August 14, 2025 • 13 mins
This recap episode unpacks an interview on The Joe Rogan Experience featuring Representative Anna Paulina Luna. The discussion largely centres on the topic of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), with Luna sharing her personal experiences and insights from her role in a congressional task force investigating these occurrences. She recounts instances of military UAP encounters, alleged government cover-ups, and the denial of information to Congress, highlighting the push for transparency and declassification of related documents. The conversation also explores broader themes of government secrecy, conspiracy theories (including the JFK assassination, RFK, and MLK investigations), intelligence community operations, and the potential implications of advanced technology that challenges current scientific understanding.
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(00:00):
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we're diving deep, really
deep into some, well, let us just say complex and often
highly classified stuff. We're talking unidentified
aerial phenomena, UAP's government transparency or maybe
the lack of it, and this whole intricate web of secrecy.
Our mission really is to give you a shortcut, a way to get
informed on these big topics, pulling insights, especially
(00:21):
from Representative Anna PaulinaLunas recent talk on the Joe
Rogan Experience. Expect, you know, personal
stories, some serious investigative work and
connections to history, even philosophy that might just
challenge how you see things. So let's get into it.
Let's start where it really began for Representative Luna.
This wasn't something she just jumped into in Congress.
It started earlier with a real hands on experience.
(00:42):
She was a airfield manager, Portland Air National Guard and
she found out about an F15 pilots report, an airspace
incursion. But the striking part, it wasn't
just that it happened, it was what the pilot said.
Something outperformed them, couldn't identify it, couldn't
understand how it moved. And maybe even more telling, the
pilot wouldn't talk about it afterwards, clammed up.
Why? Well, he mentioned the stigma,
(01:04):
you know, in the flight community, fear of losing
clearance. It's just being labeled crazy.
Yeah, that initial silence, it speaks volumes, doesn't it?
It really throws a spotlight on the huge professional risks, the
reputational risks for military folks who see these things.
It's not just, oh, I saw something weird.
It's potentially career ending and this culture, this
(01:25):
discouragement of even reportingit, that's a massive barrier to
actually understanding what's going on, especially if it
affects national security, points to something deeper, a
kind of institutional suppression.
Exactly. And you can see how that
experience must have stuck with her.
It wasn't just one pilot's fear.It was systemic.
She saw it. So later in Congress, she helped
form this UAP task force with representatives, mates and Tim
(01:48):
Burchett. The trigger, multiple pilots
this time at Eglin Air Force Base coming forward alleging a
cover up, a UAP cover up. But here's the really alarming
part for oversight. Congress itself was being
stonewalled, denied access. And we're not just talking about
base commander saying no. This refusal came from high up
the Pentagon, even the Secretaryof Defense, according to her.
(02:08):
Wow. OK, so denying information to
Congress, especially from that level, that's that's a direct
challenge to the whole system, right?
Congressional oversight is, I mean, it's fundamental in a
democracy, is how we hold power accountable.
When you have information being deliberately withheld,
particularly by unelected peoplein the executive branch, well,
it makes you ask serious questions like who's really
(02:30):
running the show? And while the secrecy, it really
shakes the foundation of that balance of power.
It absolutely does, and the nature of what they're allegedly
hiding, that's where it gets really mind bending, right?
Luna acknowledges. OK, maybe there's some
classified US tech out there we don't know about.
Sure. But she seems convinced some of
this UAP technology, it would rival what we know currently
(02:51):
with physics. That's a direct quote.
She even suggested it might operate through the time spaces
that we currently have. And here's a kicker.
Witnesses in congressional hearings, they've apparently
used terms like interdimensionalto describe these these things
or beings. Interdimensional.
OK, that's a huge conceptual leap, isn't it?
It forces you to think maybe your whole model of physics of
(03:13):
space-time, is just incomplete. When people start using words
like interdimensional, they're hinting at something beyond our
normal 3 dimensions, maybe parallel reality, stuff like
that. It's not just about faster
planes, it fundamentally challenges our definition of
reality itself. It suggests there are aspects of
existence we just haven't grasped yet.
It's profound. And she claims she's seen
(03:34):
evidence herself. She mentioned viewing photos
inside SCIF. You know, one of those super
secure facilities. And these photos for her, they
confirmed it. Things are out there that have
not been created by mankind. Her words.
She also brings up the history, says there are documented events
stretching way back, maybe even before the time of Christ.
(03:54):
So her take is you can't just dismiss thousands of reports
globally over centuries or call everyone who asks questions
psychologically unsound. That sounds like, well, a
disinformation campaign. And she points to Project Blue
Book. Remember that the Air Force
study from back in the day, its initial goal basically debunk
UFO stories. But the guy who ran it, J Allen
Hynek, he started as a skeptic and ended up a believer.
(04:16):
That tells you something, right?The evidence must have been
pretty compelling. And that history of suppression,
that's key. It just breeds distrust.
It actually fuels the conspiracytheories is trying to squash.
When governments actively deny or ridicule widespread reports,
people lose faith. The very act of hiding something
makes people think there must besomething big to hide.
(04:37):
It's this vicious cycle. Denial, speculation, more
distrust. It really damages public
confidence. So, OK, if the evidence is
potentially that significant, why hide it?
What's the rationale? Rep Luna suggests This idea of a
protective complex that maybe some advisors deep inside think
humanity just might not be able to handle it, that the truth
(04:59):
could, you know, rock your world, especially when it comes
to faith, religion, our whole place in the cosmos.
That's a classic tension, isn't it?
The government feeling it needs to control information versus
the public's right to know, especially something that's
potentially world. It's a kind of paternalism,
deciding what people are ready for.
But who gets to make that call? And where does that leave an
informed democracy? It's a tricky balance, or maybe
(05:21):
an imbalance. She definitely describes it as a
dangerous level of hidden information.
And she brings up that Egeland incident again.
Congress members denied access to whistleblowers, the excuse
they didn't have the right clearance for a specific special
access program. She talks about unelected people
operating totally in the shadows, and she sees this
pattern going way back, even into JFK.
(05:43):
Her view is that parts of the intelligence community have been
operating outside of the purviewof Congress, basically gone
rogue. And that's the crux of it, isn't
it? Accountability.
When you have that much power wielded in secret by people
nobody elected, how do you hold them accountable if they're
operating outside congressional oversight?
It fundamentally breaks a democratic model.
(06:03):
It creates this deep state scenario, eroding trust because
there are no checks, no balanceson that hidden power.
And trying to bring this stuff into the light, it's politically
risky big time, Luna said. They were flat out told pursuing
UA PS would ruin their politicalcareers.
She mentioned Tim Burchett facing a primary challenge
backed by the Intel chairman right after he pushed for more
(06:24):
UAP reporting legislation. So yeah, there are real
consequences, powerful forces pushing back.
Which makes that call for mass amnesty even more striking.
Amnesty for whistleblowers, maybe even people who misused
funds in these secret programs. The argument being the real
crime isn't the past actions, it's keeping this secret from
humanity. That's a powerful statement.
(06:45):
It suggests the truth is so important it outweighs other
concerns, and acknowledges thesepowerful deep state forces are
actively blocking transparency, maybe to keep a technological
edge, maybe for other reasons. The Amnesty D is about breaking
that deadlock urgently. It's fascinating how Luna
connects this current secrecy tomuch older narratives too, like
history, maybe even ancient ticks.
(07:06):
She brought up the book of Enoch, mentioned the Ethiopian
Orthodox Bible has 88 books calling it maybe an OG version
and how other Bibles remove books like maybe Enoch back in
the 4th century, possibly replaced by Revelations.
She called Enoch a wild Reed, talks about fallen angels
interbreeding with humans, creating a super race,
transferring knowledge, astronomy and metalworking which
(07:27):
in her interpretation led to thegreat flood.
She even connected to the Anunnaki idea, though says Enoch
uses a different term. That's a really interesting
angle, the idea that removing texts from religious canons
could be an ancient form of information control.
It suggests this isn't new, shaping collective belief by
curating information that might go back centuries, millennia
even. It makes you wonder what else
(07:49):
might be missing from our official histories are accepted
narratives. How is that shaped how we see
the world? And then there's the paranormal
angle she touched on remote viewing project Stargate at the
CIA. You can actually find
declassified documents online. CIA dot governing room.
They showed the CIA really did investigate psychic phenomena
like trying to use remote viewing to find the Ark of the
(08:11):
Covenant back in 1988, describing it.
You know, wood, gold, silver, seraphim decorations.
Luna also mentioned telepathy tapes.
Nonverbal autistic kids showing telepathic abilities.
Successful people claiming they download information through
meditation. It really does make you consider
if human consciousness has abilities we've sort of
forgotten, or maybe they atrophied, as she put it.
(08:33):
The fact that serious governmentagencies like the CIA invested
time and money into researching this stuff, even under the
banner of national security, well, it kind of validates the
potential, doesn't it? It suggests there might be more
to perception, intuition, maybe even connection that our
mainstream science currently acknowledges and the governments
have taken it seriously behind closed doors.
Shifting gears slightly but sticking with secrecy, the JFK
(08:57):
assassination came up too. As another major example.
Luna mentioned AK, GB profile ofOswald.
They apparently thought he was nuts, not capable of the shot.
She brought up the CIA as Joanesha's file, an internal
file allegedly admitting the CIAlied to Congress, stonewalled
the investigation and the WarrenCommission, omitting evidence
(09:18):
intimidating witnesses. According to her sources, she
believes there were multiple shooters and that the whole
magic bullet theory was just a narrative cooked up to make the
official story fit with only a few bullets.
Right. And these historical cover ups
or perceived cover ups, especially around something as
huge as JFK, they do immense damage to public trust.
It creates this deep crack, thisfracture between the people and
(09:39):
the government, and it lasts. It fosters this kind of default
skepticism about anything official.
When foundational events feel distorted or hidden, it just
breeds suspicion across the board.
And she argues, these patterns of secrecy and maybe
self-interest aren't just historical.
They're alive and well in Congress today.
She talked about how new membersget almost no training, how
(10:00):
there's huge pressure to just toe the party line, how power
gets concentrated like with the Speaker.
She mentioned pushes for term limits, banning insider trading
by Congress members, citing Nancy Pelosi's wealth increase
as an example of how being in office gives access to market
moving info citizens don't have.Also pointed out how keeping
issues like immigration in a Gray area can actually benefit
(10:23):
politicians. More fundraising, more
campaigning instead of finding real solutions.
And that's a critical point. These aren't always just system
failures. Sometimes the system works
exactly as intended. For those in power, keeping
problems unresolved can be politically useful.
It keeps voters energized, keepsdonations flowing.
When power is centralized, transparency low, and officials
(10:43):
seem to gain from gridlock, it just reinforces that feeling.
The system isn't serving the public.
It makes real change incredibly hard.
OK, now let's bring it to the present day, the information
battlefield. It's digital now.
Luna brought up examples she believes show foreign
interference, like China fundingdomestic pop up riots.
She used that term Timu riots, suggesting they're quick.
(11:07):
Maybe artificial protests aroundissues like immigration or
Israel, Palestine claiming it's done through US billionaires
like Neville Sam to so division push foreign agendas.
She also talked about past censorship Twitter one point O
coordinating with DHS apparentlycontrol information about COVID
about January 6th, directly trying to influence public
perception. Yeah, and this isn't just theory
(11:28):
anymore, right? These are documented things.
Information warfare is real. You've got bot farms,
coordinated campaigns. It means we all need critical
thinking skills more than ever. You have to constantly question
what you're seeing online. Foreign actors are trying to
influence us, to divide us. Understanding that dynamic is
just crucial for navigating today's world.
And being an outsider challenging the system, Luna
(11:49):
shared her own experience. Smear pieces The Washington Post
questioning her background, her heritage, how Hispanic she was.
She sees it as a tactic attack the messenger to discredit the
message, especially when they challenge the status quo.
Exactly. It shows the kind of resistance
you face when you try to bring in fresh blood or just normal
people focused on principles, not just playing the game.
(12:11):
Those attacks are meant to delegitimize anyone threatening
the established order. Honestly, that kind of
disruption, that infusion of newperspectives willing to call out
a broken process, that's often exactly how systems get shocked
into changing. But despite all that pushback,
the stonewalling, the risks, shesays there is progress being
made. Circling back to the UAP task
(12:34):
force, she said despite the initial difficulties, they're
now getting full cooperation from the executive branch.
Some JFK documents have been released.
A congressional report is apparently coming.
Her point is it shows that transparency is what builds
trust. It's a slow grind definitely,
but maybe just maybe the tide isturning a little.
(12:55):
So after all that, what does this mean for you listening
right now? We've gone through a lot UA, PS,
government cover ups going way back, problems baked into our
current politics, the fight for truth online.
It's it's a lot to take in. It challenges a lot of
assumptions. Yeah, think about all these
threats you've got potential interdimensional tech, ancient
texts hinting at lost knowledge,governments deliberately hiding
(13:16):
things, foreign powers manipulating information.
How does weaving all that together change your view of the
world? Does it make you question things
differently? How you get your information?
Who you trust, maybe even your own sense of what's real?
It's definitely something to chew on.
Thank you for joining us on thisdeep dive.
Keep asking questions, keep digging, and keep seeking out
different perspectives.
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we're diving deep, really
deep into some, well, let us just say complex and often
highly classified stuff. We're talking unidentified
aerial phenomena, UAP's government transparency or maybe
the lack of it, and this whole intricate web of secrecy.
Our mission really is to give you a shortcut, a way to get
informed on these big topics, pulling insights, especially
(00:21):
from Representative Anna PaulinaLunas recent talk on the Joe
Rogan Experience. Expect, you know, personal
stories, some serious investigative work and
connections to history, even philosophy that might just
challenge how you see things. So let's get into it.
Let's start where it really began for Representative Luna.
This wasn't something she just jumped into in Congress.
It started earlier with a real hands on experience.
(00:42):
She was a airfield manager, Portland Air National Guard and
she found out about an F15 pilots report, an airspace
incursion. But the striking part, it wasn't
just that it happened, it was what the pilot said.
Something outperformed them, couldn't identify it, couldn't
understand how it moved. And maybe even more telling, the
pilot wouldn't talk about it afterwards, clammed up.
Why? Well, he mentioned the stigma,
(01:04):
you know, in the flight community, fear of losing
clearance. It's just being labeled crazy.
Yeah, that initial silence, it speaks volumes, doesn't it?
It really throws a spotlight on the huge professional risks, the
reputational risks for military folks who see these things.
It's not just, oh, I saw something weird.
It's potentially career ending and this culture, this
(01:25):
discouragement of even reportingit, that's a massive barrier to
actually understanding what's going on, especially if it
affects national security, points to something deeper, a
kind of institutional suppression.
Exactly. And you can see how that
experience must have stuck with her.
It wasn't just one pilot's fear.It was systemic.
She saw it. So later in Congress, she helped
form this UAP task force with representatives, mates and Tim
(01:48):
Burchett. The trigger, multiple pilots
this time at Eglin Air Force Base coming forward alleging a
cover up, a UAP cover up. But here's the really alarming
part for oversight. Congress itself was being
stonewalled, denied access. And we're not just talking about
base commander saying no. This refusal came from high up
the Pentagon, even the Secretaryof Defense, according to her.
(02:08):
Wow. OK, so denying information to
Congress, especially from that level, that's that's a direct
challenge to the whole system, right?
Congressional oversight is, I mean, it's fundamental in a
democracy, is how we hold power accountable.
When you have information being deliberately withheld,
particularly by unelected peoplein the executive branch, well,
it makes you ask serious questions like who's really
(02:30):
running the show? And while the secrecy, it really
shakes the foundation of that balance of power.
It absolutely does, and the nature of what they're allegedly
hiding, that's where it gets really mind bending, right?
Luna acknowledges. OK, maybe there's some
classified US tech out there we don't know about.
Sure. But she seems convinced some of
this UAP technology, it would rival what we know currently
(02:51):
with physics. That's a direct quote.
She even suggested it might operate through the time spaces
that we currently have. And here's a kicker.
Witnesses in congressional hearings, they've apparently
used terms like interdimensionalto describe these these things
or beings. Interdimensional.
OK, that's a huge conceptual leap, isn't it?
It forces you to think maybe your whole model of physics of
(03:13):
space-time, is just incomplete. When people start using words
like interdimensional, they're hinting at something beyond our
normal 3 dimensions, maybe parallel reality, stuff like
that. It's not just about faster
planes, it fundamentally challenges our definition of
reality itself. It suggests there are aspects of
existence we just haven't grasped yet.
It's profound. And she claims she's seen
(03:34):
evidence herself. She mentioned viewing photos
inside SCIF. You know, one of those super
secure facilities. And these photos for her, they
confirmed it. Things are out there that have
not been created by mankind. Her words.
She also brings up the history, says there are documented events
stretching way back, maybe even before the time of Christ.
(03:54):
So her take is you can't just dismiss thousands of reports
globally over centuries or call everyone who asks questions
psychologically unsound. That sounds like, well, a
disinformation campaign. And she points to Project Blue
Book. Remember that the Air Force
study from back in the day, its initial goal basically debunk
UFO stories. But the guy who ran it, J Allen
Hynek, he started as a skeptic and ended up a believer.
(04:16):
That tells you something, right?The evidence must have been
pretty compelling. And that history of suppression,
that's key. It just breeds distrust.
It actually fuels the conspiracytheories is trying to squash.
When governments actively deny or ridicule widespread reports,
people lose faith. The very act of hiding something
makes people think there must besomething big to hide.
(04:37):
It's this vicious cycle. Denial, speculation, more
distrust. It really damages public
confidence. So, OK, if the evidence is
potentially that significant, why hide it?
What's the rationale? Rep Luna suggests This idea of a
protective complex that maybe some advisors deep inside think
humanity just might not be able to handle it, that the truth
(04:59):
could, you know, rock your world, especially when it comes
to faith, religion, our whole place in the cosmos.
That's a classic tension, isn't it?
The government feeling it needs to control information versus
the public's right to know, especially something that's
potentially world. It's a kind of paternalism,
deciding what people are ready for.
But who gets to make that call? And where does that leave an
informed democracy? It's a tricky balance, or maybe
(05:21):
an imbalance. She definitely describes it as a
dangerous level of hidden information.
And she brings up that Egeland incident again.
Congress members denied access to whistleblowers, the excuse
they didn't have the right clearance for a specific special
access program. She talks about unelected people
operating totally in the shadows, and she sees this
pattern going way back, even into JFK.
(05:43):
Her view is that parts of the intelligence community have been
operating outside of the purviewof Congress, basically gone
rogue. And that's the crux of it, isn't
it? Accountability.
When you have that much power wielded in secret by people
nobody elected, how do you hold them accountable if they're
operating outside congressional oversight?
It fundamentally breaks a democratic model.
(06:03):
It creates this deep state scenario, eroding trust because
there are no checks, no balanceson that hidden power.
And trying to bring this stuff into the light, it's politically
risky big time, Luna said. They were flat out told pursuing
UA PS would ruin their politicalcareers.
She mentioned Tim Burchett facing a primary challenge
backed by the Intel chairman right after he pushed for more
(06:24):
UAP reporting legislation. So yeah, there are real
consequences, powerful forces pushing back.
Which makes that call for mass amnesty even more striking.
Amnesty for whistleblowers, maybe even people who misused
funds in these secret programs. The argument being the real
crime isn't the past actions, it's keeping this secret from
humanity. That's a powerful statement.
(06:45):
It suggests the truth is so important it outweighs other
concerns, and acknowledges thesepowerful deep state forces are
actively blocking transparency, maybe to keep a technological
edge, maybe for other reasons. The Amnesty D is about breaking
that deadlock urgently. It's fascinating how Luna
connects this current secrecy tomuch older narratives too, like
history, maybe even ancient ticks.
(07:06):
She brought up the book of Enoch, mentioned the Ethiopian
Orthodox Bible has 88 books calling it maybe an OG version
and how other Bibles remove books like maybe Enoch back in
the 4th century, possibly replaced by Revelations.
She called Enoch a wild Reed, talks about fallen angels
interbreeding with humans, creating a super race,
transferring knowledge, astronomy and metalworking which
(07:27):
in her interpretation led to thegreat flood.
She even connected to the Anunnaki idea, though says Enoch
uses a different term. That's a really interesting
angle, the idea that removing texts from religious canons
could be an ancient form of information control.
It suggests this isn't new, shaping collective belief by
curating information that might go back centuries, millennia
even. It makes you wonder what else
(07:49):
might be missing from our official histories are accepted
narratives. How is that shaped how we see
the world? And then there's the paranormal
angle she touched on remote viewing project Stargate at the
CIA. You can actually find
declassified documents online. CIA dot governing room.
They showed the CIA really did investigate psychic phenomena
like trying to use remote viewing to find the Ark of the
(08:11):
Covenant back in 1988, describing it.
You know, wood, gold, silver, seraphim decorations.
Luna also mentioned telepathy tapes.
Nonverbal autistic kids showing telepathic abilities.
Successful people claiming they download information through
meditation. It really does make you consider
if human consciousness has abilities we've sort of
forgotten, or maybe they atrophied, as she put it.
(08:33):
The fact that serious governmentagencies like the CIA invested
time and money into researching this stuff, even under the
banner of national security, well, it kind of validates the
potential, doesn't it? It suggests there might be more
to perception, intuition, maybe even connection that our
mainstream science currently acknowledges and the governments
have taken it seriously behind closed doors.
Shifting gears slightly but sticking with secrecy, the JFK
(08:57):
assassination came up too. As another major example.
Luna mentioned AK, GB profile ofOswald.
They apparently thought he was nuts, not capable of the shot.
She brought up the CIA as Joanesha's file, an internal
file allegedly admitting the CIAlied to Congress, stonewalled
the investigation and the WarrenCommission, omitting evidence
(09:18):
intimidating witnesses. According to her sources, she
believes there were multiple shooters and that the whole
magic bullet theory was just a narrative cooked up to make the
official story fit with only a few bullets.
Right. And these historical cover ups
or perceived cover ups, especially around something as
huge as JFK, they do immense damage to public trust.
It creates this deep crack, thisfracture between the people and
(09:39):
the government, and it lasts. It fosters this kind of default
skepticism about anything official.
When foundational events feel distorted or hidden, it just
breeds suspicion across the board.
And she argues, these patterns of secrecy and maybe
self-interest aren't just historical.
They're alive and well in Congress today.
She talked about how new membersget almost no training, how
(10:00):
there's huge pressure to just toe the party line, how power
gets concentrated like with the Speaker.
She mentioned pushes for term limits, banning insider trading
by Congress members, citing Nancy Pelosi's wealth increase
as an example of how being in office gives access to market
moving info citizens don't have.Also pointed out how keeping
issues like immigration in a Gray area can actually benefit
(10:23):
politicians. More fundraising, more
campaigning instead of finding real solutions.
And that's a critical point. These aren't always just system
failures. Sometimes the system works
exactly as intended. For those in power, keeping
problems unresolved can be politically useful.
It keeps voters energized, keepsdonations flowing.
When power is centralized, transparency low, and officials
(10:43):
seem to gain from gridlock, it just reinforces that feeling.
The system isn't serving the public.
It makes real change incredibly hard.
OK, now let's bring it to the present day, the information
battlefield. It's digital now.
Luna brought up examples she believes show foreign
interference, like China fundingdomestic pop up riots.
She used that term Timu riots, suggesting they're quick.
(11:07):
Maybe artificial protests aroundissues like immigration or
Israel, Palestine claiming it's done through US billionaires
like Neville Sam to so division push foreign agendas.
She also talked about past censorship Twitter one point O
coordinating with DHS apparentlycontrol information about COVID
about January 6th, directly trying to influence public
perception. Yeah, and this isn't just theory
(11:28):
anymore, right? These are documented things.
Information warfare is real. You've got bot farms,
coordinated campaigns. It means we all need critical
thinking skills more than ever. You have to constantly question
what you're seeing online. Foreign actors are trying to
influence us, to divide us. Understanding that dynamic is
just crucial for navigating today's world.
And being an outsider challenging the system, Luna
(11:49):
shared her own experience. Smear pieces The Washington Post
questioning her background, her heritage, how Hispanic she was.
She sees it as a tactic attack the messenger to discredit the
message, especially when they challenge the status quo.
Exactly. It shows the kind of resistance
you face when you try to bring in fresh blood or just normal
people focused on principles, not just playing the game.
(12:11):
Those attacks are meant to delegitimize anyone threatening
the established order. Honestly, that kind of
disruption, that infusion of newperspectives willing to call out
a broken process, that's often exactly how systems get shocked
into changing. But despite all that pushback,
the stonewalling, the risks, shesays there is progress being
made. Circling back to the UAP task
(12:34):
force, she said despite the initial difficulties, they're
now getting full cooperation from the executive branch.
Some JFK documents have been released.
A congressional report is apparently coming.
Her point is it shows that transparency is what builds
trust. It's a slow grind definitely,
but maybe just maybe the tide isturning a little.
(12:55):
So after all that, what does this mean for you listening
right now? We've gone through a lot UA, PS,
government cover ups going way back, problems baked into our
current politics, the fight for truth online.
It's it's a lot to take in. It challenges a lot of
assumptions. Yeah, think about all these
threats you've got potential interdimensional tech, ancient
texts hinting at lost knowledge,governments deliberately hiding
(13:16):
things, foreign powers manipulating information.
How does weaving all that together change your view of the
world? Does it make you question things
differently? How you get your information?
Who you trust, maybe even your own sense of what's real?
It's definitely something to chew on.
Thank you for joining us on thisdeep dive.
Keep asking questions, keep digging, and keep seeking out
different perspectives.
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