September 3, 2025 • 17 mins
This recap episode focuses on anomalous archaeological discoveries in Egypt, particularly the Great Labyrinth and ancient hard-stone artefacts. Evidence suggests the labyrinth is an immense, multi-level underground structure, far exceeding the pyramids in scale, potentially containing a 40-metre metallic object. The source highlights how mainstream Egyptology has historically suppressed or ignored data from multiple expeditions, including those using advanced satellite scanning and ground-penetrating radar, which confirm the labyrinth's existence and even indicate its depths are largely free of groundwater. Furthermore, the conversation explores pre-dynastic Egyptian vases and megalithic statues that exhibit unprecedented precision and material hardness, suggesting the use of advanced machining techniques—possibly even nuclear-powered tools or other sophisticated methods unachievable by known ancient technologies. The speakers argue that these findings point to a lost, highly advanced civilisation preceding the dynastic Egyptians, challenging the conventional linear view of human technological progression and advocating for a more open, interdisciplinary approach to understanding ancient history.
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(00:00):
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap on the Deep dive.
Today we're embarking on really an extraordinary journey right
into the heart of ancient mysteries.
We're sifting through some trulyincredible new data.
You know, an ancient accounts. Our mission, as always, is to
pull up the most astonishing revelations from the sources you
shared, stuff that challenges everything we thought we knew
about Egypt and, frankly, human civilization itself.
(00:23):
Indeed, we're definitely moving beyond, let's say, conventional
history here. We'll be blending cutting edge
tech with well forgotten rotten text to paint a picture.
It's just a far more complex past than is generally accepted.
It's an exciting deep dive for sure.
Absolutely. And we're going to explore
structure. I mean, ancient writers claimed
it was greater than the pyramids.
We'll look at artifacts showing impossible precision for their
(00:45):
supposed era and even touch uponsome pretty radical ideas,
things like nuclear machining. So settle in, because this
conversation is going to be packed with revelations.
OK, let's start with this story that sounds almost mythical.
The labyrinth of Egypt. For centuries.
Ancient historians, travelers. They described a structure so
monumental it made the pyramid seem, well, almost ordinary in
(01:08):
comparison. What do these accounts actually
say? Yeah, and it's not just one or
two mentions, which is what makes this so compelling.
You've got authors like Herodotus writing around 500 BC
all the way through Theodorus Seculus, Pliny the Elder,
Strabo, right into the 1st century AD.
They described this place in a really vivid detail.
Herodotus, you know, a man who actually saw the theorem is he
(01:29):
famously declared it greater than words can say, surpassing
all the works of the Greeks in sheer labor and expense.
He actually said if you put together all the great works
produced by the Helene's, they would still be inferior to this
labyrinth. Wow.
And these weren't just vague feelings, right?
They talk specifics like 1500 rooms on one level, 3000 rooms
total, immense open courts with what, 40 columns on each side
(01:50):
and roofs made of single colossal stones?
That's just huge. Pliny the Elder even pushed its
construction date back 3600 years from his time, which
places it before the conventional pyramid dating.
That's staggering. A truly staggering timeline.
Diodora Siculus also added that its craftsmanship was so
profound, it left no room for successors to surpass it.
(02:12):
Just incredible skill. OK, so given such detailed
awestruck accounts from antiquity, yeah, how did
mainstream archaeology just decide it was lost?
Well, that's the question isn't it?
The prominent Egyptologist FW Flinders Patriot excavating in
the late 1800s. He did find a massive stone slab
about 1000 feet long. He believed it was the
Labyrinths foundation, but ultimately he concluded the rest
(02:35):
of it it had just been quarried away over millennia.
He literally stood on what he thought was the bottom layer and
basically said Yep it's gone. So for over 100 years, the story
was the labyrinth gone, carted away.
But that's that's not the end ofthe story, is it?
Not at all, not even close. The labyrinth wasn't gone, it
was just deeply buried. And, you know, relatively
recently modern science actuallyfound it.
(02:56):
What makes this so significant is the sheer sophistication of
the tech. They used the 2008 Matahar
Expedition. This was a collaboration with
Egypt Supreme Council Antiquities and the National
Research Institute. They used a whole suite of
advanced tools. Like what kind of tools?
Okay, so ground penetrating radar, GPR to visualize
structures, underground geomagnetism to detect anomalies
(03:19):
in the earths magnetic field, and both VLF seismic tomography
and electrical resistivity tomography.
You can think of these like sophisticated underground X-ray
machines, basically mapping the subsurface.
Underground X-ray. Yeah, that makes sense.
And what did they actually find?They pinpointed this immense
labyrinthian structure. Granite walls meters thick.
One scan section alone measured 100 by 150 meters, the overall
(03:43):
footprint estimated at 1000 feetlong.
And crucially, this scale perfectly matches those ancient
descriptions. It matches the descriptions OK,
but here's where it gets weird, right The suppression.
Yes, here's the controversial part.
Despite these conclusive findings, the results were
reportedly suppressed. Louis Duartier, the guy who
funded the Matterhar expedition.He apparently faced threats,
(04:06):
national security sanctions fromEgypt if he released the data.
Now. He did eventually publish it,
but only after quite a delay. Wow.
National security for archaeology.
Did that pattern continue? Was it a one off?
Unfortunately, no. It seems to be a pattern.
This is an isolated there was another expedition, Cairo and
Polish universities, in 2009. They independently confirmed the
labyrinth's existence and their data also reportedly covered up.
(04:30):
The lead researcher was even said to have been jailed for
trying to release the findings. Jailed.
That's intent. So multiple ground expeditions
confirm it, then get shut down. But the story doesn't end there.
Didn't space based scans come into play later?
Exactly, this is where the evidence becomes almost, well
undeniable. Both the German GS scan team and
(04:51):
the UK military derived Merlin Burroughs technology.
This is tech similar to advancedsystems used to detect
submarines. You know, analyzing subtle
surface patterns. They independently confirmed the
massive underground structure, They found it on both sides of a
modern canal that actually cuts through the site.
And these are highly established, proven
technologies. It's hard to argue with that
(05:12):
level of corroboration from different sources, different
tech. OK, discovering a buried
superstructure is amazing enough, but then these scans
picked up something really bizarre inside it at the heart
of the labyrinth. This is where it gets truly mind
bending. The Merlin Borough stands
specifically reported finding a 40m long metallic Tic Tac shaped
(05:32):
object. Tic Tac.
Yeah, like the candy shape rightin the labyrinth central atrium.
And it's deep, about 60 to 70 meters.
That's like 150 to 180 feet down.
Tim Acres, who's a highly credible expert involved in
these scans. He stated unequivocally.
It was definitely metal, not wood, not stone, and unlike
anything he'd ever encountered before.
(05:53):
He described the central atrium as vast, almost like a huge
underground shopping mall. You know, with connecting levels
visible in the scans. Metallic tic tac object very
deep in this colossal ancient structure.
Honestly my mind jumped straightto sci-fi.
It just sparks wild speculation doesn't it?
Like some kind of portal? Maybe Stargate?
Especially when you think about those literal stargate cliffs
(06:13):
found in Dendera Temple. They show constellations a
gateway. It's certainly a description
that grabs your attention. Yeah.
But what's crucial here is that it comes from a credible expert
detected by established technology.
It's not just some wild rumor. So if we step back and look at
the bigger picture, the officialreasons for this consistent
cover up around the labyrinth, they become complex, maybe more
(06:34):
understandable from a certain pragmatic viewpoint.
The site itself, at Huara in theFayum region.
It faces a massive problem, a rising groundwater table.
Out of the water. Exactly.
It's a direct consequence of theAswan High Dam built back in the
1960s. It basically eliminated the
Nile's traditional nine month dry season, so now the water
(06:55):
table is only about 5 meters below the surface.
OK, so you have this monumental,potentially world changing
discovery and it's essentially being submerged and any fix in
your mediation project would be astronomically expensive.
Plus, the Fayum is vital farmland for Egypt.
That's exactly it. It really looks like a political
calculation weighing national agricultural needs against this
(07:16):
historically disruptive, hugely expensive archaeological
project. It seems a decision was made to
just keep it under wraps rather than face international
criticism, A colossal financial burden or, you know, a decade
long project just to make it suitable for tourism.
That tough choice, I guess. Yeah, but frustrating.
Very, and it's speculated the lower levels might still be free
(07:38):
of water, but getting to them a monumental undertaking.
OK, let's shift gears a bit, moving from these huge buried
structures to the artifacts themselves.
You've often talked about a taleof two industries in ancient
Egypt. What does that mean?
What led you there? It's a critical distinction, I
think what we typically attribute to the dynastic
Egyptians, you know, there are known tools, their techniques,
(07:58):
they're often, let's be honest, primitive, handmade, less
precise artifacts that the storydoesn't explain everything we
find there's clearly a a second much more advanced industry
evident. You see it in certain
Hearthstone objects that show just phenomenal precision, real
complexity. The primitive industry, it's
well documented. We have their tools, scenes
showing them working their pottery matches, but these
(08:21):
advanced artifacts, they just don't fit that picture at all.
And the smoking gun for this theory you said before are the
pre dynastic vases. Absolutely.
These incredible vases often found in burials and they date
back as far as 12,000 maybe 14,000 BC, millennia before the
dynastic civilization even showsup.
The cultures associated with these burials like the Nakata,
they show 0 evidence of the technology needed to make these
(08:43):
things Their burials have like Hanford pottery, fishbone Combs,
simple sticks, basic stuff yet we find over 100,000 of these
impeccably made hard stone vessels often perfectly
provenance and. We're not talking rough carvings
here. You're talking about precision
that's hard to even see sometimes.
Exactly. Modern laser scanning, CT
standing. It reveals circularity,
(09:04):
flatness, centering tolerances that are comparable to today's
aerospace industry. We're talking within two to four
thousandths of an inch. That's thinner than a human
hair. To put that in perspective,
making features like the handleson some of these objects without
losing that incredible precisiontoday you'd likely need a 5 axis
CNC mail, a sophisticated computer control machine that
(09:26):
does complex multi directional cutting.
How they could have possibly achieved that with copper tools
and sand, it's just baffling. Incredible.
So the traditional explanation copper tools sand is an embrace.
If you looked into that, your analysis found something else we
did. We used scanning electron
microscope analysis SEM on fragments from these faces, and
(09:46):
we found no traces of copper embedded in the stone 0.
Instead, what we did detect wereembedded bits of titanium and
titanium alloys, often combined with iron, zinc, tin.
Now, these aren't naturally occurring combinations, they
require smelting processes whichsupposedly weren't discovered
until the late 1800s. Of course, you always have to
consider contamination in any analysis, but the way these
(10:07):
fragments were embedded like tiny pieces of a tool that broke
off and got wedged into the stone during the machining
process, it strongly suggests they were part of how these
things were made. Titanium alloys thousands of
years BC OK, But then beyond titanium, the analysis hinted at
something even more out there. Radioactivity.
Yeah, this is where the implications get truly profound,
(10:29):
maybe even uncomfortable for some.
These precision bases, they consistently show two to three
times the thorium decay productscompared to the surrounding base
rock or even compared to non precision bases found near by.
Some pieces, like one specific quartz artifact, even exhibit A
notable Cesium 137 signature. Cesium 137 isn't that
associated? Nuclear processes, yes, 1
(10:50):
hypothesis, and it's a big one, suggests some kind of nuclear
machining. The idea is that maybe highly
concentrated radioactive energy could have been used to ablate
or basically vaporize stone at amolecular level, like an
incredibly precise high energy beam.
Almost like a sci-fi lightsaber,but for stone.
That kind of interaction would leave exactly these unique
(11:12):
radioactive signatures we're seeing.
Another theory is maybe the vases themselves are part of
some system for processing or enriching radioactive materials.
We don't know, but the signatures are there.
Nuclear machining that connects to other huge logistical
mysteries, doesn't it? Like moving those massive
stones. How do the standard explanations
hold up for that? Well, if you connect this idea
of advanced capability to the bigger picture, like the
(11:33):
monumental structures, the conventional explanations often
falter pretty dramatically. Take the 1000 ton granite
statues. The obelisks moved hundreds,
sometimes thousands of miles upriver from Aswan.
That famous tomb depiction, you know the one showing a 57 ton
statue on a sled with hundreds of men pulling it gets sighted
all the time. But that doesn't scale linearly.
(11:54):
Up to 1000 or 1500 tons. The difficulty grows
exponentially. You simply can't fit enough
people around an object that massive to pull it with ropes
and sleds and putting it on a wooden boat.
The displacement needed is just enormous, right?
You've compared this before to Russia's Thunderstone.
That huge block moved in the 1700s.
Yeah. What does that comparison show
us? Precisely that project moving a
(12:15):
1500 ton block. It took years and it required
serious engineering. Cap stands, pulleys, iron rails,
bronze spheres acting like ball bearings.
Technology that ancient Egyptians simply aren't credited
with having. Furthermore, you look at the
quarry for the unfinished obelisk at Aswan.
It shows these strange scoop marks almost like giant ice
(12:36):
cream scoops took chunks out, and there's even pre dynastic
art on the walls down there. It suggests extraction before
dynastic times and the idea of moving that massive thing
upriver using primitive methods.It just doesn't seem feasible.
The evidence points towards an earlier, more technologically
capable period. So OK, the labyrinth is real,
potentially suppressed. The artifacts show impossible
(12:57):
precision, maybe even radioactive hints.
The massive structures define known engineering for that time.
What does this do to our understanding of the timeline,
the chronology? Things like the erosion evidence
at Giza seem to push everything way back.
It really forces us to confront a major anomaly.
Yeah. Why are some structures so much
more eroded than others that were supposedly built at the
(13:17):
same time? You look at some limestone
blocks at the Giza Pyramid temple, for instance.
They show up to 2 feet of erosion.
Studies on hard limestone weathering suggest it could take
60,000, maybe even 120,000 yearsfor that much erosion,
especially in climates more erosive than the desert we see
today. Yet right nearby you have other
structures, supposedly contemporary, showing basically
(13:39):
none, even when they're at the same elevation, made from this
same type of stone. That stark contrast demands a
better explanation than we currently have.
And recent geology adds another layer connecting the Giza
temples to an ancient river. Absolutely.
A really ground breaking 2024 peer reviewed paper identified
what they called the Aramat branch of the Nile.
This wasn't the Nile we know. It was a miles wide waterway
(14:01):
that flowed during the African Humid period.
That period ended around 6000 BC, way before dynastic Egypt is
supposed to have started. And what's compelling is that
all the valley temples along theGiza plateau are strategically
located right on the banks of this ancient massive water
source. It strongly suggests they were
built to interact with that river, not the much smaller
(14:23):
later Nile floods, which impliesconstruction far, far earlier
than currently accepted. You'd naturally build your
monumental stuff near your main transport artery.
Right. Seems like academia often just
dismisses this kind of data or ignores it if it doesn't fit the
neat established narrative. Unfortunately, yes, there is a
persistent gatekeeping phenomenon.
(14:44):
Data that challenges the Orthodox timeline often gets
sidelined or it's explained awayby invoking the national
project, this idea that sheer manpower an organization
achieved everything, it becomes a convenient but often
technologically insufficient explanation for these monumental
feats, You know? In stark contrast, earlier
archaeologists like Petrie, theywere more intellectually honest
(15:05):
about what they didn't know. Petrie himself marveled at the
machining marks he found, openlyadmitting he couldn't explain
them with known ancient Egyptiantech.
That kind of open mindedness seems to have diminished in some
circles today. So we've covered a lot.
Underground labyrinths with metallic objects inside
precision artifacts hint to get lost tech geological evidence
radically re dating iconic structures.
(15:27):
This deep dive has truly challenged that simple, linear,
progressive view of history. Completely, If you connect all
these threads, look at the bigger picture.
It really suggests an oscillation, maybe cycles of
advanced civilizations rising then falling due to cataclysms,
rather than just a continuous upward March of human
development. The ancient Egyptians
themselves, you know, they called theirs a legacy culture.
(15:48):
They trace their own history back 40,000 years.
They talked about the Shemsu Hor, the Zep Tepi, these earlier
periods when gods or semi divinebeings supposedly walk the
earth. What they said echoes precisely
what we're seeing in the physical evidence this profound
disconnect between the known dynastic culture and the scale
and sophistication of the feats attributed to them.
(16:10):
And the fact that modern humans,Homo sapiens, might have been
around for 800,000, maybe 900,000 years, traversing
multiple ice ages, multiple warmperiods where civilization could
have flourished, it really opensup that possibility.
Sophisticated lost civilizations, lost
technologies. And like you say, this isn't
necessarily about aliens. Could just be about advanced
human ingenuity. Lost to time, Forgotten, maybe
(16:32):
erased by global catastrophes. Exactly.
And what's truly fascinating here, I think, is that embracing
these possibilities isn't just about rewriting dusty old
history books. It's profoundly relevant to our
future, recognizing that our ancestors might have reached
incredible technological heightsonly to fall, maybe due to
cataclysm, maybe self destruction.
It prompts us to think much morecritically about our own path
(16:54):
forward. It encourages us maybe to invest
in long term thinking, sustainable practices,
understanding the cycles of nature rather than just blindly
repeating potentially destructive patterns.
So wrapping this up is you the listener reflect on this deep
dive into Egypt's hidden past. What really stands out?
What resonates most? Is it the thought that maybe
history isn't linear but cyclical?
(17:16):
That idea of rise and fall? Or maybe it's the concept that
the gods of ancient legend, perhaps they were just advanced
humans from a forgotten earlier time?
The implications, however you look at it, for how we view
ourselves, our history, our potential, they're truly
profound.
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap on the Deep dive.
Today we're embarking on really an extraordinary journey right
into the heart of ancient mysteries.
We're sifting through some trulyincredible new data.
You know, an ancient accounts. Our mission, as always, is to
pull up the most astonishing revelations from the sources you
shared, stuff that challenges everything we thought we knew
about Egypt and, frankly, human civilization itself.
(00:23):
Indeed, we're definitely moving beyond, let's say, conventional
history here. We'll be blending cutting edge
tech with well forgotten rotten text to paint a picture.
It's just a far more complex past than is generally accepted.
It's an exciting deep dive for sure.
Absolutely. And we're going to explore
structure. I mean, ancient writers claimed
it was greater than the pyramids.
We'll look at artifacts showing impossible precision for their
(00:45):
supposed era and even touch uponsome pretty radical ideas,
things like nuclear machining. So settle in, because this
conversation is going to be packed with revelations.
OK, let's start with this story that sounds almost mythical.
The labyrinth of Egypt. For centuries.
Ancient historians, travelers. They described a structure so
monumental it made the pyramid seem, well, almost ordinary in
(01:08):
comparison. What do these accounts actually
say? Yeah, and it's not just one or
two mentions, which is what makes this so compelling.
You've got authors like Herodotus writing around 500 BC
all the way through Theodorus Seculus, Pliny the Elder,
Strabo, right into the 1st century AD.
They described this place in a really vivid detail.
Herodotus, you know, a man who actually saw the theorem is he
(01:29):
famously declared it greater than words can say, surpassing
all the works of the Greeks in sheer labor and expense.
He actually said if you put together all the great works
produced by the Helene's, they would still be inferior to this
labyrinth. Wow.
And these weren't just vague feelings, right?
They talk specifics like 1500 rooms on one level, 3000 rooms
total, immense open courts with what, 40 columns on each side
(01:50):
and roofs made of single colossal stones?
That's just huge. Pliny the Elder even pushed its
construction date back 3600 years from his time, which
places it before the conventional pyramid dating.
That's staggering. A truly staggering timeline.
Diodora Siculus also added that its craftsmanship was so
profound, it left no room for successors to surpass it.
(02:12):
Just incredible skill. OK, so given such detailed
awestruck accounts from antiquity, yeah, how did
mainstream archaeology just decide it was lost?
Well, that's the question isn't it?
The prominent Egyptologist FW Flinders Patriot excavating in
the late 1800s. He did find a massive stone slab
about 1000 feet long. He believed it was the
Labyrinths foundation, but ultimately he concluded the rest
(02:35):
of it it had just been quarried away over millennia.
He literally stood on what he thought was the bottom layer and
basically said Yep it's gone. So for over 100 years, the story
was the labyrinth gone, carted away.
But that's that's not the end ofthe story, is it?
Not at all, not even close. The labyrinth wasn't gone, it
was just deeply buried. And, you know, relatively
recently modern science actuallyfound it.
(02:56):
What makes this so significant is the sheer sophistication of
the tech. They used the 2008 Matahar
Expedition. This was a collaboration with
Egypt Supreme Council Antiquities and the National
Research Institute. They used a whole suite of
advanced tools. Like what kind of tools?
Okay, so ground penetrating radar, GPR to visualize
structures, underground geomagnetism to detect anomalies
(03:19):
in the earths magnetic field, and both VLF seismic tomography
and electrical resistivity tomography.
You can think of these like sophisticated underground X-ray
machines, basically mapping the subsurface.
Underground X-ray. Yeah, that makes sense.
And what did they actually find?They pinpointed this immense
labyrinthian structure. Granite walls meters thick.
One scan section alone measured 100 by 150 meters, the overall
(03:43):
footprint estimated at 1000 feetlong.
And crucially, this scale perfectly matches those ancient
descriptions. It matches the descriptions OK,
but here's where it gets weird, right The suppression.
Yes, here's the controversial part.
Despite these conclusive findings, the results were
reportedly suppressed. Louis Duartier, the guy who
funded the Matterhar expedition.He apparently faced threats,
(04:06):
national security sanctions fromEgypt if he released the data.
Now. He did eventually publish it,
but only after quite a delay. Wow.
National security for archaeology.
Did that pattern continue? Was it a one off?
Unfortunately, no. It seems to be a pattern.
This is an isolated there was another expedition, Cairo and
Polish universities, in 2009. They independently confirmed the
labyrinth's existence and their data also reportedly covered up.
(04:30):
The lead researcher was even said to have been jailed for
trying to release the findings. Jailed.
That's intent. So multiple ground expeditions
confirm it, then get shut down. But the story doesn't end there.
Didn't space based scans come into play later?
Exactly, this is where the evidence becomes almost, well
undeniable. Both the German GS scan team and
(04:51):
the UK military derived Merlin Burroughs technology.
This is tech similar to advancedsystems used to detect
submarines. You know, analyzing subtle
surface patterns. They independently confirmed the
massive underground structure, They found it on both sides of a
modern canal that actually cuts through the site.
And these are highly established, proven
technologies. It's hard to argue with that
(05:12):
level of corroboration from different sources, different
tech. OK, discovering a buried
superstructure is amazing enough, but then these scans
picked up something really bizarre inside it at the heart
of the labyrinth. This is where it gets truly mind
bending. The Merlin Borough stands
specifically reported finding a 40m long metallic Tic Tac shaped
(05:32):
object. Tic Tac.
Yeah, like the candy shape rightin the labyrinth central atrium.
And it's deep, about 60 to 70 meters.
That's like 150 to 180 feet down.
Tim Acres, who's a highly credible expert involved in
these scans. He stated unequivocally.
It was definitely metal, not wood, not stone, and unlike
anything he'd ever encountered before.
(05:53):
He described the central atrium as vast, almost like a huge
underground shopping mall. You know, with connecting levels
visible in the scans. Metallic tic tac object very
deep in this colossal ancient structure.
Honestly my mind jumped straightto sci-fi.
It just sparks wild speculation doesn't it?
Like some kind of portal? Maybe Stargate?
Especially when you think about those literal stargate cliffs
(06:13):
found in Dendera Temple. They show constellations a
gateway. It's certainly a description
that grabs your attention. Yeah.
But what's crucial here is that it comes from a credible expert
detected by established technology.
It's not just some wild rumor. So if we step back and look at
the bigger picture, the officialreasons for this consistent
cover up around the labyrinth, they become complex, maybe more
(06:34):
understandable from a certain pragmatic viewpoint.
The site itself, at Huara in theFayum region.
It faces a massive problem, a rising groundwater table.
Out of the water. Exactly.
It's a direct consequence of theAswan High Dam built back in the
1960s. It basically eliminated the
Nile's traditional nine month dry season, so now the water
(06:55):
table is only about 5 meters below the surface.
OK, so you have this monumental,potentially world changing
discovery and it's essentially being submerged and any fix in
your mediation project would be astronomically expensive.
Plus, the Fayum is vital farmland for Egypt.
That's exactly it. It really looks like a political
calculation weighing national agricultural needs against this
(07:16):
historically disruptive, hugely expensive archaeological
project. It seems a decision was made to
just keep it under wraps rather than face international
criticism, A colossal financial burden or, you know, a decade
long project just to make it suitable for tourism.
That tough choice, I guess. Yeah, but frustrating.
Very, and it's speculated the lower levels might still be free
(07:38):
of water, but getting to them a monumental undertaking.
OK, let's shift gears a bit, moving from these huge buried
structures to the artifacts themselves.
You've often talked about a taleof two industries in ancient
Egypt. What does that mean?
What led you there? It's a critical distinction, I
think what we typically attribute to the dynastic
Egyptians, you know, there are known tools, their techniques,
(07:58):
they're often, let's be honest, primitive, handmade, less
precise artifacts that the storydoesn't explain everything we
find there's clearly a a second much more advanced industry
evident. You see it in certain
Hearthstone objects that show just phenomenal precision, real
complexity. The primitive industry, it's
well documented. We have their tools, scenes
showing them working their pottery matches, but these
(08:21):
advanced artifacts, they just don't fit that picture at all.
And the smoking gun for this theory you said before are the
pre dynastic vases. Absolutely.
These incredible vases often found in burials and they date
back as far as 12,000 maybe 14,000 BC, millennia before the
dynastic civilization even showsup.
The cultures associated with these burials like the Nakata,
they show 0 evidence of the technology needed to make these
(08:43):
things Their burials have like Hanford pottery, fishbone Combs,
simple sticks, basic stuff yet we find over 100,000 of these
impeccably made hard stone vessels often perfectly
provenance and. We're not talking rough carvings
here. You're talking about precision
that's hard to even see sometimes.
Exactly. Modern laser scanning, CT
standing. It reveals circularity,
(09:04):
flatness, centering tolerances that are comparable to today's
aerospace industry. We're talking within two to four
thousandths of an inch. That's thinner than a human
hair. To put that in perspective,
making features like the handleson some of these objects without
losing that incredible precisiontoday you'd likely need a 5 axis
CNC mail, a sophisticated computer control machine that
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does complex multi directional cutting.
How they could have possibly achieved that with copper tools
and sand, it's just baffling. Incredible.
So the traditional explanation copper tools sand is an embrace.
If you looked into that, your analysis found something else we
did. We used scanning electron
microscope analysis SEM on fragments from these faces, and
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we found no traces of copper embedded in the stone 0.
Instead, what we did detect wereembedded bits of titanium and
titanium alloys, often combined with iron, zinc, tin.
Now, these aren't naturally occurring combinations, they
require smelting processes whichsupposedly weren't discovered
until the late 1800s. Of course, you always have to
consider contamination in any analysis, but the way these
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fragments were embedded like tiny pieces of a tool that broke
off and got wedged into the stone during the machining
process, it strongly suggests they were part of how these
things were made. Titanium alloys thousands of
years BC OK, But then beyond titanium, the analysis hinted at
something even more out there. Radioactivity.
Yeah, this is where the implications get truly profound,
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maybe even uncomfortable for some.
These precision bases, they consistently show two to three
times the thorium decay productscompared to the surrounding base
rock or even compared to non precision bases found near by.
Some pieces, like one specific quartz artifact, even exhibit A
notable Cesium 137 signature. Cesium 137 isn't that
associated? Nuclear processes, yes, 1
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hypothesis, and it's a big one, suggests some kind of nuclear
machining. The idea is that maybe highly
concentrated radioactive energy could have been used to ablate
or basically vaporize stone at amolecular level, like an
incredibly precise high energy beam.
Almost like a sci-fi lightsaber,but for stone.
That kind of interaction would leave exactly these unique
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radioactive signatures we're seeing.
Another theory is maybe the vases themselves are part of
some system for processing or enriching radioactive materials.
We don't know, but the signatures are there.
Nuclear machining that connects to other huge logistical
mysteries, doesn't it? Like moving those massive
stones. How do the standard explanations
hold up for that? Well, if you connect this idea
of advanced capability to the bigger picture, like the
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monumental structures, the conventional explanations often
falter pretty dramatically. Take the 1000 ton granite
statues. The obelisks moved hundreds,
sometimes thousands of miles upriver from Aswan.
That famous tomb depiction, you know the one showing a 57 ton
statue on a sled with hundreds of men pulling it gets sighted
all the time. But that doesn't scale linearly.
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Up to 1000 or 1500 tons. The difficulty grows
exponentially. You simply can't fit enough
people around an object that massive to pull it with ropes
and sleds and putting it on a wooden boat.
The displacement needed is just enormous, right?
You've compared this before to Russia's Thunderstone.
That huge block moved in the 1700s.
Yeah. What does that comparison show
us? Precisely that project moving a
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1500 ton block. It took years and it required
serious engineering. Cap stands, pulleys, iron rails,
bronze spheres acting like ball bearings.
Technology that ancient Egyptians simply aren't credited
with having. Furthermore, you look at the
quarry for the unfinished obelisk at Aswan.
It shows these strange scoop marks almost like giant ice
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cream scoops took chunks out, and there's even pre dynastic
art on the walls down there. It suggests extraction before
dynastic times and the idea of moving that massive thing
upriver using primitive methods.It just doesn't seem feasible.
The evidence points towards an earlier, more technologically
capable period. So OK, the labyrinth is real,
potentially suppressed. The artifacts show impossible
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precision, maybe even radioactive hints.
The massive structures define known engineering for that time.
What does this do to our understanding of the timeline,
the chronology? Things like the erosion evidence
at Giza seem to push everything way back.
It really forces us to confront a major anomaly.
Yeah. Why are some structures so much
more eroded than others that were supposedly built at the
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same time? You look at some limestone
blocks at the Giza Pyramid temple, for instance.
They show up to 2 feet of erosion.
Studies on hard limestone weathering suggest it could take
60,000, maybe even 120,000 yearsfor that much erosion,
especially in climates more erosive than the desert we see
today. Yet right nearby you have other
structures, supposedly contemporary, showing basically
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none, even when they're at the same elevation, made from this
same type of stone. That stark contrast demands a
better explanation than we currently have.
And recent geology adds another layer connecting the Giza
temples to an ancient river. Absolutely.
A really ground breaking 2024 peer reviewed paper identified
what they called the Aramat branch of the Nile.
This wasn't the Nile we know. It was a miles wide waterway
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that flowed during the African Humid period.
That period ended around 6000 BC, way before dynastic Egypt is
supposed to have started. And what's compelling is that
all the valley temples along theGiza plateau are strategically
located right on the banks of this ancient massive water
source. It strongly suggests they were
built to interact with that river, not the much smaller
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later Nile floods, which impliesconstruction far, far earlier
than currently accepted. You'd naturally build your
monumental stuff near your main transport artery.
Right. Seems like academia often just
dismisses this kind of data or ignores it if it doesn't fit the
neat established narrative. Unfortunately, yes, there is a
persistent gatekeeping phenomenon.
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Data that challenges the Orthodox timeline often gets
sidelined or it's explained awayby invoking the national
project, this idea that sheer manpower an organization
achieved everything, it becomes a convenient but often
technologically insufficient explanation for these monumental
feats, You know? In stark contrast, earlier
archaeologists like Petrie, theywere more intellectually honest
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about what they didn't know. Petrie himself marveled at the
machining marks he found, openlyadmitting he couldn't explain
them with known ancient Egyptiantech.
That kind of open mindedness seems to have diminished in some
circles today. So we've covered a lot.
Underground labyrinths with metallic objects inside
precision artifacts hint to get lost tech geological evidence
radically re dating iconic structures.
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This deep dive has truly challenged that simple, linear,
progressive view of history. Completely, If you connect all
these threads, look at the bigger picture.
It really suggests an oscillation, maybe cycles of
advanced civilizations rising then falling due to cataclysms,
rather than just a continuous upward March of human
development. The ancient Egyptians
themselves, you know, they called theirs a legacy culture.
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They trace their own history back 40,000 years.
They talked about the Shemsu Hor, the Zep Tepi, these earlier
periods when gods or semi divinebeings supposedly walk the
earth. What they said echoes precisely
what we're seeing in the physical evidence this profound
disconnect between the known dynastic culture and the scale
and sophistication of the feats attributed to them.
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And the fact that modern humans,Homo sapiens, might have been
around for 800,000, maybe 900,000 years, traversing
multiple ice ages, multiple warmperiods where civilization could
have flourished, it really opensup that possibility.
Sophisticated lost civilizations, lost
technologies. And like you say, this isn't
necessarily about aliens. Could just be about advanced
human ingenuity. Lost to time, Forgotten, maybe
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erased by global catastrophes. Exactly.
And what's truly fascinating here, I think, is that embracing
these possibilities isn't just about rewriting dusty old
history books. It's profoundly relevant to our
future, recognizing that our ancestors might have reached
incredible technological heightsonly to fall, maybe due to
cataclysm, maybe self destruction.
It prompts us to think much morecritically about our own path
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forward. It encourages us maybe to invest
in long term thinking, sustainable practices,
understanding the cycles of nature rather than just blindly
repeating potentially destructive patterns.
So wrapping this up is you the listener reflect on this deep
dive into Egypt's hidden past. What really stands out?
What resonates most? Is it the thought that maybe
history isn't linear but cyclical?
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That idea of rise and fall? Or maybe it's the concept that
the gods of ancient legend, perhaps they were just advanced
humans from a forgotten earlier time?
The implications, however you look at it, for how we view
ourselves, our history, our potential, they're truly
profound.
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