July 12, 2025 • 44 mins
This episode is about a crime that left many red-faced - you might even say that it left them feeling flushed ...
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MAIN CASE REFERENCES click each number to be taken straight to sources
1 The Economic Times YouTube Channel. Caught on cam: £4.8 m gold toilet stolen from UNESCO World Heritage Site 'Blenheim Palace'
2 No sign of £4.8m golden toilet stolen from Blenheim Palace, two years on. bbc.co.uk/news. 14th September 2021.
3 Three men convicted in connection with Blenheim Palace golden toilet burglary. www.thamesvalley.police.uk/news/. 18th March 2025.
4 Two men jailed for £4.8m gold toilet heist. bbc.co.uk/news. 13th June 2025
5 ATM thefts: Six men from organised crime group jailed. bbc.co.uk/news. 20th May 20226 Coventry car chase gunmen jailed for 28years. coventrytelegraph.net. 25th April 20137 John Henry Sheen v James Sheen The Queen. vlex.co.uk. Court notes.8 Prosecution sets out the case against Oxfordshire gang that targeted ATMs and farm equipment. oxfordmail.co.uk/news. 20th May 2022. By Tom Seaward. 9 Full story of how Jimmy Sheen's gang of ATM thieves were caught by Oxfordshire police oxfordmail.co.uk/news. 22nd May 2022. By Tom Seaward.10 Gang made off with armfuls of trophies in Newmarket Horseracing Museum heist, trial told. Oxfordshire Police. oxfordmail.co.uk/news. 10th March 2022. By Tom Seaward.
11 Golden toilet 'returned' to Blenheim Palace 'under watch'. oxfordmail.co.uk/news. 17th June 2025. By Charlotte Coles.
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Episode Transcript
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The. Hi, I'm Jen.
And I'm Vic. And this is the crumbly bimble
crack. There we go, she added a spin to
that I wasn't expecting. Yeah, the beatboxing I've still
not shared. Remix Oh, I tried to roll my R,
my R. Oh, that was quite good.
(00:47):
You should be Scottish then because we roll our Rs.
When I moved from like when I lived up here the first time and
I moved over to Germany, everyone thought I was Scottish.
Like when I first came to Scotland I spoke with a little
because I was from, I was born in Devon, so I spoke with a
Worzel accent. And then when I moved to
Germany, everyone just assumed Iwas Scottish because I sounded
so Scottish, but I don't remember sounding Scottish.
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I think maybe they'd just never met a Scottish person before.
Maybe, maybe that's what it was.But yeah, then then I sort of
moved around and I don't think I've got an accent of anything
now, have I just. Oh, you've very definitely got
an English accent. Yeah, but just bog standard
English it. Depends what words you're saying
I think. What's the word I'm looking?
I can't even think right now. Peculiar geographic accent.
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That's not right. You know what I mean?
Area specific. No, that's not the word I was
looking for, but let's go with it.
But it means what you're talkingabout.
Yeah, it does, yeah. OK, So what have you been up to
this week? I don't know.
I went out for a lovely, lovely Sunday dinner.
Did. That was absolutely amazing.
That was a gift from my lovely friend.
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That's me. It was you.
Yeah. It was really nice, wasn't?
It I had a not good Margarita though.
That Margarita was Borgen. Yeah, it was Borgen, pal.
That was Borgen. I know a nice Margarita, and
that wasn't one, I'm sorry to say, but the espresso martini
that followed was very, very nice.
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Why are you sorry to say? I noticed people and I do it as
well. But apologise for everything.
I don't need to apologise for that.
I won't name the place so it doesn't really matter.
So I was gonna put that cup down.
Sorry. Victoria is not allowed to
drink. Well, we don't drink on
microphone. On air.
On air. That's what I was looking for.
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Yeah, because I edit it and it drives me bonkers.
I have myzophonia and noises really bug me.
And if looks could kill right now, Yup Yup.
Ah, and I went to a charity shopthis week.
Tell me. I spotted something which was
the most, Oh amazing, just the biggest hat in all of the land.
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And I tried it on and it was awesome and I convinced myself
that I didn't need this hat. And so I left without it.
And then I just couldn't stop thinking about it and I had
regrets. And my lovely friend went back
and fetched it for me. And so when she turned up on
Sunday, she had the enormous hat.
But what what is weird about theenormous hat is that the actual
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bit that you put on your head isnot that big.
No, no, it's just just the brim,isn't it the brim brim like a
it's actually, I think it's probably a little bit more than
a foot. So what's that like 3 foot
circumference maybe? It's huge.
It's not 3 feet wide. It isn't, but you can't.
I went and got it and when I tried it on in the house, I
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couldn't go from one room to theother because I couldn't fit
through the doors. No, and I'm just thinking it's
bigger than a manhole. How many holes of men have you
seen? Oh, gross.
Any who. Have you been up to?
I also went out for dinner. Yeah, and it was yummy.
What a. Coincidence.
I know a quinky dink and what did you have to?
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Drink. What beverage were you on?
Oh, I had a French martini. Very sophisticated.
Very. And then I had a Drambuy
liqueur, Coffee. Coffee.
So is that is Drambui just a whiskey liquor?
It's. Obviously like it was.
Orange and that was gross, but that's that's cool.
I'm thinking of Grammarnier. Oh yeah, another one.
Yeah. So Drambui is a.
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A whiskey? A whiskey liquor?
Yep. Coffee.
So that sounds quite nice. That and what else have I done?
We did have food as well. We're saying about all.
These we did well, we both have the same Yeah, we did you,
except you had your steak mediumrare and I have mine blue and
the chips were bonkers. They were huge.
They were, and I've decided I think I'm a fries person.
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That's a lot of effort to chew through that.
There was too much potato for mein one sitting.
Potato. I did potato but I was impressed
by the size and I wonder where they got those mutant potatoes
because they were so big. Yeah, they were pretty big.
And on the subject of potatoes, potatoes, my washing basket ones
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have got big leafy bits on them now and I'm quite excited by
them. That's really good.
And so you know, you have to wait for them to flower and then
the flowers die and that means your potatoes are ready.
That's amazing. Every food should have a system
like that. Yeah.
Is that ready to eat? There's a Tulip on the top.
No, it's not ready to eat. Wait until that Tulip dies.
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Oh yes, sorry. But the potato flowers are
actually quite pretty I think, in my opinion.
But then I I'm a fan of dandelions.
I love them. Wait, the beddoors.
I just think they're pretty. I love seeing a bee on a
dandelion. You love seeing a bee, full
stop. I do.
What else have I done? Well I've been working a lot
again and I was away on Friday night for work and I saw squid
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gels. They were so cute so I took.
Scalp. Those are squirrels.
Those are. Gels I took scallops with me to
do the so this is a recipe that fish.
I love dogs in uniform. I there's this recipe that my
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uncle used to make and then my mum started making it and then I
was like, oh, and I can't cook. I'm a terrible cook, but I can
do these. So it's basically you get your
scallops, you get some double cream, no measurements.
It's awesome. You put lemon juice in it and
like stir it up, add a bit of dill.
I forgot the dill, but add a bitof dill.
And then you cover your scallopsin that stuff.
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You're creaming. You're lemon in your dill.
You're as you. It's not as you it's it's like.
A creamy Jew. I'm going to call it that was
gross and that is not what I puton my scallops I.
Didn't I? Didn't.
Just carry on. I'm gonna I Then you put it in
the oven for like 20 minutes at 200.
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Oh, wait, you've put Parmesan onthe top.
Oh, that. Just got 100 times better.
It is so good. But so the person whose house I
was in didn't have like a an oven.
It was one of those things that looks like a microwave, but it's
a grill, a microwave, and a convection oven.
That is a convection oven. That's what it's called when
it's all all of the above. It was an air fryer too.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, it was a. 10 oven in 2023.
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No, wait, that's back. Backwards 2029.
That's because we're getting old, you see, We can't keep up
anyway, so I have my scallops, but I cut the row off, you know,
the little orange bit, and put it out for the squidgles.
Ah, but they weren't interested.But they did eat an apple.
I can't imagine a squirrel eating a scallop.
That's just a weird thing. Well, it is weird because they
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live in the trees and scallops from the sea, but I've lost my
track of thought because she's reaching for her coffee cup
again. So OK, let's pause.
Pause so I can have a slurp. Silence.
You've just spoke at the end of that.
You're such a twit. So yeah, I had, we're back.
I had my scallops as a little treat and I watched that
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documentary that I told you about, The Shark Whisperer.
And I have a massive phobia of sharks brought about by a
horrendous experience at Universal Studios.
But I'm fascinated by them, so Ilove shows about them.
I'm not going to go into depth about it, but it's about Ocean
Ramsay. If you look her up, she's trying
to save the sharks basically. Anyway, we've blabbered on for
too long. I, I just want to say actually,
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because it's not just about, yousaid about the sharks and
whatnot. And yeah, we both are fascinated
by sharks, but absolutely petrified.
But I went paddle boarding with Theo and I completely forgot
because I'd done paddle boardingin rivers and stuff and ponds
and lakes. I went paddle boarding in the
sea for the first time. Well done.
There were a couple of moments where I was out there on my own
going. There's dark things underneath
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me, but no, it's really, really good.
I only wish I could take my camera on the paddle board cause
some of the views from there. I do have an underwater camera
somewhere. I'll probably have to fetch it
out, but there won't be as good quality.
Could you stick like a GoPro in your head?
Oh. Potentially, yeah.
Theo's got GoPro. Oh, but I was telling you about
the documentary. But the thing about the
documentary is yes, she's got the perfect name, perfect,
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perfect name. So I remember seeing a photo of
this woman who was in with greatwhites and she was right up
against someone. She had her hand out.
I'll how to train a dragon, right?
And she was doing this with great whites and tiger sharks
and I was like, she's obviously crazy.
That was Ocean Ramsey and she understands them.
She just, they come over to her and she just pops her hand on
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their nose and pushes them down.And some of them come for their
like little puppies. They come over and they want
scritches. It's amazing.
You've got to watch it. Everybody has to watch.
Hence, she's the shark whisperer.
Yes, there you go. So anyway.
We have Jabberdon. Sorry, we have and feedback
recently was that the cases are quite dark.
I want to say no shit Sherlock. However, my last episode I tried
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to make it a little bit more. There was something nice at the
end. Of it was something nice at the
end. The brim in middle bit was
terrifying. But yeah, there was an
underlying story of hope. Yeah, there was.
And when I so you guys wouldn't have heard it, but when I was
recording it with Victoria to begin with, I was very dramatic
at some points. Like I was like if the person
was shouting, I was raising my voice.
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But it's some of it sounded so corny.
I deleted it. But you've promised me something
light today. I have, yeah.
Shall I get on it? So, Victoria, what's the crack?
Well, this episode is about a crime that left many red faced.
You might even say it left them feeling a little flushed.
OK, in the wee small hours of dawn around 4:50 AM on Saturday
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the 14th of September in 2019, two stolen vehicles, AVW Golf
and an Isuzu pickup were used toram through the gates of
Blenheim Palace in Oxfordshire, an impressive stately home and
the birth place of Sir Winston Churchill, OH.
Is this going to be a jewellery or art heist?
No. Five men dressed all in black
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emerged from the vehicles, but they weren't there to delve into
history or for a guided tour. No, no, they wanted the toilet.
Wait, they they clearly didn't just need a pee?
How desperate do you have to be?I've got IBS.
I know we didn't do that. I've got a hamster bladder and I
probably would do that. Armed with the tools, the men
smashed through a window, kickedin a door and forced their way
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into a gallery. Their aim, more precise than
most men, was to pinch a very pretty potty indeed.
Oh. In fact, they were there for a
fully functional 18 karat gold toilet called America.
First problem, who names their toilet?
Are we meant to name our toilets?
Is this similar to me not washing my front step twice
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daily? You mean you haven't named your
toilet? No.
What's yours? Called DeLorean.
I don't know. I panicked.
It's what? Did you see and second problem
is a gold toilet and you're likefully gold, not gold plated
evenly gold. Like, yeah.
That sounds gaudy. And this wasn't your typical
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smash and grab, this was a splash and dash.
Oh God. Oh God, The toilet weighed a
whopping 98 kilos. It was plumbed in, like I say,
fully functional, which meant when they used a sledgehammer to
dislodge it from its royal resting place, they left water
pipes gushing, causing flooding.Major structural damage to the
designated UNESCO World Heritagesite.
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You could say they left the palace in deep shambles.
They rolled the bowl out of the palace and piece by piece the
gang loaded the golden LAV into the vehicles and within
approximately 5 minutes these slippery little customers headed
off with their loot, pulling offone of the highest value gold
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thefts in UK history. 5 minutes is the quickest I've ever heard
a man be in the toilet, let alone stealing the damn thing.
So they also. Didn't take a newspaper?
Oh, that's days of old. They obviously didn't take their
phones in with them. What?
What are you doing with why are you you're not selling that
offer parts. You're not gonna get people down
like the market being like, oh, you got a flasher.
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I can have might. I don't understand why.
Why was there a gold toilet Do these Polish people have?
She says about me doing accents right.
And she's done Essex, she's donelanding.
But. Mine are good.
My what was that? I did last a piglet.
My piglet wasn't good. Oh, no, it was Winnie the Pooh.
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Oh, I've got flopping stuff. Are you sure that wasn't me that
did that? Sometimes it's hard to tell.
No, no, it was me. And because you said never do
Winnie the Pooh again, All right?
Never do Winnie the Pooh again, OK?
When the penny finally dropped and the security team caught
wind of what was occurring, theygave chase.
But it was too late. The gang had already fled,
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leaving nothing behind but soggyfloors and a toilet shaped hole
in British dignity. So what's the story with this
blinging bog? I hear you say It was sculpted
by an Italian artist, so I guessit was an art installation, you
should say. You could say the artist's name
was Maurizio Catalan and it was made in 2016.
America was created to satirise wealth, excess and consumerism.
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Some believe in it to be an interpretation of Donald Trump's
career. Created in a Florentine foundry,
cast from several parts and welded together so it looked
like a regular toilet, except itshimmered like Midas had done.
AB and Q run so shiny. What?
What would you clean that with? Would you have to use something
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that you couldn't see? Toilet Duck, don't you?
Could you? We're not sponsored by Toilet
Duck, but we didn't say no. I caught my friend once I went
into work and I caught my friendthrowing bread into the toilet
and I was like, what are you doing?
I'm feeding the toilet duck. Did you just make that?
Up No, no. The solid wait, can I just say,
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Phil, you know how you talk before you said about they
brought tools with them and everything.
I learned an interesting fact that I think the world might
like to hear. Do you know why the crowbar was
invented? No, because they were fed up
drinking at home. The crowbar for crows.
She murdered that one. That was a Liam Hampson special.
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A Solid Gold piece was an art exhibition on loan from the
Guggenheim Museum in New York, America, was designed to
resemble the museum's other toilets and was installed in a
room on the ground floor for visitors to use.
Oh yeah, with over 100,000 people waiting in line to perch
on the golden throne. Why would you want to steal
something people have peed in? Why would you want to wait in a
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line with 100,000 people to use the toilet?
You'd just go. In the northern.
Or in there. You'd go to the normal ceramic.
Tables or the whatever I I always New Year's Eve in pubs
was always the worst, like womenwaiting outside the toilets.
I'm just going to go in the men's.
I do that whenever I go, if I go, even if I go to Tesco.
And I know you're not meant to do this, but if the ladies are
like, really busy, I just go at the men's.
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Yeah. Just you can't wait sometimes.
You can't and I would just go toa good old Armitage Shanks.
Remember them? People still have them, don't
they? They still make toilets, don't
they? White goods, porcelain not
sponsored by them. Not.
But open to the idea. We don't want the criminal crack
to be sponsored by crack. You put your.
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Crack on it, don't you? She's you could listen to it.
You could listen to us on it. For one so America, this golden
toilet was actually only installed at Blenheim Palace two
days before the robbery. It been there two days.
So somebody was really quick offthe pan on this one, but.
Well, wait a minute. So if it had only been two days
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in there, chances are they knew that it had only just got put in
there. Why didn't they just do it on
like when it was getting moved? Why didn't they just steal it
then? And then it would all be in one
piece as well. Maybe more risk, I'll get to the
security bit in a minute and andmaybe you'll see why so.
Well, it's more of a risk because those guys were, well,
sleeping on the job. And despite the toilet being
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worth around £4.75 million. That makes me feel sick.
The gold alone was valued at 2.8million, so obviously the art
value on top of that. But security was shockingly LAX
during the day. One guard stood sentry outside
the cubicle door and I got this image in my head that he maybe
passed you, like, offered you a towel and offered you a squirt
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of CK1 for a fibre. Yeah, charge you a fibre ago.
I remember like one of the womenin a nightclub toilet having
glow sticks and stuff and then trying to charge people £10 for
a glow stick. It's like you what, love?
No, thank you. But we could afford them back in
the day because drinks were not so extortionately priced.
When I worked for Wetherspoons, the cheapest pint was 119.
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Yeah, wasn't it like £2 for a vodka and Red Bull or something
like that? Yeah, 250 for a double At night,
America was simply locked behinda flimsy wooden door.
There was no CCTV, no alarm, no bog standard common sense boil
accounts. Security was deemed a non issue
because the toilet had been plumbed in so it was connected
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to the water pipes and they justobviously thought it would be
OK. But somebody saw an opportunity
and with the thieves and the toilet now gone, like I say it
was 5 minutes gone. Police thought they had nothing
to go on. But it soon transpired that CCTV
had captured the assailants in the brazen act.
But exterior footage only. It wasn't actually, because like
I said, there was no. CCTV is useless.
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But it was a start. The Palace's insurance company,
Fine Art Spicy Adjusters, or FASA, offered a reward of
£100,000 for the return of the solid gold artwork.
They've got a cheek, honestly, like I know this is a light
hearted like story, however, we have people starving in this
country. They don't have homes and
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they're I bet you they throw everything at fine tonight.
Who? Well, not even that the fact
that there's a solid gold toilet.
Maybe maybe do something better?Do they offer 100,000 LB every
time a person goes missing? They don't even bloody look.
We know for a fact that they don't even look.
Exactly. So yeah, they that disgusts sick
now theory swell. And authorities believed early
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in the investigation that America was broken down and sold
the parts. So did your hubby return from
the pub with a golden toilet seat or a gilded Bulcock?
I just wanted to say Bulcock on here in the news of the theft,
the artist, Catalan said. I always liked heist movies and
finally I'm in one. So he took it and I think that's
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quite good that he was sort. Of like, well, it's not his name
is. Yeah, Oh yeah, he got his money
for it. It's actually probably made him
more famous, isn't it? So, but who?
So hang on, if he's used that amount of gold, somebody's
obviously stumped up for him to do.
Oh this makes me sick. I'm glad it got stolen.
Yeah. What's, what's the word when you
were, was it commissioned? Yeah, I wonder.
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I didn't find that out. I wonder whose idea it was in
the 1st place. I don't know.
I don't know. And it used to be, sorry, it
used to be that your, your bank notes were basically an IOU.
That's what the bank like a £10 note was.
So there's this amount of gold sat in a bank.
I don't believe that we're usingthe gold that's actually in the
banks anymore. I think a lot of these rich
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people, I'm not going to go downthat rate, but so they've taken
gold out of a bank. So does that mean my money has
disappeared now because they've turned it into a toilet?
Yeah, criminals have it. I'm I'm gonna be quiet now.
Say a lot of my money goes down the toilet anyway.
She's waiting for me to laugh there.
No. So Thames Valley Police launched
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an extensive investigation and in the months and years that
followed the heist, several arrests were made but all
suspects were bailed while the investigation continued with
several significant lines of inquiry including DNA and other
friends at work, mobile phone and cell tower analysis and
officers spent hours decipheringRomany and Cockney Ryman slang,
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including encrypted messages about cars which spoiler that
was code for gold bars. Eventually, on the 6th of
November 2023, the CPS authorised charges against four
of the men for the theft. The men appeared at Oxford Crown
Court in February 2025, and during a trial estimated to last
roughly 4 weeks, we learned moreabout the gang response
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responsible for the Golden Toilet heist.
And I'm gonna tell you more about them.
So Michael Jones had conducted the recce, even going so far as
to buy Palace membership and booking a loo visit.
You've got to admire his cheek. Well, it's also a bit stupid
though, isn't it? Yeah, same as the last.
Day membership in his name. Here's my name.
Here's my address. Yeah, yeah, photos were taken of
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the sculpture, its location, possible entry and exit routes.
But get this, he even took a toilet selfie.
What a douche. Then there was Fred Doe and Bora
Gukuk, I don't know how to say his name but I like the sound of
that. They were both charged with one
count of conspiracy to convert or transfer criminal property,
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namely gold, which they denied. But let me tell you now about
and this is the biggie, the so-called mastermind of this
Joby. Joby, that word, it's such a
Scotch word. So it's usually like this.
A joby makes me feel. Sick.
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So his name was James or Jimmy Sheen and he is a man with a
long rap sheet. Like long rap sheet.
And I'm going to try and get my head around the timeline
because, man, he's been a busy boy.
Was it an Andrex Long? That's what I had in my head.
Or was it just? Puppy just running away, that
that is his criminal. Yeah, his criminal history.
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I love dogs. I love that too.
So Jimmy, who was already serving a sentence.
So get this, he was serving a sentence for a violent shooting.
He was out on licence when he orchestrated the bog job.
What is going on in these gaols that people don't care if they
get sent back? Just let me let, let me go with
this one. Because he is, yeah.
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He just couldn't keep his hands clean.
Basically him and his associatesas part of numerous Ocgs.
So that's a organised crime group.
That's what they call them. That's like the mafia and stuff.
That's what they, I don't know if they call them that in
America, but certainly. In well, not necessarily the
mafia, it's any group. So it could be like gangs and
things like that as well. Yeah.
Any collective collection of people, yeah, that are
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committing crime together, I think it is, yeah.
OCG's line of duty. Is that a programme?
Are you for real? Well, you don't know Line of
Duty. Where did we find you?
It's I, I can't even. I only watch the real stuff
really, and Dexter I. Only watch the wheel stuff,
you're bonkers. Anyway they were that or they
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are responsible for more than £5,000,000 in criminal profits
with crimes including. So they did a whole They did
like 12 months where they went around blowing up cash machines
and robbing them. Oh they were stealing posh farm
kit including tractors and stuff.
There was a heist at Newmarket Racecourse Museum where they
stole a load of solid silver andgold trophies.
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You've been there. I have been there.
I've been there. So I went.
Why did you call? I don't, I don't know why I
went. I think I was trying to go
Suffolk, but that went, I went back to my roots.
I went Devon and it's not in Devon, it's in Suffolk.
So I went to Newmarket Racecourse when my friend Amanda
from school, she was my one of my besties at school.
She was training to be a jockey.Oh, wow.
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And she scored really highly in her exams and everything got
through, everything got offered a place.
But she was homesick and she hadstuff going on at home and so
she didn't go. But she was amazing.
Was she little? Yeah, very petite, Very, very
petite. And she's now got a daughter
who, when I see pictures on Facebook, I'm.
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I have to check that it's not anold photo because they just
others. They are this little
doppelganger. Absolutely.
Her daughter looks so much like her it's crazy.
But yeah, so they've broken intothe museum.
Anyway, I was gonna make it. I'm partial to a pun.
I was gonna make a joke about the journey from petty crime to
potty crime and, you know, very much intended pun.
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But honestly, I read about this guy in the previous crimes and
petty. Calling them petty would just be
disrespectful. Disrespectful to his victims.
These men wreaked havoc. Ohh so the funds over now.
All the funny pans. Fans.
No, not, not quite. There's still gonna be some, but
I still. Think of any toilet pans.
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I think I fit them pretty much all in.
You might have to go back and listen to catch them.
So a little back story about theshooting that I mentioned.
OK, so it was in 2000 and nine, 2009, sorry, involving Jimmy and
his brother John. Both men from the travelling
community had a turbulent history that led to an eruption
of violence. OK.
It began years before that as well.
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So in 2006, John Sheen was in a relationship.
So this John, his is Jimmy's brother, OK was in a
relationship with a woman named Dora.
And that same year both John andJimmy were sentenced to 5 1/2
years in prison for conspiracy to steal motor vehicles.
So while they were serving time,Dora moved on and in 2008 she
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married a man named George Reed.But by the end of that year,
with the Sheens now out of prison because again, they only
did a half sentence, John and Dora rekindled their
relationship behind George's back and were now embroiled in
an adulterous affair. OK.
And naturally, really. This caused some serious tension
between the less than savoury characters and.
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Things came to a head on the 1stof December in 2009 when Jimmy
and George had a violent run in at petrol station and they ended
up ramming each other's cars. Then followed heating, heated
phone calls and exchanges between the Reeds and the Sheens
and the two families arranged tosettle things later that day.
Mono a Mono OK. Before that meeting, however,
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the Sheen brothers travelled to Doncaster to acquire firearms
and possibly a little muscle. Ohh no.
Can you spell premeditation? You're just a really creepy
face. Yeah, you went scared.
So at around 9:30 that evening, the rival families met, but the
confrontation quickly escalated with the reeds retreating.
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So I wonder if they're like, oh crap, they're packing, you know,
they got guns now. And a high speed chase ensued.
So this was through. And one family chasing the other
family. You mean not?
Yes, at least Chase. Yeah, the Reeds were being.
So they fled because I think they hadn't realised there was
going to be. Guns.
I thought it was hand to hand. And so they fled.
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Oh. Somebody gets killed with that's
not involved with the Sheens in pursuit.
So this was through Henley Rd inCoventry, which was an otherwise
quiet residential St. The Sheens were in a Range
Rover, the reeds in an Audi A8, and reportedly doing speeds of
between 50 and 90 mph the residential street.
At some point the Sheens opened fire and forensics would later
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glean that at least seven shots were fired into the Reed's Audi
from distances of just like between just two and 10 metres.
So that's good, pretty close to high speed as well.
So at some point, a little Toyota Aygo driven by Cindy
Chung became caught in the crossfire and sandwiched between
the two rival vehicles. Oh my God.
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And the Sheens peppered Chung's little car with shotgun pellets,
which injured Miss Chung and herpassenger, Lee Healey.
And honestly, it's just sheer fluke that somebody wasn't
killed and this was a pathetic and pointless.
Why would you do that? You know, that vehicle's got
nothing to do with it, unless you thought, oh, they've set
something up, but it was never meant to end and out.
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Honestly, I think it was just the sheer speed and the the rage
that they were in. That's what it seems like.
It just seems like it was all just very quick and.
Reasoning wasn't involved at all.
Reasoning at all. Luckily they did both survive
and her passenger, but they bothhad to undergo surgery to have
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shrapnel removed. And poor Miss Chung.
She has to live with pellets in her face for the rest of her
life because their removal posestoo great a risk of causing
permanent damage or paralysis. And the.
PTSD. Yeah, yeah.
And there was loads of talk on from her about nightmares and
flashbacks and things like that and awful.
Absolutely. And they were literally in the
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wrong place at the wrong time. And a bit nothing happened over
it. So the Sheens were both
sentenced actually. Oh for the firearms offences.
They were sentenced to 14 years.The Reeds got away with it,
which I'm surprised that they didn't get charged for
something. The duration of the Sheen
sentences were reduced by 20% because they pled guilty 5 weeks
before the trial date and because the men had previous
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convictions for dishonesty but none for violence.
That's why reduction was accepted.
However, the judge said firearmsillicitly held mean custody.
Firearms used at at least seven times mean longer custody,
firearms used in a residential St means yet longer custody, and
firearms used in injuring the innocent mean yet longer
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custody. The Sheens then appealed their
sentence, but the appeal was refused.
That was in 2011. That makes me sick.
I know we know he's going to come out because we know he's
done this potty robbery. After serving just part of the
sentence in custody in 2017, Jimmy Sheen was released on
licence. And you might know, but on
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licence release is a system in the UK where prisoners are let
out early but they remain under strict conditions.
So these conditions might include regular probation, check
INS, curfews, limits on travel, a ban on contacting certain
people and obviously being caught in breach of any of these
conditions. You're straight back to gaol.
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Do not pass code, do not collect£200 and I think it's like
parole in the USA. It is, however we don't have
enough people in the police to actually police that, so it's
absolute bullshit. I know it's like when people are
released on bail. Who enforces nobody?
The restrictions, who I know it's.
Nobody. And then the other thing is, Oh
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my God, things keep going out ofmy head.
She's having a perimenopausal brain fart.
I am. And it was really good.
I know it was really good. Wait a minute.
Hang on. We might have to cut a bit here.
Well, I quickly think, yeah. So there's not the people to
actually police these people that are right on on parole.
And it really bugs me. Like they'll get a certain
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sentence and then it's like, oh,you were you had good behaviour.
Well, yeah, because I can't get guns in here and shoot people I
don't like. So yeah, it must seem like I've
got good behaviour. And that was the other thing I
was going to say. You said they had no violence in
their past. I'm sorry, but you don't go from
no violence to guns. Yeah.
So. I think it was more they had no
violent conviction. Yeah, they've never been caught.
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Yeah. And when you see the scale of
what he's been up to in the timewhen he was out on licence,
there is no formation or anything.
I mean, they wouldn't have even been allowed under probation
laws. They wouldn't have been allowed
to be together, the two brothers, because you're not
allowed to be. With criminals.
So Jimmy was caught eventually and recalled to prison in June
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2020 and in 2022 he was sentenced to 17 years for his
involvement with the OCG. So that was for the tractor
theft, the cash machine robberies and Newmarket
racecourse heist. But they didn't know yet he'd
done the toilets. I think that he was one of the
suspects I spoke about but they nobody had been arrested, nobody
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had been charged yet. And a little nugget of
information about those other OCG related crimes.
So after that trial at Oxford Crown Court, a judge ruled that
Sheen had personally made upwardof £900,000 from those crimes,
but was ordered to pay back justa quid.
So just one shiny British pound.That's there's no punishment.
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No, because where does where's that money go?
Because these people are money oriented, that's why they do
everything. So take the money off.
Them, yeah. And at this point as well, I
think his brother's out and about.
So surely the family are just benefit from all that revenue
from crime? Yep.
Which you're not allowed. You're not allowed to benefit
from criminal activities. Yep.
So back to the main event. How long would James Sheen and
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his band of toilet tear aways bepunished for stealing America?
And as I mentioned, so after finally being charged in 2023,
the trial began in February 2025.
So this is all quite recent, this stuff.
The verdicts were as follows. James Sheen pleaded guilty to 1
count each of burglary, conspiracy to transfer criminal
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property and transferring criminal property.
He was sentenced to four years. Four years was added to his
already existing catalogue of. And he doesn't care.
He. Doesn't Michael Jones he so he
was the one that went and did the selfie.
He was found guilty by a jury. So.
So James Sheen was in prison already.
He'd been recalled by this point.
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So he was actually, he pled guilty expecting a short
sentence again, which is what heseems to do.
He seems to plead guilty to get this reduction.
The rest let it go to trial. So Michael Jones found guilty by
trial of 1 count of burglary. He was sentenced to two years
and three months. Fred Doe was found guilty by a
jury of 1 count of conspiracy totransfer criminal property.
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He got a suspended sentence and Bora Gurkuk found not guilty by
a jury and acquitted. I know this one wasn't a violent
crime, but it's a crime. We should have the three.
Strikes rule and it doesn't matter what you get caught on.
But also, if they're not willingto return the thing they've
stolen or give an explanation asto where it is, but then because
those three went not guilty, they're not going to cough up I.
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Just, I mean, I honestly don't really care what they got for
that crime. It's hearing about all the other
stuff in the background that they're doing and they just
don't give a shit. And the fact that they were let
out of prison to do it, Yeah. Yeah.
So the court heard Sheen had tried to shift the gold just
days after the heist, referring to 20 kilogrammes worth of gold
as cars and sending. And that's what I said was gold
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bars and sending photos of wads of cash with a message reading
520,000 ha ha ha. But that's OK because he paid
back a #. Victoria, you're being really
over the top about this. He left his DNA on the
sledgehammer used to dislodge the toilet as well.
What a sloppy mistake. I wanna be.
Sledgehammer. Sorry a little bit, Peter.
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Why don't you go sorry? That's all about sex, isn't it?
That. That, yeah, sledgehammers is
Wang, isn't it? I think so.
That's what of course he's goingto call it a sledgehammer.
He's not going to call it like afork.
If it's a fork, you've got an issue like that's like an
octopus growing off him. Half an octopus.
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This must be underwater love. Ohh God.
So there's lots of tidbits of information on this case and all
a bit drawn out, but ultimately it seems Thames Valley did put
together. So sorry, Thames Valley Police
did put together a solid case and they flushed out the crims.
And as if this crime couldn't get any weirder, a recent
article on the 17th of June fromthe ever reliable Yahoo reported
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that a shiny gold loo has been returned to Blenheim Palace,
this time under close guard. But don't be fooled folks, it
looks more like a knockoff from Team U than a solid gold
original. And I think it's the PR stunt.
It's definitely not the original.
I've looked at the photos. I don't understand why people
would want to go and sit on a top like I don't get that.
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A toilet that's been shared by so many people.
Yeah, it's like that. Was it Tracy Emmon?
Is that the name of that artist who did the unmade bed?
Oh yeah, that's not. Art.
If it is, you could see that if all the time in my bedroom.
Well, do you remember the personthat stuck the banana?
Yeah, I did that with Becky's son when I was because Becky's
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into art and stuff. And I was looking after Oliver,
her youngest. And we sell a taped a banana to
her kitchen cabinet and I sent her a picture of him with his
artwork. And then he and I sent her a
picture a few minutes later of him eating his artwork.
Edible artwork. That's that's where your money's
at. I know we'll probably never know
what happened to this solid goldtoilet.
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Smelted, sold, still have her somewhere glimmering.
I ignore one of her little puns and she just pulls silly faces.
So you fake. Laughed up.
I fake laughed. I think it's out there
shimmering in somebody's fancy en suite, shrouded in a fluffy
lilac toilet seat cover. That's what I'd put on it
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anyway. And have one of those ladies
that sits over the toilet roll. You know, like the crinoline
lady. Yeah, but I just can't with all
this. I wouldn't.
No. Anyway, one thing.
We've got castles, we've got like in the UK, we've got so
much history and people want to go and sit on a toilet.
Something I've just thought as well, 2019, weren't we sort of
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still in the midst of lockdown and COVID and stuff and they're
going into a toilet that's been shared by that many people.
I can't, I honestly can't remember when COVID was it not
2020 lockdown I think Well, I I can't remember.
I don't know. Anyway, one thing we know is
that. Let me get my puns out, would
you? One thing we know is that crime
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almost always leaves a paper trail.
I hope you enjoyed this episode and whilst it is, or has been
hopefully a little bit more light hearted than usual, I'm
still very firm in my opinion that there is no such thing as a
victimless crime and if you break the law you're probably
going to get caught. And if you're planning on
stealing a toilet, don't be surprised when things go down
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the pan. Oh, that she was.
Any more puns? I have nothing.
Would you like? To sit and contemplate for a
while. No, I did also because the
timeline of all his crimes, Jimmy Sheen's crimes were quite
complicated because all the timeI'm thinking, but he was in
prison. No, he wasn't.
He'd been released when he did this next crime, in this next
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crime, this. And so I have written a little
list, like a little breakdown, which I'll put on the comments
and stuff in the Facebook pages and things like that.
Sounds good. But yeah, what a Dick.
Yeah, what a douche. Yeah, what a douche.
That was informative. I got really angry.
She's just thrown her paperwork away broke.
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I just found it quite It makes me quite angry that crime
obviously does pay for some people and our system of
incarceration is obviously not working.
When I read that he had to pay back a quid, I'm just.
That's a slap in the face. I don't understand how.
That it doesn't mean anything, that doesn't make him stop and
think, oh, I won't do this again.
But. Also why aren't they being
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forced to pay back that money? Could go to policing.
It could go to. Community School.
It could be put to good use which would help people rather
than. And it's not just a pain though,
because every single time he goes to gaol, he's using
taxpayers money as well. Like, you know, so he's not just
stealing. The fact that he keeps doing
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these things means he he's stealing from us every single
time. Well, that breakdown, I think I
looked from around 2001 to present day and those were only
the known crimes. You know what I mean?
It's and also I remember, so my dad used to work at prison and
one of the guys, one of the inmates there was from the
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travelling community. He got a call from his dad and
his dad's caravan had been robbed.
Oh gosh, OK. And like his dad was really
crossed because they'd taken 12 grand cash or something like
that. This kid turned around and said
to my dad, it's OK though, they didn't get the gold.
Oh wow, OK, it's like the 12. Grand was nothing, apparently it
was just a drop in the ocean. It was nothing if.
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Anybody has 12 grand they don't mind losing, they can give it to
me. Yeah.
Along with stray cats and dogs. Well, that was yeah.
It was really interesting. It's just it's not as light
hearted when you dig. But yeah, the case.
Is what I mean. Nothing ever is.
There's no such thing as a victimless crime.
There really isn't somebody's effect.
And actually, even those I felt sorry for the security guards
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because they would have. I'm sure there would have been
questions asked of them. Yeah, but if those security
guards had got involved earlier,those guys wouldn't have been
against beating them up now. So.
And nobody, I'm sorry, but nobody's life is worth trying to
stop somebody steal a toilet, let alone anything else.
I'm still surprised they took a VW Golf with them thinking that
would be, well they they're theyhad an Isuzu as well.
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No, but aren't they one of them?There's a TDI or an Sxi or
something. Golf or speedy if.
I wasn't thinking of the speed, I was thinking of the axles when
they put this weight of toilet in.
What's 98 kilogrammes in stones?Oh, I'm just trying to work out
if it's like the equivalent of aperson.
So it'd just be like having a fourth person, I suppose.
Maybe that's why they had two cars, so they could all get away
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and take. It all I assumed that the Isuzu
was to ram the gates and force their way in through the gate,
but I don't know. I don't know.
So there's a video of it, there's CCTV you.
Said there was five guys, didn'tyou?
So most cars, it would be a tight squeeze for five guys as
well. Burgers.
I was thinking about that. The whole Five Guys things I
thought was mainly potato related for some reason.
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They do good burgers, they do burgers and chips, but actually
they're so expensive it's not worth it.
Go to go to go to spoons, get your wings.
Sorry, we're completely off on attention now.
We are So, yeah. Have you got anything else
today? Don't.
Think so. Well, I was just going to add on
the end or. Throat, you do.
I was just going to add on the end that the mushroom case has
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been come to our verdict and it is guilty.
So Erin Patterson has been foundguilty, but the sentencing
hasn't happened. Yet No.
But did you hear what she did? She served her own beef
Wellington on a different coloured plate so she could
identify her own and not poison herself accidentally.
I know what if I had been in herposition, I would have put it on
the other colour plate and then my brain would have said but did
(43:22):
you do it right? Did you do it?
Right anyway, but I wouldn't have lived to tell the tale I.
Wouldn't have eaten anything. No.
Well, I wouldn't poison anybody anyway.
So thank you very much. You're welcome.
And. Next time is going to be, I'm
afraid to say, back to gruesome.Oh well.
I'm. For me, sorry gems, next one I
have no clue. My next case.
(43:45):
Is no spoilers. No, I'm not going to give you a
spoiler. I've swapped it for.
So the case I was going to do last time I switched for the
Ellen Halbert case, I'm switching it again.
I'm keeping that one in my back pocket.
And my next one is going to makepeople fit in one of two camps
as to what they think. And that's all I'm really going
(44:05):
to say that I don't think it's clean cut.
OK, So thank you for listening. Bye.
Keep on tracking. The.
The. Hi, I'm Jen.
And I'm Vic. And this is the crumbly bimble
crack. There we go, she added a spin to
that I wasn't expecting. Yeah, the beatboxing I've still
not shared. Remix Oh, I tried to roll my R,
my R. Oh, that was quite good.
(00:47):
You should be Scottish then because we roll our Rs.
When I moved from like when I lived up here the first time and
I moved over to Germany, everyone thought I was Scottish.
Like when I first came to Scotland I spoke with a little
because I was from, I was born in Devon, so I spoke with a
Worzel accent. And then when I moved to
Germany, everyone just assumed Iwas Scottish because I sounded
so Scottish, but I don't remember sounding Scottish.
(01:09):
I think maybe they'd just never met a Scottish person before.
Maybe, maybe that's what it was.But yeah, then then I sort of
moved around and I don't think I've got an accent of anything
now, have I just. Oh, you've very definitely got
an English accent. Yeah, but just bog standard
English it. Depends what words you're saying
I think. What's the word I'm looking?
I can't even think right now. Peculiar geographic accent.
(01:31):
That's not right. You know what I mean?
Area specific. No, that's not the word I was
looking for, but let's go with it.
But it means what you're talkingabout.
Yeah, it does, yeah. OK, So what have you been up to
this week? I don't know.
I went out for a lovely, lovely Sunday dinner.
Did. That was absolutely amazing.
That was a gift from my lovely friend.
(01:53):
That's me. It was you.
Yeah. It was really nice, wasn't?
It I had a not good Margarita though.
That Margarita was Borgen. Yeah, it was Borgen, pal.
That was Borgen. I know a nice Margarita, and
that wasn't one, I'm sorry to say, but the espresso martini
that followed was very, very nice.
(02:14):
Why are you sorry to say? I noticed people and I do it as
well. But apologise for everything.
I don't need to apologise for that.
I won't name the place so it doesn't really matter.
So I was gonna put that cup down.
Sorry. Victoria is not allowed to
drink. Well, we don't drink on
microphone. On air.
On air. That's what I was looking for.
(02:36):
Yeah, because I edit it and it drives me bonkers.
I have myzophonia and noises really bug me.
And if looks could kill right now, Yup Yup.
Ah, and I went to a charity shopthis week.
Tell me. I spotted something which was
the most, Oh amazing, just the biggest hat in all of the land.
(02:58):
And I tried it on and it was awesome and I convinced myself
that I didn't need this hat. And so I left without it.
And then I just couldn't stop thinking about it and I had
regrets. And my lovely friend went back
and fetched it for me. And so when she turned up on
Sunday, she had the enormous hat.
But what what is weird about theenormous hat is that the actual
(03:20):
bit that you put on your head isnot that big.
No, no, it's just just the brim,isn't it the brim brim like a
it's actually, I think it's probably a little bit more than
a foot. So what's that like 3 foot
circumference maybe? It's huge.
It's not 3 feet wide. It isn't, but you can't.
I went and got it and when I tried it on in the house, I
(03:41):
couldn't go from one room to theother because I couldn't fit
through the doors. No, and I'm just thinking it's
bigger than a manhole. How many holes of men have you
seen? Oh, gross.
Any who. Have you been up to?
I also went out for dinner. Yeah, and it was yummy.
What a. Coincidence.
I know a quinky dink and what did you have to?
(04:03):
Drink. What beverage were you on?
Oh, I had a French martini. Very sophisticated.
Very. And then I had a Drambuy
liqueur, Coffee. Coffee.
So is that is Drambui just a whiskey liquor?
It's. Obviously like it was.
Orange and that was gross, but that's that's cool.
I'm thinking of Grammarnier. Oh yeah, another one.
Yeah. So Drambui is a.
(04:25):
A whiskey? A whiskey liquor?
Yep. Coffee.
So that sounds quite nice. That and what else have I done?
We did have food as well. We're saying about all.
These we did well, we both have the same Yeah, we did you,
except you had your steak mediumrare and I have mine blue and
the chips were bonkers. They were huge.
They were, and I've decided I think I'm a fries person.
(04:48):
That's a lot of effort to chew through that.
There was too much potato for mein one sitting.
Potato. I did potato but I was impressed
by the size and I wonder where they got those mutant potatoes
because they were so big. Yeah, they were pretty big.
And on the subject of potatoes, potatoes, my washing basket ones
(05:09):
have got big leafy bits on them now and I'm quite excited by
them. That's really good.
And so you know, you have to wait for them to flower and then
the flowers die and that means your potatoes are ready.
That's amazing. Every food should have a system
like that. Yeah.
Is that ready to eat? There's a Tulip on the top.
No, it's not ready to eat. Wait until that Tulip dies.
(05:32):
Oh yes, sorry. But the potato flowers are
actually quite pretty I think, in my opinion.
But then I I'm a fan of dandelions.
I love them. Wait, the beddoors.
I just think they're pretty. I love seeing a bee on a
dandelion. You love seeing a bee, full
stop. I do.
What else have I done? Well I've been working a lot
again and I was away on Friday night for work and I saw squid
(05:55):
gels. They were so cute so I took.
Scalp. Those are squirrels.
Those are. Gels I took scallops with me to
do the so this is a recipe that fish.
I love dogs in uniform. I there's this recipe that my
(06:16):
uncle used to make and then my mum started making it and then I
was like, oh, and I can't cook. I'm a terrible cook, but I can
do these. So it's basically you get your
scallops, you get some double cream, no measurements.
It's awesome. You put lemon juice in it and
like stir it up, add a bit of dill.
I forgot the dill, but add a bitof dill.
And then you cover your scallopsin that stuff.
(06:37):
You're creaming. You're lemon in your dill.
You're as you. It's not as you it's it's like.
A creamy Jew. I'm going to call it that was
gross and that is not what I puton my scallops I.
Didn't I? Didn't.
Just carry on. I'm gonna I Then you put it in
the oven for like 20 minutes at 200.
(06:59):
Oh, wait, you've put Parmesan onthe top.
Oh, that. Just got 100 times better.
It is so good. But so the person whose house I
was in didn't have like a an oven.
It was one of those things that looks like a microwave, but it's
a grill, a microwave, and a convection oven.
That is a convection oven. That's what it's called when
it's all all of the above. It was an air fryer too.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, it was a. 10 oven in 2023.
(07:22):
No, wait, that's back. Backwards 2029.
That's because we're getting old, you see, We can't keep up
anyway, so I have my scallops, but I cut the row off, you know,
the little orange bit, and put it out for the squidgles.
Ah, but they weren't interested.But they did eat an apple.
I can't imagine a squirrel eating a scallop.
That's just a weird thing. Well, it is weird because they
(07:43):
live in the trees and scallops from the sea, but I've lost my
track of thought because she's reaching for her coffee cup
again. So OK, let's pause.
Pause so I can have a slurp. Silence.
You've just spoke at the end of that.
You're such a twit. So yeah, I had, we're back.
I had my scallops as a little treat and I watched that
(08:03):
documentary that I told you about, The Shark Whisperer.
And I have a massive phobia of sharks brought about by a
horrendous experience at Universal Studios.
But I'm fascinated by them, so Ilove shows about them.
I'm not going to go into depth about it, but it's about Ocean
Ramsay. If you look her up, she's trying
to save the sharks basically. Anyway, we've blabbered on for
too long. I, I just want to say actually,
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because it's not just about, yousaid about the sharks and
whatnot. And yeah, we both are fascinated
by sharks, but absolutely petrified.
But I went paddle boarding with Theo and I completely forgot
because I'd done paddle boardingin rivers and stuff and ponds
and lakes. I went paddle boarding in the
sea for the first time. Well done.
There were a couple of moments where I was out there on my own
going. There's dark things underneath
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me, but no, it's really, really good.
I only wish I could take my camera on the paddle board cause
some of the views from there. I do have an underwater camera
somewhere. I'll probably have to fetch it
out, but there won't be as good quality.
Could you stick like a GoPro in your head?
Oh. Potentially, yeah.
Theo's got GoPro. Oh, but I was telling you about
the documentary. But the thing about the
documentary is yes, she's got the perfect name, perfect,
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perfect name. So I remember seeing a photo of
this woman who was in with greatwhites and she was right up
against someone. She had her hand out.
I'll how to train a dragon, right?
And she was doing this with great whites and tiger sharks
and I was like, she's obviously crazy.
That was Ocean Ramsey and she understands them.
She just, they come over to her and she just pops her hand on
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their nose and pushes them down.And some of them come for their
like little puppies. They come over and they want
scritches. It's amazing.
You've got to watch it. Everybody has to watch.
Hence, she's the shark whisperer.
Yes, there you go. So anyway.
We have Jabberdon. Sorry, we have and feedback
recently was that the cases are quite dark.
I want to say no shit Sherlock. However, my last episode I tried
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to make it a little bit more. There was something nice at the
end. Of it was something nice at the
end. The brim in middle bit was
terrifying. But yeah, there was an
underlying story of hope. Yeah, there was.
And when I so you guys wouldn't have heard it, but when I was
recording it with Victoria to begin with, I was very dramatic
at some points. Like I was like if the person
was shouting, I was raising my voice.
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But it's some of it sounded so corny.
I deleted it. But you've promised me something
light today. I have, yeah.
Shall I get on it? So, Victoria, what's the crack?
Well, this episode is about a crime that left many red faced.
You might even say it left them feeling a little flushed.
OK, in the wee small hours of dawn around 4:50 AM on Saturday
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the 14th of September in 2019, two stolen vehicles, AVW Golf
and an Isuzu pickup were used toram through the gates of
Blenheim Palace in Oxfordshire, an impressive stately home and
the birth place of Sir Winston Churchill, OH.
Is this going to be a jewellery or art heist?
No. Five men dressed all in black
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emerged from the vehicles, but they weren't there to delve into
history or for a guided tour. No, no, they wanted the toilet.
Wait, they they clearly didn't just need a pee?
How desperate do you have to be?I've got IBS.
I know we didn't do that. I've got a hamster bladder and I
probably would do that. Armed with the tools, the men
smashed through a window, kickedin a door and forced their way
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into a gallery. Their aim, more precise than
most men, was to pinch a very pretty potty indeed.
Oh. In fact, they were there for a
fully functional 18 karat gold toilet called America.
First problem, who names their toilet?
Are we meant to name our toilets?
Is this similar to me not washing my front step twice
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daily? You mean you haven't named your
toilet? No.
What's yours? Called DeLorean.
I don't know. I panicked.
It's what? Did you see and second problem
is a gold toilet and you're likefully gold, not gold plated
evenly gold. Like, yeah.
That sounds gaudy. And this wasn't your typical
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smash and grab, this was a splash and dash.
Oh God. Oh God, The toilet weighed a
whopping 98 kilos. It was plumbed in, like I say,
fully functional, which meant when they used a sledgehammer to
dislodge it from its royal resting place, they left water
pipes gushing, causing flooding.Major structural damage to the
designated UNESCO World Heritagesite.
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You could say they left the palace in deep shambles.
They rolled the bowl out of the palace and piece by piece the
gang loaded the golden LAV into the vehicles and within
approximately 5 minutes these slippery little customers headed
off with their loot, pulling offone of the highest value gold
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thefts in UK history. 5 minutes is the quickest I've ever heard
a man be in the toilet, let alone stealing the damn thing.
So they also. Didn't take a newspaper?
Oh, that's days of old. They obviously didn't take their
phones in with them. What?
What are you doing with why are you you're not selling that
offer parts. You're not gonna get people down
like the market being like, oh, you got a flasher.
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I can have might. I don't understand why.
Why was there a gold toilet Do these Polish people have?
She says about me doing accents right.
And she's done Essex, she's donelanding.
But. Mine are good.
My what was that? I did last a piglet.
My piglet wasn't good. Oh, no, it was Winnie the Pooh.
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Oh, I've got flopping stuff. Are you sure that wasn't me that
did that? Sometimes it's hard to tell.
No, no, it was me. And because you said never do
Winnie the Pooh again, All right?
Never do Winnie the Pooh again, OK?
When the penny finally dropped and the security team caught
wind of what was occurring, theygave chase.
But it was too late. The gang had already fled,
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leaving nothing behind but soggyfloors and a toilet shaped hole
in British dignity. So what's the story with this
blinging bog? I hear you say It was sculpted
by an Italian artist, so I guessit was an art installation, you
should say. You could say the artist's name
was Maurizio Catalan and it was made in 2016.
America was created to satirise wealth, excess and consumerism.
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Some believe in it to be an interpretation of Donald Trump's
career. Created in a Florentine foundry,
cast from several parts and welded together so it looked
like a regular toilet, except itshimmered like Midas had done.
AB and Q run so shiny. What?
What would you clean that with? Would you have to use something
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that you couldn't see? Toilet Duck, don't you?
Could you? We're not sponsored by Toilet
Duck, but we didn't say no. I caught my friend once I went
into work and I caught my friendthrowing bread into the toilet
and I was like, what are you doing?
I'm feeding the toilet duck. Did you just make that?
Up No, no. The solid wait, can I just say,
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Phil, you know how you talk before you said about they
brought tools with them and everything.
I learned an interesting fact that I think the world might
like to hear. Do you know why the crowbar was
invented? No, because they were fed up
drinking at home. The crowbar for crows.
She murdered that one. That was a Liam Hampson special.
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A Solid Gold piece was an art exhibition on loan from the
Guggenheim Museum in New York, America, was designed to
resemble the museum's other toilets and was installed in a
room on the ground floor for visitors to use.
Oh yeah, with over 100,000 people waiting in line to perch
on the golden throne. Why would you want to steal
something people have peed in? Why would you want to wait in a
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line with 100,000 people to use the toilet?
You'd just go. In the northern.
Or in there. You'd go to the normal ceramic.
Tables or the whatever I I always New Year's Eve in pubs
was always the worst, like womenwaiting outside the toilets.
I'm just going to go in the men's.
I do that whenever I go, if I go, even if I go to Tesco.
And I know you're not meant to do this, but if the ladies are
like, really busy, I just go at the men's.
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Yeah. Just you can't wait sometimes.
You can't and I would just go toa good old Armitage Shanks.
Remember them? People still have them, don't
they? They still make toilets, don't
they? White goods, porcelain not
sponsored by them. Not.
But open to the idea. We don't want the criminal crack
to be sponsored by crack. You put your.
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Crack on it, don't you? She's you could listen to it.
You could listen to us on it. For one so America, this golden
toilet was actually only installed at Blenheim Palace two
days before the robbery. It been there two days.
So somebody was really quick offthe pan on this one, but.
Well, wait a minute. So if it had only been two days
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in there, chances are they knew that it had only just got put in
there. Why didn't they just do it on
like when it was getting moved? Why didn't they just steal it
then? And then it would all be in one
piece as well. Maybe more risk, I'll get to the
security bit in a minute and andmaybe you'll see why so.
Well, it's more of a risk because those guys were, well,
sleeping on the job. And despite the toilet being
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worth around £4.75 million. That makes me feel sick.
The gold alone was valued at 2.8million, so obviously the art
value on top of that. But security was shockingly LAX
during the day. One guard stood sentry outside
the cubicle door and I got this image in my head that he maybe
passed you, like, offered you a towel and offered you a squirt
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of CK1 for a fibre. Yeah, charge you a fibre ago.
I remember like one of the womenin a nightclub toilet having
glow sticks and stuff and then trying to charge people £10 for
a glow stick. It's like you what, love?
No, thank you. But we could afford them back in
the day because drinks were not so extortionately priced.
When I worked for Wetherspoons, the cheapest pint was 119.
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Yeah, wasn't it like £2 for a vodka and Red Bull or something
like that? Yeah, 250 for a double At night,
America was simply locked behinda flimsy wooden door.
There was no CCTV, no alarm, no bog standard common sense boil
accounts. Security was deemed a non issue
because the toilet had been plumbed in so it was connected
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to the water pipes and they justobviously thought it would be
OK. But somebody saw an opportunity
and with the thieves and the toilet now gone, like I say it
was 5 minutes gone. Police thought they had nothing
to go on. But it soon transpired that CCTV
had captured the assailants in the brazen act.
But exterior footage only. It wasn't actually, because like
I said, there was no. CCTV is useless.
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But it was a start. The Palace's insurance company,
Fine Art Spicy Adjusters, or FASA, offered a reward of
£100,000 for the return of the solid gold artwork.
They've got a cheek, honestly, like I know this is a light
hearted like story, however, we have people starving in this
country. They don't have homes and
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they're I bet you they throw everything at fine tonight.
Who? Well, not even that the fact
that there's a solid gold toilet.
Maybe maybe do something better?Do they offer 100,000 LB every
time a person goes missing? They don't even bloody look.
We know for a fact that they don't even look.
Exactly. So yeah, they that disgusts sick
now theory swell. And authorities believed early
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in the investigation that America was broken down and sold
the parts. So did your hubby return from
the pub with a golden toilet seat or a gilded Bulcock?
I just wanted to say Bulcock on here in the news of the theft,
the artist, Catalan said. I always liked heist movies and
finally I'm in one. So he took it and I think that's
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quite good that he was sort. Of like, well, it's not his name
is. Yeah, Oh yeah, he got his money
for it. It's actually probably made him
more famous, isn't it? So, but who?
So hang on, if he's used that amount of gold, somebody's
obviously stumped up for him to do.
Oh this makes me sick. I'm glad it got stolen.
Yeah. What's, what's the word when you
were, was it commissioned? Yeah, I wonder.
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I didn't find that out. I wonder whose idea it was in
the 1st place. I don't know.
I don't know. And it used to be, sorry, it
used to be that your, your bank notes were basically an IOU.
That's what the bank like a £10 note was.
So there's this amount of gold sat in a bank.
I don't believe that we're usingthe gold that's actually in the
banks anymore. I think a lot of these rich
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people, I'm not going to go downthat rate, but so they've taken
gold out of a bank. So does that mean my money has
disappeared now because they've turned it into a toilet?
Yeah, criminals have it. I'm I'm gonna be quiet now.
Say a lot of my money goes down the toilet anyway.
She's waiting for me to laugh there.
No. So Thames Valley Police launched
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an extensive investigation and in the months and years that
followed the heist, several arrests were made but all
suspects were bailed while the investigation continued with
several significant lines of inquiry including DNA and other
friends at work, mobile phone and cell tower analysis and
officers spent hours decipheringRomany and Cockney Ryman slang,
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including encrypted messages about cars which spoiler that
was code for gold bars. Eventually, on the 6th of
November 2023, the CPS authorised charges against four
of the men for the theft. The men appeared at Oxford Crown
Court in February 2025, and during a trial estimated to last
roughly 4 weeks, we learned moreabout the gang response
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responsible for the Golden Toilet heist.
And I'm gonna tell you more about them.
So Michael Jones had conducted the recce, even going so far as
to buy Palace membership and booking a loo visit.
You've got to admire his cheek. Well, it's also a bit stupid
though, isn't it? Yeah, same as the last.
Day membership in his name. Here's my name.
Here's my address. Yeah, yeah, photos were taken of
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the sculpture, its location, possible entry and exit routes.
But get this, he even took a toilet selfie.
What a douche. Then there was Fred Doe and Bora
Gukuk, I don't know how to say his name but I like the sound of
that. They were both charged with one
count of conspiracy to convert or transfer criminal property,
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namely gold, which they denied. But let me tell you now about
and this is the biggie, the so-called mastermind of this
Joby. Joby, that word, it's such a
Scotch word. So it's usually like this.
A joby makes me feel. Sick.
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So his name was James or Jimmy Sheen and he is a man with a
long rap sheet. Like long rap sheet.
And I'm going to try and get my head around the timeline
because, man, he's been a busy boy.
Was it an Andrex Long? That's what I had in my head.
Or was it just? Puppy just running away, that
that is his criminal. Yeah, his criminal history.
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I love dogs. I love that too.
So Jimmy, who was already serving a sentence.
So get this, he was serving a sentence for a violent shooting.
He was out on licence when he orchestrated the bog job.
What is going on in these gaols that people don't care if they
get sent back? Just let me let, let me go with
this one. Because he is, yeah.
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He just couldn't keep his hands clean.
Basically him and his associatesas part of numerous Ocgs.
So that's a organised crime group.
That's what they call them. That's like the mafia and stuff.
That's what they, I don't know if they call them that in
America, but certainly. In well, not necessarily the
mafia, it's any group. So it could be like gangs and
things like that as well. Yeah.
Any collective collection of people, yeah, that are
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committing crime together, I think it is, yeah.
OCG's line of duty. Is that a programme?
Are you for real? Well, you don't know Line of
Duty. Where did we find you?
It's I, I can't even. I only watch the real stuff
really, and Dexter I. Only watch the wheel stuff,
you're bonkers. Anyway they were that or they
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are responsible for more than £5,000,000 in criminal profits
with crimes including. So they did a whole They did
like 12 months where they went around blowing up cash machines
and robbing them. Oh they were stealing posh farm
kit including tractors and stuff.
There was a heist at Newmarket Racecourse Museum where they
stole a load of solid silver andgold trophies.
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You've been there. I have been there.
I've been there. So I went.
Why did you call? I don't, I don't know why I
went. I think I was trying to go
Suffolk, but that went, I went back to my roots.
I went Devon and it's not in Devon, it's in Suffolk.
So I went to Newmarket Racecourse when my friend Amanda
from school, she was my one of my besties at school.
She was training to be a jockey.Oh, wow.
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And she scored really highly in her exams and everything got
through, everything got offered a place.
But she was homesick and she hadstuff going on at home and so
she didn't go. But she was amazing.
Was she little? Yeah, very petite, Very, very
petite. And she's now got a daughter
who, when I see pictures on Facebook, I'm.
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I have to check that it's not anold photo because they just
others. They are this little
doppelganger. Absolutely.
Her daughter looks so much like her it's crazy.
But yeah, so they've broken intothe museum.
Anyway, I was gonna make it. I'm partial to a pun.
I was gonna make a joke about the journey from petty crime to
potty crime and, you know, very much intended pun.
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But honestly, I read about this guy in the previous crimes and
petty. Calling them petty would just be
disrespectful. Disrespectful to his victims.
These men wreaked havoc. Ohh so the funds over now.
All the funny pans. Fans.
No, not, not quite. There's still gonna be some, but
I still. Think of any toilet pans.
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I think I fit them pretty much all in.
You might have to go back and listen to catch them.
So a little back story about theshooting that I mentioned.
OK, so it was in 2000 and nine, 2009, sorry, involving Jimmy and
his brother John. Both men from the travelling
community had a turbulent history that led to an eruption
of violence. OK.
It began years before that as well.
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So in 2006, John Sheen was in a relationship.
So this John, his is Jimmy's brother, OK was in a
relationship with a woman named Dora.
And that same year both John andJimmy were sentenced to 5 1/2
years in prison for conspiracy to steal motor vehicles.
So while they were serving time,Dora moved on and in 2008 she
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married a man named George Reed.But by the end of that year,
with the Sheens now out of prison because again, they only
did a half sentence, John and Dora rekindled their
relationship behind George's back and were now embroiled in
an adulterous affair. OK.
And naturally, really. This caused some serious tension
between the less than savoury characters and.
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Things came to a head on the 1stof December in 2009 when Jimmy
and George had a violent run in at petrol station and they ended
up ramming each other's cars. Then followed heating, heated
phone calls and exchanges between the Reeds and the Sheens
and the two families arranged tosettle things later that day.
Mono a Mono OK. Before that meeting, however,
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the Sheen brothers travelled to Doncaster to acquire firearms
and possibly a little muscle. Ohh no.
Can you spell premeditation? You're just a really creepy
face. Yeah, you went scared.
So at around 9:30 that evening, the rival families met, but the
confrontation quickly escalated with the reeds retreating.
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So I wonder if they're like, oh crap, they're packing, you know,
they got guns now. And a high speed chase ensued.
So this was through. And one family chasing the other
family. You mean not?
Yes, at least Chase. Yeah, the Reeds were being.
So they fled because I think they hadn't realised there was
going to be. Guns.
I thought it was hand to hand. And so they fled.
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Oh. Somebody gets killed with that's
not involved with the Sheens in pursuit.
So this was through Henley Rd inCoventry, which was an otherwise
quiet residential St. The Sheens were in a Range
Rover, the reeds in an Audi A8, and reportedly doing speeds of
between 50 and 90 mph the residential street.
At some point the Sheens opened fire and forensics would later
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glean that at least seven shots were fired into the Reed's Audi
from distances of just like between just two and 10 metres.
So that's good, pretty close to high speed as well.
So at some point, a little Toyota Aygo driven by Cindy
Chung became caught in the crossfire and sandwiched between
the two rival vehicles. Oh my God.
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And the Sheens peppered Chung's little car with shotgun pellets,
which injured Miss Chung and herpassenger, Lee Healey.
And honestly, it's just sheer fluke that somebody wasn't
killed and this was a pathetic and pointless.
Why would you do that? You know, that vehicle's got
nothing to do with it, unless you thought, oh, they've set
something up, but it was never meant to end and out.
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Honestly, I think it was just the sheer speed and the the rage
that they were in. That's what it seems like.
It just seems like it was all just very quick and.
Reasoning wasn't involved at all.
Reasoning at all. Luckily they did both survive
and her passenger, but they bothhad to undergo surgery to have
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shrapnel removed. And poor Miss Chung.
She has to live with pellets in her face for the rest of her
life because their removal posestoo great a risk of causing
permanent damage or paralysis. And the.
PTSD. Yeah, yeah.
And there was loads of talk on from her about nightmares and
flashbacks and things like that and awful.
Absolutely. And they were literally in the
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wrong place at the wrong time. And a bit nothing happened over
it. So the Sheens were both
sentenced actually. Oh for the firearms offences.
They were sentenced to 14 years.The Reeds got away with it,
which I'm surprised that they didn't get charged for
something. The duration of the Sheen
sentences were reduced by 20% because they pled guilty 5 weeks
before the trial date and because the men had previous
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convictions for dishonesty but none for violence.
That's why reduction was accepted.
However, the judge said firearmsillicitly held mean custody.
Firearms used at at least seven times mean longer custody,
firearms used in a residential St means yet longer custody, and
firearms used in injuring the innocent mean yet longer
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custody. The Sheens then appealed their
sentence, but the appeal was refused.
That was in 2011. That makes me sick.
I know we know he's going to come out because we know he's
done this potty robbery. After serving just part of the
sentence in custody in 2017, Jimmy Sheen was released on
licence. And you might know, but on
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licence release is a system in the UK where prisoners are let
out early but they remain under strict conditions.
So these conditions might include regular probation, check
INS, curfews, limits on travel, a ban on contacting certain
people and obviously being caught in breach of any of these
conditions. You're straight back to gaol.
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Do not pass code, do not collect£200 and I think it's like
parole in the USA. It is, however we don't have
enough people in the police to actually police that, so it's
absolute bullshit. I know it's like when people are
released on bail. Who enforces nobody?
The restrictions, who I know it's.
Nobody. And then the other thing is, Oh
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my God, things keep going out ofmy head.
She's having a perimenopausal brain fart.
I am. And it was really good.
I know it was really good. Wait a minute.
Hang on. We might have to cut a bit here.
Well, I quickly think, yeah. So there's not the people to
actually police these people that are right on on parole.
And it really bugs me. Like they'll get a certain
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sentence and then it's like, oh,you were you had good behaviour.
Well, yeah, because I can't get guns in here and shoot people I
don't like. So yeah, it must seem like I've
got good behaviour. And that was the other thing I
was going to say. You said they had no violence in
their past. I'm sorry, but you don't go from
no violence to guns. Yeah.
So. I think it was more they had no
violent conviction. Yeah, they've never been caught.
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Yeah. And when you see the scale of
what he's been up to in the timewhen he was out on licence,
there is no formation or anything.
I mean, they wouldn't have even been allowed under probation
laws. They wouldn't have been allowed
to be together, the two brothers, because you're not
allowed to be. With criminals.
So Jimmy was caught eventually and recalled to prison in June
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2020 and in 2022 he was sentenced to 17 years for his
involvement with the OCG. So that was for the tractor
theft, the cash machine robberies and Newmarket
racecourse heist. But they didn't know yet he'd
done the toilets. I think that he was one of the
suspects I spoke about but they nobody had been arrested, nobody
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had been charged yet. And a little nugget of
information about those other OCG related crimes.
So after that trial at Oxford Crown Court, a judge ruled that
Sheen had personally made upwardof £900,000 from those crimes,
but was ordered to pay back justa quid.
So just one shiny British pound.That's there's no punishment.
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No, because where does where's that money go?
Because these people are money oriented, that's why they do
everything. So take the money off.
Them, yeah. And at this point as well, I
think his brother's out and about.
So surely the family are just benefit from all that revenue
from crime? Yep.
Which you're not allowed. You're not allowed to benefit
from criminal activities. Yep.
So back to the main event. How long would James Sheen and
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his band of toilet tear aways bepunished for stealing America?
And as I mentioned, so after finally being charged in 2023,
the trial began in February 2025.
So this is all quite recent, this stuff.
The verdicts were as follows. James Sheen pleaded guilty to 1
count each of burglary, conspiracy to transfer criminal
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property and transferring criminal property.
He was sentenced to four years. Four years was added to his
already existing catalogue of. And he doesn't care.
He. Doesn't Michael Jones he so he
was the one that went and did the selfie.
He was found guilty by a jury. So.
So James Sheen was in prison already.
He'd been recalled by this point.
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So he was actually, he pled guilty expecting a short
sentence again, which is what heseems to do.
He seems to plead guilty to get this reduction.
The rest let it go to trial. So Michael Jones found guilty by
trial of 1 count of burglary. He was sentenced to two years
and three months. Fred Doe was found guilty by a
jury of 1 count of conspiracy totransfer criminal property.
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He got a suspended sentence and Bora Gurkuk found not guilty by
a jury and acquitted. I know this one wasn't a violent
crime, but it's a crime. We should have the three.
Strikes rule and it doesn't matter what you get caught on.
But also, if they're not willingto return the thing they've
stolen or give an explanation asto where it is, but then because
those three went not guilty, they're not going to cough up I.
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Just, I mean, I honestly don't really care what they got for
that crime. It's hearing about all the other
stuff in the background that they're doing and they just
don't give a shit. And the fact that they were let
out of prison to do it, Yeah. Yeah.
So the court heard Sheen had tried to shift the gold just
days after the heist, referring to 20 kilogrammes worth of gold
as cars and sending. And that's what I said was gold
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bars and sending photos of wads of cash with a message reading
520,000 ha ha ha. But that's OK because he paid
back a #. Victoria, you're being really
over the top about this. He left his DNA on the
sledgehammer used to dislodge the toilet as well.
What a sloppy mistake. I wanna be.
Sledgehammer. Sorry a little bit, Peter.
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Why don't you go sorry? That's all about sex, isn't it?
That. That, yeah, sledgehammers is
Wang, isn't it? I think so.
That's what of course he's goingto call it a sledgehammer.
He's not going to call it like afork.
If it's a fork, you've got an issue like that's like an
octopus growing off him. Half an octopus.
(36:08):
This must be underwater love. Ohh God.
So there's lots of tidbits of information on this case and all
a bit drawn out, but ultimately it seems Thames Valley did put
together. So sorry, Thames Valley Police
did put together a solid case and they flushed out the crims.
And as if this crime couldn't get any weirder, a recent
article on the 17th of June fromthe ever reliable Yahoo reported
(36:33):
that a shiny gold loo has been returned to Blenheim Palace,
this time under close guard. But don't be fooled folks, it
looks more like a knockoff from Team U than a solid gold
original. And I think it's the PR stunt.
It's definitely not the original.
I've looked at the photos. I don't understand why people
would want to go and sit on a top like I don't get that.
(36:55):
A toilet that's been shared by so many people.
Yeah, it's like that. Was it Tracy Emmon?
Is that the name of that artist who did the unmade bed?
Oh yeah, that's not. Art.
If it is, you could see that if all the time in my bedroom.
Well, do you remember the personthat stuck the banana?
Yeah, I did that with Becky's son when I was because Becky's
(37:16):
into art and stuff. And I was looking after Oliver,
her youngest. And we sell a taped a banana to
her kitchen cabinet and I sent her a picture of him with his
artwork. And then he and I sent her a
picture a few minutes later of him eating his artwork.
Edible artwork. That's that's where your money's
at. I know we'll probably never know
what happened to this solid goldtoilet.
(37:39):
Smelted, sold, still have her somewhere glimmering.
I ignore one of her little puns and she just pulls silly faces.
So you fake. Laughed up.
I fake laughed. I think it's out there
shimmering in somebody's fancy en suite, shrouded in a fluffy
lilac toilet seat cover. That's what I'd put on it
(38:01):
anyway. And have one of those ladies
that sits over the toilet roll. You know, like the crinoline
lady. Yeah, but I just can't with all
this. I wouldn't.
No. Anyway, one thing.
We've got castles, we've got like in the UK, we've got so
much history and people want to go and sit on a toilet.
Something I've just thought as well, 2019, weren't we sort of
(38:22):
still in the midst of lockdown and COVID and stuff and they're
going into a toilet that's been shared by that many people.
I can't, I honestly can't remember when COVID was it not
2020 lockdown I think Well, I I can't remember.
I don't know. Anyway, one thing we know is
that. Let me get my puns out, would
you? One thing we know is that crime
(38:43):
almost always leaves a paper trail.
I hope you enjoyed this episode and whilst it is, or has been
hopefully a little bit more light hearted than usual, I'm
still very firm in my opinion that there is no such thing as a
victimless crime and if you break the law you're probably
going to get caught. And if you're planning on
stealing a toilet, don't be surprised when things go down
(39:03):
the pan. Oh, that she was.
Any more puns? I have nothing.
Would you like? To sit and contemplate for a
while. No, I did also because the
timeline of all his crimes, Jimmy Sheen's crimes were quite
complicated because all the timeI'm thinking, but he was in
prison. No, he wasn't.
He'd been released when he did this next crime, in this next
(39:25):
crime, this. And so I have written a little
list, like a little breakdown, which I'll put on the comments
and stuff in the Facebook pages and things like that.
Sounds good. But yeah, what a Dick.
Yeah, what a douche. Yeah, what a douche.
That was informative. I got really angry.
She's just thrown her paperwork away broke.
(39:46):
I just found it quite It makes me quite angry that crime
obviously does pay for some people and our system of
incarceration is obviously not working.
When I read that he had to pay back a quid, I'm just.
That's a slap in the face. I don't understand how.
That it doesn't mean anything, that doesn't make him stop and
think, oh, I won't do this again.
But. Also why aren't they being
(40:07):
forced to pay back that money? Could go to policing.
It could go to. Community School.
It could be put to good use which would help people rather
than. And it's not just a pain though,
because every single time he goes to gaol, he's using
taxpayers money as well. Like, you know, so he's not just
stealing. The fact that he keeps doing
(40:29):
these things means he he's stealing from us every single
time. Well, that breakdown, I think I
looked from around 2001 to present day and those were only
the known crimes. You know what I mean?
It's and also I remember, so my dad used to work at prison and
one of the guys, one of the inmates there was from the
(40:51):
travelling community. He got a call from his dad and
his dad's caravan had been robbed.
Oh gosh, OK. And like his dad was really
crossed because they'd taken 12 grand cash or something like
that. This kid turned around and said
to my dad, it's OK though, they didn't get the gold.
Oh wow, OK, it's like the 12. Grand was nothing, apparently it
was just a drop in the ocean. It was nothing if.
(41:13):
Anybody has 12 grand they don't mind losing, they can give it to
me. Yeah.
Along with stray cats and dogs. Well, that was yeah.
It was really interesting. It's just it's not as light
hearted when you dig. But yeah, the case.
Is what I mean. Nothing ever is.
There's no such thing as a victimless crime.
There really isn't somebody's effect.
And actually, even those I felt sorry for the security guards
(41:33):
because they would have. I'm sure there would have been
questions asked of them. Yeah, but if those security
guards had got involved earlier,those guys wouldn't have been
against beating them up now. So.
And nobody, I'm sorry, but nobody's life is worth trying to
stop somebody steal a toilet, let alone anything else.
I'm still surprised they took a VW Golf with them thinking that
would be, well they they're theyhad an Isuzu as well.
(41:55):
No, but aren't they one of them?There's a TDI or an Sxi or
something. Golf or speedy if.
I wasn't thinking of the speed, I was thinking of the axles when
they put this weight of toilet in.
What's 98 kilogrammes in stones?Oh, I'm just trying to work out
if it's like the equivalent of aperson.
So it'd just be like having a fourth person, I suppose.
Maybe that's why they had two cars, so they could all get away
(42:17):
and take. It all I assumed that the Isuzu
was to ram the gates and force their way in through the gate,
but I don't know. I don't know.
So there's a video of it, there's CCTV you.
Said there was five guys, didn'tyou?
So most cars, it would be a tight squeeze for five guys as
well. Burgers.
I was thinking about that. The whole Five Guys things I
thought was mainly potato related for some reason.
(42:39):
They do good burgers, they do burgers and chips, but actually
they're so expensive it's not worth it.
Go to go to go to spoons, get your wings.
Sorry, we're completely off on attention now.
We are So, yeah. Have you got anything else
today? Don't.
Think so. Well, I was just going to add on
the end or. Throat, you do.
I was just going to add on the end that the mushroom case has
(43:00):
been come to our verdict and it is guilty.
So Erin Patterson has been foundguilty, but the sentencing
hasn't happened. Yet No.
But did you hear what she did? She served her own beef
Wellington on a different coloured plate so she could
identify her own and not poison herself accidentally.
I know what if I had been in herposition, I would have put it on
the other colour plate and then my brain would have said but did
(43:22):
you do it right? Did you do it?
Right anyway, but I wouldn't have lived to tell the tale I.
Wouldn't have eaten anything. No.
Well, I wouldn't poison anybody anyway.
So thank you very much. You're welcome.
And. Next time is going to be, I'm
afraid to say, back to gruesome.Oh well.
I'm. For me, sorry gems, next one I
have no clue. My next case.
(43:45):
Is no spoilers. No, I'm not going to give you a
spoiler. I've swapped it for.
So the case I was going to do last time I switched for the
Ellen Halbert case, I'm switching it again.
I'm keeping that one in my back pocket.
And my next one is going to makepeople fit in one of two camps
as to what they think. And that's all I'm really going
(44:05):
to say that I don't think it's clean cut.
OK, So thank you for listening. Bye.
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