May 20, 2025 • 15 mins
This recap episode features Christopher Dunn, author of "The Giza Power Plant," detailing his theories on ancient Egyptian construction techniques and the true purpose of the Great Pyramid. Drawing on his background as a manufacturing engineer, Dunn examines artefacts like core drill holes and precise vases, arguing that their precision and consistency indicate advanced machining capabilities far beyond the commonly accepted copper tools and sand. He also posits that the Great Pyramid itself was not a tomb but a sophisticated machine, potentially an "electron harvester" or "power plant," utilizing the Earth's natural vibrations and cosmic microwaves, with the Queen's chamber producing hydrogen and the King's chamber acting as a resonant cavity. Dunn highlights a conflict between engineers who analyse artifacts with modern metrology and traditional archaeologists, suggesting that this hinders a full understanding of ancient Egyptian capabilities.
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(00:00):
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Great to be diving in again.
Today we're really digging into a pretty mind bending Joe Rogan
Experience episode. This one featured Christopher
Dunn. Right, the engineer who looks at
ancient Egypt through a completely different lens.
Exactly. We're going to unpack his
perspective on ancient Egyptian technology, focusing on his
(00:20):
ideas about the Great Pyramid and, you know, those incredibly
precise artifacts he talks about.
Yeah, the stuff that just doesn't seem to fit the standard
timeline or toolkit. And for you, the learner, think
of this as your shortcut to understanding a really complex
but honestly fascinating viewpoint on our ancient past.
And Dunn's background is key here.
He wasn't an archaeologist or historian initially.
(00:42):
He comes from precision manufacturing.
OK, let's unpack that a bit. So he started as an apprentice
right back in Manchester, England.
Learned the trade from the ground up.
Got his journeyman papers which means he was fully qualified in
his craft. Then 1969 he gets recruited by
an aerospace company over here in the US.
Started out turning lathes, vertical, horizontal, boring
(01:03):
mills, basically shaping metal with extreme precision.
And then moved up, became a manufacturing engineer.
And that practical, hands on experience, that's what he
brings to looking at these ancient objects.
He sees potential manufacturing,not just art or ritual items.
Yeah, he's looking for tool marks, tolerances, things an
(01:24):
engineer would look for, and this really kicked off for him
after reading Peter Tompkins book Secrets of the Great
Pyramid back in 77. Tompkins asked this question
that really stuck with Dunn didn't.
He he did. Does the Great Pyramid in sign a
lost science? That was the question.
And that sparked something. You know, it makes you wonder
what assumptions we're making about the past.
Are we maybe underestimating them?
(01:45):
Right. And Dunn then digs into William
Klender's Patri's work. Patri was like a pioneer
Egyptologist, Meticulous. Guy and Patri documented things
that sounded well advanced. Lathes massive core drills like
18 inches wide. Even suggested circular saws.
So imagine Dunn the engineer reading this.
He's immediately thinking, OK, how?
(02:06):
What kind of tech makes sense? Exactly.
It's about the how. So his approach becomes very
methodical. Measure everything, figure out
the material. Look for those tool marks like
reverse engineering a product. Which brings us straight to
maybe one of the biggest points of contention, the core drill
holes. Ah yes, we touched on this with
(02:27):
Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble before.
Dibbles idea was you know, maybecopper tools and sand as an
abrasive. Simple stuff.
But Done pushes back hard based on Petri's own observations,
specifically a spiral groove on a granite core.
Petri measured the pitch of thisgroove just 100th of an inch per
(02:47):
revolution. Think about that.
A screw thread, right? Every full turn, the drill bites
deeper into solid granite by only 11 hundredth of an inch.
Now compare that to modern tech Dunn, Actually, check this.
Modern diamond drills spinning fast.
They penetrate granite at maybe 21 thousandths of an inch per
revolution. Yeah.
So if Petri and Dunn are right. The ancient drill was cutting
(03:08):
about 500 times faster. 500 times that's that's not just a
little bit better, it's a different ball game entirely.
And it wasn't a one off Patriot found similar grooves on
multiple cores from different places.
It looked like a standard result.
Plus, more recently, 2018, a couple of aerospace engineers,
Wilson and Geer. They examined 1 of Petrie scores
(03:28):
#7 at the Museum in London. And using their modern know how
they confirmed it, they saw the spiral.
So modern engineers agreeing with Petrie's century old
observations. Now there was a counter
argument, right? Right.
Ogilvy, Harold and Lawton. Yeah, they looked at photos and
said no, it looks horizontal, not spiral.
Which, you know, highlights a problem of using 2D photos for
(03:50):
3D analysis. Things can look different.
Definitely. So Dunn went back himself to the
museum. And did something really simple
but clever. He took a piece of cotton
thread. Just wrapped it around the core.
Following the groove confirmed it.
Continuous spiral. No doubt about it from his
direct observation. So.
That hands on check seems prettydefinitive.
The implications, though? What tech could do that
(04:13):
thousands of years ago? It really forces you to question
the standard model of ancient capabilities.
Were they way more advanced in some areas than we think?
OK, let's shift gears slightly. Another category of artifacts
that Dunn focuses on the vases. And we're not talking simple
clay pots here. These are carved from solid,
incredibly hard stone. Granite, diarite.
(04:36):
Igneous rock. Tough stuff.
And the precision, it's stunning.
Dunn talks about a 3D printed replica made from scans of an
original vase. Near perfect symmetry tolerance
is down to a few thousandths of an inch.
That's well, in machining, that's basically perfect.
And they have these intricate features, like handles carve
right out of the solid stone block.
(04:57):
Which totally blows the Potter'swheel explanation out of the
water, right? How could you possibly do
handles like that with that symmetry on a spinning wheel?
And how did they hollow out the inside so accurately and measure
it? Some have really narrow necks.
Dunn mentions these run out tests on one vase they call the
spinner, testing how true it spins.
And the accuracy was within halfthe thickness of a human hair.
(05:19):
Half a hair's thickness that's it's hard to even visualize that
level of precision achieved backthen.
It's a huge challenge even with modern computer controlled
machines, let alone supposed ancient hand tools.
It does seem to highlight a potential disconnect maybe
between practical engineering analysis and some traditional
(05:40):
archaeological interpretations well.
Yeah, the engineers want to measure precisely analyze the
how, while sometimes archaeologymight resist looking at purely
as a manufacturing problem. And the usual explanations,
copper tools, sand, they just don't seem adequate for this
level of work in Hearthstone. The evidence for those tools
doing this kind of job isn't really there.
(06:00):
Which neatly leads us into Dunn's really big idea, the
purpose of the Great Pyramid itself.
Right. His first book, the Giza Power
Plant back in 98, and he's refined it since then in Giza,
the Tesla connection. His current idea is it was an
electron harvester. Yeah, and it's crucial to
understand what he means by power plant.
He's not talking coal furnaces and smokestacks.
(06:21):
No, nothing dirty. It's about tapping into natural
energy, clean energy, harvestingelectrons already present.
He uses the analogy of a generator, right?
A generator doesn't make electrons, it just organizes
them, harvests them using magnetism in motion.
So the pyramid, he thinks, did something similar, but using the
Earth's energy on a massive scale.
(06:42):
And his argument is that the entire design, its size,
materials, internal chambers, shafts, everything points to
this function. O the King's Chamber, The
Queen's chamber. Maybe not burial spots, but
functional parts of the machine.Functional terminology, yeah.
And that original smooth limestone casing, now mostly
gone. He thinks that was vital to
(07:03):
maybe reflecting or focusing energy.
Like a giant reflector dish. Possibly, yeah, Integral to the
whole system's efficiency. OK, what about those shafts, the
narrow ones leading out from thechambers, usually explained as
ventilation or * alignments. Den sees them very differently.
Crucial components take the Queens chamber shafts.
They didn't originally go all the way out.
They stopped inside the pyramid.Blocked by limestone until
(07:25):
Wayman Dixon drilled through later.
And the northern Queens chamber shaft.
Its dimensions are weirdly closeto a modern microwave waveguide.
A waveguide like for guiding microwave energy.
Exactly, and the dimensions seemresonant with the wavelength of
hydrogen. OK, so what's the theory?
Collecting ambient microwaves from space, like leftover Big
(07:49):
Bang radiation or hydrogen signals.
That's part of his hypothesis and the southern Queens chamber
shaft. Maybe that was for introducing
chemicals, perhaps to generate hydrogen inside the chamber.
Well, OK, he even uses a civil engineering analogy about the
limestone acting like a filter maintaining pressure for fluids
in the shafts. Right, suggesting A controlled
internal environment. And we have to mention Gantt
(08:11):
Brinks robot Loopwat too, finding that that blocking stone
with the metal fittings at the end of the Queen's chamber
shaft. Nobody knows what those fittings
are made of or for. Definitely adds to the mystery
and suggests something more thanventilation.
Now the King's Chamber shafts dogo all the way to the outside.
Right and done connects the whole system to the subterranean
chamber way down below the pyramid.
(08:33):
He thinks that could have been like a a coupled oscillator
vibrating with the Earth. Yeah, kind of like Tesla's ideas
about Earth resonance. Exactly.
He pulls in research by Doctor Frank Freund on earthquake
lights, too, The idea that stressed granite, like in the
pyramid can release electrical charges, potentially electrons.
So you've got maybe electromagnetic energy,
(08:54):
microwaves, and mechanical energy vibrations.
Involved combination, yes. So the northern King's chamber
shaft brings in the microwave signal may be amplified.
Hydrogen comes up from the Queen's chamber.
And the King's Chamber itself acts like.
What a resonator. Like a laser or a mazer cavity
amplifying the energy. That's the analogy he uses,
amplifying the energy. And the southern King's chamber
(09:16):
shaft is the output, the power nozzle.
He mentions its shape, right? Kind of bulbous.
Yeah, he photographed it, and itlooks remarkably like a
microwave horn antenna. Even the bends in the northern
King's chamber shaft. Yeah, he thinks they're
deliberate, like a waveguide to shape the beam.
Potentially yes, to make the microwave energy coherent as it
enters the chamber. And the positioning where that
(09:38):
northern shaft enters the King'schamber, it's at a specific
point, 1/4 wave location. Right, which in physics is a key
spot for maximizing energy in a resonant cavity.
It suggests incredibly precise design it.
Really does start to sound less like a tomb and more like a
machine. The level of interconnected
detail is compelling. Digesting purpose.
(09:59):
And this all leads to the reallywild idea wireless power.
He connects it straight to TeslaWardencliffe Tower, the dream of
wireless electricity. Dunn suggests the pyramid, maybe
with a gold capstone, could havedone just that, transmitting
energy wirelessly. Combining Freund's rock physics,
Tesla's ideas. Wow.
OK, so obviously these ideas areunconventional.
(10:22):
How has mainstream archaeology reacted?
Well, as you'd expect, there's been significant pushback, lots
of debate. Dunn talks about feeling like
engineers are expected to work under archaeologists rather than
as peers applying their own science.
Even though the tomb theory itself lacks A definitive proof
like, you know, a pharaoh inside.
Right. The tomb theory is still
dominant, but Dunn made a smart move.
(10:44):
He started talking directly to Egyptian engineers.
Asking them to look at the evidence with their own
expertise. Exactly.
And he says he's seen a shift, especially among younger
engineers in Egypt, who are moreopen to questioning the old
explanations. He mentioned Ahmed Adley, an
Egyptian engineer who's validated some of Dunn's points
and even presented the power plant idea to physicists at
(11:06):
Cairo University. That's a big deal.
It shows the conversation is happening within Egypt too.
And there's even a STEM class atthe Grand Egyptian Museum now,
with Adley exploring pyramid energy concepts.
Yeah, that's fascinating. Kids actually doing experiments
related to this could be a game changer down the line.
Another point Dunn brings up is iron.
We know Tudong Komen had that meteoric iron dagger around 1330
(11:29):
BC. But Dunn highlights an iron
plate found inside the Great Pyramid, potentially from when
it was built much earlier, Which?
Predates the accepted start of the Iron Age in Egypt around
1200 BC. So it suggests maybe they were
using iron, perhaps meteoric iron, earlier than we thought,
even if they weren't smelting iton a large scale yet.
OK. Shifting again acoustics.
(11:52):
This is really interesting. Sound engineers found the
pyramid shafts resonate at a specific frequency.
F Shock. Yeah, when wind blows across
them. And apparently some ancient
Egyptian texts link F shock to the Earth's resonant frequency.
And that same note F Shab pops up in sacred flutes of some
Native American shamans and evensupposedly in human DNA.
(12:13):
That's quite a coincidence, if it.
Is 1 Tom Danley, the audio expert, measured vibrations
inside the King's chamber, foundit resonates even with
everything off. And Dustin Carr, who made a nano
guitar, did a computer simulation, A finite element
analysis. Right.
And it showed the whole pyramid resonates at about 16 Hertz
infrasound below human hearing so.
Again, it points to the pyramid as a dynamic structure
(12:34):
interacting with vibrations and sound, not just a static
monument. All these threads, the
precision, the potential energy generation, the acoustics, they
weave together into a picture that's hard to square with just
ramps and copper chisels. Dunn even thinks the other
pyramids might have been part ofthe system.
Right. Different designs for different
functions within one big energy grid.
That's a speculation, and he draws parallels to things like
(12:57):
the Marfa lights or Sedona Vortex's potential natural
energy spots today. Maybe the pyramid tapped into
something similar? Going back to that debate about
ancient industry, Dunn mentionedmonosize Saudi's research on
lead levels in ice cores. Yeah, challenging the idea that
significant lead pollution only started relatively recently.
Safsada found lead spikes way back like 149,000 years ago.
(13:21):
Which just adds another layer ofcomplexity to dating ancient
activity and its potential scale.
It shows the science is always evolving.
Definitely, And regarding the attempts to debunk the core
drill spiral, the Scientists Against Myths paper Dunn had a
strong counter. He pointed out they were mostly
using 2D photos to analyze a 3D spiral groove.
Which is fundamentally flawed geometrically.
(13:43):
You can't accurately judge 3D shape from a single 2D view.
You need direct measurement or proper 3D scanning.
It feels like maybe there was a bias there, an attempt to
disprove rather than objectivelyanalyze.
It's hard to say for sure, but the methodology seems
questionable compared to Dunn's direct examination and.
Briefly on Gabaglipe predating agriculture, Dunn suggested
(14:06):
maybe they didn't need plant agriculture right away.
Yeah, if they had advanced animal husbandry or just super
abundant wild resources, maybe plant farming wasn't the
immediate priority even while building monumental structures.
It broadens how we think about early civilization.
When you take it all in, the implications are just huge.
If ancient people, Egyptians or someone else really did have
(14:30):
clean energy tech. It changes everything about our
view of history, progress and what's possible.
And the idea that such knowledgecould be lost, maybe in events
like the Library of Alexandria burning, it's kind of tragic.
And absolutely, how could such advanced understanding seemingly
disappear or become a hidden from subsequent history?
That's the lingering mystery. This whole dive into Dunn's
(14:52):
work, it really leaves you with more questions than answers, but
in a good way. It makes you think.
It definitely stretches the boundaries of what we think we
know about the past. It's truly mind blowing stuff.
The precision, the scale, the potential technology.
It suggests a past far more complex than the standard story.
So the final thought for you listening is this.
(15:12):
If technology like this did exist thousands of years ago,
what other knowledge might be lost?
What else don't we know about our own history?
And what could rediscovering it mean for our future?
Definitely check out Dunn's books, The Giza Power Plant,
Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, Giza, the Tesla
Connection, and the Rogen episode itself for the full
context. Thanks for joining us on this
(15:33):
deep dive.
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Great to be diving in again.
Today we're really digging into a pretty mind bending Joe Rogan
Experience episode. This one featured Christopher
Dunn. Right, the engineer who looks at
ancient Egypt through a completely different lens.
Exactly. We're going to unpack his
perspective on ancient Egyptian technology, focusing on his
(00:20):
ideas about the Great Pyramid and, you know, those incredibly
precise artifacts he talks about.
Yeah, the stuff that just doesn't seem to fit the standard
timeline or toolkit. And for you, the learner, think
of this as your shortcut to understanding a really complex
but honestly fascinating viewpoint on our ancient past.
And Dunn's background is key here.
He wasn't an archaeologist or historian initially.
(00:42):
He comes from precision manufacturing.
OK, let's unpack that a bit. So he started as an apprentice
right back in Manchester, England.
Learned the trade from the ground up.
Got his journeyman papers which means he was fully qualified in
his craft. Then 1969 he gets recruited by
an aerospace company over here in the US.
Started out turning lathes, vertical, horizontal, boring
(01:03):
mills, basically shaping metal with extreme precision.
And then moved up, became a manufacturing engineer.
And that practical, hands on experience, that's what he
brings to looking at these ancient objects.
He sees potential manufacturing,not just art or ritual items.
Yeah, he's looking for tool marks, tolerances, things an
(01:24):
engineer would look for, and this really kicked off for him
after reading Peter Tompkins book Secrets of the Great
Pyramid back in 77. Tompkins asked this question
that really stuck with Dunn didn't.
He he did. Does the Great Pyramid in sign a
lost science? That was the question.
And that sparked something. You know, it makes you wonder
what assumptions we're making about the past.
Are we maybe underestimating them?
(01:45):
Right. And Dunn then digs into William
Klender's Patri's work. Patri was like a pioneer
Egyptologist, Meticulous. Guy and Patri documented things
that sounded well advanced. Lathes massive core drills like
18 inches wide. Even suggested circular saws.
So imagine Dunn the engineer reading this.
He's immediately thinking, OK, how?
(02:06):
What kind of tech makes sense? Exactly.
It's about the how. So his approach becomes very
methodical. Measure everything, figure out
the material. Look for those tool marks like
reverse engineering a product. Which brings us straight to
maybe one of the biggest points of contention, the core drill
holes. Ah yes, we touched on this with
(02:27):
Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble before.
Dibbles idea was you know, maybecopper tools and sand as an
abrasive. Simple stuff.
But Done pushes back hard based on Petri's own observations,
specifically a spiral groove on a granite core.
Petri measured the pitch of thisgroove just 100th of an inch per
(02:47):
revolution. Think about that.
A screw thread, right? Every full turn, the drill bites
deeper into solid granite by only 11 hundredth of an inch.
Now compare that to modern tech Dunn, Actually, check this.
Modern diamond drills spinning fast.
They penetrate granite at maybe 21 thousandths of an inch per
revolution. Yeah.
So if Petri and Dunn are right. The ancient drill was cutting
(03:08):
about 500 times faster. 500 times that's that's not just a
little bit better, it's a different ball game entirely.
And it wasn't a one off Patriot found similar grooves on
multiple cores from different places.
It looked like a standard result.
Plus, more recently, 2018, a couple of aerospace engineers,
Wilson and Geer. They examined 1 of Petrie scores
(03:28):
#7 at the Museum in London. And using their modern know how
they confirmed it, they saw the spiral.
So modern engineers agreeing with Petrie's century old
observations. Now there was a counter
argument, right? Right.
Ogilvy, Harold and Lawton. Yeah, they looked at photos and
said no, it looks horizontal, not spiral.
Which, you know, highlights a problem of using 2D photos for
(03:50):
3D analysis. Things can look different.
Definitely. So Dunn went back himself to the
museum. And did something really simple
but clever. He took a piece of cotton
thread. Just wrapped it around the core.
Following the groove confirmed it.
Continuous spiral. No doubt about it from his
direct observation. So.
That hands on check seems prettydefinitive.
The implications, though? What tech could do that
(04:13):
thousands of years ago? It really forces you to question
the standard model of ancient capabilities.
Were they way more advanced in some areas than we think?
OK, let's shift gears slightly. Another category of artifacts
that Dunn focuses on the vases. And we're not talking simple
clay pots here. These are carved from solid,
incredibly hard stone. Granite, diarite.
(04:36):
Igneous rock. Tough stuff.
And the precision, it's stunning.
Dunn talks about a 3D printed replica made from scans of an
original vase. Near perfect symmetry tolerance
is down to a few thousandths of an inch.
That's well, in machining, that's basically perfect.
And they have these intricate features, like handles carve
right out of the solid stone block.
(04:57):
Which totally blows the Potter'swheel explanation out of the
water, right? How could you possibly do
handles like that with that symmetry on a spinning wheel?
And how did they hollow out the inside so accurately and measure
it? Some have really narrow necks.
Dunn mentions these run out tests on one vase they call the
spinner, testing how true it spins.
And the accuracy was within halfthe thickness of a human hair.
(05:19):
Half a hair's thickness that's it's hard to even visualize that
level of precision achieved backthen.
It's a huge challenge even with modern computer controlled
machines, let alone supposed ancient hand tools.
It does seem to highlight a potential disconnect maybe
between practical engineering analysis and some traditional
(05:40):
archaeological interpretations well.
Yeah, the engineers want to measure precisely analyze the
how, while sometimes archaeologymight resist looking at purely
as a manufacturing problem. And the usual explanations,
copper tools, sand, they just don't seem adequate for this
level of work in Hearthstone. The evidence for those tools
doing this kind of job isn't really there.
(06:00):
Which neatly leads us into Dunn's really big idea, the
purpose of the Great Pyramid itself.
Right. His first book, the Giza Power
Plant back in 98, and he's refined it since then in Giza,
the Tesla connection. His current idea is it was an
electron harvester. Yeah, and it's crucial to
understand what he means by power plant.
He's not talking coal furnaces and smokestacks.
(06:21):
No, nothing dirty. It's about tapping into natural
energy, clean energy, harvestingelectrons already present.
He uses the analogy of a generator, right?
A generator doesn't make electrons, it just organizes
them, harvests them using magnetism in motion.
So the pyramid, he thinks, did something similar, but using the
Earth's energy on a massive scale.
(06:42):
And his argument is that the entire design, its size,
materials, internal chambers, shafts, everything points to
this function. O the King's Chamber, The
Queen's chamber. Maybe not burial spots, but
functional parts of the machine.Functional terminology, yeah.
And that original smooth limestone casing, now mostly
gone. He thinks that was vital to
(07:03):
maybe reflecting or focusing energy.
Like a giant reflector dish. Possibly, yeah, Integral to the
whole system's efficiency. OK, what about those shafts, the
narrow ones leading out from thechambers, usually explained as
ventilation or * alignments. Den sees them very differently.
Crucial components take the Queens chamber shafts.
They didn't originally go all the way out.
They stopped inside the pyramid.Blocked by limestone until
(07:25):
Wayman Dixon drilled through later.
And the northern Queens chamber shaft.
Its dimensions are weirdly closeto a modern microwave waveguide.
A waveguide like for guiding microwave energy.
Exactly, and the dimensions seemresonant with the wavelength of
hydrogen. OK, so what's the theory?
Collecting ambient microwaves from space, like leftover Big
(07:49):
Bang radiation or hydrogen signals.
That's part of his hypothesis and the southern Queens chamber
shaft. Maybe that was for introducing
chemicals, perhaps to generate hydrogen inside the chamber.
Well, OK, he even uses a civil engineering analogy about the
limestone acting like a filter maintaining pressure for fluids
in the shafts. Right, suggesting A controlled
internal environment. And we have to mention Gantt
(08:11):
Brinks robot Loopwat too, finding that that blocking stone
with the metal fittings at the end of the Queen's chamber
shaft. Nobody knows what those fittings
are made of or for. Definitely adds to the mystery
and suggests something more thanventilation.
Now the King's Chamber shafts dogo all the way to the outside.
Right and done connects the whole system to the subterranean
chamber way down below the pyramid.
(08:33):
He thinks that could have been like a a coupled oscillator
vibrating with the Earth. Yeah, kind of like Tesla's ideas
about Earth resonance. Exactly.
He pulls in research by Doctor Frank Freund on earthquake
lights, too, The idea that stressed granite, like in the
pyramid can release electrical charges, potentially electrons.
So you've got maybe electromagnetic energy,
(08:54):
microwaves, and mechanical energy vibrations.
Involved combination, yes. So the northern King's chamber
shaft brings in the microwave signal may be amplified.
Hydrogen comes up from the Queen's chamber.
And the King's Chamber itself acts like.
What a resonator. Like a laser or a mazer cavity
amplifying the energy. That's the analogy he uses,
amplifying the energy. And the southern King's chamber
(09:16):
shaft is the output, the power nozzle.
He mentions its shape, right? Kind of bulbous.
Yeah, he photographed it, and itlooks remarkably like a
microwave horn antenna. Even the bends in the northern
King's chamber shaft. Yeah, he thinks they're
deliberate, like a waveguide to shape the beam.
Potentially yes, to make the microwave energy coherent as it
enters the chamber. And the positioning where that
(09:38):
northern shaft enters the King'schamber, it's at a specific
point, 1/4 wave location. Right, which in physics is a key
spot for maximizing energy in a resonant cavity.
It suggests incredibly precise design it.
Really does start to sound less like a tomb and more like a
machine. The level of interconnected
detail is compelling. Digesting purpose.
(09:59):
And this all leads to the reallywild idea wireless power.
He connects it straight to TeslaWardencliffe Tower, the dream of
wireless electricity. Dunn suggests the pyramid, maybe
with a gold capstone, could havedone just that, transmitting
energy wirelessly. Combining Freund's rock physics,
Tesla's ideas. Wow.
OK, so obviously these ideas areunconventional.
(10:22):
How has mainstream archaeology reacted?
Well, as you'd expect, there's been significant pushback, lots
of debate. Dunn talks about feeling like
engineers are expected to work under archaeologists rather than
as peers applying their own science.
Even though the tomb theory itself lacks A definitive proof
like, you know, a pharaoh inside.
Right. The tomb theory is still
dominant, but Dunn made a smart move.
(10:44):
He started talking directly to Egyptian engineers.
Asking them to look at the evidence with their own
expertise. Exactly.
And he says he's seen a shift, especially among younger
engineers in Egypt, who are moreopen to questioning the old
explanations. He mentioned Ahmed Adley, an
Egyptian engineer who's validated some of Dunn's points
and even presented the power plant idea to physicists at
(11:06):
Cairo University. That's a big deal.
It shows the conversation is happening within Egypt too.
And there's even a STEM class atthe Grand Egyptian Museum now,
with Adley exploring pyramid energy concepts.
Yeah, that's fascinating. Kids actually doing experiments
related to this could be a game changer down the line.
Another point Dunn brings up is iron.
We know Tudong Komen had that meteoric iron dagger around 1330
(11:29):
BC. But Dunn highlights an iron
plate found inside the Great Pyramid, potentially from when
it was built much earlier, Which?
Predates the accepted start of the Iron Age in Egypt around
1200 BC. So it suggests maybe they were
using iron, perhaps meteoric iron, earlier than we thought,
even if they weren't smelting iton a large scale yet.
OK. Shifting again acoustics.
(11:52):
This is really interesting. Sound engineers found the
pyramid shafts resonate at a specific frequency.
F Shock. Yeah, when wind blows across
them. And apparently some ancient
Egyptian texts link F shock to the Earth's resonant frequency.
And that same note F Shab pops up in sacred flutes of some
Native American shamans and evensupposedly in human DNA.
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That's quite a coincidence, if it.
Is 1 Tom Danley, the audio expert, measured vibrations
inside the King's chamber, foundit resonates even with
everything off. And Dustin Carr, who made a nano
guitar, did a computer simulation, A finite element
analysis. Right.
And it showed the whole pyramid resonates at about 16 Hertz
infrasound below human hearing so.
Again, it points to the pyramid as a dynamic structure
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interacting with vibrations and sound, not just a static
monument. All these threads, the
precision, the potential energy generation, the acoustics, they
weave together into a picture that's hard to square with just
ramps and copper chisels. Dunn even thinks the other
pyramids might have been part ofthe system.
Right. Different designs for different
functions within one big energy grid.
That's a speculation, and he draws parallels to things like
(12:57):
the Marfa lights or Sedona Vortex's potential natural
energy spots today. Maybe the pyramid tapped into
something similar? Going back to that debate about
ancient industry, Dunn mentionedmonosize Saudi's research on
lead levels in ice cores. Yeah, challenging the idea that
significant lead pollution only started relatively recently.
Safsada found lead spikes way back like 149,000 years ago.
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Which just adds another layer ofcomplexity to dating ancient
activity and its potential scale.
It shows the science is always evolving.
Definitely, And regarding the attempts to debunk the core
drill spiral, the Scientists Against Myths paper Dunn had a
strong counter. He pointed out they were mostly
using 2D photos to analyze a 3D spiral groove.
Which is fundamentally flawed geometrically.
(13:43):
You can't accurately judge 3D shape from a single 2D view.
You need direct measurement or proper 3D scanning.
It feels like maybe there was a bias there, an attempt to
disprove rather than objectivelyanalyze.
It's hard to say for sure, but the methodology seems
questionable compared to Dunn's direct examination and.
Briefly on Gabaglipe predating agriculture, Dunn suggested
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maybe they didn't need plant agriculture right away.
Yeah, if they had advanced animal husbandry or just super
abundant wild resources, maybe plant farming wasn't the
immediate priority even while building monumental structures.
It broadens how we think about early civilization.
When you take it all in, the implications are just huge.
If ancient people, Egyptians or someone else really did have
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clean energy tech. It changes everything about our
view of history, progress and what's possible.
And the idea that such knowledgecould be lost, maybe in events
like the Library of Alexandria burning, it's kind of tragic.
And absolutely, how could such advanced understanding seemingly
disappear or become a hidden from subsequent history?
That's the lingering mystery. This whole dive into Dunn's
(14:52):
work, it really leaves you with more questions than answers, but
in a good way. It makes you think.
It definitely stretches the boundaries of what we think we
know about the past. It's truly mind blowing stuff.
The precision, the scale, the potential technology.
It suggests a past far more complex than the standard story.
So the final thought for you listening is this.
(15:12):
If technology like this did exist thousands of years ago,
what other knowledge might be lost?
What else don't we know about our own history?
And what could rediscovering it mean for our future?
Definitely check out Dunn's books, The Giza Power Plant,
Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, Giza, the Tesla
Connection, and the Rogen episode itself for the full
context. Thanks for joining us on this
(15:33):
deep dive.
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