Defying Norms with Humor and Heart (CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
AHHHHH, and the AD is outside the door like, can you
make we need you on set.
We need you on set and she'slike THERE'S A FUCKING.
Emergency From underneath mylegs, like-.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Five, four, three, two, one Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
What is it?
I don't know.
That's not the song at all,right.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
What song, I don't know.
Maybe you're writing it, maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hey, phelan, you had a week, didn't you?
So when we?
Yeah, of course we did, ofcourse we did.
You did a lot of things thisweek.
Today, this week was a veryphysical week.
You did, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
How am I like physically?
How am I feeling?
Nobody ever asks me that.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
How physically are you feeling?
Well, that's kind of nice, hangon, that's kind of nice.
That means they're moreconcerned with your mental
health, I assume right.
They're like how are you doing?
Or spiritually Maybe they'relike spiritually, like hey, hey,
how you doing.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
How you doing, are you okay?
Kid you all right?
Yeah, are they?
They're East Coast.
Well, yeah, my whole family isEast Coast.
Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, yeah, that Mulroney clan goes deep.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Virginia Most of them .
No oh no no, no no, no, no, no,no, they're all New England.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, New.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
York.
So my dad's from Long Islandand my mom is from.
She grew up in Virginia Beachbut she was from Maryland.
So like that side of the family, my grandma's from Philadelphia
, my grandpa's from Maryland,and they met there.
And then my mom moved toManhattan after college for work
because she wanted to be thatgirl.

(02:19):
There was a television showcalled that Girl or something
like that, and she was like yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Was it like their age new girl?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
yeah, no, it was more like, even though that did
inspire a lot of people to moveinto lofts.
Uh, the new girl yeah no, buthers was more like she wanted to
be like a working girl in thecity, because in, where you know
, my grandma didn't work.
She, you know, took care of thekids and cooked and cleaned.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
She's a marine first, though.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Okay, yeah, let's not just glaze over, you know you
did, you buried yeah, actually Ifeel like I knew this
information.
Hang on, so you glaze over.
She's like, yeah, my grandmadidn't do shit, I mean no, she
didn't.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
No, but she raised six kids.
What are you gonna do likefucking hey what?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
was didn't.
No, but she raised six kids.
What are you gonna do?
Fucking A?
What was harder being in theMarines or raising six kids?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I think probably raising six kids.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I would imagine yeah, this is on mom's side.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Mom's side yeah, Dad's had eight.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Oh, that's right, yeah there's eight of those guys
man.
Yeah, what's that like?
That's a big Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Massive out like that's a big thing's going
massive, massive.
Yeah it's.
It's fun like it was.
It was super, super fun growingup doing all of that because
you get like you know like Ilove a big family gathering you
just when you're a kid.
It's like you hang out with allyour cousins and you just have
a good time and and there's notany of like.
You're not aware of any of thedrama no, why would you be you?
know you're just now like oh,so-and-so has beef with

(03:47):
so-and-so Mainly what it is.
Now not so much anymore.
I think I've overcome most ofthis, but like for the longest,
like they just didn't like me.
Why?
Well, I was weird.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
You're still weird, but why wouldn't they like you?

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, but now I have fans, so it's okay.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Oh, that's so wild man yeah.
So now it's like well, all thepeople love us, so I guess she's
aight you know what I've alwaysand this isn't like a new idea,
but you know what I alwaysthink about we grow up, you know
, and you're told like, grow up,you know, and, and you're told
like, oh, you know, if you're Imean not so much now now.

(04:32):
Now, weird is trendy, but whenwe were growing up and before us
, it's like if you're, if you're, you know, you're the weird kid
, you're the outcast, you'reinto the arts, you like weird
music, or you dress eccentric,or maybe you have eccentric
behavior, you're loud, or maybeyou don't bend to the status quo
, whatever the case may be.
Um, you know, you're kind ofdemonized for it and you take on
all that like insecurity islike a little kid.
And then, but when?

(04:52):
But when?
But I?
What I always thought about,you know, even then, was but all
the people that we like,literally everyone in history
that you can think of, whosename you remember, right, weirdo
?
Case in point, genghis Khanwhat a goober.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Real goober.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Can I tell you when he I bet, I bet, I bet when he
was getting together with hisother Mongolian buddies and they
were sitting around like ah,what's on your mind While
they're playing like D&D orwhatever.
They did back in those days.
I guess D&D was probably a lotmore intense back then.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Regardless.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Genghis Khan was probably like guys, listen, I'm
only bringing this up becauseI'm only bringing this up
because you're my closestfriends.
I have a dream, a vision, aquest.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Don't bastardize I have a dream, a vision, a quest.
Don't bastardize the.
I have the dream speech withGenghis Khan.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Don't do that.
That's definitely not where Iwas going.
Anyway, back to Genghis Khan, Ifeel like he was sitting around
with his buddies and he waslike he was sitting around with
his buddies and he was like guys, I have a vision.
I have call it a prophecy.

(06:14):
It came to me.
He's like I'm going to takeover like the entire world, and
they're like big dreams, bigswings, my man.
And he's like no, no, no, no.
Like I'm going to take over theentire world and there's
nothing that anyone can do aboutit.
This is what I see for myself.
This is my truth.
And thankfully, genghis Khanhad the kind of friends that

(06:36):
were like hey, we believe in youand we should all be so lucky.
And because of that, what didhe do?
They say 10% of the populationcan trace their DNA back to Mr
Kahn.
And best believe Mr Kahn.
Maybe a doctor.
I don't know what thestipulations were for PhDs back
then, but I bet he was theequivalent to a doctor.
He had his PhD.

(06:56):
His peasants hate Doctors, DaKahn.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Da Kahn.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
They hate Da Kahn man Da Kahn.
Genghis Kahn G Khan Da Khan.
They hate Da Khan man Da Khan,Genghis Khan, Genghis Khan.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yo, peasants hate Da Khan.
They do, we all do.
We hate being Khan, we hate it,we don't like it.
There you go, genghis Khan.
I don't like to put myself.
I refuse to be considered apeasant, though considered a
peasant, though, I just don't doit.
Nobody's calling you a peasant,no, but I'm just saying like I
don't want to be in thatcategory.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Hey, hey.
Nobody is under the impressionthat you give off peasant energy
.
Do you know what you give off?
Can I tell you what you giveoff?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
What, what.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
You know what you did .
You made a gesture.
You made a gesture like someonewho knew I was gonna say you
give off princess or queenenergy.
You're like what?
Go ahead and say it.
You give off like the best.
You know what you were.
You're probably like in anotherlifetime if reincarnations real

(07:56):
I bet you were the village'sbest minstrel.
You menstruate better thananyone I've ever seen.
No, no, like the musicians,they have the lute.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know what?
I bet you're right and it wasdefinitely Celtic music.
There's something about thatthat just like touches my soul.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Celtic like Scottish right, like Celtic is like the
Scottish ancestry right.
I mean yeah, it is For sure itis.
I mean yeah, it is For sure itis.
I'm going to say it is.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I'm probably wrong, but I'm going to say it is, it's
more.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Irish, can we share it?

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I think that we can share.
Look, there's a lot of sharedIrish-Scottish DNA.
Like just a ridiculous amount.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I kind of thought they were the same thing until I
was like in my 20s.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm not proud of that .
Do you know what's messed up?
It's like the 23andMe.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
It's either 23andMe or one of those like DNA tests,
because my brother got one forus.
Ancestry or something.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
One of those, but like the one where you like spit
on something.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah yeah, but theyconsider English, Irish and
Scottish all the same thing.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Which European?
Yeah, but it's not, and theIrish people get really, really
upset about it.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'm sure everybody does.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
No, not no.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Not like the Irish.
No, no, does anyone get upsetlike the Irish get upset?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, they get.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
That's their charm, right, the fighting Irish.
That's like part of their thing, listen.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's good.
Oh, because you're Scottish.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
So here's the thing.
You bring up, the Ancestrycomthing.
Can I tell you, ancestrycom23andMe the whole spit test I've
learned.
Can I tell you something?
I've learned more about myselfthrough spit, as have I, than I

(09:52):
ever thought was going to bepossible.
I found that my entire life, myentire life, I've been going
around telling everybody I'mjust so like fucking Italian,
right which I am.
My mom's side of the family arethe Mazzolas Very Italian.
It's almost mozzarella.
It's side of the family are theMazzolas Very Italian.
It's almost mozzarella.
It's so Italian.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
The Mazzolas.
However, I go ahead and I gospit on this fucking stick and I
mail it in to a stranger todefinitely not collect my DNA
for cloning, and turns out like10% Italian, 25% Scottish,
that's a quarter.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
That's a lot.
Yeah, italian 25%.
Scottish, that's a quarter,that's a lot.
Yeah, no, and you do look veryItalian you do.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
It's the dark hair, it's the dark hair, the dark
eyes.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
You have a really great bone structure and your
nose I might be sorry I burped,I might be doing a racism right
now, but your nose is a bit likesharper than what I view
Scottish nose is to be.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Because all right, so I'm not sure my mind my mind's
so sharp, I fuck around, cut myhead off.
Yeah, so is your chin, lilWayne.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
What my chin sharp yeah, you have a really sharp
chin, thanks that was great.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
So your body hurts this week.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
So bad, so bad.
Do you see that?
It's not okay.
This isn't as impressive as myMuay Thai, that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
That's a very specific spot to have a bruise.
Why do you have a bruise rightthere?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
I was, I was, I was doing the tumbleweeds.
What are they called?
What is it?
The?
Uh, the?
The nose dives.
I was nose diving, Was it?
No, Is that not it?
That it was the.
I was running and I was divingand I and you.
It's a specific run and a jump.

(11:36):
Why?

Speaker 3 (11:36):
were you doing these crazy maneuvers?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Because I'm training for an action role, am I allowed
to say what it is?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
No, of course you're not Okay, you're bad at this.
This can't be an ongoing themewhere you just we're never gonna
get work, we're just gonnabreak NDAs.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
No, not true, listen.
Okay, here's the thing.
Come after me.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
No, no.
We don't have enough pool ormoney yet for them to come after
us.
I'm with you.
I like the rebel spirit.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
No, no, but here's what I'm saying.
Okay, it's our homies, so theydidn't give me an NDA yet, right
?
However, I look, I get hit.
No, I'm not gonna do it.
I'm not gonna do it.
It's rude.
I'm not gonna do it, it's.
Can't say that I know, butyou're going to bleep.
We own, this is our show.
I want you to know something.

(12:24):
I want you to know something Iwant you to know something.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
You know I'm going to bleep it out, right, yeah,
right.
But knowing I'm going to bleepit out means you just gave me so
much more work.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I know I'm sorry.
Yeah, why would you do that tome?

Speaker 3 (12:45):
It's really sick, though You're going to be so
great.
So, to elaborate you, let mecheck my.
Sorry, stop, let me check mynotes real quick.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Stop.
You know I wanted to marryHarry Potter.
Right, you did know that that'smy, that's who.
That's my dream man right there, not daniel radcliffe, but
harry, specifically potter.
Daniel radcliffe's great too,but like tyler tackett, so much

(13:16):
better sounds like he's gonna bea fucking boy who died, um.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
So let me check my notes here you are training for
an action role, action role, yep.
So what does that entail?
So I'm assuming that meansaction like are you driving a
bunch?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Is it like martial arts?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
So this is going to be more martial arts, more
martial arts, more martial witha T arts Great.
So more martial arts.
So is there a specific martialart that you've been training?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Well, we've been working on Muay Thai a lot.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, I've been taking Muay Thai.
Yeah, we've been taking.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Muay Thai for a minute.
But when we trained with Timthe other night it was kind of
like throw all that out thewindow.
So I was like trying to standall proper and stuff and like
have my stand.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
So here's what we're doing, like there's a method to
the madness.
You do have this really doperoll coming up and it's a roll
that's going to entail it'sYou're going to take a lot.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
It's going to be a lot, a lot of pressure on it, a
lot of pressure on it.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
You're going to do great, but in order for you to
do great, we're going to set youup for success, and the way
that we're doing that is.
Initially we had you trainingin Muay Thai Because I think you
should really know how to fight, Like if you're going to do it.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
So I don't know, I would love to do more action,
but I think, moving forward, Iwould like to do it right.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Well, I think the way that you do that is that's why
I was so adamant about you doingtaking like Muay Thai, and not
necessarily Muay Thai, but anyactual martial arts, uh, martial
art like get in an actual likedojo, right?
Just so happens that I train ata really great uh muay thai
spot my id.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
You're fantastic, my id, my id, yeah, dan my id it's
his spot he um, he's the best.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
By the way, he's so nice he was inducted into the
martial arts hall of famerecently.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, and he's like our age.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
We were in Texas when that happened.
Yeah, no, we should have beenthere, but he's our age.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
How great is that?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Wait, is he really?
Yeah, he has a whole family.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, and he opened like a great gym and stuff.
But, point being, I think youcan always tell, like when you
watch back a film or watch backanything, if the person who's
doing the action has actuallyspent time and not just like I

(15:56):
went to a couple boxing classesor kickboxing or karate classes
or jujitsu.
I went to a couple inpreparation for this.
You can learn a lot, but youcan't and it's not to say they
won't turn into greatperformance.
A lot of times they do.
However, I do think you can tellthe difference in somebody who
can, who's actually learned,like what it means to use their

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body in a very damaging way.
And then what you do is youtake that information and just
your natural way of stance, astance, a confidence you have
when you're getting ready tofight somebody.
You take that and then youstart incorporating the flair,
the good thing about you.
What I've really enjoyed intraining with you and getting
you ready for this is becauseyou have such a fantastic

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dancing background.
A you're incredibly flexible,giggity.
You're incredibly flexible,giggity, you're incredibly
flexible.
You're very athletic, veryathletic, great body awareness,
and those are all things thatit's really hard to teach,
especially the older you getright.
Yeah, it's like impossible.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
No, if somebody has bad body awareness.
I had a really good friend thatI used to like.
We would work out together alot and I used to do a lot of my
workouts.
I was like, look, you know,when you're really skinny, it's
more about toning.
So I would do these workouts,that these like ballet beautiful

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workouts is what they werecalled.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
And they're hard.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Ballet's hard, I imagine.
I've never done ballet, but Iimagine it's incredibly hard.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
You would be.
You would actually honestly ifthat was something, if your life
had taken a different path, youwould have done really well in
ballet.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I'm going to say this .
I appreciate that and Iunderstand what it is that
you're trying to say to me.
You are saying that Iappreciate that and truthfully,
I wish I grew up in small town,texas, so you play football and
you shut the fuck up About artsyshit.
But I wish in retrospect Iwould have done things like
ballet and piano and things likethat.

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And I think I was fortunateenough that I think if I would
have shown an interest in thosethings at a young age, my family
would have supported it.
But anyway.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I digress, marshall learns and stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
If there was another life where I did anything else.
Let's be real, we know what itwould be?
You would have done ballet.
What?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, no, I was going to say professional wrestler,
which I think everybody wouldagree with.
It's stunts, it's actingEverybody's looking at me, which
is like my favorite thing, andit's like over the top, which
I've been told is my actingstyle.
The amount of times I've beentold, tyler, listen, I'm gonna

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need you to bring it down thatis so unbelievable.
But then and I know you'veheard the same thing here's the
thing we're like that in reallife too.
We're big.
We're big personalities.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Look, it's not hard to diet.
It comes down to with that.
I think we're getting a littlebit off topic, but it's fine, I
don't we got into.
We are big, so we have like bigfacial expressions.
We're just big, you know.
We are Like our facialexpressions are huge.

(19:08):
Um, I think that has it'sworked for me and not worked for
me.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
So a lot of, and my agents were always being like so
, commercially, I did fantastic,I did really well, commercials
are naturally a little bitbigger, they're bigger, it's big
smile, you know happy also, doyou think, coming from doing so
much music and doing like musicvideos and being on tour and
stuff, do you think it's aneasier trend?

(19:30):
Because, because film is is solike intimate and sometimes
smaller in performance, so withmusic and stage performance it's
as big as possible.
You're playing in the back ofthe room, right?
So do you think it was aneasier?
It was an easier transitionfrom that into commercial, into
no, it's just.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Uh, it was, it was what I got booked for first,
because, uh, that's just we havea great look, but I'm just, I'm
curious.
It was like I was gettingbooked on on headshots and a and
and music video reels, asopposed to having acting reels,
because I didn't really do thatbut, like no, I always
completely separated them.

(20:08):
Acting is very if you, we can bereally intense and it's it's
not hard to be small when it's abelievable situation so what I
get hired for a lot and what I'mknown for a lot and basically
how I make my living is um withthrough platforms that are very

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popular, that a lot of peoplewatch, but it's very
unbelievable scripts like no onewould ever talk like that.
That's not a conversationsomeone would ever have you're
saying on the, on the like a lotof the vertical stuff that I've
been doing and like the soapopera type of things, yeah it.
So what I get hired for?

(20:51):
Mainly, and that's why I'm I'mbigger.
But if you put me on a in areal film, which we've done
together I've done other oneswhere it's like, no, it's just,
let's have a moment between youand this other human, it's very
easy to be that.
Now, mind you, I still havecertain big characteristics when
I feel like it, when that's theemotion that the character is

(21:13):
feeling, which is what I'mfeeling, and so it's going to
come out and it's going to be alittle bit bigger.
So if you want a mousy character, they don't hire me.
They won't hire me because I'mnot going to give mouth, I don't
.
That's not me.
I have a big mouth, I have abig nose, I have big eyes, I
have big expressions, I have bigeyebrows.
Everything about me is kind ofbig.

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It just is what it is.
I can dye it down and I canmake it human.
But if you want small and andand kind of like a, if you want
something, if you don't wantthis, then you don't want this.
Like there's like a.
You know, like Denzel has acertain look, he's got a certain
look.
You're not going to hire him aslike somebody to kind of play a

(21:58):
smaller role.
Let him shine in what he does.
You know, there's certain andI'm not comparing myself to
Denzel Washington, but I'm justsaying, like you know what
you're hiring, so okay, cool, ifthat's the lane, then it is
what it is.
You know, I would love to beable to do more, you do I?

Speaker 3 (22:20):
think what I think?
I think, um, you're sellingyourself a little bit short, or
I don't think you are.
Maybe the better way to say itis.
I think what's very admirableand really cool about you that I
actually take a lot ofinspiration from because I

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haven't always been very good atthis.
It's's very difficult is youare very malleable as an actor.
You are able to be both, bevery, be very present in in the
performance and in with thematerial that you're given, but
you're also at the same exacttime it's like two parts of your

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brain working at the same time.
You're able to look at thesituation around you, you
understand the content, youunderstand the theme and the
tone of what it is that you'redoing and you adjust accordingly
.
And what's great about you?
You talk about your bigfeatures and whatever, and
that's one way to put it, Iguess.

(23:21):
You have a big, beautiful smileand you have striking eyes.
I know it's uncomfortable forme to compliment you, but just
sit there and let it happen.
You do.
You have a wonderful, invitingsmile and eyes.
And what's great about you isyou're so beautiful but you're
able to, at the same time, notbe afraid to make a fool of
yourself, which is what all ofour friends do.

(23:43):
You're able to look at whateverthe material is and, like I
said, adjust accordingly, whichI think is the mark of a very
talented actor.
You find the honesty even inthe most absurdity, which is, in
fact, our job.
So, yeah, you can.
You know, on one hand, it canbe what it is, but at the same
time, I think flowers whereflowers are due.

(24:06):
You do the job well and, at theend of the day, um, the thing
we strive for is to be able tomake what we love, what we, the
thing that inspires us, um ourart form or whatever make it
into the thing that pays ourbills.
You can only do that if you'reable to navigate the job side of

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it you know, and I've struggledwith that in my career.
You have excelled in it, youknow.
So it's all you know how youlook at it, I suppose.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
But literally exactly .

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Take pride in all of it.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
You said I wanted to make this my my full make,
acting my full-time job.
Right did Right, and I, youknow.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
You did, that's what you did.
You have done it?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, but I'll be honest, I wasn't.
I don't have a collegeeducation, I know you don't
either, but Okay, nobody wasasking what my education was.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
You didn't have to bring it up we brought it up
last episode.
It didn't have to bring it up.
We brought it up last episode.
Well, I don't know why we'rebringing it up again.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Why are you bringing up old shit?
That was last episode.
I don't have a collegeeducation, which is fine, but I
don't actually have.
I don't actually have becauseI've thought about it, I don't
actually have when I thoughtthat I might need it.
I don't actually have like anactual work history, so I went

(25:28):
straight from high school andduring high school, into music.
So I had a record deal and I wasdoing that.
Right Now, mind you, was Iworking and like operating
things and I owned a studio andI was doing all sorts of
different stuff, but thatdoesn't really count on paper,
right?
So I've never had technically areal job, uh.

(25:52):
And then I had a big fallingout with my label and label reps
and and management and stuffand I decided to completely flip
.
And that's when I uh itliterally was like okay, I, you
know, I'll get into, I'll startacting, I'll do commercial work.
I got to figure out a way tomake this work while I'm trying
to kind of pivot it wasn't I wastrying to uh secure like a

(26:14):
different situation with adifferent label and, honestly,
acting just took over my life.
I wasn't expecting that tohappen.
I was thinking that what do youmean?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
it took over your life?
Was it did take over your lifebecause you were like oh, this
is something I've been lookingfor?
Did it take over your life andit was just required a lot of?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
time.
No, it was literally like theuniverse was like well, this is
what you're supposed to be doing.
So every door just startedopening and I felt bad about it
because I didn't feel like Ideserved it.
I didn't put in the work thatactors do.
Now, mind you, did I put inother work in another side of

(26:51):
the industry Absofriggin'-lutely.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I would argue that you did.
Here's the thing what we do inour real life is echoed in our
art, and vice versa, right?
So I think the misconception isthat if you don't have some
kind of formal training orinformal training, just training
in general, then um you uh arenot either as qualified or

(27:17):
deserving, or however you wantto phrase it when it comes to
all art forms not to get allfucking granola on you, but if
we're going to have theconversation when it comes to
all art forms, um, art issupposed to be representative of
life.
It's supposed to take me as theartist.
I have my own singular view ofthe world.

(27:37):
I'm the only, I'm the only methat has ever existed in the
history of ever, from thedinosaurs to the Romans, to the
Civil War to now.
I'm the only me that has everlived.
I'm the only me with myexperiences.
I'm the only me with everysingle second, every single
fragment of every moment, ofevery second of my life.
I'm the only me.
And all of those things haveformulated my opinion and my

(28:00):
view.
They have sculpted what my viewis of the world, right, and
because of that, if I'm able tochannel my view of the world in
a way that can be projected insome art form, whether it be
music or, in my case, film andstorytelling.
In that way, or for some peoplepainting, some people cooking,

(28:22):
whatever the case may be, I'mthe only me that can ever
fucking do that right.
So, point of that, being withyou, you can say, look, I feel
like I didn't do this, that orthe other.
But again, you're sellingyourself fucking short.
Because here's the deal, man,you were brave enough at the
beginning, from the get-go.
You were brave enough to say no, I want something outside of

(28:43):
the typical status quo, what mylife has dictated, my life and
my address and my family hasdictated.
I want more.
I have a voice, I have things Iwant to put out in the world,
and at first you channeled thatthrough music.
And then you took those sameexperiences.
The highs and the lows, okay,have all influenced your view on
the world, which has sculptedyour art.

(29:03):
The thing that makes you anartist is that you're brave
enough to again project thatview in the world, and whether
it comes out in painting, inperformance, on film, music, it
doesn't fucking matter.
Okay, you were having theexperiences, you were growing as
a human, and then you're braveenough to show up earnestly, in
whatever art form it is thatyou're doing.
So you did have training.

(29:25):
Just because someone didn'tstand in front of a room and
tell you this is how it's donedoes not mean that you didn't
get the training.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, to be fair, I don't disagree with you at all
on that Right.
So because you know, our lastepisode we talked about, you
know, or didn't really talkabout it, but just kind of gave
our opinions, or my opinionreally, of acting classes and

(29:53):
the reason why and that'slegitimately one of the reasons
why I didn't feel like it wasnecessary for me to even take
classes.
It was like, look, I do this, Iknow how to entertain, I know
how to connect with anotherhuman, that's probably if we
strip it all down.
If we strip it all down, that'swhat I'm good at, that's what

(30:18):
gives me the connection, that'swhat I'm good at and I love
expressing it musically.
But that was not the path for meat that time.
I would love for it to comeback at some point, but I don't
know.
I do find a lot of joy increating art in different forms,

(30:39):
now that I know how to do it.
When I was doing commercialwork, I wasn't satisfied because
it wasn't artisticallyfulfilling for me.
It was just me being in frontof a camera and they're being
like oh, be pretty, be happy andsay your lines and cool, and
it's done.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Sell the product.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Sell the product and that's not and it's fine and
it's really cool being on set.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
And honestly, some on set and honestly some of them
are really fun and artistic.
True, and I think it's in thelast 10 years it's been kind of
trendy to get real artsy withcommercial stuff, because you
have to, and it's fun.
How do you keep an audience'sattention?
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, and that's cool .
But I like to tell stories.
That's why I like to writesongs.
I wasn't an artist who peoplewrote songs for me.
I was the songwriter.
I'm the creator.
It's the story that I want totell, that I want to narrate,
that.
I want to make people feel.
That's powerful to me and Iwill always appreciate a really

(31:37):
good singer and a really gooddancer and I'll always
appreciate that.
But a good songwriter is adifferent thing.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
because they, because they're, they're speaking, the
there's when you're a reallygood singer.
People hear that audit, likethey hear that and they're like,
oh god, that resonates with me.
I love that tone and that's agift and that's beautiful.
But when the words match thetone, that is like it's so
powerful, it's so incrediblypowerful.

(32:09):
It's like having a greatcinematographer and a great
storyteller and a great actor.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
It just kind of all comes together.
Everything comes together atthe same time.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
And you tell the story, right and that's, but you
don't have that without a goodscreenplay writer, who wrote the
story, who came up with it?
And then you find the vesselsto portray it.
It's the same thing with music.
Uh, so I don't know, I, I, Iwasn't, I definitely wasn't
fulfilled doing commercial work.

(32:37):
I like it and I still love itlike I'm down, but that's
because I'm happy, because Ihave other outlets and I have
other things and you know it'salways fun to work with fun
people and anything, yeah, umcommercial web series, student
film, theater, music.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's there's something very fulfilling about
being um around another inspiredartist, because then it gives
you permission to feel inspiredas well.
It's like that.
There's this uh, very oftenre-quoted quote um that Often
re-quoted quote what let's hearit.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Let's re-quote it, let's go.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Listen, um, hey, right here, right here, hey, say
on me.
There's an often re-quotedquote.
That's it's your playing.
Small does not serve the world.
There is nothing enlightenedabout shrinking so that other

(33:35):
people will not feel insecurearound you.
We were all meant to shine, aschildren do, and when we let our
own light shine, weunconsciously give others
permission to do the same as our.
Uh, our willingness to shine,uh, automatically liberates
others.
And so there is something,whether I think that, I think

(33:59):
that really, for me at least, ontop of just naturally wanting
to tell stories and having thatdrive in me and feeling the
storyteller myself and whateverI do, um, I think my favorite
part of what we do as aprofession is that you find all
these artists in so manydifferent areas, all telling the
story in their own way, whetherit's costuming or whatever, um,

(34:21):
all coming together for asingular vision for a song.
It's the producer and themusician.
Like you can tell if theproducer and the songwriter and
the artist all weren'tcollaborating.
You know, you can make it hitcertain notes, you can make a
film hit certain beats, butthere is some sort of like human
soul like this.
It really is a tangible thingthat you'll feel is missing, and

(34:42):
that is the beautiful thing.
So when you can find thatconnected thing whether it is on
a commercial or a film or,again, a student film, whatever
the fuck it is, it doesn'tmatter that's, that's the sweet
spot.
That's why we suffer and gothrough all this stuff that we
go through.
That's what it's worth fightingfor.
It's great, and we found thatin so many different um, uh, so
many different um chapters inour life.

(35:02):
Let's go.
So you are so sore fromtraining.

(35:36):
I feel like we got off topic alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
My body hurts, it hurts badly.
Yeah, the last time my bodyhurt this bad, I rode my bike 62
miles.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
That's too many miles .

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, no, way too long it was with Mark Salmon and
Justin Kelly Solo music.
Solo music let's go.
Yeah, and we went.
I rode my bike from Mid-City toHollywood, from Hollywood to
Santa Monica, up to Malibu, downto Culver City, into Marina Del

(36:14):
Rey and back.
It's not, that's not.
That's not how you do it Ifyou're not from LA.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
I don't think you really understand what that
entails.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And then all the way back to Hollywood and then we
rode all the way back toHollywood and then I only had my
bike, so I had to ride my bikeback home to Mid-City.
How sore were your legs.
I stood to pee Like I stoodlike a man to pee, wait forward
or backwards, you hover.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
There was no hovering , I couldn't hover, I couldn't
hover, I couldn't straddle.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
No, I stood over the toilet.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
But what I'm asking is are you facing?
Oh, so you're facing the toilet, facing the bowl, nice, and I
just stood over it for two weeks.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, now, mind you, pooping was a problem.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
No kidding, it was a problem.
I believe it Just sitting downand having like, but you
couldn't sit.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
It was atrocious.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
What is that?
Huh, what is that?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
What?
No, you're pooping.
Um, so it was hard to squatdown.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Uh yeah, no, squatting was like not a thing.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
That was.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
What Are you Stop?

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I don't, oh no, I don't understand what's so funny
.
We've made it very clear thatwe're professional actors, and
this is a very normal thing fora professional actor man.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
You were supposed to.
The point of putting those on,though, is to look good on
camera.
It's important to use.
The point of putting those on,though, is to look good on
camera.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
It's important to use the rest of the juice on your
neck.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Who told you that?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
I did.
I'll never reveal my sources.
I'm not a snitch.
You know where I'm from.
You've probably heard thisbefore if you're from Boston,
but where I'm from, snitches getstitches.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I'm not from Boston, smell that.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Why would you do that ?
You're way too trusting.
Don't ever do that.
Have I taught you nothing?
Who are you?
So?
You're really sore fromtraining.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, bad, like bad.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
So we got you into Muay Thai, mm-hmm, which was
very important, because withMuay Thai, you know boxing,
fantastic art, kickboxing,fantastic art.
Boxing two weapons, kickboxingfour weapons.
You know what's dope about MuayThai?
It is the art of eight limbs,eight weapons.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Including elbows.
Exactly, okay, you can tell,but I knew that.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
So no, no, no, you're exactly right.
It's hands, tootsers, knees andknees, and elbows, head,
shoulders, knees and toes.
So I think that's why you see alot of Muay Thai in.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Singing that song Head, shoulders, knees and toes.
Can we edit?
That's what I want to see.
I want to see a bunch of editsto Muay Thai fighters and it's
the song in the background.
A bunch of edits, headshoulders, fighters and it's the
song in the background.
A bunch of heads, shoulders.
Yeah, let me make a note andsend that to our editor.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Hey, editor, that we're definitely hiring and
doing all the work for us, so wedon't do all of it by ourselves
.
Hey, you other persondefinitely there behind camera
Would you make a note, becausethis is your only job.
To add in yet, I believe,another edit where in this one
you find an old nursery rhymehead shoulders you know the one

(39:28):
and it's all, but you gottamatch it.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
You gotta match it with the Muay Thai.
So head, head, hit fucking foryour shoulders, knees, get need
and toes, we got to get theteeth in there, the teeth let's
fucking go listen.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I know right there I was definitely being a dick to
you, but I want to say I'm Vic,because we don't have anybody
there.
I am definitely.
Listen, I am so proud of youfor knowing Teep Good girl.
Of course I know Teep.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Of course you do.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Honestly, you've been doing Muay Thai now for like
six months at least yeah, youknow.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Really enjoy it.
I don't like sparring.
I don't enjoy that.
It scares me.
I don't like it at all.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Isn't it crazy when you stand in front of somebody
Like everyone's, a fucking hardass?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
I don't like it.
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
That was tucked into my little pants the whole time.
It's okay.
It's not okay.
Can I tell you why?
Can I tell you why?
I'll tell you why.
Where it was tucked in andwhere that's framed I'm sure you
guys already know you could seea little bit of belly pudge
coming over the pants.
It was very instrategic of me,so I'm going to loosen this up

(40:43):
like that.
Very in strategic of me, so I'mgoing to loosen this up like
that?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Why do you think?
Why do you think that I tiethis right at like my my?
So I'm wearing my workoutclothes again, essentially,
except for not this, but likenot my shirt.
It's not your shirt, but theseare like my workout shorts and
they have like a cinch at thewaistline but then it makes like
the pooch pop out and then italso like cuts off at the tummy.

(41:09):
So I wear the.
I wear this around my waist soI don't have to worry about that
.
Also, it's my cape and I feelcool wearing it, and when we
were doing our workouts theother day at Tempest um, it made
me feel like know a superherowhen I was flying over stuff.
It was very fun.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Okay, listen, I just spilled on myself you have a
drinking problem.
You're terrible at it.
Yo, how many points do I get ifI can sling this thing and it
sticks to the wall?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Let's see Ten, ten points.
Yeah, all right, ten points for.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Gryffindor Alright, ten points for Gryffindor.
Ten points for Gryffindor.
Yes, yes, stay in there thewhole episode.
So you're really sore becauseyou've been doing Muay Thai.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
No, I'm not sore from Muay Thai.
It was from training with youand tim.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
You took me to the tempest gym, uh-huh, which is
nuts tempest is where uh, justfor uh, context tempest is where
a lot of the not only stuntperformers, for pretty much any
show or anything, we a lot ofthe la stunt performers training
out tempest.
Um, also it's where the A lotof the LA Storm Force training
at Tempest.
Also, it's where a lot of thefolks based in LA come to LA for

(42:29):
Ninja Warrior.
Oh yeah, so we threw you to thewolves the other night.
You got your first.
So here's I mentioned itearlier.
There's been a process, right.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Like I, farted.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
We have to take that out hey Eddie, hey Editor Eddie.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Definitely guy on our payroll.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Could you edit, edit out?
Can you edit out?
Oh my god, did you see?
The amount of trust you'regoing to have to have in me
because I could make thedecision to not edit that out
and just not tell you.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
It might be funny and it'll be fine, but like, okay,
so the other day so sweet I wasabout to get so like deep into.
You have to tell the story.
Sarah and I are doing ourmakeup.
We we're on set together andwe're in the bathroom.
she's in the bathroom, rightuh-huh and she calls me out, and

(43:51):
so the ad is calling for us.
Mind you, we had like horrificmakeup artists, like they had no
, they were doing our makeupreally bad.
So we were like, all right, wegot to do this ourselves,
because they were like, allright, we'll put some powder on
you, but we're like where's theconcealer?
What?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
There was nothing concealed.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
No, nothing concealed .

Speaker 1 (44:10):
It was bad and we were supposed to be hot and we
were supposed to be in college,which we're not.
So we were like, no, we gottawork on this.
So we went in the bathroom andshe was like, alright, I gotta,
you gotta leave.
So I did, and then she goes.

(44:31):
She's like I get a call on myphone.
Mary, I need help, come in here.
Oh no, what happened?
Okay, so I went in there so shethe toilet wasn't flushing, it
was the location that we wereshooting at was at a house and
their plumbing wasn't workingright.
And she's like, what do we do?
And the ad is assistantdirector is banging on the door

(44:52):
telling us to come out.
And I was we're like, just holdon a second, we'll be there.
And then and I'm wearing abodysuit right underneath to
like suck everything in so thatI can look like a cinched 20
year old, okay, and and we'rerushing so we finally get the
toilet.
And then I was like, alright,I'm gonna take a pee.
And the AD's rushing us so badthat I Losing his fucking mind

(45:18):
or their mind?

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Her, her, her I'm sorry.
Losing her mind.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
That I zip it up, but I pulled.
There's something about Maryyou wiped cum in your hair
Losing her mind.
That I zip it up, but I pulled,I pulled.
There's something about Mary.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
You wiped cum in your hair.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
No, I zipped my clit up, dude, it was the most
atrocious pain.
I've never experienced it.
Sarah had to try and unzip itfor me and we're like, ah, and

(45:52):
the AD is outside the door, like, can you make?
We need you on set.
We need you on set.
And she's like there's afucking emergency from
underneath my legs.
I need, I need help.
I need help.
And she's like underneath melike looking up trying to
fucking fix it, and the AD isthere and she's literally under,

(46:12):
like she has one of my legs inher hands and then she's
screaming at the AD with theother, like won't be there.
It was so bad, so that's just aHollywood story.
I'm sorry it came up.
I had to bring it up.
I'm sorry, you can get back ontrack, did it come up.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Did it.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
We were talking about like pooping or farting I
farted.
That's what happened I farted.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Full circle, full circle, anyway.
So you're getting ready forthis really dope, awesome action
role?
Yes.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
And Center Okay center.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Woo Um.
So we took you to Tempest wherea lot of stunt performers train
a lot of uh, intentionalwarriors, and we did kind of
throw you the wolves, but I haveto say, um it, it, it's your

(47:27):
dancer background, the fact thatyou have been very dedicated to
Muay Thai and the other stuffthat we've been kind of putting
you through.
You showed up at your first dayat Tempest, and not to toot
your tooter, but because,because you're clearly doing
enough that you're on your ownIn the comedy world.
You know what we call that Acallback Anyway.
So you're at Tempest Temptingfate.

(47:52):
You know much like you're doingwith your underwear.
Sorry, last one.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Now we have to keep it in.
We have to keep the fart in.
We can't cut it out.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Eddie the editor make a note.
So you're at Tempest and yeah,so you're at.

(48:31):
Tempest and and the StorysPodcast.
So so One of us us trying to beprofessional, um, okay, all
right.
Um, so we've got you there and,uh, you know, I've been
training you, um, just you andme, um, for a minute, uh.
However, it is a differentthing when you bring someone

(48:55):
else into the mix.
Now we bring in one of my bestfriends, tim Neff, fantastic
actor, stunt performer, years ofexperience, very, very, very
gifted and just all around gooddude kind of the guy that got me
into everything right.
So we take you to this gym.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I don't think anybody made me aware that it me into
everything, right, so we takeyou to this gym?
Mm-hmm, I don't think anybodylike made me aware that it.
I knew that it was likehardcore, but like.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
It's hardcore, but it's welcoming, it's cool, but
it's intimidating.
Man, we didn't really.
I didn't want to freak you out,but I went there in pigtails,
as you shouldails, as you should, as you should.
And you know what else you didin pigtails you threw tornado
kicks, butterfly kicks.

(49:43):
You were learning dive rolls,that's what they're called.
Yeah no, you knew I think youcalled them that you were Son of
a bitch dude.
We got you doing wall runs.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
The knee spins.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Those were my favorites.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Oh man, I've got some really cool ideas for some
stuff, so we basically took youthrough when this particular
project is.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
One handed cartwheels Working up to the aerial, yeah
that's gonna take.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
That's gonna take some time.
Aerials like you know, thecartwheels Working up to the
aerial.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, that's going to take some time.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Aerials like the cartwheel, without any hands,
but you're halfway there.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
I got to get better at jumping, though, dude, I got
to get some air on that.
Yeah, if I can jump really well, then I'm not scared as much.
But there's a lot of me tooclose to the ground at this
point, so I feel like um, it's,it's weird.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
It's like you, uh, you you think like some of the
basic stuff and and and uh, likesome performing and some like
the parkour stuff, like even thebasic, like vaults and stuff,
like even the little things,like a little safety bolt or
something like just like whereyou're you're kind of just
stepping over it.
You think would be a lot easierthan it is.
Or, or like little things with.

(51:06):
Uh, we did, we took you throughlike reaction drills, like I
throw a punch and you react andwe have to get the timing down.
Even doing little things likethat, like your neck will get
super, super sore.
It's more taxing on the bodythan you think.
You learn falls and you weredude.
We were there from like 8 to 11.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
PM.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, yeah, and at our age that is a task, and then
we stayed up till 2 drinkingbeers.
And being like wasn't that cool.
And working on the podcast, Iguess no, it was cool.
We were there for like threehours and I have to, like I said
it in the last episode.

(51:47):
But one of the big things forme is I have a vetting process
for anyone that's gonna dostunts.
Like, not everyone needs to bea stunt performer.
Actors are often, and very,very often, required to do very
physical things and if you'regoing to do it, if that's going
to be a part of the job, befucking proficient at it.
Right, like like um, andeverybody wants to look cool

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doing the action stuff.
It's fun, you know, but noteveryone wants to show up and do
the work that isn't on camera,you know.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, and you did Well.
No, it is.
It's fun.
Honestly, I had the best time Ihad so much fun.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
It's like a big grown-up playground.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
It's a big grown-up playground.
I'm sure I looked like an idiot.
There were tons of people therewho were like do this, do this?
And they were probably like butI didn't feel so bad because
you and tim are so good at whatyou do, yeah, and I'm sure they
were younger, so it's like theyprobably are like, what is that
fucking youtuber doing here?
And I was like I'm trained fora movie bitch, you know like

(52:44):
yeah, I'm doing something realcool.
Yeah, just wait and see watchthe tornado kick I didn't really
care, I was having the besttime, and you don't feel it in a
moment because, like, theadrenaline is so high but it's
hard, like it is, your bodydoesn't move the way that you

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guys.
It's so Well, you guys are sogood at what you do, to where
you make it look, and for youguys it is easy.
It doesn't mean that it's nottaxing on your body, but it's to
where you make it look, and foryou guys it is easy.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
It doesn't mean that it's not taxing on your body,
but it's easy for you.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Well, we've just been doing it a long time.
Well, yeah, because you'reprofessionals.
But I'm like, oh, they make itlook really good.
And then you run up to thisobject that you're supposed to
jump over, that's at your chin,and you're like, ah, they just
flew, flew over it, like youknow.
Like, like, like like, likeit's like, like, a little
squirrel like but like a badasslike a badass squirrel.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Wow, that's nuts.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Anyways, I would run up to it and then I would like
get to it and I'm like wait, no,let me take it back.
Let me take it back.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
But but, with that being said, you did like kind of
fucking crush it, man.
We, we threw a lot ofinformation at you.
You know, um, for thisparticular thing, like you're
going to, there's going to be alot asked of you and um, and I
just I don't, I don't know.
I don't want to dwell on it toomuch, but I do.
I do really really commend yourcommitment, because three hours

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of a training session and notto mention, like we've been
having you like lifting weights,your diets changed as we sit
here and drink beer, but we'lladdress that when we get closer
to the shoot date.
But no, you're really showingup and like putting in the work,
so, and I think it'll show onscreen, you know.

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So kudos to you.
I'm really proud of you.
You did a good job.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Cheers kid.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Cheers, kid.
Here's looking at you, kid.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Here's looking at you .
Kid Said all my Bostonrelatives.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I have an audition tomorrow, or callback tomorrow,
where I have to do a Jerseyaccent, but not just a Jersey
accent like, but not just like aJersey accent from like the
eighties, and um, and I, and I,and, and, and I can do it,
that's fine, but I think, dude,I have such a hard time.

(55:08):
Um, there's certain um, tell meif you can relate, but there's
certain accents that may notsound anything alike, but
something when I do it turns meon.
So, for instance, this NewJersey accent.
Sometimes when I do New Jersey,it wants to go southern.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
It's because one you are technically southern.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
You're from Texas, that is true.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Texas is its own thing, but you're very close to
the Louisiana border.
Yeah, so it's you.
There's Southern Charm is areal thing, where people they
just they smile more and that'skind of why they talk like that.
Is they just you know, and thenyou get your, you get your

(55:53):
hicks and shit like that and youget them people who, but you
are more of like, you're more ofthat you know, then you get
your, you get your hicks andshit like that, and you get them
.
People who?
But you are more of like,you're more of that, you know.
You just smile and you just sayand that's what I'm like, no,
your whole family though.
Oh tyler, oh my god, youbrought tyler where we have been
so happy to see you, whereasnew england would be like, oh,
what's up, kid, yeah, no, no, no, it's, it's, it's no.

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You look like a good fella.
So their whole faces droop moreOkay.
Oh, you look like and it'stechnically the same accent
Because it's the same type ofperson, but it's a different
area.
So imagine somebody who's coldall the time.

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They're more like you know.
So, like you know, if you gottado the joysy, you gotta just
you gotta think that like you,you know and I'm not doing it
particularly well, but you knowjust frown a little bit.
So what you wanna do, causeyou're what you're your natural

(56:58):
go to, is to smile, and you justdo that.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Nah dude, can I tell you something?
I'm sorry you had to find outthis way, but I'm not even a big
smiler, I am stone cold killer.
Before there was stone coldSteve Austin.
Bringing back to wrestling,because I'm convinced I will be
a wrestler.
Stone Cold, tyler Tackett.
They used to say they don't sayit as much anymore, but they

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used to.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
They don't.
No, you smile and you're sweetand you just have to frown more.
So when it's like, hang on, can.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I throw something at you.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
This isn't the audition.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
But if I was like, since just you and me here and
this is a safe space andnobody's ever going to see this,
let me try something.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Okay, yeah, let's see .
So it's like a New Jersey thingright, all right, all right.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Now hang on, stop.
Stop, you're not taking this.
You're not taking thisseriously.
Stop, you're not taking thisseriously.
Hang on, I'm driving right.
That's what this is.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
How old am I?
Am I male or female?
I know what his callback is for, so it's funny.
It's funny to me because hecould be hey hey hey, focus,
okay, I'm in character right now.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Hey, wait, hang on you.
Uh, you going to school on aSaturday?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
That was pretty good, you were transported right.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
You're like oh fuck, I thought I was on West Coast,
best Coast, but all of a suddenI'm back on the East.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I feel like you've done that better.
And once again, what did you dowith your mouth?

Speaker 3 (58:43):
You went you eh, eh.
You're going to school on aSaturday.
You know why Can I tell you?
Why Can I tell you why?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Because you're thinking of Rocky.
Stop, stop doing Rocky.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
I want to do from now on.
Every audition I go to, theyalways say you can give two
takes.
Right, so I'm going to give twotakes.
I'm going to give two takes.
The first take I'll give anauthentic, like my take on it.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
But then every other take that I do for anything from
now on, I promise you I'm goingto do.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
What do you think the Apollo's coming in with me?
Nobody ever got it.
This is the Apollo, you know.
So they're gonna get theauthentic Tyler Tackett take the
Tackett takes, as they call itin the fan club yeah that I'm
starting um, and then they'regonna get the Sly take, you know
the Sly take not like Sly, likeuh, we're sneaking it in, but
kinda can I tell you?

Speaker 1 (59:36):
something so I Can I tell you something.
So I had a friend.
I have a friend he's still avery good friend, ilya.
He decided to go real method.
Real method for this audition,one time at Space Station
Casting, which, oh, that's wherewe're met.

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Hey, listen, you're fine.
So I didn't know what he wasauditioning for.
But there's like all thesedifferent casting offices there
and there's a bunch of differentpeople there for different
things.
So I had come out of somethingand you always see people in the
hallway and you're like, oh,what's up?
You know?
So I see him on the ground, uh,and he's doing like this thing

(01:00:18):
back and forth.
And I was like, you know, and Iknew it was him.
So I was like it's weird for meto just like walk past him and
I saw him look at me.
So if he had totally ignored me, I just would have been like,
well, he's in character, I'll go.
But he did like this thing andI was like, hey, ellie, and he
goes, hey, man.
And I was like, oh, okay, and Ijust kept going, right, sure as

(01:00:43):
you should.
So he was auditioning For like amentally Disabled character,
but he decided to go Into theaudition room as Full method
Like disrespectfully method Like.
And here's the thing about hehas.

(01:01:04):
He's, he's from russia and, um,when he was born, something
happened where his, his hands,like right here, are fused
together hang on, hang on realquick, are you telling me?
So my boy came out of the wombwith the fucking With guns

(01:01:24):
blazing.
Like guns blazing, bro he did.
He came out of the womb gunsblazing and then he just decided
to hang it like this Shit dude.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Which he doesn't normally do.
So kill, shot style.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Kill shot style, but like a little limp for the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Like try me, me, like I dare you yeah, and he and he
just love your shit, dude,because we have the same agent.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
The note that he got back was we didn't we, he was.
He was great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
He was really really good none of us want to work
with him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
However, we're all uncomfortable the amount, the
amount of dialogue in the mountthat he would have to carry,
because it's a lead rolethroughout the film and it's not
just like a you pop in, you popout yeah like we can.
We are not looking for actuallydisabled people at this moment.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Wait, so he did so good.
They thought he was.
Oh, they thought he was yeah,can I tell you something?
In some ways he is.
That's insane.
But in all fairness, again,again, full circle, full circle,
hey, full circle.

(01:02:47):
Only the weird ones makehistory.
One time you want to hear afunny audition story.
One time.
Similar thing At actually, nowthat I think about it, space
Station Casting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Out of this world, kowanga Boulevard.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yep it.
Yeah, it's a casting officethat used to be super popular
pre-2020.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
No it closed down after oh is it actually closed
down?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Yeah, it's closed.
Oh, that's actually kind of sad, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Anyways, so same casting office, I got Star Wars
out of there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
You got Star Wars out of space station casting, can't
write this shit.
You got Star Wars out of SpaceStation casting, can't write
this shit.
They wouldn't believe it.
You know what's funny?
I'm in Chatsworth and forpeople that don't know LA, they
wouldn't realize that Chatsworthto Space Station in downtown
Hollywood, it's a galaxy far,far away.
It really is, it really is.

(01:03:36):
It really is, it really is.
So I had this audition one timefor like a I think it was for a
short and I was in this weirdstage in life.
I'm like in my mid-20s and I'mtrying to figure out who I am as
an artist.
I'm trying to do the methodthing too, because you're told

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like that's a whole differenttopic that we're not going to
get into tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
We should do a whole episode on, just like I did do
that with Star Wars, you gotmethod.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Oh really.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Because I thought they wanted real British actors.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
So I you went to England.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
No, I just went in there and I was very like I
didn't say anything other thanmy name.
And that was kind of what thecharacter called for was to be a
little bit like cold.
So it just worked for me.
But it's only because I was shyif I went in there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
I was like hey, I'm there, they, they wouldn't do
something if you went in therelike that for any audition.
They'd probably think you wereauditioning for that part.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
The other guy was no but no, but I was like.
You know, I'm normally like,very like, friendly and so I
just went.
I went in there and until I gotonto set the producer was like
wait, so you're not really, andI was like no.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
And they're like oh, that's a nice compliment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Yeah, I know, and it was it was tough.
And they're like, and I waslike is that a problem?
And he's like no, we don't care, we just like no, we don't care
, we just wanted someone who'sgood, you know, and like
believable, um, but also I gaveoff a little bit like I'm too
good for this and I think thatnice worked.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Yeah, I, with the same gusto and confidence, went
into this audition for thisshort film playing a.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I'm sorry yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
So I go into this audition.
It's for the short film and I'msupposed to play this guy who
is a I forget the term but theguy that's like the kind of
person who's they don't likeleaving their house.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
A ninja turtle?
No, they're from the sewers?
What no?

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
the ones that are like it's like an actual, a
nymphomaniac.
No, nope, um the ones that areafraid of leaving the house.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah, but it's like a nympho, it's a phobia, it's not
it's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
It's not an info, but it is a phobia.
It's not an info, but it is aphobia.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
We know, though.
We know, what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Either way, my boy is afraid to leave his house, and
so he just walks around in hisunderwear all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Did you go in there?
I didn't go in there in myunderwear, but here's what I did
.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
It's like a short film Stop Right.
It's probably some people justlike us trying to get their
dreams off the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Right, god bless them .
They saved up money and theyrented a spot in casting.
And here I come, fully clothed,I get in there.
And it specifically said theywalked around in whitey tighties
.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I don't wear whitey tighties, I'm more of a briefs
guy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
No, I don't wear whitey tighties, I'm more of a
briefs guy.
No, yeah, but I went and boughtsome, some like through the
loom, fucking like whiteytighties, right.
And I roll into this audition.
I walk in and Space Station'slike these little office rooms,
right.
And so I get in there and it'sjust two guys like my age and
they're sitting on the otherside of this table and the other
side of this like 12 by 12 roomand they're like, okay, cool,

(01:07:06):
whenever you're ready, and theygot a little handy cam and they
set it up, they hit, go action.
I'm like, okay, like such anasshole, I'm like one moment.
I'm like okay, so I turn aroundand I I proceed to take all of
my clothes off down to myfucking skivvies dude, my whitey
tighties, man.
And I turn around and I look atthese guys and I am so fucking
I have done.
I've been listening to like Imade a playlist, I was listening
to the right music, you know,on the way to the audition, I

(01:07:28):
get in there and then I proceedto do this long fucking
monologue where they just haveto sit there with this other
strange man and watch me sit infront of their camera in my
underwear and not like a coolpose either.
In my underwear and not like acool pose either.
I'm doing that thing where,like when you sit down, like
your tummy pooches out, nomatter how ripped you are, like
your tummy fucking will poochout a little bit and you're like
sitting there kind of likeuncomfortable.

(01:07:50):
It's not a flattering angle andI'm just in my tighty whities
and I'm delivering thismonologue to camera about and
it's deep, it's well written andI'm giving it my all and I
swear to God, one of two timesin my life I've gotten this.
They look at me and they gookay.
Well, thank you so much forcoming in.
And I know to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
That's never good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
To this day, to this day, to this day.
That's so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I guarantee they still tell that story.
Did you do it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Uh well, I got hired, um, to help write a feature,
and so right now I'm in kind ofthe story building, brain splash
, kind of outlining part, and Idon't do this for all the movies

(01:08:49):
that I do, but for this one Idecided to go back to the
flashcard method, as I'moutlining, and basically what
you do is each flashcardrepresents a scene, right, and
you want to keep it like super,like short, rough, just bullet
points, like so this would belike an opening scene.

(01:09:10):
So it would be like openingscene.
Maybe you say like interior,exterior, where it is, and then
on the back I write a shortdescription of what happens in
the scene, and then I also, atthe bottom right, like what's
the, the, the, the key, likeemotion or the, the, the, the

(01:09:32):
subtext of whatever that sceneis, and put that down there.
And then what you do and youdon't have to go in order, it's
just any scene that you think of, right, and then you start
putting it on your board andwhat that does is you're able to
visually see like, uh, wherethere's parts of your story
missing, um, maybe some plotholes.
You can actually, becausethey're on postcards, you can
move shit around, um, it's justa good way to, when you're

(01:09:54):
outlining, have something kindof visual in front of you while
you're building.
Don't fuck around if you don'twant to find out.
You know my papa used to saythat.
You know what my papa used tosay, what yeah.
YOLO.
You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
You only live once.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I forgot.
I introduced you guys.
Yeah, you guys come back toTexas and meet the fam.
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
He would have said that to you, your family's great
they're the best right.
No, they're like, they'reactually fantastic.
The fact that you it's well,it's puzzling that you came out
of them Because they're all itmakes sense, but it doesn't Like

(01:10:39):
.
You just have this artist spiritthat was like I want to fly and
go, but where you're from, likethey all live relatively close
to each other and it's a bigfamily and everybody is pretty
close by and they all are verylike, close-knit, and you were
like, no, I have to, I have togo, but you're also very close,
you talk to everybody every day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
I yeah, I mean honestly I moved to Los Angeles
when I was 20 years old.
I'm 34 now that's the time ofrecording this.
I moved to LA when I was 20years old.

(01:11:28):
Up until that point, I hadnever left my small little town.
It's such a Hollywood cliche.
My family is really close andyou know, the hardest thing
about doing what we do and Iknow you can relate is not
necessarily the day-to-day withthe auditions.
That stuff's hard and therejection our profession for a

(01:11:51):
good portion becomes rejection.
That's hard but you can handleit.
What's really hard, at leastfor me, has been away from my
people.
You know the things that makeyou you it's very, very
difficult.
We, we are very close andthey're fantastic and the best.
I am the culmination of thebest parts, of the best people I
ever met, and it's a one, it'sa, it's it's.

(01:12:12):
It is a fucking blessing.
Uh, they're fantastic, um, butit's hard.
But I mean to tie it back into,kind of I guess this and what
we, the inception of why we.
Maybe your cousin Patrick isthe writer is probably the only

(01:12:45):
other artist that I really knowand he did and that's kind of a
newer venture for him, right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
It is, yeah, so my family His book just came out.
His book just came out.
He has a book called Sons ofBrunos.
It's a fantasy novel and it'ssupposed to be kind of like a
Game of Thrones type of vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
No, and the reviews have been really good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I'm so in.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
It's a good book book and it's so strange because
growing up, um, there wasthere's kind of like this weird
separate.
So our family is very newengland, his family is very
boston, or his, like you knowhis mom and his dad, they live

(01:13:35):
in boston, they spend theirsummers in ireland, like that,
and it's it's kind of like youchoose a certain road.
You know what I mean or whatyou would think Like that's what
our family kind of does.
It's like, okay, you're eitherin banking or you're a lawyer,
or you're banking or lawyer,like that's what you do.
So to choose an artistic outlet, which you know he has a day

(01:14:00):
job, but I don't think he'sgoing to have to rely on it for
long.
And his dad, who my Uncle Paul,is wonderful.
He's always been somebody whoI've been like.
He was one of my favoriteuncles growing up because he
just was like so fun, loving andstuff and you met Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Yeah, he was great.
Where did we go?
Tony P stuff, and you met, youmet Paul.
Yeah, he was great.
Yeah, you met.
We had dinner at where did wego?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Tony P's, tony P's, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Yeah, we were chilling in the bar With him and
Matt, my uncle, matt.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Tommy and mom and dad .

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Yeah, but they all chose a very like the generation
before us took like such atraditional route that it just
doesn't seem like a feasiblething and I was very much like
an outcaster to the family for avery long time so I didn't
really get to know him.
I didn't get to know Patrickand his brother Paul growing up

(01:14:54):
very well until, like, they kindof grew up and became their own
and I didn't realize that, likeyou know, patrick had like this
artistic heart you know, andhis dad's really proud of him,
like which is awesome Wild Likeyou, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
You know, there's someone does something out of
the norm, especially if you have, like, a family that that
stands on a certain preset sortof values or whatever.
Um, you know the ones that stepout of that.
There's this thing where it'slike I have to.
I'm not a fucking parent, but Ihave to imagine.
There is this balancing actbetween what was instilled in

(01:15:35):
you and your beliefs and yourapproach to life and all that
and what you and how you want topass that on to the next
generation, but also wanting tobe supportive of this new person
you've created yeah and and ifthey are different and and
that's that's got to be adifficult kind of crossroads to
come at.
So kudos to any parent that canlike support that, because I'm

(01:15:56):
sure it's not easy yeah, and youknow he I think I think it's
it's not easy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Yeah, and you know I think it's wild because it's
kudos to supporting it.
But it's also them kind ofrealizing, like it's one thing
to realize your kid has talent.
And Patrick is an adult at thispoint.
He's in his 20s, he's good,like he has another career.
He self-funded the book.
He has like an audio book outthat's on Amazon that you can

(01:16:24):
buy and he self-fundedeverything.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
So this isn't his first rodeo.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
No, this is his first rodeo, but he did it right oh
good man, he did it really

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
He did it right and he worked really hard on it for
a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
That's right.
You told me he hired actors.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
He hired voice actors , yeah, like he did the whole
thing For the audio.
That's right.
Yeah, that's right, that'sright, he did the whole thing
and you could.
You know, as a parent, you kindof want to be like okay, but
you have it there, there's anopportunity for you to get your

(01:17:02):
voice out there and as long asyou get it out there like it's
good, people will like it andyou have the chance to have to
have that.
So it's weird.
I think about that, like whatour parents, if they had, you
know, social media, or if theycould do it, or if they could
self-distribute would they havedone that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Maybe, I mean, the culture would have changed.
Right, it would have been aculture where, if people started
doing that, where they started,just like they did with us,
when, once that option becameavailable, then people started
doing that, if that option wouldhave been available for them,
you would think the culturewould have shifted and it would
have started promoting that.
I think I really believe, Itruly do.

(01:17:46):
I really believe that the humananimal needs a couple things,
and they're very basic needs.
It's the human animal needsfood, water, shelter.
They stop that right now.
You stop that.
You listen.
You tell those eyebrows to takea smoke break.
They need to chill.
Um, I'd like to mention thatthese uh guys have stuck on this

(01:18:13):
wall.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
I think we're just keeping them.
Okay, let's just keep them, yoevery episode, every episode,
let's add to it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
It may not every episode.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
But like when we, whenever you, that's so gross.
Let's do it.
It's not gross, it's not gross.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Yeah, it's not gross.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
It's not a booger.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
It's not yet.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I farted.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
You did.
I'm glad we brought that backup.
Eddie, make a note.
Stop, um, so You're a child.
I truly believe that the humananimal has certain no, can I
help?
No.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Oh my god, that's such a good spot too.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Stop, I'm trying to be deep.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Focus.
Let me get into character Deep.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Nice, I can see what you're doing with your eyebrows.
That's good.
No, in all seriousness, Ireally do believe that the human
animal, all of us, need certainthings Food, water, shelter,
sure, but they also need outs.
Right, we are humans, like ourcreators.
All of us need certain thingsFood, water, shelter, sure, but
they also need outs.
Right, like we are Humans, likeare creators, right, we have
this energy that we need to getout and we need physical

(01:19:28):
exertion, and then we also needa creative out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
And we do.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
All of us, man, and I feel like, more so recently,
but for a long time that wasn'tsomething that was nurtured, and
I think we can see the sideeffect of that.
We all need to expressourselves in one form or the
other and so like, if it's afantasy novel, you know,
something akin to Game ofThrones or Lord of the Rings,

(01:19:52):
which signed me up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Truthfully, honestly, dope he even had.
He's got he like dude Kid wenthard he went.
And I got he like dude kid wenthard, he went and I call him a
kid.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Like he's not a kid.
He pays taxes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
He pays taxes like he's a grown man, but like, but
he, he, like, he did, he didlike animations for his novel
let's go, let's go.
Like he really went hard, soI'm I'm proud of him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Everyone deserves to have a voice, whether it's
something that exists, completein fantasy, whether it's
something more basic.
Speaking of books, my pawpawactually wrote a book as well,
and actually sitting right underhere don't move, don't go
anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Oh, we can't mess up the fight club.
We're not, it't go anywhere,guys.
Oh, we can't mess up the.
We can't mess up the fight club.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
We're not, it's gonna be great.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Oh, perfect.
Look at that.
A little shamelessself-promotion for the family.
Popo wrote a book too.
My Popo, who has never doneanything like that before,
decided he was inspired andfound a story that he was really
into and did the exact samething.

(01:21:05):
His is more based around.
It's like historical fiction,so based in reality but
fictionalized.
But it doesn't matter, it's hisvoice.
It's the same as with Patrickand doing something completely
fancy.
It's the same thing when it'syou and you're doing music.
It's the same thing when you'reperforming on screen on any

(01:21:27):
kind of stage.
It's all about us as artistsexpressing who we are, and that
is such a vital fucking part ofexisting.
We all, everyone, you, you, you, you, we all have a voice and
it is all valid and we shouldall have that nurtured.
As much as it's worshipped tobe successful financially, which

(01:21:50):
is important, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
The key is you can be successful.
You can be financiallysuccessful as an artist.
I think for a long time it hasbeen this way of looking at
things, of cause.
I know my family looked at methis way.
It's like, oh, you want to bean artist, you want to be poor,
you know, and and for somepeople that doesn't matter, and

(01:22:13):
realistically, like that's whatis what is poor.
Can I pay my bills?
Do I have good people around me?
Am I happy?
Can I do the things that I wantto do, then that's fine, Then
that's fine, but like you know,to be looked down on for that as
opposed to like.
Okay, but you, art is like,there's a reason for art.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Where do people go when they're upset?
Yeah, music movies, paintings.
You is like there's a reasonfor art.
Where do people go when they'reupset?
Yeah, music movies, paintings.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
You know good food dude, you can make a living
doing it.
You can do it and you can.
You can be super, supersuccessful, but there's this
weird state of like eitheryou're very famous and wealthy
as an artist or you're a pauper,and that's not true.
That's just not the truth.
You can be in the middle, youcan be successful, and it

(01:23:08):
doesn't mean that that's yourstagnant point, like you can be
on the rise.
But you can make a living doingthis and you can, and sometimes
make a good living andsometimes make a fantastic
living.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
It depends on your barometer right.
What's a good living?
What is it being?

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
happy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
I think that's fucking beautiful and I couldn't
agree with you more.
And I think, if and as we do,more and more of these, you know
it'll develop.
But I really think that you andI are on the same page and that
we want to sit here and talk tofolks and show like, look, you

(01:23:48):
can reach for the celebrity andthe fame on that level the Ryan
Reynolds and the Meryl Streepand the you know the, whoever
the fuck you look up to who.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
I don't think who got to that level not by striving
for it, by the way.
Yeah, right, like if you'relooking for it like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
That's kind of weird, right.
But I think what I would lovefor us to showcase and is what
does it look like on theday-to-day?
Let's have real conversationsabout what auditions look like
and all that kind of stuff.
But it's not but you can havelike a fully-fledged happy life

(01:24:30):
doing this, and it doesn't haveto be that celebrityism.
It can be the thing that youlove and you can be a
professional artist and just be.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
It doesn't Now, you don't.
I think the one thing thatpeople don't really understand
about celebrity is like thatthat is a marketing tool, of
course, and that's fine, I thinkmost people get that.

(01:24:56):
No, I don't actually.
I think most people like us whodo this for a living understand
that absolutely, but I don'tthink that most human beings on
the planet understand that atall.
Fame is not part of the jobuntil it is and and and it's.
You know, like it's.
It's not part of the job untilit is and then, when it is,
that's it's great.

(01:25:17):
But it's not because you'rebeing worshipped as like how
great you are as a human or howgreat it's because you are a
product who has sold certainthings, and you've sold enough
things that are popular enough.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Your name is currency .

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
So your name is currency.
At that point you are, you areyour face, not your name even as
much because your face iscurrency.
So having you attached tosomething is currency.
And you going to an awardsceremony or you doing this and
that for a film that you did,like all of that is it's like
it's political at that point andthat's beautiful to get to that

(01:25:58):
point.
I don't think that's somethingthat should ever be looked down
on because, like that, what toget to that point?
I don't think that's somethingthat should ever be looked down
on, because what a goal to haveto achieve that.
But at the same time, there's alot that comes with it, and
fame should never be what you'reafter, because most people who
achieve that level of successare not looking for fame.
They just really wanted to bereally good at what they did and

(01:26:22):
they were, you know, and theywere parts and they and they
worked really hard and theysacrificed a lot and and that
and and.
If you don't reach that level,that doesn't mean that you're
not successful.
I know tons of really reallysuccessful actors, people who
have homes in los angeles,families like they.

(01:26:44):
They go on vacations, they dothings that's what you want
constantly.
That's what you want to strivefor, and they and they work, and
and they're enjoyable and youwould see them.
You're like, I feel like Irecognize that person, but I
don't know from what.
Because they've they've worked,you know and they've and they've
done things and and you knowtheir, their face may not be

(01:27:05):
quote-unquote currency yet, buttheir talent is, and there comes
a point where it switchesbetween your talent being the
currency and your face being thecurrency, and that's, and
that's different.
It doesn't.
It doesn't mean that one is,you know, more than the other,
obviously, like there's.
Then that's when, and that'swhen agents really get involved

(01:27:26):
and and lawyers really getinvolved through deals, and
that's when you're making money,money, money, money, money.
But, um, I don't think it'ssomething that fame is something
to be looked down upon.
I think it's something to beused, but it's definitely not
something to be looked for Iagree.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Yeah, I agree, I agree.
I think, at the end of the day,what you should strive for is
whatever it is that you findfulfillment in and know that,
whatever that thing is, it doeshave a seat at the table, and if
you're willing to work hard andbelieve in it and do it for the

(01:28:04):
right reasons and you can behappy, and I think that's what
this um whole thing is going tostand for.
And I'm going to try really hardand I'm going to fail, um to
not get on my soapbox everyepisode, but I think what a
wonderful sentiment, similar tothe first episode, for us to end

(01:28:25):
on.
And that again, if you want tohave a life I'm not talking
about celebrity, I'm not talkingabout fame, that stuff If
you're searching for that,godspeed.
But if you want to have a lifewhere you can work and do

(01:28:46):
something fulfilling and stillhave a couple of drinks at the
end of the night, go out fordinner, go on vacation, turn
your phone off and not worry,you know, and, and you know,
fall in love and have someadventures, you can do that, and
and I think that's pretty sicktoo, and I think that should be

(01:29:07):
celebrated as well so, um, yeah,as we uh keep going on this
adventure, uh, together, you andI and all of us, uh, let's see
how far we can push that idea.
How far can you take a dreamwithout sacrificing parts of

(01:29:27):
yourself?
You never should have had to inthe first place?
You know, cheers, babe, nomatter what Ever forward.
Son of a bitch, she said.
The thing Is that cheesy?
I don't think it's cheesy, weplay superheroes.
Goddamn right.
Who's playing?

(01:29:48):
Who's playing Baby?
Are you hungry?
I'm so hungry.
Do you think that we should getsomething to eat.
Do you have any cameras nearby?
I do, ahhhhhhhhh.
Well, that's over with.

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