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September 23, 2025 54 mins

Growth is at the centre of Labour's political programme, and with Rachel Revees' nod to airport expansion many have wondered if climate goals will take a hit in pursuit of the economy.


But what is behind the Heathrow story and what does it tell us about the wider thinking in Treasury on public infrastructure and climate in the UK. Today we're joined by Alex Chapman from the New Economics Foundation, who explains why the Heathrow decision won't lead to the growth that government is hoping for, and what this all says about the state of British infrastructure writ-large.


We cover everything from airports to energy networks and merits of a wealth tax in a wide-ranging discussion on the state of Britain.


The show is hosted by Sulaiman Ilyas-Jarrett, former senior government advisor at the UK Department for Energy Security and Net Zero and the No10 Policy Unit, and a Fellow at the University of Cambridge Centre for Science and Policy.



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