May 21, 2025 • 14 mins
The recap episode features James Fox, a documentarian who has produced films on the subject, who details various alleged UAP sightings and encounters, including those at military bases like Vandenberg Air Force Base and Nellis Test Range, and a notable case in Stephenville, Texas, often describing the objects as exhibiting advanced technology and defying conventional explanation. The conversation touches upon the challenges of disclosure and the potential implications for national security and humanity if non-human intelligence is involved, while also discussing the role of figures pushing for openness like David Grusch, Senator Harry Reid, and various congressional representatives. The discussion also touches upon the idea that these UAP might be secret advanced military technology, potentially our own or from other nations, and considers the complexities of explaining such phenomena to the public.
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(00:00):
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we're really getting into
it, diving deep into a pretty wild conversation from the Joe
Rogan Experience. Yeah, this was episode Hashtag
2246 with James Fox, the filmmaker.
It was a long one, covering, well, everything.
UAP, recent sightings, older cases, government stuff.
(00:20):
Or, you know, the lack of government stuff, depending on
how you look at it. The whole mystery around
unidentified aerial phenomena. Exactly.
So our mission here is basicallyto boil it all down for you,
pull out the key takeaways, the really compelling bits from that
whole exchange. Right give you the essentials
without you needing to sit through hours though.
It was a fascinating listen. We want to give you a concise
(00:42):
but really thorough understanding.
OK, so let's start with something kind of funny that led
into some serious stuff. Joe's run in with Ryan Graves in
a hotel elevator. Oh yeah, the dodgy elevator
story. Apparently everyone was saying
don't use this elevator but Joe.Well.
He had to try it, of course, andGraves was in there.
And that seemingly random meeting kicked off a whole
discussion about what Graves hasactually seen.
(01:04):
He talked about these really advanced drones or whatever they
are back in New Jersey. Not.
Your DGI Mavics right? These were like SUV size.
Exactly. SUV size, totally silent, flying
for hours, he mentioned. Up to five hours sometimes.
Five hours, silent and big as a car.
And he also said they could evade FLIR right, the infrared
(01:24):
detection. Yeah, just disappear from it.
That's pretty advanced capability it.
Really makes you think, are these hours some secret military
tech we don't know about Or it said something else.
Graves even floated the idea they could be coming from the
ocean. 50 of them reportedly seen off the coast.
That's what was mentioned reported by Coast Guard police.
It does sound like something outof a movie.
(01:44):
It really does. The scale of it, it's just yeah.
And this ties into what James Fox was talking about this
recent almost like surge in UAP reports.
He got that text right from the retired Air Force Colonel.
Yeah, kind of tongue in cheek asking if Fox had, you know,
engineered this UAP invasion to promote his movie.
An invasion? Yeah, maybe a strong word.
(02:05):
But look at where these things were being seen.
California, Europe, UK bases NewYork, New Jersey, San Diego.
Ohio too, right? Patterson apparently had a
shutdown because of 1. Florida with those photos Grab
shared. It's widespread.
And it's not just random people seeing lights.
These are often near sensitive areas, sometimes tracked on
(02:25):
radar, seen by pilots. Fox admitted at first he
thought, OK, probably just drones.
Conventional stuff. Makes sense?
That's the default explanation now.
But then the details started coming in.
Reports of silent operation flights lasting hours.
Weird shapes like crescents thatchanged his mind.
And Christopher Mellon, former deputy assistant Secretary of
Defense for intelligence, he called it.
(02:47):
What a real shit show. Yeah, pretty blunt, he
acknowledged. Some could be explained away,
sure, but a lot of them, including maybe 50 off the coast
seen by officials, genuinely mysterious.
Then you had Senator Schumer at that press conference talking
about drones but acknowledging they didn't know what they were.
Right. And Fox and Mellon both kind of
hinted that maybe using the worddrone is a way to, I don't know,
(03:10):
manage the narrative, keep it from sounding too much like UAP,
which has heavier implications. Yeah, unidentified anomalous
phenomenon sounds a lot strangerthan unidentified drone, even
though they might be the same thing in this case.
It's interesting how language isused there.
But this isn't just a recent thing, which is crucial.
Look at Jeffrey Nellie's testimony about Vandenberg Air
(03:31):
Force Base. Right back in 2003 to 2005 he
was USAF military police. And he described some absolutely
incredible incidents. The big one was the Vandenberg
Red Square. OK, tell us about that one.
Sounds wild. Boeing contractor saw it.
A huge, silent Red Square, maybethe size of a football field,
just hovering over a missile defense.
(03:51):
Installation A. Football ball field hovering
silently. And Nellie claims there are
official Air Force records of this, a blotter entry, names,
contacts, stuff he says he's given to Congress, a ARO, the
FBI. If that documentation exists.
And that wasn't all. Nellie investigated other things
there, too, like an object landing on the flight line,
(04:11):
brightly lit, silent, and then just accelerating instantly into
space. Gone.
Instant acceleration like that defies physics as we know it.
He also mentioned a triangular craft bigger than AC130
transport plane hovering just 50feet over.
Another police officer Silent again. 50 feet.
That's incredibly close for something that large and
(04:31):
unknown. And maybe the weirdest 1 A house
sized orb described as blue white kind of liquid looking
hovering over a house on the base A.
Liquid Orb. OK, now we're really pushing the
boundaries. Nella described the whole
experience as like inspiring, exciting, but also terrifying,
and he stressed the need for thegovernment to just be straight
about this stuff. He mentioned other military
(04:53):
witnesses too, ready to testify.And didn't these Vandenberg
incidents happen around the sametime as the Nimitz Tic Tac
encounter? Roughly yeah. 2003, 2005 for
Vandenberg, 2004 for the Tic tac.
Makes you wonder if there was a cluster of activity then.
Definitely raises questions about patterns, which leads us
to the whole secrecy aspect. Joe mentioned talking to a
general like 20 years ago. Yeah, and the general basically
(05:14):
said, imagine the government admitting, hey, there are craft
flying in our airspace. We don't know whose they are and
we can't stop them. The potential for panic, loss of
confidence. You can see why they'd hesitate.
It's a political nightmare. Leaders need to project control,
right? Admitting you're not in control
of your own skies is a huge problem.
It's a real catch 22 secretly breeds distrust, but maybe they
(05:39):
feel disclosure is worse. Which ties right into James
Fox's documentary, the program, and the whole David Grush
situation. Absolutely, Grush, the former
Intel officer testifying underoath to Congress.
That was huge. Claiming there's a secret
decades long crash retrieval program recovering non human
craft. His testimony Underoath really
(05:59):
shifted the conversation, didn'tit?
It brought a new level of seriousness, forced more
congressional attention. And Fox said his own research,
like 30 years of it, kind of lines up with what Grush is
claiming. Yeah, he mentioned his film
Moment of Contact about the Virginia incident in Brazil.
Right Finding parallels between his field investigations and
(06:19):
Grush's insider claims. It suggests Grush isn't just
making things up out of the blue.
There's potential corroboration from independent research into
these alleged crash events. But what about the counter
argument, The mindfuck theory that it's all just a cover for
our own secret tech? Fox pushed back on that.
He argued. How do you explain decades of
consistent reports from all overthe world long before we
(06:43):
supposedly had this kind of tech?
Think Project Blue. Book the Air Force's own
investigation back in the day, documenting weird stuff, even
close encounters. Exactly stuff that inspired the
movie close Encounters and even further back, the Foo Fighters
seen by pilots in World War 2. It suggests this phenomenon,
whatever it is, has been around a while.
OK, let's talk about another specific really weird case.
(07:04):
Now let's test range 1994. Yeah, so apparently sensory data
and camera footage picked up a UFO there.
Fox has this footage in the program.
And then just three days later, this encounter, right?
Jason Sands, former military guy, he's with a convoy and they
run into, well, a being. Describe the being.
(07:25):
No ears, large eyes, That's the description.
OK. And the communication.
This is where it gets really strange.
Sands claims it was telepathic. The being was looking for a
specific metal tenellum, he called it.
Tenellum never heard of it and the being just communicated this
telepathically. That's the claim.
(07:45):
After the communication, the being went back to a craft
similar to the one filmed and took off.
Wow, that's quite a story. And Fox.
Adds that Sam's is willing to take a polygraph, testify
Underoath apparently as his credentials were even checked
out by Senate committees, Armed Services and Intelligence, so
they took it seriously enough tovet him.
That definitely adds weight, even if the story itself is hard
to process. Shifting gears a bit, let's talk
(08:07):
photos. The Scotland one.
Yes, the Calvine photo, sometimes called that taken
around 1990, shows a diamond shaped object, apparently with a
Harrier jet in the background. And Nick Pope, who worked the
Mod UFO desk, confirmed it's real.
He did, and he also confirmed the Ministry of Defense
basically buried it trying to make sure it never got out.
(08:28):
So how did we end up seeing it? Persistence from journalist
David Clarke. He tracked down the original RAF
press officer, Craig Lindsay, who had kept a personal copy.
If Lindsay hadn't done that, we might never have seen it.
What does the photo actually show besides the objects in the
jet? Well, the analysis suggests the
Harrier wasn't just flying past.It looks like it was circling
(08:50):
the object. Apparently there were other
photos showing the jet in different positions but those.
Vanished. Vanish.
A recurring theme, it seems, hiding evidence.
Which brings us back to the present day and the struggle for
transparency. Fox talked about meeting the new
head of ARO, John Kozlowski. Aro being the Pentagon's UAP
office, what was that meeting like?
(09:10):
Fox said Kozlowski was pretty candid, actually.
After a background check, Kozlowski apparently told him,
quote James, I can't part my hair without approval from the
DoD and you can quote me on that.
Wow, so even the head of the office feels constrained by the
Department of Defense? Pretty much spells out the
limits on transparency, doesn't it?
Contrast sharply with the previous head, Sean Kirkpatrick,
(09:31):
who many felt was just dismissive.
So this all leads back to the politics of disclosure.
It's complicated. Hugely.
Think about the potential fallout, impact on religion,
financial systems, the admissionby governments that they well
haven't been fully in control, or maybe haven't been entirely
truthful. How do other countries handle
(09:52):
this? You mentioned Russia maybe being
more open in the past. Yeah, there have been periods
where Russian officials or reports seemed more open, though
who knows the full story now. China's approach is less clear
publicly, but the focus right now seems to be on the US with
these hearings and legislative pushes.
There is momentum here, isn't there?
Bipartisan efforts in Congress trying to force more information
(10:13):
out. Definitely, but then you have
the military and national security argument for secrecy.
We can't let China or Russia gettheir hands on this potentially
game changing technology if we've recovered some.
You can see that logic especially when you hear the
reported capabilities. Instant acceleration, hypersonic
speeds without Sonic booms. Right, if that tech is real, you
(10:36):
wouldn't want your adversaries getting it first.
Of course, amid all this, you still have to filter out the
noise, misidentifications, hoaxes.
Yeah, that's always part of the challenge.
Absolutely. Critical thinking is key, and
not everyone buys into it like Elon Musk.
Yeah, Rogan mentioned Musk seemspretty skeptical about the whole
thing, Dismisses stuff like the Fravor tic Tac encounter.
Which is interesting given his focus on advanced tech, but
(10:58):
maybe his focus is purely terrestrial tech.
Speaking of current events though, those recent drone
incursions the Pentagon acknowledged.
Yeah, Sabrina Singh, the spokeswoman, talking about
unauthorized drones over Air Force bases Westminster near
Trump's golf course, Joint Base Andrews.
And the timing was weird, right around Christmas for the last
three years. That's the report kind of
(11:21):
strange pattern. And again, you see parallels,
echoes of Vandenberg, even Phoenix Lights with descriptions
of massive silent objects. The Stephenville, TX sighting in
2008 also had that massive object seen by cops and
everything, followed by attemptsto clamp down on the info.
It's a pattern that keeps repeating.
Let's talk about Phoenix Lights,specifically March 1997.
(11:42):
That was huge. Massive, Literally thousands of
witnesses across Arizona saw this giant V shaped or boomerang
craft silent. A Governor Fife Symington saw it
himself. And the official explanation was
flares. Initially, yeah, flares from a
military exercise miles away. But Symington, after leaving
(12:02):
office, said no way. That wasn't flares.
I saw craft. He felt it was definitely
something else, something otherworldly.
And there were reports of jet scrambled pilots shaken.
Up and those stories of men in black types showing up,
intimidating witnesses, supposedly confiscating footage
from a news station. It all adds to the mystery and
the feeling of a cover up. You hear first hand accounts
like Stacey Rhodes and her daughter describing this
(12:25):
enormous gun metal black thing right over them, totally silent.
It's chilling. It really is these credible,
often multiple witness accounts of something truly extraordinary
happening. So despite all the history of
secrecy and dismissal, there is this ongoing push now.
Three open congressional hearings in three years?
(12:45):
That's unprecedented, really. And you hear things like Senator
Harry Reid's supposed advice to a president, Don't worry about
your legacy, just deal with this.
Shows the weight some people in power gave it and it's
bipartisan now. Luna, Mace, Garcia, AOC on one
side, Rubio rounds Schumer on the other.
People across the spectrum saying we need answers.
Which means it's important for people listening, for citizens
(13:08):
to stay engaged and support those efforts, right?
Keep the pressure on. Absolutely.
Public interest fuels political will on issues like this.
Where does Joe Rogan land in allthis?
He seems to go back and forth. Yeah, he embodies that tension.
I think he's fascinated, open minded, talks about the
compelling evidence, especially the tech aspects like the Tic
Tacs flight characteristics. But he also pumps the brakes,
(13:31):
considers terrestrial explanations, acknowledges the
high weirdness factor. He brings up historical
accounts, too. Ancient myths, Yeah.
Could they be related? It's that constant weighing of
evidence possibilities the technology reported, especially
in cases like 2004, is just so hard to explain conventionally.
So wrapping this up, the sheer amount of credible reports,
(13:52):
recent and historical, it just leaves you with huge questions.
Massive questions, are we looking at super advanced secret
human tech or are we dealing with non human intelligence?
Either way, the implications arejust staggering.
It demands serious attention, serious investigation.
This push for transparency feelsreally important.
(14:12):
Maybe a turning point. It could be so, you know, for
everyone listening. Keep digging.
Look into these cases yourself. Read the reports, listen to the
witnesses where you can. Form your own informed opinions
because it's conversation. It's definitely not over.
Not by a long shot.
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we're really getting into
it, diving deep into a pretty wild conversation from the Joe
Rogan Experience. Yeah, this was episode Hashtag
2246 with James Fox, the filmmaker.
It was a long one, covering, well, everything.
UAP, recent sightings, older cases, government stuff.
(00:20):
Or, you know, the lack of government stuff, depending on
how you look at it. The whole mystery around
unidentified aerial phenomena. Exactly.
So our mission here is basicallyto boil it all down for you,
pull out the key takeaways, the really compelling bits from that
whole exchange. Right give you the essentials
without you needing to sit through hours though.
It was a fascinating listen. We want to give you a concise
(00:42):
but really thorough understanding.
OK, so let's start with something kind of funny that led
into some serious stuff. Joe's run in with Ryan Graves in
a hotel elevator. Oh yeah, the dodgy elevator
story. Apparently everyone was saying
don't use this elevator but Joe.Well.
He had to try it, of course, andGraves was in there.
And that seemingly random meeting kicked off a whole
discussion about what Graves hasactually seen.
(01:04):
He talked about these really advanced drones or whatever they
are back in New Jersey. Not.
Your DGI Mavics right? These were like SUV size.
Exactly. SUV size, totally silent, flying
for hours, he mentioned. Up to five hours sometimes.
Five hours, silent and big as a car.
And he also said they could evade FLIR right, the infrared
(01:24):
detection. Yeah, just disappear from it.
That's pretty advanced capability it.
Really makes you think, are these hours some secret military
tech we don't know about Or it said something else.
Graves even floated the idea they could be coming from the
ocean. 50 of them reportedly seen off the coast.
That's what was mentioned reported by Coast Guard police.
It does sound like something outof a movie.
(01:44):
It really does. The scale of it, it's just yeah.
And this ties into what James Fox was talking about this
recent almost like surge in UAP reports.
He got that text right from the retired Air Force Colonel.
Yeah, kind of tongue in cheek asking if Fox had, you know,
engineered this UAP invasion to promote his movie.
An invasion? Yeah, maybe a strong word.
(02:05):
But look at where these things were being seen.
California, Europe, UK bases NewYork, New Jersey, San Diego.
Ohio too, right? Patterson apparently had a
shutdown because of 1. Florida with those photos Grab
shared. It's widespread.
And it's not just random people seeing lights.
These are often near sensitive areas, sometimes tracked on
(02:25):
radar, seen by pilots. Fox admitted at first he
thought, OK, probably just drones.
Conventional stuff. Makes sense?
That's the default explanation now.
But then the details started coming in.
Reports of silent operation flights lasting hours.
Weird shapes like crescents thatchanged his mind.
And Christopher Mellon, former deputy assistant Secretary of
Defense for intelligence, he called it.
(02:47):
What a real shit show. Yeah, pretty blunt, he
acknowledged. Some could be explained away,
sure, but a lot of them, including maybe 50 off the coast
seen by officials, genuinely mysterious.
Then you had Senator Schumer at that press conference talking
about drones but acknowledging they didn't know what they were.
Right. And Fox and Mellon both kind of
hinted that maybe using the worddrone is a way to, I don't know,
(03:10):
manage the narrative, keep it from sounding too much like UAP,
which has heavier implications. Yeah, unidentified anomalous
phenomenon sounds a lot strangerthan unidentified drone, even
though they might be the same thing in this case.
It's interesting how language isused there.
But this isn't just a recent thing, which is crucial.
Look at Jeffrey Nellie's testimony about Vandenberg Air
(03:31):
Force Base. Right back in 2003 to 2005 he
was USAF military police. And he described some absolutely
incredible incidents. The big one was the Vandenberg
Red Square. OK, tell us about that one.
Sounds wild. Boeing contractor saw it.
A huge, silent Red Square, maybethe size of a football field,
just hovering over a missile defense.
(03:51):
Installation A. Football ball field hovering
silently. And Nellie claims there are
official Air Force records of this, a blotter entry, names,
contacts, stuff he says he's given to Congress, a ARO, the
FBI. If that documentation exists.
And that wasn't all. Nellie investigated other things
there, too, like an object landing on the flight line,
(04:11):
brightly lit, silent, and then just accelerating instantly into
space. Gone.
Instant acceleration like that defies physics as we know it.
He also mentioned a triangular craft bigger than AC130
transport plane hovering just 50feet over.
Another police officer Silent again. 50 feet.
That's incredibly close for something that large and
(04:31):
unknown. And maybe the weirdest 1 A house
sized orb described as blue white kind of liquid looking
hovering over a house on the base A.
Liquid Orb. OK, now we're really pushing the
boundaries. Nella described the whole
experience as like inspiring, exciting, but also terrifying,
and he stressed the need for thegovernment to just be straight
about this stuff. He mentioned other military
(04:53):
witnesses too, ready to testify.And didn't these Vandenberg
incidents happen around the sametime as the Nimitz Tic Tac
encounter? Roughly yeah. 2003, 2005 for
Vandenberg, 2004 for the Tic tac.
Makes you wonder if there was a cluster of activity then.
Definitely raises questions about patterns, which leads us
to the whole secrecy aspect. Joe mentioned talking to a
general like 20 years ago. Yeah, and the general basically
(05:14):
said, imagine the government admitting, hey, there are craft
flying in our airspace. We don't know whose they are and
we can't stop them. The potential for panic, loss of
confidence. You can see why they'd hesitate.
It's a political nightmare. Leaders need to project control,
right? Admitting you're not in control
of your own skies is a huge problem.
It's a real catch 22 secretly breeds distrust, but maybe they
(05:39):
feel disclosure is worse. Which ties right into James
Fox's documentary, the program, and the whole David Grush
situation. Absolutely, Grush, the former
Intel officer testifying underoath to Congress.
That was huge. Claiming there's a secret
decades long crash retrieval program recovering non human
craft. His testimony Underoath really
(05:59):
shifted the conversation, didn'tit?
It brought a new level of seriousness, forced more
congressional attention. And Fox said his own research,
like 30 years of it, kind of lines up with what Grush is
claiming. Yeah, he mentioned his film
Moment of Contact about the Virginia incident in Brazil.
Right Finding parallels between his field investigations and
(06:19):
Grush's insider claims. It suggests Grush isn't just
making things up out of the blue.
There's potential corroboration from independent research into
these alleged crash events. But what about the counter
argument, The mindfuck theory that it's all just a cover for
our own secret tech? Fox pushed back on that.
He argued. How do you explain decades of
consistent reports from all overthe world long before we
(06:43):
supposedly had this kind of tech?
Think Project Blue. Book the Air Force's own
investigation back in the day, documenting weird stuff, even
close encounters. Exactly stuff that inspired the
movie close Encounters and even further back, the Foo Fighters
seen by pilots in World War 2. It suggests this phenomenon,
whatever it is, has been around a while.
OK, let's talk about another specific really weird case.
(07:04):
Now let's test range 1994. Yeah, so apparently sensory data
and camera footage picked up a UFO there.
Fox has this footage in the program.
And then just three days later, this encounter, right?
Jason Sands, former military guy, he's with a convoy and they
run into, well, a being. Describe the being.
(07:25):
No ears, large eyes, That's the description.
OK. And the communication.
This is where it gets really strange.
Sands claims it was telepathic. The being was looking for a
specific metal tenellum, he called it.
Tenellum never heard of it and the being just communicated this
telepathically. That's the claim.
(07:45):
After the communication, the being went back to a craft
similar to the one filmed and took off.
Wow, that's quite a story. And Fox.
Adds that Sam's is willing to take a polygraph, testify
Underoath apparently as his credentials were even checked
out by Senate committees, Armed Services and Intelligence, so
they took it seriously enough tovet him.
That definitely adds weight, even if the story itself is hard
to process. Shifting gears a bit, let's talk
(08:07):
photos. The Scotland one.
Yes, the Calvine photo, sometimes called that taken
around 1990, shows a diamond shaped object, apparently with a
Harrier jet in the background. And Nick Pope, who worked the
Mod UFO desk, confirmed it's real.
He did, and he also confirmed the Ministry of Defense
basically buried it trying to make sure it never got out.
(08:28):
So how did we end up seeing it? Persistence from journalist
David Clarke. He tracked down the original RAF
press officer, Craig Lindsay, who had kept a personal copy.
If Lindsay hadn't done that, we might never have seen it.
What does the photo actually show besides the objects in the
jet? Well, the analysis suggests the
Harrier wasn't just flying past.It looks like it was circling
(08:50):
the object. Apparently there were other
photos showing the jet in different positions but those.
Vanished. Vanish.
A recurring theme, it seems, hiding evidence.
Which brings us back to the present day and the struggle for
transparency. Fox talked about meeting the new
head of ARO, John Kozlowski. Aro being the Pentagon's UAP
office, what was that meeting like?
(09:10):
Fox said Kozlowski was pretty candid, actually.
After a background check, Kozlowski apparently told him,
quote James, I can't part my hair without approval from the
DoD and you can quote me on that.
Wow, so even the head of the office feels constrained by the
Department of Defense? Pretty much spells out the
limits on transparency, doesn't it?
Contrast sharply with the previous head, Sean Kirkpatrick,
(09:31):
who many felt was just dismissive.
So this all leads back to the politics of disclosure.
It's complicated. Hugely.
Think about the potential fallout, impact on religion,
financial systems, the admissionby governments that they well
haven't been fully in control, or maybe haven't been entirely
truthful. How do other countries handle
(09:52):
this? You mentioned Russia maybe being
more open in the past. Yeah, there have been periods
where Russian officials or reports seemed more open, though
who knows the full story now. China's approach is less clear
publicly, but the focus right now seems to be on the US with
these hearings and legislative pushes.
There is momentum here, isn't there?
Bipartisan efforts in Congress trying to force more information
(10:13):
out. Definitely, but then you have
the military and national security argument for secrecy.
We can't let China or Russia gettheir hands on this potentially
game changing technology if we've recovered some.
You can see that logic especially when you hear the
reported capabilities. Instant acceleration, hypersonic
speeds without Sonic booms. Right, if that tech is real, you
(10:36):
wouldn't want your adversaries getting it first.
Of course, amid all this, you still have to filter out the
noise, misidentifications, hoaxes.
Yeah, that's always part of the challenge.
Absolutely. Critical thinking is key, and
not everyone buys into it like Elon Musk.
Yeah, Rogan mentioned Musk seemspretty skeptical about the whole
thing, Dismisses stuff like the Fravor tic Tac encounter.
Which is interesting given his focus on advanced tech, but
(10:58):
maybe his focus is purely terrestrial tech.
Speaking of current events though, those recent drone
incursions the Pentagon acknowledged.
Yeah, Sabrina Singh, the spokeswoman, talking about
unauthorized drones over Air Force bases Westminster near
Trump's golf course, Joint Base Andrews.
And the timing was weird, right around Christmas for the last
three years. That's the report kind of
(11:21):
strange pattern. And again, you see parallels,
echoes of Vandenberg, even Phoenix Lights with descriptions
of massive silent objects. The Stephenville, TX sighting in
2008 also had that massive object seen by cops and
everything, followed by attemptsto clamp down on the info.
It's a pattern that keeps repeating.
Let's talk about Phoenix Lights,specifically March 1997.
(11:42):
That was huge. Massive, Literally thousands of
witnesses across Arizona saw this giant V shaped or boomerang
craft silent. A Governor Fife Symington saw it
himself. And the official explanation was
flares. Initially, yeah, flares from a
military exercise miles away. But Symington, after leaving
(12:02):
office, said no way. That wasn't flares.
I saw craft. He felt it was definitely
something else, something otherworldly.
And there were reports of jet scrambled pilots shaken.
Up and those stories of men in black types showing up,
intimidating witnesses, supposedly confiscating footage
from a news station. It all adds to the mystery and
the feeling of a cover up. You hear first hand accounts
like Stacey Rhodes and her daughter describing this
(12:25):
enormous gun metal black thing right over them, totally silent.
It's chilling. It really is these credible,
often multiple witness accounts of something truly extraordinary
happening. So despite all the history of
secrecy and dismissal, there is this ongoing push now.
Three open congressional hearings in three years?
(12:45):
That's unprecedented, really. And you hear things like Senator
Harry Reid's supposed advice to a president, Don't worry about
your legacy, just deal with this.
Shows the weight some people in power gave it and it's
bipartisan now. Luna, Mace, Garcia, AOC on one
side, Rubio rounds Schumer on the other.
People across the spectrum saying we need answers.
Which means it's important for people listening, for citizens
(13:08):
to stay engaged and support those efforts, right?
Keep the pressure on. Absolutely.
Public interest fuels political will on issues like this.
Where does Joe Rogan land in allthis?
He seems to go back and forth. Yeah, he embodies that tension.
I think he's fascinated, open minded, talks about the
compelling evidence, especially the tech aspects like the Tic
Tacs flight characteristics. But he also pumps the brakes,
(13:31):
considers terrestrial explanations, acknowledges the
high weirdness factor. He brings up historical
accounts, too. Ancient myths, Yeah.
Could they be related? It's that constant weighing of
evidence possibilities the technology reported, especially
in cases like 2004, is just so hard to explain conventionally.
So wrapping this up, the sheer amount of credible reports,
(13:52):
recent and historical, it just leaves you with huge questions.
Massive questions, are we looking at super advanced secret
human tech or are we dealing with non human intelligence?
Either way, the implications arejust staggering.
It demands serious attention, serious investigation.
This push for transparency feelsreally important.
(14:12):
Maybe a turning point. It could be so, you know, for
everyone listening. Keep digging.
Look into these cases yourself. Read the reports, listen to the
witnesses where you can. Form your own informed opinions
because it's conversation. It's definitely not over.
Not by a long shot.
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