How T.V. Actor & Author Boise Thomas Practiced Rewriting His Story And Saved His Life

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by the amazing, Boise Thomas.
Hello, hello, and welcome backto the daily joyride.
I'm so excited.
We just had the best danceparty.
Boise Thomas is a dear friend ofmine for decades.
I clocked it.
It's, it's actually, It's twodecades pretty much on the nose

(03:06):
that I've known you, Boise.
He is an incredible human being,artist, magic maker,
transformational coach,colleague, creative sprite, and
um, just a dear and lovingfriend for most of the time that
I have been on The Left Coast.

(03:29):
So a little bit about BoiseThomas.
Boise is a multi hyphenate Hewas born and raised in New York
and found his way to Los Angelesvia England in 1997 after a
decade working in sports castingand adventure travel.

(03:50):
From 1999 to 2017, he fulfilledhis 20 year vision by becoming a
comic at the Comedy Store forseveral years, acted in 144 TV
commercials, count them, hosteda Discovery Channel series,

(04:11):
which we'll get back to andsigned with a big bodacious
agency and just to expand alittle bit on Boise's passion
for environmentalism and hosting13 episodes of Alter Eco on
Discovery's Planet Green TV,this was a show that was in fact
dedicated to sustainable livingand having a world that can work

(04:36):
and live and breathe foreveryone.
Speaking of which, Boise is asmentioned, a transformational
coach and a marriage counselor,integrating spiritual practices
with practical strategies,guiding individuals and couples
toward profound personal growth.

(04:58):
In 2017, he pulled ageographical, I love that.
He pulled a geographical,period, and traveled for two
years to write a book and selfpublished in 2020.
How is your heart?
How's Your Heart, really?
Not how is your heart, but how'syour heart?
A user's guide for building abetter humanity.

(05:21):
which is his personal, handillustrated manifesto for
healing from depression andsuicidal ideation.
Currently, Boise's highestexcitement is having gone
against the advice of others bywriting, producing, and acting
in his very first play.

(05:42):
Ha ha ha ha ha! E equals MCsquared.
Or do we call it E equals MC2?

Boise (05:52):
Squared.

I love it.
E equals MC squared.
There it is.
For those of you watching on theYouTube channel, he just put up
beautiful artwork, which you dideverything because he does
everything.
This is Einstein meets CharlieChaplin.
Einstein's

Boise (06:07):
plural.

Einstein's plural, his wife as well, meets Charlie
Chaplin a fascinating true storyof the relationship between
these two iconic or three iconichumans.
He is currently in rewrites andpre production to put the play
up on both coasts in Los Angelesand back east.

(06:31):
So join us as we explore Boise'smultifaceted career, his
dedication to fostering a betterhumanity and the harmonious
blend of his artistic talentswith his commitment to personal
and environmental well being.
And I just want to, I pulled upone quote that was in Voyage LA

(06:54):
that I just loved that youshared, Boise, if I may.
In Boise's words, uh, What issuccess?
This was the prompt.
What is success or successfulfor you?
His reply,"Success is practicingsomething long enough, others
ask you to teach them how to doit.

(07:17):
So success for me is becoming ateacher.
What the student quicklyrealizes is the teacher became a
master only through thepractice...
and failures.
They mastered something notbecause they are special or
talented, but because they nevergave up."

Boise (07:41):
I'm so glad you, I'm so glad you shared that quote.
I forgot about that.
That was so many years ago.
And my word for 2024 waspractice.

Oh,

Boise (07:51):
that could

be the title of this episode, that could be the
whole episode just about thisquote and what that

Boise (07:58):
like, if I have a say or a vote, I practice.

Ah, okay, you do have a say and a vote so you
win.
Um, because the guests, theybreak the tie.
So if I went the right, so, um,Oh, Boise, there's so, there's
so much to it and to you,

Boise (08:20):
this is a three hour podcast, right?
It really

is.
I mean, it's a three hourpodcast, which we're going to
likely do in three parts, butfor today, you know, a lot of
the people listening are.
In the arts or they're creativesor non creatives or creatively
inclined and I'm wondering sortof how, how your life blends

(08:46):
together in the way that it doesto be such a mover and shaker
and all these areas helping somany so many different kinds of
people and sharing the work thatyou do with so many kinds of
people.
What is it at the root?
What is it at the root that youwant to share with these people

(09:07):
from all walks of life, whetherthey're your acting students or
you're teaching them about, youknow, how to successfully end a
marriage?
What is it that ultimatelyyou're wanting to provide for
people?

Boise (09:21):
Well, that's a great question.
And thanks for having me as aguest today.

I'm so excited.

Boise (09:29):
I think the, I think for me it's, um, you know, I just,
I, I just wrote something thatI, that I shared, um, about
writing and how important Ithink having a journal is.
I was never a diary kid.
I, I always threw out mynotebooks when I was done with
them.
I never kept them and I nevershared what I wrote.
But recently, The last seven,eight years, I've noticed that,

(09:53):
you know, writing is powerfuland I don't mean like typing on
a keyboard.
I mean, actually like, here's mycurrent notebook.
You can see like, what's notused yet.
Right?
...Is that little strip like a,like when you tear into the
earth, you can see all thelayers of the history of
everything.
So right now I said, I haveabout 30 pages left, which is
perfect because I want to finishthis journal by the time the

(10:15):
year's over.
I start my journal on the backend.
I have all this stuff about theplay.
And on the front end is all thisstuff about my life.
So I start my personal journalfrom, from the front.
And then whatever I'm workingon, I flip it over and start
from the back so that I don'thave to have more than one
journal with me.
And it, uh, it segregates thetwo worlds, the world of my

(10:36):
creativity and the world of myday to day affairs.
So I would say right now, youknow, to kind of merge in this,
this notion of practice,success.
And your question, if you couldposit it again, was: what

is it that you ultimately at the root of all of
this creativity and generosityon your part, what do you want
to give people?

Boise (10:59):
Yeah, I think, I think, uh, I think I want to give
people, um, the experience ofYou know, discovering, like,
what is it you're here to share,like, what is your talent,
right?
And, and it, when I was a littlekid, my idol was Shel
Silverstein.

I just

Boise (11:19):
wanted to grow up and I wanted to be Shel Silverstein.
Like some people want to belistening.

That's, that's, Uh, A Light On In The Attic.
That is, uh, Where The SidewalkEnds.
Yes.

Boise (11:30):
Giving tree.
Giving tree magical.
The Missing Piece, right.
And the thing that people don'tknow about Shel Silverstein,
because he was an adult thatwrote for children.
He was Uncle Shelby when hewrote for kids, but as an adult,
he was the most frequentedperson at the Playboy mansion.
He lived on a boat.
In San Francisco, you know, hisboat looked like a, look like

(11:53):
the equivalent of like BarbaraEden's I Dream of Jeannie, her
little bottle.
Imagine that for like a bachelorthat lived on a boat in San
Francisco back in the seventies.
I never

knew that.
I never knew any of that.

Boise (12:04):
He also penned most of, if not, uh, the majority of the
songs by Dr.
Hook and The Medicine Show,which was a band from the
seventies who wrote likeSylvia's Mother, Sharing the
Night Together, you know, allthose love songs and ballads.
And it's kind of predates yachtrock.
It was like Dr.
Hook was one of my favoritebands.
My dad used to play them on theeight track and his pickup

(12:25):
truck.
Um, and if you kids don't knowwhat an eight track or a pickup
truck is, just ask AI and it'llspit out a really cool.
Dodge with a, with a littleeight track in there.
Um, and, uh, you know, ShelSilverstein was a Renaissance
man.
You know, he won a Grammy.
He won an Emmy.
Um, never won a Tony, never wonan Oscar, but he was really just

(12:48):
expressing himself in the worldthrough art, through
illustrations, through music,through the written word, um,
played guitar, just loved toshare art in the world.
And when I was eight years old,I remember telling my mom, she
got me a copy of"Where thesidewalk Ends" in 1977.
I still have the copy to thisday and it's got my mom passed

(13:08):
in March, but she wrote in it,you know, to me and my sister,
Merry Christmas.
And, uh, it's in pencil, it's inher cursive, and it's dated at
the top, Christmas 1977.
And I told my mom after I gotthat, I said, I want to be a
Renaissance man when I grew up.
She asked me, what do you wantto be when you grow up?
I said, I want to be aRenaissance man.
She goes, do you know what aRenaissance man is?

(13:28):
And I had to stop because Ididn't know what one was.
I went, well, it seems likesomeone who could do anything
they want.
And could do everything theywant.
She said, that's a pretty gooddefinition of a Renaissance man.
So while everyone doesn't striveto be an artist, an illustrator,
an author, a playwright, anactor, a TV show host, a

(13:50):
counselor, somebody who'sinterested in how's your heart,
you know, not everybody has thatpath, but my path since I was a
very young boy, I just wanted toexpress art in every possible
way and really be able to do allthe things.
So I want people to find outwhat is their gift.
What's the thing inside of them.
You know, you and I are verysteeped in Joseph Campbell's

(14:11):
hero's journey in the 17 beatsof the monomyth and everybody
goes through something.
And on the other side of that,something they fulfill the
quest, right?
Frodo throws the ring in Mordor.
Um, Alice in Wonderland, she,you know, she gets the, I was
going to go Wizard of Oz, but Iwas just about to conflate
Wizard of Oz and Alice, butbasically Dorothy, Alice, pick
your favorite hero.
Holy grail,

Monty Python, you know.

Boise (14:33):
Exactly.
At the end of that journey, thehero goes to share the gift that
they got with the village orwith the, with their community.
And ultimately that's what I,what I want, for people to
discover their unique gift that,that they have to share with
their community.

That is so beautiful because at the end of
the day, I think it's rightthere for people or it's
something hidden in plain sight,but we all want to explore and
explode what we came here to do.
What do you tell people thatdon't experience, in their day

(15:11):
in, day out lives, they don'thave the experience that there's
any access to that.
Most, a lot of people that wemeet don't know that anything
like that is even available.
So how would you help someonethat's like, Hey, Boise, I want
to be you when I grow up.
I also wanted to be aRenaissance man.
You, I mean, the, the, what yougenerate humanly and creatively

(15:35):
for the planet is not, it's,It's unmatched in, in terms of
people that I know, what you putout there for people in the
array of ways and means and inpowerful and profound and
impactful ways in all of theseforms of creativity and
transformation and yourgenerosity with that.
I don't know anyone who does itas much as you or as well as

(15:58):
you.
What are you telling people thatdon't feel like...Hmm it's not
me.
I can't go out and just make aplay.
I can't go out and write a book.
I cannot, there's no way, youdon't, you don't know me, you
don't know who I am, you don'tknow my situation.
What do you, how do you provideaccess for people that don't see

(16:18):
it, don't see that that'spossible?

Boise (16:20):
Yeah, I would say, you know, everything's a remix.
So none of us are coming up withsomething original, right?
We were dancing before theepisode here, uh, rocking out to
a song from 1983.
Shout out to Stetson Sonic.
And, uh, and it was a remix ofit, but it's still the same
song.
It just has a little moderntwist on it.
So I would tell people to, um,you know, go back into your past

(16:44):
and look at when you were like13 or 8 or 5 and ask yourself,
what was inspiring me then?
Like now, if you just say, whatwas your influencer, people are
going to think like, Oh, theperson I watch on YouTube or the
big booty gal on Instagram orthe podcast that I listened to
to help me feel better about mychildhood.
That's not the kind ofinfluencer I'm talking about.

(17:05):
I'm talking about when you goback to when you were five or
eight or thirteen, kids todayexcluded, we weren't looking at
screens.
We were reading books.
We were listening to records ortapes or eight tracks.
In my case, we were listening toour teachers.
We were in school.
We had mentors.
We had coaches, after schoolprogram, art teacher, dance
teacher.

(17:26):
Like that was my life afterschool.
I didn't want to go home, bealone because I was a latchkey
kid.
Both my parents worked.
So I would go and findcommunities of things to do,
whether it was the rec center,whether it was after school
athletics, art club, whateverthat was.
Um, so I would say go back intoyour past and look at your
influences, your realinfluencers, your books, your

(17:47):
music, your movies, and yourmentors, and make a list of
those people.
And if there are people that youhad contact to, when I wrote
Shel Silverstein to say thankyou in April of 1999, finally, I
got the hit like, Oh, I'm goingto be 30.
My life's changing.
I'm out of my Saturn return, youknow, look it up, and I'm going

(18:08):
to write Shel Silverstein athank you letter.
By the time I did, he'd alreadydied.
He died in May of'99.
I missed it by like a month.
So write thank you notes to thereal life human beings that you
can get an address for.
And you know, everybody cansend, you know, Taylor Swift or,
or, uh, Justin Bieber, or, youknow, a president, a letter, but

(18:29):
send it to your guidancecounselor, send it to your
grandparents, send it to yourcoach in high school, send it to
your college professor, somebodywho knows you better than just
being a fan, right?
So I would, I would say that topeople because from going back
into your past, when you're fiveyears old, you're eight years
old, you're 13 year olds, evenwhen you're 21, your, your, your
mind is still malleable.

(18:50):
Our brains don't get donedeveloping till we're 24.
So those early years, the firsttwo decades of our life, we're
still discovering and learning.
We don't know who we are becausewe're not fully formed.
We're not fully cooked yet.
So go back and look at thethings that inspired you, the
things that lit you up, music,movies, mentors, and books.
And from those, I believe peoplefind what their gifts are.

(19:11):
And that's, that's a really funexploration.
It's one of my favorite thingsto do.
Good question.
Thanks.

Oh, I think that

Boise (19:19):
question was like set up like a softball, but that is my
favorite thing to do withpeople.

Oh, and there's so much gold in that.
Getting back to that.
You know, childlike, thechildlike joy and the passions
that we had for whatever wewanted to do.
And there was a moment, I'm surefor all of us, I don't know what

(19:45):
that moment was, but there was amoment when we believed we could
do it.
You know, there was a momentwhen we did believe we could do
it.
And so using that as a resource,because that's as part of you
as.
as much as part of you as anyother cells in your body that
that happened.
That there was a time when youwere like, I'm four years old
and I'm going full-tilt-boogieas I did.

(20:06):
Right.
Right.
And I'm just, you know, um, Ididn't have a, I didn't make a
choice.
I didn't make a choice aboutbeing, uh, in the arts.
It was kind of like, when didyou know you were a girl?
Like, when did you know you werea boy?
It just was always there.
Although there were when I, wehad tickets to, the Kennedy

(20:26):
center in Washington, DC, whichbrought in big Broadway national
tours.
And I was about six years oldand saw Guys and Dolls with
Nathan Lane.
It had just been on Broadway andit was at the Kennedy center.
And I, I remember not being ableto move out of my chair at the

(20:48):
end of the show.
I was like, I was like struckwith bolts of lightning so
powerful.
They were the beginning of thefire that was going to generate
my entire life.
I didn't know that at the time,but it was further imprinted
when my parents finally got meup out of the seat.
They're like, Do you want tomeet the actors?

(21:10):
And I was like, what are youtalking about?
And they're like, the actorsthat were in the play.
Are you, do you want to go sayhello?
And you know, you can get themto sign your program.
And I had no idea what they weretalking about because these
people did not seem like humanbeings to me.

(21:32):
They were some, they were,they're singing and dancing and
storytelling at the top of theirgame, at the height of their
field, Broadway, in the world oflive theater, musical theater,
and they led me to, um, down theHall of Nations, to the stage
door, and these women and menstarted pouring out and the

(21:57):
women had, um, stocking caps ontheir heads because they had
taken their wigs off.
So they had wig caps on, theywere wearing like, so they
looked like aliens with hugeeyelashes and makeup and jeans.
And I was like, They're people.
They're, what are they doingright now?
And my mom's like, they're goingto eat dinner because they have

(22:19):
another show to do at 8pm.
They're going to do it allagain.
I was like, what are you talkingabout?
And so it was in that moment Irealized that this was actually
something that people did fortheir lives.
Like, what do you want to bewhen you grow up?
We would be in elementary schooland we would have the doctor
visit or the lawyer or theteacher or the, or the carpenter
or the plumber.
What do you do?

(22:39):
How do you do it?
But this was no person,superhuman, uber Herculean
artist had ever dropped into myelementary school to be like,
it's career day.
Do you ever want to be onbroadway Like just hadn't
happened.
So it hadn't occurred to me.
And when it did, I.
I think that changed everything,um, as evidenced by sort of the

(23:00):
trajectory of my life after thatage and sort of the, the
serious, like in some ways itbecame serious.
That it was a moment of greatinspiration and phenomenal joy,
but something dug in and gotlodged in my psyche about, like,

(23:27):
if this was a job, there waswork to do.
So from a very young age, I was,like, pre-professional.
training programs thanprofessional training programs
while I was in high school.
I went to Juilliard, you know, Ikept the practice, Boise, it's
what you shared off the bat.
It was like, I realized that itwas the repetition that was

(23:50):
going to be the mother of theskill.
So I, I, I decided to go fulltilt boogie.
I don't know if I decided I justdid.
Um, and I, I wanted to askabout, because this means a lot
to, I think, a lot of people whoare, um, really looking to do
something meaningful, whether,um, It's in arts and crafts or

(24:14):
whatever their chosen vocationis, with everything that you do,
have done, are currently doingand creating, and with all the
joy, with all the inspiration,with all the help and resources
that you give to people on thedaily, day in, day out,
thousands.
I mean, it would fill, it wouldjust fill football stadiums of

(24:35):
people, the amount of souls thatyou have touched and continue
and with your book.
And I mean, it's my, thequestion is, Are you enjoying
it?
And if so, these incredibleaccomplishments and milestones,
how?
How, how do you, or do do you,do you make sure, or how do you

(24:59):
make sure that you actuallyenjoy the magic that occurs as
your life to anyone watching.

Boise (25:10):
That's really great.
You know, what comes up rightaway is, uh, you know, having
just done my first play, right?
In your beautiful introduction.
I, I wrote my first play.
I produced my first play and Iacted in my first play.
You know, I did TV and film and.
Stand up and improv and one manshows and all that stuff.
But I'd never been in anensemble with a cast.

(25:32):
I learned upstage, downstage.
You taught me"on the boards!"Last week when you're like, I'm
on the boards too.
And I came and saw your show.
You were six years old lastnight.
It was amazing.
You know, I saw the little girlthat didn't want to get out of
her chair at the Kennedy centerlast night, pumping her fist
and, you know, moving the logs.
And it was so inspiring.
Um, How it stays joyful for me,you know, there's two things.

(25:54):
One is, uh, I'm never satisfied,you know, there's the Martha
Graham to Agnes DeMille, right?
"There's only a queer divinedissatisfaction that keeps us
from marching, makes us morealive than the others," right?
So there's that piece, right?
And if you're not familiar withAgnes DeMille and, and, and, uh,
and, uh, And, and Martha Graham,you can just look up Bodhi in,

(26:15):
in a point break played by, um,Patrick Swayze, the late great.
And he says, uh, um, what do youwant to be like one of those
zombies in those metal coffinson the freeway, just driving to
and from their job, you know,the ex presidents are surfers
and they rob banks.
Right.
So it's the same energy of thatquote with Martha Graham as what
Swayze's character Bodhi issaying in point break.

(26:37):
Don't.
Don't let your soul buy intowhat the paper is selling.
You know, there, there's a lotof things you can do in the
world, but I don't know anybodywho's really wealthy with money.
Who's really happy.
And I think I learned that at ayoung age.
Yeah.
I mean, they'll tell you, Oh,I'm happy.
I can buy...
They're bored.

(26:58):
They're trapped and they feelguilty that they've won that
game.
And I believe that's a zero sumgame being, being financially.
wealthy, like stinking rich.
I'm talking like billionairerich.
I'd like to be rich.
I can handle that.
I'll give it all back.
I'll live.
I'll live simply.
I've always lived simply, but Ijust don't think that's the game

(27:18):
for me.
The game is keep my soul alive,keep feeding it.
And that's where my joy comesfrom, from trying big things
that I've never done, like doingthe play.
Now I'm more excited than everbecause now I got to figure out
I've written a good play, butnow I need to figure out how to
produce and put up a great play.
A play that wants to go toBroadway.

(27:40):
By the way, I just learned thatoff, off, off Broadway is three
blocks off Broadway.
So look, I'll take, I'll takethe basement of a Chinese
restaurant, four blocks offBroadway.
If that means we get to go beoff, off, off, off Broadway.
Right.
But the joy part that I wantedto also share is, you know,
working in theater, I realizedwhy I waited till the very end

to work in theater (28:01):
theater people, are challenging.
Their brains go faster than minedoes, and mine goes pretty fast,
but I've never met.
Yeah, that seems impossible.
But I mean, I can't, I can'thang theater people are too fast
for me and my brain goes reallyfast.
Maybe it's because I just turned55 and I'm slowing down a little

(28:22):
bit.
But the other thing is thepersonalities are really big.
And I had a challenge with oneof the personalities and in that
challenge, the way I stayedhappy was one of the nights I
was walking to the theaterbecause I put it up in my
hometown of Venice and I wasstaying up, you know, 10 minute
walk away, 11 minute walk awayfrom the theater.

(28:42):
Great to walk to the theater.
Look forward to doing that off,off, off, off Broadway or off
Broadway or on Broadway.
It doesn't matter.
Or in Scotland,

Scotland, which is off continent Broadway in
Scotland, the Edinburgh FringeFestival.
I've directed there.
I recommend it.
Just put your application in.
You will be in Scotland by nextsummer.
Thank you.
Okay,

Boise (29:01):
great.
All right.
Good.
Um, thank you.
Uh And I, I, I realized I wasunhappy going to the theater
because I, my idea, and I didn'thave a fantastical, you know,
imaginary delusional fantasyabout theater.
I had no idea what I was doing.
So it was all brand new.
It was totally fun, butchallenging personalities.

(29:24):
You know, I was walking to thetheater.
I really was sad.
I didn't want to be, I didn'twant to be there.
I was like, why am I not havinga joyful experience doing this
thing that I had to do?
Just like you said, I have to dothis.
Whatever these aliens are,that's what I have to do.
And I picked up the phone and Icalled a buddy of mine who's a
theater guy in New York City.

(29:45):
And I just talked to him forlike 10 minutes on the walk.
I said, I'm really struggling.
He said, okay.
And we put it in perspective,you know, that I spent$16,000 of
my own money to basically dowhat was a glorified table read
six workshop performances infront of 400 people total.
We had about 60, 70 people pershow.

(30:05):
And why would I allow myfeelings To get in the way of
this tremendous accomplishmentand this amazing experience I'm
getting of venturing out intothis brand new realm of
entertainment, which is theoriginal, the live theater,
break a leg, you know, footcandles, upstage, downstage,

(30:26):
project.
Like there's no other theaterother than the campfire that is
older than theater.
So I'm humbled.
I'm happy.
And I was supported.
By people who understood what Iwas going through.
And I turned the beat around andI, and by the time I got to the
theater on that 11 minute walk,I had sorted myself out to get

(30:48):
back in the joy.
And then I just didn't interactwith the people that were
triggering me, the people thatwere bothering me, the people
that were, I perceived as goingthrough something that made it
difficult for me to enjoy my ownexperience.
You know, I created the sandbox.
I brought the toys and I invitedthe people.
Why wouldn't I want to be theone having the most fun?

Gosh for those of us taking this in, what I just
got is, through whatever means,whether that's shoving it into
perspective, calling a friend toshed light on a new perspective,
like that, using your mind totalk to your brain is, it's so

(31:36):
powerful and sounds possible forpeople.
Like, let me put this intoperspective.
I mean, I think there are waysto do that...
on psychological, human,spiritual levels on the daily in
our meditation practices.
But that sounds, it's just, it'ssuch a brass tacks way to be

(31:56):
like, let me take a pause.
And before I start reacting, inthat pause, in that space
between stimulus and response, Ihave a choice.
And seeking a person, a place, atool, uh, you know, something

(32:16):
that you have in your handydandy notes section, just quotes
that you have for yourself thatyou read that are going to put
it into perspective again, youknow, I think that's great.
We can have a toolkit that doesjust that because I can hear how
that freed you up to enjoy thisprocess that you had earned.
You had earned all to have theright for all, all the joy in
the universe, you know, all thesunbeams and deserving of all

(32:38):
the, the beauty and the sunrays, and the applause, and the
admiration and all of it, so,Speaking of perspective and
putting things into it when wecan, you are, uh, you're such a
divine creature.
And one that when I think of Isimultaneously, I think of, um,

(33:04):
when I think of Boise, I thinkof a spiritual guide.
I think of a, a zen teacher,student, master.
I think of someone that isconnected to the energies that
are all around us, though theymay be hidden in plain sight.

(33:24):
I think they're all around us.
And I think of you, Boise, assomeone that is like actually
tapped in on a level that againis beyond anybody I know.
And, can you talk a little bitabout how your life is both
transformed and molded, how it'sshaped, how it's, how your

(33:49):
spiritual life and practice isyour life in all the things
you're doing and how we can geta taste of that and maybe look
to bring some of that world inwhich you move and delve and
shake and dance into our worlds?
How we can get access?

Boise (34:11):
You really do know me because this is what I love to
talk about and I'm going to usethe G word.
Okay, G O D.
And what that means for me isguide of divinity.
And if you look up the worddivinity in any dictionary,
whether it's Oxford or MerriamWebster or unabridged, your

(34:32):
favorite, your old, but anywhereyou find the word G O D, you'll
get interpretations that arereligious in nature or 2000
different faces that humanbeings have created to describe
that name that we choose to callthis divine ultimate what
Einstein called the cosmiccreator.
Okay.

(34:52):
He said there can only be oneCreator because to have a
personal God defies the laws ofphysics.
So he said, the more I studyscience, the more I believe in
God, but there can only be oneGod because having multiple gods
is in physics is impossible.
Only one thing can createeverything from nothing.

(35:15):
And that was what Einstein wasworking on at the end of his
life was the unified fieldtheory, which I believe he was
trying to mathematicallydemonstrate what is love, what
is God.
So for me, what God is, is theguide of divinity, anything that
guides you to the thirddefinition of divinity, which is

(35:35):
that which is good, divine.
So for me, Guide of good,whatever sends me to something
that is good.
That's God.
Because where there is good,there is God.
And if you just think about thatextra, Oh, like, Oh God, just
move the O in between the G andthe D and you got good.

(35:55):
So whenever I say, Oh my God, Itake the my and move it over and
put the O in with the G and theD.
And I got my good is my God.
So wherever there's somethinggood happening, I gravitate.
It's like a magnet.
I go to that.
If I see kids having fun, or Isee adults that are holding

(36:16):
hands in public, I'll, I'll stopthem and say, Excuse me, I don't
know if you know this, but...
Holding hands makes you livelonger.
They've done scientific studiesthat if you hold hands with your
partner, you will live longerthan if you don't hold hands
with your partner.
So that connection, thatunified, unified field theory of
that energy actually is a, as apractice of life extension.

(36:36):
That's way easier than, youknow, juicing vegetables and,
and intermittent fasting.
Just hold someone's hand.
You know what I mean?
So where I see good, I see God,but again, I don't want people
left with God, like the face ofGod, love Jesus, love Buddha,
love Krishna.
But those are the only threegods I've really studied.

(36:59):
And I'm getting my PhD right nowin metaphysical ministry from
the university of Sedona becauseI want to understand God.
So in my spiritual practice thatyou're pointing to and giving me
the opportunity and the platformand the opportunity to reach

people with this message is: there's four people in the play, (37:12):
undefined
the Leela, India, the IndianSanskrit word for play is Leela,
L E E L A.
And there's a song like wheelson the bus go round and round.
When the kids in India sing it,it's, they sing it like this,
Leela, Leela.
Life is just a play.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha.

(37:35):
Leela, Leela, Leela, Leela,Leela, Just a play.
And they go over and over andthey just sing it.
There's no end.
It's the song that never endsversion of the Indians, you
know, Eastern Indians, nativechildren's song, Leela, on the
bus.

Wheels on the bus go round, round, round.
Oh my

Boise (37:55):
God.
Yeah, it brings you joy andeverybody knows the words and
eventually, even if you're in abad mood or you stubbed your toe
or you failed a test or youdidn't get the snack, you'll
jump in eventually.
After a couple rounds, you'relike, Leela, Leela, you know,
like you'll get in there.
So in the play of life, there'sfour characters.
There's you, the others, peoplewatching, me and your Leela, you

(38:17):
and my Leela, God, the guide ofdivinity.
And then this other thing.
That you can call it whateveryou want.
You can call it the ego edgingGod out.
You can call it the devil.
You know, the devil made me doit.
You don't want to be responsiblefor your actions.
Oh, the devil made me do it.
Right.
So my grandmother used to say,Oh, don't, don't let the devil
get you or whatever thatnegative conversation...like you

(38:41):
said, wow, you used your mind towatch your brain, the
separation, the gap, or what mymeditation called meditation
teacher, called the witness.
So if you can get the watcherand the witness up above the
surface monkey mind, and thenyou can detach or separate from
the ego, the edging God out.
So the four characters in theLeela to wrap up this spiritual
thought is you got yourself, yougot the others, you got God, and

(39:05):
then you've got, Hey, it's mysister calling.
And then you've got the, the,the ego or the devil.
Right.
And that's edging God out.
So for me, there's three sourcesof joy, myself, God and others.
And then there's a source of joythat's like, if it's easy now,
it's probably going to hurtlater, but if it's challenging

(39:28):
now, it's probably going tobring me a lot of joy in the
long run.
So the easy things tend to bepropped up by the ego or the
devil, the really the quickmoney, the fast relationship,
the low calorie cheap gas storesnack.
Those things tend to give youthe immediate payoff, the high,
the euphoric sense of like, Ohmy God, this is so good.

(39:51):
But the thing that's morechallenging, like juicing the
carrots first thing in themorning or giving your first
hour of the day to yourmeditation practice or sitting
down and Journaling when you'rereally angry and you just want
to react to the other or youwant to harm yourself, you know?
The suicidal ideation thedepression the self harm the all

(40:12):
the feelings that's in the egocategory.
How can I get right with what'sgood?
What's good about my friends?
What's good about my family?
What's good about myself?
And make space for the dark.
So that's those four charactersin the play are how I true
myself up to my spiritualpractice.
And every morning, you know,giving that first hour of the

(40:33):
day to God, the guide ofdivinity, so that I can
guarantee that the next 23 hoursI get back are in service of
whatever the message was in themeditation.
Light the candle, it's a coupleof ohms, wrap yourself in a
blanket, sit upright, don't turnyour phone on, bang your little
gong, your little bells, ringyour little bell, and don't look

(40:54):
at your screen, first hour ofthe day, and then pen to paper,
to try to capture what was themessage.
And then if I can live true tothat message, and if I've been
carrying my notebook around.
If I forget the message, I canlook it up, you know, And this
morning's message was, um, blessthem, those people in the world

(41:14):
that upset me, the 57 wars onthe planet, bless those people
that are trying to, you know, beright about something.
And God, just continue to giveme that, the ability to change
my own thinking so I can be agood person.
And that was this morning'smessage was to just bless them
change me.

(41:35):
And that's what I would say, youknow, is, is a practice again,
practice, the theme, andwriting.
And giving that first hour ofthe day to whatever your
spiritual connection is,whatever your guide of divinity,
whatever your higher power, yourultimate consciousness, even if
it's nature, go to the beach, goto the forest and be with

(41:56):
whatever that is for you.

I am just bathing in this wisdom and these gems.
They're so magical and yet sopractical.
I can, I can go and doeverything that you just shared
about.
Um,

Boise (42:13):
if it's hard now, it's rewarding later, but the
practices don't have to be hard.
If the practice is hard, find adifferent practice.
You know?

Yeah.

Boise (42:24):
That's great.
And then build.
Yeah, build.
And you were brilliant lastnight.
People don't know what I'mtalking about, but I'll, I'll
drop it in the comments orsomething last night.
So many, so many questions aboutthis constitution play that you
put up or this piece.
It's really a, it's really apiece, but how you got off book.
You know, what you used asreference for your own, you
know, replacement and therepetition of it.

(42:45):
And the thing at the end is thatpart of the, is that part of it,
or did you add that?
Like what, uh, and I've alreadygot, I'm, I'm trying to put
together a bus from the Westside to come to North Hollywood
next weekend.
Um, but it's really importantthat people remember that you
have a choice.
You don't have to be a victimand no one gets to say what you

(43:09):
do with your body, regardless ofwhat your passport says.
So

thank you for thank you for that is so powerful and
really getting, drilling downwith what you just shared.
No one gets to tell you.
That's, uh, that's huge.
It's why I'm doing the play.
It's why I think I'm going tokeep doing the play.
It's why this may be the onlyplay I ever do again.

Boise (43:38):
That's like, that's great.
I love that you said thatbecause we know you're going to
do more, but it puts you all in,like you burn the boats like
Vikings, right?
You burn the boats, you're like,this is it.

I do.
I want, I think, collegecampuses, just get it.
I think there isn't a soul thatwon't find themselves somewhere,
like in your play and like whatyou just shared, somewhere in
this story.
There's not a soul that's notgonna identify with some aspect,
with some character, with someessence, with some teaching that

(44:10):
they're not gonna learn from andexperience and feel their shared
humanity with.
So thank you for, for reflectingthat back about last night's
show.
And thank you for coming to theshow.
Thanks for showing up.
That's another thing.
Showing up.
Showing up, showing up.
So many great creatives andartists and geniuses and wizards
like you, Boise, talk so muchabout.

(44:32):
Just show up.

Boise (44:34):
And hey, look, it took me, it took me 55 minutes to
drive to the play, right?
That was hard.
It took me 27 minutes to gethome.
That was easy.
So again, to make the point ofthe practice was going to see
you put up that brilliant piece.
It took something to get there.
And when I was there, I waslike, Oh my God, this is so

(44:54):
great.
And the drive home, I wasfloating.
So a perfect example of doingsomething that's challenging on
the front end.
the payoff on the back end isway better because it took
something.

Yeah, that's it folks.
There's your prescription fromthe to be Dr.
Boise Thomas to be who iscurrently getting his PhD, his,
his doctorate in Sedona.
And, uh, so, so let me ask youthis.
Yeah.
You're force of nature.
I mean, it's so obvious.
It's just coming through thepixels and in the energy and

(45:27):
the, in the sound vibrationsthat you're making.
We're all privy to it.
What would, have you had acataclysmic moment or two that
has set you off, uh, in thedirection of your life, of your
created dreams come true.
I mean, has there been a, a soulboom for you or a couple that

(45:51):
have launched you in to becomingyou.
And if so, if you wanted toshare any of those moments.

Boise (46:03):
Yeah.
Soul boom.
I mean, I'm pretty out about itbecause in the, in the 2020
book, you mentioned my book,How's Your Heart.
Um, it's still not on Amazonyet.
So like people like, how do Iget it?
Like, I don't know.
You go to the website, you orderit.
And then I sign it.
And it'll

be on the show notes.
It'll be on the show notes aswell.
Of course, of course.

Boise (46:19):
I've been struggling to get it on Amazon because I'm a
bit of a control freak and theykeep wanting me to correct the
margins and, and there's likeartwork everywhere.
So it, it bleeds every page goesinto the bleed.
And the, the AI computer roboticprinting press is like, no, will
not, I won't print this.
It won't look right.
But it doesn't understand like,that's how the book is.

(46:39):
It goes off the page.
So I haven't quite found out howto do that yet, but it's all in
due time.
It's fine.
But in 2020, when I publishedthe book, um, and, and, and got
like a couple of thousand copiesout in the world and sold them
and signed them and all thatstuff.
Um, in that chapter 13 of thatbook, I talk about my, as you
said, soul boom.
I've never heard that phrasebefore.
I love that.

(47:00):
So the, my soul boom was, um,in, in January of 2017.
I was real, I couldn't sleep.
I was sleeping about four hoursa day and it won't go deep into
the details because it's in thebook, but it didn't matter if I
went to bed at eight, I woke upat midnight.
If I went to bed at midnight, Iwoke up at four.
If I went to bed at four, I wokeup at eight, couldn't nap,

(47:23):
couldn't get back to sleep.
And every two hours I broke intoa fit of hysterical sobbing and
crying for 20 minutes.
And the reason why I say it thisway is because it was like
clockwork.
It was like a German train.
It was like, you can count onit.
And, and after about a week ortwo, I stopped sleeping in my

(47:44):
bed and I was couch surfing andstaying with friends.
And at one point I actuallystarted staying with my former
wife who, we'd been divorced forfour years.
And I went and stayed with herfor a couple of days because I
had nowhere else to go.
You know, I had nowhere else,Richard Geer, right?
Officer and a Gentleman, likeget out of my, Get out of my

(48:06):
military, get out of my MarineCorps.
He's like, I got nowhere else togo.
Like I had nowhere else to go.
And ultimately, uh, a woman Iwas seeing at the time gifted me
an hour with her therapist.
And I hadn't sat with atherapist for like a year or
two.
And the therapist at the end ofthe session, I was looking at
the clock.
I go, here we go...
She's about to check in becausewe've got like a minute left.

(48:27):
She goes, all right, so what doyou want to do?
I go, I don't know what to do.
And she said, all right, well,the way I see it is you have
three choices.
You can go home and be alone.
I said, no, I don't want to dothat.
She goes you can go find anotherfriend.
Go sit with them.
I go, no, I don't want to dothat either.
She goes, or you can go to thehospital and check yourself in
because you're so exhaustedafter three and a half weeks of

(48:48):
this, that you're starting tohave really negative thoughts.
And the conversation that I kepthaving Robyn was, what's the
point?
What's the point?
To any of this.
And I'll tell you if you're outthere and you've never had a
depressed suicidal thought inyour life, the last question you
want to get in bed with withyour ego is what's the point,

(49:11):
because you will lose thatconversation to your ego and
you'll go looking for a gun, oryou'll go looking for a great
place to drive off the PCH intothe ocean, or you'll think about
hanging yourself.
You'll think about how manypills do I have to take?
And then you start Googlingthings.
How would I do it?
That's a very slippery slope.
So when I started thinking abouthow would I actually end my own

(49:35):
life?
That was my sonic boom.
And then I drove to the hospitalthat day.
And I checked myself in to UCLAmedical center in the emergency
room.
You know, there's nothing morehumbling than filling out a
clipboard.
And it says on question seven,it says, why are you here at the
emergency room today?
And you write, I'm thinking ofkilling myself.

(49:58):
So in all the spiritual,amazing, life coachy movies,
music, poetry, wherever there'sthat moment where the hero, he
or she, or they, or them says, Ithought about ending my life.
And then they have this epiphanylike, Oh, not only is the idiot

(50:19):
about to kill me, but theidiot's about to kill the guy
that's taking his play toBroadway one day.
And if this idiot gets his way,he's going to kill all three of
us.
The person I was, the person Iam, and the person that the

(50:39):
guide of divinity wants me tobecome.
And in that moment in thehospital, that's when I realized
I don't belong in an emergencyroom with a bunch of people
having psychotic breaks inreality.
I belong, um, in the world.
I, I pulled a geographical, Itraveled for two years and I
wrote the book and it took meevery day of those two years to

(51:00):
write that book.
But that was my sonic boom.
And it's chapter 13 of How'sYour Heart.
And I don't pretend to givepeople a recipe for how to not
kill yourself.
But my hope in the book whenpeople read it is that they get
to preemptively experience theirown Suicidal ideation because I
ask people when I lead seminarswhen I do Panels when I host

(51:23):
anything or whenever I'm infront of a group of people and
it's appropriate I'll say to thepeople, I have a question, How
many of you have thought aboutkilling yourself?
And the people that don't raisetheir hand I say, okay I just
have to stop for a secondbecause everyone whose hand is
down, You're not being honestwith me because I just asked
you, have you ever thought aboutkilling yourself?

(51:46):
And even if you never have, youjust had to think about it just
to answer the question.
So everyone's hand should go up.
I'm not asking, are youdepressed?
Are you sad?
Or do you want to publicly outyourself as somebody who
grapples like I used to withcrippling depression?
I just spent weeks in my housewith the blinds drawn.

(52:07):
Not showering, not eatingpeople, leaving food on my
doorstep.
So I know what that place islike.
And I haven't had Robyn asuicidal thought knock on wood
since probably, well, suicidalideation to the point of like
that kind of clinical depressionsince August of 2023.
And the source of it is thewriting because every day I wake

(52:32):
up and I realize I can writemyself into right action.
I can right my mind.
into being right.
I can write myself, right theship, right the car, you know,
right the story.
And the story that I want tofinish when my time is done here
is one where people say thingslike you've been so generous to

(52:54):
say today that I got to impactstadiums full of people.
And I don't believe I'm doneyet.
You know, and I lost 13 peoplein my life this year.
My mom, couple mentors, peoplein my book, four of my favorite
people all died within 150 daysof each other this year.
And then another eight or ninepeople shuffled off the mortal
coil within 150 days and forcedme to go become a death doula,

(53:15):
which is a whole nother thingtoo end of life care, wrapping
people in a shroud, oiling theirbody, sitting with the dead, not
shipping them off to themortuary so they can be pumped
with chemicals or burned to ash,sitting with the dead for hours,
sometimes days, and lettingpeople grieve and mourn because
most people have never seen adead body.

(53:38):
And I've seen a lot of deadbodies in the last couple of
years.
And that's where we're allheaded, but not by my own hand,
right?
By the hand of, of the guide ofdivinity.
So thanks for letting me go wayout into the ethers there and
then come back because a son, asoul boom is what I wish for
everybody.
I wish on your worst day, youasked the question, what's the

(54:01):
point?
And then you put pen to paperand create anything that's
better than putting an end toyour own life.
And I know that it's a, it's,it's an epidemic out there right
now, mental health, and it'sonly going to get worse.
You know, it's not going to getcured overnight.
It's not going to get curedalone with prescription or
therapy.
It's going to take, everyone'sgoing to have to create their

(54:22):
own ritual, but it begins withrighting your mind.
And, and writing, writing yourmind.
Get a good pen and a goodjournal.
Yeah.

I'm

Boise (54:34):
Soul Boom! I love that!

Boom! It's Soul Boom! I, I believe it's the name
of Rainn Wilson's podcast, SoulBoom.
Oh, great! Love it! Um, and,Boise.
This is, I am, uh, I'm, I don'twanna say overwhelmed because
I'm absorbing.
Well, you're very light,

Boise (54:54):
you're very, you're very bright.
You're very light, so I know youknow the darkness.

Yeah.

Boise (54:59):
Because you don't get to be this bright.
You just don't get to be this agood driver until you have a
couple of accidents.
You don't get to be, you know, avery talented person until you
fail a lot and experience a lotof, you know, failure is what
success will give you, you know,really it's, it's the other side

(55:21):
of success is you're just,you're someone who's failed more
than anyone else.
So I know, you know, the dark,because again, last night was, I
watched somebody bring a groupof 50 other people to life in 90
minutes and everybody, nobodywanted to go home.
Nobody wanted to leave.
You know, and that's the mark ofsomebody who's turning on their

(55:44):
own light.
So that you can see the lightinside of you.
So I get, you got a little, youknow, paused there with, with
like speaking, but it's becauseyou know, that dark, you don't
get to be that light withoutdark.
So, yeah,

true, true.
That true.
That, and this is a very, um,thank you for that
acknowledgement and reflection.
And this is a.
the wealth, the richness of thisconversation is, uh, is really,
again, unmatched.
And I, for people that, this isvery practical, but for

(56:20):
listeners who are like, I don'thave the energy to write, I
can't write, I'm not going to, Idon't have a pen, I don't have a
journal.
I'm in the middle of the woods.
I, like, literally, what, isthere another way that we can,
is there another?
A form in which we could write,do we, can we speak it out loud?
Do we talk to God?

(56:40):
I mean, for people that maybethey can't write, there's some
impediment, whatever the casemay be, if we can't actually
take pen to paper, which I see,I feel isn't, it's invaluable.
But if for some reason, there'ssomething that that's the thing
keeping us from getting over thewall, what, what can you offer
those folks?

(57:00):
In terms of, I'm not a writer, Idon't want to wake up and write,
I don't have time, you know,

Boise (57:04):
My, my mind went to, you said if they were out in the
woods and they didn't have a penor paper.
Well, in the woods, there's twothings you can find in the woods
really easily.
Leaves, And rocks.
So maybe a leaf would be forlike everything that's light in
your life.
Like, I love that.
I woke up today, 89, 000 peopledie in their sleep every night.

(57:24):
They think they're going to wakeup tomorrow and they don't.
So whenever I wake up, I'm like,I won the lottery.
You know, it's, it's, it's verysmall odds that out of 8.
4 billion people, you're goingto die in your sleep.
It's like point 16 zeros.
And then like one, eight sevenor something.
It's a very, very smallpercentage of people, 89, 000
people in 8.
4 billion.

(57:44):
But for me, every time I wakeup, the first thought I have is
like, yes, I I'm, I'm back.
I have another day.
So that would be the leaf, lightthings that you could stack or
collect.
And then the rock would besomething that's like a rock in
your shoe, a pebble.
It's heavy.
It's hard.
It's, it's, it's changing, butto our eye, molecularly, we
can't see the change in a pebbleor a rock, unless we looked at

(58:07):
it in a river every day for 50years, we'd see it shrink,
right?
But that's not how our brainswork.
So the pebbles, you can make apile of pebbles for all the hard
days and then a pile of leavesfor all the light days, because
that, that's the resource youhave, you know, and then you
could, you could Invite people,your whole village, say, Hey,
let's make a pile of leaves.

(58:28):
And every day at the end of theday, we'll look at the two
piles, how many rocks, how manypeople had pebbles and how many
people had a light leaf day.
And then we can just say, okay,that was today.
And then the next morning, youknow, we sweep it all away and
we start over because that'sreally all we got anyways, is
the, is the next day to startover, but today's the only one
we get, as far as we know, sothat's what I would say to

(58:48):
people that don't have the, thefancy stationery shop down the
street where they can buy theirthree dollar pen, you know?

And, and in that vein, this, this methodology,
this idea of rewriting yourstory.
Can you say a little bit aboutthat in the journaling process,
whether that's with pen andpaper or rocks and leaves?
What is this about rewritingyour own story?
Like, how can people make thatinto like a, they could put that

(59:18):
in their toolkit and actuallywhip it out.
What does that look like?

Boise (59:21):
Well, you know, and the other thing, and again, because
the book's not on Amazon and I'mnot on a book tour.
And even though I'm an author,and even though I made some
music on Spotify, I don'tconsider myself a musician and I
don't consider myself somebodywho's pitching a book.
But in my book, what I delveinto with people is the, the sum
of who you are is the previoustwo selves that has existed

(59:45):
before who you are today and howI use those markers and I
alluded to it earlier in theinterview today was you look at
the Fibonacci numbers.
So the Fibonacci sequence, thesenumbers here at the top of this
postcard.
It's 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13,21, 34.

(01:00:06):
Those are the Fibonacci numbersand it's actually the Fibonacci
sequence.
And I believe that those numbersdon't only exist in nature in a
swirl, a seashell, your DNA,that we flush something down the
toilet and you watch it do thespiral, the wave crashing, the
tornado from space, whatever itis, right?

(01:00:27):
You can mathematically extractany swirl you see in the world.
And you can find those numbers.
You can also find them in the,the leaves of a pine cone and
the seeds inside of a sunflower.
I haven't looked at this, uh,and, and counted, but this is, I
always have an orchid on mydesk.
We talked about aliens, right?

(01:00:48):
Actors and being, you know, Ithink green eyed people, I think
we're from somewhere else.
So, you know, good to see you.
Good to see you again with myglasses on.
All right.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
There's eight flowers on this.
Okay.
And there's three leaves.
So that follows the rule of theFibonacci sequence, eight and

(01:01:14):
three.
And in the middle, there's fivein our bodies.
One, two, three, it goes one,two, three, One is it's the sum
of the previous two.
That's all you got to remember.
Okay.
So Boise is, by

Robyn Cohen (01:01:30):
the way, for those listening, Boise is pointing to
his fingers that's right.
So if you type in construct

Boise (01:01:37):
human anatomy and you typed in Fibonacci sequence,
human anatomy, your finger isthe sum of the previous bone.
So the tip of your finger isone, and then the middle part of
your finger is one, and thosetwo, one plus one equals two,
which is the length of the nextbone from your knuckle to the

(01:01:59):
knuckle on your hand, and thenthat whole finger is the length
of one, plus one, plus two isthree.
And that's from your knuckle toyour wrist.
And then that whole finger toyour wrist goes to your ulna,
which is your wrist to yourelbow, and then that goes from
your elbow to your shoulder.
So 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 is the way thebody is measured and it doesn't

(01:02:25):
matter what your body type is.
Everybody is different, butnobody is, is exempt from the
Fibonacci sequence.
So the part I want you toremember, if you remember any of

this from today is (01:02:37):
the sum of the previous two is how you get
the number in the Fibonaccisequence.
I'm 55 years old this year.
I am the sum of who I was at 34when I met you and who I was at
21, which is when I really kindof entered the world as an adult
when I was done with college.

(01:02:58):
And I went out into the world asa working sportscaster and a
professional and a radio DJ, andthen eventually an adventure
tour guide.
So if you want to go back, ifyou don't have leaves, you don't
have rocks and you're not surehow to rewrite your story, to
your question, go back and minethe gold of your past.
No matter what age you are, goto the nearest Fibonacci

(01:03:20):
sequence number below that age.
So I'm 55.
I happen to be right on atFibonacci number, but up from
age 35 to age 54, I looked backto who I was at 34 and who I was
at 21.
And those two versions of myselfinformed me.
Who I was going to become and tohang in there and remember that

(01:03:42):
it's going to get better.
And in life, it gets worsebefore it gets better sometimes,
let's be honest.
But, you can find those numbersanywhere in nature.
And they're my guide.
Whenever I see one, one, two,three, five, eight, 13, 21, 34,
55, 89, 144, and then intoinfinity, I know: 144 TV
commercials.
I lived in Venice for 21 years.

(01:04:03):
I lived in my house for 13years.
I'm 55.
So all those numbers this yearshowed me it's time for a big
change.
And even though it was hard tomove out of my house and hard to
lose those 13 people that diedin my life this year, I saw it
as a gift because the universeis conspiring in my favor and

(01:04:24):
God does not want me to suffer.
God wants me to find joy, butjoy is available when we
experience our suffering.
And there's your Zen Buddhistprinciple of the day.
Life is suffering, but sufferingis optional.
So find your joy, find yourbliss, follow it, live your
happiness.
And if you're struggling, pickup the phone, find somebody who

(01:04:44):
can listen and hear you out.
So that's what I would say aboutthat.
Wow.
And have an orchid on your desk.
I don't work for the orchidindustry, but I'm a big fan.
I'm a big fan.
I love my orchids.
Okay.

Okay.
Wow.
Thank you.
This is like, uh, this is thetreasure chest.
We've all been sort of, it'slike in Goonies.
And they've got the map inGoonies, and then, there it is.
And he's down there in Goonies,and they're in the caves, and

(01:05:20):
he's like,"This is our time.
Up there, it's their time."Because they want to stop.
They're ready to stop themission.
But the young boy says,"Upthere, it's their time.
But it's our time down here.
This is our time.""Willie, wegot to do it.
We got to get the gold!"

Boise (01:05:41):
I have a coin and on the coin one side says yes, and the
other side says no.
And if I really get stuck, Iflip that coin because in zero
space where gravity exists, ifyou flip a coin and you flip it
over, God always will give youthe answer that you want because
God can make it turn one moretime to make sure that you get

(01:06:02):
your answer.
So when in doubt, flip a coin,heads or tails.

I'm levitating with the power, uh, the joy, the,
wisdom of this conversation.
I'm vibrating with the truth ofit.
And, um, and I know you said,you know, this is not about your
book, but your book, but thisis, and every single soul who's

(01:06:29):
listening in on this, um, wantsto read Boise's book and, and
share it with their friends andfamilies and figure out a way,
figure out a way to choose theirlives and choose joy and write
their stories and get up againand again and know that freedom

(01:06:54):
and joy and full self expressionand creativity are on the other
side of that wall and more.
So, okay, so, Boise, and we willput it in the show notes, but
can, where can people listeningin where can they find you?
How can they get your book?
Today?
Uh, where can they find you inthe world leading seminars,

(01:07:16):
teaching?
Your next plays?
How do we stay in touch with youand deeply connected to you for
the rest of our lives startingright now?

Boise (01:07:27):
Thank you.
Well, um, you make me wanna giveeveryone my phone number, but
let's start with, uh, website.
The website's Boise thomas.com.
Boise spelled like Idaho,B-O-I-S-E and pronounce Boise,
and Thomas is my last name.
So boise thomas.com.
Um, there's Instagram, uh, Boisedot, Thomas or Boise, period.

(01:07:47):
Thomas, um, Einstein's MeetCharlie Chaplin is the hashtag.
You can find that on my websitetoo.
Um, how's your heart?
Guide is the website for thebook.
Uh, that's also through Boisethomas.
com.
And, uh, you know, anywhere youtype in Boise Thomas, you'll get
all the little places where Ilive.
And, you know, for the lastseveral years, I've just been

(01:08:09):
healing myself and hibernating.
My word for 2025, and Icelebrate my birthday as my new
year.
So every October 12th, I'm aLibra, that's my new year.
So my year, my word for lastyear was practice.
And my word on my birthday thisyear, just almost two months
ago, you know, to date that thecast, you can pull that out if
you want.
But my word for the next year ofmy life, age 55, is visibility.

(01:08:34):
And I'm making myself visible tothe world after really hiding,
healing, living in the shadow,not really coming out, you know,
and now I'm, I'm making myselfavailable to the world and
saying, look, this is who I am.
Take it or leave it.
This is the story that God gaveme to tell.

(01:08:54):
I held the book and the pen andGod did the rest.
So as far as theEinstein/Chaplain story goes,
that is going to take me as faras it takes me.
I'm here to serve it.
Like a parent serves a child ora human walks a dog or feeds a
cat or holds a baby.
I'm here to serve that beinguntil it says, I don't need you

(01:09:16):
anymore.
And, uh, and until that ride isover, that's really what my
life's about now.
So Einstein's meet CharlieChaplin, that's the hashtag
online and boisethomas.Com is isreally the home for all my
things.
And I just updated my websiteagain in this last couple of
weeks.
So yeah, so it's current.

(01:09:36):
Thanks Robyn.
You're great.

I want to have a whole conversation about
visibility and the messages thatyou have been no doubt receiving
from the angels smiling down onyou even now and Mom and your
teachers and your guides, and Ifeel them raging through you.

(01:10:01):
I would regret it,

Boise (01:10:02):
Robyn, if I didn't read this quote from my acting
teacher, because I knowcountless people study with you
in and out of your, your actingclasses.
The, the late, great Sal Romeo,of the friends and artists
theater and the sidewalk theaterin Burbank was my acting
teacher, taught me Meisner,Stanislavski, the method, got

(01:10:22):
me, you know, the white screenand close your eyes and
meditate, like that guy broughtme to the edge of the darkness
of my life so that I could seemy light and I, and I would
regret it if I didn't read aquote from Sal Romeo who passed
away six days after my mom.
So the two of them are standingon my shoulders, whispering in
my ears, telling me just keepgoing.

(01:10:45):
We'll see you on the other side.
Here's the quote from Sal.
Okay.
You ready?
Yes.
And you've said all of this inthis, uh, in this beautiful hour
we've spent together, but thisis how Sal says it.
"I don't think there's a bettertool in the world than
repetition.
The fluid exchange of emotion tolearn how to listen and get your

(01:11:09):
attention on the other where itbelongs instead of on yourself."
And that's, that's SalvatoreRomeo.
God bless his heart.
And I love you, Sal.
And I'll see you on the otherside.
And I know that he's with mebecause before he died, I didn't
have a play.
And when I went to his memorial,all I kept thinking is, I have

(01:11:33):
to get this story out.
And the day after his service, afriend of mine came over and
said, well, you know, it's aplay, right?
It's three people in one roomtalking for an hour.
I was like, Oh.
And the rest is history.
So thank you, Robyn.

so much.
God bless you.
What a, this, what a gorgeous,this is Sunday.
We are, we are creating thisepisode with Boise on a Sunday,
which, you know, is typicallyoften thought of as God's day.
And thank you for bringing themagic and the majesty and the
power and the presence of divinelove into this conversation and

(01:12:15):
into the world.
I love you so much.
I appreciate you so much.
And I can't wait for The next,and the next, forever.
This is the kind ofconversation.
This is like the only kind ofconversation I want to have.

Boise (01:12:33):
That's right.

To be continued.

Boise (01:12:35):
Yeah.

I can't say it any better than that.
So we're going to sing it out.
Thank you, Boise.
Thank you.
Thank you much, much love.
So we completed the call and I'mjust, I'm just, I'm going to put
some show notes in and just someof the takeaways that are just

right there (01:13:01):
the power to choose that we stand in the crossroads
and we can choose a leaf insteadof a stone.
We can also look at our livesand see the, monumental value,
the worth that you are, thatit's, it's time to stop robbing,

(01:13:25):
robbing the world of that, ofthat beautiful gift, the
treasure chest that is you.
That in terms of our creativity,we can look to our own child
like dreams and fantasies, andwhat did we want to do when we
were just, you know, three,four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine, ten years old, and theworld was our oyster, and the

(01:13:48):
point of today is, it still is.
It still is.
The world is still your oysterevery day, every moment you get
to decide that it is.
The, the practice and Boise wasvery clear.
This is, you know, part of thetitle of this episode.
Practice.
The practice of I'm going to getup and whether if I have an

(01:14:11):
hour, great, but if it's fiveminutes, I'm still going to get
quiet and start to observe mythoughts and create that space
and separation and mindfulnessso that I can start to course
correct and start to captain theship of my day, by, you know,

(01:14:34):
choosing the kinds of thoughtsand ideas and what I want to
believe in.
So I loved all of that.
There's so much more, uh, butwhat a beautiful conversation
and exploration into what it isto be a human being with all of
our troubles and our worries andour pains and regrets.
But knowing that joy and freedomand self expression is on the

(01:14:57):
other side of that wall, theego.
The edging God out.
On the other side of that, if wecan set the ego aside, glory,
glory, glory be, hallelujah isavailable to you.
So God bless you on this Sundayand on every day and every
moment of the week.
I'm with you.

(01:15:18):
Let's go.
Let's do this.
Let's get after it because thisis your time.
This is your time.
In every sense of the word, thisreally is our time.
See you on the next ride.
Bye bye.
Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.
Oh my goodness.
What a heartfelt and motivatingconversation.

(01:15:40):
Boise just rocks.
He's like a treasure chest ofknowledge and inspiration.
Just dropping gems wherever hegoes.
so enlightening.
Speaking of light, as we look tothe blazing bright creative
horizon ahead, don't forgetabout the upcoming six week
acting workshop starting January28th.

(01:16:02):
That's going to totally amplifythese new found insights into
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whether you're ready to explorethe online realm Or join us in
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It's all about enhancing yourcraft, your confidence, your
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(01:16:24):
gifts.
Let 2025 be a cornerstone yearfor you becoming everything that
you are.
Just email me at Robyn, Robyn'swith a Y, at
cohenactingstudio.com or visitthe website at
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It's all in the show notes andlet me know you want in, and

(01:16:45):
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