May 18, 2025 • 13 mins
This recap episode features veteran investigative journalist George Knapp and filmmaker Jeremy Corbell on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. They primarily discuss Knapp's groundbreaking reporting on Bob Lazar and alleged alien technology reverse-engineering at Area 51, highlighting the initial scepticism and later corroboration of some details. The conversation expands to cover the US government's evolving stance on UFOs, the difficulties inherent in UFO research due to misinformation, and various theories surrounding unexplained aerial phenomena, including potential extraterrestrial origins and advanced terrestrial technology. Knapp also shares his experiences investigating the Skinwalker Ranch and obtaining previously unreleased government documents related to UAPs.
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(00:00):
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we're diving deep into a
really fascinating conversation from the Joe Rogan Experience.
Yeah, episode Hashtag 1510. It features George Knapp, the
investigative journalist, and Jeremy Korbel, the filmmaker.
Both have spent years, I mean years, looking into the UFO
phenomenon. Absolutely.
And our mission here is to really unpack what they talked
(00:22):
about UFOs, Bob Lazar, how this whole understanding of UA.
PS Unidentified aerial phenomenais shifting.
We want to pull out the most compelling bits for.
You exactly. We'll look at where the whole
Bob Lazar story kicked off. You know the government's
involvement, past and present. And honestly some pretty mind
bending stuff that comes out of it all.
It really is. OK, so let's get into it.
(00:43):
George Knapp started by talking about how he first got tangled
up in all this. It was through John Lear wasn't
it, back in 87. That's right, and Knapp was
clear he wasn't some UFO believer back then.
Not really on his radar. So what grabbed him?
Well it was John Lear himself, you know, from the Learjet
family, big aviation name and Lear had actually broken the
story about the self fighter so he had credibility.
(01:05):
OK so Lear shows up at Naps TV station with this like stack of
documents. Claims they're about UF OS.
And I bet the news director wasn't exactly thrilled.
Not at all, basically dismissed it straight away, but Nap Nap
was curious. He actually looked at the stuff.
He had that public affairs show right?
Low profile. Yeah, exactly.
(01:25):
So he figured, OK, let's have leer on, see what.
Happened and then boom. Pretty much, yeah.
The public reaction was huge, totally unexpected.
Leer was talking about, you know, secret treaties with
aliens, recovered tech. Wild stuff.
Really wild. It struck A chord.
Nap had him back a few times. He even did one interview with
(01:45):
Bill Cooper. Oh, now I mentioned regretting
that one, right? Cooper's theories were way out
there. Way out there, yeah, Nap
definitely expressed some regret.
But anyway, it was Lear who first hinted about knowing
someone working out at Area 51, Which?
Turned out to be Bob Lazar. Bingo.
A couple of months Pass Nap has an opening on the main new show,
(02:06):
calls Lear and Lazar. Well, he was apparently feeling
the pressure needed to talk. But not show his face initially,
right? On condition his face was
hidden. That was the first time Lazar
publicly detailed working at this place he called S4, seeing
9 flying saucers. 9. Yeah, and saying he was scared
for his life. Wow, The Newsroom must have gone
(02:28):
nuts. Oh yeah, Switchboard lit up.
So Nap and his news director they met with Lazar, tried to
figure out, OK, is this guy legit?
What are the risks here? Then sensed it was big though.
Definitely felt it could be hugeand potentially dangerous.
And that's when Nap really dove in, right?
He didn't just take Lazar's wordfor it.
No way. He described it as this intense
like 8 month cram course on ufology, reading everything,
(02:52):
going to the MUFON symposium. MUFON, the big UFO investigation
grew. Right.
You wanted to understand the landscape.
And Lazar even apparently took Knapp and his team inside a Los
Alamos lab at one point. People forget that detail.
That's pretty significant. And then came the TV series.
The nine part series on Lazar that just blew up massive public
interest. Phones ringing off the hook.
(03:14):
This was even spreading on earlyInternet stuff like Perinet.
So that was the hook for nap. That's what he said.
That's what really got him committed to the story.
OK, but let's talk about Lazar'scredibility.
That's been a huge point of contention.
The degrees, MIT, Caltech, the records just aren't there.
Right, that's the big sticking point for many people.
(03:34):
Lazar's explanation, as told to Nap, was that his work at Los
Alamos was super classified. Maybe even, you know, illegal
weapons stuff. So a formal degree wasn't the
point, it was the specific knowledge.
That seems to be the claim that in that world, the piece of
paper wasn't as important as what you could actually do.
And nap. Despite the degree issue, he
(03:55):
seems convinced Lazar is genuinely brilliant.
He really does. He told that story about the
start of the pandemic. Lazar just whipping up a UV
Screener from parts in his garage nap sees him as yeah,
incredibly smart and practical. It's also interesting that Lazar
himself pushes back on some things, like he's skeptical
about stuff he didn't see directly, like seeing an alien.
(04:15):
Exactly. Nap pointed that out.
Lazar downplays that glimpse through a window.
He even admitted to being hypnotized given some weird
green liquid, suggesting maybe he was being manipulated
somehow. But the core stuff, the science,
the tech at S4, that hasn't changed in 30 years.
That's the thing. Over 3 decades, through all the
(04:36):
attacks and debunking attempts, his description of the
propulsion system, element 115, the saucers, it stayed
remarkably consistent. Which is, you have to admit,
pretty compelling in itself. Whether true or not, the
consistency is notable. It is.
It's a key data point for sure. So why did he come forward?
What are the theories? Money.
Attention. Those are definitely out there
(04:57):
making money, seeking fame or the other big one, government
disinformation. But Knapp argued that if it was
disinfo, it kind of backfired, didn't it?
Spectacularly. I mean, Lazar is the reason Area
51 is a household name globally,The ET highway, the baseball
team. If the goal was to mislead, it
created a massive, probably unintended spotlight.
(05:18):
And Lazar's background is colorful.
The jet car, The hydrogen Corvette explosives.
Right. Playing with jet engines,
hydrogen power, explosives, pirate flags, illegal fireworks.
His detractors definitely use all that to paint him as
unreliable. A bit of a cook maybe?
But Knapp later found some corroboration about S4.
Yeah, that's important. Despite official denials for
(05:39):
years, Nap's own digging eventually confirmed there was a
facility at Papoose Lake Site 4S4, just like Lazar said.
And the element 115 cloud chamber test.
Nat mentioned that too, though the details aren't public.
So yeah, these core claims, they've proven surprisingly
resilient against decades of attempts to just brush them
aside. OK, so Lazar blows up public
awareness, but what about the official side?
(06:01):
The government? Rogan himself talked about how
things seem to be shifting now. Yeah, Rogan mentioned his own
skeptical friends kind of changetheir tune after hearing Lazar
on his show, and especially after Commander David Fraver.
Yes, the Tic Tac incident. Fraver's account is just
incredible, the way that thing moved.
Seemingly impossible physics. Yeah, and then you get the New
(06:21):
York Times articles dropping thePentagon videos, the government
actually admitting. OK, yeah, we study these things.
We call them Uaps. Which feels like a massive
shift. It really does, and it raises
that question Knapp brought up. If the goal was always secrecy,
why talk about it openly now? It's weird.
Knapp himself became sort of theUFO reporter.
He must have seen it all in terms of credibility issues.
(06:42):
Oh. Absolutely.
He talked about the long, long history of government lies and
stonewalling on this topic way before Freedom of Information
Act requests were even a thing. He said internal documents
showed they knew more than they let on.
Yeah, internal docs from back then apparently acknowledged the
reality of the phenomenon much more openly than the public
statements ever did. And there are these documented
(07:03):
cases, UFOs over nuclear sites. Right, like the Northern Tier
incidents in 1975. Multiple nuke missile bases
reporting UFOs hovering, sometimes even seeming to
interfere with the missiles. That's serious stuff.
And not just the US, Russia too.NAP mentioned Russian studies
like a K GB one from the late 70s early 80s.
(07:24):
It apparently documented cases where Russian fighter jets were
even shot down by UFOs. Wow, even Trump piped up about
Roswell in Area 51. He did, Nap suggested.
Trump probably got some kind of briefing and you see guys like
Tucker Carlson consistently platforming guests talking about
UF OS. It's definitely more mainstream
now. So, pulling back, what are the
(07:45):
big theories, the implications floating around from all this?
Well the biggest 1 is just the sheer possibility of technology
wildly beyond what we understand.
Maybe reverse engineered like Lazar claimed.
Which would validate Lazar at least partially.
It could and it forces you to think about non human
intelligence. What if they evolved totally
differently? What would their tech look like?
The Fermi paradox, the Drake equation, Those old thought
(08:08):
experiments are suddenly relevant again even in
government docs. Apparently so, which is
fascinating. Knapp also mentioned things like
the zoo hypothesis, maybe you were being observed, or Jacques
Valet's work looking at metamaterials.
Materials with a weird isotopic ratios not from Earth.
Exactly. And Whitley Straber's
experiences, it opens up possibilities beyond just
(08:31):
classic ETS from other planets. Like time travelers,
interdimensional beings. Those ideas were floated, too.
The point is, the Lazar story, whether you believe every detail
or not, undeniably cracked open the public conversation.
It encouraged others, even military folks, to share their
stories. But.
It's a messy field, lots of noise, misinformation.
(08:51):
For sure, Knapp and Korbel were very clear about the bullshit
artists as they put it. It makes finding the real signal
incredibly hard. Frustratingly hard, no
definitive answers yet. Nope.
Still, you're a huge mystery. And you can't entirely rule out
advanced human tech from adversaries either.
They'll some of the reported behaviors are hard to square
with that. OK, the conversation also went
into specific locations beyond just Area 51.
(09:14):
Skinwalker Ranch came up quite abit.
How does that connect back to Lazar?
Well, Robert Bigelow, the billionaire aerospace guy, he
was initially really interested in Bob Lazar's story.
That interest was apparently a big factor in him setting up
NIDS. NIDS National Institute for
Discovery Science, Bigelow's private paranormal research
group. Right.
(09:34):
And Senator Harry Reid got involved, interested in what
NIDS was doing, apparently tipped off by George Knapp.
And Skinwalker Ranch itself, it's legendary for high
strangeness, isn't it? Oh yeah, the book about it
details all sorts of phenomena, not just UFOs, but poltergeist
activity, weird creatures, electromagnetic anomalies, just
(09:56):
bizarre stuff. And the government got involved
there too, The DIA. Yeah, the Defense Intelligence
Agency, they funded a program called AWSA, Advanced Aerospace
Weapon System Applications Program.
Its focus was explicitly studying Skinwalker Ranch and
related phenomena. But the funding got cut for a
strange reason. Reportedly, yeah.
The alleged reason was fear of demonic influence associated
(10:17):
with the phenomena at the ranch,which is quite something.
Definitely not your usual budgetcut reason.
I do. Not exactly.
But importantly, Knapp and others maintain that government
UFO studies didn't stop there. They just continued under
different programs, different names like ATIPA.
And the sightings continue. Those recent military reports.
Beach balls with cubes. Yeah, Nap mentioned those
(10:39):
reports off the Virginia coast. Military personnel seeing these
weird objects. He also stressed that the
government commissioned dozens of scientific papers.
Defense Intelligence reference documents, they're called.
On relevant topics. Meta materials.
Advanced propulsion. Exactly.
Things like meta materials, warpDr. theory, hypersonic vehicles,
(10:59):
stuff directly related to UAP characteristics, and in many of
these papers still haven't been released publicly.
Knapp claims to have some of them.
That hints at a serious ongoing scientific interest behind the
scenes. It certainly seems that way.
Analysis of potential meta materials, maybe from crash
craft, was also mentioned. The discussion also briefly
touched on abductions. There was that personal
(11:20):
connection. Right Angela Hill, the UFC
fighter. Her grandfather was Barney Hill
from the famous Betty and BarneyHill abduction case back in the
60s. That's quite a link.
Abductions are obviously highly controversial.
Hugely lots of skepticism, but also, as Nap noted, you find
these weird similarities and accounts from people who have no
connection to each other. It's perplexing.
(11:42):
Why wouldn't it be more widely known if it were common?
That's the question, isn't it? The whole phenomenon seems
elusive, like it shows glimpses but never enough for solid
proof. That seems true for Skinwalker 2
experiences way beyond just seeing craft.
So trying to wrap this up, wheredoes that leave us?
Staring into the unknown. Pretty much.
(12:03):
I mean the sheer scale of the universe.
Statistically, it feels improbable.
We're alone. That's a common thread.
And our current physics just can't explain some of these UAP
movement. Not easily.
Now if any of this, the non human intelligence aspect is
confirmed, well that changes everything.
Our whole understanding of reality shifts.
So keeping an open mind but alsoa critical one seems key.
(12:25):
Absolutely essential. You have to question everything,
especially with all the disinformation, but you also
have to be willing to consider possibilities outside our normal
boxes. So as you can clearly tell, this
conversation with George Knapp and Jeremy Korbel and JRE, it
really was a deep dive. So much intrigue, credible
accounts mixed with just persistent mysteries.
(12:48):
Yeah, from Lazar's initial bombshells to how the
government's talking about it now, plus the weirdness at
places like Skinwalker Ranch, the questions raised are huge.
They really push at the edges ofwhat we think we know.
What art of this sticks with youthe most?
After hearing this recap, is there anything you're now
curious to dig into more? Because honestly, we've just
scratched the surface here. There are decades of research,
(13:10):
so many first hand stories packed into that original
conversation. We'd really encourage you, if
you're interested, to check out the full episode.
Check out naps and Corbell's work form your own ideas.
Definitely. The search for answers isn't
stopping. New info, new angles that keep
popping up. Maybe the biggest takeaways.
Just stay critical, stay curious, be willing to think
about things that seem impossible right now.
Well said, thanks for joining uson this deep dive.
(13:32):
We hope it gave you some surprising things to chew on.
What mystery will you unpack next?
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we're diving deep into a
really fascinating conversation from the Joe Rogan Experience.
Yeah, episode Hashtag 1510. It features George Knapp, the
investigative journalist, and Jeremy Korbel, the filmmaker.
Both have spent years, I mean years, looking into the UFO
phenomenon. Absolutely.
And our mission here is to really unpack what they talked
(00:22):
about UFOs, Bob Lazar, how this whole understanding of UA.
PS Unidentified aerial phenomenais shifting.
We want to pull out the most compelling bits for.
You exactly. We'll look at where the whole
Bob Lazar story kicked off. You know the government's
involvement, past and present. And honestly some pretty mind
bending stuff that comes out of it all.
It really is. OK, so let's get into it.
(00:43):
George Knapp started by talking about how he first got tangled
up in all this. It was through John Lear wasn't
it, back in 87. That's right, and Knapp was
clear he wasn't some UFO believer back then.
Not really on his radar. So what grabbed him?
Well it was John Lear himself, you know, from the Learjet
family, big aviation name and Lear had actually broken the
story about the self fighter so he had credibility.
(01:05):
OK so Lear shows up at Naps TV station with this like stack of
documents. Claims they're about UF OS.
And I bet the news director wasn't exactly thrilled.
Not at all, basically dismissed it straight away, but Nap Nap
was curious. He actually looked at the stuff.
He had that public affairs show right?
Low profile. Yeah, exactly.
(01:25):
So he figured, OK, let's have leer on, see what.
Happened and then boom. Pretty much, yeah.
The public reaction was huge, totally unexpected.
Leer was talking about, you know, secret treaties with
aliens, recovered tech. Wild stuff.
Really wild. It struck A chord.
Nap had him back a few times. He even did one interview with
(01:45):
Bill Cooper. Oh, now I mentioned regretting
that one, right? Cooper's theories were way out
there. Way out there, yeah, Nap
definitely expressed some regret.
But anyway, it was Lear who first hinted about knowing
someone working out at Area 51, Which?
Turned out to be Bob Lazar. Bingo.
A couple of months Pass Nap has an opening on the main new show,
(02:06):
calls Lear and Lazar. Well, he was apparently feeling
the pressure needed to talk. But not show his face initially,
right? On condition his face was
hidden. That was the first time Lazar
publicly detailed working at this place he called S4, seeing
9 flying saucers. 9. Yeah, and saying he was scared
for his life. Wow, The Newsroom must have gone
(02:28):
nuts. Oh yeah, Switchboard lit up.
So Nap and his news director they met with Lazar, tried to
figure out, OK, is this guy legit?
What are the risks here? Then sensed it was big though.
Definitely felt it could be hugeand potentially dangerous.
And that's when Nap really dove in, right?
He didn't just take Lazar's wordfor it.
No way. He described it as this intense
like 8 month cram course on ufology, reading everything,
(02:52):
going to the MUFON symposium. MUFON, the big UFO investigation
grew. Right.
You wanted to understand the landscape.
And Lazar even apparently took Knapp and his team inside a Los
Alamos lab at one point. People forget that detail.
That's pretty significant. And then came the TV series.
The nine part series on Lazar that just blew up massive public
interest. Phones ringing off the hook.
(03:14):
This was even spreading on earlyInternet stuff like Perinet.
So that was the hook for nap. That's what he said.
That's what really got him committed to the story.
OK, but let's talk about Lazar'scredibility.
That's been a huge point of contention.
The degrees, MIT, Caltech, the records just aren't there.
Right, that's the big sticking point for many people.
(03:34):
Lazar's explanation, as told to Nap, was that his work at Los
Alamos was super classified. Maybe even, you know, illegal
weapons stuff. So a formal degree wasn't the
point, it was the specific knowledge.
That seems to be the claim that in that world, the piece of
paper wasn't as important as what you could actually do.
And nap. Despite the degree issue, he
(03:55):
seems convinced Lazar is genuinely brilliant.
He really does. He told that story about the
start of the pandemic. Lazar just whipping up a UV
Screener from parts in his garage nap sees him as yeah,
incredibly smart and practical. It's also interesting that Lazar
himself pushes back on some things, like he's skeptical
about stuff he didn't see directly, like seeing an alien.
(04:15):
Exactly. Nap pointed that out.
Lazar downplays that glimpse through a window.
He even admitted to being hypnotized given some weird
green liquid, suggesting maybe he was being manipulated
somehow. But the core stuff, the science,
the tech at S4, that hasn't changed in 30 years.
That's the thing. Over 3 decades, through all the
(04:36):
attacks and debunking attempts, his description of the
propulsion system, element 115, the saucers, it stayed
remarkably consistent. Which is, you have to admit,
pretty compelling in itself. Whether true or not, the
consistency is notable. It is.
It's a key data point for sure. So why did he come forward?
What are the theories? Money.
Attention. Those are definitely out there
(04:57):
making money, seeking fame or the other big one, government
disinformation. But Knapp argued that if it was
disinfo, it kind of backfired, didn't it?
Spectacularly. I mean, Lazar is the reason Area
51 is a household name globally,The ET highway, the baseball
team. If the goal was to mislead, it
created a massive, probably unintended spotlight.
(05:18):
And Lazar's background is colorful.
The jet car, The hydrogen Corvette explosives.
Right. Playing with jet engines,
hydrogen power, explosives, pirate flags, illegal fireworks.
His detractors definitely use all that to paint him as
unreliable. A bit of a cook maybe?
But Knapp later found some corroboration about S4.
Yeah, that's important. Despite official denials for
(05:39):
years, Nap's own digging eventually confirmed there was a
facility at Papoose Lake Site 4S4, just like Lazar said.
And the element 115 cloud chamber test.
Nat mentioned that too, though the details aren't public.
So yeah, these core claims, they've proven surprisingly
resilient against decades of attempts to just brush them
aside. OK, so Lazar blows up public
awareness, but what about the official side?
(06:01):
The government? Rogan himself talked about how
things seem to be shifting now. Yeah, Rogan mentioned his own
skeptical friends kind of changetheir tune after hearing Lazar
on his show, and especially after Commander David Fraver.
Yes, the Tic Tac incident. Fraver's account is just
incredible, the way that thing moved.
Seemingly impossible physics. Yeah, and then you get the New
(06:21):
York Times articles dropping thePentagon videos, the government
actually admitting. OK, yeah, we study these things.
We call them Uaps. Which feels like a massive
shift. It really does, and it raises
that question Knapp brought up. If the goal was always secrecy,
why talk about it openly now? It's weird.
Knapp himself became sort of theUFO reporter.
He must have seen it all in terms of credibility issues.
(06:42):
Oh. Absolutely.
He talked about the long, long history of government lies and
stonewalling on this topic way before Freedom of Information
Act requests were even a thing. He said internal documents
showed they knew more than they let on.
Yeah, internal docs from back then apparently acknowledged the
reality of the phenomenon much more openly than the public
statements ever did. And there are these documented
(07:03):
cases, UFOs over nuclear sites. Right, like the Northern Tier
incidents in 1975. Multiple nuke missile bases
reporting UFOs hovering, sometimes even seeming to
interfere with the missiles. That's serious stuff.
And not just the US, Russia too.NAP mentioned Russian studies
like a K GB one from the late 70s early 80s.
(07:24):
It apparently documented cases where Russian fighter jets were
even shot down by UFOs. Wow, even Trump piped up about
Roswell in Area 51. He did, Nap suggested.
Trump probably got some kind of briefing and you see guys like
Tucker Carlson consistently platforming guests talking about
UF OS. It's definitely more mainstream
now. So, pulling back, what are the
(07:45):
big theories, the implications floating around from all this?
Well the biggest 1 is just the sheer possibility of technology
wildly beyond what we understand.
Maybe reverse engineered like Lazar claimed.
Which would validate Lazar at least partially.
It could and it forces you to think about non human
intelligence. What if they evolved totally
differently? What would their tech look like?
The Fermi paradox, the Drake equation, Those old thought
(08:08):
experiments are suddenly relevant again even in
government docs. Apparently so, which is
fascinating. Knapp also mentioned things like
the zoo hypothesis, maybe you were being observed, or Jacques
Valet's work looking at metamaterials.
Materials with a weird isotopic ratios not from Earth.
Exactly. And Whitley Straber's
experiences, it opens up possibilities beyond just
(08:31):
classic ETS from other planets. Like time travelers,
interdimensional beings. Those ideas were floated, too.
The point is, the Lazar story, whether you believe every detail
or not, undeniably cracked open the public conversation.
It encouraged others, even military folks, to share their
stories. But.
It's a messy field, lots of noise, misinformation.
(08:51):
For sure, Knapp and Korbel were very clear about the bullshit
artists as they put it. It makes finding the real signal
incredibly hard. Frustratingly hard, no
definitive answers yet. Nope.
Still, you're a huge mystery. And you can't entirely rule out
advanced human tech from adversaries either.
They'll some of the reported behaviors are hard to square
with that. OK, the conversation also went
into specific locations beyond just Area 51.
(09:14):
Skinwalker Ranch came up quite abit.
How does that connect back to Lazar?
Well, Robert Bigelow, the billionaire aerospace guy, he
was initially really interested in Bob Lazar's story.
That interest was apparently a big factor in him setting up
NIDS. NIDS National Institute for
Discovery Science, Bigelow's private paranormal research
group. Right.
(09:34):
And Senator Harry Reid got involved, interested in what
NIDS was doing, apparently tipped off by George Knapp.
And Skinwalker Ranch itself, it's legendary for high
strangeness, isn't it? Oh yeah, the book about it
details all sorts of phenomena, not just UFOs, but poltergeist
activity, weird creatures, electromagnetic anomalies, just
(09:56):
bizarre stuff. And the government got involved
there too, The DIA. Yeah, the Defense Intelligence
Agency, they funded a program called AWSA, Advanced Aerospace
Weapon System Applications Program.
Its focus was explicitly studying Skinwalker Ranch and
related phenomena. But the funding got cut for a
strange reason. Reportedly, yeah.
The alleged reason was fear of demonic influence associated
(10:17):
with the phenomena at the ranch,which is quite something.
Definitely not your usual budgetcut reason.
I do. Not exactly.
But importantly, Knapp and others maintain that government
UFO studies didn't stop there. They just continued under
different programs, different names like ATIPA.
And the sightings continue. Those recent military reports.
Beach balls with cubes. Yeah, Nap mentioned those
(10:39):
reports off the Virginia coast. Military personnel seeing these
weird objects. He also stressed that the
government commissioned dozens of scientific papers.
Defense Intelligence reference documents, they're called.
On relevant topics. Meta materials.
Advanced propulsion. Exactly.
Things like meta materials, warpDr. theory, hypersonic vehicles,
(10:59):
stuff directly related to UAP characteristics, and in many of
these papers still haven't been released publicly.
Knapp claims to have some of them.
That hints at a serious ongoing scientific interest behind the
scenes. It certainly seems that way.
Analysis of potential meta materials, maybe from crash
craft, was also mentioned. The discussion also briefly
touched on abductions. There was that personal
(11:20):
connection. Right Angela Hill, the UFC
fighter. Her grandfather was Barney Hill
from the famous Betty and BarneyHill abduction case back in the
60s. That's quite a link.
Abductions are obviously highly controversial.
Hugely lots of skepticism, but also, as Nap noted, you find
these weird similarities and accounts from people who have no
connection to each other. It's perplexing.
(11:42):
Why wouldn't it be more widely known if it were common?
That's the question, isn't it? The whole phenomenon seems
elusive, like it shows glimpses but never enough for solid
proof. That seems true for Skinwalker 2
experiences way beyond just seeing craft.
So trying to wrap this up, wheredoes that leave us?
Staring into the unknown. Pretty much.
(12:03):
I mean the sheer scale of the universe.
Statistically, it feels improbable.
We're alone. That's a common thread.
And our current physics just can't explain some of these UAP
movement. Not easily.
Now if any of this, the non human intelligence aspect is
confirmed, well that changes everything.
Our whole understanding of reality shifts.
So keeping an open mind but alsoa critical one seems key.
(12:25):
Absolutely essential. You have to question everything,
especially with all the disinformation, but you also
have to be willing to consider possibilities outside our normal
boxes. So as you can clearly tell, this
conversation with George Knapp and Jeremy Korbel and JRE, it
really was a deep dive. So much intrigue, credible
accounts mixed with just persistent mysteries.
(12:48):
Yeah, from Lazar's initial bombshells to how the
government's talking about it now, plus the weirdness at
places like Skinwalker Ranch, the questions raised are huge.
They really push at the edges ofwhat we think we know.
What art of this sticks with youthe most?
After hearing this recap, is there anything you're now
curious to dig into more? Because honestly, we've just
scratched the surface here. There are decades of research,
(13:10):
so many first hand stories packed into that original
conversation. We'd really encourage you, if
you're interested, to check out the full episode.
Check out naps and Corbell's work form your own ideas.
Definitely. The search for answers isn't
stopping. New info, new angles that keep
popping up. Maybe the biggest takeaways.
Just stay critical, stay curious, be willing to think
about things that seem impossible right now.
Well said, thanks for joining uson this deep dive.
(13:32):
We hope it gave you some surprising things to chew on.
What mystery will you unpack next?
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