Phonetics, Frequency Coordinator

Phonetics, Frequency Coordinator

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, it's also starting back over with the technician pool
is good because I mean, we're here doing this trying
to make new hands, to get people to upgrade to
general and extra. So those like I said, we started
ten years ago with the technician pool. If somebody is
looking for study material, there's teen year old stuff, is

(00:23):
probably gonna seem even though it's really still pretty relevant
for the most part, it's going to probably seem to
a lot of day to people that don't know any better. Yeah,
and as I mentioned earlier, some of this has changed
a little bit. So if you memorized all the questions
and answers from last time, if you memorized the letters
that went with each question, every single one of them,

(00:45):
about three hundred or whatever they are, Yep, they're going
to be some of them going to be different. Oh man,
I gotta rememorize them all again. If you're going to
take it again, which I don't know why you would,
you've already passed it. Well, I take some on a
portion of every month. Anyways, Well I do too. It's
good to go over some of this. One of two

(01:06):
of them kind of I don't want to say trip
me up, but they kind of did. Yeah, it happens,
you know, Like you said before, it's always good to
have a refresher. No matter how long you've been a ham,
how much you operate, some things just don't stick with you. So,
you know, going over the material again, it's not a

(01:26):
bad thing for anyone. So there's three different classes of
amateur radio licenses. There's a Technician Exam, which is the
entry level. Then there's a General Exam, which adds more privileges,
and then there's the Extra Exam, which adds even more privileges,
and that's the pretty much all of them, all of them.
That's the top license. But you always start out at

(01:49):
the Technician. The elements build on each other so they
get progressively harder. Technician is really more about learning how
to operate right and learning some of the rules that
you need to observe. You don't get as many frequency privileges,
but you get enough. Well, you get enough that I

(02:12):
had it for over ten years. Oh me too. I was. Yeah,
I had a great time with it. Really didn't know
anybot it did you know. Well, we knew that there
was other stuff out there, but until they dropped the
Morse code, we're slackers. We didn't actually learn the code.
Uh we got well, we upgraded the extra just as

(02:35):
soon as they dropped the code. Yeah, I figured I
write enough code every day. I don't want to learn
any extra. Me too, Me too. Anyway, you're stuck with
us now, a couple of no code extras. I guess
you could say, why would you want to get into

(02:56):
amateur radio? You know? I see people over now and
then and they say, what's that on your car? There?
Is that a CBN tennel? I said no, and they said, well,
my uncle have a CB. But yeah, it's not quite
the same thing it's for. I mean it's similar technology space,

(03:19):
but you know, it's a different thing. CB you can
do and people do any pretty much anything they want
to on there. But amateur radio is kind of self policing.
You can't conduct business and amateur radio anyway. It's open
to experiment, experimenting and a lot of different technologies. Yeah, CB,

(03:45):
you you buy the gear. You can't build your own radios. Yeah,
you can't use an amplifier, although some do. Yeah, it's
not legal. Though it's not legal, then you're lim Did
I think what it's like? Four for wats some a
m maybe FM two I think they have fmcbs they do,

(04:09):
and twelve watts pep on single side band, and there's
still a lot of people, honestly, be every now and
then I'll tune just down around ten meters on my
amateur radio into the eleven meter band there and I'll
hear some people there. It's it's quite different than listening

(04:30):
to amateur radio. Yeah, it's it's to me, it's not
a pleasant experience, but a lot of people enjoy it,
and you know, I don't. The only thing is like
if you travel, you listen to the trucks the stuff,
you may hear some and stuff. So you may hear
some stuff you don't want your children to hear either.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
So so amateur radio, you got to take a test.
There's an inch so you got to meet at least
minimum qualifications to get in.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
You got to know the rules. Yeah, you gotta basically
learn some operating procedures and such, and you can get
a technician class license that's going to give you more
than just that one band at twenty seven megahertz to
give a little bit of electronics theory, very very little, yep, Yeah,

(05:25):
a minor amount, but enough to kind of get your appetite. Wedded. Yeah,
just so, but more bands you can operate on with
amateur radio, more power up to fifteen hundred watts. So
that's a lot of modes. Yeah, uh, digital stuff nowadays,

(05:45):
all kind of cool stuff. Oh yeah, it's a great time.
A lot of different things you can do. Now. There
are other radio services that you could become a member of.
There's FRS. It's Family Radio Service and that what is that.
It's especially if when you go to Walmart and you
see those are the walkie tuckies and say you can

(06:06):
talk three four miles with them. Yeah, you can't now,
but that's uh, that's those are FRS. So just for
people to send off with their kids or whatever and
go when you go camp with your kids, you can
just communicate with them. That's another radio service. It's a
much lower power, but it does give you two way communications.

(06:28):
There's also GMRS. Yeah, it's it's a close uh to FRS.
It is. I think they make sure some frequencies they do.
They share the same frequencies, but then there's some additional ones. Yeah,
you can run a little higher power there and you
can have repeaters there, but you have to get a license.

(06:49):
Now you don't have to take a test, but I
think you pay a fee to get a license. Yeah.
I'm actually gonna go through the process of that to
on an amateur logic at some point. Yeah, some of
my list of things to do. So yeah, anyway, email
and his friends down slide L for begging the GMR. Yeah,

(07:11):
they've got repeaters to exchange your coverage, which that's another
thing for plus for ham radio for technician class even
got two meters in seventy centimeter. There's others too, but
those of the most common repeaters that you can use
a walkie talkie and talk you know, thirty to fifty

(07:31):
miles depending on your location to the repeater. Jeff and
the chat room says FRS is four hundred and sixty
seven maga herts. Now I think about it, that's right, Yeah,
it is. I was thinking about that too, And when
we said that they shared frequencies, I remember because of
the GMRS stuff is definitely in UHF so that's right.

(07:53):
Uh Over in England, Terry says they have PMR which
is four hundred and forty six megaherts. But if you
want to be one of the cool kids, get your
hand ticket, get your hamd ticket. You know, you might
not be a young person, or you might a lot
of people getting licensed, or people who have known about
ham radio for years but have never taken the step

(08:18):
to get licensed. Yeah, and some people a little snow
on the roof or snow on the driveway like me,
is that what that is? Yeah? Snow in the yard.
So we're going to study the technician exam. Now we're
already licensed. We've taken all our exams, but it's still

(08:41):
good to review this stuff. Even though we're Hams. And
you know, I see a lot of people in the
chat room there that are Hams. Probably most of the
people over in there are. They're here to have fun too.
Sure this with your non ham friends exactly, We encourage it.
So we've told you what is ham radio? But you know,

(09:03):
if I think back way back into the future. Yeah,
wait a minute, that's the movie Way back into the past.
About ten years ago we talked about what is ham radio? Yeah,
we did, and since we've already done it once and
it struck a chord with me. According to the ARL,
A lot, amateur radio or ham radio as a popular

(09:27):
hobby and service in which licensed amateur radio operators or
hams operate communications equipment. And although amateur radio operators get
involved for a lot of different reasons, you know, we've
all got a lot of things in common, basic knowledge
of radio technology, operating principles. You know, we had to

(09:47):
pass an exam to get a license to operate on
the radio frequencies known as amateur bands. So we've all
got that kind of stuff in common. And you know,
these bands and frequencies are reserved for use by licensed
amateurs like like you and me and a lot of
you watching out there, and by the different governments in

(10:08):
the world, and there are agreements, you know, as to
who can use what frequencies in which areas of the world.
And in the United States it's the Federal Communications Commission
that issues amateur radio license, right, So, uh, why don't
you ask me a question, Tommy? Okay, final they call

(10:30):
it HAM. That is a good question. And you know,
one time I thought it, and I don't know where
I heard. I thought it meant home amateur, But no,
that's not what it means at all. Well what does
it mean? Well you may be surprised. Well I'm already
am I surprise anyway, even if you aren't a ham is.

(10:55):
According to this, he's a poor operator, a plug. And
this came from Grenville Mellon Dodge, the telegraph instructor. You know,
this guy was around back during the time of the
Civil War and apparently he was a telegraph instructor too.
I know, he was big in communications. He coined the
term ham and that was just strictly talking about telegraph operators.

(11:19):
The first wireless operators were landline telegraphers who left that
field and their officers to go to see or demand
coastal stations. Because you know, early radio communications got started
with ship to shore stuff. You know, that was really
probably the most important area that was going to benefit

(11:41):
immediately from radio communications. And of course they had to
use Morse code, and so they took all these telegraph
operators and put them on ships, and they brought with them,
you know, a lot of their language and their traditions
from their older profession. And in those early days, every
state was using spark gap transmitters because we didn't really

(12:04):
have modern electronic circuitry at that time. He was basically,
you just take a bunch of power and you make
it art. Somebody can hear that it's going to disturb everything. Yeah,
just like the insulator out there on the electric pole
and when it acts up. So by using those spark generators,
one guy talking to another guy across town could wipe

(12:27):
out the whole band. I mean, yeah, not just in
their frequency, because there weren't any such thing. It was
just everything right if you had enough power. And so
a lot of the government ships and coastal stations, you know,
they were talking about these amateur guys at home who were,
you know, getting in the radio at the same time,

(12:49):
just taking over completely the airways with their powerful stations.
And so the frustrated commercial operators would refer to the
ham audio interference by calling the amateur operators' hands a
term that had come from telegraph, okay, and you know, amateurs,

(13:10):
probably unfamiliar with the real meaning of the term, just
picked it up and ran with it. Yeah, you know,
it sounds good, it sounds great. I love him. So,
you know, as the years have gone on, the original
meaning has completely disappeared. But that's that's kind of how
it got started. That's interesting to know. I really didn't
know that. I didn't think he did. And he looked
really surprised if you were faking it. Yeah, pretty good acting. Huh,

(13:34):
yeah it was actually I didn't know it. If you're
going to be studying you for your technician exam, you
can watch these episodes and go take the exam. You
can download the question pool off the internet and go
take your exam. But there's a couple of resources that

(13:55):
we recommend for books. One is Gordon West Technician some
class exam book. The A LAREL also has technician books. Well,
actually the A w RL is supposed for Gordo. Now
the A double RL Ham Radio License Manual, and this
is why are bound here. There's a good deal of

(14:16):
information about Ham radio and some of the different topics
that'll be on the exam. So that's another good resource
right there. So it's good to know more and just
the bare minimum. Just to just to answer, did you
say no morse Morris? Morris said no more. Oh, well,

(14:36):
I was going to ask I misunderstood you there. I
thought you wanted to tell us a little more about
Morse code. Yeah I might. Well, let's let's see. It
seems to me like we talked about that one time.
Let me remember back. So I think everybody knows that
Samuel Morse invented Morse Code. Samuel Morse was born in Grasstown, Massachusetts,

(15:01):
on April twenty seventh, seventeen ninety one. He attended Phillips
Academy in Andover, Massachusetts, but eventually went on to attend
Yale College to study a variety of subjects from religious philosophy, mathematics,
and the science of horses. Morse was also a painter
who used that skill to support himself. Morse graduated from
Yale with honors in eighteen twenty five. New York City

(15:22):
hired Morris to paint a portrait of Lafayette. While he
was painting a horse, messenger delivered a letter from his
father saying that his wife was very sick. The next day,
he received his letter from his father telling that his
wife had passed away. Morse immediately left for his home
in New Haven without finishing the portrait of Lafayette. By
the time he made it home, his wife had already

(15:43):
been buried. Heartbroken because he was unaware of his wife's
illness then death, he decided to try and find a
way to send messages long distances quickly. Morse Code was born.
Morse Code's a method of transmitting text information as a
series of on off tones, lights, or cliques that can
be directly understood by a skilled listener or observer without

(16:04):
special equipment. An electrical telegraph was independently developed and patented
in the United States in eighteen thirty seven by Samuel Morse.
His assistant Alfred Vale, developed the Morse Coast Signaling alphabet
with Morse. The first telegram in the United States was
sent by Morris on the eleventh of January eighteen thirty eight,
across two miles of wire at Speedwall Ironworks near Morristown,

(16:28):
New Jersey, although it was only later in eighteen forty
four that he sent the message what hath God wrought
from Capitol Hill in Washington to the old Mountclair Depot
in Baltimore. The Morse Vale telegraph was quickly deployed in
the following two decades. Morse code is the most popular
among amateur radio operators, although it's no longer required for

(16:48):
licensing in most countries. Good communications come a long ways.
The poor man found out by his wife being sick,
and then yeah, she was gone by the time he
got back. You know, the technology back then was pretty primitive.
It didn't take a whole lot to be able to
send Wars code. Just you had to agree on. Here's

(17:11):
what the code means, the dots and gnashes. Why don't
we build something like that? Okay, let's do that. Oh boy,
we just happened to have some parks here, don't Yeah, hey,
actually we don't need some tools. Yeah I found a screwdriver. Yeah.
What about this cover for an expansion card for a computer,

(17:32):
like of a computer? That's probably what they use. Here's
a couple of pieces of wood that they're kind of
stuck together. We're just us them like that, anail shaped. Yeah,
I've got some screen here. How about what about the wire?
That wire I wound up on a nail to keep
it handy. Yeah it's it makes it a good place
to keep your wire, Yeah it does. Yeah. I'm just
gonna kind of stick it in this hole right here

(17:53):
for right now. Yeah, why don't you do that? All right?
So you're sticking the nail in the wood? Yep, putting
the nail in the wood. I've got to have it someplace.
And that's just a bunch of wire just kind of
cold up on nail and the two ends of the
wire hanging free here, right, and we're gonna need the key. Actually, actually,
this is gonna be this. That's gonna be uh, that's

(18:17):
gonna be the noisemaker. So let's go ahead and tighten
that down. And they didn't have electric screwdrivers in those days,
so that's why we're not using one s when we
went primitive with it. It needs to be almost that

(18:37):
might work. Okay, So that's a receiver, right, I'm gonna
be able the transmitter then, all right, all right, So
what I'm gonna do is, uh, I'm gonna take my
piece of wood and one of these covers off the
back plane of a computer here, but I'm gonna just
screw it down to the wood. I've got a piece

(19:00):
of wire here. Is this how my replets got started?
You know? It could be. I'm not sure. They may
have been around before computers. They had to get their
moddle somewhere else. I'm just going to take a screw
and I'm going to stick the wire down in a
hole here. Let me see if you can see that
there's a hole in the wood. I'm just going to

(19:20):
stick to wire down in there, and I'm going to
tighten up a screw over it, and then I'm gonna
take this piece of metal and just threw it there
and leave a little gap in there. This is essentially
a switch, you know, when you push down on it,

(19:42):
it makes contact and the electricity can get on through.
And tell me you've got you've got a wire over
there with nothing on it on your receiver, don't you.
You gotta worry not doing anything anyway? He got one here,
doesn't have anything on it. You want to borrow this one? Yeah,

(20:04):
let me borrow that one. If you would just flip
it under the corner of that medal there. Maybe I
need to loosen up the meddle a little one there
you go. All right, there's not a hold of good snug,
So I figure out what I want to do with
here you go. I'm not I'm not hearing anything over there, No, Bill,

(20:27):
We've got some other wires here. Maybe we all do
something of that. Well. I got just happened to have
this old twelve vault was it seven and a half
half hour? That is that from that's from a game
feeder from back in the seventeen eighties. Yeah, I think
this thing was actually used to make arts on the file.

(20:49):
This an inside joke, but it actually will. Okay, so
you want to put this one on the positive, Yeah,
it doesn't matter where you put it, all right, I'm
gonna get kind of back out of the way. Not
their transmitter around the receiver, you know, this is where
I've got just happened to have one of these clips

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on the end of it here too, So I'm gonna
look it to the other terminal of the battery. And
now before we're going further, let me just say you
probably shouldn't be doing this with a twelve vault seven
and a half Empire hour battery. Yeah, he's probably be
using maybe a six folt lantern battery or something like that,

(21:30):
because this can get hot. Right, But let's see if
I push it down and close the circuit here, let's
see if anything happens over on your side, Tommy, Okay,
hold on, man, my receiver's receiving. I want to send
you a call here. This was actually should have been

(21:51):
sent before the show started today. Yeah, you're you're tryings
making fine. Don't get any don't get any paper near it.
I could use this for an art gap too, because
a start gap. Now with this big battery here, this

(22:13):
metal gets a little warm here. You don't want to
hold down on the no, but you can see it
works there. Pretty Yeah, this this battery's really got too
much current. But this only one we had, so yeah, yeah,
so there you go. There's our homemade telegraph station. We
can use it for a long distance communications though, like
what three across the table? Yeah, and if one of

(22:35):
is really new code, we could send Morse code back
and forth. I sent S O S fall a go,
but probably a pretty poor S O S. I would
have been called a ham. Yeah. So this is they
actually used one wire transmitters. They did one one wire,
one wire telegraph, all right, so they complete the circuit.

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I don't know, but that's what it said, said one wire.
It must have been that the other posts of the
battery must have gone aground. That would have been the
only way I could think of it. A neat little project.
I built one of these when I was a kid,
and I thought it'd be something interested for new hands
to look at. And you know, very simple. You can
make this wire much longer, and oh absolutely a lot longer.

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And when I was kid, I used to be fascinated
by electro magnets, which that's what the whole thing works
off the principle of But I used to make those
all the times, you know. I think I want to
hang on to these parts here because there's probably some
experiments we can do in the future that that we
can use some of this stuff for right here. Yeah,
and if he gets cold in here this winter, you

(23:40):
can just send it. Yeah, hit that key a few times,
and then we'll have to warm up my thing. We've
got you a little heater. Yeah. Okay, So there you go,
a homemade telegraph key and I think you call it
sender and a receiver, but I'm not sure about that.
So maybe somebody will stricken us out on that. Yep.

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We probably should leaving us off the title now and
get on to the next part of the show. In
the early days, what a Ham radio set might have
looked like right here. This one was built by Ralph
Boucher and Toledo, Iowa in the early nineteen hundreds. That
was a kind of lot station, I believe. Oh wow. Yeah,

(24:21):
pretty cryptic stuff back then, and all of it was
was home built, like a lot of it is today. Yeah,
and large, it's pretty big, take a lot of space,
and we actually did do a future project with that, Yeah,
because it doesn't look exactly the same. No, it's called
a modification to it. We'll be looking at that in

(24:42):
the future. Plus, I think we may do another modification
to it. I've got one in mind. I'm just not
sure it'll work. It's sorry to heater that we can
reverse it make it too cooler. It's pretty warm in here.
That's an idea. If you want to become a HAM,
you're going to have to take a test. You probably
need to know a little more about the regulatory situation here.

(25:08):
Who regulates AM radio? Well, that would be the FCC
or the Federal Communications Commission. They regulate interstate and international
communications by radio, television, wire, satellite, and cable in all
fifty states, the District, Columbia, and US territories. An independent
US government agency overseen by Congress, the Commission is the

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United States primary authority for communications law, regulation, and technological innovation.
The SEC's rules and regulations are in Title forty seven
of the Code of Federal Regulations or CFR, which are
published and maintained by the Government Printing Office. Title forty
seven rules and regulations are also available on the web

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and searchable format. It's not just the SEC alone. There's
how much radio all over the world, and there's all
these different governmental agencies regulating it in each country. I
think in Canada it is Industry Canada, is it? I
believe it is. I believe that's interesting. Who regulates it

(26:12):
in Canada. It's a good thing to have. I mean,
I'm glad we have them because otherwise it just be
like the wild West out there. Yeah. Over in the UK,
I'm waiting hopefully Terry will tell us who regulates it
in the UK. And I shouldn't that they just had
a change. I read about that on amagr Logic changed

(26:34):
their license and they got more privileges, more power. Yeah.
I can't remember the name of the organization though, Offcom. Yeah,
that's it, thanks Terry. Yeah. And I don't know is
that Office of Communications maybe? Yeah, I believe it is.
AWRL is the National Association for Amateur Radio in the US,

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founded in nineteen fourteen by Harram Percy maximum as the
American Radio Relay League. The a r r L is
a non commercial organization for radio amateurs. Aar RL's underpinning
as the Amateur Radio's witness partner and forum are defined
by five pillars public service, advocacy, education, technology, and membership.

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A bona fide interest in amateur radio is the only
essential qualification of membership. An amateur radio license is not
a prerequisite, although full voting membership is only granted to
license radio amateurs in the US. They're a necessary thing too,
in my opinion. Without them, they're the ones that keep

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from taking to some of our bands or privileges and
things like that, selling them off. Yeah, they're kind of
our advocate for that any thing. So organizations and always
I remember I was just it for a long time
but kind of saw the light. It's a good thing

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to be part of. YEP. I am too. You know
I mentioned the guy who founded that back in nineteen fourteen. Yeah,
Hiram Percy Maxim. He is an engineer, a scientist, an inventor,
and a hobbyist. He earned patents for his inventions in
automotive design, noise of datement, and other fields. Cool also

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a passionate hobbyist, he left his mark on early aviation
and wireless radio. Maxim's broadly recognized achievements brought fame to Hartford,
where he made his home from eighteen ninety nine and
until his death in nineteen thirty six. And here's something
I didn't know. I bet you didn't know it. I'm
not sure if anyone watching him realize this. As an

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automobile evolved in the early twentieth century, inventors in the
United States looked toward battery driven v as the future
of transportation seems familiar, he said Elon Musk of Yesteryear.
He's not a number of small firms throughout New England
produced these early electric power vehicles. Among them was Albert

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Pope's Columbia Automotive Company of Hartford. Maxim, however, found the
idea of gasoline powered engines intriguing, and in eighteen ninety nine,
the Columbia Automotive Company adopted his pioneering concept AH, which
evolved from an engine driven bicycle to an engine driven

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four wheel vehicle. Maxim's designed would become the Columbia Gasoline Carriage.
The vehicle was one of the first of its kind
manufactured in the world. And I bet you didn't know that.
I did not know that. That's pretty cool, And I'm
glad you didn't know that. The hand was kind of
the anti vehicle because I don't know if edg that

(29:57):
I'm anti electric vehicle, but I just don't think we're
quite ready for that yet. I don't think it's quite
ready for us yet. Yeah, I don't think it's ready
for prime time. Although you know concept, yeah, if you
live where you're not going to be driving very far
and you're not worried about your vehicle bursting into flames,
well that could happen with gasoline too, But you know,

(30:19):
there's some it's just not ready for us down here. Yeah,
But the emissions thing is I think that's really the
only huge benefit of it because it's not costing you
less because if you're not buying, you're not paying for gas,
you're paying for batteries and electric charge it stuff like that,
and it's not that much cheaper, so you I think

(30:39):
in the long run they end up costs more. But yep,
moving right along, Moving right along. You know, Maxim introduced
the gasoline engine. Those early vehicles were really noisy. He
invented the muffler, no way, yeah he did, and he

(31:00):
also invented a number of other noise abatement solutions for
different types of things. The aviation aspect, I didn't even
look into that. But man, that guy had some hobbies. Yeah,
sound like a pretty busy fellow he was. I've drilled
holes in the back of some of his inventions before
when I was a young guy, so I did on

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my motorcycle. Yeah. I don't think he invented a glass pack,
but I'm not sure on that one. Where are we
going from here, Well, we've talked about the SEC, We've
talked about the a r L. There's another organization you

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might want to know about because they're the ones who
are going to give you the exam. The NCVC the
National Conference of Volunteer Examiner Coordinators. It's a not for
profit voluntary association with membership comprised of various Federal Communications
Commission certified Volunteer Examiner Coordinators or vcs. The NCVEC is

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a private organization functions to facilitate the intercommunications between the
FCC and each VIC. Each active VEC is invited to
join the NCVEC and actively participate. The NCVEC holds an
annual conference, usually near the end of July. NCVC is

(32:27):
governed by a body of elected officers consisting of a chairman,
Vice chairman, Secretary, and a Treasurer and that was quite
a mouthful. Yeah, why you were saying that I hung
this piece of paper on my shirt here. Yeah, I
think you've got one too. I do have one. Mine's expired.
I didn't realize it expired a few months ago. Yeah,

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I've actually emailed about redoing mine while I was sitting
here tonight. Yeah, mine's good for another John, What is that?
Two years and three months? I think. Yeah. I thought
I had a reminder of my phone to remind me
about that, but apparently I didn't. This is my extra
Class Accredited Volunteer and Examiner badge. We are accredited vees.

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We work with the VEC and now we don't add
up the testing in this area. We're just volunteers and
occasionally we will go participate in some exam sessions. I
didn't do it this year, but usually I participate in
the one at the local Hamfast. We do things like

(33:40):
hand out the exam sheets or hand out pencils, grade
the exams, whatever they need us to do. And there's
a number of different organizations besides just the AWRL that's
who we're accredited with. These expire after ten years of
different organizations. Are actually veec's out there more than just

(34:05):
a double r L. There's a good many of them.
Had quite a few Anchorage, Central Alabama. I never knew.
Go to the Empire Amateur Radio Society Greater LA Jefferson
Amateur Radio Club. There's a good many of them there.
W five y I ve ecs another big one. So

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if you want to take your exam, go to the
a r r L dot org website. There you can
actually find listings of when exams are going to be
given in what Areas's actually some online stuff you can
do now these too. Thanks to the pandemic, we just
went through. One good thing that came out of it,

(34:48):
and probably the only that came out of is now
they can give the exams online, so you can if
you can't find someone giving the examine your area, you
can find an online examiner who will give you the tests,
particularly if you're an extra class or a general class.

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Why don't you get you one of these and help
out make some new hands. It doesn't cost you anything.
You don't have to take an exam. Basically, you just
go online answer some questions. But it's super easy. Oh yeah, right, yeah,
you can't miss it. You can't like not pass it, right, so, uh,

(35:37):
you know, somebody did it for you, and that's all
I got to say about that, right now? Well, I
say that is however, it could come up in some
of these questions. What do you say? We go over
a few of these questions. Now, First, this is broken
up into two different sections, and one we're going to
talk about tonight is the purpose and permissible use of

(36:03):
Amateur Radio Service operator slash primary station license grants, meaning
of basic terms used in SCC rules, interference, races, rules, phonetics,
and frequency coordination. Let's a good a bit of stuff.
So the first question, why don't you ask me? Okay,

(36:29):
I think I will. How about this one? Which of
the following is part of the basis and purpose of
the Amateur Radio Service? A Providing personal radio communications for
as many citizens as possible. B providing communications for international
nonprofit organizations for C advancing skills in the technical and

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communications phases of the radio art are D All of
these choices are correct. Which of the following is part
of the basis and purpose of amateur Radio Service? Let's
see providing personal radio communications for as many citizens as possible. No,

(37:12):
it is not A, so it can't be D. So
let's look at B providing communications for international nonprofit organizations.
Now see advancing skills in the technical and communication phases

(37:34):
of the radio art. That's my answer right there. I'm
going to see it. See what do you think? Yeah,
I think so. I like that the radio art. Yeah,
go with that. Okay, we have little radio art right
here behind us. As a matter of do ye chat room, Well,

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they're saying, C. That makes sense. It is our it's
a beautiful thing. It is cool. Which agency I think
you may know the answer to this. I think we
may have read this one. Which agency regulates and enforces

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the rules for the amateur radio service in the United States?
A FEMA, B, Homeland Security, C, the FCC or D
all these choices are correct. Well, since I just read
that blurb and I just so happened to kind of
know this one, I know it's not FEMA, that's federal

(38:38):
or where you see management Association, I think agency agency
some similar thing. It's not online security and it's not.
All of these are correct. It's the FCC or the
Federal Communications Commission C. You just knocked it right on,
And that's my final answer. That's what everyone in the
chat room saying fest from all of you. Since most

(39:02):
of those guys have call signs on their names, I'm
pretty sure they do. They should know this stuff. They
do so far. Yep. Another question. What does the SEC
rules state regarding the use of a phonetic alphabet for
station identification in the Amateur Radio Service? A it's required

(39:26):
when transmitting emergency messages. B it is encouraged. C it
is required when in contact with foreign stations, or D.
All these choices are correct. What do the SEC roads
state regarding the use of phonetic alphabet for station identification
Amateur Radio Service? It's not required when transmitting emergency messages.

(39:57):
C it's required when in contact with foreign stations. Now,
so it's not D so B it's encouraged, and that
wouldn't think I wouldn't have That's not where I would
have gone. But that's the only one that makes sense. Yeah,

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I mean, it makes sense, and it's it's a good
idea to do it because well, I'm sure we'll get
into the phonetic stuff at the later date. But yeah,
Schadroom's a little next on this. So let's see encouraged,
it's encouraged. What do you say would take a quick break,
Come back and we'll go over some more of these. Okay,

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(43:37):
why don't you give away a shirt? Okay, actually, I
got a great shirt here. Who's gonna give it to? Well,
I think the way we will give it away is
we'll do a drawing. Well, this is what you're gonna
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(43:59):
to the handfest. Well, looks just good leaving the ham
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All you got to do is send an email to
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(44:23):
anything but a name and an email address so that
you can send an email Ham College at amateurlogic dot
tv if you'd like to put a little message in
there to us. We always appreciate those. And usually people
are sending if they send anything at all, they're sending
one liners. And as a matter of fact, right before
the show tonight did a random drawing of the entries

(44:45):
we received and we got a winner right here, and
he actually had a message. Yea. They said, Hi, guys,
please enter me for a chance to win a free
T shirt. Thanks Mike, Ny won you cool congratulations Mike.
And I noticed on the from line in the email

(45:08):
here it said Mike Dipoles. Mike what Mike Dipoles? Oh oh,
but it's really Mike Grimaldi. Cool congratulations Mike Jesse for
Mike com. Will be getting in touch with you soon
to get your information to send it to you. Now,

(45:30):
what happens next with the email? Q George? The emails,
they they all have been deleted whenever we draw a winner.
We clear out the pole. There's none left. We don't
keep them. We don't keep them, so people have to
re enter every month and doesn't cost you anything. It's
an email. You don't even have to put a stamp
on it. That's the best kind of mail, yep, free,

(45:54):
So send us one hand college at amateurlogic dot tv.
Maybe you'll be the best dress ham at the next
samfest or on the way out or on the way
to take your exam. How many operators slash primary station
license grants may be held by any one person A one,

(46:18):
B no more than two, C one for each band
on which the person plans to operate, or D one
for each permanent station location from which the person plans
to operate. Well, you don't get one for each permanent station,
A separate one does not D one for each band.

(46:42):
You don't have a different license for each band. B
no more than two for as I know, you can
only have one, so it's got to be a one. However,
there are two licenses with my name on it. Yeah,

(47:04):
oh well, let's not a primary station license there now
I'm W FIVETYX. But you can get a club license
if you've got a club and we do. It's a
Southern Amateur Radio Letters Club, W five Alpha x Ray
Charlie AXC. And we'll be using that call next weekend

(47:30):
on field Day. So look for us on the air
W five AXC. Yeah, we'll be the loud ones you
hear on all the bands. We'll be the tiny little
voice you hear coming up under all the big stations,
trying to make a few contacts. So if you hear us,
give us these. We're gonna try to increase our our

(47:56):
number of points this year, trying something new, trying something
you and we'll be talking about that after the event.
Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. What proves that the
SEC has issued an operator slash primary license grant A
the brinted copy of the certificate, A successful completion of examination,

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B an email notification from the n c e C
graining the license. C. The license appears in the SEC
u l S database or D. All these choices are correct.
What proves that the SEC has issued me a license? C?
The license appears in the SEC Universal Licensing System Database.

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When you when you take your tests and you pass.
As soon as your license appears in that SEC database,
you can get on the air and use it. Yep,
it's you don't actually get it mailed to you anymore
so at that time too. Yeah, but once you get that,
you'll get your call signing. We're all about technicians. If

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you don't have a call sign before this, so you'll
be issued one then, Unlike it was back in nineteen
ninety one when I got a license, I went and
took my exam and it was a month I had
to wait before the license finally showed up in the
mail and I could get on the air. Yeah, it

(49:27):
used to take some time. I think I just understanding that.
It's pretty quick nowadays. Yeah, it's I think all the
all the VECs send it in electronic. Now I'm pretty
sure usually, I mean, you might get it the next day,
it might be two or three days. Yeah, but it

(49:47):
shouldn't be a month. It won't be a month. Shouldn't
even be weeks. Really, No, I don't think it'll be
weeks unless they had a problem, you know, the folks
giving the exam for one reason or another, didn't get
everything submitted before that. So now I got one for you. Okay,
hit me. Now, what is the SEC Part ninety seven definition?

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Of a beacon. A A government transmitter marking the amateur
radio band edges. B A built and sent by the
FCC to announce the national emergency see a continuous transmission
of weather information authorized in the amateur bands by the
National Weather Service. Or D an amateur station transmitting communications

(50:35):
for the purpose of observing propagation or related experimental activities.
What is the SCC Part ninety seven definition of a beacon?
It's not a government things marking the band as you know,
that's sell published. You should know who you bands are.

(50:55):
Is that you can get actually download a band chart,
be A built and sent by if she's see it's
not a bulletin seniors transmission of weather information information of
the rest amateur bands, Nope, D an amateur station transmitting
communications for the purpose of observing, propagation or related experimental activities.

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Peter actually did a nice segment a while, a long
time ago when amateur logical about the amateur radio beacons.
I think that was Peter, I was Jimmy, I was
I think it was Jimmy. Okay, anyway, it's I'm going
with d. I'm going to agree with you. Marty agrees
with you, and it is. He said he was thinking

(51:41):
I had premonition. Yeah, that's a pretty good deal, Marty.
The bacon is just a station that's sitting there, just
transmits its call sign ever so often, and maybe it's
location and that's it. It doesn't listen for anybody to respond.
It's just a way to check propagation. Let's say there's

(52:05):
a beacon in California, maybe twenty meters. I can listen
on my radio, and let's say I turn on right now.
I don't hear anything on the frequency of that beacon zone.
But if I turn it on during the day tomorrow,
I might hear that beacon, and then I'll know that
the propagation is open to there. So that would be

(52:27):
a good reason. Yeah, right, I have a beacon. Yep.
All right, here we go. I'm gonna hit you with
a hard one here. Don't space out on me. What's
the SCC Part ninety seven definition of a space station
AY any satellite orbiteen Earth B A manned satellite orbiteen
Earth SEE an amateur station located more than fifty kilometers

(52:52):
above Earth's surface. D an amateur station using amateur radio
satellites for relay of signal what ince the SEC Part
ninety seven definition of a space station. A any satellite
orbiting the Earth. D an amateur station using the amateur

(53:18):
radio satellites for relay of signals. Now, because that could
indicate any amateur station you know on the ground here
relaying satellite signals. C an amateur station located more than
fifty kilometers above Earth's surface. That's a possibility. Be a

(53:42):
manned satellite orbiting Earth. Now, because we have satellites, are
things that would be considered a space station that don't
have anybody on the paramature radio persons. I want to
say it's C. Yeah, I think you're right. Uh, Marty

(54:04):
says it's D. Let's see it is. You know you
would think almost that when they get started putting numbers
in there like that, that's not a good answer. But
I'm gonna say all the other answers were not the

(54:26):
right answer. So this was all that was left. That's good.
Good deduction. The fifty kilometers. That's not just the thing
that would come to top of mind for me, but
that is the answer for it. Oh we're going to kilometers?
Is that like thirty miles? Man? I'm not Canadian, I

(54:49):
can't answer that, what's it in? Kelvin A good question.
Mike's not in there to tell us. Which are the
follow going entities recommends transmit receive channels and other parameters
for auxiliary and repeater stations. A frequency spectrum manager appointed

(55:11):
by the FCC B volunteer frequency coordinator recognized by local
amateurs see SEC Regional Field Office, where the International Telecommunication Union,
Which of the following entities recommends transmit received channels and

(55:32):
other parameters for auxiliary and repeater stations? Frequency spectrum manager.
I don't even know what the frequency spectrum manager is,
so I'm thinking that's not it B volunteer frequency coordinator.
I think, and that's the answer. But let's look at
the other ones CFCC Regional Field Office. They don't do it.

(55:56):
They just they don't want you to violate what's recommended,
But they don't do that. The International Communications two Communication
you know, I'm going with B volunteer frequency coordinator recognized
by local amateurs. I'm going to agree with you it's B.

(56:18):
Marty's agreeing it's B, and it is. And here in
Mississippi and several other states in the South, here it's
Sarah scra Southeast Repeater Association. Yep. They're the ones who
coordinate pretencis forire repeaters and auxiliary stations around here, different

(56:42):
parts of the country. It's different. Those guys are volunteers.
They are they're not appointed by the SEC. But it's
an agreement that all the hams agree in this area
that these people are going to coordinate our frequencies that way.
It's not everybody for himself just jumping on a frequency

(57:04):
and right and ticking repeaters on it. And it's just
a very necessary thing too. Yeah, because you don't you
don't want that interference. No people kind of stepping on
one another with it. They do a good job. We
actually know one of the guys, this is one of
the ones here. We actually have a repeater coordinated with them.
And you know, we'll we'll say we'd like to use

(57:28):
this frequency. They'll research it and say, no, there's somebody
that's X number of miles away and y'all would interfere
with each other. Maybe you go to this frequency, Well,
they'll help you figure it out. Who selects a frequency coordinator? Hey,
the SEC Office of Spectrum Management and Coordination Policy B

(57:52):
the local chapter of the Office of National Council of
Independent Frequency Coordinators see amateur opera in a local or
regional area whose stations are eligible to be repeater or
auxiliary stations r D the SEC Regional Field Office. Well,
I think I just answered this one before the question

(58:14):
came up. Yeah, I think you did. It's not the SEC.
You gonna go with D. I'm gonna no, it's not
A or D because it's not the SEC. You know,
they kind of want us to be self regulating. And

(58:35):
I was gonna say something ugly, but their government organization,
you know, they don't want to do any more than
they've got to do because they got other stuff going
on besides amateur radio. They kind of want us to
take care of ourselves as much as possible, be self
policing the local chapter of the Office of National Council

(58:55):
of Independent Frequency Coordinators. I don't think there's such things.
It's the amateur operators in local regional areas whose stations
are eligible to be a repeater or auxiliary stations. Marty says,
it's CE. So yeah, if you think about that's interesting,
that's good. I mean, the people that got repeaters, you

(59:16):
won't them to pick somebody that they trust. To do
a good job. Yeah, or the people who are eligible
to have repeaters or auxiliary stations. You know, what is
the radio amateur Civil Emergency Service? RACES? A radio service
using amateur frequencies for emergency management or civil defense communications.

(59:42):
B A radio service use and amateur stations for emergency
management or civil defense communications CE A emergency service, US
and amateur operators certified by a civil defense organization as
being enrolled in that organization or D. All these choices
are correct, I'm gonna have to read this again because

(01:00:04):
you got it. Yeah, I'm not too sure about this.
I'm gonna have to think about this one. What is
the radio amateur Civil Emergency Service races? The service the
radio service using amateur frequencies P emergency management or civil
defense communication. I think it's B. I'm not one hundred

(01:00:26):
percent sure on this one. To be honest with you,
I wanted to say D, but I don't think that's
quite right. Well, I think as well, let's see it
is D, Marty. I should have took your answer. No, Marty,

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Marty said say this. He was getting ready for this one. Tom.
Tom said he thought it was D. Now he's sticking
with it. Good choice. Tom I was gonna say C. Yeah, yeah,
well that's right. Well yeah, but it's not the only

(01:01:07):
thing that's right. Yeah, well, Marty, I would have been
right there with you. I would have I would have
said C on that. Fortunately Tommy took the buzzer for us.
You're welcome. Ye. When is will for interference to other
amateur radio stations permitted? A to stop another amateur station

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that is breaking the SEC rules, that's just what you want,
B at no time? C. When making short test transmissions
r D at any time, sessions in the Amateur Radio
Service are not protected from wilful interference. When is wilful

(01:01:53):
interference to other amateur radio stations permitted? The any time?
Stations and the Amateur Radio Service are not protected from
willful interference. No, that's that's right. Well we're not protected

(01:02:13):
from it. But that don't make it do that doesn't
make it right. See when making short test transmissions now, ay,
to stop another amateur station that is breaking the SEC rules,

(01:02:34):
that's just what we need, is band police. Yeah, that's
not it. Nope, it's B at no time. We're never
allowed to wilfully interfere with other amateur radio stations. That's
my answer. No, it doesn't happen very often. I don't

(01:02:56):
know that. I actually I don't know that I've heard it
except on maybe one frequency that Oh I've heard that. You. Yeah,
if you tune around enough, you'll we're it on fourteen
three one three before. Yeah, you can hear it on well,
you can hear a lot of places. I've heard it
on repeaters. Yeah, it's not that common. It's pretty common one. Yeah,

(01:03:21):
it can be common on HF. It's it's not really
common at all on VHF or UHF around here, but
in some larger cities it could be. But it's wrong,
and that's it. That's all the questions in that. Yes,
I was just kind of getting warmed up. Well, only
got one buzzard tonight. That's okay. We can pull down

(01:03:44):
the Morse code key there and you can form too
hot to use that thing tonight. We need to wait
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(01:04:05):
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(01:04:28):
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(01:04:54):
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(01:05:14):
tell me how the bulletin for us here a special information, Yeah,
special notice. This is actually about the logic net. You know,
we did the sound check net for quite a while
and we kind of took a little break from that.
In tom w A two iv D was kind enough

(01:05:35):
to pick up the net and kind of ran with
it and did the logic Net, but you have a
little trouble manning it and stuff. Let me read the
note he sent out about it, says, hello everyone, apologize
for May net no show. Had to unexpected work schedule
change while out of town, wasn't able to coordinate the
backup plan, which that happens especially over the summer months.

(01:05:58):
Logic Net's going to take a pause for the summer.
Summer's always busy with traveling outdoor activities. This will give
everyone a break for a few months. There'll be no
logic nets in June, July, or August, and that'll start
back on Tuesday, September twenty fourth at eight pm Central Time.
It's zero one hundred UTC on September twenty fifth. Look

(01:06:19):
forward to hearing from all of you. Then, have a
great summer. Thank you for supporting the net seventy three
times WA two IVD. We'll be back at the end
of next month. So that is going to be probably
around July the twenty sixth, probably, yeah, it should be.
Should be the next Amateur Logic which is our main show.

(01:06:46):
I'll say our main show, our flag, our first show,
our first show. That will be on June the twenty eighth,
two weeks from tonight, two weeks from to night, and
we'll have a wrap up of our fil day coverage
and whatever everybody did and what worked and what didn't
work that should have and what we won't try next year. Yeah,

(01:07:09):
well we're going to try for shooting for your points
this year, so we'll see how that pans out. Yep,
we appreciate everyone being here. Tell all your friends, people
that you work with that you think might want to
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where all the cool kids hang out. That is man

(01:07:31):
a few nerds too. To me, that's the cool kids.
Well yeah, it's the most fun since the circus went bust.
There you go, Tom, there you go. That's that ought
to bring them right in all right, sing through everybody
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(01:07:51):
you