The RetreatHelp Origin Story: From Corporate Burnout to Conscious Business Consulting

In this first episode of The Complete Retreat Podcast, I sit down with my co-founder Jarrod to share our story.

We talk about how we went from burning out in corporate jobs to finding healing through retreats, and eventually creating RetreatHelp.

If you're curious about the people behind RetreatHelp or wondering how two guys from completely different backgrounds ended up helping retreat leaders build thriving businesses, this episode is for you.

We get real about our struggles, breakthroughs, and why we're so passionate about the retreat industry.

Visit https://retreathelp.com/discovery-call to schedule a call with us!

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01:08 Meet the Co-Founders: Jarrod Allen and Host
04:53 Jarrod's First Retreat Experience
07:15 Ian's First Retreat Experience
12:29 The Impact of Retreats on Personal Growth
14:54 The Growing Retreat Industry
24:36 The Future of Retreats and Wellness Tourism
33:36 A Transformative Experience in Sonora
35:43 The Power of Community
37:04 Ian's Diverse Retreat Experiences
43:20 From Car Sales to Ayahuasca
52:09 A Journey Through the Cannabis Industry
54:44 Building RetreatHelp

About RetreatHelp:
RetreatHelp is an end-to-end business consulting and marketing systems provider with a mission to simplify the business of retreats, helping conscious leaders sell out their events faster, increase revenue, and have a greater impact with less stress.

We specialize in helping retreat leaders and conscious business owners streamline and scale their businesses through our comprehensive Four Pillar System: marketing, sales, technical systems, and business operations. Using cutting-edge technology, AI integration, and automated solutions, RetreatHelp enables retreat facilitators to focus on creating transformative experiences while reducing manual workload.

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Episode Transcript

Ian (00:00):
I've seen both ends of the spectrum from downtown LA doing

(00:04):
a, ayahuasca, I dare call it aceremony because there was
really nothing ceremonial aboutit, My interpretation was two
demons on the other side of theroom.
Like just scrolling socialmedia, lit up really brightly in
this dark room.

jarrod allen (00:23):
And,it's so interesting how life as we start
to get into alignment, bringsall these things in together to
become important in hopefully,something that is really part of
your calling of what you'remeant to do

HypeMiC & FaceTime HD Came (00:36):
What is up and welcome to the
Complete Retreat Podcast, wherewe talk to retreat creators and
retreat industry experts aboutwhat it takes to build a
thriving retreat business.
Now, I am super excited to getthis going.
This podcast has been a longtime coming.
And I'm so looking forward tobeing able to share awesome
conversations and reallyvaluable insights with everybody

(00:57):
who listens.
Typically, I'll be talking tosomebody different every week
from around the industry.
But today, in honor of the veryfirst episode, I decided to do
something a little bitdifferent.
In this episode, I'll be talkingto Jarrod Allen, who, with
myself, is the other co founderof RetreatHelp.
com.
Now, we spend a lot of timetalking to retreat business

(01:18):
owners and helping them gettheir business from where they
are now to where they want togo.
But we don't spend much timetalking about ourselves.
Very little time, if any,actually.
So we thought it would be a goodidea to share a little bit about
our backstory.
And to talk about how we got towhere we are today.
Both Jarrod and I have quite abit of experience in the retreat

(01:38):
industry, both running retreatsand participating in retreats.
So this is a little sneak peekinto our history, a little walk
down memory lane, if you will,regarding how we got started in
the industry, what draws us tothe industry, why we're so
passionate about retreats, and,just the things that light us up
about helping retreat businessowners.

(02:00):
So I hope you enjoy thisconversation with myself and
Jarrod.
We'll be doing these fairlyregularly, him and I speaking
together, usually about specificretreat related topics, but
yeah, this is a special episodeso we decided to do something a
little different.

Ian (02:15):
my friend, JJarrod what's going on today?
It's good to speak with you.
been speaking for a little bit,but you know, we've.
Talking about having thisconversation for a while, the
fact that, we interact with somany people and are constantly
talking about our business.
we've, I figured it'd be a goodopportunity.
And, you and I both decided thatwe should take some time and

(02:38):
talk a little bit aboutourselves, which is something we
don't do very often.
Again, we're usually focused ontalking to other people about
their business, what we can doto help them get to where they
want to go.
The whole purpose of theComplete Retreat Podcast is to
bring value to our clients,potential clients, people in the
retreat industry, people who areinterested in going to retreats,

(03:01):
people who are thinking aboutmaybe starting a retreat
business, people who have beenin the retreat business for a
long time.
There's always more to learn.
I mean, that's my belief anyway,and I think I could speak for
both of us that.
There's always more to learn,and there's always opportunities
for growth, and the more we canconnect with each other, the
more we can learn from oneanother the better things are,

(03:24):
all around, and you never knowwhen you're going to get that
little negative, of wisdom orinformation that can have a
really big impact on your life,your business, whatever you're
doing.
this is going to be fun.
It's going to be fun.
It's something we've, again, notdone ever really especially in
this context.
And my hope is that the peoplewho watch this can get little

(03:49):
bit more of a feel for who weare and what we're about, where
we came from, our prior historyand experiences to give some
more context about the kind ofwork that we do with RetreatHelp
and why we're so passionateabout what we do and why we do
what we do.
just saying that before wereally get into it, do you have
any initial thoughts, anythinghas anything come up for you?

jarrod allen (04:10):
completely agree and like, we always say this
when we're having theseconversations that, We've had
hundreds of hours ofconversations, and we always say
this, we should have recordedthat bit, that'd be a really
good podcast.
We've had, we've gone on forlike two hours before, just like
talking about all sorts ofstuff, whether it be, a lot to
do with retreat, spirituality,mindfulness, all this sort of

(04:30):
thing.
And I think, yeah, this is areally good thing that, we can
record a little bit and recordthis and share it with other
people.
And, I think it's a definitely agreat idea and something that
we'll be doing a lot more of.
Absolutely.
So yeah, I'm just reallygrateful to be having this
conversation with you and beingable to share it with other
people.
And yeah, thank you everyone forlistening also.

Ian (04:52):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I guess a good place to startis, Jarrod, what was your
introduction, what was yourfirst retreat?
How did you get into this, orlike, what was the beginning,
starting point for you in yourjourney with getting into the
retreat industry?

jarrod allen (05:10):
Yeah.
I mean, looking back, like I, Idon't, No, when I first went to
a retreat, if I reallyunderstood the concept of a
retreat or what was actuallygoing on there, but looking back
now, like, and realizing thatfirst retreat I went to was
probably, mean, it was anayahuasca retreat and that's a

(05:33):
contributing factor, but it'salso the actual retreat going to
that retreat.
Was probably one of the mostpivotal points in my life in
regards to where I am now oversix years later as well.
So yeah, I mean, I came into theretreat space, I came to my

(05:53):
first retreat looking to work onmyself, looking at trying to,
shake off some stuff that hadreally been holding me back for
many years.
Stuff that I couldn't reallyseem to be able to touch on my
own, no matter what I was doing.
And yeah, I went to an ayahuascaretreat in Australia.
And it was very good.
Considering Australia is alittle bit of a grey area when

(06:14):
it comes to plant medicine, sothat everything has to be a bit
underground.
Considering it was underground,they were extremely professional
and delivered the retreat reallybeautifully.
One thing that I find reallyinteresting about this retreat
as well, and now I've been to somany retreats and different ones
participated and, we'll get intothe other stuff after as well

(06:36):
about, the roles that we've hadin regards to leading retreats
and creating retreats.
But one of the funny things Iwas thinking about this today
actually is that That firstretreat, I still get emails from
them, like, as well, I mean,like, being in their system, I
still get emails, like, once amonth with, like, their
newsletter and telling me aboutupcoming stuff that they have
going as well, and I thinkthat's it's really interesting.

(07:00):
Yeah, that was my first, thatwas my first retreat that I ever
went to, and it was extremelypowerful and did really steer me
in a direction, and I do believethat's why I am here.
Now doing what I do, what we doas well.
How about you?
What was what was your firstretreat?
Um,

Ian (07:17):
What I think of a retreat, I think of a transformational
experience.
And for me, if I really see Itwas when I was maybe 11 or 12
when I went to Bible camp.
if I'm really honest withmyself, that was the first
experience that I would considerretreat like.

(07:39):
In retreat, your, a retreatbreaks up your pattern.
It's a pattern interrupt foryour life.
it takes you out of your comfortzone, takes you out of your
normal, whatever you're doing,puts you in a completely
different environment, typicallywith different people and in a
completely different context andthere's usually.
Some sort of goal or like theme,you're trying to accomplish

(08:01):
something, whether it's plantmedicine, yoga, adventure,
retreats, whatever it is.
given that's my definition of aretreat, it would have to be
when I went to Bible camp when Iwas young..
And I remember specifically likespecific things about a couple

(08:24):
of years in the summer, I wentwhen I was pretty young.
Relatively young in that agerange from like 10 to 11 12 13
something like that.
I went two summers in a row andI still have distinct memories
from those experiences.
If you had asked me about likethe, my school teachers, who my
school teachers were during thattime, or what other stuff I was

(08:46):
doing, there's just I would, Icould probably figure it out if
I sat and went back and tried tothink about it and like really
piece it together.
But those experiences were verymemorable.
And I would say that those weremy first, my very first exposure
to a resource in that.
In that context.
And then.
Again, yeah, maybe almost 10years ago when I started doing

(09:12):
plant medicine retreats,ayahuasca here in the U.
S., and that was really, samefor me, very pivotal and changed
a lot in my life.
was living in Las Vegas at thetime, just very lost, I was
working in the shippingdepartment of a scuba gear

(09:32):
wholesaler warehouse based outof Las Vegas, of all places, a
really miserable job, really didnot want to, did not want to be
there, did not know what I wasdoing with my life.
And then, and yeah, it changedmy life.
The end.
Just the everything about it.
It was like really the communityaspect meeting so many like

(09:56):
minded people.
And I felt at a time in my lifewhere I felt really isolated,
really changed a lot for me andbrought me community.
I'm still friends with a handfulof people who were at my very
first ceremony.
We still, I still communicatefairly regularly with several of
them, which is even thinkingabout people from high school or

(10:18):
other periods of my life,there's just not a lot, not that
same kind of bond.
That I experienced with.
those people so yeah, that wasAnd after that it was there's no
turning back for me.
It was I didn't necessarily jumpinto facilitation or leading

(10:38):
retreats or organizing At thatpoint, but it was a steady
progression for me Of continuelike keep continuing to show up
and show up and people start totrust you You start to take on a
little bit more responsibilityover time.
And yeah for me it was just yeahyears of Progressing slowly,

(10:59):
getting to the point where,yeah, now I've got a lot of
experience have been all overthe world, South America, Asia,
done retreats all over theworld.
North America and in differentcontexts again.
So like yoga teacher training inIndia, spent time in Nepal,
Peru, Columbia.

(11:19):
So it's been a really andunexpected journey that, that
since my very first retreat thatI, I would have never, I would
have never anticipated having somany adventures mostly good and

(11:42):
mostly enjoyable.
A lot of, also some that werenot whatsoever enjoyable, but
yeah, coming from a small, veryrural town in middle of nowhere,
Minnesota.
Yeah.
It's.
It's been fun and I'm lookingforward to seeing where, where
this path continues, given thefact that in doing what we're

(12:08):
doing and communicating with somany really cool retreat leaders
and powerful people who are outthere doing incredible work,
it's opening up some pretty cooldoors for us to be able to
potentially have some reallyawesome experiences.
So I'm looking forward to seeingwhere this goes.

jarrod allen (12:26):
Yeah, absolutely, man.
It's yeah, absolutely.
I think it's a reallyinteresting and something to
always remember as we mentionedthat, remembering that, these
singular experiences, whether itbe for a weekend or a week or
whatever it might be.
really do have the opportunityto change people's lives.
And it's very, it's not sayingthat sometimes the retreat's

(12:49):
going to change, but it can bethe direction and the new
perspective, the newunderstanding that they're
gaining through this.
And always keeping that as acore value, it's really
important because again, justlike we're speaking about, you
know,

Ian (13:00):
Yeah, and I mean, for me personally, that's one of the
things that really draws me todoing this work of, in the
context of RetreatHelp where ourwhole mission and our whole goal
is to help retreat.
Business owners and retreatcreators do what they do better,
connect with more people, have athriving business, be able to

(13:23):
run a business.
That's more, more streamlinedand easier to run and more
automated so that they canfocus.
on their given modalities andreally continuing to excel at
that and help change people'slives.
the ripple effect that can comefrom just a single retreat.
You think about all theparticipants, like, and I've
thought about this many times,like, Somebody who attends a

(13:47):
retreat, that retreat doesn'tjust change their lives.
I've seen it over and overagain.
People who are either likeparents or people who are in
families, if they're able topositive beneficial change in
their life, in a way a parentcan relate to their children, if
they have some epiphanies or ahamoments, or they're able to come

(14:08):
to terms with some things and,And make changes in how they
relate to people that changesthe parent that changes the
parents relationship with theirparent that changes their
relationship with their childrenand what their children learn
from their parent is how they'regoing to relate to their parents
like the amount of realsubstantial long term change
that can come from these kind ofretreats and different sort of

(14:31):
transformational events is justIt's hard to quantify and it's a
really special thing.
So, so it's, yeah, to me, it'ssuper exciting.
And, yeah, I'm just, never beenso excited about work I am in
doing this because I know thekind of impact it can have on

(14:53):
the world.
You and I both understand thestatistics around the retreat
business and how it's evolvingand how rapidly it's growing.
So I'm curious to hear from youabout your take on it.
And like, what makes you soexcited about doing what we do
and where you see this going andhow it impacts the people around

(15:13):
us and the retreat participants.

jarrod allen (15:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
Just which will obviously flowinto this as well, remembering
that really important point,like, at its core value, being
heavily involved in something Atquite a big scale and having the
ability to help people be ableto deliver their motalities so
they can make those impacts isjust massive for me, why I

(15:41):
actually mentioned thatbeforehand is that yesterday I
actually got a message from aparticipant from one of our
retreats down in Columbia about12 months ago.
And she spoke about how thatretreat was a big turning point
for her and I didn't realizewhat she'd gone and done and she
she was living in the US at thatpoint and doing like graphic

(16:02):
design and all this sort ofstuff.
But, really wanted to break freeand move into something else.
I heard from her yesterday.
She got my number.
I had changed my number a littlewhile ago from a friend as well.
And she's now this is all comingback to obviously remembering
how much of an impact theseretreats that we're all
delivering can impact people'slives.
But basically, yeah, she's nowdown in Argentina.

(16:23):
She's got like a team of appbuilders and she's trying.
She's building this app basedaround Helping people with
Parkinson's disease be able todo certain types of movements
and meditations and stuff everyday to try and help them through
that, through, living withParkinson's, that's just an
example of like how a welldelivered retreat can not just

(16:46):
affect the person, but then havea carry on effect of something
that could potentially helphundreds, thousands of people,
so, yeah.
But I mean, there's that impact.
There's a human impact of it,which is obviously a key driver.
It's a massive thing.
And it's probably the key.
I know it's a key driver forboth of us.
and being able to help peopledeliver these beautiful

(17:10):
retreats, but it's also verypersonal for me.
And I feel like it's probablyvery similar on the same side of
this for yourself as well.
Is that like, let's be likereally honest, like the world's
a bit of a shit show at themoment.
There's a lot of anxiety.
There's a lot of depression.
There's no, just no what's theword I'm looking for?
But it, There's just nowhere forpeople to go sometimes and they

(17:33):
don't know how to, deal withthis stress and deal with this
anxiety or deal with this lackof direction.
And for me personally, like theretreats were the answer, no
matter what it is, if you'redoing yoga, if you're doing
meditation, mindfulness, nomatter what it might be, these
containers are so, so unique.
They're incredibly unique, likenot just because of the modality

(17:57):
that you're practicing, but alsothat.
Community that you experience.
You mentioned before as well.
Like we've lost touch with that.
And I feel like these retreatsseemed as one of the first times
I really saw a genuine communityagain.
I didn't even, I was like, geez,what do you mean?
Like, people come together to,like, help each other through
their crap and the stuff thatthey want to release and let go

(18:18):
of.
It was the first time I'd seenit and I was like 35 years old
and it's like a genuinecontainer and I think it's just
remembering these containers arejust so unique.
So, incredibly excited aboutabout RetreatHelp and just, it's
just very special to me, to us.
I know a hundred percent andjust really looking forward to

(18:40):
working with some.
And we already are working withsome really incredible,
beautiful people who are makingreally big impact.
Yeah, that's probably the big,one of the big drivers for me
are those things just to beginwith.
But you know, there's a, there'sa million things, what gets me
excited about it.
But I really do see it going ina really beautiful direction.

(19:00):
We both do some retreats of ourown and we plan on doing some
RetreatHelp stuff as well.
So being able to still have yourboots on the ground as well is
super cool as well.
So how about yourself?

Ian (19:13):
Yeah, I mean, I second that and especially the post covid
area era.
I think covid really illuminatedsome issues in our with our
society and some things thatpeople were experiencing that
maybe.
Wouldn't have been brought tothe forefront and wouldn't have

(19:34):
been in such a way without thelockdowns and without the
situations where people were soisolated for long periods of
time.
I think people were alreadyfeeling that a sense of
isolation in a more intangibleway, but that just punctuated
what people were already feelingand, brought it to the forefront

(19:54):
of, oh.
Oh, this, there's something notright about isolation, people in
our Western societyparticularly, there's an
epidemic of depression andanxiety different psycho, like
psychological disorders that arejust almost ubiquitous that it's

(20:15):
just across the board, the wordfrom kids to adults, men, women
it's pretty new.
Pretty wild.
The psychological issues thatour society is facing, and my
belief is that lot of that canbe alleviated just through
community.
I mean, if you look at studiesthey've done about blue zones,

(20:38):
where they talk about, where ablue zone is an area where
people live to be older andhealthier.
Then the average that's I knowlike Fiji is a blue zone.
Many like Amish, the Amishcommunities are typically blue
zones.

(20:59):
The Seventh Day Adventists indifferent like religious
communities.
People live to be an older ageand healthier but these blue
zones, they appear all over theworld and people have studied
them and they find that there'sa couple of contributing factors
that really lead to somebodybeing healthier for longer,

(21:22):
which one is community, and oneis, Purpose and that kind of
ties in with spirituality, likea religious, usually a religious
context to it and communitythose are the two main things
that drive health and longevityand again, Touching back on the
COVID thing, I think we sawthere was a major deterioration

(21:44):
of people's mental wellbeing andpsychological health during that
time.
And like, I think it clicked fora lot of people like, Oh, it's
isolation.
It's not good.
So moving to like, how do weremedy that community is
community is huge.
And you and I have experiencedthe power of community and how
seemingly random people can cometogether Over the course of a

(22:06):
weekend and have a uniqueexperience that will never be
had again in a, in a containerthat just can't be replicated
same retreat provider working atthe same location doing the same
step in order of the delivery oftheir retreat.
We'll never deliver the sameretreat.

(22:28):
participants play a huge roleoverall experience.
Like, the participants make theretreat.
As much as the retreat leaderand the environment.
Like, it's all synergistic.
It all works together, hand inhand.
And Being able to experiencethat in a tangible way,

(22:51):
energetically, connecting withpeople to, to co create
something.
There's just, there's so muchhealing in that.
And it's something that lot ofpeople have lost touch with.
I mean, I think it's built intoour DNA and into our psyche.
That this is a healthy andsomething that, that is
nourishing in a deep way to, tohave these group experiences.

(23:16):
And I believe consciousness ischanging on this planet I that's
how I see it and I think it'shard to deny that and we're I
believe we're moving towardsmore Of communal experiences,
more communal living.
And there's evidence, I believe,to support that.
the old structures are startingto deteriorate.

(23:38):
The top down, masculine,dominated, hierarchical, of
society it's starting to getweak and wobbly and it's there,
you can see cracks in thefoundation.
believe we're moving towards a,more of a communal, not
necessarily communism not livingin a commune, but more community

(23:58):
based more connection withcommunity style living.
And we're, I mean, we're seeingthat in, think a reflection of
that.
Is the fact that the retreatindustry is growing so rapidly
And you know the stats a littlebit better is growing very
rapidly just defer to you andget your take on like the

(24:20):
direction you see the industrygoing and how that's how that
connects with, like, thevacations, vacation rather than
like, going to a retreat ratherthan a vacation, because I know
you and I have had, have hadthis conversation, so I'd love
to hear your take on that.

jarrod allen (24:36):
Yeah, absolutely.
There's like a couple ofdifferent points in there as
well, I mean to talk.
About stats.
One thing, like, I'm not like amajor geek about stats, but I do
like them because they're verytrue.
There's a lot of a lot of truthin statistics and numbers,
right?
And so, through this process oflooking at the statistics,

(25:00):
especially for retreat businessor wellness tourism, right,
which is retreat business,essentially people going to
different places from where theyusually live to participate in
wellness activities thesestatistics on their own and how
dramatically they're growing isjust pure evidence of like, this
is what people want to do now.
And we can look at the reasons,the reasoning why, which we'll

(25:23):
talk about in a second.
But I really do like thesestatistics because it is people,
it is showing that, people arelooking for alternatives and
they're looking for differentways.
And, what we're talking abouthere is like, why is that?
And like you mentioned before,like community growth, new modes
of consciousness, new modes ofbeing.
Becoming in the forefront ofpeople's drivers in this day and

(25:46):
age.
So, yeah, I mean, to look at thestatistics on like wellness
tourism, for instance, from aperiod of around, now don't mark
me on the exact numbers, but theperiod from around 2012 to 2018,
it doubled from, I think it'saround 430 something 430 billion

(26:09):
to nearly 900 billion postpandemic.
It still didn't go back to the2012 numbers, like even through
that little period there,there's, it was still yeah,
around 500, I think it wasaround 500 billion during this
sort of pandemic years up untilaround 2024 what was really
crazy though, no, 2023 is thatin 2023 it came back like even

(26:33):
further, like it got up Veryclose to a trillion, and then
They're projecting by 2028,which is like, we're nearly say
three years away that it's goingto be worth like 1.
36 trillion.
So, and it's growing like, yeah,I think per annum at like eight

(26:54):
or 9%.
So it's like, it's crazy.
Like, and that's, to me, it'snot about the money.
It's not about what you'relooking at the money side of it.
That's irrelevant.
It's more looking at the growthand what's, what is this growth
showing us?
And it is showing us that peopleare looking for, rather than
going to Cancun, drinking pinacoladas at an all inclusive.

(27:16):
I'm sure that they're stillvalid.
It's okay if you want to do thatas well.
But it is really excitingbecause it's like people are
going, look, I've got somepeople two weeks a year,
sometimes, in Australia, you getfour weeks a year paid back,
well, you get 20 days.
So it works out to be four weeksonce you stitch in the weekends

(27:36):
there, but um, you know, peoplewould, I would work and work,
and then you get that little bitof period of time.
And I think people are nowstarting to go like, with this
small amount of time, I want tomake a change.
I want to make a change withinmyself.
And that doesn't mean they wantto go somewhere, change their
whole life, come back.
Get rid of their family in thehouse and go live in the jungle
or something.

(27:56):
But it does show that people arerealizing that things need to
change and I need to utilizethis very small period of time
that I have where I don't haveall these inputs from life to be
able to make some sort offoothold in moving in the right
direction.
And so I think Yeah, I thinkit's very exciting to see that

(28:17):
there's sort of statistics.
It's exciting for the, sure, forthe retreat industry, but I
think it's exciting for society.
I think it's exciting for the,showing that's what people want
to do with their free time, is,go learn something new, work on
themselves, maybe release someof the pain and challenges that
are there.
They've been having as well.
So yeah, I think it's very cool.

(28:39):
And that's all the statistics Ihave in.
I don't have any more statisticsin my head, but they're pretty
close to what the reality ofeverything that's happening.

Ian (28:49):
Yeah, and one of the beautiful things about retreats
and, the industry that we're inand the people that we support
that it doesn't have to beeither or it's not either going
to Vegas for the three days andlosing your mind or going.
To an like a, an Ayurvedic,healing intensive, there's a lot

(29:10):
of variety, retreats can haveboth.
And I think a good retreat and Isay good, but like, retreats
that are effective.
And the retreats that reallyresonate with people is where
there's a mixture of a spacecurated for both healing and
relaxation.
And taking into considerationconsideration that is an

(29:36):
absolute requirement forhealing.
Like, you can't just grind yourway into a state of wellbeing.
Rest is an integral part ofthat.
And again, I think reallyeffective retreats know that.
And they know when to step onthe gas a little bit.
They know when to, they knowwhen to relax a little bit and
give participants time tointegrate and do their thing.

(29:57):
that means that there is anaspect of time to relax and
unwind along with an opportunitygrow and as you said, go back to
your after the rest time isover, after your, a lot of time
away is over, to return to yourlife, a better version of
yourself.
I know in, in the US, and Idon't know the statistic off the

(30:20):
top of my head, but it'sshocking how many people don't
take vacation.
it's absolutely, it'sunbelievable how many people
don't take vacation in Europe,in Australia, different parts of
the world, Europe.
I know there, there's a much,much more of a, an emphasis on,

(30:42):
we're taking a month off.
Like, like it's just, built intothe people's yearly schedule of
taking extended time away Like aweek two weeks at least a couple
weeks in the u.
s Like it's really gotten to thepoint where have just gotten
used to not Taking time awayfrom work or feeling pressured

(31:04):
to not take time off of work forwhatever intention or they're
given the option to just cashout their vacation time.
And if the bills are tight, it'slike, well, can just take a pay.
I can just take an additionalpaycheck and that would, that
would help me out rather thantake the time away where all the
studies show taking.

(31:25):
Like taking a vacation, takingtime away from work actually
makes people more productive andhelp with productivity.
So yeah, I think, as you said, Ibelieve we're moving more
towards a just societal trend ofmixing, like mixing an

(31:46):
opportunity for growth with therest and relaxation and moving
away from just like a purevacation where you, like I said,
you go to the beach and sip onMai Tais too.
you can go to, where you can goto a center and maybe have some
of that, but also enjoy someother, healing modalities.

(32:10):
So, speaking of other healingmodalities, I'm, I'd love to
hear more about your, theexperiences with the different
sorts of retreats you'veparticipated in.
Because I know, like myself,you've had, experiences in a
wide range of differentretreats.
So curious what the differentretreats were or the different

(32:33):
that you've experienced are andif any of them really stick out
as memorable or as unique.

jarrod allen (32:38):
Yeah, it's a it's really interesting.
I mean, I'm fortunate enough toobviously have good experience,
a good amount of experience onboth sides of the fence, as a
participant, as I was goingalong my journey and then
switching over to leadingretreats and creating retreats
as well.
A lot of the retreats that I'veparticipated in have been,

(33:00):
working with different plantmedicines as well.
Very consciously, nice andgently.
But yeah, working with plantmedicines.
I've also I've done a bit ofmeditation stuff and also like
Vipassana also, which was reallyinteresting.
I count all these as retreats aswell.

Ian (33:17):
Okay.
Okay.
very

jarrod allen (33:36):
jungle in Ecuador to, being in the desert of
Sonora, like all sorts ofdifferent things, if I was gonna
probably, Say the most memorableone for me, and it's it was a
retreat, you know It isabsolutely a retreat, but it's
like big it's like about ahundred and thirty people is

(33:57):
this thing that I like to go toin Sonora in Mexico and
basically come and camp and theygive you a You get your food and
everything included and they doa lot of really beautiful stuff,
whether it be from sittingaround a fire with some of the
elders of the area talking toyou about the stars to Temescal
and there's some plant medicinework in there as well.

(34:20):
And a lot of meditations andyoga, but I think what makes it
so powerful, like it's on thebeach, it's in this Beautiful,
incredible part of the SonoranDesert is that they even do like
a concert at the end as well.
Like, and everyone just likedances around until like two or
three in the morning by the fireas well.

(34:40):
But I think that is so memorablefor me because it was a very
definitive point when I firstwent to it a fair few years ago
now it's been three, over threeyears ago where I had a very
clear switch to going, okay,like I've been going and doing

(35:00):
this work for myself indifferent places and I became
very clear.
that I wanted to help.
Like I was just very clearthat's exactly what I needed to
do.
And that's what did really startthe path to me then going, I'm
volunteering in a retreat centerdown in Columbia and then
leading facilitation there forover a year and a half as well.
And.
It was very memorable.

(35:20):
And the really powerful part ofthat was, is that how these
people had, you got like 130people there and it's a
beautiful wello machine.
You know how they do it, butit's not, it wasn't ever about
being a retreat.
They don't even call it, theycall it like an encampment, but
it's, what was so impactful forme was once again, and it keeps

(35:41):
coming up and keeps coming back,is like.
Is this community thing?
It's just it's massive.
Just like being people couldjust be free.
They can take their masks off.
They can leave all the baggageat the door and they got to be
themselves.
And the other thing that wasvery powerful for me was that,
some of the people who werecarrying a little bit more

(36:02):
baggage when they'll come intothe door, which we all have
comparatively when we're in aplace in society where we're
being pushed so much to beindividuals.
Those people get pushed out tothe side, like, Oh, people be
like, Oh yeah, it's okay.
Like, yeah, I hope you're doingwell.
Like a text message is how youcheck in or do you want to have
a chat for five minutes?
No these are the people who likeembrace the most almost, and

(36:24):
they were nurtured the most andthen I'd see them the next time
I went and they're just likethis different person, from this
as well.
So I think that was extremelypowerful for me and was very, a
big sort of turning pivotalpoint.
Yeah, from my sort of experiencewith retreats, that obviously
the other stuff, what I wasdoing before and what I'm doing

(36:45):
now and what I have been doingis a bit of a different thing,
but like for me as a participantthat was definitely the most
memorable.
Do you have a, do you have oneyourself here and do you have
one that's like the, aparticular retreat or a
particular place or venue orsomething that's really stuck
with you?

Ian (37:04):
Oh man, yeah, there's a lot and like you, I've participated
and helped facilitate ceremoniesall over the place.
I spent three years reallytrying Working with one of the
larger Ayahuasca churches in theU.
S.

(37:24):
Helping to facilitate all aroundthe country.
But on my own, I spent time inPeru, which is really
incredible.
All over the country.
Colombia, I've been theremultiple times.
I've got a lot of love forAyahuasca.
Yeah for Latin America and man,memorable.

(37:45):
Yeah.
I mean, so I've seen both endsof the spectrum from downtown LA
doing a, an ayahuasca, I darecall it a ceremony because there
was really nothing ceremonialabout it, but drinking ayahuasca
in downtown LA and a rented yogastudio with it was basically a

(38:07):
free for all at one point Iremember opening my eyes and
looking across the room andthere were two women who were
sitting up and they had a laptopopen and they were scrolling
Facebook and like chit chattingto each other while we were all
everybody had drank the medicinethis was after the second dose
had gone and I opened my eyesand I look in My interpretation

(38:32):
was two demons on the other sideof the room.
Like just scrolling socialmedia, like lit up really
brightly in this dark room.
I still have Campbell scars onmy arm.
The size of, looks like somebodyused a like a cigar.
to make the cambo burns becausethey're huge.

(38:53):
I didn't even know what cambowas.
That was my first experiencewith cambo.
This, at this yeah thisexperience I'll say.
I definitely wouldn't do itagain.
And I learned a lot from thatexperience, I'll just put it
that way.
I learned a lot from thatexperience.
All, all from downtown LA to thejungles in Peru, just all across

(39:17):
the board.
And like you, I've also doneVipassana, which is really an
incredible experience.
And I've studied Buddhism.
Pretty in depth for severalyears.
There's a Buddhist monk that,that lives inside of me
somewhere.
He comes out from time to time.
I'd say another really memorableexperience was the yoga teacher

(39:37):
training I did.
I taught yoga for a period oftime as well.
Yoga is a big part of my, evenmy everyday life now.
Something I practice daily, butI spent a month in South
Western.
India in an ashram out in thejungle.
And I consider that to be aretreat.

(39:58):
Like the same, again, the same,if the definition of retreat is
going somewhere, getting out ofyour comfort zone and, to learn
and grow.
So it was definitely that butliving in this beautiful temple
and eating foods that were veryexotic to me and like, no, no

(40:19):
plant medicine, no.
I mean, it was a very clean andnothing, no external sort of
like mind altering substances.
It was just a very different,but very powerful experience
living in the jungle in Indiafor a month.
So, yeah, again, like I said,it's, my, my travels have taken

(40:41):
me near and far and I've had alot of, like, really
unbelievably beautifulexperiences, a lot of
challenging experiences and I'mgrateful for all of them because
they've helped give me aninsight and context to being
able to see what works, whatdoesn't work What to lean into,
what to lean away from.

(41:02):
And just stoking that fireinside of me as to like what's
the power that a well runretreat can have to change
someone's life and being able tosee that's, what's happening.
A well run retreat can look verydifferent in different contexts
to different people.
What's well run in the UnitedStates?

(41:22):
What one might consider a wellrun ceremony in, say, Sedona?
It definitely might not looklike that if you're in the
jungle in Columbia.
So, so knowing Knowing thatthere's no right way or no wrong
way to do it.
And there are some foundational,fundamental aspects to, to

(41:44):
running retreats that generally,if you follow these steps, like
have a clean environment andhave good food, have safety
protocols in place, foundationalthings that as long as.
The basics are covered peoplegenerally speaking can have a
meaningful and beneficialexperience So yeah, it's wow.

(42:06):
You just went down a little tripdown memory lane know, we've
we've talked to this point youknow about some of our
experiences with the ceremoniesand with the medicine and My
experience and your experiencehas been with a lot of plant
medicine, but I'd like to rewindeven a bit more and I'd like to

(42:28):
know more about what you weredoing before your first ceremony
and just to get some morecontext about your history and
the things that led up to yougetting into your first ceremony
that, that really changed thingsfor you.

jarrod allen (42:40):
Yeah, for sure.
I think this is like a goodpowerful part of it, these
conversations as well is that,we've had these conversations
many times and Like, I am sograteful now of what I was doing
before, like in the sense ofwhat I did do.
And it's so interesting how lifeas we start to get into

(43:01):
alignment, brings all thesethings in together to become
important in hopefully, what isthe, it's something that is
really part of your calling ofwhat you're meant to do.
I interestingly which all makessense as I go along.
Yeah, we didn't just like madmagically start doing retreats.
And then there's some stuff thatwent on in the background

(43:22):
beforehand as well, butbasically I, to try and make it
short, like, I finished schooland I didn't really come from
like a super solid or structuredsort of family unit.
Good people, don't get me wrong,love my family, but wasn't
super, structured.
My parents separated when I wasquite young.

(43:42):
So the reason why I mentionedthis is that, when I finished
high school I didn't, reallyhave any financial backing or
university wasn't really anopportunity for it wasn't
something that I could go touniversity, college in the US,
but basically I started likewashing cars, right?
Like, so I'm like, all right,I'm going to go to get a job.

(44:03):
And I started washing cars and Iwas like, because I like cars,
that's why I thought I'd getinto the motor industry.
And very quickly I got a tradethat's where I was washing the
cars, doing major carrestorations and accident
repairs and things like this.
I did that till I was about 25and then I got into I got into
car sales.
I was like, all right, I don'twant to get like welding sparks

(44:25):
and breathing all the dust anddoing all the restorations and
stuff anymore.
So I got into car sales and Iquite quickly, I was in, car
sales from.
2009 I started working just forlike Japanese manufacturer and I
worked my way up and I just keptmoving my way up and I worked
for Mitsubishi, Mazda, Toyota,and then around 2014 I started

(44:51):
working for Land Rover, RangeRover and started getting into
the prestige stuff and then like2016 I I started working for
Lamborghini.
So I was a Lamborghini salesexecutive for like Two years
working in Lamborghini, new carsand buying and selling like
supercars essentially, Ferrari,Porsche, all that sort of stuff,

(45:11):
what was really interesting atthat point in my life is that
this around 2018, so 2016, 2018,is when I started 2018 is when I
did, started working withAyahuasca and I did my first
retreat with Ayahuasca at thatpoint in time.
Because I mean, for me, it waslike I couldn't, I needed to

(45:33):
release some stuff and I wasalways like trying to achieve
and what I later on realized isit wasn't always necessarily for
me.
I was just doing what I thoughtsociety really wanted me to do
and where I could get respectand where I could, get
admiration and like, yeah, youknow, be one, you're doing well,
you've made it, yeah.
But, interestingly enough, by2018, so I'm working for

(45:55):
Lamborghini, I've got this niceapartment, everything's going,
looking pretty good on theoutside, wearing suits every day
and all this sort of thing.
But I was like really flat onthe inside, I just was like.
Didn't just that just met,different different shades of
myth.
It's probably the easiest way toexplain it.
So it was one of the drivers whyI went and worked with

(46:17):
ayahuasca.
Interestingly after that Istopped working for Lamborghini
around that same sort of timeand I took a job as a sales
manager, so I moved into salesmanagement rather than sales
executive managing teams and andIt was around that same period
where I was like, I'm going todo this for like another two
years.
I'm going to save up all mymoney and I'm going to go figure

(46:38):
out a better way to live.
And it was really interesting.
Like when I decided that I waslike, I had an exit strategy, I
got promoted like four times.
I was getting poached.
People always give me betterjobs.
I was performing really well,but it was when I had the exit
strategy, which was interesting.
So I then went on to being asales manager, I managed some
car dealerships and one was forSubaru and one was for a Nissan

(47:02):
Suzuki as well and did reallywell, like had a good knack for
it.
And it's Sort of went into thesebusinesses that weren't doing so
well and fix them up withprocess and with process and
systems and coached salesexecutives, trainees through to
people who've been doing it foryears on how to really
consultatively sell.
And this was really good forresults, so it was very good for

(47:25):
the customer satisfaction thatthe manufacturer had in place
and all that sort of thing aswell.
So yeah, that gave me theability, therefore the results
were really good.
So I managed to make it.
nothing crazy, but you know, Imanaged to make a good little
amount of money to then savethat up and go, okay, I'm going
to go over to Latin America,which 2020, I went over to Latin

(47:46):
America.
I'm going to keep doing somemore plant medicine work for
myself.
Which as I mentioned beforehand,quickly turned into after a
little bit of time where I waslike, well, I really want to
help.
And.
What I didn't realize at thatpoint, that sort of became my
passion, I really wanted to helppeople get the growth that I had
gotten from going to theseretreats and from participating
in this sort of stuff.

(48:07):
And then it all sort of, that'swhen it clicked in, it started
clicking into place, is that Ihad this business background,
this passion, and that's been abit of navigating.
But now, just over the last 12months, it's really all come
together.
Wait a minute.
I can actually like utilizethese skills and utilize these
things that I understand that weunderstand.
And that's one of the uniquethings about our relationship

(48:29):
and RetreatHelp is we're bothvery similar in that regard.
I've been able to like convergeall these things together.
But yeah, I can take this stuffthat I've done in a professional
context, take the stuff I'mreally passionate about and
bring them together to reallyhelp people with, the structures
of their business, like, and howdo we make them easier, more
efficient?
How do we teach people how to,sales, for instance, is like a

(48:52):
really dirty word in the,especially when you put sales
and wellness together, it seemslike they, you know, people sort
of resist it, but it's it'sunderstanding sales, like sales
isn't like slicked back hair andlike pushing people into stuff,
sales is, which I was quite goodat as a car salesman actually is
not pushing people is.
Consulting people, showing thembuilding value, showing them how

(49:15):
this is a very good solution forthe challenge that you've
brought forward to this, to thisthing.
So whether it be wanting a newcar, or wanting some growth or
whatever it might be, if weunderstand our clients it makes
a big difference.
So, yeah, it's a, it's been,it's very interesting ride.
And I.
I've never been happier.
I'm so, just excited abouteverything that has been going

(49:37):
on, what's going on in thisexact present moment and what is
coming for the future.
How and yourself Ian, like, wetalk about our past and all that
sort of thing as well.
I love your story.
It's a beautiful story andinteresting story as well.
So how far back do you want togo back?

Ian (49:55):
Oh, man.
I mentioned it earlier.
I grew up on a small family farmin southwestern Minnesota.
Yeah.
The about the middle of nowhere.
Yeah.
Not close to anything really.
Very rural, very sparselypopulated area and you know
going from that to I've livedand lived all over the country,

(50:18):
all over the US and traveled allover the world and, I guess my
journey has taken me to a lot ofplaces and given me a lot of
experiences.
I, I went after high school, Iwent to college and got a degree
in microbiology and chemistry.
At one point I was very close togoing to get a master's degree
in genetics and cell cellularbiology.

(50:41):
But life took me in a differentdirection and.
Went into the healthcare field.
I've always wanted to serve.
Like I've always had a heart ofservice.
That's just, it's just alwaysbeen there for me.
So I thought healthcare was theway to go.
And yeah, I mean, I didphlebotomy for a long time.
I had over 25, 000 needle sticksunder my belt by the time I

(51:05):
ended that and after being inthe healthcare industry for a
period of time I got very sickand nearly died.
On a Thursday night, he, I wason a medication that was
supposed to help me.
I was, I'd been diagnosed withCrohn's disease and I was, I'd
been really suffering for abouta year, not knowing what was

(51:27):
going on.
I was finally diagnosed withCrohn's disease and I was put on
a medication and immediately Istarted feeling better for the
first time in like a year.
It's like, oh, it, like, this isit, I'm cured I'm better.
Lo and behold, two months afterthat I get an internal bleed, I
start to bleed internally.
The medication I was taking inthe tiny prints on the bottom of

(51:48):
the bottles is, can lead tointernal bleeding, and for me it
did, and it nearly killed me.
I essentially had a near deathexperience, very nearly died,
and that was a big turning pointfor me.
That was also my introduction toplant medicine.

(52:09):
I started working with cannabis.
I was in my mid twenties.
Like, for the first time, reallyreally using cannabis.
And that was the only thing thatmade me feel better.
Moving forward, I spent severalyears in the industry.
In the cannabis industry, I didall the jobs in the cannabis
industry from deliveringcannabis to the point where I

(52:29):
was running a dispensary in LasVegas.
That's quite profitable nowadaysand bringing in a lot of money
on a monthly basis.
So I got to, I got to go fromworking in a fortune 500 company
in healthcare to, working inthe, in management, like same
similar sort of situation as youJarrod, working my way up, up

(52:52):
the middle management ladder,finally got to the point where I
almost died from the stress Iwas under.
Ultimately it was the root causeof the illness.
It was just a manifestation ofmy displeasure With my external
circumstances and the stressthat I was bringing on to, going
towards plant medicine,something I thought was better

(53:13):
and finding myself in a similarsituation, working my way up
middle management sort ofcorporate ladder and getting to
the point where I was, at theleading this dispensary and
learning a lot of reallyimportant, meaningful and like
learning about business sales,marketing different systems,

(53:36):
like really from the ground upAnd, learning all this stuff,
not really understanding why Iwas having these experiences and
why I was in this situation andnot really enjoying it.
But similar to you, be able tolook back at the situation and
say, wow, I'm really gratefulfor that entire situation.

(54:00):
In the moment it was challengingand I didn't necessarily want to
be there doing that, but now Isee, and I trust that life has a
reason for everything.
And now I can see how all thethings that I learned during
that time has really helpedprepare me for moving into, to
entrepreneur,entrepreneurialism, opening my
own businesses and learningthrough that.

(54:22):
And.
Like how it's all tied together,every little part of the journey
is tied together to get to wherewe are now, to being able to
talk to somebody and reallypretty quickly be able to assess
where they're at with theirbusiness, like figure out where

(54:42):
they want to go.
See where they're at and thenfigure out a strategy to get
there Like when you've seen asmany aspects of business and as
many businesses as you and Ihave seen cumulatively You start
to see patterns and you start tobe able to pick up on what works
and what doesn't work and theeffective ways to grow a
business to scale a business toget from zero to wherever you

(55:04):
want to go you start to be ableto pick apart the patterns and
being able to apply thingsyou've learned other places and
in other contexts to the peoplethat you're working with
presently.
And think we keep coming back toit because it's, I mean, it's
really present with both of usin our conversations that we
have on a regular basis is likehow exciting it is to be able

(55:26):
to.
Bring the things that we'velearned in our past experiences
to the retreat industry and helpthe people that we work with
excel and really get to wherethey want to go with less
stress.
We're helping people shortcutall the trial and error that we
had to go through.
It's pretty cool to be able toapply the lessons that we've

(55:48):
learned to the businesses of thepeople that we're working with
so that they don't have to gothrough that period of trial and
error that you and I both had toexperience in that learning
phase.
Like we can impart a lot of ourwisdom and a lot of the tools
and the systems that we'velearned and developed ourselves
to, to help people have a moreeffective, more efficient, more

(56:13):
easy to run, more fun andenjoyable to operate sorts of
businesses.

So https (56:19):
otter.
ai But I think that just speaksto the amount of a passion that
you and I have for in one sense.
Passion for operating effectiveand meaningful businesses, which

(56:42):
goes hand in hand with our otherlike passion of retreats and
transformational experiences.
I feel really blessed to havefound a founder or created a.
The situation where we canexpress both of those aspects of
our talents and our passions ina way where it's people are able

(57:05):
to benefit from our expertiseand what we've learned.
And we are now building acommunity and we're finding more
and more people who are leaninginto what we have to share and
they, people get a sense thatwe've actually done the things
that were.
That we're talking about becausewe have and we can speak on it
from a place of understandingand people are starting to lean

(57:27):
in and they see that we'regenuine about wanting to help
people and the amount of lovethat we have for what we do.
So, In a big ol nutshell, thatreally, to bring it all the way
around to the very beginning,for the reason of having this
conversation.
If it seems repetitive, it'sbecause it is, in a way, because
that's where we are.
We just, we always, we're alwayscoming back to that, and like a

(57:49):
sense of gratitude andexcitement.
Every person we work with isdifferent.
Every situation is different.
There's new opportunities forgrowth.
There's new opportunities to, tohelp people in new and creative
ways and to learn ourselves.
I know I know you and I are bothconstantly on the path of
learning and growth.
So, that.

(58:10):
mean, do You have any partingwords, any, anything that you
want to say to, to wrap this up?
I think we've covered a lot ofground here and long track down
memory lane has led us to some,yeah, some cool places.
So, really grateful for thispartnership with you and for
sharing all that and sharingyour story, Jarrod.
I appreciate that.
And, any parting words thatyou'd like to send us off with?

jarrod allen (58:32):
Yeah, absolutely.
Like, and just to touch on thatalso, like, I think there'll be
a whole another episode, like ofhow you and I met and how they
all came into its own thing alsoas well.
But yeah very grateful for youand very grateful for
RetreatHelp and what we'vecreated, what we are creating.
It's really powerful.

(58:53):
Yeah, I think that's the biggestthing, like, is that one thing I
really do like about both myhistory and your history as well
is that, and what is that itperfectly clicks into place with
with RetreatHelp as well.
Is it like, we've both done the60, 70 hours a week.
So we wanted to figure out abetter way.
We both like grinded it out andjobs that we didn't, that were

(59:16):
like Every Sunday at 12 o'clockin the afternoon, I'll be like,
Oh, I've only got eight hours offreedom left, but, the stuff
that I've learned, the stuffthat we've learned, the stuff
that you've learned is soapplicable to what we're doing.
It's incredible.
And I guess saying that is thatpeople like.
It's just a situation where,like, just realizing if you're a

(59:39):
treat creator, it's okay thatyou're not a sales ninja.
It's okay that you're not amarketing guru, and that's
completely fine.
And, like, to be honest, like,who would want to go do Like,
you're not going to go fromworking in your passion leading
yoga retreats to go, Okay, I'mgoing to go work in car
dealerships for the next nineyears to get this sort of thing

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up to scratch or do, thehundreds if not thousands of
hours of understanding, digitalinfrastructure and marketing
that you've done here that, Iguess what I'm saying is like,
through this mindset that bothyou and I have is that like
we've tried to figure out theeasiest way and also trying to
help people have reallybeautiful lifestyle businesses

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that serve them and so they canserve other people better.
And, we've simplified so manydifferent things as well in
regards to that side of it, toinfrastructure, sales,
marketing.
Let us sort of help you and showyou the easy way to do it.
So you can just like.
Focus on doing what you love,because that was probably
actually one of the big, thefirst things like for my part of

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it with a light bulb really goding, it was that I was seeing
all these people who obviouslyhad incredible offerings, right,
had incredible offerings andincredible very powerful and
amazing in their modality.
But, like, the marketing was apost on Facebook, a little
poster that says, like, click onthis button to sign up, like,.

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It's like, things like that, butthere's nothing wrong with that,
it's just a matter of going,okay, maybe that's not my
strength, so maybe if I can getsome help with the stuff that
isn't my strength, then we cango a lot further, so.
Part in words though, that wasYeah, just really grateful for
this.
Grateful to be able to do forthis conversation Looking
forward to, some of theconversations that you're having

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with people in looking forwardto our further conversations.
And just thank you everyone forlistening.
Hopefully you found some littlenuggets of gold or found some
value in this conversation.
I know myself and I've spokenabout this before.
We don't always necessarily lovetalking about ourselves, but I
really enjoyed the conversation.
So, yeah, thanks.
Thanks to you as well.

Ian (01:01:50):
Likewise, brother.
And yeah, if anybody listeningto this has any additional
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Check out our website.
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and we'd love to hear from youand we'd love to connect with
you and, see how we can be ofservice and grow this community
and continue to, yeah, continueto move in the direction of
collaboration and workingtogether to, as cheesy as it
sounds and as, It's as cliche asit sounds, elevate mankind,
elevate humanity and make theworld a better place.

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All those things.
It's real.
And I know you and I are veryoptimistic about the future of
humanity and where we're going.
And.
As you said, yeah, it's whereit's a kind of a shit show right
now, for lack of a better wordin the world a, as a whole.
And I believe in the power ofworking together and I believe
in the healing power of MotherNature.
And I believe that no matter howdestructive some of the

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structures in society may bethat that, Power of
destructiveness is no match forthe healing power of Mother
Earth and that ultimately, yeah,things will prevail in a way
where there's going to be ahappy ending and a beautiful
ending.
So, thank you, Jarrod.
Thank you all.
And yeah, keep in touch and staytuned for the next episode.