Random Intelligence

Communications and Electronics Museum.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, Mike, what are things like up there? Has the
moose come out yet?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I haven't seen the moose, but it is definitely getting colder.
It's getting down to below freezing at night. So you know,
if I'm wearing flannel, yes, long sleeves.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
That's official Canadian uniform, right.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yes, flannel is the tuxedo of Canadians. Any Canadian tuxedo,
I should say flannel shirt and blue jeans Canadian tuxedo.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Okay, I like your background there tonight. That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Did everybody get the memo?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I brought I brought mine.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I got my own mine.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Still the case, Well, you've got the deluxe model with
the leather case. Now, if you look on the meter
movement just below the two sixty, they'll say what the
series is? Min's the Series three.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Mine's a seven M seven mirror right right to sixty
Series six six.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Okay, Now I was on the If you go to
Simpson two sixty dot com, you can download manuals for
all the various series in this particular one, the Series three.
I found out it's from nineteen fifty eight ish.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
So yeah, they started with the Series two after the
original model. As I was reading some of the history
on that website, and it's kind of interesting they I
think they went up to what is it, series seven
for the model to sixty and now, of course they've

(02:09):
they got fancier models since then, but but yeah, just
check it out Simpson two sixty dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, and you know it is sacrileged put deer cell
batteries in these Yeah, oh no, you don't want to
do that email. Are you going to show us your Simpson? Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
You know, George, y'all know I'm the cheap old man.
And the one thing I love about those Simpson meters
is the shiny, nice little thing where you could see
the parallax and the meter motion in there. And my
my version of that if you if you really pay attention,
when you stick it in the probes into the outlet
to read the voltage, you can kind of see it

(02:55):
right here. Your reflection of the meter moving the hair,
you know, the whor it stands up, the uh, the
meter movement is pretty good the action. So yeah, I
got my Simpson, George.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Higher the hair stands up, the more voltage, right.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Does it work better in a thunder storm?

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah? Yeah, And if you're standing in the water yep.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, so don't try that people interestingly enough, my I
see yours doesn't or does it? Does? Yours have the
the mirror? Okay? For for parallax air, ye do?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Is yours mine?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah that not a lot of them do. And people
don't know what that's for. Really. I mean, well, if
you're old like us, you do. But yeah, yeah, you
don't see a lot of them. I don't guess with
with mirror.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
I just crossed my eyes. You could see the reflection
right here in the in the hair.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, you know you brought that thing on before the
show and I had to try that out for myself
and it really footed my T shirt.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's what happened.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah. Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I don't know if you put Because the voltage on
an alkali battery is slightly different than a carbon zinc battery.
I wonder if that changes the uh, the measurements you're
making from the meter, if it needs to be recalibrated
with with alkali batteries entered or not?

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Good question. Show us your probe, fuck, I'll show it.
You've got banana plugs, regular male banana plugs. This one
has females. What does yours have, Mike.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Well, I don't have. I don't have the probe set
for mine, but mine looks like it's just got banana
jacks on the front panel.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah. Well, for some reason, this one had females on it.
And if you remember, for a few months back, somebody
wrote us about these right here, I had to order
a set Arizon. Yeah, it's uh female on both ends,
so you can plug that in there and you can
use regular probes with it. Interesting, the metal says four

(05:16):
pron connector it does.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, special yes, very specialized.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Uh highly and stainless seal too. Yeah, it's not going
to tarnish in dishwasher. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
The silvery is good conduction, you know really. Uh even
has a thing where you could put it on your
tongue so you don't swallow your in.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Case your hands are busy. Yeah. Okay, well enough of that.
I got an email here. This came from Kenny W
two k r T Hi George and package arrived today.
Thank you at amateurlogic dot tv for hosting the awesome event.

(06:01):
You may remember that Kenny W two k r T
one the Amateurlogic nineteenth Anniversary Contest. The package arrived. The
eagle has landed. We got the IC seven two, the
Intelltron antenna, power supply, and Messi and Poloni coax. He's

(06:22):
in good shape. So thank you Gragulations again. Yeah, congratulations.
Thanks for sending a note alone and be interesting here.
We wanted to test that antenna out ourselves, but just
I had to ship it, you know, we getting it away,
so we didn't didn't get a chance to. But that price, man,

(06:42):
is pretty tempting.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, I'd be interested as well to find out how
well it works, because the the the original I guess
Outbacker that it's based on. I don't even know if
they made those anymore.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
I want to say I did see them, but I
don't know that they're sold in the US, and they're
very very expensive. Email. Did you have a Facebook post
reigning you want to share with us tonight?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
You know, George, I did. It's a Facebook post from
one of the show's long term, longtime friends, Jerry Boyd
w R five G. This is back in actually late October,
and he was talking about switching over to a different
company for Internet access in his location in Texas. I
think he was asking people how deep providers bury in

(07:38):
the fiber property, you know, up to the lead coming
from the source to the house. And I know he
was kind of worried because he saw they only really
buried about two inches deep. And George, I saw you
actually replied to that saying that they did some flex
kind of it or flex tube that goes about six
inches deep. And I think I'm in the same boat

(08:01):
as you there from the pole buried under coming up
to a box that that's on the house on the side.
And you know, I guess now that I'm in the country,
there's a lot of people with back hoos around here. Yeah,
and attachments that could definitely do some damage. So he
was really worried about that, and there was a lot
of feedback. There's probably a lot of different contractors doing

(08:24):
different things. I guess you just got to know where
not to dig. Yeah, and hopefully it goes a little
bit deeper, but you know, it varies greatly. But I
noticed he said he's got two gigs up, two gigs down.
That's pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, we can get that tier. It's not quote extra
fifteen dollars a month, So I really pressed it. But
I mean, you can't use one gig. Yeah, nothing, nothing
will fill it up. Now. I was guessing they buried
mine six inches. I didn't actually go out and dig

(09:03):
it up and try to measure it. You think it's
a foot. I know mine is because I went up
there and looked at it. One mine could be that deep.
I don't know. But forrest the flex conduit, Emil, No,
that's only right here at the shack. It comes from
the box on the wall. It goes down into the

(09:24):
ground about six inches and flex condo it from there.
It's just just fiber. The flex doesn't run all the
way out to the.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Street, okay, le or something that got on the ground
hopefully hopefully.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah. If not, they'll be replacing it. Yep. Tommy, you've
been getting excited about an event that you that you're
going to create yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I've been threatening to
do the Parks on the air thing. Yeah. So if
that works, so well, let's watch it. Get some comments

(09:59):
at the well. I think I'm gonna finally break down
and do it. I'm gonna try my hand at Parks
on the air. So I've gotten set up on the website.
Go to parksondair dot com. If you don't already have
an account there, create one.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
First.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Let's go to maps of entities parks on the air
map use their current location and you can see all
the parks that are around you. Or you can go
to other areas and look, this one is actually really
close to my house. You've seen this park on the
show before. Georgia and I have gone out there. I've
went out there with the Jack Standwichur Radio Club field

(10:32):
day before. It's a pretty nice little park around here.
I'll probably do that one once I get my technique
down and make sure my gear is okay and everything's
working well. Then I might venture out for a little
bit farther, but try a close one first. So let's
go ahead and sign in. When you log in, it's

(10:53):
gonna take us to this active spots page. It's gonna
show you all the ones that are active right now.
You refreshed is every minute or two also, so this
one's gonna show you that W seven PCT is activated
in the park in Columbia River Gorge National Forests. Actually,
and there's an identify for US zero seven three one

(11:16):
in Oregon. He's on eighteen zero eight four last heard
five seconds ago, least heard five seconds ago, eight seconds ago,
and these these are this one was in Washington, Oregon, Kentucky.
To work it, you can either need to be an
activator or a hunter. So I'm gonna try my hand

(11:37):
at being an activator. Although I was a hunter one time,
I didn't even don't even remember it. So if I
go over here to my callsign, click down to hunter log,
you can see that I made a contact with this
guy KD four DQP on single sideband in South Carolina
at that park on April thirteenth of twenty twenty one,

(12:02):
so three years ago and three and a half years ago.
Almost either can be a hunter or an activator. So
how do you activate? So we can go in here
and do an added activation if you want to set
it up ahead of time, and you don't have to
do that, but you certainly can. Or you can go
in and you can spot yourself, which is probably what

(12:24):
I'll do, and I'll go in activate myself my call sign.
I'm spotted by myself, and I'll put my frequency maybe
I don't know, seventy two fifty whatever, and my park
will be there and I'm gonna be on single sideband.
There's some hints down here too. If you're not sure

(12:45):
what to do, so you can mention your mode and
the comments. You can put a switching to FT eight
or whatever you want to notify people that you're going
to change modes and so forth. So I'll do that
and spot and then when I do that, it's going
to show up on this Pagereo, we were on with
my call sign that I spotted myself frequency that I'm

(13:05):
on in the mode that I'm working on, and that
lets people know that I'm out there ready to get
make some qusos. All the responsibility is on the activator,
so if you at least this is the way I
understand it, So be sure you take some log your
software or a pencil and paper, which is probably what I'm
gonna do, and be sure to log everything. So you

(13:25):
want to do, you wanna log the call sign, the time,
the frequency, everything, just kind of like you were doing
field day. Most time he gives hear him giving them
signal reports. And you can also do a park to
park if typically park the parks are kind of giving
a little preference. So if you hear a bunch of

(13:48):
people on a pile up for you and you and
you hear a park to park you most time people
kind of stop and take those. You don't have to,
but it's kind of courtesy to do that, at least
that's from my understanding. The Hunters, you give the parks
that the guys at the park the contacts, and the

(14:08):
guys at park does all the work. So how do
we log it? You can use any of the log
and software that supports parks on the air. I think
the one that George and I use for field Day,
I'm pretty sure it does. There's some others you guys
probably know more about than I do, but I'm gonna
use paper and pencil. So you can go through here

(14:29):
and upload your logs. Just anyone that will export it
in that adif format will work, upload them here, and
then your people show your contacts with you will show
up on their Hunter log like you saw mine earlier.
Probably missing big parts of this because I haven't actually
done it yet, so bear with me. We're gonna go

(14:52):
out in the next few weeks and try it, and
I'm probably gonna either. I know, I'll learn as i'm going,
so we gotta get started somewhere, right, Okay, Well, let's
go take my gear out and I want to go
over it. I got an antenna from MFJ that I
wanted to try out. I haven't actually set it up yet,

(15:14):
so that's what I'm thinking about using, because I want
my kit to be kind of compact when I travel
and go places where my family, I'd like to be
able to take it and not take a lot of
extra room in the car. Today, I'm gonna go through
my kit, test it all out here in my backyard
park and make sure everything is working and the antenna's
working like a like I wanted to, or like I

(15:34):
think it should. Anyway, it's the MFJA eighteen ninety eight,
I believe was the part number of it. I got
it from MFJ right before they announced that Martin was
gonna retire. They were gonna close the doors. But there's
still some of these Lafe Ofgere interested in one of them.
I've looked on their website and saw it. I cut
a couple of counterpoise wires, one for twenty meters, one

(15:57):
for forty meters, so I'm hooked that up and as
far as my antenna, I've got a bracket I'm gonna
mount to this uh ground rod short ground rod that
i'm'a drive it to the ground here and see I've
also got a tripod, but I'm trying to keep it
the uh bulk small when I take with me uh Unfortunately,

(16:17):
I have to carry a hammer and a pair of
ice scripts probably to pull it out of the ground.
But that's okay. So let's take a look at my
kit and see what I got here. I'm gonna set up,
gonna use my ICI. I see seven o five you've
seen many times on the show my favorite radio, and
I've got some coax here, a little short piece of coax.

(16:38):
I'm gonna run to my antenna. I've got my bag
of wires and connectors. I've got my r kits and
SBR analyzers. That's the antenna. Got a little rubber duck
I keep in here case i wanna get on the
Star or something. And I've got my AH seven oh

(17:01):
five tuner. I'm gonna be using my MEATI battery my
eight ampire when you've seen on here numerous times. I've
got my blue tooth headset, which I I won't full
with that today, but I will use it later when
we actually really go to the park. Hopefully that'll be
next month. I've got the intenna mounted on here. I've

(17:22):
got the rod drove into the ground about a foot
foot and a half enough for it's kind of sturdy.
I don't wanna have a hard time pulling it out,
so not here. So anyway, i'm'na go ahead and extend
the whip. I think it's about a hundred and three
inches long, if I'm not mistaken. M maybe have to

(17:43):
measure it sometime and see. But the way it works
is there's a nut down here loosened, and then you
can raise up the intended to change the tap on
here that you can hear. There's a coil in there,
and there's a little tap that's rubbing across the clicking.
Now there was there wasn't a manual in the pack
of mine. I don't know if there's one that comes

(18:03):
with the other ones, but i'm'a to figure out where
to put it, so I'm gonna that's one reason why
we're setting it up today instead of doing this out
at the park. So I'm go'na go ahead and just
put it somewhere around six maybe I don't know. Tighten
that up a little so it don't slide, and let
me get the Koax hooked up in the tuner and
again I'll be right back. I'm not sure how this

(18:26):
is gonna show on here, but you can hopefully you
can see that this SAVR is way off. I've got
it set for seven seven dot four seven dot two
in the uh forty meter band. It's way off. So
I'm gonna try changing this coil. It should probably be longer,

(18:51):
so let's pull it up. Oh look at that. You
can see it in real time that it changes. So
what i'm'a do is get it close and then i'm'a
mark that down and uh, actually I'm just gonna be
on the video and i'm'a mark it down later. Yeah,
one click down from thirteen is it's about as good

(19:12):
as I'm gonna get it. That's a as if you
are a one point three. That's no tune or anything.
So now let's let's change the fourteen maga hurts. Like
I said, I'll do uh fourteen dot two again. So ah,
let's bring it down again. Hopefully you can see that.
If not, I'll just try to have to get some
pictures of it, put it in the video. This antenna

(19:34):
is supposed to work with Uh, I believe it's UH
forty through six meters. M yeah, seven seven through thirty
and fifty mega hurts. Get about a one point six
that's for UH twenty meters. Let's let's go over here
and turn on the rig and let's see what we
can hear. We'll run it through the tuner.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
UH.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
I had to get up my universal socket set to
tighten up the UH bracket over there. So anyway, catiallection
piece of gear I need to remember to take with me.
Turn on the rig I've got So this is our
set up so far. This is pretty much everything I'm
gonna need to take with me. I've got the seven
o five. We've got my cell phone with UH parks

(20:17):
on the air website on. I'll show you that in
a bit. I've got my tuner hoofs set up. My
little rubber duck there at the stays in my bag.
I probably won't use it. My antenna analyzer. You just
saw my battery and it's all hooked up over here.
I've got my speaker mic. Okay, so let's go over
to twenty meters fourteen ter herts. Helps we turned the

(20:42):
audio up. I'm gone, lo's UH for fun. Let's see
if we can find somebody. Don't parks on the air. Okay,

(21:03):
it's to Parks on the Air website Parks on the
Air dot com. You'll the link will be in the
show notes. So it's on the bottom of the screen.
So let's uh log in and I'm already logged in
with my account. So see what we can find in
twenty meters. Here's one always on cw FT four. So

(21:28):
this one's fourteen two fifty seven. So let's see what
we can find O one fourteen two fifty seven, gotcha? Okay,

(21:50):
see where else it's on here, here's one fourteen two
ninety six North Carolina.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
I think just for remember who us eight Friday.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
There is boy?

Speaker 4 (22:06):
What was this boy?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Fret book or eight Friday.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
The eight forty eight CD eight routel of four or
Friday seven three dust and read about the park talk
to part uh noerd park Park Art Park is.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
E Loo nine Romeo Victor Alpha L nine Romeo Victor
Alpha I and it's twa park. First park US zero
five seven two is zero five seven two.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Second part us we'll.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Do uh, let's see if we try to get this
guy which the.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Zero white White three remember four nine jiliar thanks you play.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Four drash off Bangs of four years November five zero,
November Oscary, November.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Zero, Duma Bat Hotel Park to Park nine Park and Park.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, well I'll give up for tonight. It's getting dark
out here. The camera's not gonna be working too well
here in a few minutes. Let's pack all this stuff
up and we'll try it out at the park next
week or two. Looks like you're set up for some
PoTA action. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I did
try more than just the one time you saw me
do it there. I put a lot of that out
for the video because it's getting too long. But the

(23:21):
parks on the air thing works out. I'm gonna try
to go down and see your meal down there and
see do the swota. I've tried backyards on the air Byoda,
and then who knows, I might do something different, maybe
mcdoda McDonald's on the air. I don't know something. Who
knows it. Guy's the limit.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Hey, when you get going, I might have to do
some STA in a couple of months.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Tell me I got a suggestion for you. You something
you said in that segment caught my eye and knowing
how I use the ground rides for my portable station
with HFF gets you a pair of good gloves to
rip that out of the ground. Oh yeah, because you can. Yeah,

(24:10):
especially with the ones with the grips on the inside.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Here.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Uh huh, I can kind of see that because you're
grabbing that, you know, post up. It does get pretty Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I got a pair of big actually bought a pair
from horror Fraud what is it hazard front for fright
big Yeah, for fright uh vice gripts and I used
that to pull it up. But the gloves are a
good idea too. They'd be easier to carry around.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, well along with your universal socket set.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well, if you weren't using the universal socket set and
you were using regular open end wrenches with the closed end,
you could take one of those closed den wrenches, slip
it over the end of the probably use about a
half inch, and then slip it over the end of
the ground rod and just bring it up on an

(25:04):
angle and then it'll grip that grip that ground round.
You can pull it right out of the ground. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
See, that's the why they do it with the metric system.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Or you could use a thirteen millimeter opened end wrench
with a closed end on the end.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. I've been threatening
to do it for a long time, and I'm kind
of looking forward to it, especially this time of the year.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
I almost did it in the summertime, but it's just
too hot to go sit out there around this parts
of the country.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
That sounds funny. You should come up here in December
and try it.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, it's usually it's pretty nice in December around here. Well, Mike,
you had a what a news item?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I did it.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
It's actually this one.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Well, they're all pretty interesting, but this one really caught
my eye because I've been on a lot of virtual
meetings lately and I didn't realize the first virtual meeting
occurred in nineteen sixteen. It linked up fifteen one hundred
engineers from Atlanta to San Francisco. It goes on to

(26:16):
say how they did it. Posted the link there so
you can read the article. It's not that long, but
it's pretty interesting the way they coordinated all the telephone
systems to work together. And there's also comment on the
fact that during the meeting, some of the stations along
the way even though they were kept muted, they sent

(26:36):
telegrams to the headquarters with their attendants and greetings. So
I guess you could think of that as back in
nineteen sixteen, that would have been the chat room. It's
pretty interesting. Check it out.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know, when I first glanced this, I did not
realize that Alexander Graham Bell had a man bun.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, you know, that kind of struck me funny, because
I'm not really I'm going to have to check that out.
I'm not sure that's the right picture.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
I bought one of these several months ago. They've been
out I don't know how long now, maybe a year. Oh,
I'm not sure exactly how long he's been out. But
mine's been in the box and I decided I need
to pull it out, play with it a little bit,
do a project with it. And this is what I

(27:33):
came up with. You know, there's more to life than
amateur radio. There's also micro controllers, amongst other things. But
if you've watched this show any length of time, you
know that we like to play with these, create projects,
do different things that we need done, and sometimes just

(27:56):
useless stuff. That's what I'm going to do today. We're
going to take a look though at a new micro controller.
I say new because it's not a replacement. The r
Dueno Uno is probably one of the most popular micro
controller boards ever made. Simplicity inputs, digital inputs, analog inputs,

(28:19):
digital outputs, a variety of functions serial you can do
with it, USB all kinds of things. Few things that
you could not do, but the majority of you simple
projects and even a little more complex projects. The r
Dueno Uno Rev three was suited for it. Here's the

(28:42):
new r Dueno Uno Rev four Wi Fi. There's two
different versions of this as an R four Minima, which
does not have Wi Fi or Bluetooth built in and
does not have the LED matrix built in either, but
it's cheaper. There are a number of things that are
different between the two. Basically, the R four will run

(29:05):
most all of the software that would have been written
for the Revision three. There are a few things that
it won't run, though, and those are things mostly tied
to the chip that was used in the original Arduino.
Who knows there's a new Renaissance chip that's being used
here in the Revision four models. And if you've got

(29:26):
the Wi Fi version, there's also an ESP thirty two chip. Now,
the ESP thirty two is a micro controller in its
own right, along with the Wi Fi radio and Bluetooth radio. However,
that's all they're using it for on this board. They're
using this Renaissance chip over here for everything else. So

(29:49):
what's the differences. Well, the Revision three was an eight
big micro controller. It used the at MAGA three twenty
eight P micro controller. Now, there's still one very good
thing in my opinion about this particular model, and that
is this micro controller is in a DIP chip package,

(30:10):
so you can build your own PC boards and put
a DIP socket on it or as sort of this
directly to the PC board. It's not surface mount, so
it's fairly easy to do, doesn't take as much effort
as surface mount components do. The R four Minimum and

(30:30):
the Wi Fi both use a thirty two bit micro
controller unit. It's the RA four M one series from Renassis.
There's a USB type B connector here on the Revision
three and earlier Arduino who knows. However, on the R
four version, either the Minima or the Wi Fi, there's

(30:53):
a USB type C connector. The Revision three had thirty
two kilobytes of flash rammere, while the Minima and the
Wi Fi have two hundred and fifty six kilobikes flash memories,
so quite a big increase in memory size there. D
R three had two kilobytes of SRAM. The R four

(31:14):
has thirty two kilobikes of SRAM, big increase there. The
Revision four runs at forty eight megahertz, that's three times
faster than the Arduino Revision three. Both of these devices
have analog to digital converters. On the original Revision three

(31:36):
it was only ten bit resolution. On the Revision four,
it defaults to ten bits for compatibility with the earlier versions,
but you could also set it to do twelve bit
or fourteen bit resolution, which gives you a lot more
detail in the analog signals that you're trying to measure.
The Revision three would operate from seven to twelve volte

(32:01):
Revision four six to twenty four vaults, so a little
bit broader there. Revision three had no real time clock
built in. The Revision four does have a real time
clock that's a day date as well as time. Revision
four also supports can bus. You know, that's the bus

(32:22):
that's used in automobiles for troubleshooting and controlling things. The
R three didn't have such capabilities. Also, the R four
Wi Fi as is built in LED Matrix and Wi
Fi and Bluetooth. Now the R four minimum does not
have those two, but everything else is the same on it.

(32:45):
So that's just a few of the basic differences. There's
more to it than that, Like you can generate square
waves from the digital outputs using pulsewidth modulated signals on
the R three. On the R four you can actually
generate square waves, sine waves, and saw tooth waves. I

(33:06):
put together a little project just to show a few
of the differences and capabilities of the new Revision four.
This is nowhere near all of it. There'd not be
enough time in an entire show to cover it. Maybe
we'll look at some of the other possibilities in the future.
Here's the connections I'm made to the ardwindow HUNO or
for Wi Fi module. Starting at the bottom, you'll see

(33:26):
we've got five vaults input Right next to that, we've
got ground, then we've got the analog inputs. Those are
the ones we're going to be using. Here on the bottom,
you can connect your power supply straight into the five
vault input of the ARD window UNO, or you can
use the USBC cable to power the device. If you

(33:49):
look down below five vaults, there you'll see a five
KOM pot. The wiper on that pod goes over to
A five. What we're doing is upping the voltage off
of that pot into the analog five input. We're going
to use that for a speed control for a routine
that we've got in the program. A zero is going

(34:12):
to be an analog output. Now we didn't have that
on the Revision three or two, so we're going to
get a sine wave out of that A zero port.
And I've got a ten KO pot that's going to
be used to adjust volume with. And here's another thing
that we didn't have on the RWENO and over Revision four.

(34:34):
There is an op pamp circuit built into the micro
controller here. It uses pens A one as an OPAMP
positive input, A two as the negative input, and A
three as the oppamp output. The sine wave is going
to be kind of low coming out of this analog output.

(34:54):
We'll use the opp amp circuit turn it on so
that we've got a little amplifier to drive our speaker.
Out there. Ten k on pot then is going to
feed A one, which is our positive input to the
I pamp and we can just adjust our volume there.
You need those two ten ko resistors below A three.

(35:15):
That's to make the OP pamp circuit function. And you
can see I put a forty seven microferre capacitor out
before the speaker to DC isolate the speaker, and also
a little four hundred and seventy on resistor to isolate
the speaker a little bit from the O pamp output.
Up above, you can see digital inputs one, two, and three.

(35:40):
I have three push buttons rather than use pull up resistors,
I just use the pull up command inside the Arduino
Uno language. Three different buttons. The first one is going
to play a one killer Hurtz tone, the second one
is going to play random tones, and the third one
is for a special test mode I set up. There's

(36:04):
really not enough time to dig into the code here.
I'm just going to do a brief rundown of it
at the top. We've just got some comments up here
and some information to some weblinks that you can find
more details on how to use some of these commands.
We're going to include a few header files. Here, we've

(36:25):
got the portion of the program that initializes it, then
the set up function that always runs anytime you start
on ortwino UNO, and then we've got a loop function
that is the main part of the program that it's
sitting there constantly running through. Below that, I've got a
couple of other functions here. There's a void one k tone.

(36:48):
This is a function that plays one thousand hertz, very simple,
just one line of code. And then there's a function
here called rand tones that plays random tones. It just
generates a random number, plays that frequency, and it also
displays some frames that we edited using the r DWENO

(37:11):
Matrix LED editor. That's all the code there is. Take
out the blank lines at the less than one hundred
lines of code. So what does this do. Let's take
a look. We've got a dual trace of telescope set
up here. The number one channel is connected to the
output of the oscillator, which is on a zero channel.

(37:35):
Two is connected to the output of the ip amp.
So let's see what we got. First thing, if we
hit the reset button to start up the r duino. Here,
we've got texts, amateurlogic, dot TV, scarls, cross one time.
Only a few lines of code are necessary to do that. Now,

(37:57):
I've got three little buttons connected down here. The first button,
if I touch it, that's going to give us a
one killer Hurtz tone. Now, of course we're looking at
the output of a zero. Now we can see this
is a little odd looking. It is a sine wave.
But you can see these little steps here. That's where

(38:19):
they approximated it and switched it on and off to
create a sine wave. So not a perfect sign, but
nevertheless it is a sign. We can see on the
output of the op aamp here. That's not exactly what
you would call a sine wave there either. It did
smooth out those bumps on there. But you know this

(38:40):
is a little flat here on the bottom. As we
start increasing the game, you'll notice it starts flat topping there.
That's where we're getting into distortion. So no matter where
we run the game, it's never a perfect sign, but
it does give us a lot more volume than we

(39:01):
would get just straight out of analog zero. That's pretty
blow signal there. The second button runs our sequence of
random tones. I've got the LED displayed just flashing random LEDs.

(39:22):
There is a pattern to it. If you watch close enough,
you'd eventually figure it out. But I used a little
animation to put that together, just so simulate computer thinking.
And you can see the frequencies of the tones are
varying here. This is something I thought that Dean Martin

(39:43):
could use on Ham College. Sometimes he just sets a
wild guess on one of the answers. This will help
do that. We'll use our great computer here to randomly
generate an answer. Since all the questions are multiple choice
through D, you can press the third button.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
B.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
The answer is B. Whether or not that's correct, I
don't know. It's just a random chance. All it's the
one and four chance. It could be any of these.
So we got a D. If you keep pressing it,

(40:32):
you'll eventually get a. Well, there's another D. You'll eventually
get a C of B and a ar D. Just whatever.
D seems to be a particularly heavy odds tonight. There
we go. We finally got a C. I just wanted
to be able to demonstrate a couple of things on
the red four of the Arduino Uno Wi Fi here.

(40:55):
This is the first version of the un that's got
Wi Fi and blu Uo built into it. We're not
even gonna look at those tonight. All we did is
look at the analog input and we changed the A
D converter. On the Rev four you only got a
ten bit A to D on here. You can go
twelve or fourteen bits, so I stepped it up to

(41:17):
fourteen bits. So we've got a wider variety of voltages
that we're sampling. It's zero to five voltes, but there's
a lot more steps to it. Also, I wanted to
demonstrate the LED and we're just doing text here with
the A, B C or d R scrolling amateurlogic dot

(41:37):
TV when we first started up. And I'm using frames
with the Matrix LED frame editor, just to flash some
random frames on there to make it look like other
things thinking, And I guess you could call it AI
or a v C d our eye is a better name.

(42:01):
Random intelligence. That's pretty good. Be sure power that thing
up next in a couple of weeks, I am. We're
gonna see how it does on the test. Okay, this

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Speaker 2 (44:40):
If anybody happens to be in the Kingston, Ontario area,
you have to check it out. I actually stumbled upon
it by accident. I did not I was not intending
to go there, but when I walked in there and
it's like, WHOA, have a look. The interior is all

(45:15):
it's a little disjointed with the various displays because it's
really jam packed. And I tried to do it in
order of eras World War One, starting out World War One,
going to two, and then carrying on from there. But
it's interesting stuff like this transmitter circ in nineteen sixteen

(45:39):
Morse code spark Gap telephone.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
It says telephone exchange. But are they exchanging for sandbags?
I don't know. And yeah, I'm not sure about that
spark Gap transmitter. Those tubular or cylindrical objects there. I
read on that. I blew up the image and it's

(46:04):
that Edison swan Edison Dash swan. So I'm not sure
if those are coils or what exactly they are, but anyway,
they're interesting. You'll see that in another spark Gut transmitter.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
And there's a spark Get Wars receiver. Everything is Every
receiver is a spark Gut receiver, isn't it I think so?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, yeah, if it's the tax am, it'll text spark
caps and that's that's the apparently in early twentieth century
Canadian Forces communication classroom where they did teaching.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
And there's our there's our plaque. Apparently this was on
the on the outside of the Department of Natural Defense's
Royal Canadian Corps. And and there's a there's a fellow
there sporting a Canadian tuxedo.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, in that hat. He closed it to the same place,
but he doesn't have any beers. Okay, No, they're under
the desk, I guess. Okay, out in the snow, keep.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Them out of sight. And this is a I think
a nineteen thirties vintage mobile radio and I'm not sure
when it where or how it was used, but it
was designed for mobile operation.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Look at that hat, man, it's a nice hot and.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Here were we're getting into World War two. I think
this is This was made by Northern Telecom, and whenever
I think of Northern Telecom, I immediately think of telephone equipment,
but I guess during the war they made military radio
equipment as well.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
So what was the rock for adjusting frequency?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I'm not really sure what that wrong for. It's got
some scrapes on it, so maybe it was used to
adjust the radio. I don't know. Oh, this is interesting.
This is a Model ten and it's a it's the
first microwave relay telephone system. It's a multi channel and

(48:17):
it was used during the D Day invasion, and I
guess it it was really valued for the communications it
was able to ascend back and forth.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I guess that'd be multiple advantages to that in that era,
first multi channel and then being microwave.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
You know, yeah, exactly. I guess the problem was up
until this time radio radios were all lower HF and
they relied on for any distance. They relied on skip
obviously for any communications distance. And whereas this was microwave,
as long as you had the line of sight, you

(48:57):
could you could get communications. See used to have the
equipment set up in these in these trucks or these vans,
and they would park them on you know, strategically placed
high points. This is Canada's spy school, Camp X. There's
a series out there that I watched and it was
Canada's spy school. They trained agents. It had a radio

(49:22):
comm center. During the Second World War they used to
keep in communication with Britain and the rest of the Allies.
The most powerful shortwave radio communications system at the time,
and interestingly it was created by a few Canadian amateurs.

(49:43):
And if you read if you go to Wikipedia and
you search for HYDRAU World War II radio, it speaks
about buying getting bits and pieces from various places and
one of them was from They got a ten kilowatt
transmitter I think from either Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, I can't remember,

(50:09):
somewhere in Pennsylvania anyway, in that transmitter committer. Apparently when
it was all hooked up as a system, it was
way out of its time. Yeah, I was surprised to
see that. But you know, they hit they hid radios
in in their bunks. Obviously they didn't want to be

(50:31):
caught with one of those, but they found ingenious ways
of hiding them. This is I guess radar is, particularly
for the Merchant Marines, is a big deal. That was
a real life saver for them. This slide here, I
couldn't get the clarity too well. Obviously the one on

(50:51):
the on the top left is in a siloscope, but
there's some other various pieces of test gear that was
used when I was seeing, you know, the the army
radios and such.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
That's not Tommy's leader.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
There now, that's not Earth Moon Earth.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, this is interesting, and I can remember at the
time when these were the big deal, the the M
seven thousands from Universal Radio being able to decode some
of those mystery signals that you heard on shortwave, and
obviously the military got onto us as well, thou Yeah,

(51:31):
from Universal Radio in Ohio I've been there before, and
there's another one there. This time there's there's a video
monitor there. I guess they had it hooked up. I'd
like to have one of those raycal receivers too.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
If you read the little card there, it says Contra
Choice and Handheld Radio Andy KOMM. So we've left the
World War two area.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I thought.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I wasn't sure what quite to make of it. Yeah,
apparently it's the military communications for Central Africa at the time.
I don't know if that's.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
True or not.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Probably not at that time, but probably at a time
it was.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, early teletype and cipher machines. We'll see the ENEGMA
machine later on, but these are the earlier ones. Obviously
they weren't around too long because they probably were the
code was broken pretty pretty easily, so they didn't stick

(52:36):
around too long. There's the the AEGMA machine. This one
you can tell it's got it's only got the four rotors,
so I'm assuming that would be one of the earlier
EGMA machines. I still think of the model kit that
the working ENAGMA kit. That chip built this one. Oh, yeah,

(52:57):
this is other equipped. This is encryption for phone and radio.
They had a display of these vacuum tubes. More radios
and the RDF on the right there at the top, right, Yeah,
it's very interesting. And more radios have too many, that's right.

(53:20):
And keys. Yeah I noticed, Tommy. You shouldn't keep those
handy talkings on your shelf there because they multiply like rabbits. Yeah,
these are teletype machines. I had one of those models,
seventeen teletypes when I first got licensed. They used to

(53:42):
use it for rtt y. Boy, that thing was noisy
when you fired it up.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, we used to have one of those. I don't
know which one it was. It's one of those models
are novel. We had ad them at radio stations back
in the day. That's how you got the news. That's
where right, and the analog phone line would get noisy
and it would go to hallucinating. We call it a garble,

(54:09):
but it was. You'd call it hallucinating now because it
just you'd be reading down a news story and going
all along and everything's fine. You better look at that
news ahead of time, because all of a sudden, it's
all these words you can't pronounce.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Oh yeah, I got a new here.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
That's a trick there.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
That's all. You notice the grooves in that dish. We
had to get him that dish because you'd put food
in a regular bowl and you turn your head and
turn back and look at him, the food would be gone.
It's like he just inhaled it. So that bowl design
is supposed to make him slow down, but he's figured
out a way just kind of drives around in certain

(55:00):
sit all in his mouth anyway. So he figured that out.
A couple of days. He can he can he can
empty the bowl in almost the same amount of time
by going in circles.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Wow, that's good stuff, Mike. I've seen something similar. Trying
to think of what ham Fast. It was some ham
Fast I was at I had a display similar to that,
but it was not that same stuff. But it was
World War two era.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
It may have been out west somewhere somewhere. I saw it.
It may have been hosts for one year. I can't
remember where it was. Stuff. My son and I are
thinking about going back to England for one last trip.
We're planning on going by the park over there to
see the ending machine and all that.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I was going to activate park lets you park. Wow,
I'd like to get over there. I didn't. I didn't
get over into that area, but it would be really
interesting to see that that is a turing machine. I
guess you could call it.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, if I do, I have to take plenty of
pictures on him. This is from my friend Kevin z
l one KFM now New Zealand this morning. All looking
at that antenna analyzers, something that's been missing in my
gear for a long time at home, always using SWR
meter from the radio try to VN A work but
a little cumbersome. So seeing that HRO and a few

(56:31):
other companies as specials for the Rig Expert units, saying
about getting one, what are your thoughts on what to get?
You don't need units that cover one gig, Hurtz. But
looking at the two lists below AA six fifty Zoom
and Rig Expert stick x pro, which I'm not familiar
with those, but I was going to ask for suggestions

(56:52):
of what people thought a good one was nowadays, because
I don't know them very well. But I did find
out that he already he bought the AA six fifties
zo but cious I.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Was going to say the Rig Expert that's top shelf stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, it's justice I used George's One Day over here
to test my into. Mine's a A two thirty zoom,
so it's several models down from what Kevin got there
to look that'll go a higher frequency, that'll cover U HF.
Mine won't. The Only thing about it is the interface
seemed a little bit weird to you figure out how
to use it, but then it's a problem. Yeah, a

(57:29):
little bit strange to me. It's it's one of my favorites. Yeah.
The only thing, and I don't know about these other
models of rig experts there. The only thing I don't
like about mine is you hit the button, it sweeps
one time and you gotta you get the trace. It's
not continuously sweeping. Yes, so every time you make a

(57:52):
change you have to, you know, hit the button to
swear it again. Don't like the little U kids when
I showed on my segment. You've seen it before four
YEA from MFJ. I don't even know you even still
make them or not. I don't know, but anyway, it's
really nice. It's so simple, it's really easy to use
that little battery and it lasts eternity too. It's got
two minutes. Well, Tommy, I know you're planning on going

(58:16):
in the morning head down to slide L I am,
what are you going to be doing Tuesday night? Ah,
it's a trick question. I'm glad you. I'm glad you
did though, because it's sneaking up Bomby. We're gonna be
doing the net, the logic net. It's uh, you and

(58:38):
I I think are Yeah, you and I are going
to be calling at this time. So it's actually the
twenty six, right before Thanksgiving, So it's this coming week.
Is it's on two tuesdays? Okay, yeah, it does. That's
kind of that's more like what I was expecting. Check
in with us. Be glad to hear from you. The

(58:59):
list of connections has changed, so take notes of the
slide here and there'll be a reminder sent out with
this information on it right before the net too. So yeah,
all the places you get in full on amateurlogic, Facebook,
x I guess it gets on X groups, dot io.

(59:22):
This will be all the usual places, so be sure
to check it good and or check it before it
say a reminder because it's always the fourth Tuesday of
the month. Now, we were trying to do it after
the show, but it changed around and it's kind of
hard for people to keep up with. So it's always
the fourth Tuesday of the months now, so you can
kind of sit your reminders on your your phone or

(59:43):
encounter or whatever you're gonna do. You know, since my
shirt crashed over here, Yeah, I'm gonna be looking for
a wardrobe, yeah, because that one gives me heartburn when
I see Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
I would say you could visit the shop dot spread
shirt dot com slash amateur logic site and get you
some snazzy uh apparel and and mugs and other things.
What do you think, George, Well, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
That might work out. You're guaranteed not to crash. We
haven't had one crash yet, not yet. I've got one
that looks a little ragged that's been worn for I
don't know how many years. Yeah. Well, oh, they've all
the mugs in there as well. That mug you've got

(01:00:36):
there didn't come from there, No.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
One as one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Mike, that's a graduation mug.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah, there's mugs, cups, backpacks, everything, a lot of stuff
in there, so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
You might not know that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
There's a lot of things that you might not know
that if you need to keep up with stuff work.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Could you do that, Mike, Facebook dot com, slash groups
slash amateur Logic dot tv.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah. You can follow us a amateur logical on Twitter too,
or x or whatever you want to call it this week. Yeah,
Or you could visit groups dot io slash g slash amateurlogic. Well,
you don't really visit that. You sign up there and
then groups dot io will send out an email whenever
we or any group member release of the post, but

(01:01:26):
it's generally only going to be announcing when there's going
to be a show coming up or when the recorded
episode has posted are the net and stuff like that. Basically,
you won't get spamed from you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
You won't get I like their I like their weekly digest.
You can subscribe to a weekly digest if you have
a let's say you're following a group that's pretty active,
you don't have time to read them all. You can
just get the digests and it sends you one email
gives you kind of like the reader's digest condensed version.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
And you know, sometimes the editors of the segments here
on amateurlogic fail to put a link to what you're
talking about in there, Like I think that happened at
least twice tonight. What could you do if you watch
a video and the link is not there, Well, you

(01:02:25):
can go to the wiki amateurlogy dot tv four slash wiki.
The wikimeister kind of puts that stuff all together. Yeah
a lot. As you say, we're included in the show notes.
Yeah yeah, yep, okay, well it's not right here, but
when I printed this out, but it is now where

(01:02:48):
you can. You can download the schematic and the code
for the circuit that I did tonight and the project
everyone to play with it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
You see, the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Parks on the air stuff will be there. To hope
most of the stuff from the shows in there. That's
that you need. We'd appreciate it if if you enjoy
the show tonight, click that little light button wherever it
is down there. Click the share button as well, get
a link that you can share with your friends, even
your enemies. So if your enemies watch, just spread well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Know that's right, love your enemies, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
That's what they say. Well, before we get out of here,
any final thoughts tonight, Tommy Now looking forward to going
and visiting the Meal and Glenn at the hand Fest,
and I'll have some video of that coming up. I
must be going to do in the partial in there too,
but I'll probably show the ham Fest, say video next

(01:03:49):
fingure some good stuff. But anyway, see you guys tomorrowbod
live stream. Well they'll be good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
There'll be good stuff, no doubt. I'll have given a
forum on some digital modes, give some updates from uh,
I'd usually do that at the ham Fest, and plus
helping them out there with some of their other stuff.
But always a good memory of that club w fabs LA.
We got our field day scores too, and we did

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above what we normally do. Uh. I think they published
them already in the latest QST. So it's pretty good stuff.
I'm sure y'all maybe saw y'all too. Huh uh what's
the club x AXX is it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
W five AXX Yeah yeah, Well email be sure to
open your wallet up before you go inside the flea market.
You don't want all those moths coming out in the
middle of that flea markets.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Away as you put another dollar in there since Dayton
two years ago, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Yes, I put another dollar one and uh the uh,
there isn't a good into coming down. I've never seen
or done out of Chattanooga, Tennessee. Chat Radio is going
to be down there that way, so I'm looking forward
to see what he brings down.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Yeah. They do a good display, Yeah, Mike. Any final
thoughts from the Great Wide North.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Um, Let's see not really. Things at work are still
crazy busy, but around the house here things are starting
to calm down a little bit. With the colder weather,
you're not able to do so much outside. The greenhouse
is finished, and I got to learn what fifteen tons

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of stone was in terms of quantity, because I had
fifteen tons of stone delivered to spread out. Actually they
were limestone screenings to spread out around the greenhouse, which
thankfully is now finished. It's got a door on it
and it's all in closed. So the only thing you'll

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have to do is to do a little bit of
arranging of things. And then there's a perval that I
have to put on the front next year, but that's
going to be in the spring or summer.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
A couple of tusays from now November twenty six, join
Tommy and I on the Logic Net. We're gonna get
Christmas the December. On the December one falls too close
to Christmas, so We're gonna skip that one, but we'll
be back on January. Thanks for being here tonight, everyone.
We enjoyed as always, look forward to seeing you around

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the middle of December for the next Amateur Logic. Until then,
live long and prosper keep your intelligence random. That's a
good game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Live along and prosperous. I can't do it, I gotta I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Don't have any trouble. Well maybe a little yep, I knew, yeah,
I can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Or what was that, Uh dude, where's my car Zultan
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Ye remember that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Seven three seven three