March 22, 2025 • 17 mins
In this episode of "The Deep Dive," we explore the groundbreaking world of cybernetics, driven by pioneers like Neuralink, Synchron, Blackrock Neurotech, and Kernel. Discover how brain-computer interfaces (BCIs) are revolutionizing healthcare by offering new treatments for neurological disorders and enhancing cognitive rehabilitation. We'll delve into the potential of BCIs to augment human capabilities, improve mental health, and create seamless human-computer interactions. Join us as we examine the technological, ethical, and societal challenges that come with these advancements and discuss the importance of collaboration and innovation in unlocking the full potential of cybernetics. Don't miss this deep dive into the future of human-machine symbiosis! 🚀🧠🌐
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(00:00):
Hey everyone and welcome back for another deep dive.
(00:03):
Excited to be here.
Today we're diving into the world of cybernetics
and brain computer interfaces.
Yeah.
We got a whole bunch of research overviews
and technical documents and even some company profiles.
It's a lot.
Yeah.
But we're gonna try to break it down
into something a little more digestible.
Sure.
You know, one of the things that I was reading about
(00:24):
that I thought was really cool
was this paralyzed patient.
Oh wow.
Who is able to control a robotic arm
just by thinking about it.
That's incredible.
And then there's this technology
that can translate your thoughts into text in real time.
Really?
It's like merging minds and machines.
Yeah, that's kind of the idea behind BCIs.
Yeah.
(00:45):
The potential is just mind boggling.
But cybernetics is a lot more than just cool gadgets.
Yeah.
It's really a way of thinking about systems.
Okay.
And how they communicate and how they're controlled.
Interesting.
The word itself actually comes
from the Greek kybernetis, which means steersman.
So think of it like this.
Okay.
A steersman guides a ship.
(01:06):
You know, making adjustments to stay on course.
Yeah.
Cybernetics is kind of doing the same thing.
Right.
But from more complex systems,
like living organisms, machines, or even entire societies.
Wow, that's a great analogy.
And you know, one of the things that's really wild to me
is how interdisciplinary this field is.
Right.
It's not just computer science and engineering.
(01:28):
No, not at all.
Cybernetics brings together biology, psychology,
even sociology.
Absolutely, it's like a melting pot of ideas.
Yeah.
From all these different fields.
It's amazing.
And the applications are everywhere.
Oh yeah.
Medical devices, robotics, AI,
optimizing how organizations function.
It's having a real impact on the world right now.
(01:49):
I think one of the key figures that helped shape this field
was Norbert Wiener.
Okay.
Back in the 1940s, he wrote this groundbreaking book
called Cybernetics, or Control and Communication
in the Animal and the Machine.
And it basically laid the foundation
for everything that followed.
So it all started with him.
Pretty much.
Wow.
And then you can imagine the energy
(02:10):
at the Macy conferences.
Oh yeah.
Where all these brilliant minds
from different disciplines came together
to discuss these revolutionary ideas.
Yeah, that must have been amazing.
For the first time.
Wow.
Yeah.
Well let's break down some of the core concepts
that are crucial for understanding cybernetics.
Sure.
First up, feedback loops.
Yeah.
They're how systems learn and adapt.
(02:31):
Exactly, and they're everywhere.
Yeah, they are.
Like think of a thermostat.
Okay.
It's a classic example of a negative feedback loop.
Okay.
It senses the temperature.
Right.
Compares it to the desired setting.
And then activates the heater, or AC, to adjust it.
Right.
It's all about maintaining stability.
Okay.
Now you also have positive feedback loops,
which amplify change.
(02:53):
Okay.
So like population growth.
Right.
More individuals lead to more births,
which causes the population to grow even faster.
So it's like a constant dance between stability and change.
Yeah, got it.
Okay, cool.
So then you have control system.
Right.
And I think of this as like the instruction manual.
For a machine.
(03:13):
Or even our own body.
It's a loop.
Okay.
With three parts.
Okay.
The sensor gathers information.
Right.
The controller makes decisions based on that information.
And then the actuator carries out those decisions.
The sensors are like the eyes and ears.
The controller is the brain.
Exactly.
And the actuator is like the muscles.
Right, putting everything into action.
Okay, cool.
(03:34):
Now let's get to the part that really gets me excited.
Okay.
Brain computer interfaces.
Oh yeah.
Or BCIs.
Here we go.
This is where things start to feel like
we've stepped into a science fiction movie.
Yeah.
But it's real.
It is.
And it has the potential to completely transform
how we interact with technology.
Yeah.
(03:54):
So at its core.
Yeah.
A BCI creates a direct connection between your brain.
And a device.
Right.
Allowing you to control that device with your thoughts.
Yeah, and we can broadly categorize BCIs into two types.
Okay.
Invasive and non-invasive.
Not yet.
So invasive BCIs.
Okay.
Like the ones being developed by Neuralink.
(04:15):
Mm-hmm.
Involve implanting electrodes directly into the brain.
Right.
This gives you incredibly precise control.
Okay.
And high resolution data.
Yeah.
But of course it requires surgery.
Now I think when most people hear invasive BCI.
Yeah.
They immediately think of Neuralink.
Right.
And their neural threads that are thinner than a human hair.
(04:36):
Exactly.
They've captured the public imagination.
Yeah.
But there are other players in the invasive BCI space.
Okay.
Like Synchron.
Okay.
They've developed something called the stentrode.
The stentrode?
Yeah.
What is that?
It's a minimally invasive BCI.
Okay.
It's implanted through blood vessels.
Oh wow.
Pretty ingenious.
(04:56):
Definitely.
But what about people who aren't ready for brain surgery?
Well that's where non-invasive BCIs come in.
Okay.
They use external sensors to measure brain activity.
Okay.
Which makes them safer and more portable.
Okay.
Companies like Kernel are working on non-invasive BCIs.
Okay.
That are designed for everyday use.
Okay.
Their Kernel Floyd system for example.
Mm-hmm.
(05:17):
Is already being used for cognitive training.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow, that's amazing.
Right.
I didn't realize it had gotten that far.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
So what can you actually do, oh, with a BCI?
Well, in the medical field,
we're seeing some truly remarkable applications.
Oh yeah, like what?
Think about it.
Okay.
Paralyzed patients regaining movement
using just their thoughts.
(05:38):
Wow.
People with neurological disorders like epilepsy
and Parkinson's finding relief.
Mm-hmm.
And even those with locked in syndrome
being able to communicate again.
That's incredible.
It's amazing to see how BCIs are already changing lives.
Wow, and it's not just about medical applications, right?
No, not at all.
BCIs have the potential to revolutionize
(05:58):
gaming entertainment, even how we work and learn.
Right.
Imagine controlling a video game with your mind
or using neurofeedback to enhance your cognitive abilities.
It's really just the beginning.
That's pretty wild.
Yeah.
So this is all pretty amazing.
It is.
But I'm also wondering about the potential downsides.
Okay.
(06:19):
Are there any risks or ethical concerns
we need to be aware of?
That's a crucial question.
Yeah.
As with any powerful technology.
Right.
There are potential risks
that need to be carefully considered.
So what are some of the specific challenges
and ethical questions we need to be asking?
Okay, so one of the biggest concerns is data security.
Okay.
Imagine if someone were to hack into your BCI.
(06:41):
Right.
And steal your thoughts.
Yeah.
Or even control your actions.
That's a chilling thought.
Yeah, it's a frightening thought.
And what about the potential impact on our sense of self?
Yeah.
You know, if a device is influencing
our thoughts and decisions.
Right.
Does that change who we are?
That raises a really profound question.
Yeah.
About identity and agency.
Yeah.
(07:02):
You know, as BCI has become more sophisticated
and integrated into our lives.
Right.
We need to consider what it means to be human
in an age of brain machine interfaces.
These are definitely some big questions
we need to grapple with.
Absolutely.
But let's move on.
Okay.
Let's sort of look at some of the specific companies.
Yeah.
That are leading the charge in the BCI field.
(07:23):
For sure.
We've already mentioned Neuralink and Synchron.
But there are so many others doing fascinating work.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
So let's dive into that world
and explore the incredible diversity of the BCI landscape.
Let's do it.
Stay with us folks.
We'll be right back.
(07:43):
Welcome back.
We're just talking about the potential risks
and ethical dilemmas with BCIs.
Yeah, some pretty heavy stuff.
Right.
Now we're gonna shift gears a bit
and actually explore some of the companies
at the forefront of this tech revolution.
I'm excited for this part.
Yeah.
It's fascinating to see how different companies
are tackling the challenges and opportunities of BCIs.
(08:05):
Right.
Each with their own unique approach.
Yeah.
We talked about Neuralink and Synchron
and their work on invasive BCIs.
Yeah.
But let's delve into some of the other key players.
Okay.
Like Frac Neurotech for example.
They've been in this field for a while now.
They have, they're one of the pioneers.
Yeah.
Their Utah Array.
Right.
Is considered the gold standard.
(08:25):
Pretty much.
For invasive BCIs in research.
Imagine a tiny grid of electrodes
implanted directly into the brain.
Oh.
Allowing researchers to record
and analyze neural activity with incredible detail.
So they can see what's happening in the brain.
Exactly.
It's been a game changer
for understanding how the brain works.
(08:46):
Wow.
Yeah.
And they've also developed the NeuroPort system, right?
That's being used in clinical settings.
True.
To help patients with paralysis.
Control computers and prosthetic limbs with their thoughts.
It's really amazing to think about it.
It is.
Like people who have lost the ability to move
can now interact with the world in ways
that were just unimaginable a few years ago.
(09:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so let's talk about Kernel.
Okay.
They're taking a different approach.
Yeah.
They're focusing on non-invasive BCIs
that are more accessible and user-friendly.
I'm really intrigued by their Kernel Flow system.
Okay.
Which uses light to measure brain activity.
It's really quite remarkable.
What's impressive about Kernel Flow
(09:29):
is that it's non-invasive.
Right.
Yet it still provides valuable insights
into brain function.
Wow.
So you don't have to have surgery.
Exactly.
You can still learn a lot.
Right.
And people are using it for all sorts of things.
Really?
From cognitive training to mental health monitoring.
That's great.
It's a great example of how BCIs can be used
to enhance our lives in so many different ways.
(09:51):
I think it's amazing how this technology
is becoming more compact and user-friendly.
Right.
Remember those bulky EEG headsets from a few years back?
Oh yeah.
Kernel Flow is a huge leap forward
in terms of portability.
Definitely, and aesthetics.
Now another company that's really pushing the boundaries
in the non-invasive BCI space is Emotive.
(10:14):
Oh yeah.
Emotive.
They've created these sleek and affordable headsets
that have caught the attention of researchers,
gamers, even artists.
It's amazing to see how their headsets are being used
in such diverse applications.
Right.
Like, researchers are using them to study brain activity.
(10:34):
Gamers are using them for these immersive
gaming experiences.
Right.
And artists are even using them to create art
with their minds.
I saw this incredible art installation.
Oh wow.
Where an artist was using an Emotive headset
to control a swarm of drones with their thoughts.
Really?
It was mesmerizing to watch the drones move in sync
with the artist's brain waves.
(10:55):
That sounds really cool.
Yeah, okay, so we've covered BlackRock, NeuroTech,
Kernel, Motive, all doing really amazing work.
Incredible work.
With BCIs.
Yeah.
But there's a couple more companies we need to mention.
Okay, which ones?
Neuroble.
Oh yeah, Neuroble.
And Paradromics.
Right, Paradromics.
They're both kind of pushing the limits
of what's possible with BCIs.
(11:15):
In what way?
Well, Neuroble is really focused on developing systems
for augmented reality and virtual reality applications.
Oh wow, that's where things start to get really futuristic.
Yeah.
Imagine controlling a virtual world with your mind.
Or having information seamlessly overlaid
onto your real world view.
Right.
(11:36):
And then you move through a BCI.
The possibilities are endless.
Yeah, the possibilities for gaming education,
even workplace training are incredible.
And then there's Paradromics,
which is working on these high bandwidth BCIs
that could revolutionize how we communicate
and interact with technology.
Imagine being able to download information
(11:57):
directly into your brain
or communicate with others telepathically.
That sounds straight out of science fiction.
Yeah.
But that's the kind of future
that Paradromics is working towards.
It's mind boggling to think about the potential
of these high bandwidth BCIs.
It really is.
They could completely change how we learn, how we work,
and even how we connect with each other.
It's fascinating, right?
(12:17):
It is.
So it's clear that the field of cybernetics and BCIs
is advancing rapidly.
Oh yeah, at an incredible pace.
Where do you think this is all heading?
That's a great question.
What might the future hold for this technology?
Well, one area that I'm particularly excited about
is the development of even more sophisticated
and user-friendly BCIs.
(12:40):
Okay.
Imagine systems that are so seamless.
They feel like an extension of your own thoughts.
Wow.
No more clunky headsets or invasive surgeries.
Right.
Just pure mind machine integration.
That would be incredible.
It would be revolutionary.
But what about the technical hurdles?
Yeah, that's a good point.
There's still a lot of work to be done.
There is.
(13:01):
In terms of improving signal quality.
Right.
Real-time performance and overall reliability.
You're absolutely right.
Yeah.
There are still significant
technical challenges to overcome.
Yeah.
But researchers are making progress every day.
That's good.
And with these advancements in AI and machine learning,
we can expect BCIs to become
even more powerful and personalized.
(13:21):
Okay.
Imagine BCIs that can learn your individual brain patterns.
Wow.
And adapt to your needs in real time.
That's a fascinating thought.
Yeah.
It's really quite amazing.
It sounds like the future of BCIs is all about
blurring the lines between humans and technology.
I think that's a very accurate way to put it.
But with such powerful advancements.
Yeah.
It's important to remember those ethical considerations
(13:43):
we discussed earlier.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
We need to ensure that these BCIs are developed
and used responsibly.
Right.
With the right space guards in place
to protect privacy, security, and individual autonomy.
So we've got this incredible technology
with the potential to revolutionize our world.
Right.
But we also need to be mindful of the potential risks
(14:06):
and ethical dilemmas.
It's a balancing act for sure.
Yeah.
It's a complex and fascinating landscape to navigate.
It really is.
Yeah.
Well, let's take a moment to reflect
on everything we've discussed so far.
And then delve into some of the broader implications
of BCIs for society as a whole.
So good.
Welcome back everyone.
We've covered a lot of ground in this deep dive.
We have.
(14:26):
From the basic principles of cybernetics.
Yeah.
Mind blowing advancements in brain computer interfaces.
It's been quite a journey.
It has.
Yeah.
We've explored some of the companies
at the forefront of this technological revolution.
Right.
Now let's step back and consider the bigger picture.
Okay.
How might BCIs impact society as a whole?
(14:47):
That is the million dollar question, isn't it?
It is.
BCIs hold immense potential to improve our lives
in countless ways.
Yeah.
But they also raise some really complex questions
about the future we're creating.
Exactly.
We've already touched on some of the ethical concerns
like data security and the potential impact
on our sense of self.
But there are also these broader societal implications
(15:08):
to consider.
Absolutely.
One concern that comes to mind
is the potential for increased inequality.
Imagine a world where the wealthy
can afford cognitive enhancements.
Right.
That give them an advantage in education in the workplace.
Even in social situations.
This could really exacerbate existing disparities.
(15:31):
Yeah.
And create a society divided by access
to these brain enhancing technologies.
That's a sobering thought.
It is.
And what about the potential impact on the workforce?
Ah, that's another big one.
Yeah, if machines aided by these advanced BCIs.
Right.
Can perform tasks that previously required
human intelligence.
(15:51):
What happens to jobs and livelihoods?
Well, it's a valid concern for sure.
Yeah.
With any disruptive technology,
there will be winners and losers.
Right.
Some jobs will inevitably become automated.
Yeah.
While new opportunities will emerge in fields
related to BCI development maintenance and application.
Right, so it's not just about developing the technology.
(16:12):
It's about shaping how that technology
is integrated into society.
Exactly.
And ensuring that the benefits are shared equitably.
That's the key.
Yeah, it's fascinating to think about the possibilities.
It is.
It's also a little daunting, right?
It is a little bit, yeah.
It feels like we're standing at the edge of a new era
where the lines between humans and technology
(16:32):
are becoming increasingly blurred.
We are entering uncharted territory, that's for sure.
Yeah.
But history has shown us that humans
are incredibly adaptable.
That's true.
We've navigated technological revolutions before.
Yeah.
And we'll find a way to navigate this one as well.
Hopefully.
The key is to approach it with curiosity and caution.
Right.
(16:53):
And commitment to using these powerful tools
for the betterment of humanity.
Well said.
Cybernetics and BCIs are a testament to human ingenuity.
They are.
But they also challenge us to think deeply
about our values and our vision for the future.
I think that's a perfect note to end on.
Yeah.
Cybernetics is a mirror reflecting our own potential
(17:14):
and our own choices as we venture further
into this uncharted territory.
Yeah.
Let's do so with a sense of wonder
and a commitment to shaping a future
where technology empowers and enhances our lives.
Right.
While still respecting our shared humanity.
That's it for this deep dive into the world
of cybernetics and brain computer interfaces.
(17:35):
Hope you enjoyed it.
We hope you've enjoyed the journey.
Yeah.
And that it sparked your curiosity to learn more.
Absolutely.
Thanks for joining us.
See you next time.
Hey everyone and welcome back for another deep dive.
(00:03):
Excited to be here.
Today we're diving into the world of cybernetics
and brain computer interfaces.
Yeah.
We got a whole bunch of research overviews
and technical documents and even some company profiles.
It's a lot.
Yeah.
But we're gonna try to break it down
into something a little more digestible.
Sure.
You know, one of the things that I was reading about
(00:24):
that I thought was really cool
was this paralyzed patient.
Oh wow.
Who is able to control a robotic arm
just by thinking about it.
That's incredible.
And then there's this technology
that can translate your thoughts into text in real time.
Really?
It's like merging minds and machines.
Yeah, that's kind of the idea behind BCIs.
Yeah.
(00:45):
The potential is just mind boggling.
But cybernetics is a lot more than just cool gadgets.
Yeah.
It's really a way of thinking about systems.
Okay.
And how they communicate and how they're controlled.
Interesting.
The word itself actually comes
from the Greek kybernetis, which means steersman.
So think of it like this.
Okay.
A steersman guides a ship.
(01:06):
You know, making adjustments to stay on course.
Yeah.
Cybernetics is kind of doing the same thing.
Right.
But from more complex systems,
like living organisms, machines, or even entire societies.
Wow, that's a great analogy.
And you know, one of the things that's really wild to me
is how interdisciplinary this field is.
Right.
It's not just computer science and engineering.
(01:28):
No, not at all.
Cybernetics brings together biology, psychology,
even sociology.
Absolutely, it's like a melting pot of ideas.
Yeah.
From all these different fields.
It's amazing.
And the applications are everywhere.
Oh yeah.
Medical devices, robotics, AI,
optimizing how organizations function.
It's having a real impact on the world right now.
(01:49):
I think one of the key figures that helped shape this field
was Norbert Wiener.
Okay.
Back in the 1940s, he wrote this groundbreaking book
called Cybernetics, or Control and Communication
in the Animal and the Machine.
And it basically laid the foundation
for everything that followed.
So it all started with him.
Pretty much.
Wow.
And then you can imagine the energy
(02:10):
at the Macy conferences.
Oh yeah.
Where all these brilliant minds
from different disciplines came together
to discuss these revolutionary ideas.
Yeah, that must have been amazing.
For the first time.
Wow.
Yeah.
Well let's break down some of the core concepts
that are crucial for understanding cybernetics.
Sure.
First up, feedback loops.
Yeah.
They're how systems learn and adapt.
(02:31):
Exactly, and they're everywhere.
Yeah, they are.
Like think of a thermostat.
Okay.
It's a classic example of a negative feedback loop.
Okay.
It senses the temperature.
Right.
Compares it to the desired setting.
And then activates the heater, or AC, to adjust it.
Right.
It's all about maintaining stability.
Okay.
Now you also have positive feedback loops,
which amplify change.
(02:53):
Okay.
So like population growth.
Right.
More individuals lead to more births,
which causes the population to grow even faster.
So it's like a constant dance between stability and change.
Yeah, got it.
Okay, cool.
So then you have control system.
Right.
And I think of this as like the instruction manual.
For a machine.
(03:13):
Or even our own body.
It's a loop.
Okay.
With three parts.
Okay.
The sensor gathers information.
Right.
The controller makes decisions based on that information.
And then the actuator carries out those decisions.
The sensors are like the eyes and ears.
The controller is the brain.
Exactly.
And the actuator is like the muscles.
Right, putting everything into action.
Okay, cool.
(03:34):
Now let's get to the part that really gets me excited.
Okay.
Brain computer interfaces.
Oh yeah.
Or BCIs.
Here we go.
This is where things start to feel like
we've stepped into a science fiction movie.
Yeah.
But it's real.
It is.
And it has the potential to completely transform
how we interact with technology.
Yeah.
(03:54):
So at its core.
Yeah.
A BCI creates a direct connection between your brain.
And a device.
Right.
Allowing you to control that device with your thoughts.
Yeah, and we can broadly categorize BCIs into two types.
Okay.
Invasive and non-invasive.
Not yet.
So invasive BCIs.
Okay.
Like the ones being developed by Neuralink.
(04:15):
Mm-hmm.
Involve implanting electrodes directly into the brain.
Right.
This gives you incredibly precise control.
Okay.
And high resolution data.
Yeah.
But of course it requires surgery.
Now I think when most people hear invasive BCI.
Yeah.
They immediately think of Neuralink.
Right.
And their neural threads that are thinner than a human hair.
(04:36):
Exactly.
They've captured the public imagination.
Yeah.
But there are other players in the invasive BCI space.
Okay.
Like Synchron.
Okay.
They've developed something called the stentrode.
The stentrode?
Yeah.
What is that?
It's a minimally invasive BCI.
Okay.
It's implanted through blood vessels.
Oh wow.
Pretty ingenious.
(04:56):
Definitely.
But what about people who aren't ready for brain surgery?
Well that's where non-invasive BCIs come in.
Okay.
They use external sensors to measure brain activity.
Okay.
Which makes them safer and more portable.
Okay.
Companies like Kernel are working on non-invasive BCIs.
Okay.
That are designed for everyday use.
Okay.
Their Kernel Floyd system for example.
Mm-hmm.
(05:17):
Is already being used for cognitive training.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow, that's amazing.
Right.
I didn't realize it had gotten that far.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
So what can you actually do, oh, with a BCI?
Well, in the medical field,
we're seeing some truly remarkable applications.
Oh yeah, like what?
Think about it.
Okay.
Paralyzed patients regaining movement
using just their thoughts.
(05:38):
Wow.
People with neurological disorders like epilepsy
and Parkinson's finding relief.
Mm-hmm.
And even those with locked in syndrome
being able to communicate again.
That's incredible.
It's amazing to see how BCIs are already changing lives.
Wow, and it's not just about medical applications, right?
No, not at all.
BCIs have the potential to revolutionize
(05:58):
gaming entertainment, even how we work and learn.
Right.
Imagine controlling a video game with your mind
or using neurofeedback to enhance your cognitive abilities.
It's really just the beginning.
That's pretty wild.
Yeah.
So this is all pretty amazing.
It is.
But I'm also wondering about the potential downsides.
Okay.
(06:19):
Are there any risks or ethical concerns
we need to be aware of?
That's a crucial question.
Yeah.
As with any powerful technology.
Right.
There are potential risks
that need to be carefully considered.
So what are some of the specific challenges
and ethical questions we need to be asking?
Okay, so one of the biggest concerns is data security.
Okay.
Imagine if someone were to hack into your BCI.
(06:41):
Right.
And steal your thoughts.
Yeah.
Or even control your actions.
That's a chilling thought.
Yeah, it's a frightening thought.
And what about the potential impact on our sense of self?
Yeah.
You know, if a device is influencing
our thoughts and decisions.
Right.
Does that change who we are?
That raises a really profound question.
Yeah.
About identity and agency.
Yeah.
(07:02):
You know, as BCI has become more sophisticated
and integrated into our lives.
Right.
We need to consider what it means to be human
in an age of brain machine interfaces.
These are definitely some big questions
we need to grapple with.
Absolutely.
But let's move on.
Okay.
Let's sort of look at some of the specific companies.
Yeah.
That are leading the charge in the BCI field.
(07:23):
For sure.
We've already mentioned Neuralink and Synchron.
But there are so many others doing fascinating work.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
So let's dive into that world
and explore the incredible diversity of the BCI landscape.
Let's do it.
Stay with us folks.
We'll be right back.
(07:43):
Welcome back.
We're just talking about the potential risks
and ethical dilemmas with BCIs.
Yeah, some pretty heavy stuff.
Right.
Now we're gonna shift gears a bit
and actually explore some of the companies
at the forefront of this tech revolution.
I'm excited for this part.
Yeah.
It's fascinating to see how different companies
are tackling the challenges and opportunities of BCIs.
(08:05):
Right.
Each with their own unique approach.
Yeah.
We talked about Neuralink and Synchron
and their work on invasive BCIs.
Yeah.
But let's delve into some of the other key players.
Okay.
Like Frac Neurotech for example.
They've been in this field for a while now.
They have, they're one of the pioneers.
Yeah.
Their Utah Array.
Right.
Is considered the gold standard.
(08:25):
Pretty much.
For invasive BCIs in research.
Imagine a tiny grid of electrodes
implanted directly into the brain.
Oh.
Allowing researchers to record
and analyze neural activity with incredible detail.
So they can see what's happening in the brain.
Exactly.
It's been a game changer
for understanding how the brain works.
(08:46):
Wow.
Yeah.
And they've also developed the NeuroPort system, right?
That's being used in clinical settings.
True.
To help patients with paralysis.
Control computers and prosthetic limbs with their thoughts.
It's really amazing to think about it.
It is.
Like people who have lost the ability to move
can now interact with the world in ways
that were just unimaginable a few years ago.
(09:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so let's talk about Kernel.
Okay.
They're taking a different approach.
Yeah.
They're focusing on non-invasive BCIs
that are more accessible and user-friendly.
I'm really intrigued by their Kernel Flow system.
Okay.
Which uses light to measure brain activity.
It's really quite remarkable.
What's impressive about Kernel Flow
(09:29):
is that it's non-invasive.
Right.
Yet it still provides valuable insights
into brain function.
Wow.
So you don't have to have surgery.
Exactly.
You can still learn a lot.
Right.
And people are using it for all sorts of things.
Really?
From cognitive training to mental health monitoring.
That's great.
It's a great example of how BCIs can be used
to enhance our lives in so many different ways.
(09:51):
I think it's amazing how this technology
is becoming more compact and user-friendly.
Right.
Remember those bulky EEG headsets from a few years back?
Oh yeah.
Kernel Flow is a huge leap forward
in terms of portability.
Definitely, and aesthetics.
Now another company that's really pushing the boundaries
in the non-invasive BCI space is Emotive.
(10:14):
Oh yeah.
Emotive.
They've created these sleek and affordable headsets
that have caught the attention of researchers,
gamers, even artists.
It's amazing to see how their headsets are being used
in such diverse applications.
Right.
Like, researchers are using them to study brain activity.
(10:34):
Gamers are using them for these immersive
gaming experiences.
Right.
And artists are even using them to create art
with their minds.
I saw this incredible art installation.
Oh wow.
Where an artist was using an Emotive headset
to control a swarm of drones with their thoughts.
Really?
It was mesmerizing to watch the drones move in sync
with the artist's brain waves.
(10:55):
That sounds really cool.
Yeah, okay, so we've covered BlackRock, NeuroTech,
Kernel, Motive, all doing really amazing work.
Incredible work.
With BCIs.
Yeah.
But there's a couple more companies we need to mention.
Okay, which ones?
Neuroble.
Oh yeah, Neuroble.
And Paradromics.
Right, Paradromics.
They're both kind of pushing the limits
of what's possible with BCIs.
(11:15):
In what way?
Well, Neuroble is really focused on developing systems
for augmented reality and virtual reality applications.
Oh wow, that's where things start to get really futuristic.
Yeah.
Imagine controlling a virtual world with your mind.
Or having information seamlessly overlaid
onto your real world view.
Right.
(11:36):
And then you move through a BCI.
The possibilities are endless.
Yeah, the possibilities for gaming education,
even workplace training are incredible.
And then there's Paradromics,
which is working on these high bandwidth BCIs
that could revolutionize how we communicate
and interact with technology.
Imagine being able to download information
(11:57):
directly into your brain
or communicate with others telepathically.
That sounds straight out of science fiction.
Yeah.
But that's the kind of future
that Paradromics is working towards.
It's mind boggling to think about the potential
of these high bandwidth BCIs.
It really is.
They could completely change how we learn, how we work,
and even how we connect with each other.
It's fascinating, right?
(12:17):
It is.
So it's clear that the field of cybernetics and BCIs
is advancing rapidly.
Oh yeah, at an incredible pace.
Where do you think this is all heading?
That's a great question.
What might the future hold for this technology?
Well, one area that I'm particularly excited about
is the development of even more sophisticated
and user-friendly BCIs.
(12:40):
Okay.
Imagine systems that are so seamless.
They feel like an extension of your own thoughts.
Wow.
No more clunky headsets or invasive surgeries.
Right.
Just pure mind machine integration.
That would be incredible.
It would be revolutionary.
But what about the technical hurdles?
Yeah, that's a good point.
There's still a lot of work to be done.
There is.
(13:01):
In terms of improving signal quality.
Right.
Real-time performance and overall reliability.
You're absolutely right.
Yeah.
There are still significant
technical challenges to overcome.
Yeah.
But researchers are making progress every day.
That's good.
And with these advancements in AI and machine learning,
we can expect BCIs to become
even more powerful and personalized.
(13:21):
Okay.
Imagine BCIs that can learn your individual brain patterns.
Wow.
And adapt to your needs in real time.
That's a fascinating thought.
Yeah.
It's really quite amazing.
It sounds like the future of BCIs is all about
blurring the lines between humans and technology.
I think that's a very accurate way to put it.
But with such powerful advancements.
Yeah.
It's important to remember those ethical considerations
(13:43):
we discussed earlier.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
We need to ensure that these BCIs are developed
and used responsibly.
Right.
With the right space guards in place
to protect privacy, security, and individual autonomy.
So we've got this incredible technology
with the potential to revolutionize our world.
Right.
But we also need to be mindful of the potential risks
(14:06):
and ethical dilemmas.
It's a balancing act for sure.
Yeah.
It's a complex and fascinating landscape to navigate.
It really is.
Yeah.
Well, let's take a moment to reflect
on everything we've discussed so far.
And then delve into some of the broader implications
of BCIs for society as a whole.
So good.
Welcome back everyone.
We've covered a lot of ground in this deep dive.
We have.
(14:26):
From the basic principles of cybernetics.
Yeah.
Mind blowing advancements in brain computer interfaces.
It's been quite a journey.
It has.
Yeah.
We've explored some of the companies
at the forefront of this technological revolution.
Right.
Now let's step back and consider the bigger picture.
Okay.
How might BCIs impact society as a whole?
(14:47):
That is the million dollar question, isn't it?
It is.
BCIs hold immense potential to improve our lives
in countless ways.
Yeah.
But they also raise some really complex questions
about the future we're creating.
Exactly.
We've already touched on some of the ethical concerns
like data security and the potential impact
on our sense of self.
But there are also these broader societal implications
(15:08):
to consider.
Absolutely.
One concern that comes to mind
is the potential for increased inequality.
Imagine a world where the wealthy
can afford cognitive enhancements.
Right.
That give them an advantage in education in the workplace.
Even in social situations.
This could really exacerbate existing disparities.
(15:31):
Yeah.
And create a society divided by access
to these brain enhancing technologies.
That's a sobering thought.
It is.
And what about the potential impact on the workforce?
Ah, that's another big one.
Yeah, if machines aided by these advanced BCIs.
Right.
Can perform tasks that previously required
human intelligence.
(15:51):
What happens to jobs and livelihoods?
Well, it's a valid concern for sure.
Yeah.
With any disruptive technology,
there will be winners and losers.
Right.
Some jobs will inevitably become automated.
Yeah.
While new opportunities will emerge in fields
related to BCI development maintenance and application.
Right, so it's not just about developing the technology.
(16:12):
It's about shaping how that technology
is integrated into society.
Exactly.
And ensuring that the benefits are shared equitably.
That's the key.
Yeah, it's fascinating to think about the possibilities.
It is.
It's also a little daunting, right?
It is a little bit, yeah.
It feels like we're standing at the edge of a new era
where the lines between humans and technology
(16:32):
are becoming increasingly blurred.
We are entering uncharted territory, that's for sure.
Yeah.
But history has shown us that humans
are incredibly adaptable.
That's true.
We've navigated technological revolutions before.
Yeah.
And we'll find a way to navigate this one as well.
Hopefully.
The key is to approach it with curiosity and caution.
Right.
(16:53):
And commitment to using these powerful tools
for the betterment of humanity.
Well said.
Cybernetics and BCIs are a testament to human ingenuity.
They are.
But they also challenge us to think deeply
about our values and our vision for the future.
I think that's a perfect note to end on.
Yeah.
Cybernetics is a mirror reflecting our own potential
(17:14):
and our own choices as we venture further
into this uncharted territory.
Yeah.
Let's do so with a sense of wonder
and a commitment to shaping a future
where technology empowers and enhances our lives.
Right.
While still respecting our shared humanity.
That's it for this deep dive into the world
of cybernetics and brain computer interfaces.
(17:35):
Hope you enjoyed it.
We hope you've enjoyed the journey.
Yeah.
And that it sparked your curiosity to learn more.
Absolutely.
Thanks for joining us.
See you next time.
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