How To Break Free From Family Expectations And Boldly Pursue Your Dreams with Roger Wolfson

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Robyn Cohen (00:38):
Hello, wonderful community.
I'm so happy to welcome you backto our enchanted gathering
space, the Daily Joyridepodcast.
I'm Robyn Cohen, and today weget to embark on a journey
filled with remarkable intrigue,expertise, and inspiration.
with none other than the Dynamoscreenwriter, television writer,

(00:59):
professor, and political speechwriter, Roger Wolfson, the
breadth of his experience inshow business and politics,
combined with his spiritualimmersion and beautiful heart,
stands as a beacon of hope andinspiration that we're just
going to bathe in today.
I'm really seeing now more thanever how much the world needs

(01:20):
the light that you have insideof you to shine.
And Roger is the kind of guidethat actually ignites other
people to a degree that ensurestheir unique gifts will see the
light of day, You'll want toshare this with everyone you
know.
So gather up your friends, yourloved ones, and let's immerse
ourselves into a conversation ofevolution and inspired living

(01:43):
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(02:25):
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It's all in the show notes andbe part of something that's
going to light up your lifebrighter than ever before.
Speaking of blazing creativefire, that is what this episode
is.
So let's dive in with theCharisma King himself, Roger

(02:48):
Wolfson.
Here we go.
Hello, hello, and welcome backto the daily joyride podcast.
I'm so excited.
I'm actually already I'm alreadyemotional.
What's new?
I have a friend for Wow.
I think it's almost threedecades that I've known you.
Roger Wolfson is on the showtoday, and I am gonna read an

(03:11):
official bio about Roger whichis, it's sort of mind blowing,
but like, if I was just sort ofimpromptu coming up with this
bio about who Roger is, it wouldtake the entire Episode like it
would literally be like here'sRoger and some of the things
that he's done in the world andthen our time would be up.

(03:33):
but in general, Roger is one ofmy best friends I've known him
since my teens, literally.
I met him in between, I think,my freshman and sophomore year
at Juilliard And Roger, when Imet him, was working on Capitol
Hill, was practicing law, Youhad actually majored in theater
at one point back in the day andthen you were in politics and

(03:56):
working in the Senate and onCapitol Hill and a lawyer And
then you were getting anotherdegree in creative writing, and
you were at Johns Hopkins, andthen you were moving out to
Hollywood, and then you were onfive of the biggest smash hit
television shows on the face ofthe planet.
In addition to writing moviesand doing all the things that

(04:18):
you do on the left coast, you'vecontinued to be, in the world of
politics and helping, publicfigures and speech writers and
former presidents and it'samazing.
It's a panoply of, uh, Areasthat you've been moving and
shaking in Roger and it's mindblowing.
Here's what AI had to say aboutyou.

(04:40):
This is what, this

Roger (04:41):
is,

this

Roger (04:42):
is what, this is why, I'm just scared of my AI.
Go ahead.
Okay, here's what

Here's what the robots are saying about Roger
Wolfson.
Okay, folks, so Roger Wolfson isa visionary.
That's already all true.
I think they've nailed it.
They've nailed it already.
whose career spans televisionwriting, law, education, and

(05:12):
politics.
Raised in New Haven,Connecticut, Roger's passion for
storytelling and justice led himto earn a B.
A.
in theater from Vassar College,where my dear Aunt June went, an
M.
A.
in writing from Johns HopkinsUniversity, and a J.
D.
from the University ofPennsylvania Law School.

(05:35):
His diverse career includeswriting for notable TV series
like Law Order, SVU, and TheCloser, Fantasy Date earned
Keira Sedgwick her first Emmynomination.
This is all true so far.
This is not fake news.
This is all true.
In the political arena, Rogerserved as a legislative

(05:58):
assistant and speechwriter forSenator John Kerry, contributing
to significant legislations,including the first bill in
Congress to outlaw cop killerbullets.

Roger (06:11):
Wow.

Yeah, they're on point.
These robots know what they'retalking about.
As an educator, he has taughtadvanced screenwriting courses
at Johns Hopkins University,mentoring the next generation of
writers.
Today, we're going to get toexplore Rogers.
Remarkable journey.

(06:32):
And also discuss how he bridgesthe gap between the worlds of
storytelling, law, and publicservice to create such a
meaningful impact.
So, I think they, I think theyreally told the truth about who
you are.
I mean, they, really just toldthe truth.

(06:53):
put the bones out there.
there's so much that we couldtalk about that would flesh out,
your, your political adventures,the world of your screenwriting,
your TV shows, your theaterbackground.
I mean, we have a podcast foreach area of your life, Roger.
But I think to start out, whatI'm hearing from, from my

(07:15):
students and a lot of thepeople, the creatives and non
creatives who might be listeningin today.
There are a lot of people outthere in the world that, like
you, have so many, you're,you're multi passionate human
beings.
I mean there's any number ofthings that you could put
yourself into fully and, enjoydoing and thrive in those areas.

(07:42):
And, you know, I have peoplecome to me that are, let's say,
not actors, right?
And they're working in jobs thatthey, anywhere from tolerate to
hate.
And they're interested in,joining the field of arts and
crafts and they're ready totake, you know, the next leap to

(08:03):
come to Hollywood, to go to NewYork and try their hand at
something that they're reallywildly enthusiastic about,
excited about, and they're alsoterrified to do.
So.
Just off the bat, how did you gofrom the world in which you were
swimming in, in Washington D.
C.

(08:23):
and in law, to, this is, reallythis is going to be a one
question, one answer that takesup the whole podcast, but, can
you share for people who areinterested in making huge career
moves like you did.
how you did that or whatsupported you in doing that, how

(08:44):
you got there, how you managedto literally catapult yourself
into an entirely new realmprofessionally.

Roger (08:52):
of

course, what's, yeah.
And what's one thing or a coupleof things that people could do
to follow that lead.

Roger (09:00):
Well, of course, I'd be happy to do so.
And I just want to start bythanking you for having me and
tell everybody who is in youraudience.
Uh, that I really had one of thegreat benefits of my life is
knowing Robyn Candace Cohen forGod, like almost 30 years now,
you know, it's just beenremarkable to grow up with you.

(09:21):
Um, and I'll tell you the storybecause the story, my story
might on some level bemotivational for some people,
but I think in terms of thelessons learned.
It's probably that might be themore helpful portion of it, but
I would say as a word of prefacethat one of the reasons that I
felt comfortable coming out herewas because I knew Robyn Candace

(09:42):
Cohen, and you'd already comeout here before me.
So you had a big role in that.
And you remember the very firsttime I came out to Los Angeles
to scope it out, I hung out withyou, and you introduced me to
Deborah Kahn and Lori Schneide,who's now Rabbi Shapiro.
Um, and it really, and DeborahKahn now has The Diplomat on the
air, and was a writer for TheWest Wing, and she helped give
me guidance on my first WestWing script.

(10:04):
So Robyn, you played a reallyvery important role in my life,
and I think that's part of thelessons learned, which is sort
of section two of my answer.
How, uh, what, what does it taketo get out here?
And what does it take to getestablished?
And part of it is finding peoplewho are here, having
relationships with them, andasking them questions.
Uh, and which is something Robynmodels very well.

(10:26):
So in terms of my actual story,I, uh, I came to Los Angeles
late because really my, myfamily, I mean, who I love very
much, uh, but my family heavilyinfluenced me and steered me
away from drama.
Um, Robyn, I don't know, I'm notsure if you know, but when I was
11 years old, I was offered a, amajor role at the Yale Repertory
Theater, uh, as a kid and myparents didn't let me take it.

(10:51):
And then I ended up kind ofaimless in high school because I
wasn't, I hadn't been encouragedto do what I love to do when I
underperformed in high school.
And it wasn't until I got tocollege where I majored in drama
that I suddenly became thisoverachiever because I think
it's very important for us andfor our children and for our
families, not that you and Ihave kids yet, but to remember

(11:13):
that a happy child is aneffective child.
And if you let someone followtheir passions, they're probably
more likely to excel at whateverthey do.
And so I think that's a goodlesson for all of us.
Um, I ended up, uh, going to,uh, Vassar, majoring in drama,
doing very well.
And then my parents bribed me togo to law school.

(11:34):
I wanted to go to Juilliard,like you did Robyn, and or Yale
drama school.
And I applied to both of them,but then I got into Penn law
first.
And my parents said, if you goto Penn, we'll pay for it.
If you go to drama school, wewon't.
So I decided to get my free lawdegree and then go to drama
school.
But after three years, of lawschool, my acting skills have

(11:57):
atrophied somewhat.
And I applied to Juilliard andYale, and that was the only,
those are the only two auditionsI ever went out on.
And I made like a callback orsomething to Juilliard.
Um, Yale, I don't think theyhave one, but I didn't get into
either of them.
And that was discouraging enoughfor me, for me that I decided,
okay, I'll just be a writer.
I applied to Brown to get my PhDin creative writing and got in.

(12:18):
And then my parents said, if youdon't practice law, we're not
going to pay back your lawloans.
So once again, I was kept from,and I, but I really want to be
clear about this.
I'm not some victim and myparents aren't some monsters.
I got that.
If I really wanted it, like if Iwanted as badly as like, look,
we look at Robyn Cohen here.
This woman won the Juilliardprize at Juilliard for being the

(12:41):
most outstanding student there.
You could have had a spectacularcareer in dance if you wanted
it.
Um, you could have had perhapsthe only guaranteed career in
dance someone can get, but youwanted to act and you didn't
care and you just did it.
I wanted to act or write and Iapparently didn't care enough to
push through, push past myparents resistance and the

(13:03):
resistance of the world.
And so I ended up practicinglaw, civil rights.
And then I went down and workedin Washington DC writing law.
And I was counsel or chiefcounsel or legislative assistant
and speechwriter to foursenators in a row, two of them
simultaneously, Ted Kennedy andPaul Wellstone.
And then, as you mentionedearlier, I got my master's
degree in creative writing whileI was working in the Senate

(13:23):
because I knew that But eventhough I loved what I was doing,
I wasn't doing what I loved.
And even though what I did wasimportant and it was on the news
and it felt relevant, it wasn'tcreatively satisfying and I knew
that I didn't want to die withthe song still in me.
Got my master's degree, butstill I wouldn't have done it.
Um, I was already over 30 when,um, one of my, uh, because I had

(13:47):
a law firm on the side when, uh,Marilyn Haft, that's her name,
and she'd been the former, uh,Secretary, U.
S.
Envoy to the, uh, to the U.
N.
And she said, Roger, if you waitmuch longer, you're not gonna be
able to do it.
It was the most.
It was the most faithfulconversation I ever really had.
Um, and that's when I realized Ihad to get out there and that

(14:11):
combined with the death ofSenator Paul Wellstone.
So, Paul Wellstone was thecenter.
Well, I love the most.
Who is alive now.
I think he'd be president.
He would have.
He was the most remarkablepolitician I ever met and one of
the most remarkable human beingsI ever encountered.
And he was killed in a planecrash in 2002.
And it was a plane that I couldhave been on.

(14:31):
I don't, I'm not going topretend I had a ticket to it or
anything, but I traveled withhim and I, I cared about him and
I liked doing it and I'dactually helped recruit one of
the staffers who was on theplane with him when he died.
And she died as well.
Her name was Mary McEvoy.
So those combination of factorsfinally made me say, I have to

(14:52):
do this.
And I did it.
In probably somewhat, either youcan call it spectacular fashion,
or you can call it misguided,you can call it moronic, you
could call it adventurous.
It is what it is.
I sold all my possessions,including my condo in
Washington, D.
C.
I bought a 42 foot catamarannamed Kinship, and I sailed it
halfway around the world.

(15:12):
And I landed in Los Angeles byboat.
Which is part of the reason whycreated pun intended, a little
bit of a splash.
When I got here, um, I was I hadhad a good story and, uh, I
arrived in March of oh three andI was rep by CAA in April and I
was staffed in June.
So after all that feeling like,oh, I would never make a living

(15:33):
in a creative profession, ithappened for me very quickly.
Now, I applied in East Coastwork ethic to my writing.
The West Wing was on the air, soI was able to write a TV spec
about West Wing, which wasconsidered to be one of the
better TV specs.
for the West Wing that had everbeen written.
Um, I got good notes from DeboraCahn, from Mark Goffman.
These are both showrunners whoat the time were writing for,

(15:54):
uh, Sorkin.
And, uh, and then I, I wrote ashield, which, was just about,
you know, a law show, a copshow, a dirty cop show.
And I had no experience withthat show, but I wrote that
shield spec in two weeks.
And that was what made CAA thinkthis guy's the real deal.
And that's why they got mestaffed.
And David Shore, the creator of,um, The Good Doctor and House.

(16:18):
was my mentor on my very firstscript, uh, for a TV show called
Century City.
And then it just, you know,blossomed from there.
And I did write for five shows,uh, and then I started selling.
Um, I sold my first pilot, Ithink in 2006, within three
years of arriving here.
And it sold in a bidding warbetween five studios.
And it established me as a realplayer in the, in the TV

(16:41):
industry.
And since then I've sold 12 TVshows.
None of them, by the way, havemade it to the air, which is
another lesson for everybody outthere, which is that you, the
important thing to do is begood.
Uh, continue to develop yourcraft because then even if you
don't get the success that youwant, even if they didn't all
get ordered, I can still sellbecause the work product speaks

(17:05):
for itself.
No one reads my scripts andsays, Oh, I can understand why
that didn't make it to the air.
And they read my scripts andthey're like, why the hell did
that make it to the air?
And they want to buy more.
So that's cool.
And then last year, um, I soldmy first screenplay and that,
um, went beautifully.
And now there are Academy Awardwinning directors attached.
And so my TV, my feature careeris off to a rolling start, which

(17:29):
is maybe where, where I wouldhave have started 20 years ago.
So, I mean, there's so many, thewhole story of almost everybody
in Hollywood, unless you'vealready become a smash success.
is a story of perhaps mistakesmade, great things happening.
It's just a story.
And, uh, my story, I feel verygood about, you know, and I feel

(17:52):
good about what I've done.
I feel, I feel now that I'm abetter writer than I've ever
been.
I feel now that I'm a betterperson than I've ever been.
I think I'm more ready for mycloseup than ever before.
I think if I'd succeeded, ifthat first series had gone to
the air, I don't know.
Maybe I would have, maybe Iwould have self destructed.
You know, I certainly have, uh,made my share of, of people who

(18:15):
are conflicted about me andpeople who would kill for me.
And there's people in town whoreally love me and people in
town who don't.
That's also part of having a bigcareer.
Anyway, just rounding out thepolitical part, I, um, you know,
I didn't want to go back topolitics, but then Joe Lieberman
ran for president and John Kerryran for president and Elizabeth
Warren, who'd been my lawprofessor, ran for president and

(18:38):
Bernie Sanders, who was a menteeof Senator Wellstone, ran for
president.
And I ended up writing speechesfor all these people.
So I, um, and I was just, youknow, a speechwriter on the very
low level for the 2020 Bidencampaign.
And I was involved in the KamalaHarris.
Uh, campaign recently, which Iprefer not to talk about just

(19:00):
because it's too painful andtoo, too raw.
But for lessons learned, I thinkthat the three things I would
say are most important is honeyour craft, really hone it.
When Robyn, you're an example ofthat.
I've never seen anybody throwthemselves at their talent more
than you and continue to improveevery year.

(19:21):
Every performance I see you inand, um, I should give a plug
for your two performances thatare coming this weekend and next
weekend of, uh, What TheConstitution Means To Me, but
I've, you know, hone a craft.
The second is, uh, and this wasa lesson I wish I'd kind of
learned a little bit earlier,which is that networking is not

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your primary goal, but youreally want to be the guy or the
girl, the person who peoplereally enjoy working with.
And when I came to Los Angeles,I came with a Washington DC
mentality.
And my job was to get the billpassed.
I didn't care if anybody likedme.
Get the bill passed.
What mattered was the result.

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That's not true of Los Angeles.
What matters is the process, farmore than the result for most
people here, because it's acreative mentality.
And I think that there areprobably bridges I unnecessarily
burn, but also lifelongfriendships I've developed.
I, you know, it has beenultimately a success story.
Uh, but I think be the personthat people want to work with.

(20:26):
Be positive.
Be collaborative.
And the third, and perhaps themost important lesson of all,
is, for me at least, is todevelop an active spiritual
practice.
where you truly believe inyourself, you believe in your,
um, you believe the good thingsare coming.

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This is not a town forpessimists.
Now, that's not to say therearen't pessimists here and that
some of them aren't successful.
But, you know, I'm often askedwhat's the difference between
the East Coast and the Westbecause I have so much
experience in both.
And I often say that people saythat people in Los Angeles are
more beautiful than they are inNew York, although New York has

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its, or Washington.
I don't necessarily agree withit physically, but I agree with
it spiritually because I thinkthat people in Los Angeles by
and large came here to follow adream.
They came here to follow adream.
New York, you go there to makemoney.
Washington DC, you go there toeither have prestige or power or

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to change the world.
Los Angeles, you go therebecause you want to create.
And so I think the reason peopleare pretty here is because
they're glowing, whether they'resucceeding or failing they are
doing something that they knowthey are meant to do, and they
love it.
And that way the challengesbecome romantic, and the
failures become hopeful for thefuture, and the successes are

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nothing but sweet.

That is, that's like listening to the most.
Beautiful.
Orchestral.
Music.
Ever.
Thank you for that.
I'm so Aren't you just all like,knocked back by Roger's heart?

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Married with his fierceintelligence, wisdom, and
spiritual precision.
It's like this incrediblecombination of, to hear you
talk, those three things.
Hone your craft.
Do the thing.

(22:41):
Do the thing.
All the time, every day.
Why?
Because you love it.
I love what you said.
You know, you were doingsomething you loved, not what
you loved to do.
So getting connected with thatdeeply, you know, in the, in
sometimes it takes gettingreally quiet.

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Sometimes I find it takesgetting really quiet to be able
to hear the voice that is thatNorth Star saying, this is, This
is your calling.
It's okay.
Come on along.
And then you're talking about anattitude of sort of positive
expectation that people want towork with.

(23:25):
And I think it's true.
I think it's enthusiasm.
What is the honey to the bees?
I think it's people want energy.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, they buy it in bottles,pills, minerals, all kinds of
prescription and non.
Energy, right?
Like, on the daily, it seemsthat people are really wanting

(23:47):
to align themselves with someenergetic force, whether that be
artificial or from the naturalworld or with people.
But I love that because I thinkit's something that we step
over.

Roger (24:02):
I'll offer two.
Two refinements to that.
one is a literary reference andit goes, I I'm reminded when you
talk like that of a book byJames Michener called the
source, which is a beautifulbook about a dig in Jerusalem
where on the very first chapter,they go down 14 levels and find
14 different artifacts.

(24:23):
And then every successivechapter afterwards goes down to
those goes artifact by artifactand tells a story based that
that will at some point involveit.
And there was one point in thereand I forget the time period I'm
thinking it probably has, um,probably in the 1700s, when

(24:43):
there were three rabbis that arefollowed in this one chapter in
Israel, one of them was a greatintellect.
Somebody who was tremendous atpicking apart the, uh, the
Talmud and breaking down Jewishlaw.
The other was, I've forgottenwhat the other was, but it was
probably some sort of a leader.

(25:03):
I really don't know.
I don't remember.
But the third was a somewhatobese kind of Falstaffian
character who just loved God.
loved God and was always sohappy and was always just like,
look, we, you know, there, thereare Jewish people around the
world who don't get to pray.

(25:23):
We get to pray, we get to bepublic about our religion.
We get to be public.
What we love most, and franklyI'm saying this, you know, Jew
to Jew because I know we wereboth raised up Jewish, Jewish on
the East coast.
I haven't always seen that inJudaism.
Um, but I can recognize that inany craft.
It's the one that loves it.

(25:45):
That person gets promoted onsome level.
And if you look at it from aspiritual context and you, you
look at life as, let's say likea supermarket where everybody
has different jobs, which is thecashier that gets promoted to
assistant manager.
The one who's complaining abouthow hard the job is.
The one who loves checkingpeople out and talking to

(26:05):
customers are going down theaisle and it's just happy and
enjoying the state that they'realready in.
That's the one that getspromoted on a spiritual level.
I think that happens to us too.
The second thing I'll say isI've heard you say about honing
the craft, about working reallyhard.
And there's nothing wrong withinspired effort.
And I'm a big believer in it.
And I have grown as an artist bydoing so.

(26:27):
But I've also learned on aspiritual context that it is my
energy that creates my work.
More often than my effort.
Yes.
And I have learned how to stayin a place of a receptive mode
of just really believing thatthings are coming my way and I
don't have to hold them tightlyin my fist.

(26:47):
I can open my palm and let themland on, you know, and I think
that that attitude, I know whenI've started my day right, I
know when my spiritual practiceis firing on all cylinders, when
I'm naturally optimistic and I'mlooking forward to that next
email or phone call from whoeverit may be.
When I'm truly looking forwardto it, I know it's going to be

(27:09):
good news.
I know that, you know, when myfriend Robyn calls me, she's
going to be playing the, youknow, the Bee Gees in the
background, and we're going todance together.
Like, I know things are going tobe wonderful.
And I do believe that when wefocus on what we really want,
and people come to this townwith big, big wants, We're
either happy or sad depending onthe result that we're focusing

(27:33):
on.
If we're focusing on, I lovethis, I love this, I love this,
but it's never going to workout, or this person's not
calling, or that's not going tohappen, we're going to be sad.
But if we're focused on, I lovewhat I'm doing, and I just am
looking forward to hearing fromthis person, and I'm really
focusing on the result that Iwant.
Then we're going to be happy andwe're going to be helping make

(27:54):
that result happen.
And these are the great, andthese are the lessons I've
learned from this town fromlife.
And these are the lessons that Ipractice on a daily basis.
They're my daily joy ride.

Ah, what a roller coaster.
What a magnificent resplendentwild ride it is.
And hearing you speak aboutthese areas of life and the
refinements, it's all aspiritual practice.
Is what is coming through.

(28:30):
It's what you just shared is,yes, of course, the significance
of, you know, you got to get asyou did with the best teachers
and the best people that you canlearn and grow from, of course.
And get the practicals and thetools, but everything that you
just shared, it's all under theumbrella of where your mind is

(28:56):
set, where your heart iscentered, what your intention
is, you know, you're talkingabout receptivity, which I
believe is part of a spiritualpractice.
What, what do you do, Roger?
just to get a little bit deeperinto that, you do occur as,

(29:19):
first of all, you haven't agedin 30 years, which is alarming,
wonderful, a little frighteningto look at, but like, I just,
but

Roger (29:34):
you guys, Part of it was because I became a vegetarian at
your house some And by the way,I don't know, I'm maybe
exaggerating the years.
I don't know if it's 30.
We're not talking about years.
We don't talk about years onthis show.
We don't talk about dates on thecalendar.
We just say, yeah, I became veevery, for those of you on this
audience, I became a vegetarianat Robyn Candace Cohen's house.

(29:57):
Um, because her mother, Leslie,um, just happened to have some
cottage cheese on hand.
Because I was, I was studyingBuddhism at the time and the
Buddhist teacher that I wantedto study under only accepted
vegetarians.
This was before there was a wordvegan, at least not that I knew
of.
I'm a vegan now, but at the timeit was just vegetarian.
And I, and Leslie, Robyn'sabsolutely, if you think, if you

(30:20):
think Robyn's delicious, whichshe is, you also need to meet
Leslie and Heather and Max.
Thanks.
Uh, but Leslie offered me lunchand I said, you know, I've been
thinking about going vegetarian.
Do you happen to have any, uh,protein, uh, that isn't meat?
And she said, I've got somecottage cheese.
And I said, I'm a vegetarian.
And that was that.
So that's, that's why I haven'taged.

(30:43):
Uh, but in terms of the actualpractice, you know, I, and this
is an important one.
I want to read a poem to youraudience because I really think
that one of the great things isthat everybody in Los Angeles
has the title on some levelever, some level or another of
creator.

(31:03):
Yes.
That's great.
Yes.
Because everybody, every humanbeing, whether they're Los
Angeles or not, whateverprofession they're doing, is a
creator.
We're, we tend to be slightlymore conscious of it because of
our craft.
Um, but this is the poem.
It's by, uh, Jesse BellRittenhouse.

Wonderful.

Roger (31:24):
I bargained with life for a penny.
And life would pay no more.
However, I begged at eveningwhen I counted my scanty store.
For life is a just employer.
It gives you what you ask.
But once you have set the wages,why, you must bear the task.
I worked for menials higher,only to learn dismayed that any

(31:47):
wage I had asked of life Lifewould have paid.

Ask and it is given.

Roger (31:54):
Any wage I had asked of life, life would have paid.
And some versions of this onlinehave it life would have
willingly paid.
But the idea is that we set ourwages.
We set our wages with ourthoughts and our beliefs.
If we believe this is as far asI'm gonna go and that's why I'm
just aiming for that.
I'm aiming for a good solid midlevel of this.

(32:16):
So be it.
You know, I really believe thatalmost every thought that we
have that comes out of our headhas a so be it afterward.
If I believe that I can achievewhat I want to achieve, so be
it.
If I believe that I can't, so beit.
And I think that, look, this isnot to say that we succeed

(32:37):
without talent, although we can,because plenty of people do.
It's not to say we succeedwithout effort, because we
don't.
Plenty of people do.
I think this is to say to be thebest version of yourselves, dear
audience.
To be the best version and themost effective version of

(32:58):
yourself and to be on your ownteam.
The idea is to really believethat you're going to get what
you want.
Believe in your own worthiness.
Believe in your own abilities.
Believe that if luck isinvolved, you're one of the
lucky ones.

(33:19):
I also think that this, that anyof this should be what I would
call spiritual bypass or shallowor that it's just be like, oh,
you know, I've got big wide eyesand I think everything is,
everything's always perfect.
No, no, it's, it's much deeperpractice than that.
It's about really seeing thatthere are many different sides
of reality and focusing on thesides of reality, of reality,

(33:41):
something that's true, focusingon that part that's good.
You know, most likely if you'relistening to this broadcast,
you've met Robyn, you've alreadybegun networking, you're here
because you want to be in this,in this industry, you've already
probably made some sort offundamental choice to come here,
to study here.
To get to know people you'vealready done of the things that

(34:01):
quote unquote need to be done.
You've done a whole list ofthem.
Why not?
You know, and yet have you gotas many credits to your name on
IMDb as you want or not?
I don't know.
Maybe you have, maybe youhaven't.
But if you're focusing on whatit's lacking, you're just going
to create more lack.
And if you're focusing on whatyou've already done and

(34:22):
accomplished, what you'realready doing, you're going to
have more of that.
You know, the way I phrase it isI was, I was feeling sickly this
morning, a little bit of a cold.
And I remembered that when Ihave a cold, there are 4
trillion cells in my body.
Maybe a couple hundred thousandaren't functioning up to par.
But almost 4 trillion are! Whywouldn't, why would I focus on

(34:43):
the couple hundred thousand thataren't, that aren't doing so
good?
When I've got 4 trillion to pickup, they're doing wonderful,
magnificent little things.
And by so doing, by focusing onthose positive, I feel better, I
feel happier and the cold isgoing to go away faster.
I believe it.
Practice it.
I'll bet a lot of you probablybelieve it.
For those of you who don't,please feel free to reach out to

(35:05):
me at any point and I will tryand debate you or I will just
love you and let.You believewhat you want.

That's brilliant.
I'm going to pause one second.
My.
video, because I think it mighthelp my audio.
I'm going to pause

Roger (35:21):
Yeah, you're, you are now just a headshot for me, but it's
a lovely headshot.

I'm going to be a headshot just for a moment.

Roger (35:26):
I'll show the audience what my headshot is too, so we
can play.
Okay, good.
Go ahead.

Let's play headshots.
We're playing the headshot game.
Oh, it's so

Roger (35:32):
good.
Headshot is me giving a speechat the National Animal Rights
Day, Uh, event in WestHollywood.
And just, you know, Robyn, thishappens on every zoom type talk
show and podcast.
There's always some sort of a,of a technical issue.
Nobody, nobody cares.

It's so true.
Nobody cares.
What about, what about whenwe're in a place?
Cause I'm so, keyed in witheverything you're sharing, like.
You get what you ask for, you'regoing to bring in what you're
paying attention to, what you'refocused on, and if that's lack
and what you don't have, there'sgoing to be more lack in what

(36:10):
you don't have.
And if you're continuing to stayfocused on the beautiful vision
of your life and your, yourhome, your relationships, your
career, and just enjoyingthinking about that It's a
magnetic field.

(36:31):
So we're going to attract that,which we are sort of where we're
vibing.
And if the vibe is, you know,just what you shared today about
like, I'm sick, but how manytrillions of cells are well and
working miraculously beyond whatwe can even start to fathom in
the human body.

Roger (36:50):
Right.

So I love that.
what about when we, I'll justplain speak, how do we get out
of the dumps so that we can evenstart believing?
Like, what is the really,really, when we are, we're,
we'll call it heartbroken.
when we're feeling cracked openwhen we're feeling like it's
just It has become, you know,it's the rejection, whether

(37:14):
it's, you know, therelationship, the you've, you've
been passed on again, you hadthe job, and then they fired you
while you were on set, youfinally got the part or your
best friend, you know, your bestenemy got the part, you know,
when we're in those places, whatdo you do?
How do we recover so that we caneven get into a place where we

(37:37):
can start to believe In what ispossible because I think that's
it's such a it's like the hurdlelike I think most people we get
to a place and we're in afeeling tone and you know, we're
anywhere from you know,frustrated to rageful to sad to
grief stricken and it's likeYeah, how do I, how do I get

(38:00):
myself over the wall?
So do you have a particularpractice or something that you
do that keeps you in a frame ofmind where you can stay open and
receptive and receiving thedelights of the universe that
you're enjoying thinking about?
But there are days where thatseems impossible for people like
it's impossible.

(38:21):
So what, what do we need to tellourselves?
Or do you tell yourself, youknow, that, that.
It puts you in a place where themiracles can just keep coming.

Roger (38:33):
Well, Robyn, um, you know, you'll probably recognize
some of my principles and I'm,going to guess that many of your
audience members might alsorecognize them as the law of
attraction.
And I've studied, uh, EstherHicks.
And Abraham Hicks, but alsoNeville Goddard and some of the
precursors to both of them.
I'm not a big fan of The Secret.

(38:53):
so that's not where I go to formy information.
but I do believe that this worksand the best advice I can give
you to that would come fromEsther Hicks.
From Abraham Hicks.
The idea being that when we arenegative, when we're down, that
is the wrong time to try andproblem solve.

(39:14):
It's the wrong time to try andcheer yourself up, or try to
manifest, or try to focus onyour desired outcomes.
First, you need to get your, Ineed to get myself to a happy
place.
And so, the idea is to focus onthe general rather than the
specific.
How?
The general being, I look outthe window.

(39:36):
Which right now, I have the sunglaring in my eyes right now, so
it's both wonderful and a littlebit bright and warm.
I'll look outside and I'll justlook at something, I'll look at
something beautiful.
I'll look for a bird, or I'lllook for a tree.
Or, if I'm lying in bed, I'llenjoy the feeling of my sheets.
Or, if I'm not, I'll justliterally hug myself and feel

(39:58):
how soft my own skin is.
Um, and just go to a gentleplace.
Think how magnificent life is.
Think how magnificent it is tobreathe.
There are times where I've beendown that, or not feeling well,
that my breath was the one thingI could focus on that I knew was
there for me.

(40:19):
And it's a wonderful thing tobreathe, to, um, inhale
inspiration.

Okay, so we were just talking about the actual
practices that Roger deploys inthe moment of the heartbreak, in
the moment when it feels likeyour world is crashing down upon
you.
And you were talking aboutbefore the interweb went out

(40:48):
completely, my computer shutdown, which by the way, has
never happened before, which bythe way, my computer has never
in my entire life of having thiscomputer just turned off for no
reason.
It happened twice with Roger andI'm thinking it's the
electricity in the air that

Roger (41:06):
was

generated and it just, it exploded into
cyberspace oblivion withexcitement.
So, what he was sharing aboutwas the, the practice of in
those moments of despair,possibly just noticing something
that brings you maybe even ageneral sense of of peace, a

(41:33):
general sense of comfort.
He was talking about the breath,taking an inhale, the
inspiration of the breath, thelife force, and just paying
attention to that.
And you were also talking aboutRoger.
letting the sun rays hit yourface, like just letting the
sunbeams warm your skin.

(41:55):
And I, and I'm just going totalk turkey for a minute here.
Before I even got onto thepodcast, two things, and they
have to do with the gems thatyou've been dropping.
You had said, you know, there'ssomething about positive
expectation that things canchange.
and will go well.
And you just sort of lodge thatas a cornerstone of your belief.

(42:19):
And these days, I have apractice where I wake up in the
morning and I say to myself,something mystical, mystical,
magical is going to happentoday.

Roger (42:33):
Oh, nice.
And

In a turn of events, since I've been
deploying this sort of messageinvite to the universe, it has
in fact happened, and today hasbeen no exception.
It has been on the court withyou.
Before I came into this meeting,I was working with one of my

(42:55):
coaches.
I got some feedback that in themoment I made it mean something
that I'm not gonna mince words,but it decimated my soul,
crying, tears, my totally adysregulated central nervous
system.
And then I go to turn on mycomputer, which is lagging.

(43:18):
And now I have to text Rogerbecause I'm running late.
Can we start five minutes later?
Sure, no problem.
But the computer is asdysregulated as it's ever been.
A literal, a literal mirror andmatch to what is going on
internally.
And, uh, and then we get on thecall and Roger starts sharing.

(43:40):
Ha, ha, ha.
You start sharing.
From what you know.
From your soul.
to be true about life and livingand there is a path forward.

(44:04):
There is grace and there isspace for all of us.
And there is, we can dismantlethese lies of scarcity and
separation and come togethersometimes by simply being.
letting the sun in.
So we're in the middle of theinterview.

(44:24):
I'm still calibratingtechnically I'm calibrating the
computer and I'm also stitchingmy heart back together through
the receptivity of your words.
And the intention behind yourwords, Roger, because it is what
you say, but intention createseffect, as you know, it's true

(44:47):
in storytelling, it's true in,in our life stories.
And so I allowed myself toliterally take the learnings
from what you were sharing.
And at that moment when you weredivulging your practices.
The computer went outcompletely.
We got off the call.

(45:09):
And then the first miraculousthing happened.
It has never happened that ifyou are in the middle of
recording a session, let's sayon zoom to your computer, and
you do not stop the recording,it will not download.
It will not convert To adownloaded file on your

(45:30):
computer, meaning our interview100 percent of the time is lost
because I never hit the stopbutton.
So for the first time in thehistory of my technological life
on Zoom, which has been vast,and I've been on Zoom and made
recordings for the last fiveyears straight, it converted and

(45:54):
downloaded onto my computer,though the meeting had cut out,
the computer had turned off, andI never had a chance to save it.
Okay, so miracle number one.
So then I'm thinking to myself,okay, something, something has
shifted, something has shifted,And that mystical, miraculous
thing that I set out to havehappen today, there it is, ask

(46:17):
and it is given.
And then I said, I'm going tokeep following.
I'm going to keep following downthe Roger Wolfson road for just
a minute here.
And I went into the kitchen andI was shaken up because I
thought we had lost our wholething.

Roger (46:33):
Uh huh.

and I stood there in my kitchen.
I got some nourishing food.
And then I looked over acrossthe room and there was a chair
and it was like it was invitingme to come and sit in this chair
and the sun was setting like inthe seat of this chair.
So I walked over the chair and Isat in the sun and I closed my

(46:54):
eyes and just breathed.
And that's what That's what I'vebeen doing since our call was
somehow cancelled and thenbrought back to life.
That's what I did.
And I, um, I'm free.

Roger (47:16):
That's beautiful.

So I want to thank you for what you provide, Roger,
to me as a friend over thecourse of three decades and, you
know, to the world at large.
It's, um, I mean, we can't everreally know the legacy, like,
but with you in particular,because you're, what you put out
there not only goes out intobroadcast television and Movie

(47:41):
theaters and it fills literallystadiums and stadiums of people
just in that medium, millions ofpeople, right?
But, the people that you fill upthat you're also on the daily in
contact with and sharing withthe legacy of that and the
reverberations of that.
it's such a gift.
Your, your life is such ablessing in that way, in that

(48:05):
Talmudic way that we strive forit to be.
Your life is such a blessing toso many people.
And I, and I so thank you.
And I know you have to get onwith your life.
And this zoom call kind of tookall afternoon in some ways, and
much, much longer than wethought it would.
But what do you want to say ifyou had the world stage.

(48:28):
If you had the eight billionplus listening in, and if you
had 15 minutes, you're the mosteloquent and dynamic and
interesting, public speaker thatI've ever known.
It's remarkable.
Roger can get up at a He can getup anywhere.
It can be a farm in Minnesota.

(48:49):
Or it can be on a Broadwaystage.
It can be in front of the WhiteHouse.
It doesn't matter where it canbe at my birthday party.
Roger has the ability, to standup and say something that
whoever's lucky enough to bethere listening will never
forget.
Okay.
So that's just a littlebackground about no pressure, no

(49:12):
pressure.
But if you had the world stageRoger for 15 minutes, what would
you give the world right now?
What do you want the world toknow?

Roger (49:21):
Well, thank you for that.
And thank you for all your kindwords.
Uh, I would say that all of usalways have the attention of the
world.
We just don't always know it.
A Course In Miracles, which youand I have taken, given our
attention to over the years,says when I am healed, I am not
healed alone.

(49:44):
What we do for ourselves, we dofor the entire world.
What I'm talking about here,which I can thank Los Angeles
and the entertainment industryfor giving me is a practice
rewiring our neural pathways.
So that we can really bepositive so that we can focus on
the positive and by thereforefeel good and then by feeling

(50:07):
good, therefore, attract goodthings to us is a lifelong goal.
Sometimes it happens quickly forsome people are just blessed
with it.
Other people have to climb andclaw and grapple to get there.
But I think that we reallylearned by being creators.
Everybody on this call is acreator.

(50:29):
We learned that we are creatingour own experience here.
And when we are truly positive,we don't even need this stage in
order to impact people.
Because our energy is alreadyout there healing them.
When I'm healed, I'm not healedalone.
And I think that it's abeautiful exercise and it has

(50:52):
affected my writing and has mademy writing better.
It has made every interaction Ihave with people better to
simply look at the good.
You know, and it's been aroundin humankind since, you know,
for many, many generations forall of humankind, it's been
there.
Um, Dale Carnegie, you wrote abook about the power of positive

(51:12):
thinking, like in the twenties.
I think it was.
None of these precepts havechanged.
You know, your, your brother wasclearly at times in his life a
proponent of this.
A blessed memory, but that's oneof the reasons why he's still
with us.
He's still with you and me insuch a profound way because we
remember his smile.

(51:33):
We remember the joy he foundfrom Shakespeare.
We don't just remember that hewas a Shakespearean scholar.

Yeah.

Roger (51:39):
We remember that he loved Shakespeare.
Yeah.
Doing what he loved.
And so his love survives.

Yeah, and and his his joy.
It's this podcast is a loveletter to Adam.
It's it's my gift to anyonewho's interested in listening
in.
But you know, it was his promptbefore he passed that I just be
happy.

(52:11):
He knew it.
He knew it from his bones.
He knew it from his body thatonly had a very short time to
live.
He knew it from source that it,that's, that was the whole gig.
And when he invited me to justbe happy, I was at a loss.

(52:35):
I was at a real loss

Roger (52:36):
you were losing him

right

Roger (52:39):
for the for those in your audience right now who are
questioning it and who areprobably also experienced in Los
Angeles people who use what iscalled spiritual bypass and are
just happy without reason ortheir happiness feels detached
from their actual experience.
That is not what I'm suggestingto you and your friends and your

(53:00):
students and your followers.
I'm not suggesting that.
It's the Martin Luther King kindof love.
Martin Luther King Jr.
talks about love.
He says love is not an easything.
Love is a practice.
Love is a strong thing.
Well, so is being positive.
Yes.
Being positive takes strength.

Yes.
It does

Roger (53:20):
It isn't.
It is not about ignoringanything.
It's about focusing on thepositive in everything that you
pay attention to.

Yeah.

Roger (53:28):
There's so much to be, to pay attention to.
Even when we're talking aboutyour brother, he was a light in
this world.
His death was a tragedy.
But when I think about him, Idon't think about the loss.
I think about the gifts.

Ah, yeah.
The joy.
His joie de vivre.

Roger (53:44):
making.
I'm not, I'm not ignoring thathe existed.
I'm not pretending he didn't dieand that he didn't die and leave
his children behind and leavehis career behind and leave his
beloved family behind.
The most loving sisters abrother has ever known.
But We could focus on thecrucifixion, or we could focus
on the resurrection.

Ah!

Roger (54:05):
And a lot of Christianity, as we know, the
problem with a lot ofChristianity is when they focus
on the crucifixion.

And,

Roger (54:11):
you know, if you're sticking with the myth, or the
reality that it is Jesus,there's so much to celebrate
about this man, that doesn'tinvolve just his being tortured
on a cross.
On a hot afternoon and into theevening, you know, reborn three
days later, we can focus onthere is something good there

(54:34):
without ignoring the bad.
You're just focusing on thepositive aspect of it.
And our job here.
That's our job to do it.
And yes, we're going to havethings that are going to come up
that may or may not make ushappy, but we get to choose.
You know, and just sort of thelast thing I'll say about this
for the topic is on the dayafter election day when I had
been working for the Harriscampaign and I'd just gotten

(54:55):
back from Michigan, uh, couldhave been a very unhappy day.
But I, I just focused on whatthe good work that we had done,
the fact that the, uh, thatyeah, we switch right now to a
different mode of conversation.
100 percent pleasant.
But if we're going to accomplishwhat we need to accomplish, if

(55:18):
we're going to fight backagainst Trump and turn, turn
this around in two years, andthen in four, elect a new
president, we need ourresources.
We need to be able to bask inthe sunlight, and remember the
warmth, and put the smile backon our face, and that's the
party that attracts more peopleto it, not the angry, bitter,
depressed party.

Yeah.
So is that sort of, is that howwe mitigate falling into the
traps of, so for, for peoplethat are on their way, that
really do love, this art andcraft or love, whatever it is
that they're doing and wantingto really do something
significant in their field.

(55:58):
what are the, like, what aresome of the traps or a trap that
you might have in the pastfallen into that you could warn
them about?
In terms of while they're goingfor their dreams, what can you
warn them about

Roger (56:12):
thinking that there isn't enough time to do what you need
to do, thinking that you'rebehind, thinking that other
better, thinking that moreshould have happened by now,
thinking that it's not goingwell, you know, all these things
are resistant thoughts.
You know, we're alive, we'realive, and we're here and we're

(56:35):
pursuing the career that welove.
We're, you know, look, look atyou.
I mean, one of the, one of thegreat lessons I learned from
Robyn Cohen is Remember when youcame back from shooting, um,
the, the, uh, from shooting amovie and I picked you up at the
airport and you had just, thiswas one of the biggest breaks of
your career.
And it was a huge movie.

The Life Aquatic.
I was in Italy.
I just got back from Italy, Romethat day.

Roger (57:00):
The experience you had involved every famous person
imaginable and all of themloving you and adoring you.
And it was this, such a careerhighlight.
And I asked you where I wasdriving you and you said to
acting class.
Yeah,

because it was a Thursday and that's when our
acting class met Thursdaynights.
You picked me up Thursday at LAXfrom Italy and it was, it was
about 5 p.
m.
and it was going to work outjust perfectly because it was
going to take us two hours fromLAX to get to North Hollywood.
And um, I do remember that.
And thank you for getting methere.

(57:40):
Get yourself

Roger (57:40):
up on stage.
A writer writes, you know, Imean, I've typically get paid
for what I write, but notalways.

Yeah.

Roger (57:49):
But the universe compensates me for writing, you
know, I, I, I enjoy it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaking again of Debora Cahn,there was a time when I was
writing for Law Order SVU andshe was still writing for the
West Wing and we had dinner.
Um, for something and I wascomplaining about how things
were going at work and this,that, the other thing.
And she looked at me and shesaid, Roger, we do this because

(58:11):
it's fun.
And I was like, Oh my God, whatan incredible wisdom.
We do this because it's fun.
Have fun doing it.
That's what I'm talking about.
And it is a practice.
It takes consistency and ittakes time.
And you know, but the last thingI guess I would say right now is
that if you need a condition inorder to be happy.

(58:35):
you will neither be happy norget the condition.
But if you're happy, you will behappy and get the condition.

You heard it here from one Roger Wolfson.
Wow.
Thank you for this treasurechest of gems.
Drops of wisdom.
I love the name of yourorganization.
I knew this was going to bewonderful.
Please have me back.
I will.
Well, it's imperative.

Roger (59:05):
I would keep

you for another four and a half hours right now,
but I know you have, you haveyour evening plans ahead of you.
Thank you for, for sharing whatyou did.
And, and so, um, magically, butalso so practically.
It's such a winning combination.
Like yes, it's woo.
And yes, I'm a woo woo person.

(59:27):
I am, but it's also so groundedin something that even in the
span of time that we've beenconnected in cyberspace, I was
able to put into play and itmade a profound difference.
difference.
And the course of my life willnever be the same, nor will the
course of this podcast, if youbelieve in the the butterfly
effect, you know, but that thishappened in the way that it did

(59:48):
unfold is truly miraculous.
So thank you for being at thesource of all of that.
And for being a yes.
And For being the light and thevibrancy and the joy that you
speak about.
And also for honoring that itis.
It takes something.

(01:00:09):
It takes something to practicethis and, you know, not sort of
downplaying that our defaultsettings would have us watching
Netflix on the couch all dayevery day.
And that's just, it's not good,bad, wrong, or otherwise, but we
can actually use our minds totalk to our brains to change

(01:00:33):
everything, um, and it takessomething and it's worth it.
Listen, you pay a price.
you pay a price for turning yourthoughts to positive things.
You pay a price for turning yourthoughts away from Netflix to
thoughts of happiness and easeand equanimity.

(01:00:53):
But for paying that price, youget to have real joy.
You might not see the entireseason, right?
You might not see the entire,you know.
Season of 24, but you get to behappy.

Roger (01:01:11):
Well, I would also say that, um, for anybody, if
anybody who's listening, who hasdoubts, some of this, just take
a look at your life.
If you don't look at your lifeand see that when you've been in
a good place, good things havehappened.
And when you've been in a darkplace, dark things have
happened.
I don't know what to say.
Maybe you're the one exception.

(01:01:33):
But when I've been in a goodplace, good things happen.
When I'm in a negative place,negative things happen.
And I've learned enough.
The Course in Miracles also saysI get to learn through joy or
through pain.
Yeah.
I've done a lot of learning inmy life through pain.

Robyn Cohen (01:01:45):
Yeah.

Roger (01:01:46):
Uh, you know something, given the choice, I'll learn
through joy instead.

Hear, hear, hear, hear.
So beautiful.
And that just took my breathaway, how simply that was put.
But the profundity of Have youever noticed that when things
went well, you were kind offlying high.
Have you ever noticed that?

(01:02:11):
Like that's undeniable.
That's actually, that'ssomething that I can't argue
with that.
I mean, I don't want to, but Ican't argue with that.

Roger (01:02:19):
Remember when the science, I mean, you probably
remember when the science cameout, we used to think that I
smile because I'm happy, but nowwe've learned that we're happy
because we smile.
We've got the whole thingbackwards.
Yes.
I was at my most powerless inlife when I was.
Um, when I was dependent onoutside experiences to tell me

(01:02:42):
how to feel.
Yeah.
you know, I mean, am I perfect?
No, of course not.
But am I at the place now whereby and large I choose how to
feel and therefore externalitiesline up in my favor by and
large?
Yeah, I'm there.
Took time.
It took effort.

(01:03:03):
And anybody who wants to learnmore about this or wants
affirmation on this process,reach out to me through you.
and, uh, I'm delighted to havespent this time with you, Robyn.
I look forward to much,

much more.
And if people want to messageyou or reach out to you where
can they find you outside of me?
For some reason, my phone'sturned off.
I'm doing a podcast.
Where can people find you?

Roger (01:03:28):
I have a website, rogerwolfson.
com.
I think this is a way to accessme through that.

Wonderful.
Wonderful.
Oh, Roger.
I'm going to hug my computer.
It's really a hug for you.
Even though my computer thinksI'm in a relationship with it
because I'm always hugging it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
More to come.
We're going to call this, um,part one.

Roger (01:03:52):
Fantastic.

Of a part infinite series.

Roger (01:03:55):
I can't wait for more.

The R and R show.
Okay.
Thank you so much, Roger.
Thank you for taking the extratime.
You're a rock star and achampion.
So appreciate you.
Much, much love.
Be well.
And party on, as they say.
That's what they say.
Party on.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you.

(01:04:19):
Oh, wow, wow, wow.
Well, that was delectable Sopowerful.
Thank you, my cherished ones forjoining me in this creative
revolution and awakening.
Roger's enthusiasm and passionand dedication to fostering
platforms for shared insight andartistry and humanity.
It just knocks me back.

(01:04:41):
as we continue to explore thevast landscape of art and
spirit, remember that yourparticipation in this adventure,
lights the path for others.
So be sure to subscribe, leave areview, So that everyone can
find out about the show, andpartake in the daily joyride
journey, and become a member ofthis exhilarating community.

(01:05:02):
Let us weave a tapestry of loveand support, hand in hand, heart
to heart.
and don't forget my door,virtually speaking, is open
through February for you to joinmy upcoming acting classes
online.
Let's make this journey one ofever growing connection and
fulfillment.
Until we meet again, may yourpassions guide you and your

(01:05:23):
kindness lead the way.
Let's just go ahead andilluminate the world with our
collective spirit.
So stay safe, stay inspired, andas always, take the best care of
you so that you can go out andbe great for the people in your
life.
For now, sending you all mylove, always and in all the
ways, and can't wait to see youon the next Daily Joyride.

(01:05:47):
See you soon.

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