December 26, 2025 • 26 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The story you're about to hear is true. The names
have been changed to protect the innocence.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Dragnet.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide detail. On
the way back to the office, you receive a call.
It's about an attempt at suicide. You're in the immediate
vicinity your job.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Check it out.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Drag met the documented drama of an actual crime. For
the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles
Police Department, you will travel step by step on the
side of the law through an actual case transcribed from
official police violence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
Drag is the story of your police force and action.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
It was Tuesday, March twenty fourth, was windy in Los Angeles.
We were working a night watch out a homicide detail.
My partners Frank Smith, the boss is Captain Mormon.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
My name's Friday.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We were answering an ambulance follow up attempted suicide. It
was eleven fifty two PM when we got the twenty
two ninety six Whitworth Drive front door.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
The place is sherlat up. Yeah, letter, try it again.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
H Yeah, you're the police.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yes, ma'am as Frank Smith's. My name is Friday.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Come on him nice, he's in Mayor to study.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Who is it, Corl Hamlin?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Are you missus Hamlin? Yes, door's locked, U Allen Hammon.
Come on open the door.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
He has a gun, said he was gonna kill himself
this man.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Is there another key to this door? Now we'll give
me a hand, Frank and try to four.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, wait a minute, Wait a minute, let's try it
this way.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Come on, it isn't gonna gift. No, it's another way
into the room.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Man, No, this is the only door.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
How about windows? What windows leading into it?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Off the front porch. Came in here drunk cause.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Scene down this way? Yes, just the window here?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yes, this.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You see anything? Now? Let me have your flashlight. Yeah,
here you go. Yeah, see him there on the floor.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Can't you do something? You might still be alive.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh, screens lock? Have you got something to cut it with?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Just do it?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Try these keys? Yeah, that's got it. Good. Okay, see
if we can get the window open.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, m m, let's him.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I'm gonna have to break this man.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Do who care? As long as you get two in?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Alright, I wanna hold the life for him. Yeah, better
stand back, man, m Can you reach the latch from
there for a minute? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I
got it. I'll give your hand in it, alright.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Can you see if he's still alive just a minute.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
We'll have to get into the room first, ma'am. What's
your step there, John? Yeh, come on to give you
in alright.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
As soon as the ambudence gets here where you'll show
the attenant how to get him.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yes, can you tell if he's alive yet?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
No, ma'am, not yet. I wanna get the door. I'll
check the victim. Yeah, how about it? You know we
better have the attendant look at him. Uh huh. Take
a look at that. I wonder we couldn't force the door. Yeah,
your chair and locked and bolded. You must have wanted
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real privacy. Looks like he's got it.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Now that's the room, right, did yes, ma'am?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Hi? Do you want to wait in there? Man? I
didn't think it really? How about it? Just a matter
no nothing, he's dead, that's wife.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, I'm sorry I have to do this, ma'am, but
there are a.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Couple of things I've got to know.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Go ahehead.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I want to get me his full name, God, heam man,
his age forty three.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Does he live here?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
No?
Speaker 5 (04:41):
We had also run Bronson nine forty seven. Do you
have to go throll this?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
No, that's all Sam and I get the rest of it.
Mary Frank, Yeah, you want to finish up here? Sure?
So soon?
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Wrong?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
God dead? All wrong?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, ma'am. Anything we can get for you? No? Do
you want to go in the other room to sit out? Well,
that's better. I call your doctor. Boy.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I've already called him from my mother. He's on the
way over.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
What is she now?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
The back bedroom she's learned out.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I still think he's been a shocked for its mama.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I understand when I talked to it, he said for
me to give her one.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Till he prescribed most to make your seat.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You could have to talk to her, asked Hell.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I hope you won't have to do it tonight. This
whole thing's been a terrible shock to her. She's not
too well anyway.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I will try to avoid upsetting her any further.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I'd appreciate it more than I could tell you.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
All, Miss Hamlin. A few questions we've got to ask.
If you feel up to answering.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Him, you might as well, get it over with. What
do you wanna know?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Do you wanna tell us what happened?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Well, Carl came over tonight, dropped Carols the big scene.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Your husband doesn't live here?
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Then, no, we're separated.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I see who was here when the shooting took place,
A mother than myself.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Anybody else living here?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
No, just the two of us.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Huh what time did mister Hamlin get here? I'm sure
I was just sleep. I beg your pardon. I was asleep.
I don't know as you weren't expecting him? Then?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
No, No, last time I told him, I told him
to leave me alone, said I'd get a court order
if I had to. Yeah, we've been separated about a
week this time.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
This isn't the first time.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I know there's been other times. This was the worst.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
The tournament was finished, but I didn't want anything more
to do with him. He's been calling here where I
work most of the time. He was drunk, kept acting
for a reconciliation thing out.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
So how he wasn't asking me to take him back. Yeah,
I'm not blaming it all on him. I know some
of it was my fault.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
H you want go on?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
He called me this afternoon and he had to see me.
N had it all worked out that we could get
back together again. I told him I didn't want to
see him. I said for him to stay away.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
I came home and told my mother about it.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Carl might show up, but if he did, I didn't
want to see him.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
All right, goin.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I half expected him to show up, but he didn't.
I went to bed after the ten thirty news. Mother
stayed up to read first. I knew there was anything
wrong when I heard the shot. I got up and
came right downstairs. My mother was standing in front of
the study door. She told me the Carl was inside.
Then he'd shotting stuff. I tried to calling first. I
(07:28):
thought he was saying some kind of a joke. Yeah,
my mother said she'd heard Carl fall down in the room.
I called you right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Away, job, No, what do you got the OA slip?
I'll put on a call the photo lab in the corner. Okay.
I checked the gun. It's thirty eight revolver. One shot
fired and when it fits with the story, and I
just got from his wife, m M. I'll make the call.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Something wonder if I could use your phone, missus, Hamma,
what like to use.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Your phone place.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Oh, it's in the hall on the table there.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Thank you. Did your mother tell you what happened?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yes, in a way. Why do you mean that she's
over seventy seche and Friday. Thing like this isn't easy
to go through at that age. You see, My mother
and Karl didn't get along. He always said that she
caused the trouble between us. Told me a couple of
times that she'd keep her nose out of our business.
We might be able to get along.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Uh huh. Wonder if it be possible for us to
talk to her?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
You have to, yes, ma'am, we do.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I'll go see Ah, thank you, cruise on the way, Joe.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Can it be more policemen out here.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes, ma'am. We'll try to make it as brief as possible.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I'd appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
We'll do everything we can.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
I'll go get my mother.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Thank you. She gave you the story as much as
she knew. What do you mean now?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
She said she wasn't in the room at the time
her mother saw it happen.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Uh. Did she turn anything in the other room? Mm mm.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Soon as we get a statement from her mother in
the corner, he gets here, we wouldn't shove off.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Yeah, you can sit over here, mother, Yes, dear, these
men want to ask you some questions.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
This is my mother, missus Gaylor gory to Friday. This
is off for Smith.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
How do you do?
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Man?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
All right? Man? How you do?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We'll try to make this as brief as possible in
Miss Galer, just a couple of questions.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We've got to asked you go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
If you get tired, mother, you tell him any else stop?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Did and what time did your son in law get
here tonight?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I'm not sure. I think it was about eleven thirty.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Now I told me mister Hamler might be coming over
at that time of night. You'd hard to expect anybody
to come calling.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Would you know, ma'am?
Speaker 7 (09:26):
He did? He always was doing something no one else did.
I think he just sat around and tried to figure
things to do that was different like tonight, came in drunk,
yelled about how he wanted to have a show down.
I didn't know what he was talking about, started to
yell at me, told me how the split up was
my fault, started to curse at me. M I'm seventy three,
(09:49):
mister Friday.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I've seen a lot of things that a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
It isn't anybody who's gonna talk to me like that.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
I told him, mister Hamlin, told him to get out
of the house. That's when he pulled his gun out
of his pocket. Yes, ma'am, had it right in his
coat outside pocket.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I see. I told him.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
I said, mister Hamlon, you just stop this foolishness and
get out of here.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
That's what I.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Said to him, ma'am.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
He just looked at me and said, yeah, you'd like that,
wouldn't you. Those are the exact words. Then he told
me how he's gonna kill himself to show me. I
thought it was some kind of dramatics to Hamler. Was
that kind you know, always play acting around? Yes, ma'am,
not this time. Next thing I know, he run into
the study and locked the door. After that, there was
a shot and I heard him fall down right then
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when Nora came in the room.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Oh, I'm in Galler. I think we have all the
information we need.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Now, Okay, if I go to bed then, yes, ma'am,
good night.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Then you ought to help me there, yes matter, I'll
be right with you. I'll be waiting up for you.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Mister Friday.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yes, better.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Anything more you want to know about mister Hamlon, I'll
tell you no.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't think there'll be anything else, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
If there is, i'll tell you all.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Right, Thank you, Miss Gaylor.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I'll be in my room though. All right, mother, I'll
be right there. It's taking this a lot better than
that touch.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
She would with Hamlin.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yes, did your husband ever talked about suicide before?
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yeah, several times, just this last week. I thought he
was being dramatic. Again. I didn't pay much attention to him.
It's so hard to tell if he.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Was drunk or if he really meant some people well
he is, we were married. I don't think he was
ever really serious.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You got it wrong, haven't you?
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Hmm?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He was this time.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
One fourteen am. The photographer got to the house and.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Took pictures of the room.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
The coroner removed the body to the County morgue, and
at two thirty seven am Frank and I left the house.
We went back to the office and filled out the
three point eleven point one for him, listing the death
of Karl Martin.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Hamilon as a suicide.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Frank called the coroner's office to find when we could
get the results of the autopsy, but he told us
we'd have a necessary information late that afternoon three eighteen am.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
We signed out of the office and went home.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
At ten fifteen that morning, we got a call from
Ray Pinker. He asked us to come right over to
the crying lab.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Were running the routine check this morning. Came up with
a couple of things. I think you'd like to know,
all right, what you got, Ray?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, take a look.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
This is the bullet we fired from the gun found
in the victim's hand.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
No, there you can see ways one hundred and thirty grains.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Now, this is a bullet that killed a man. H
take a look, and it's all out of shape. See
anything else, Well, we'll a right to me.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, what are you building, Ray? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I checked this one pretty carefully, made sure that all
of it was here. You know that none of the
lead had been sheared off, my bone tissue not missing,
It's complete.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Now take a look, you know. Let me put this
one on the scales. Now check it yourself. Ninety five grains, yeah,
thirty five grains.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Different.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Let me show you something else here. I figured the
link to both bullets. They don't check out either. What's
it mean, Ray, bullet that killed a hand one the
three eighty's European calibration. The gun he had in his
hands a thirty eight revolver. Yeah, three eighties automatic ammunition.
Still this fellow Hammon pulled a pretty neat trick.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Well, what do you mean, Ray, He.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Killed himself with a bullet that couldn't possibly be fired
from the gun he was holding.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Huh something, you're out of place?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, as the world tear up the forms you filled
out on this one. No suicide. Yeah, you gotta find
a murder gun.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
You are listening to Dragnet the authentic story of your
police force elections.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Eleven twelve am, Frank and I, along with Ray Pinker,
left the crime lab and we drove out to see
Norah Hamlin. From the physical evidence on hand, the way
the door had been locked, and the fact that the
windows had been bolted from the inside, it appeared unlikely
that anybody could have left the room after Carl Hamlin
had been shot. Yet, from the information we'd gotten from Pinker,
there had to be another gun involved in the killing.
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Eleven twenty four am. We got to the house on
with more drive.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Good morning, I didn't expect to see you back soon.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You want to come in, yes, ma'am Ms Hamlin, this
is mister Pinker from our crime lab.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Ray, Miss Hamlin, it's nice to know you, mister Pinker.
How do I have some more questions you have to ask?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yes? Man, that's right. What if we could take another
look at the study?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Sure didn't the man who were here last night get
what they needed?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Or we just like to check it again with mister
Pinker here?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
H Well you know where it is.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
How's your mother feeling this morning?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
She had a good sleep. The doctor gave her a sentative.
She's still in bed.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
We'll try not to disturb her.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Well, you go ahead with what you have to do.
I'm trying to get the house in order. There's anything
you want, I'll be across the hall.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Thank you. Thanks. Got over here right, that's where we found.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Him, see there where we had to break the window
to get in.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Right. Yeah, you got that sketch you made last night? Yeah, yeah,
it gonna take a look right.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, things see.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And body was about here, we're here, and the feet
we're about here.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's about right in the joke. Yeah, it's right next
to the chair there. That's the way I got it there,
just about on the perfect line between the floor lamp
and the chair over there. M what about the gun
in his right hand?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Was a gun in his hand when you found him?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, that's right. Pictures from the photo level.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
There that out.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Sure he's out in the left field. What I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I talked to Doc Newbar when he sent the bullet
over where he described the wound. It's pretty tough to
buy that the right handed man could shoot himself. So
the slugger end up word did exactly?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
How do you mean?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Well, the bullet entered just to the right of the
center of his chest about here, uh huh, came to
rest under the right arm here, lying the travel's way off.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh. Sure would have been an easier way to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Huh Yeah. What about the door when you found it?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm sure you thought it was a locked You mean
that chair for him? Yeah? Yeah, uh, key was turned,
bolt was thrown, and then this chair was popped up
under the knob like this.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
How about the key was it selling the lock?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Sure, looks like he meant the door to stay shut.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, we could figure that place.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Looks pretty solid.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Plaster walls.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Not much chance on anybody getting through 'em.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
He checked the bookcases, What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And he of 'em pulled away from the wall.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Well, I looked at him last night. They all seemed
solid than that. You got any ideas, right?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I don't know where that door looks. Rest of the
room doesn't seem likely. Anybody coulda shot him then gone
outside and locked the door.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You think they could have come in through the window
if you had to break it? Yeah, well I had
to set up.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You shouldn't have any trouble finding the suspect. What do
you mean find a butler built like an envelope?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Mighty fine?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You didn't see a shellcasing around last night, did you?
There wasn't any reason to look for mm hmm, there's
no sign of one. Now, looks like the room's been cleaned.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Ah well, I guess we better check with a ham
on the woman. Uh ain't get this stuff right from
the door. There this hamler, this hamlin.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Oh, yes, just a minute, something you want.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yes, ma'am? Has anybody been in the study since we
left last night?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
I didn't know. I wasn't supposed to. You didn't say
anything about it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, did you clean the room?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Yes, I told you I was straightening up the hot
around the vacuum.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Here.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Did you see an empty shellcasing?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh it looks like this, ma'am. See grass part on
this bullet?
Speaker 5 (17:57):
No, I didn't see anything like that.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Have you empties you cleaned since you used it this morning? No,
wonder if we could see it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I don't understand what this is all about. But if
you want to see the vacuum, I'll get it.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
If you want to tell me what it is, I'll
get it for you.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
It's no trouble in the closet. Here in the hall, they.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Give you a hand with it.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
It's not heavy.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Want the attachments to no man, just the cleaner itself.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
All right, It is.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
All right if we use the piece of this news there.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Sure, go ahead, because you know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's the way you take the dusk bag out.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
I just flip that little catch on the on the
side there. If you'll tell me what you're looking for,
I m might be able to help.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Not about it right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Here it is three eighty.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah, what's all that means?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Do you have another gun in the house. Ms hammer No,
pretty sure about that? Yes?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
What makes you think it might be another one?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Uh? How many shots did you hear last night? Ms? Hammers?
What do you mean with just that? How many shots
did you hear? One? Be sure about that?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Why we've got reason to believe that there were two
shots fire?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
What difference does it make? How many there were?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Pretty big difference.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Why is it important my husband killed himself? Can't be sure?
How many I heard?
Speaker 7 (19:15):
One?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Two, three, a half a dozen? What difference does it make?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Well, it's trying to explain it to you. Your husband
was holding a thirty eight caliber revolver when we found him,
but the bullet that killed him came from a three
eighty automatic.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
I don't know what you're talking about. What are you
trying to say?
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Why don't you understand this? Your husband didn't kill himself.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
You're not serious?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Afraid we are?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Man, This whole thing is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
The evidence makes it true.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Who'd kill him?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Who'd have a reason?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
We'd like to know that too. What'd you get your mother's? Please?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
What do you want to talk to her about?
Speaker 6 (19:49):
What if it gets for I'm not gonna have her
dragged into anything she's had enough trouble.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
There's no reason for you to make any more.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
No worry about it.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Noah, mother, you shouldn't be out of bed.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I heard is it talking?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I've been listening. I haven't seen you before.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You a policeman too, No, man, I'm a right thinker.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
How do you do?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Guess?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
He Gaylor, Nora's mother.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Alright, now, that's all this about mister Hamler not killing himself.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's right, missus Gaylor?
Speaker 7 (20:18):
What makes you think.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
It is a lot of things? Do you have a
gun in the house?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You mean a pistol?
Speaker 5 (20:23):
That's right, Mike.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Why where is it in.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The table there?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Left hand drawer?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I get it? How about three A? That gun belong
to you, Miss Gailey?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yes, my husband had it.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
All y's talk about mister Hamlin. If you didn't kill himself,
who do you think did well.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That's what we're trying to find out.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Uh huh, said, you got somebody you're looking at, haven't
you somebody you figure did it?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
This is your gun?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You're the only person who witnessed the shooting, that's right.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, why don't you tell us about it?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Because of a d You'd never believe it.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
We'll give us a trying, all right.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Mister Hamlin came here last night. Like I said, he
was drunk, came in and started yelling. I was sitting
in that chair reading.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
He decided to.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Curse at me. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
I didn't pay him my mind, told him to go away,
but Nora was through with him.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
He wouldn't go, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
All of a sudden, he pulled out a gun and
started waving it around. Said if I didn't get Noah.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
He'd kill himself. I thought it was just some more
of his play acting.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I didn't pay any attention to him. Figured when he
was through he'd go away.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
I went back to the book, made him matter never.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He grabbed the book out of my hand and.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Shot shot right at it.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Then he threw it into the fireplace.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
He threw your book into the fireplace. Is that right?
Speaker 7 (21:50):
That's right. Just all of a sudden something happened to me.
Don't think I've ever been so mad.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I took the gun out of the table then shot him.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
He got real scared right into the study, close the
door behind him. I heard him lock the door move
something up to the door must have been the chair yeah,
I guess it.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Was right after that.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I heard him fall down.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Right after that, Nora came in the room.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Why didn't you tell me? Mother? Wasn't any reason to.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I had to think about it, but I'd done what
I had to do.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I was gonna call you men this morning and.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Tell you the truth.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I really was.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You believe that, Oh, I guess so.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
I really was just all of a sudden last night
when he shot my book. I never been some mad.
I really wanted to kill him.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You remember it all pretty well, don't you.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yes, I do all of it.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Do you wanna get a coats gaming? Let's take you downtown?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yes, sir, I'll do it right away.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What it was the fact? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Is it going to be all right?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We don't decide that, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
But she told the truth. Isn't that going to make
a difference.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
We'll put it down, manway. I want to get that book, ray,
We're gonna need it.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Yeah, she didn't say a word about it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, I know this story is still pretty high to
believe in this.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Here are.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Here's the book.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Hamblon shot slugs still in it.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's like I'm thirty eight might have made her mad
enough to kill him.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Yeah, what is it, mister Friday.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Holy Bible, the story you have just heard is true.
The names were changed to protect the innocent.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
On July fourteenth, trial was held in Department ninety six,
Superior Court of the State of California in and Paul,
the County of Los Angeles. Jesse Margaret Gaylor was examined
by three psychiatrists appointed by the court and fond to
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be insane during the commission of the crime. A sanity
hearing was held and she was made a ward of
the state. She was placed in the State Hospital at
Mendocino for treatment.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
This week, a group of men are meeting in New.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Orleans for the sixty first Annual Conference of the International
Association of Chiefs of Police.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
DRAGNET is pleased to extend its.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Best wishes to our top law enforcement officers and to
thank them for the protection they give our homes and families.
May their convention be an outstanding success.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Dragnet. The Story of your Police Force.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
In Action is the presentation of the United States Armed
Forces Radio Service.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
That's about m
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The story you're about to hear is true. The names
have been changed to protect the innocence.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Dragnet.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide detail. On
the way back to the office, you receive a call.
It's about an attempt at suicide. You're in the immediate
vicinity your job.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Check it out.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Drag met the documented drama of an actual crime. For
the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles
Police Department, you will travel step by step on the
side of the law through an actual case transcribed from
official police violence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
Drag is the story of your police force and action.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
It was Tuesday, March twenty fourth, was windy in Los Angeles.
We were working a night watch out a homicide detail.
My partners Frank Smith, the boss is Captain Mormon.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
My name's Friday.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We were answering an ambulance follow up attempted suicide. It
was eleven fifty two PM when we got the twenty
two ninety six Whitworth Drive front door.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
The place is sherlat up. Yeah, letter, try it again.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
H Yeah, you're the police.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yes, ma'am as Frank Smith's. My name is Friday.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Come on him nice, he's in Mayor to study.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Who is it, Corl Hamlin?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Are you missus Hamlin? Yes, door's locked, U Allen Hammon.
Come on open the door.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
He has a gun, said he was gonna kill himself
this man.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Is there another key to this door? Now we'll give
me a hand, Frank and try to four.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, wait a minute, Wait a minute, let's try it
this way.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Come on, it isn't gonna gift. No, it's another way
into the room.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Man, No, this is the only door.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
How about windows? What windows leading into it?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Off the front porch. Came in here drunk cause.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Scene down this way? Yes, just the window here?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yes, this.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You see anything? Now? Let me have your flashlight. Yeah,
here you go. Yeah, see him there on the floor.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Can't you do something? You might still be alive.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Oh, screens lock? Have you got something to cut it with?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Just do it?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Try these keys? Yeah, that's got it. Good. Okay, see
if we can get the window open.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, m m, let's him.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I'm gonna have to break this man.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Do who care? As long as you get two in?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Alright, I wanna hold the life for him. Yeah, better
stand back, man, m Can you reach the latch from
there for a minute? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I
got it. I'll give your hand in it, alright.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Can you see if he's still alive just a minute.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
We'll have to get into the room first, ma'am. What's
your step there, John? Yeh, come on to give you
in alright.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
As soon as the ambudence gets here where you'll show
the attenant how to get him.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yes, can you tell if he's alive yet?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
No, ma'am, not yet. I wanna get the door. I'll
check the victim. Yeah, how about it? You know we
better have the attendant look at him. Uh huh. Take
a look at that. I wonder we couldn't force the door. Yeah,
your chair and locked and bolded. You must have wanted
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real privacy. Looks like he's got it.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Now that's the room, right, did yes, ma'am?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Hi? Do you want to wait in there? Man? I
didn't think it really? How about it? Just a matter
no nothing, he's dead, that's wife.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, I'm sorry I have to do this, ma'am, but
there are a.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Couple of things I've got to know.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Go ahehead.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I want to get me his full name, God, heam man,
his age forty three.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Does he live here?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
No?
Speaker 5 (04:41):
We had also run Bronson nine forty seven. Do you
have to go throll this?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
No, that's all Sam and I get the rest of it.
Mary Frank, Yeah, you want to finish up here? Sure?
So soon?
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Wrong?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
God dead? All wrong?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, ma'am. Anything we can get for you? No? Do
you want to go in the other room to sit out? Well,
that's better. I call your doctor. Boy.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I've already called him from my mother. He's on the
way over.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
What is she now?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
The back bedroom she's learned out.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I still think he's been a shocked for its mama.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I understand when I talked to it, he said for
me to give her one.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Till he prescribed most to make your seat.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You could have to talk to her, asked Hell.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I hope you won't have to do it tonight. This
whole thing's been a terrible shock to her. She's not
too well anyway.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I will try to avoid upsetting her any further.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I'd appreciate it more than I could tell you.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
All, Miss Hamlin. A few questions we've got to ask.
If you feel up to answering.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Him, you might as well, get it over with. What
do you wanna know?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Do you wanna tell us what happened?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Well, Carl came over tonight, dropped Carols the big scene.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Your husband doesn't live here?
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Then, no, we're separated.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I see who was here when the shooting took place,
A mother than myself.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Anybody else living here?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
No, just the two of us.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Huh what time did mister Hamlin get here? I'm sure
I was just sleep. I beg your pardon. I was asleep.
I don't know as you weren't expecting him? Then?
Speaker 5 (06:12):
No, No, last time I told him, I told him
to leave me alone, said I'd get a court order
if I had to. Yeah, we've been separated about a
week this time.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
This isn't the first time.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I know there's been other times. This was the worst.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
The tournament was finished, but I didn't want anything more
to do with him. He's been calling here where I
work most of the time. He was drunk, kept acting
for a reconciliation thing out.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
So how he wasn't asking me to take him back. Yeah,
I'm not blaming it all on him. I know some
of it was my fault.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
H you want go on?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
He called me this afternoon and he had to see me.
N had it all worked out that we could get
back together again. I told him I didn't want to
see him. I said for him to stay away.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
I came home and told my mother about it.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Carl might show up, but if he did, I didn't
want to see him.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
All right, goin.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I half expected him to show up, but he didn't.
I went to bed after the ten thirty news. Mother
stayed up to read first. I knew there was anything
wrong when I heard the shot. I got up and
came right downstairs. My mother was standing in front of
the study door. She told me the Carl was inside.
Then he'd shotting stuff. I tried to calling first. I
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thought he was saying some kind of a joke. Yeah,
my mother said she'd heard Carl fall down in the room.
I called you right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Away, job, No, what do you got the OA slip?
I'll put on a call the photo lab in the corner. Okay.
I checked the gun. It's thirty eight revolver. One shot
fired and when it fits with the story, and I
just got from his wife, m M. I'll make the call.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Something wonder if I could use your phone, missus, Hamma,
what like to use.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Your phone place.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Oh, it's in the hall on the table there.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Thank you. Did your mother tell you what happened?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yes, in a way. Why do you mean that she's
over seventy seche and Friday. Thing like this isn't easy
to go through at that age. You see, My mother
and Karl didn't get along. He always said that she
caused the trouble between us. Told me a couple of
times that she'd keep her nose out of our business.
We might be able to get along.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Uh huh. Wonder if it be possible for us to
talk to her?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
You have to, yes, ma'am, we do.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I'll go see Ah, thank you, cruise on the way, Joe.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Can it be more policemen out here.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes, ma'am. We'll try to make it as brief as possible.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I'd appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
We'll do everything we can.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
I'll go get my mother.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Thank you. She gave you the story as much as
she knew. What do you mean now?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
She said she wasn't in the room at the time
her mother saw it happen.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Uh. Did she turn anything in the other room? Mm mm.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Soon as we get a statement from her mother in
the corner, he gets here, we wouldn't shove off.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Yeah, you can sit over here, mother, Yes, dear, these
men want to ask you some questions.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
This is my mother, missus Gaylor gory to Friday. This
is off for Smith.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
How do you do?
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Man?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
All right? Man? How you do?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We'll try to make this as brief as possible in
Miss Galer, just a couple of questions.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We've got to asked you go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
If you get tired, mother, you tell him any else stop?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Did and what time did your son in law get
here tonight?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I'm not sure. I think it was about eleven thirty.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Now I told me mister Hamler might be coming over
at that time of night. You'd hard to expect anybody
to come calling.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Would you know, ma'am?
Speaker 7 (09:26):
He did? He always was doing something no one else did.
I think he just sat around and tried to figure
things to do that was different like tonight, came in drunk,
yelled about how he wanted to have a show down.
I didn't know what he was talking about, started to
yell at me, told me how the split up was
my fault, started to curse at me. M I'm seventy three,
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mister Friday.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I've seen a lot of things that a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
It isn't anybody who's gonna talk to me like that.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
I told him, mister Hamlin, told him to get out
of the house. That's when he pulled his gun out
of his pocket. Yes, ma'am, had it right in his
coat outside pocket.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I see. I told him.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
I said, mister Hamlon, you just stop this foolishness and
get out of here.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
That's what I.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Said to him, ma'am.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
He just looked at me and said, yeah, you'd like that,
wouldn't you. Those are the exact words. Then he told
me how he's gonna kill himself to show me. I
thought it was some kind of dramatics to Hamler. Was
that kind you know, always play acting around? Yes, ma'am,
not this time. Next thing I know, he run into
the study and locked the door. After that, there was
a shot and I heard him fall down right then
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when Nora came in the room.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Oh, I'm in Galler. I think we have all the
information we need.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Now, Okay, if I go to bed then, yes, ma'am,
good night.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Then you ought to help me there, yes matter, I'll
be right with you. I'll be waiting up for you.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Mister Friday.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yes, better.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Anything more you want to know about mister Hamlon, I'll
tell you no.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't think there'll be anything else, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
If there is, i'll tell you all.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Right, Thank you, Miss Gaylor.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I'll be in my room though. All right, mother, I'll
be right there. It's taking this a lot better than
that touch.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
She would with Hamlin.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yes, did your husband ever talked about suicide before?
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yeah, several times, just this last week. I thought he
was being dramatic. Again. I didn't pay much attention to him.
It's so hard to tell if he.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Was drunk or if he really meant some people well
he is, we were married. I don't think he was
ever really serious.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You got it wrong, haven't you?
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Hmm?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He was this time.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
One fourteen am. The photographer got to the house and.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Took pictures of the room.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
The coroner removed the body to the County morgue, and
at two thirty seven am Frank and I left the house.
We went back to the office and filled out the
three point eleven point one for him, listing the death
of Karl Martin.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Hamilon as a suicide.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Frank called the coroner's office to find when we could
get the results of the autopsy, but he told us
we'd have a necessary information late that afternoon three eighteen am.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
We signed out of the office and went home.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
At ten fifteen that morning, we got a call from
Ray Pinker. He asked us to come right over to
the crying lab.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Were running the routine check this morning. Came up with
a couple of things. I think you'd like to know,
all right, what you got, Ray?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, take a look.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
This is the bullet we fired from the gun found
in the victim's hand.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
No, there you can see ways one hundred and thirty grains.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Now, this is a bullet that killed a man. H
take a look, and it's all out of shape. See
anything else, Well, we'll a right to me.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, what are you building, Ray? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I checked this one pretty carefully, made sure that all
of it was here. You know that none of the
lead had been sheared off, my bone tissue not missing,
It's complete.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Now take a look, you know. Let me put this
one on the scales. Now check it yourself. Ninety five grains, yeah,
thirty five grains.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Different.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Let me show you something else here. I figured the
link to both bullets. They don't check out either. What's
it mean, Ray, bullet that killed a hand one the
three eighty's European calibration. The gun he had in his
hands a thirty eight revolver. Yeah, three eighties automatic ammunition.
Still this fellow Hammon pulled a pretty neat trick.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Well, what do you mean, Ray, He.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Killed himself with a bullet that couldn't possibly be fired
from the gun he was holding.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Huh something, you're out of place?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, as the world tear up the forms you filled
out on this one. No suicide. Yeah, you gotta find
a murder gun.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
You are listening to Dragnet the authentic story of your
police force elections.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Eleven twelve am, Frank and I, along with Ray Pinker,
left the crime lab and we drove out to see
Norah Hamlin. From the physical evidence on hand, the way
the door had been locked, and the fact that the
windows had been bolted from the inside, it appeared unlikely
that anybody could have left the room after Carl Hamlin
had been shot. Yet, from the information we'd gotten from Pinker,
there had to be another gun involved in the killing.
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Eleven twenty four am. We got to the house on
with more drive.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Good morning, I didn't expect to see you back soon.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You want to come in, yes, ma'am Ms Hamlin, this
is mister Pinker from our crime lab.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Ray, Miss Hamlin, it's nice to know you, mister Pinker.
How do I have some more questions you have to ask?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yes? Man, that's right. What if we could take another
look at the study?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Sure didn't the man who were here last night get
what they needed?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Or we just like to check it again with mister
Pinker here?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
H Well you know where it is.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
How's your mother feeling this morning?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
She had a good sleep. The doctor gave her a sentative.
She's still in bed.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
We'll try not to disturb her.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Well, you go ahead with what you have to do.
I'm trying to get the house in order. There's anything
you want, I'll be across the hall.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Thank you. Thanks. Got over here right, that's where we found.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Him, see there where we had to break the window
to get in.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Right. Yeah, you got that sketch you made last night? Yeah, yeah,
it gonna take a look right.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, things see.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And body was about here, we're here, and the feet
we're about here.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's about right in the joke. Yeah, it's right next
to the chair there. That's the way I got it there,
just about on the perfect line between the floor lamp
and the chair over there. M what about the gun
in his right hand?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Was a gun in his hand when you found him?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, that's right. Pictures from the photo level.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
There that out.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Sure he's out in the left field. What I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I talked to Doc Newbar when he sent the bullet
over where he described the wound. It's pretty tough to
buy that the right handed man could shoot himself. So
the slugger end up word did exactly?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
How do you mean?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Well, the bullet entered just to the right of the
center of his chest about here, uh huh, came to
rest under the right arm here, lying the travel's way off.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh. Sure would have been an easier way to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Huh Yeah. What about the door when you found it?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm sure you thought it was a locked You mean
that chair for him? Yeah? Yeah, uh, key was turned,
bolt was thrown, and then this chair was popped up
under the knob like this.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
How about the key was it selling the lock?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Sure, looks like he meant the door to stay shut.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, we could figure that place.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Looks pretty solid.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Plaster walls.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Not much chance on anybody getting through 'em.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
He checked the bookcases, What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And he of 'em pulled away from the wall.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Well, I looked at him last night. They all seemed
solid than that. You got any ideas, right?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I don't know where that door looks. Rest of the
room doesn't seem likely. Anybody coulda shot him then gone
outside and locked the door.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You think they could have come in through the window
if you had to break it? Yeah, well I had
to set up.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You shouldn't have any trouble finding the suspect. What do
you mean find a butler built like an envelope?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Mighty fine?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You didn't see a shellcasing around last night, did you?
There wasn't any reason to look for mm hmm, there's
no sign of one. Now, looks like the room's been cleaned.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Ah well, I guess we better check with a ham
on the woman. Uh ain't get this stuff right from
the door. There this hamler, this hamlin.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Oh, yes, just a minute, something you want.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yes, ma'am? Has anybody been in the study since we
left last night?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
I didn't know. I wasn't supposed to. You didn't say
anything about it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, did you clean the room?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Yes, I told you I was straightening up the hot
around the vacuum.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Here.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Did you see an empty shellcasing?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh it looks like this, ma'am. See grass part on
this bullet?
Speaker 5 (17:57):
No, I didn't see anything like that.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Have you empties you cleaned since you used it this morning? No,
wonder if we could see it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I don't understand what this is all about. But if
you want to see the vacuum, I'll get it.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
If you want to tell me what it is, I'll
get it for you.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
It's no trouble in the closet. Here in the hall, they.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Give you a hand with it.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
It's not heavy.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Want the attachments to no man, just the cleaner itself.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
All right, It is.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
All right if we use the piece of this news there.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Sure, go ahead, because you know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's the way you take the dusk bag out.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
I just flip that little catch on the on the
side there. If you'll tell me what you're looking for,
I m might be able to help.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Not about it right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Here it is three eighty.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah, what's all that means?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Do you have another gun in the house. Ms hammer No,
pretty sure about that? Yes?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
What makes you think it might be another one?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Uh? How many shots did you hear last night? Ms? Hammers?
What do you mean with just that? How many shots
did you hear? One? Be sure about that?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Why we've got reason to believe that there were two
shots fire?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
What difference does it make? How many there were?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Pretty big difference.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Why is it important my husband killed himself? Can't be sure?
How many I heard?
Speaker 7 (19:15):
One?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Two, three, a half a dozen? What difference does it make?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Well, it's trying to explain it to you. Your husband
was holding a thirty eight caliber revolver when we found him,
but the bullet that killed him came from a three
eighty automatic.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
I don't know what you're talking about. What are you
trying to say?
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Why don't you understand this? Your husband didn't kill himself.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
You're not serious?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Afraid we are?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Man, This whole thing is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
The evidence makes it true.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
Who'd kill him?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Who'd have a reason?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
We'd like to know that too. What'd you get your mother's? Please?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
What do you want to talk to her about?
Speaker 6 (19:49):
What if it gets for I'm not gonna have her
dragged into anything she's had enough trouble.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
There's no reason for you to make any more.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
No worry about it.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Noah, mother, you shouldn't be out of bed.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I heard is it talking?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I've been listening. I haven't seen you before.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
You a policeman too, No, man, I'm a right thinker.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
How do you do?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Guess?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
He Gaylor, Nora's mother.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Alright, now, that's all this about mister Hamler not killing himself.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's right, missus Gaylor?
Speaker 7 (20:18):
What makes you think.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
It is a lot of things? Do you have a
gun in the house?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You mean a pistol?
Speaker 5 (20:23):
That's right, Mike.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Why where is it in.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The table there?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Left hand drawer?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I get it? How about three A? That gun belong
to you, Miss Gailey?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yes, my husband had it.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
All y's talk about mister Hamlin. If you didn't kill himself,
who do you think did well.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That's what we're trying to find out.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Uh huh, said, you got somebody you're looking at, haven't
you somebody you figure did it?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
This is your gun?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You're the only person who witnessed the shooting, that's right.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, why don't you tell us about it?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Because of a d You'd never believe it.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
We'll give us a trying, all right.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Mister Hamlin came here last night. Like I said, he
was drunk, came in and started yelling. I was sitting
in that chair reading.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
He decided to.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Curse at me. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
I didn't pay him my mind, told him to go away,
but Nora was through with him.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
He wouldn't go, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
All of a sudden, he pulled out a gun and
started waving it around. Said if I didn't get Noah.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
He'd kill himself. I thought it was just some more
of his play acting.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I didn't pay any attention to him. Figured when he
was through he'd go away.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
I went back to the book, made him matter never.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He grabbed the book out of my hand and.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Shot shot right at it.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Then he threw it into the fireplace.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
He threw your book into the fireplace. Is that right?
Speaker 7 (21:50):
That's right. Just all of a sudden something happened to me.
Don't think I've ever been so mad.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I took the gun out of the table then shot him.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
He got real scared right into the study, close the
door behind him. I heard him lock the door move
something up to the door must have been the chair yeah,
I guess it.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Was right after that.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I heard him fall down.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Right after that, Nora came in the room.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Why didn't you tell me? Mother? Wasn't any reason to.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I had to think about it, but I'd done what
I had to do.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I was gonna call you men this morning and.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Tell you the truth.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I really was.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You believe that, Oh, I guess so.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
I really was just all of a sudden last night
when he shot my book. I never been some mad.
I really wanted to kill him.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You remember it all pretty well, don't you.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yes, I do all of it.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Do you wanna get a coats gaming? Let's take you downtown?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yes, sir, I'll do it right away.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What it was the fact? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Is it going to be all right?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We don't decide that, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
But she told the truth. Isn't that going to make
a difference.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
We'll put it down, manway. I want to get that book, ray,
We're gonna need it.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Yeah, she didn't say a word about it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, I know this story is still pretty high to
believe in this.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Here are.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Here's the book.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Hamblon shot slugs still in it.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's like I'm thirty eight might have made her mad
enough to kill him.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Yeah, what is it, mister Friday.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Holy Bible, the story you have just heard is true.
The names were changed to protect the innocent.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
On July fourteenth, trial was held in Department ninety six,
Superior Court of the State of California in and Paul,
the County of Los Angeles. Jesse Margaret Gaylor was examined
by three psychiatrists appointed by the court and fond to
(24:08):
be insane during the commission of the crime. A sanity
hearing was held and she was made a ward of
the state. She was placed in the State Hospital at
Mendocino for treatment.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
This week, a group of men are meeting in New.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Orleans for the sixty first Annual Conference of the International
Association of Chiefs of Police.
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DRAGNET is pleased to extend its.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
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