August 3, 2025 • 13 mins
This recap episode centres on creativity and personal discipline, exploring how artists and martial artists cultivate their craft through consistent effort, highlighting that innate talent alone is insufficient. It touches on the role of community in fostering growth, contrasting the collaborative nature of comedy and martial arts with the often isolated world of visual arts. The conversation also critiques societal issues such as the over-prescription of drugs for children and the pervasive corruption in politics, suggesting that these hinder personal and collective well-being. Finally, the text emphasises the importance of process over outcome, whether in artistic creation, physical training, or navigating life's challenges, advocating for self-awareness and practical application of skills.
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(00:00):
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we're diving into some
really fascinating insights froma recent conversation with Mike
Maxwell. You know the acclaimed artist
behind that iconic logo for one of the world's biggest podcasts?
Yeah, that logo instantly recognizable.
Exactly. And our mission here, like
always, is to really pull out the most important Nuggets of
(00:20):
knowledge of those surprising facts from his unique
perspective. We're talking creativity,
discipline, modern life, all that stuff so you can get well
informed fast. Right.
And in this deep dive, we're going to uncover some really
interesting angles on creative work itself, Lus, the discipline
you find in something like martial arts and even the
(00:41):
psychology behind our habits, you know, Yeah.
Complexities of society, fame. It's a lot.
It is. The goal is really to connect
those dots, give you those aha moments if you just don't get
skimming the surface. OK, so let's set the stage.
Mike Maxwell, who is he? We mentioned the JRE logo,
right? He designed that maybe 15 years
ago, around episode 10 way back.Yeah, early days.
And he's done other major work, too, like a painting of Quentin
(01:03):
Tarantino. Really striking stuff.
But his story, it offers some profound lessons, and it starts
well, not just with talent, but with decades of pure hard work.
That's such a key point he made.He really pushes back on this
idea of artistic talent just being, you know, God-given.
He talks about 2526 years of just continuous grinding.
(01:25):
Yeah. Daily work.
Wow. Yeah.
And the insight is OK, maybe innate ability gives you a
different way of seeing things. But the actual technique, the
hand eye coordination, the precise execution that's built
relentless efforts sustained overtime.
It really challenges that romantic notion of the
effortless artists. Totally.
It's about application, consistent application, not just
(01:47):
predisposition. And this deep engagement and
leads him to describe these moments almost mystical, where
the work paints itself or writesitself.
He says after the prep work, thepiece just dictates its own
direction, like he's disconnected.
Right. I've heard authors talk about
that too. Characters taking on a life of
their own. The story just flows.
So the real insight there is maybe mastery leads to this flow
(02:09):
state so deep that the work guides the creator.
Effort becomes almost effortlessunfolding.
Yeah, exactly. And and that leads into another
interesting, maybe slightly controversial point.
They touched on this historical link between some artists and
substance use, like Hunter S Thompson or early Stephen King.
(02:29):
The idea being some creatives tried to like get out of their
head to find a different creative flow.
Important to stress, this was presented as a historical
discussion point in the source right, not endorsement.
Absolutely. Just acknowledging that context
and the huge challenge is someone like Hunter S Thompsons
editor David Mccumber faced managing that kind of volatile
genius. It makes sense though, this
(02:49):
desire to tap into something deeper, and for Maxwell it seems
like the art is that altered state.
He describes painting as hyper focused.
His mind clears, everything shuts off.
Like meditating for hours. And there's that dopamine hit
when it's done, like catching your breath.
He even calls art creative problem solving, like his
subconscious just feeds him solutions.
Which connects perfectly to Steven Pressfield's idea, right?
(03:12):
Summoning the muse, yeah. Just show up consistently, do
the work, and creativity will flow.
It's all about committing to that process.
And that focus on process, not outcome, that's so central for
him. Forget vision boards, he says.
For a real creator, the reward is in the work.
He even feels guilty when he's not working.
(03:32):
That's dedication. It also led to this really
interesting perspective on ADHD in kids.
Oh yeah, that was fascinating. Suggesting maybe it's not a
disorder, but an extraordinary ability for intense focus when
something actually engages. Them, right?
And the concern raised was, are we medicating kids just because
they're bored in maybe uninspired classrooms,
(03:55):
potentially suppressing unique talents?
It's a provocative thought, one last thing.
On the creative side, he mentioned isolation.
In visual arts. Yeah, he he contrasted it with
stand up comedy, which is much more communal.
Comics gather, workshop stuff, support each other.
It's true different creative ecosystems.
It highlights how important community can be for development
in some fields, maybe less so ordifferently in others.
(04:16):
So moving from the mental discipline of art, let's talk
physical discipline, Jiu jitsu. Right, He found running well,
boring his. Word.
I get that. So he gravitated to jiu jitsu,
found it rewarding, challenging,and great for mental well-being
character building. It just engaged him more than
cardio. And his own journey into it is
(04:38):
quite the story. Humility one O 1.
Definitely started at 30 right after seeing those early UFC's.
And he describes this humbling first year as a white belt got
hip tossed by some vanilla Corolla purple belt.
Oh man, vanilla gorilla love that.
Basically a strong, skilled guy.But here's the kicker, that
(04:58):
defeat didn't frustrate him, it fueled him.
That's why he eventually became a black belt.
He found motivation in the challenge itself.
That says a lot about mindset, and it brings up that contrast
in combat sports he talked about.
Exactly. He compared jiu jitsu to Muay
Thai. Getting hit in the face of Muay
Thai? Frustrating.
Worrying about brain health, understand.
But in jiu jitsu, getting caughtinto submission often leads to
(05:20):
like laughter, problem solving, less risk of that serious head
trauma. It changes the whole
psychological feel of training. And the practicality, or maybe
the impracticality of street fights for skilled people.
Right, they just become irrelevant.
He told that great story about De escalating a bar fight.
How did that go again? Just calmly whispered some
jujitsu options to the guy threatening him.
(05:41):
Showed how real skill avoids conflict, doesn't seek it out.
That's powerful. He also mentioned watching UFC
at the. Yeah, they're smaller venue
without the huge crowd noise. You actually hear the impact,
the kicks, the punches. He called it intimate, A
visceral understanding of the force involved.
Like hearing an acoustic set versus a stadium concert.
(06:05):
You feel it differently. That paints a picture and it
ties into the mindset of elite fighters.
For sure you see the whole spectrum pre fight nerves right
up to supreme confidence like Yolito Puri is celebrating the
night before his fight. It shows how physical gift, that
weird power gift he mentioned combined with just insane hard
work gets you to the top. And in jiu jitsu, that humbling
(06:26):
part again. Skill beats, strength,
technique, timing, leverage. A smaller person can dominate a
bigger one. It's knowledge.
Absolutely. OK, shifting gears slightly,
within the physical realm, training aids and health stuff.
Yeah, he mentioned the tip bar. What's that for again?
Strengthening muscles around theknee?
(06:46):
Yeah, for stability. Athletes use it a lot.
Plus specific techniques like lockdown and jiu jitsu.
Gotcha. And then broader health TRT came
up. Potential benefits, yeah, but
more universally cutting out sugar, he said.
The impact was humongous. Lost 15 lbs.
Wow, just from sugar. Apparently, and intermittent
fasting too, he found this weirdpleasure from the pain of
(07:07):
starvation felt more efficient. Pleasure from pain.
Interesting framing. And even connected diet to pets.
Oh right, with the dog food thing.
Yeah, talking about raw food diets like farmer's dog or
Maeve, how to improve his dog's coat, energy, health, drawing
parallels to human nutrition. It's all connected.
It really is. But maybe the most profound part
of his jiu jitsu experience was teaching it.
(07:28):
Oh. Definitely.
He called it a beneficial parasite.
Explain that. Because teaching forces you to
consciously think about movements that were just muscle
memory. It deepens your own
understanding, improves your technique.
You get better by sharing it. That's a great way to put it.
Sharing knowledge without gatekeeping.
Very positive. And it all feeds back into the
(07:50):
value of that Jiu jitsu community.
People from all walks of life finding common ground.
Equality through shared discipline.
It becomes a vehicle for understanding yourself better.
As he put it, shared struggle builds connection.
OK, let's pivot to society, culture, the Internet.
A big shift. Yeah, the conversation went
there, touched on early computers, Apple 94, Windows 95,
(08:13):
early Photoshop. The dawn of digital creativity.
And then the rise of memes. Remember the dancing baby?
Oh. God yes, 19992000 Creepy but
groundbreaking. Totally that uncanny valley
thing, but it showed how fast digital tools changed humor
expression, democratized it in away.
Which leads right into the changing landscape of fame.
(08:34):
Exactly, the Internet, reality TV, then Vine, TikTok.
Suddenly fame wasn't always tiedto traditional talent, right?
And he contrasted LA, where every single person was up to
something, chasing fame with Austin.
Austin felt more relaxed. Yeah, like people were just
people not constantly angling for celebrity.
(08:54):
A different vibe. That connects to the
authenticity point too, using Faraday bags at comedy shows.
Right. Blocking phones?
Yeah, it lets comedians be more honest, raw test material
without it ending up online instantly.
And it forces the audience to actually watch, be present.
Totally lock in a rare phone free experience these days.
Good for everyone involved. Foster's a real connection.
(09:16):
And that community vibe again, especially in Austin's comedy
scene. He described it as really
positive, supportive, valuing the process and results of the
art. Open mics being crucial.
Yeah, a beautiful community for young comics to grow without
that cutthroat backstab you feelyou hear about Elsewhere.
He mentioned Shane Gillis as an example.
Success from hard work. Sincerity, not just chasing
(09:37):
fame. Which brings up that core
tension, intrinsic motivation versus, well, greed.
Big time. The artist making art whether it
sells or not, versus the corporate focus purely on
numbers in a bank account. How do you drive innovation
without falling into that greed trap?
It's a tough question valuing the doing versus just the
financial return. And that theme of greed
(09:58):
unfortunately LED into the discussion around government
corruption. This was based purely on the
source material, of course. Right, important clarification.
What was raised? Allegations of insider trading
using Nancy Pelosi as a key example mentioned in the source.
The point made was that officials, potentially on both
sides, might profit from stock trades using privileged info
(10:19):
about upcoming loss. So access creates advantage.
That was the core insight presented.
Access to non public informationgiving a huge financial edge
raises serious questions about transparency, accountability
regardless of party lines. The source framed it as
systemic. So where does that leave
society? The conversation noted this
perceived shifting of the polls.Yeah, like parties adopting
(10:41):
stances that used to belong to the other side.
Interesting observation. And the rise of independent
journalism, just reporting facts, maybe unveiling how gross
this game is to more people, whatever their politics.
And then they're really out there idea AI.
As a potential fix for corruption, envisioning an AI so
efficient, so intelligent it makes corruption impossible
(11:03):
organizes spending for everyone's benefit.
That's optimistic. Highly.
But it circles back to human nature, right?
Those ape genes, tribalism causing divisions, the need to
elevate above that, avoid greed,foster altruism, suggesting our
problems are deeply rooted. OK, bringing it back to the
personal level that Miyamoto Musashi quote.
(11:23):
Once you understand the way broadly, you see it in all
things. Powerful, and it applies
everywhere, doesn't it? Art.
Jiu jitsu writing. Start seeing the underlying
patterns of mastery. Universal Principles.
And that Broadview helps you embrace the bizarre.
Yeah, find joy and how weird life and nature.
Are the examples were great plants using us to spread seeds,
(11:44):
tasty fruit but cyanide in the seed?
Clever spiders making decoys. Caterpillars mimicking snakes.
Right. It's a reminder to step back,
appreciate the wonder, the strangeness, not just the daily
grind. So what's the take away for you,
the listener? There's no real good working
manual for life, right? Especially for artists,
(12:06):
comedians, anyone on an unconventional path.
The advice boiled down to find what you love and literally just
fucking go for it despite the doubt.
And that's where the gift of difficulty comes back in, doing
hard stuff like jiu jitsu. It teaches you about yourself.
Yeah. Builds resilience.
Turns fear and uncertainty into a tool, a gift for navigating
(12:26):
complexity, recognizing that smart people feel fear because
they see more possibilities. That also highlights the tough
choices, like for pro fighters, knowing when to hang it up.
Yeah, the brain damage risk, financial insecurity.
They can't fight. All that dedication often leaves
few other skills. It's a real dilemma.
Which contrasts so sharply with the power of teaching.
(12:46):
Teaching jiu jitsu doesn't just help students, it tightens up
your own understanding, makes a teacher better.
He called it a missing part of the key to development and
crucial for avoiding that gatekeeping of knowledge.
Exactly. And finally, the conversation
ended on this note of evolution.Yeah.
All art forms, all disciplines, they keep evolving.
New techniques, new creative avenues constantly opening up.
(13:09):
It's never static, always more to learn, more to create.
So here's something to think about.
If our lives really are this blend of intentional action and
that subconscious flow, what might you be capable of?
What could happen if you just committed fully to showing up
for the process of whatever it is you love?
Trusting that maybe that muse, that flow state will guide you
(13:32):
through the unexpected parts, just like it does for an artist
grinding it out or a martial artist on the mats.
We hope this deep dive into MikeMaxwell's really fascinating
conversation has given you some fresh perspective, maybe some
powerful new insights. Until next time, keep digging,
keep learning, and stay well informed.
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we're diving into some
really fascinating insights froma recent conversation with Mike
Maxwell. You know the acclaimed artist
behind that iconic logo for one of the world's biggest podcasts?
Yeah, that logo instantly recognizable.
Exactly. And our mission here, like
always, is to really pull out the most important Nuggets of
(00:20):
knowledge of those surprising facts from his unique
perspective. We're talking creativity,
discipline, modern life, all that stuff so you can get well
informed fast. Right.
And in this deep dive, we're going to uncover some really
interesting angles on creative work itself, Lus, the discipline
you find in something like martial arts and even the
(00:41):
psychology behind our habits, you know, Yeah.
Complexities of society, fame. It's a lot.
It is. The goal is really to connect
those dots, give you those aha moments if you just don't get
skimming the surface. OK, so let's set the stage.
Mike Maxwell, who is he? We mentioned the JRE logo,
right? He designed that maybe 15 years
ago, around episode 10 way back.Yeah, early days.
And he's done other major work, too, like a painting of Quentin
(01:03):
Tarantino. Really striking stuff.
But his story, it offers some profound lessons, and it starts
well, not just with talent, but with decades of pure hard work.
That's such a key point he made.He really pushes back on this
idea of artistic talent just being, you know, God-given.
He talks about 2526 years of just continuous grinding.
(01:25):
Yeah. Daily work.
Wow. Yeah.
And the insight is OK, maybe innate ability gives you a
different way of seeing things. But the actual technique, the
hand eye coordination, the precise execution that's built
relentless efforts sustained overtime.
It really challenges that romantic notion of the
effortless artists. Totally.
It's about application, consistent application, not just
(01:47):
predisposition. And this deep engagement and
leads him to describe these moments almost mystical, where
the work paints itself or writesitself.
He says after the prep work, thepiece just dictates its own
direction, like he's disconnected.
Right. I've heard authors talk about
that too. Characters taking on a life of
their own. The story just flows.
So the real insight there is maybe mastery leads to this flow
(02:09):
state so deep that the work guides the creator.
Effort becomes almost effortlessunfolding.
Yeah, exactly. And and that leads into another
interesting, maybe slightly controversial point.
They touched on this historical link between some artists and
substance use, like Hunter S Thompson or early Stephen King.
(02:29):
The idea being some creatives tried to like get out of their
head to find a different creative flow.
Important to stress, this was presented as a historical
discussion point in the source right, not endorsement.
Absolutely. Just acknowledging that context
and the huge challenge is someone like Hunter S Thompsons
editor David Mccumber faced managing that kind of volatile
genius. It makes sense though, this
(02:49):
desire to tap into something deeper, and for Maxwell it seems
like the art is that altered state.
He describes painting as hyper focused.
His mind clears, everything shuts off.
Like meditating for hours. And there's that dopamine hit
when it's done, like catching your breath.
He even calls art creative problem solving, like his
subconscious just feeds him solutions.
Which connects perfectly to Steven Pressfield's idea, right?
(03:12):
Summoning the muse, yeah. Just show up consistently, do
the work, and creativity will flow.
It's all about committing to that process.
And that focus on process, not outcome, that's so central for
him. Forget vision boards, he says.
For a real creator, the reward is in the work.
He even feels guilty when he's not working.
(03:32):
That's dedication. It also led to this really
interesting perspective on ADHD in kids.
Oh yeah, that was fascinating. Suggesting maybe it's not a
disorder, but an extraordinary ability for intense focus when
something actually engages. Them, right?
And the concern raised was, are we medicating kids just because
they're bored in maybe uninspired classrooms,
(03:55):
potentially suppressing unique talents?
It's a provocative thought, one last thing.
On the creative side, he mentioned isolation.
In visual arts. Yeah, he he contrasted it with
stand up comedy, which is much more communal.
Comics gather, workshop stuff, support each other.
It's true different creative ecosystems.
It highlights how important community can be for development
in some fields, maybe less so ordifferently in others.
(04:16):
So moving from the mental discipline of art, let's talk
physical discipline, Jiu jitsu. Right, He found running well,
boring his. Word.
I get that. So he gravitated to jiu jitsu,
found it rewarding, challenging,and great for mental well-being
character building. It just engaged him more than
cardio. And his own journey into it is
(04:38):
quite the story. Humility one O 1.
Definitely started at 30 right after seeing those early UFC's.
And he describes this humbling first year as a white belt got
hip tossed by some vanilla Corolla purple belt.
Oh man, vanilla gorilla love that.
Basically a strong, skilled guy.But here's the kicker, that
(04:58):
defeat didn't frustrate him, it fueled him.
That's why he eventually became a black belt.
He found motivation in the challenge itself.
That says a lot about mindset, and it brings up that contrast
in combat sports he talked about.
Exactly. He compared jiu jitsu to Muay
Thai. Getting hit in the face of Muay
Thai? Frustrating.
Worrying about brain health, understand.
But in jiu jitsu, getting caughtinto submission often leads to
(05:20):
like laughter, problem solving, less risk of that serious head
trauma. It changes the whole
psychological feel of training. And the practicality, or maybe
the impracticality of street fights for skilled people.
Right, they just become irrelevant.
He told that great story about De escalating a bar fight.
How did that go again? Just calmly whispered some
jujitsu options to the guy threatening him.
(05:41):
Showed how real skill avoids conflict, doesn't seek it out.
That's powerful. He also mentioned watching UFC
at the. Yeah, they're smaller venue
without the huge crowd noise. You actually hear the impact,
the kicks, the punches. He called it intimate, A
visceral understanding of the force involved.
Like hearing an acoustic set versus a stadium concert.
(06:05):
You feel it differently. That paints a picture and it
ties into the mindset of elite fighters.
For sure you see the whole spectrum pre fight nerves right
up to supreme confidence like Yolito Puri is celebrating the
night before his fight. It shows how physical gift, that
weird power gift he mentioned combined with just insane hard
work gets you to the top. And in jiu jitsu, that humbling
(06:26):
part again. Skill beats, strength,
technique, timing, leverage. A smaller person can dominate a
bigger one. It's knowledge.
Absolutely. OK, shifting gears slightly,
within the physical realm, training aids and health stuff.
Yeah, he mentioned the tip bar. What's that for again?
Strengthening muscles around theknee?
(06:46):
Yeah, for stability. Athletes use it a lot.
Plus specific techniques like lockdown and jiu jitsu.
Gotcha. And then broader health TRT came
up. Potential benefits, yeah, but
more universally cutting out sugar, he said.
The impact was humongous. Lost 15 lbs.
Wow, just from sugar. Apparently, and intermittent
fasting too, he found this weirdpleasure from the pain of
(07:07):
starvation felt more efficient. Pleasure from pain.
Interesting framing. And even connected diet to pets.
Oh right, with the dog food thing.
Yeah, talking about raw food diets like farmer's dog or
Maeve, how to improve his dog's coat, energy, health, drawing
parallels to human nutrition. It's all connected.
It really is. But maybe the most profound part
of his jiu jitsu experience was teaching it.
(07:28):
Oh. Definitely.
He called it a beneficial parasite.
Explain that. Because teaching forces you to
consciously think about movements that were just muscle
memory. It deepens your own
understanding, improves your technique.
You get better by sharing it. That's a great way to put it.
Sharing knowledge without gatekeeping.
Very positive. And it all feeds back into the
(07:50):
value of that Jiu jitsu community.
People from all walks of life finding common ground.
Equality through shared discipline.
It becomes a vehicle for understanding yourself better.
As he put it, shared struggle builds connection.
OK, let's pivot to society, culture, the Internet.
A big shift. Yeah, the conversation went
there, touched on early computers, Apple 94, Windows 95,
(08:13):
early Photoshop. The dawn of digital creativity.
And then the rise of memes. Remember the dancing baby?
Oh. God yes, 19992000 Creepy but
groundbreaking. Totally that uncanny valley
thing, but it showed how fast digital tools changed humor
expression, democratized it in away.
Which leads right into the changing landscape of fame.
(08:34):
Exactly, the Internet, reality TV, then Vine, TikTok.
Suddenly fame wasn't always tiedto traditional talent, right?
And he contrasted LA, where every single person was up to
something, chasing fame with Austin.
Austin felt more relaxed. Yeah, like people were just
people not constantly angling for celebrity.
(08:54):
A different vibe. That connects to the
authenticity point too, using Faraday bags at comedy shows.
Right. Blocking phones?
Yeah, it lets comedians be more honest, raw test material
without it ending up online instantly.
And it forces the audience to actually watch, be present.
Totally lock in a rare phone free experience these days.
Good for everyone involved. Foster's a real connection.
(09:16):
And that community vibe again, especially in Austin's comedy
scene. He described it as really
positive, supportive, valuing the process and results of the
art. Open mics being crucial.
Yeah, a beautiful community for young comics to grow without
that cutthroat backstab you feelyou hear about Elsewhere.
He mentioned Shane Gillis as an example.
Success from hard work. Sincerity, not just chasing
(09:37):
fame. Which brings up that core
tension, intrinsic motivation versus, well, greed.
Big time. The artist making art whether it
sells or not, versus the corporate focus purely on
numbers in a bank account. How do you drive innovation
without falling into that greed trap?
It's a tough question valuing the doing versus just the
financial return. And that theme of greed
(09:58):
unfortunately LED into the discussion around government
corruption. This was based purely on the
source material, of course. Right, important clarification.
What was raised? Allegations of insider trading
using Nancy Pelosi as a key example mentioned in the source.
The point made was that officials, potentially on both
sides, might profit from stock trades using privileged info
(10:19):
about upcoming loss. So access creates advantage.
That was the core insight presented.
Access to non public informationgiving a huge financial edge
raises serious questions about transparency, accountability
regardless of party lines. The source framed it as
systemic. So where does that leave
society? The conversation noted this
perceived shifting of the polls.Yeah, like parties adopting
(10:41):
stances that used to belong to the other side.
Interesting observation. And the rise of independent
journalism, just reporting facts, maybe unveiling how gross
this game is to more people, whatever their politics.
And then they're really out there idea AI.
As a potential fix for corruption, envisioning an AI so
efficient, so intelligent it makes corruption impossible
(11:03):
organizes spending for everyone's benefit.
That's optimistic. Highly.
But it circles back to human nature, right?
Those ape genes, tribalism causing divisions, the need to
elevate above that, avoid greed,foster altruism, suggesting our
problems are deeply rooted. OK, bringing it back to the
personal level that Miyamoto Musashi quote.
(11:23):
Once you understand the way broadly, you see it in all
things. Powerful, and it applies
everywhere, doesn't it? Art.
Jiu jitsu writing. Start seeing the underlying
patterns of mastery. Universal Principles.
And that Broadview helps you embrace the bizarre.
Yeah, find joy and how weird life and nature.
Are the examples were great plants using us to spread seeds,
(11:44):
tasty fruit but cyanide in the seed?
Clever spiders making decoys. Caterpillars mimicking snakes.
Right. It's a reminder to step back,
appreciate the wonder, the strangeness, not just the daily
grind. So what's the take away for you,
the listener? There's no real good working
manual for life, right? Especially for artists,
(12:06):
comedians, anyone on an unconventional path.
The advice boiled down to find what you love and literally just
fucking go for it despite the doubt.
And that's where the gift of difficulty comes back in, doing
hard stuff like jiu jitsu. It teaches you about yourself.
Yeah. Builds resilience.
Turns fear and uncertainty into a tool, a gift for navigating
(12:26):
complexity, recognizing that smart people feel fear because
they see more possibilities. That also highlights the tough
choices, like for pro fighters, knowing when to hang it up.
Yeah, the brain damage risk, financial insecurity.
They can't fight. All that dedication often leaves
few other skills. It's a real dilemma.
Which contrasts so sharply with the power of teaching.
(12:46):
Teaching jiu jitsu doesn't just help students, it tightens up
your own understanding, makes a teacher better.
He called it a missing part of the key to development and
crucial for avoiding that gatekeeping of knowledge.
Exactly. And finally, the conversation
ended on this note of evolution.Yeah.
All art forms, all disciplines, they keep evolving.
New techniques, new creative avenues constantly opening up.
(13:09):
It's never static, always more to learn, more to create.
So here's something to think about.
If our lives really are this blend of intentional action and
that subconscious flow, what might you be capable of?
What could happen if you just committed fully to showing up
for the process of whatever it is you love?
Trusting that maybe that muse, that flow state will guide you
(13:32):
through the unexpected parts, just like it does for an artist
grinding it out or a martial artist on the mats.
We hope this deep dive into MikeMaxwell's really fascinating
conversation has given you some fresh perspective, maybe some
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