transformative it wasgoing to be.
I didn't know how much I knew itwas going to be deep healing and
I knew it was going to be, andso her and I worked out like
(32:47):
what we're going to do, howwe're going to do it.
And so just being kind ofplanned, having logistics,
keeping time.
I would say, I think what Ilearned a lot from holding space
like that, it was two days, twofull days in Sedona, which
Sedona is an amplifier.
I mean, there's quartz crystaleverywhere, vortex energy
(33:07):
everywhere.
So it's going to amplify.
Either you're really grounded oryou're really up in the ethers,
Enhance emotions, everything,and which is a great place to do
work, do healing.
So I think what was interestingjust kind of on being really
about this is when you'reholding a space for that many
people, you get 10 women.
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And so there's a real practicalside to facilitating that some
people don't really talk about.
And that's really like helpingmonitor how much people share.
And that is a skill.
And I would say learning how todo that before retreat.
And if you're having coachingclients and sessions, I'm so
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glad I've learned how to do thatand to keep boundaries, keep
time, keep people on trackbecause we can go in tangents
and rabbit holes.
I mean, I probably have alreadyon this podcast, but just the
practical side of like, Hey, wehave 10 people.
We want to share what we'redoing.
Then the, we've got to like helpthem, like, just give me the
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seed.
Don't give me all the weeds.
Like what was the takeaway orlike, what's the pearl?
And it's like this because 10shares, five minutes each,
that's an hour.
And so there's just a realpractical side because we want
to stay like that's root chakra.
That's being grounded.
That's being centered.
That's being aware ofsurroundings.
That's being aware of timebecause we want to respect how
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much everybody can share.
And we don't want people justmonopolizing.
I mean, the women there, theywere just so unbelievable, so
insightful and aware that reallywasn't, we didn't have issues
with that at all, but you stillhad to like that focus and then
meeting each participant wherethey are, each woman that was
there was, I didn't expect thatto be it was really beautiful.
(34:57):
And it was, I just kept goinglike, what what an honor, what
an honor that you trust, youknow, Me, Anahata, and all the
women here in this container toshare these parts of you,
they're really tender.
And so the authenticity that wasthere and the vulnerability that
was there and it was by choice.
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Was surprising to me just in howdeep we were able to go with
these women because that's whatthey were able to offer.
We met each woman wherever theywere at and that was different
for each woman.
And so that was unexpectedbecause I just haven't, and then
have that with 10 women.
Wow.
Pretty unbelievable.
And I think what's reallyimportant about that is learning
how to set a container.
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How do you hold that space?
So how are you clearing thatspace?
How are you anchoring it?
How are you protecting it?
And then most of it, how are youactivating it before any of
these women ever get there?
Like that space is sacred.
And it is like, this is ourspace.
(36:02):
And we're allowing us to mastersby yourselves, God's source,
life, first energy, whatever youwant to bring in for what
purpose.
And so just at the verybeginning of that, what are we
doing here?
What's our intention.
And then let's hold it, createit.
And protect it with everything.
Because this is sacred.
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This is sacred.
And so from that, and then whenyou build that rapport with
these women, then that's whenyou can go deep.
Because they trust you.
They trust the space, and you'veset the expectations for the
space.
And really being really inintegrity with that space.
I just was, I've always knownthat's important.
It's what I've done, butespecially within a retreat and
that many women, that muchenergy and everybody's lived
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experience that are bringinginto that space.
So we have to honor that.
We have to help people know howto like share because we don't
want to share the details ofmaybe our deepest, darkest
experiences, traumas, butcertainly you can share some of
that, whatever you'recomfortable with and we can
uphold that and help you.
And then there was groupcoaching that was going on,
which.
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I haven't done a lot of groupcoaching, so that was the other
thing I didn't expect was howpivotal just group coaching is
transformational group coachingin that space because when we
share stuff and then when we'reworking with that woman to
support her and what she justshared and integrating it,
processing it it's, there'salways someone else in that room
that's like, ah, I really, metoo, sister, me too.
(37:30):
And so there's this likelearning by osmosis and by
sharing that was, It's sobeautiful that then really
brings the group together too,because it's like, I hear you.
That's me.
Or I've seen that in someoneelse I know and love, and so
this is how I can take thisinward and this can help me or
help someone I know and love.
So just that grouptransformational coaching within
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the treat was phenomenal andreally transformative.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (37:56):
you know, you, You said something
there and something that I thinkis really important about the
holding the space for theceremony and for the, or for the
retreat and from my point ofview and my experience like.
That space is created when thepeople who are facilitating or
the organizers, when they decideto do it, like when that
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decision is made and everybody'slike, yes, we're in we're doing
this, that's where it starts.
Like, that's when the containerstarts
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (38:25):
Yes.
Good point.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (38:26):
and in my experience anyway and that's
usually very far in advance ofthe actual event itself.
you talked about the beingintegrity with the space, I
think from that point forward,like, if you're, you know, if
you're making a lot of changesor like whatever is happening
beforehand is going to, on anenergetic level, be present in
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the space during the event.
And I think that's.
It's something that's notnecessarily intuitive, and it
wasn't intuitive for me, Ididn't, I had to observe that
over and over again, and finallyI realized, for example, if
there's a really chaotic energyin a ceremony, like afterwards.
I could be like, well, the lasttwo or three weeks have been
(39:12):
leading up to this, actually.
Like, this maybe didn't have somuch to do with the people that
were in that space, or maybethey didn't bring it.
Maybe, we kind of fostered thatin, in the preparation and vice
versa.
Cause like, you could have abunch of people with some really
severe trauma come in and, youknow, just they're all over the
place.
And if the space had been setand created.
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kept in integrity and reallywith a really clear intention
and like a solid foundation,those people can come into that
space and not jostle it at all.
And this space will remain verysteady and clear.
I'm really glad that you broughtthat up and mentioned that
because I think it's something alot of people learn through
trial and air and over a longperiod of time.
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It's like, no, that like thepreparation is like all the
preparation, your mindset, whatyou're doing, the facilitators,
the people who are organizingit.
Like you bring that from themoment the seed is sprouted.
So to speak.
All of that time in betweencarries through into the space.
And I'm really glad that youvoiced that and you brought that
(40:19):
up.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (40:19):
Yeah.
Well, and thank you.
Thank you for refining it evenmore because.
Yes, your intention with aretreat has got to be solid.
What is it that we're wanting toprovide for the people who are
coming?
So your intention when you wantto do that retreat and creating
that is pivotal.
And then that guides you througheverything that you're doing.
(40:41):
And then as a facilitator,you've got to be grounded.
So you're so right.
What energy am I bringing intothis?
It's not just that people areattending, but what's my energy
at?
My grounded and my centered andmy focus.
Am I aligned?
So how have I been preparing asa facilitator to be able to
facilitate others?
And so thank you for me thatbecause you as a facility,
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you've got to be an integrityand you've got to walk the walk
because you're right.
Otherwise, that container isgoing to get real wobbly.
And if you're not, if you're notpresent as a facility, you're
going, I need to do this.
We got this up next.
It's like you should knoweverything you're doing line
item an approximate time so thatyou are not absent.
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Thinking of something else oflike, what's the next activity?
Like you need to be so prepared,you know what we're doing so
that you are there grounded andcentered and attuned to those 10
individuals.
Cause they're trusting you, me,us, whoever's facility, they are
trusting us with their energy,with their experiences, their
(41:42):
emotions.
Some really like tender parts ofthemselves.
And so as a facilitator, youfirst.
I've got to really be anintegrity with why you're there,
what you're doing and how am Ishowing up for sure.
And so good point.
Thank you for refining that.
But yeah, that's even before youeven do the retreat, saying that
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intention,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (42:04):
As you got through the retreat and, it
sounded like you held a prettypretty solid space for people to
go deep and, that's incredible.
And looking back on it now thatyou have a little bit of space,
you know, it's been a few weekssince then, like, what are your,
what are you feeling rightafterwards?
And what are you feeling now?
Like how has your perception ofthat event changed over the last
(42:25):
few weeks?
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (42:26):
You know, it's funny, you know, I
would say like the first day wasreally deep healing
transformation.
And then the next day was muchmore nourishment.
And I think one thing I learnedthat I want to share too, is
when you're going into thosedeep sacred spaces.
It's really important to balanceit out with levity and fun when
appropriate.
(42:47):
And one thing I learned is ifyou're always just going into
the deep, your clients, yourrecipients, they kind of lose
trust.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (42:53):
Hmm.
Hmm.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10 (42:55):
Ability to balance the deep with the
levy and our humanists and somefun and some funny jokes when
appropriate, of course, butthat's the one thing I learned
with a retreat is it's like,this is deep healing work, but
we've got to bring joy, right?
Like once we release, what arewe filling it up with?
And that second day was reallylike, okay, here's what you've
released all the first day.
Here's the blind spots, theshadow work, you've brought
(43:16):
light to it.
What are we feeling that thosespaces up from within?
And now what are those nextsteps?
So when you go back into thisworld.
As a different woman, becauseyour energy is totally
different.
Now your truths and your beliefsabout yourself are totally
different.
So how are you going to show upnow?
So I love the integrating part.
And so looking back on theretreat You know, I'd come home
(43:38):
each night and I was tired, butin a good way, because it's like
focus, but it's a focus that Ilove.
I think that's the difference.
I was like, I love this being inservice this way.
And so I didn't, I thought I'dbe more tired.
I think it was like the dayafter the retreat where I was
like, like, okay, you know, justto be honest, like, okay, it's
(44:00):
time to kind of go inward now.
And looking back on it, youknow, we already had a second
retreat planned.
Before we even finished thefirst one, we already knew what
magic was coming.
And so we're like, let's justget another one on the books so
that we can share that.
And after the retreat, I wasjust, there was so much
gratitude.
I was just like, so likegrateful for these women who
(44:23):
showed up, man, they did somebeautiful work.
And then them just connectinginto their essence again is what
we wanted to do.
We're not.
I'm not doing anything for you.
We're just providing a space andgiving you some assistance.
So the graduate, these women whoshowed up, the gratitude or the
trust that they had in me, I wasjust so full of gratitude to be
in that space to do that.
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So grateful for the women,grateful for the experience.
And it's just kind ofhighlighted the work that I
really love to do.
And this is like those cosmicbreadcrumbs I'm just following,
like this is the tractor pool.
I'm like, ah, I love doing this.
So just so much gratitude forthe experience and excitement
for the next one, really.
(45:05):
And I didn't need to be asnervous as I was, but you know,
that's just how we are.
That's just being human.
Like when it's something new andI realized I was like, I'm not
really nervous.
I'm more excited.
And so really learning how to belike, this isn't nervous.
I'm actually excited.
I'm more excited than I amnervous, but it's just
unfamiliar.
And so now with the familiarityof another retreat coming up, I
am like, let's go, I'm soexcited.
(45:28):
And we're going to make somerevisions just to be honest, you
know, you never know until yourun it through.
And so we're already kind ofrevising and adding some more
things in some more likejuiciness and excitement and
fun.
The healing, the deep work isthere, but we're going to bring
in a little bit more likemovement, I think a little more
somatic.
So, Yeah, looking forward.
(45:49):
I just, I'm excited to do this.
I want to do more.
I'll eventually do them on myown whenever that timing is
right.
So yeah, just gratitude.
of really being able to do itand realizing, Hey, this was a
dream of mine.
I had this dream like less thantwo years ago where I was like,
I think I want to do a retreat.
I don't know what that lookslike.
(46:09):
I don't know where, what, andthen to be able to do a retreat
in Sedona someone who I respectand to co facilitate that with
her in this beautiful sanctuaryof a space.
And to do what we did, I mean,just joy, gratitude and joy of
like, wow, I just lived my dreamand being present for it because
(46:33):
I have a tendency to like, okay,so what's the next one?
Where are we going?
It's like, Whoa, be with this.
This is the magic.
Be with what's just transpiredthis weekend.
Be with you trusting yourintuition and your knowing, be
with the work that you've donebecause you can't hold space
like this for others.
I can only meet people as deeplyas I've met myself.
(46:55):
And so it was a really beautifulreflection and just gratitude
and joy.
So what's next?
That's what I'm dreaming of now.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (47:05):
That's amazing and thank you so much
for sharing.
That's powerful on so manylevels and having come from a
background of where Ifacilitated ceremonies for a
long time for a lot of people ina lot of different contexts, you
touched on something and somethings came up for me as you
were talking about yourexperience that I've, been.
Disconnected from like I havehad that experience, it's been
(47:26):
years since I've been in thatrole And just as you were
talking about it Like I wasstarting to feel it again.
I was like, oh my goodness likethe excitement.
Yeah, it's like there's no otherI mean for me it was yeah, yes,
there was always nerves You andthere was always excitement,
like being nervous and beingexcited.
Like those are next doorneighbors.
And,
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (47:46):
Of the words,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (47:49):
and there was never a ceremony going
into one where I didn't havesome sort of butterflies in my
stomach.
I was never just like, justsliding into it, chill.
I may have, it may have appearedthat way on the outside, but I
always.
Had some nerves and I thinkthat's good.
Like that's I think that'shealthy that's that helps you to
that is a sign or a signal thatyou're connected to the people
(48:12):
in the space and to theexperience that's about to
happen for not only yourself,but for everybody that's
involved and
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100 (48:20):
Right.
And part of that is like, youdon't know what's going to
happen in that space, especiallyplants, plant medicine
ceremonies, ayahuasca, but just,and in any space.
I mean, if we have an agenda andwe're trying to here's what I
want you to feel.
Well, we're so out of integrity,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (48:38):
That's a recipe for disappointment
Every time.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100 (48:42):
that's negating everyone else's own
journey and own path and saying,I know what's best for you.
But yeah, I, yeah, the nervesare there and I think that's
life force energy.
It's like, Hey, this is your,this is part of what you're
supposed to be doing this.
And learning to live withdiscomfort also at the same
time.
Like, okay, can I breathethrough this and just be with
it?
(49:03):
So what would you want to startfacilitating any type of retreat
then and hearing that in?
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (49:10):
Oh my gosh.
Like it's been honestly, it'sbeen years, I spent a lot of
time in that space for severalyears and then I wasn't doing my
own work.
I wasn't doing my ownintegration.
And I had to basically quit coldTurkey, just walk away from it.
And the last two and a half,three years have just been very
little.
(49:31):
Of any plant medicine, you know,whatsoever and just, and I'm
still integrating those, all theexperiences that I had.
Like, the pendulum has, wasreally far on one end and it
swung really hard to the otherend.
And now I feel it, settling inthe middle somewhere and moving
in that direction of wanting tohold space again, or feeling
(49:51):
like it's appropriate for me.
Because.
You know, I had a lot of work todo and like you said, it's, you
have to be in a good place andbe grounded within yourself and
be trusting of yourself.
And I wasn't for the last coupleof years and I'm starting to,
I'm regaining that and have to,to a large extent, there's still
work to do.
And I think there's always workto do, like, you know, finding
(50:13):
your center point is always,it's a constant practice that go
until the, until the very end.
It's like, That is the practiceof life, is trying to find that
middle point in a, in anenvironment that's always
shifting.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (50:28):
if you could tell me how to stay
here, somebody tell me how.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (50:31):
heh, yeah,
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (50:32):
Just like, temper.
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (50:34):
so it's to answer your question, yeah, I
foresee myself, I know it'scoming in the distant future,
but having this conversationwith you is bringing up some
thoughts and some feelings likeit may be sooner than, yeah,
maybe sooner than I had beenenvisioning.
So yeah, we'll see.
We'll see.
Like you, I'm just following thecosmic breadcrumbs and it's like
(50:58):
saying yes to the thing that'sin front of, you know, if it's
an alignment saying yes, takingthat step and trusting that the
next step on the path will, willbe illuminated when the time is
right for me to take it.
And you know, on that thread.
Maybe the next logical place togo is, you were having your
(51:18):
prior practice working withpeople was more one-on-one.
You've just done this eventwhere you're holding space for
several people and it seems likeyour trajectory is going.
To be doing more of thoseretreats and group work like
that, how do you foreseeyourself transitioning from the
one-on-one work to the one-onmany work and the group work?
(51:41):
And it may be too early to askthis question, but like how
frequently do you see yourselfdoing retreats
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (51:48):
I don't know.
Good question.
I mean, at least right now, acouple of times a year, a couple
of times a year.
And I think part of that waslike, you know, I'm going to be
offering the same retreat I didin January, in June, in Sedona
again.
And then I'm going to be doingprobably another co facilitation
with a dear sister of mine.
And so that's in the books.
(52:09):
And so we'd have to see like,what are the different offerings
that I'm doing?
And how many times a year, but Iwould be good with multiple
times a year.
To be honest, I think the B Ithink the beautiful thing about
retreats is that it's a time toget away from your everyday
life, your everyday habits.
Patterns.
Urges, every distractions and soa retreat is really a beautiful
(52:34):
disruption.
It's a disruptor to your life.
And when you come into it,depending on what the retreat is
with your intention, you get theluxury of just being with
yourself.
And what is it that you aretrying to release, let go of,
let be, bring in and curate.
What is a life that you'rewanting to curate?
(52:54):
And so that's a beautiful partof a retreat.
And I mean, to offer that topeople, I would love to do it a
lot.
That's where I don't know yet.
And I think a lot of it is I seemy business as far as I kind of
what you're talking abouttransitioning from one to one to
group.
That's kind of exactly where Iam right now.
(53:14):
And this is where I am trying tofigure that out.
And I, truthfully, I'm kind oflike researching, like, what
does that look like?
How would I do it?
And then also trusting thedivine timing, my intuition and
source, because I'm like how cansource act through me for it?
And so really leaning into thatand trusting the timing.
(53:35):
And so I foresee probably likesetting up group coaching
containers.
Of like, I don't know how manywomen yet, but leading them
through like, let me be likefour, six, eight week.
And this is what I've been rightnow.
I'm kind of percolating on issetting up that container.
And then it can have a reallybeautiful segue to the retreat
(53:56):
experience that would be curatedto what we've just done within
this supportive container that'sbeen created.
So that's kind of why ultimatelyseeing it.
So right now, it's like, it'sall up here.
So now I'm sharing it.
So now it's like, okay, juststart acting on this, you know,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (54:13):
Yeah
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655 (54:14):
and the beautiful thing with that
is.
It's not just coaching, but it'slike energy work, teaching
people how to work with theirenergy, clearing the clutter,
like you said, so that we canget still building that
intuition, the inner knowing,radiating that nervous system
working with your energy to helpwith that.
And then using breath work andcoaching modalities that I have.
So it's kind of, I'm in a reallybeautiful place right now where
(54:36):
everything is alchemizing.
All the modalities, all thetrainings, everything that I've
done is really like percolatingand coming together.
And so I'm kind of in, I'm increation mode while I'm still
doing my practice in mybusiness.
So I'm kind of creating thisright now.
So
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (54:55):
I have a feel.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100 (54:56):
that's the plan and then creating
community around that.
Once we have a retreat, helpingyou integrate after the retreat,
having a Facebook community,just so that these people, I
don't know if it's going to bemen or women.
I really, I think some retreatswill be coed.
Some will just be women andpossibly just men.
Cause I do love working men.
That's a totally differentenergy.
(55:17):
Yeah.
It's a beautiful energy, butit's really different from
women.
And I am drawn to that work intothat service too.
So I don't know.
I'm just, This is kind of what'sgoing on right here and building
community.
Cause I want people to helpsupport.
I want to empower people so thatI just don't need to come to
TIFF for everything.
I, none of my clients, I'm like,what do you think?
I want to empower other peoplein their own inner knowing and
(55:40):
trusting themselves.
And then relying on their peersand whoever they meet through
these experiences to help them.
And then they can go and dotheir own thing and build their
own communities and support it.
So
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (55:50):
yeah.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (55:51):
yeah, that step from one to one to
like group is where I'm like,okay, I do this.
I did a retreat, but like, Iwould like to make some steps in
between or
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (56:00):
Yeah.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (56:00):
hold a retreat that has nothing to do
with a coaching container.
I just, so
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (56:05):
Yeah.
Based on everything you justsaid there, I think at some
point in the future when thisalchemizing is, you know, when
things are more solid and itsounds like you're still working
on like really working on yourcore offering and things are
still coming together for you.
And I feel like this is almost aprequel.
(56:25):
This conversation is almost aprequel and we'll have to have
another conversation and
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_10065 (56:29):
feel like our conversation before was
a prequel to this conversation,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (56:33):
yeah just keep building on it and I
feel like we'll at some pointwe're gonna have another
conversation we'll be able tolook back at this one and be
like oh my gosh like now lookwhat I'm doing and that's now
like look at this all the thingsthat we've talked about And
things that you'd voiced, like,yeah, I mean, that's, and I love
(56:54):
your process and youracknowledgement that, you know,
things come from the ether andthey come here and then you
speak them, first speak theminto existence and then you have
to, you know, you say somethingand then you take action and
then the manifestation comes.
It's not a, it's not just like alightning bolt.
So So there's, there's
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100 (57:11):
which, Yeah,
ian_1_02-22-2025_110655 (57:14):
There can be those lightning bolt
moments, I believe, from time totime.
And I think people want that onsome level.
And really, that can be verydisruptive to your life when
those lightning bolt momentshappen.
And in a more ecological andhealthful way to manifest things
is, It's the process that youtalked about and, you know, one
(57:37):
step at a time and bring thingsinto your reality in a way
that's maybe not so disruptiveto your life or maybe doesn't,
you know, throw everythingupside down and in your world.
Tiffany, thank you so much.
Thank you for sharing.
I appreciate your candidnessand, you know, everything that
you shared about the process andyour experience and, where you
(57:58):
see things going.
Again, we'll have to haveanother conversation in the
future to check back in and seehow things are going.
But thank you so much.
I'm really looking forward toseeing where life takes you and
the direction of your life.
Your business and your practiceand this modality that you're
developing that's unique to you.
I believe it's gonna have aLarge impact on a lot of people
(58:20):
and already more so than italready has I feel that in my
heart that you're The servicethat you're bringing to the
world is going to impact a lotof people and I'm here to
support you and I highly suggestanybody who's interested in
working with Tiffany to, orlearning more about what she's
doing to connect with her, allof her links will be in the show
notes and, but if you want to,if you want to just share what
(58:40):
the best way for people to, toconnect with you is, I'd love to
hear it.
tiffany_1_02-22-2025_1006 (58:49):
which really, when I named my
business, it just came to me andnow I see it being light on the
shadows and it's radiant.
We are all radiant even withinthe shadows.
So, um, The name of my businessis Radiant Shadow Healing.
And so great way to find me is Ihave a website.
www.
radiantshadowhealing.
com Instagram, it's the samething, one word, radiant shadow
(59:13):
healing.
And so those are the two placesyou can find me the easiest.
So all my offerings are there toschedule, I see in person and
virtual.
So you can see, you can curateyour experience.
I've got a lot of differentthings I can bring to people and
I welcome and I'm excited forthe next conversation that we'll
have.
And I'm happy to share what I'velearned, the mistakes.
(59:36):
Failing forward things that I'msure are going to happen and
what's worked and hasn't andhappy to share that with you and
your audience.
And I just want to thank you,Ian, for really creating this
beautiful container in space forme to feel comfortable and
entrusting you and you leadingus through this conversation.
So thank you for creating such.
(59:56):
The beautiful space of integrityand authenticity, and I'm so
glad our paths have crossed.
It's still just so crazy.
Four years ago, and you wereliterally like helping me like
birth this energy.
I was just, I was thank you.
I think this is the humor of theuniverse.
It's just like you too.
(01:00:17):
You're meant to like cross pathsand introduce people to Ian and
introduce me to your audience aswell.
So thank you.
I'm honored.
And it's been just an absolutejoy and pleasure to have this
conversation with you.
So thank you, Ian.
ian_1_02-22-2025_1106 (01:00:34):
Likewise, Tiffany, and until next time
everybody out there, take careand be well.
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