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Welcome to the Deep Dive. Today, we're taking a deep dive
into an incredibly rich conversation, the one Joe Rogan
had with Chad Wright and his episode hashtag 2358.
Yeah, think of this as your personal shortcut to extracting
the most surprising insights and, you know, connecting
seemingly disparate ideas from one truly wide-ranging
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discussion. Exactly.
This wasn't just a talk. It was, well, a journey from the
very ground beneath our feet, literally.
They talked about agriculture all the way to profound personal
transformation, the mysteries oflife and death, and even, like,
the nature of truth itself. Wow.
Our mission here is really to pull out those crucial Nuggets
of knowledge, help you connect the dots across these wildly
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different topics. All right, let's unpack this.
We're jumping straight into somefascinating observations that
really hit close to home. Starting with a surprising
thread about health and our environment.
The conversation kicked off withsome really thought provoking
stuff about personal health choices, like chewing tobacco.
What immediately stood out was the concern raised about mouth
cancer, specifically the speculation around chemicals may
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be being sprayed on tobacco during its growth.
Right. It just makes you wonder what
else is lurking in things we consume daily, you know?
That's where it really expands into broader environmental
issues. And, well, here's a stat that
genuinely stopped me. 100% of California wines tested were
found to contain glyphosate. Like 100 percent, 100%.
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Yeah. This isn't just a data point.
It fundamentally challenges our assumptions about food purity.
It reveals that even products wemight think of as natural are,
you know, deeply entangled with industrial chemical agriculture.
It's. Huge.
It forces us to reconsider the hidden costs of our food
systems. Wow, 100% of all California
wines. That's genuinely shocking, and
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it immediately brings to mind the the dramatic contrast they
drew between industrial farming and regenerative agriculture,
doesn't it? Absolutely.
The conversation used Will Harris from White Ox Pastures as
this perfect vivid example. He described the visual
difference. You know, the pale dead soil you
find on an industrial farm versus the dark, rich, alive
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soil you get from regenerative practices.
The core message there is the incredible 20 year, often super
costly grind it takes to actually transform that land.
It highlights that, well, restoring our environment is
anything but a quick fix. And Speaking of environments,
the conversation then dramatically shifted from the
ground beneath our feet to the sensory experience of living in
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a dense city like Austin versus 700 acres in the Appalachian
foothills. You could almost feel the city's
impact, the air burning your nose, the coughing, that sour
smell. He even compared it to Lagos,
Nigeria. It truly put the urban sprawl
into perspective. It paints such a powerful
picture, doesn't it? The core insight here is that
while our bodies do adapt to constant urban sensory overload
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and noise pollution, this acclamation it might come at the
profound cost of our mental quietude, maybe even our long
term health. Like an erosion you don't
notice. Exactly.
It's almost an imperceptible erosion of our innate capacity
for peace. And it raises an even bigger
question. How do you sustainably feed
populations packed so tightly into one area without relying on
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these very industrialized systems they were just
criticizing? That's a fundamental challenge.
It really is feature for modern society.
That's a huge question, and whatreally hit me hard was how
unflinchingly the conversation then touched on the idea of
humans having a, well, a propensity to stoop lower than
an animal, right? That was stark.
This was specifically in the context of urban homelessness
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and addiction. Like smoke and crack.
Yeah, it was such a stark, uncomfortable contrast to the
rural, almost idyllic life they just described.
And that's where the personal anecdote about his wife's
recovery and her past experiences added such a
powerful layer of empathy. Yeah, it really highlights how
profoundly different different environments and personal
histories can shape our perspectives on human struggle
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and resilience. It's easy to judge from a
distance, right? But understanding the journey
offers a much deeper insight into the human condition.
OK, so building on how our environment shapes us, the
conversation then takes us from those crowded city streets to
the untamed wilderness, delving into the powerful connection
with nature found through hunting.
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From those broad societal observations, we then move into
this profound connection with nature through hunting.
Imagine squirrel hunting every single day with a mountain cur
dog and the unique joy of group squirrel hunting.
He said. It's loud, social, and a blast,
completely unlike those quiet solitary hunts you often
picture. Different vibe entirely.
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Sounds like a truly immersive way to live.
The discussion brought in from small game to various forms of
hunting and the anticipation of a first elk hunt, maybe in New
Mexico or Utah, came up. What was particularly
interesting was the mention of the crazy genetics of
Yellowstone elk near the Arizonaborder, apparently known for
their exceptionally larger antlers.
It's sort of a testament to the influence of environment on
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wildlife. And the deep dive then
contrasted bow hunting, specifically for whitetails,
with rifle hunting. The emphasis was really on the
skill and, well, the incredible challenge of getting within 70
to 80 yards with a bow. That's close.
Yeah, and you learn about advanced Hoyt bows with carbon
risers, apparently a game changer because unlike
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traditional aluminum, carbon doesn't transfer cold.
Oh, that makes sense. Which means.
Less discomfort during long, cold weights, allowing the
hunter to maintain focus and precision makes older bows truly
feel, well, archaic. That's a great point about the
tech. But then the conversation
stepped back to truly traditional methods.
They talked about longbows, which require extreme closeness.
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We're talking like 7 to 10 yards, as exemplified by mule
deer stalking in the vast Utah wilderness.
But then it introduces the axis deer in Hawaii, an animal that
evolved with tigers, apparently.In Hawaii, Tigers.
Well evolved with them elsewhere, then introduced to
Hawaii. It makes them incredibly fast
and prone to ducking the arrow even at what seems like long
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distances. This leads to a unique situation
in Hawaii where axis deer overpopulation means year round
high pressure hunting. It's a fascinating example of
how introduced species can dramatically alter an ecosystem.
So whether it's through cutting edge bows or ancient long bows,
the journey from field to table is always next.
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Transitioning to the plate, the conversation then dove into
cooking wild game. Raccoon was described as greasy.
Definitely eating slow cooking in a crock pot and small game
like squirrel and rabbit can be quite tough if not prepared just
right. Right, got to know what you're
doing. Elk, however, received universal
praise for being consistently delicious.
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And you'll get a practical culinary tip from this deep
dive. The reverse seer method for
steak learned from Cha Whiskey Bent BBQ.
Oh yeah, presented as the secretto the juiciest results, this
approach extends beautifully to preparing wild game, including
bear meat and turning. It's not just edible, but truly
enjoyable. Good tip.
The discussion also outlined an almost off grid lifestyle,
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touching on family members raising cows, baking bread,
growing vegetables, collecting spring water.
The whole picture. Yeah, it really hammered home
the idea that true self-sufficiency isn't a solo
endeavor, it's a community effort.
And they mentioned that in a true subsistence scenario, you'd
primarily be hunting small gameslike squirrels, possums and
coons, which are just more readily available.
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Makes sense. You hunt what's there.
OK, so the conversation shifts from these broad societal
observations to deeply personal,even primal connections with
nature. And this really kicks off with
some incredible hunting stories.Yeah, those were something.
I found the narrative about hunting 500 LB black bears in
Virginia's Great Dismal Swamp genuinely gripping, especially
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that terrifying close encounter where a bear slid down a tree
right towards the hunter. Whoa.
That story really highlights theraw intensity of hunting,
doesn't it? And it actually connects to some
fascinating historical context. Like what?
Early pioneers like Daniel Boone, for instance, actually
preferred bear meat and fat overdeer for sustenance.
They understood its caloric value and how well it could
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sustain them. Really.
Bear over deer. Yeah, but the key to good
tasting bear meat, as the discussion makes clear, really
hinges on the animals diet. Acorns and corn make for much
better flavor than bears that have been scavenging, you know,
rotten meat. OK, diet matters.
Absolutely. And of course, proper brining
and slow cooking are essential for a palatable result.
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OK, that makes sense from the wild outdoors.
The discussion then takes an even deeper, more personal turn,
exploring the guests incredible personal journey, particularly
his military service and profound spiritual awakening.
Right, let's unpack the path that led him to becoming a Navy
SEAL, including literally undergoing heart surgery just to
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qualify. Which is incredible in itself.
And the sheer game rooster mentality that drove him through
it all. Here's where it gets really
interesting and incredibly raw. The conversation bravely delves
into a darker period of his SEALcareer.
The anger, the rampant sin, a negligent discharge incident,
and the crushing guilt over abandoning his mentor, Jake
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Hubman, who later died by suicide.
It's a profound look at the tollsuch a life can take.
Yeah, heavy stuff. And this leads to a pivotal,
almost unbelievable experience in a German barracks.
Described it as being inhabited by a demon.
OK, you hear about strange noises and oppressive
suffocating feeling, and the crucial sanity check that other
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Seals also felt it, confirming it wasn't just in his head.
So others experienced it too. Apparently this prompted a
desperate call to his Christian brother.
The deep dive then describes what he recounts as a
supernatural intervention, a pastor's prayer over the phone,
the anointing of the barracks store with olive oil.
Olive oil, Yeah. Leading to immediate peace.
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And get this, an inexplicable olive oil residue covering the
door. Later, this experience is
presented as the catalyst for aninstantaneous spiritual.
Change. Becoming a new creature, he
said, with a complete, immediateloss of appetite for sin,
pornography, foul language. The pig in garbage analogy
beautifully illustrates this transformed desire.
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It makes it clear how fundamentally his desires just
shift. That's an astonishing account of
transformation, and building on that theme of spiritual
journeys, the conversation profoundly shifts to the guests
experience of sitting with his dying mentor Don Tidwell, and
the deep lessons learned about the nature of death itself.
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It's truly a poignant part of the discussion.
It introduces something called death reach, apparently a
phenomenon widely reported in Hospice.
Death reach? Yeah, where individuals nearing
death often extend their hands or call out to unseen loved
ones, as if glimpsing or actively engaging with the other
realm. You hear about Mr. Don's
dramatic final moments, which for many serves as powerful
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anecdotal evidence for somethingbeyond this life.
It's a truly powerful perspective on our own
mortality, isn't it? The core insight there is that
death is indeed the great foe, and despite all our
advancements, humanity seems inherently unable to solve it
right. We can prolong life, maybe fight
aging, but we haven't conquered death itself.
And this leads to a broader discussion contrasting
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scientific efforts to treat aging as a disease.
You know, David Sinclair's work,Modern stuff like NMN,
hyperbaric treatments, red lighttherapy.
Right, the biohacking stuff. Versus the idea of death as a
natural essential function of maintaining balance in nature.
The short life spans of mosquitoes and deer are used to
illustrate this natural cycle. It makes you consider if
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fighting death is truly in line with the natural order.
Fascinating contrast. And flowing from that, the
conversation deeply contemplateswhy humans must die according to
scripture, attributing it to sinwhich marred man's genetic code
and ability to perceive the Almighty.
They even theorize about Jesus'sphysical body being unaffected
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by sin, thus not decaying. This really prompts an important
question about the interplay of faith and logic, you know?
The Shroud of Turin is discussed, including the
controversies around its carbon dating, the mysterious image
that only appeared in negative, and these theories about its
creation by some kind of energy burst always debated.
And the deep dive also touches on the concept of divine
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influence over the preservation of scriptures, citing the Dead
Sea Scrolls and Isaiah 53's precise prophecy of Christ
written centuries before his birth.
It forces you to consider what counts as evidence across
different fields of thought. And then you get a fantastic
dose of country boy logic applied to evolution.
Yeah, what was that? How could 3.5 billion years of
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evolution produce a species, humans, that lives for only
about 75 years and is so incredibly vulnerable?
It's a simple question that really pushes back on
conventional wisdom from a different angle.
Exactly. We hear about scientific views
on human evolution, the timelineof Homo sapiens, various
hominids, the puzzling doubling of the human brain.
But then the conversation pivotsto archaeological mysteries like
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like the newly found structures under Egyptian pyramids going
kilometers deep, which genuinelychallenge current understandings
of human history and ancient capabilities.
Kilometers deep. Wow.
Yeah, there's even a mention of the biblical concept of men of
renown from Angelica Pro Creation, presenting completely
different frameworks for understanding our origins.
Wild stuff. And amidst all these profound
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discussions, the conversation also addresses the problem with
man in interpreting truth. Yes, human nature.
Highlighting human hyperbole, exaggeration and how religion
can unfortunately be used for control.
Citing examples like Mega pastors Joel Osteen, Jesse
Duplantis, the guest openly admits to the hypocrisy within
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the visible church. Which is an honest take.
Very refreshing. This is where the core message
really shines through though. Despite human fallibility and
the obvious issues within religious institutions, genuine
Christian teachings, when truly embraced, lead to profound
personal transformation and foster compassion and charity.
So the experience versus the institution?
Kind of. The weird jump from critical
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thinking to faith is acknowledged, but its inherent
value for those who experience it is it's powerfully presented.
It highlights that personal experience often transcends pure
logic. And for those who might struggle
with that jump, you hear the concept of the cross being
foolishness and the idea of election.
The belief for some is a gift, not necessarily a chosen action.
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Right, different theological perspectives.
It offers a different lens through which to view faith.
The skeptical argument that faith defies logic is directly
addressed with a counterpoint. Terence Mckenna's idea that
science demands belief in The Big Bang miracle.
Oh, interesting. Which is argued to be even more
crazy than resurrection when youtruly break it down.
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And to under score the ever evolving nature of scientific
understanding and the limits of human knowledge, they bring in
the James Webb Telescope's findings.
Yeah, those are shaking things up.
Exactly. Challenging some Big Bang
theories suggesting an older, possibly infinite universe like
Roger Penrose has theorized. It's a powerful reminder that
our understanding, both scientific and spiritual, is
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constantly expanding. What a journey from profound
spiritual shifts to the practicalities of navigating
public life. The conversation then offers
valuable insights into the slow,steady rise to public
recognition. Like Rogan's path from stand up
to fear factor, they explain whythis slow burn is often
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healthier for character development than sudden fame.
It makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
It absolutely does, and this ties directly into the concept
of voluntary adversity as crucial for mental sanity and
character development. You hear about physical
challenges like working out the humbling experience of jiu
jitsu. Right, getting tapped.
Exactly. And ultra running, including the
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grueling Yukon 1000 race, which even though unfinished, provided
vital struggle. The insight is that choosing
hard things, choosing adversity,helps you build resilience for
the unexpected challenges life throws at you.
That's a powerful lesson. This emphasizes how embracing
physical adversity helps cultivate that mental toughness
and enables individuals to navigate the complex waters of
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public life with greater resilience, no matter what comes
their way. Building that inner fortress
like you said. Yeah.
And as they wrapped up, the guests recounted advice like
stick to what you know, but countered it by stressing the
critical importance of asking questions, not being married to
ideas. Which is key.
And recognizing that true knowledge often begins with the
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humble realization that you really don't know much, it's a
wonderful reminder to stay curious.
This concept is deeply linked tobroader societal issues,
highlighting how pride and clinging to incorrect
information, often fueled by a mindset like you can't trust the
government, pharmaceutical, drugcompanies, anybody that's making
a profit off of you. That whole narrative.
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Can actually lead to significantproblems.
It underscores the profound foundational value of
intellectual humility in an information saturated world.
The episode wrapped up by reflecting on the inherent joy
and enrichment derived from engaging in such deep
conversations, learning new things, and, well, the personal
blessing of having the time to ponder these vast topics.
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And a really insightful observation was made that often
the most miserable, anxiety ridden people are either like
staunch atheists or rigidly dogmatic believers at the
extremes. Interesting point.
This highlights the profound value of maintaining an open,
searching mind, guided by our natural instinct to seek a
better world and continuously evolve our understanding of
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ourselves and the universe. It suggests that true peace
might come from the journey, notnecessarily the absolute
certainty. So what does this all mean for
you? Listening in?
We've journeyed through incredibly diverse landscapes
today, from the molecular level of our food to the vastness of
the cosmos, from the grime of city streets to the depths of
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spiritual transformation. Yeah, It means that true
understanding, whether of the natural world, human history or
spiritual truth, often requires an ongoing embrace of questions,
a willingness to confront uncomfortable realities, and
that persistent pursuit of voluntary adversity we talked
about. Right.
All of these seemingly disparatepaths ultimately cultivate a
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deeper, more resilient and trulywell informed self.
It's all connected in a way. We hope This deep has given you
plenty to ponder. Keep asking those questions and
thank you for joining us.