May 27, 2025 • 28 mins
What happens when the interviewers become the interviewees? In this special role-reversed episode, Tamika and Janiah from OG LLC. step into the hosting chairs to uncover the remarkable story behind Antoine and Bryunna, the father-daughter team that hosts The Journey Out podcast.
This candid conversation reveals how a deeply personal family challenge—a grandmother's dementia diagnosis—sparked a mission that eventually grew into multiple thriving businesses built on unwavering values. Antoine shares how his medical background and desire to help others led to founding a healthcare business, while Bryunna describes the undeniable calling she felt to join her father despite his initial hesitation.
Their journey wasn't without obstacles. The duo openly discusses navigating the complexities of their dual relationship—being family at home while maintaining professional boundaries in business. "What I had to realize within that first year was that I was still a dad and she was still a daughter," Antoine reflects, highlighting how establishing distinct contexts helped them thrive together.
When asked about their "secret sauce" for success, their answer is refreshingly simple yet profound: "The sauce is God." This foundation of faith, combined with their core values of family, love, and service, creates an authentic leadership approach that resonates with everyone they encounter. Their advice for other family businesses cuts straight to the heart of effective relationships: "Get out of your feelings and hold yourself accountable for your own actions."
Perhaps most inspiring is how they've maintained individual authenticity while creating something greater together. As Bryunna powerfully notes, "Everybody is not meant to lead and that's okay. But attributes of a leader is one who listens, who loves, and who can put their team first."
Ready to explore what happens when family values meet business ambition? Listen to this heartfelt conversation that will leave you reflecting on your own leadership journey and the values that guide your path forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I know some people probably had it hard, but I was
blessed.
They ain't never saw my mom anddad in stress, they only shows.
They said I'm living comfortfrom the sweat off they bags and
that's why all I ever wantedwas to give it back.
I'm not ashamed cause I wasraised right.
I would only be ashamed if Ididn't help you fight through
the pain, help you drain out thegames that your mind played.
(00:22):
No matter what, I never let myshine fade away, forever
searching for knowledge, hopingI find grace.
Outro Music.
Hello and welcome to theJourney Out podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I know this is not who you're used to seeing, but
I'm Tamika and this is Janiyah,and we are OG LLC and we're
flipping the script today.
This is part two of ourinterview, where we're going to
be talking to your normal hosts,Antoine and Brianna of the
Journey Out Podcast and more.
So welcome to the show, guys,thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
This is so different.
But look, we do got tissuesready because we know they're
gonna say something or ask ussomething that's gonna bring the
tears, especially for me, formy crybaby self.
So I'm ready.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Whatever, yes, whatever y'all got, I'm ready
first, thank you for letting usdo this.
Um, this is an idea I think Igave to you guys when you first
started the podcast and antoinewas not ready at that moment for
us to do it.
But one of the reasons that wewanted to do this was because
I've had the privilege ofmeeting you all through other
(01:52):
community partners and otherpeople that we've worked with,
and then we ended up being kindof in the same sphere, in the
same circle, before even workingwith you guys, to see you all
in action and work and thereputation that you have, the
admiration that I hear peopletalk about the two of you in
business, um, and just the careI've seen you take of other
(02:14):
people.
I was like there there's,there's something that we want
to capture in having theopportunity to hear from the two
of you.
So thank you for letting me doit, because I know that you guys
are both a little hesitant, butwe will go easy on you, Thank
you.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So I'll have to say this I'llstart here, because I don't know
how much of this you've sharedwith your audience but you are a
father-daughter duo that runsmultiple businesses together.
How did that start?
Like what, what got you here?
Like how, how did how?
Did we end up at the tabletogether with you all?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Okay, so, first and foremost, my great grandmother
uh, she was diagnosed withdementia.
To make a long story short, um,we didn't understand what she
was going through.
She was living in the housewith us, my brother and my
sister.
We were all young and we didn'tunderstand what she was going
through.
Mind you, I was a medicalassistant at this time.
(03:14):
Dad was a medical assistant.
I was working at Baylordowntown, he was working at
Baylor in Carrollton and we wereseeing this.
But we didn't understand it.
We got the diagnosis and we'relike, hey, you're going to cure
it, let's give her something.
And they're like, no, there'sno cure.
You got to go take care of her.
But that's all we got.
Send her home.
And we're like what are wegoing to do?
(03:35):
He ends up, we end up kind ofgetting her together for the
most part.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Like we're understanding her Right together
for the most part, like we'reunderstanding right and that,
and that was through researchright and understanding what was
available to us right sobecause we didn't know that at
the beginning.
And so as we started toimplement some things to help
her, because she was frustrated,she was withdrawn and so she
stayed in her room because thehouse was frustrating, we you
know.
So it was just, it was justkind of chaotic and hard right.
(04:04):
So once we started learningthings, uh, finding resources
and implementing some things,what happened?
At that point we started seeinga kind of difference.
So me working in a geriatricoffice clinic in Baylor Clareton
, I mean Carrollton I kind ofunderstood then like, oh, this
is what is what's going on yeah,now it's affecting me, so I can
(04:26):
see what's going on, yeah, andso from that point through that
journey, we was like, hey,there's some other people in the
community that need help orthat need resources.
So let's start a PC home.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
When he started PC, it was 2017.
I was not a part of it then.
I was nowhere near it because Iwas still in school and
graduating and all that stuff.
You know, once you get out ofschool, it's like you got to go
get a job.
We got to do these things.
But that was actually lookingback.
God's his hand was all overthat.
I did geriatrics, I didinternal, I did plastics, I did
(05:01):
endocrinology and it all justgot me to this point now where I
knew a lot.
So, going to work one morning, Iwas like my dad has a business
and I knew why he started it.
I knew what was going on.
I'm like my dad has a business,I should probably help him.
And so that whole drive I'm apodcast girl I turned the
podcast down and I was like Ineed to help him.
(05:22):
I go to work that day.
I come back home and I was likeI need to help him.
I go to work that day.
I come back home and I'm like,hey, I'm gonna help you run this
business, I'm gonna help you.
And he's like Bree, no, he waslike just wait, give it six
months.
I can't pay you right now.
You know, we just just saveyour money.
And I was like, all right.
Then I went to work the nextday and it was still on my end.
It was, it was just something,it was a God thing, brew, go
(05:43):
help him.
And I was like, okay, I went towork that morning but I didn't
even talk to him.
I went to work.
I said, hey, you guys,unfortunately Friday's going to
be my last day I have to do this.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I came home I said, hey, I told him Friday's my last
day and he's like why did youdo that and so, that and so, but
also quick to get to this point.
Uh, she, she, she wanted to bepart of the business.
She was on vacation yeah, I wason vacation she was on vacation
so, but I was happy that shewas a part of it.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
So and then from there we just went through a
roller coaster of learning, justgetting clients in, clients
dealing with a lot of the thingsthat I learned during the
process of going school andworking at the hospital.
Uh, we got hit with justdifferent, different
foundational business growththings and at that point I
realized, hey, this is not forplay like this is serious, yeah
(06:39):
because she was.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
She was dead.
Let's do this.
I'm like I need you to do thisdad, let's do this.
Now, I need you to do this.
Yeah, so she was.
She was daddy, let's do this.
I'm like no, I need you to dothis, daddy, let's do this.
No, I need you to do this.
So she was getting frustrated,but at the same time, I was like
listen, no, I've been thereright now, I've done that.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
This is what I need you to focus on, and that's when
I learned what you talked aboutthe integrator piece.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
That's when I became he had help to put this together
.
Oh, I can do that, and that'skind of how the the duo kind of
started.
What I love about it is thatyou see people that operate in
family and I think people admirethat um one because they've
probably tried it.
Yeah, yeah, right and like thatdid not work yeah, and so I
think, even when we've talked toyou guys about that admiration
of your family and how you andwe'll share, about how you kind
of bring that to life, um, itisn't without things being
difficult, right?
That's the beauty of what youguys have, is that it's not that
(07:34):
like this was perfect.
We kicked this off, y'all weknew we were doing, we just know
, and so I think that share withus a little bit like not the,
not the tribulations, but someof the things that help you guys
, because I think that's whatfamilies see Well.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
first of all, what I had to realize, that, what I
didn't realize, probably withinthat first year that I was still
a dad and she was daughter.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Right, right right.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So as much as we were going and pushing and I was
wanting, thing it was, and thenshe, she, I just looked at it as
that.
It was just one one thing.
So what we had to do, or what Ihad to learn, is to kind of set
boundaries yeah uh, I had to setboundaries, I had to turn uh
(08:21):
running the company off in myhead and I had to be dad Right.
But for her it was just, itwasn't no boss or nothing, this
is dad Right.
So we had to kind of as wecoming home, me and her, we can
talk, and we can talk businessall day and night.
But she needed her space.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And vice versa.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, but I don't.
I didn't need no space.
I was cool, but I had torealize that she needed her
space to grow and to I had toturn it off yeah you know and be
dead for her, and so, uh, thatwas one thing that we had to
figure out, yeah, and once, onceI figured that part out, I was
(09:08):
like okay yeah, he was able tocome to me then and he was like
well, you got to understand,it's two, we're in two different
worlds.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Where I am dad at home, but I'm antoine here and I
was like, yeah, that makessense, and so I was going around
in the community.
I'm like, yeah, antoine, andbut people, most people know
that that's my dad, right, andso they're like you call your
dad Antoine.
I'm like, no, I don't, but inbusiness I do, and that's how we
set the tone.
And so when I'm coming to him,I'm like, especially when we're
in this business setting, look,you're, antoine, you're the
(09:36):
visionary for this business.
I'm coming at you like thisbecause everybody else got to
come at you like this, you know.
So we, so we set the tone, youknow what I mean.
So that was that was pivotalfor me, uh, because they helped
me kind of understand.
But also, I think roles likeroles were super important for
me too.
So I was able to realize,because for me, he can tell me
(09:57):
something and I'm like, oh, Iknow this, I know this, I know
this, but it's hard for me tosay, it's hard for me to say, no
, he has to in the beginning, hehas to make the final decision,
right, oh, yeah, yeah, that wasreally hard in the beginning I
didn't understand.
I'm like, well, this is a greatidea, we should just, you know.
And so it was hard for us tokind of navigate that.
So once I realized my role inis expanding the vision, and
(10:20):
bringing to him pros, cons,laying it out so he can see the
whole thing, and then he he'sable to take all the pieces and
make that decision that's gonna,you know yeah that's when I
realized we're more powerfulthis way you know, and so that's
been, that's been cool.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So to that point, you know, you guys have experienced
success in a business setting.
You are a phenomenal family.
I have not seen families ofyour size, of your character, of
your heart be able to functionas families and business people
in such a successful way.
And so, with that said, what isthe secret?
(10:58):
How do you do it?
We know the trajectory, we knowit was probably hard in the
beginning, but you reached thispoint and things just seemed to
blow up.
But how?
What's the sauce?
How did you do it?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
The sauce is God.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That's the foundation .
I don't, I'm not, I'm not smart.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I've learned.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You know, I have learned but to do what we, to
serve other people and to growand to be close to family.
It's been God.
I can't do it without him.
Secondly, understanding fromfamily my wife, the kids and my
mother and everybody theunderstanding and support,
(11:40):
Because that's key, that is realkey.
So that was big, because it'snot peaches and cream all the
time right right, it's ups anddowns and it's it's some good
times and bad times, and whenthe bad times hit, they seem
like they last longer than thegood time.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
But that support from family, uh, and staying prayed
up, that helps me I think, uh,well, just to piggyback off what
you're, what you're sayingthere, I think that's, that is
the sauce, because when I, whenI wake up in the morning, my
first thing is opening up thebible and getting right into it.
Um, and I think that it makesour job a little bit easier, I
(12:23):
think, just having thatfoundation, because we're going
to always lead to what that says, so it just makes it.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It just makes it easy you know pretty much makes the
choices for you.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Yeah, right yeah, I think one of the things I've
admired the most about you allis like, and you, you can tell
us your, your values of yourbusinesses and they go across
all your businesses right.
But I've not seen very manypeople live it all, live it in
action, like seeing y'all inaction, whether it's in the
(12:54):
community, whether it's together, whether it's how you interact
with us, whether it shows up.
It shows up all the time.
So, like, tell us your valuesand I think that what you guys
are sharing too is that inaction.
When you talk about theexpansion of your family or
getting through the hard times,those core values, I don't know
(13:17):
that I've seen very.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's like y'all check mark like is it this, is it,
this, is it this?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I've never seen people like live it live it out
loud like that well, well, thankyou for that.
I I mean so, for for us it'sfaith, family, love and service
and thank you tamika.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
see service and thank you Tamika.
But see, let me go back tothese ladies right here.
So when we talking to them,they come up with this stuff.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
They don't come up with it, we just put your we, we
help craft it, it's yours, theycraft it.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So they know you intimately so faith family, love
and service.
Yeah, they put a name to it.
Right and I thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I don't know.
I honestly don't know it's.
I don't know man.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I think the answer could be deeper, if that makes
sense.
But like growing up, we've justalways been close loyalty, yeah
, so brother, sister, like Idon't think there's any family
member that would.
That was just say otherwise.
Like we just stay close, evenlike my sister lost you, like I
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just y'all just love on us.
It's always a hug and I loveyou and so so.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So you brought up sister-in-law, so my wife, she's
from mississippi.
When she me and her starteddating she didn't understand why
my family always hugged, whyevery time you get out the phone
, or you just walked in the roomor you leave.
And I love you yeah she thatthat blew her mind so she did
(14:56):
not understand that.
Uh, my son's wife, it's thesame thing she's like.
Well, y'all say love you allthe time and we don't, we don't
and people don't understand that, but I, I guess we know it's a
biblical value.
First, and foremost and that, uh, I know for me, being lawyer to
(15:23):
the streets and growing up, youknow that was there, uh, but
Family always been there and Idon't know we treat friends,
family, our clients.
Listen, once we know you, ifwe're with you, we're with you
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and this is nothing else thatcan change that.
So if we say you family, guesswhat's what it is we got you
back and then it, then itbecomes how can we serve?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
you right, because at the end it's not about us
anymore it's, it's about you,it's about the collective.
So now, how can we better serveyou?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
so I don't, I don't I don't know, I don't know how to
explain it.
Just, it just comes natural.
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's who you are, you literally see it when we see
we've met your family,absolutely undeniable.
Same thing Like the things thatyou do as a family and how you
move, admirable In business.
Same thing Like we've seen youguys struggle over navigating
relationships Like it is hard toget people.
They will love you for life.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I'm just telling the world If they love you it's
going to be, real hard to makethem unlove you Like you stuck
For life right.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Stuck and that is so rare.
And you do that in business.
You do it for the community,like you give till.
It hurts, but clearly you'rerewarded for it and so I just
admire it like it.
Just it shows up in to thepoint that you say you can't
explain it, you just have toexperience it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
So if you have a chance to work with them if you
listen to the podcast and yousee the dynamic between them.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You look at the work that they do um.
Those core values are literallyin action.
You need a touch of it faith,family, love or service.
Just tap into these two and youwill get it.
That's sweet, thank you.
I don't unlove people at all,so yeah this is hard for me.
I don't like talking like thisOkay, so I'll keep it easy.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I'll bring it back up .
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I'll bring it back up .
I'll bring it back up.
We won't get all emotional, butabsolutely it's a love fest.
I'll bring it back up.
We won't get all emotional, butabsolutely it's a love fest.
What advice would you give toeither a family that's trying to
navigate being a better family,or a family that's trying to do
business together, or justpeople trying to potentially
gravitate more towards yourvalues?
(17:49):
How do people get like y'all?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
It's a special existence.
I'm gonna say this first, thisis a big one.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
It's gonna sound a little weird, but it's get out
of your feeling yeah, especiallyit sounds weird especially,
first of all, get out yourfeelings and hold you got to be
accountable for your own actions, right, right, that's first and
foremost if you, if you workingwith family or working with
other people, right uh, servingother people, uh, accountability
(18:23):
first plays a big part right uh, your intentions may be one way
, but that person probably don'tperceive your intentions to be
that way, right?
so if they feel a certain typeof way, hey, my fault, right,
right, okay, in in business with, with our clients, hey, if we,
if we uh had a mishap or youknow, hey, my fault, let's make
(18:47):
this better, right?
So that's first so, and andthen the part of getting out
your feelings is hey, I'm goingto hold this mirror up to you,
which nobody like having amirror held up to them, right.
But you have to be able toreceive this out of love, right,
and not don't get defensivewith it, right, right.
So you receive it out of lovebecause I want you to hold a
(19:09):
mirror to me.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
If I'm out of pocket too Right, hold a mirror to me,
right?
If I'm out of pocket too right.
So, yeah, you have to get outyour feelings.
Uh.
So, working in the in a familyenvironment, first of all at
home, it had to start at home,right?
Uh, I think, uh, us as menblack men as well uh, we need to
get comfortable with leadingright, and the women mature
(19:33):
faster than we do.
Uh.
So we 20, they, they mine is in30s, really so and the women
have had a time in being inrunning the household and and
having to make up for us as menare shortfalls, but as we grow
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and mature, we have to bewilling to take that role and
lead our house and be thankfulfor the women that we have in
our life putting up with ourmess.
So that's another one.
My final thing that makes itall go is God.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I was talking to someone a while back and they
were saying oh, man, you'redoing a great job, you know you,
you man.
I said man, you know what Godget that credit.
Oh well, no, well, you was updoing it and doing this.
I was like, well, no, god, youknow, allow me to do that.
(20:33):
Oh, you got to take some of thecredit.
Well, let me tell you this manis a point of time to live and
to die.
Now one of us know we weren'tgonna leave this earth.
God did right.
So if he allowed me to wake upthis morning to do what he put a
purpose in my heart to serveothers.
(20:55):
I can't take no credit for thatright you know.
So god get the glory, and he'sthe foundation what you I mean
yes to all that.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
And then also for for me, it was again being able to
take that leadership you have to.
You have to, you have to wantthat, because if you're gonna,
if if you're gonna just continueto just fight and bump head,
you're not gonna grow, you know.
(21:25):
So that that was that was forme.
Like I have my father here whois not gonna do anything
intentional to hurt me, thebusiness whatever.
So why not just say, okay,let's do it your way and just
see where it goes?
And then like, hey, well, Iremember last time we did this,
I, I remember this part youwanted to tweak it.
(21:46):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Let's do it, you know, andthat's how it works and that's
how I mesh it.
So I think if anything as afamily unit you want to go into
something, or if you just wantto improve, like your at home
life, I think be willing tolisten and lead with love first
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and leave with love first, and Ithink when you do those things,
there's never a time where youwill I don't know do anything
that could hurt the other'sfeelings or put like mess
something up.
I don't know if I'm makingsense, but that's kind of what I
would say.
Just I think it's your yeah yourfour values.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
What I hear you all always share live, see is that
you all have individualcommitments yes to those values.
So you individually want towalk in love.
You individually have your ownfaith you individually are of
service, and so because you'recommitted to those things in a
bigger way individually when youwork together, you're grounded
(22:45):
in that, and so then, you alwaysall default back to that, even
through the hard times that'swhat I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
We just say it, and then they just put a bone you
see that but that's your visionand that's your way.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And so when we go back to if you have not watched
part one, watch part one.
But the authenticity with whichyou guys show up again, it's
that individual authenticity.
Brie is still Brie, antoine isstill Antoine.
Collectively, you are this thingbut you still represent those
same values and they carry allthe way through your life, both
in your home, in your business,out in the community, and it's
(23:21):
admirable.
This is a model for success,whether it's a family business
or otherwise.
You see big companies.
They have their values hung upon the wall.
If individuals don't connect tothat individually, they're not
going to perform.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
for the greater good.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And I think you guys just exhibit that to the team.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
We've seen companies when they stray away from their
values, and don't I mean you cango big companies.
I worked for Washington Mutual,a big bank.
Same thing I worked for youknow.
Washington Mutual, a big bank.
Same thing.
You can look at companies thatare huge.
When they stray away from whatmade them successful with those
core values, they end up notstaying the same.
You know not stay.
So you guys are living that andsetting that example in this
(24:00):
way that families can see.
You don't always relate to bigcorporations.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
We can absolutely relate to what you all are doing
and the example you all aresetting, and that's the goal and
, even as we continue to grow,that has to stay the same.
If it doesn't.
Somewhere along the line,something has tipped over, and
it's not, you know.
And so now we have to get backon course.
Where did we fall short?
And again that goes back tolooking at ourselves first
accountability course.
Where do we fall short?
And again that goes back tolooking at ourselves first
accountability we.
We're going to take that onwhere do we stop?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
so I love that.
Well, listen, I love y'all, welove y'all.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
This has been the journey into the journey, the
journey into, the journey outsee, and if y'all get the edited
version, we'll remove thetissues.
But no, we won't so if you had,so as closing yeah yes in in
(24:56):
being that we got theopportunity to share.
How do y'all one feel aboutsharing, but two, just, would
you have anything that you wouldsay, even as we're all like you
, go work with this, any of anyof your businesses.
We, we know everybody shouldwork with y'all y'all co-sign us
like how would you share thatsomebody builds this kind of
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thing too I put god first putgod first walk on the path, the
narrow path, and then everythingelse would make sense.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Everything, everybody and everything that is going to
come along with that andsupposed to be a part of that
vision and that mission is gonnacome put God first walk on the
narrow path and don't be afraidto be yourself.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
right and I think that was one of my biggest
struggles right To just findmyself in this space.
And once you find yourself inthis space, man, it's a lot
easier.
So don't be afraid to beyourself.
I do not open up and share witha lot of people At all, but
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that can be healing right to theright people.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
uh, because, yeah, these young ladies right here- I
think, when you do that too, noconnections like this are
accident.
Yeah, when you feel that youare walking in your purpose and
when you feel that you weredoing it.
I feel like these kinds ofrelationships and business
connections and familyconnections and everything Feel
(26:32):
like they are divine.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Absolutely.
And, antoine, let me just offeryou this as we close.
Your vulnerability Is healingfor someone else, so to the
extent that you all talk, aboutthe journey out and helping
people Along their journey.
You being willing to open up.
You spoke to black men.
You spoke to fathers you spoketo business leaders and you
don't have to do it all the time.
(26:55):
Just sharing it in that spaceis going to open up for someone
else.
And so thank you for theopportunity.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Thank y'all.
To close this, let me just saythis for real you can't not.
Everybody is meant to lead andthat's okay.
But attributes of a leader isone who listens, who loves and
who can put their team first,and that on top, like if you
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follow somebody like that,you're going to the moon.
Like listen, loves and puttheir team first.
And I'm going to end it withthat.
I'm done Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
All right, thank you, that has been the journey out.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, that's been the journey out Now go back watch
part one, if you haven't seenpart one.
This is part two.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Next episode we will be back as hosts.
This again.
Okay, we're done.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Okay, I love y'all, peace out, thank you.
I know some people probably had it hard, but I was
blessed.
They ain't never saw my mom anddad in stress, they only shows.
They said I'm living comfortfrom the sweat off they bags and
that's why all I ever wantedwas to give it back.
I'm not ashamed cause I wasraised right.
I would only be ashamed if Ididn't help you fight through
the pain, help you drain out thegames that your mind played.
(00:22):
No matter what, I never let myshine fade away, forever
searching for knowledge, hopingI find grace.
Outro Music.
Hello and welcome to theJourney Out podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I know this is not who you're used to seeing, but
I'm Tamika and this is Janiyah,and we are OG LLC and we're
flipping the script today.
This is part two of ourinterview, where we're going to
be talking to your normal hosts,Antoine and Brianna of the
Journey Out Podcast and more.
So welcome to the show, guys,thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
This is so different.
But look, we do got tissuesready because we know they're
gonna say something or ask ussomething that's gonna bring the
tears, especially for me, formy crybaby self.
So I'm ready.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Whatever, yes, whatever y'all got, I'm ready
first, thank you for letting usdo this.
Um, this is an idea I think Igave to you guys when you first
started the podcast and antoinewas not ready at that moment for
us to do it.
But one of the reasons that wewanted to do this was because
I've had the privilege ofmeeting you all through other
(01:52):
community partners and otherpeople that we've worked with,
and then we ended up being kindof in the same sphere, in the
same circle, before even workingwith you guys, to see you all
in action and work and thereputation that you have, the
admiration that I hear peopletalk about the two of you in
business, um, and just the careI've seen you take of other
(02:14):
people.
I was like there there's,there's something that we want
to capture in having theopportunity to hear from the two
of you.
So thank you for letting me doit, because I know that you guys
are both a little hesitant, butwe will go easy on you, Thank
you.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So I'll have to say this I'llstart here, because I don't know
how much of this you've sharedwith your audience but you are a
father-daughter duo that runsmultiple businesses together.
How did that start?
Like what, what got you here?
Like how, how did how?
Did we end up at the tabletogether with you all?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Okay, so, first and foremost, my great grandmother
uh, she was diagnosed withdementia.
To make a long story short, um,we didn't understand what she
was going through.
She was living in the housewith us, my brother and my
sister.
We were all young and we didn'tunderstand what she was going
through.
Mind you, I was a medicalassistant at this time.
(03:14):
Dad was a medical assistant.
I was working at Baylordowntown, he was working at
Baylor in Carrollton and we wereseeing this.
But we didn't understand it.
We got the diagnosis and we'relike, hey, you're going to cure
it, let's give her something.
And they're like, no, there'sno cure.
You got to go take care of her.
But that's all we got.
Send her home.
And we're like what are wegoing to do?
(03:35):
He ends up, we end up kind ofgetting her together for the
most part.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Like we're understanding her Right together
for the most part, like we'reunderstanding right and that,
and that was through researchright and understanding what was
available to us right sobecause we didn't know that at
the beginning.
And so as we started toimplement some things to help
her, because she was frustrated,she was withdrawn and so she
stayed in her room because thehouse was frustrating, we you
know.
So it was just, it was justkind of chaotic and hard right.
(04:04):
So once we started learningthings, uh, finding resources
and implementing some things,what happened?
At that point we started seeinga kind of difference.
So me working in a geriatricoffice clinic in Baylor Clareton
, I mean Carrollton I kind ofunderstood then like, oh, this
is what is what's going on yeah,now it's affecting me, so I can
(04:26):
see what's going on, yeah, andso from that point through that
journey, we was like, hey,there's some other people in the
community that need help orthat need resources.
So let's start a PC home.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
When he started PC, it was 2017.
I was not a part of it then.
I was nowhere near it because Iwas still in school and
graduating and all that stuff.
You know, once you get out ofschool, it's like you got to go
get a job.
We got to do these things.
But that was actually lookingback.
God's his hand was all overthat.
I did geriatrics, I didinternal, I did plastics, I did
(05:01):
endocrinology and it all justgot me to this point now where I
knew a lot.
So, going to work one morning, Iwas like my dad has a business
and I knew why he started it.
I knew what was going on.
I'm like my dad has a business,I should probably help him.
And so that whole drive I'm apodcast girl I turned the
podcast down and I was like Ineed to help him.
(05:22):
I go to work that day.
I come back home and I was likeI need to help him.
I go to work that day.
I come back home and I'm like,hey, I'm gonna help you run this
business, I'm gonna help you.
And he's like Bree, no, he waslike just wait, give it six
months.
I can't pay you right now.
You know, we just just saveyour money.
And I was like, all right.
Then I went to work the nextday and it was still on my end.
It was, it was just something,it was a God thing, brew, go
(05:43):
help him.
And I was like, okay, I went towork that morning but I didn't
even talk to him.
I went to work.
I said, hey, you guys,unfortunately Friday's going to
be my last day I have to do this.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I came home I said, hey, I told him Friday's my last
day and he's like why did youdo that and so, that and so, but
also quick to get to this point.
Uh, she, she, she wanted to bepart of the business.
She was on vacation yeah, I wason vacation she was on vacation
so, but I was happy that shewas a part of it.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
So and then from there we just went through a
roller coaster of learning, justgetting clients in, clients
dealing with a lot of the thingsthat I learned during the
process of going school andworking at the hospital.
Uh, we got hit with justdifferent, different
foundational business growththings and at that point I
realized, hey, this is not forplay like this is serious, yeah
(06:39):
because she was.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
She was dead.
Let's do this.
I'm like I need you to do thisdad, let's do this.
Now, I need you to do this.
Yeah, so she was.
She was daddy, let's do this.
I'm like no, I need you to dothis, daddy, let's do this.
No, I need you to do this.
So she was getting frustrated,but at the same time, I was like
listen, no, I've been thereright now, I've done that.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
This is what I need you to focus on, and that's when
I learned what you talked aboutthe integrator piece.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
That's when I became he had help to put this together
.
Oh, I can do that, and that'skind of how the the duo kind of
started.
What I love about it is thatyou see people that operate in
family and I think people admirethat um one because they've
probably tried it.
Yeah, yeah, right and like thatdid not work yeah, and so I
think, even when we've talked toyou guys about that admiration
of your family and how you andwe'll share, about how you kind
of bring that to life, um, itisn't without things being
difficult, right?
That's the beauty of what youguys have, is that it's not that
(07:34):
like this was perfect.
We kicked this off, y'all weknew we were doing, we just know
, and so I think that share withus a little bit like not the,
not the tribulations, but someof the things that help you guys
, because I think that's whatfamilies see Well.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
first of all, what I had to realize, that, what I
didn't realize, probably withinthat first year that I was still
a dad and she was daughter.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Right, right right.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So as much as we were going and pushing and I was
wanting, thing it was, and thenshe, she, I just looked at it as
that.
It was just one one thing.
So what we had to do, or what Ihad to learn, is to kind of set
boundaries yeah uh, I had to setboundaries, I had to turn uh
(08:21):
running the company off in myhead and I had to be dad Right.
But for her it was just, itwasn't no boss or nothing, this
is dad Right.
So we had to kind of as wecoming home, me and her, we can
talk, and we can talk businessall day and night.
But she needed her space.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And vice versa.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, but I don't.
I didn't need no space.
I was cool, but I had torealize that she needed her
space to grow and to I had toturn it off yeah you know and be
dead for her, and so, uh, thatwas one thing that we had to
figure out, yeah, and once, onceI figured that part out, I was
(09:08):
like okay yeah, he was able tocome to me then and he was like
well, you got to understand,it's two, we're in two different
worlds.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Where I am dad at home, but I'm antoine here and I
was like, yeah, that makessense, and so I was going around
in the community.
I'm like, yeah, antoine, andbut people, most people know
that that's my dad, right, andso they're like you call your
dad Antoine.
I'm like, no, I don't, but inbusiness I do, and that's how we
set the tone.
And so when I'm coming to him,I'm like, especially when we're
in this business setting, look,you're, antoine, you're the
(09:36):
visionary for this business.
I'm coming at you like thisbecause everybody else got to
come at you like this, you know.
So we, so we set the tone, youknow what I mean.
So that was that was pivotalfor me, uh, because they helped
me kind of understand.
But also, I think roles likeroles were super important for
me too.
So I was able to realize,because for me, he can tell me
(09:57):
something and I'm like, oh, Iknow this, I know this, I know
this, but it's hard for me tosay, it's hard for me to say, no
, he has to in the beginning, hehas to make the final decision,
right, oh, yeah, yeah, that wasreally hard in the beginning I
didn't understand.
I'm like, well, this is a greatidea, we should just, you know.
And so it was hard for us tokind of navigate that.
So once I realized my role inis expanding the vision, and
(10:20):
bringing to him pros, cons,laying it out so he can see the
whole thing, and then he he'sable to take all the pieces and
make that decision that's gonna,you know yeah that's when I
realized we're more powerfulthis way you know, and so that's
been, that's been cool.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So to that point, you know, you guys have experienced
success in a business setting.
You are a phenomenal family.
I have not seen families ofyour size, of your character, of
your heart be able to functionas families and business people
in such a successful way.
And so, with that said, what isthe secret?
(10:58):
How do you do it?
We know the trajectory, we knowit was probably hard in the
beginning, but you reached thispoint and things just seemed to
blow up.
But how?
What's the sauce?
How did you do it?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
The sauce is God.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That's the foundation .
I don't, I'm not, I'm not smart.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I've learned.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You know, I have learned but to do what we, to
serve other people and to growand to be close to family.
It's been God.
I can't do it without him.
Secondly, understanding fromfamily my wife, the kids and my
mother and everybody theunderstanding and support,
(11:40):
Because that's key, that is realkey.
So that was big, because it'snot peaches and cream all the
time right right, it's ups anddowns and it's it's some good
times and bad times, and whenthe bad times hit, they seem
like they last longer than thegood time.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
But that support from family, uh, and staying prayed
up, that helps me I think, uh,well, just to piggyback off what
you're, what you're sayingthere, I think that's, that is
the sauce, because when I, whenI wake up in the morning, my
first thing is opening up thebible and getting right into it.
Um, and I think that it makesour job a little bit easier, I
(12:23):
think, just having thatfoundation, because we're going
to always lead to what that says, so it just makes it.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It just makes it easy you know pretty much makes the
choices for you.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Yeah, right yeah, I think one of the things I've
admired the most about you allis like, and you, you can tell
us your, your values of yourbusinesses and they go across
all your businesses right.
But I've not seen very manypeople live it all, live it in
action, like seeing y'all inaction, whether it's in the
(12:54):
community, whether it's together, whether it's how you interact
with us, whether it shows up.
It shows up all the time.
So, like, tell us your valuesand I think that what you guys
are sharing too is that inaction.
When you talk about theexpansion of your family or
getting through the hard times,those core values, I don't know
(13:17):
that I've seen very.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's like y'all check mark like is it this, is it,
this, is it this?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I've never seen people like live it live it out
loud like that well, well, thankyou for that.
I I mean so, for for us it'sfaith, family, love and service
and thank you tamika.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
see service and thank you Tamika.
But see, let me go back tothese ladies right here.
So when we talking to them,they come up with this stuff.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
They don't come up with it, we just put your we, we
help craft it, it's yours, theycraft it.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So they know you intimately so faith family, love
and service.
Yeah, they put a name to it.
Right and I thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I don't know.
I honestly don't know it's.
I don't know man.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I think the answer could be deeper, if that makes
sense.
But like growing up, we've justalways been close loyalty, yeah
, so brother, sister, like Idon't think there's any family
member that would.
That was just say otherwise.
Like we just stay close, evenlike my sister lost you, like I
(14:27):
just y'all just love on us.
It's always a hug and I loveyou and so so.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So you brought up sister-in-law, so my wife, she's
from mississippi.
When she me and her starteddating she didn't understand why
my family always hugged, whyevery time you get out the phone
, or you just walked in the roomor you leave.
And I love you yeah she thatthat blew her mind so she did
(14:56):
not understand that.
Uh, my son's wife, it's thesame thing she's like.
Well, y'all say love you allthe time and we don't, we don't
and people don't understand that, but I, I guess we know it's a
biblical value.
First, and foremost and that, uh, I know for me, being lawyer to
(15:23):
the streets and growing up, youknow that was there, uh, but
Family always been there and Idon't know we treat friends,
family, our clients.
Listen, once we know you, ifwe're with you, we're with you
(15:47):
and this is nothing else thatcan change that.
So if we say you family, guesswhat's what it is we got you
back and then it, then itbecomes how can we serve?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
you right, because at the end it's not about us
anymore it's, it's about you,it's about the collective.
So now, how can we better serveyou?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
so I don't, I don't I don't know, I don't know how to
explain it.
Just, it just comes natural.
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's who you are, you literally see it when we see
we've met your family,absolutely undeniable.
Same thing Like the things thatyou do as a family and how you
move, admirable In business.
Same thing Like we've seen youguys struggle over navigating
relationships Like it is hard toget people.
They will love you for life.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I'm just telling the world If they love you it's
going to be, real hard to makethem unlove you Like you stuck
For life right.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Stuck and that is so rare.
And you do that in business.
You do it for the community,like you give till.
It hurts, but clearly you'rerewarded for it and so I just
admire it like it.
Just it shows up in to thepoint that you say you can't
explain it, you just have toexperience it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
So if you have a chance to work with them if you
listen to the podcast and yousee the dynamic between them.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You look at the work that they do um.
Those core values are literallyin action.
You need a touch of it faith,family, love or service.
Just tap into these two and youwill get it.
That's sweet, thank you.
I don't unlove people at all,so yeah this is hard for me.
I don't like talking like thisOkay, so I'll keep it easy.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I'll bring it back up .
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I'll bring it back up .
I'll bring it back up.
We won't get all emotional, butabsolutely it's a love fest.
I'll bring it back up.
We won't get all emotional, butabsolutely it's a love fest.
What advice would you give toeither a family that's trying to
navigate being a better family,or a family that's trying to do
business together, or justpeople trying to potentially
gravitate more towards yourvalues?
(17:49):
How do people get like y'all?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
It's a special existence.
I'm gonna say this first, thisis a big one.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
It's gonna sound a little weird, but it's get out
of your feeling yeah, especiallyit sounds weird especially,
first of all, get out yourfeelings and hold you got to be
accountable for your own actions, right, right, that's first and
foremost if you, if you workingwith family or working with
other people, right uh, servingother people, uh, accountability
(18:23):
first plays a big part right uh, your intentions may be one way
, but that person probably don'tperceive your intentions to be
that way, right?
so if they feel a certain typeof way, hey, my fault, right,
right, okay, in in business with, with our clients, hey, if we,
if we uh had a mishap or youknow, hey, my fault, let's make
(18:47):
this better, right?
So that's first so, and andthen the part of getting out
your feelings is hey, I'm goingto hold this mirror up to you,
which nobody like having amirror held up to them, right.
But you have to be able toreceive this out of love, right,
and not don't get defensivewith it, right, right.
So you receive it out of lovebecause I want you to hold a
(19:09):
mirror to me.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
If I'm out of pocket too Right, hold a mirror to me,
right?
If I'm out of pocket too right.
So, yeah, you have to get outyour feelings.
Uh.
So, working in the in a familyenvironment, first of all at
home, it had to start at home,right?
Uh, I think, uh, us as menblack men as well uh, we need to
get comfortable with leadingright, and the women mature
(19:33):
faster than we do.
Uh.
So we 20, they, they mine is in30s, really so and the women
have had a time in being inrunning the household and and
having to make up for us as menare shortfalls, but as we grow
(19:57):
and mature, we have to bewilling to take that role and
lead our house and be thankfulfor the women that we have in
our life putting up with ourmess.
So that's another one.
My final thing that makes itall go is God.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I was talking to someone a while back and they
were saying oh, man, you'redoing a great job, you know you,
you man.
I said man, you know what Godget that credit.
Oh well, no, well, you was updoing it and doing this.
I was like, well, no, god, youknow, allow me to do that.
(20:33):
Oh, you got to take some of thecredit.
Well, let me tell you this manis a point of time to live and
to die.
Now one of us know we weren'tgonna leave this earth.
God did right.
So if he allowed me to wake upthis morning to do what he put a
purpose in my heart to serveothers.
(20:55):
I can't take no credit for thatright you know.
So god get the glory, and he'sthe foundation what you I mean
yes to all that.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
And then also for for me, it was again being able to
take that leadership you have to.
You have to, you have to wantthat, because if you're gonna,
if if you're gonna just continueto just fight and bump head,
you're not gonna grow, you know.
(21:25):
So that that was that was forme.
Like I have my father here whois not gonna do anything
intentional to hurt me, thebusiness whatever.
So why not just say, okay,let's do it your way and just
see where it goes?
And then like, hey, well, Iremember last time we did this,
I, I remember this part youwanted to tweak it.
(21:46):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Let's do it, you know, andthat's how it works and that's
how I mesh it.
So I think if anything as afamily unit you want to go into
something, or if you just wantto improve, like your at home
life, I think be willing tolisten and lead with love first
(22:08):
and leave with love first, and Ithink when you do those things,
there's never a time where youwill I don't know do anything
that could hurt the other'sfeelings or put like mess
something up.
I don't know if I'm makingsense, but that's kind of what I
would say.
Just I think it's your yeah yourfour values.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
What I hear you all always share live, see is that
you all have individualcommitments yes to those values.
So you individually want towalk in love.
You individually have your ownfaith you individually are of
service, and so because you'recommitted to those things in a
bigger way individually when youwork together, you're grounded
(22:45):
in that, and so then, you alwaysall default back to that, even
through the hard times that'swhat I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
We just say it, and then they just put a bone you
see that but that's your visionand that's your way.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
And so when we go back to if you have not watched
part one, watch part one.
But the authenticity with whichyou guys show up again, it's
that individual authenticity.
Brie is still Brie, antoine isstill Antoine.
Collectively, you are this thingbut you still represent those
same values and they carry allthe way through your life, both
in your home, in your business,out in the community, and it's
(23:21):
admirable.
This is a model for success,whether it's a family business
or otherwise.
You see big companies.
They have their values hung upon the wall.
If individuals don't connect tothat individually, they're not
going to perform.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
for the greater good.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And I think you guys just exhibit that to the team.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
We've seen companies when they stray away from their
values, and don't I mean you cango big companies.
I worked for Washington Mutual,a big bank.
Same thing I worked for youknow.
Washington Mutual, a big bank.
Same thing.
You can look at companies thatare huge.
When they stray away from whatmade them successful with those
core values, they end up notstaying the same.
You know not stay.
So you guys are living that andsetting that example in this
(24:00):
way that families can see.
You don't always relate to bigcorporations.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
We can absolutely relate to what you all are doing
and the example you all aresetting, and that's the goal and
, even as we continue to grow,that has to stay the same.
If it doesn't.
Somewhere along the line,something has tipped over, and
it's not, you know.
And so now we have to get backon course.
Where did we fall short?
And again that goes back tolooking at ourselves first
accountability course.
Where do we fall short?
And again that goes back tolooking at ourselves first
accountability we.
We're going to take that onwhere do we stop?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
so I love that.
Well, listen, I love y'all, welove y'all.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
This has been the journey into the journey, the
journey into, the journey outsee, and if y'all get the edited
version, we'll remove thetissues.
But no, we won't so if you had,so as closing yeah yes in in
(24:56):
being that we got theopportunity to share.
How do y'all one feel aboutsharing, but two, just, would
you have anything that you wouldsay, even as we're all like you
, go work with this, any of anyof your businesses.
We, we know everybody shouldwork with y'all y'all co-sign us
like how would you share thatsomebody builds this kind of
(25:17):
thing too I put god first putgod first walk on the path, the
narrow path, and then everythingelse would make sense.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Everything, everybody and everything that is going to
come along with that andsupposed to be a part of that
vision and that mission is gonnacome put God first walk on the
narrow path and don't be afraidto be yourself.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
right and I think that was one of my biggest
struggles right To just findmyself in this space.
And once you find yourself inthis space, man, it's a lot
easier.
So don't be afraid to beyourself.
I do not open up and share witha lot of people At all, but
(26:05):
that can be healing right to theright people.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
uh, because, yeah, these young ladies right here- I
think, when you do that too, noconnections like this are
accident.
Yeah, when you feel that youare walking in your purpose and
when you feel that you weredoing it.
I feel like these kinds ofrelationships and business
connections and familyconnections and everything Feel
(26:32):
like they are divine.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Absolutely.
And, antoine, let me just offeryou this as we close.
Your vulnerability Is healingfor someone else, so to the
extent that you all talk, aboutthe journey out and helping
people Along their journey.
You being willing to open up.
You spoke to black men.
You spoke to fathers you spoketo business leaders and you
don't have to do it all the time.
(26:55):
Just sharing it in that spaceis going to open up for someone
else.
And so thank you for theopportunity.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Thank y'all.
To close this, let me just saythis for real you can't not.
Everybody is meant to lead andthat's okay.
But attributes of a leader isone who listens, who loves and
who can put their team first,and that on top, like if you
(27:23):
follow somebody like that,you're going to the moon.
Like listen, loves and puttheir team first.
And I'm going to end it withthat.
I'm done Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
All right, thank you, that has been the journey out.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, that's been the journey out Now go back watch
part one, if you haven't seenpart one.
This is part two.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Next episode we will be back as hosts.
This again.
Okay, we're done.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Okay, I love y'all, peace out, thank you.
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