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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome, one and all, to the Magic Music Podcast.
I'm your host, Joseph Matthew,and in this series, we will be
discussing various occult andesoteric practices in music,
art, and culture.
So sit back, relax, and let'sexplore the unknown together.
Enjoy.
(00:21):
Welcome, everyone, to episodenumber five.
So in the previous episode, wediscussed dreams and how it
relates to the occult andvarious occult symbols that you
could interpret if you see themin a dream, like a snake or
(00:46):
fire, even numbers too, orsymbols.
If you see pentagrams orhexagrams, it might mean
something much deeper that'sgoing on in your life.
But for this episode, I thoughtwe would just touch on Carl
Jung.
So Carl Jung, we've discussed inprevious episodes that he was
(01:14):
basically a Swiss psychiatrist,psychoanalyst, and was the
founder of analyticalpsychology.
He was born in 1875.
And he passed away in 1961.
So that was a very, very longlife that he lived.
(01:35):
And he was able to write manybooks over the course of his
career.
So he started out as a protegeof Sigmund Freud.
And Freud was a prettyinfluential psychiatrist as well
in his time.
But he broke away because he hadmuch more...
(01:57):
spiritual mystical and symbolicviews of the human psyche than
freud's more sexually focusedtheories like repressed sexual
desires so young took psychologypretty deep he mixed it with
(02:19):
mythology alchemy which issomething we'll touch on in
later episodes religion art andthe big one, which is dreams.
I have one of his books.
Actually, I'm sorry, I have twobooks of his.
I have Man and His Symbols and Ihave Synchronicity.
(02:41):
Both were very, very inspiringand both books, they take a
while to kind of digest.
There's a lot of themes inthere.
a lot of things that he goesinto.
But I highly recommend readingCarl Jung or just looking up
different theories that he hadand studies and different
(03:04):
patients that he met with overthe years.
It's very, very fascinatingstuff.
So what did Jung believe aboutdreams?
He believed that dreams aremessages from the unconscious.
He didn't think dreams were justrandom...
brain static he believed thatdreams were meaningful messages
(03:28):
from your unconscious mind oryour inner self trying to
communicate and to quote jung umhe said who looks outside dreams
who looks inside awakens nowThere's something to be said
(03:51):
about individuals that areintrospective in nature, that
can see their flaws internallyand attempt to correct them.
You know, narcissists andpsychopaths have a much more
difficult time trying to lookinside themselves because they
(04:16):
think that they are perfectbeings that can do no wrong.
that's not the case everyone isconstantly changing and evolving
and adapting to theirenvironment to different people
and to different circumstancesi'm not the same person that i
was 10 years ago by no means i'm29 years old so to think of joe
(04:43):
at 19 is a little crazy theamount of stuff that i've done
Good and bad, you know.
Life should be a learningexperience and you should be
able to look into your dreams totry to take away any important
messages.
(05:05):
Because dreams can send youthings.
And they can be very, veryinsightful.
So he believed that dreamsreflect the psyche's need for
balance.
So the psyche was kind of like aself-regulating system.
(05:26):
You know, dreams often show youwhat you're ignoring or
suppressing in waking life,trying to balance things out.
And balance is incrediblyimportant in life.
It's so important for stability.
It's important for maintaininghealthy relationships with
(05:47):
friends and or family, or workcolleagues, just anyone.
It's very, very important tohave the balance, to have the
yin and have the yen, to haveall sides on an equal playing
field.
(06:07):
If one side is tipping to theleft or tipping to the right or
skewed in so many differentdirections, then you might need
to work on yourself a little bitAnd no one's perfect.
Don't be afraid to branch outand try something new.
It's going to be scary.
It's going to be hard.
(06:27):
But just push through andpersevere.
And I can guarantee you thatyou're going to have a net
positive result at the end ofit.
Some things may not work out inyour favor, and that's okay.
Everyone is not the same.
Everyone is specialized forsomething.
(06:48):
I love music.
love talking about music i loverecording it i love listening to
it it's kind of my life it's ahuge a huge chunk of my life and
i would not want to surrenderthat for anything unless for
some reason i lost my hearingwhich would suck um but then
(07:10):
then again you have to adapt tosituations that arise in life
whether it's mental issues orphysical issues, you have to
have a balance.
So for instance, are you overlyrational?
You might dream of wild chaoticforces if you are overly
(07:34):
rational, like storms or verydisruptive events that may
happen in those dreams.
And you wake up very confused.
And you're like, what the helldid I just dream about?
I've had those dreams beforewhere I can't explain what they
(07:58):
were about.
And that's okay.
Because dreams are meant to bepieces of a puzzle that may or
may not connect.
Maybe in some way, shape, orform.
But it's not really a straightarrow.
The arrow can go all over theplace and then you end up at
(08:19):
this final moment before youwake up.
Are you ignoring emotions?
Expect watery or emotional dreamsymbols.
That's interesting.
So if you're denying that youlove somebody, care about them,
(08:41):
you might have a dream wheresomeone just embraces you you
might be uncomfortable with itor you might give them a hug
back and then you wake up andyou want to give someone a hug
in real life it's almost as ifyour body is pushing you to do
this thing that you were afraidto always do and there are
(09:06):
parents that you know me being aparent myself there's no right
way to parent there are parentsthat use a very militaristic
style of parenting and othersthat are very carefree, don't
punish their children, theydon't hit their kids, or I don't
believe in hitting kids,spanking, maybe sometimes if
(09:28):
they're very, very bad.
But my wife and I, we try tohave a balance of parenting.
We're both co-parents.
We both love each other verymuch.
So there is that balance that wetry to achieve.
If someone's not feeling well,we'll pick up the slack and vice
versa.
All right, so getting intoarchetypes and the collective
(09:50):
unconscious, which we've spokenabout before in the previous
episodes.
So he believed that we all sharea collective unconscious, which
is a kind of psychic inheritancefilled with archetypes, which
are ancient universal symbols orcharacters, such as the shadow,
(10:14):
which is your dark side, yourfears and your suppressed
emotions.
So if you have a fear ofheights, you might dream that
you're in a very tall buildingand it's really windy out and
you are on a cliff, a cliff'sedge or the edge of a building
(10:34):
and then you fall off.
You might have a fear of waterand I think it's thalassophobia
is the fear of water.
just large bodies of water thatare um that are open where you
don't know what's underneathlet's see yeah so thalassophobia
(10:59):
is an anxiety disorder thatmanifests as an intense and
persistent fear of deep waterlike lakes or oceans so you're
fearful of what's actuallyinside of the water itself like
huge fish or mammals and it's uhi'm kind of i'm pretty afraid of
(11:21):
the ocean myself not not shallowwater but you know the deeper
you go out i would not want tobe stranded let's see that
sounds horrible in dreams it'sfine but not in real life um
okay so moving on the anima oranimus which is the inner
feminine for men or masculinefor women I've always said this,
(11:49):
you have two parents, right?
You get 50% of your DNA fromyour mother and 50% of your DNA
from your father.
Now, there are certain femininequalities that we perceive that
may come out in men sometimes.
(12:10):
And one of those qualities iscaring and nurturing.
I would say that I'm a prettycaring and nurturing person.
I'm an empath.
I enjoy seeing other peopleflourish.
I don't get jealous of otherpeople because I know that my
path is going to take mesomewhere and it's going to put
me in a spot where it's going tobe a different spot from
(12:33):
somebody else.
They're on their own path.
And my friend, for example, hejust got his first apartment.
He's 30 years old.
He worked his ass off.
He got his college degree.
And he just moved out of hisparents house and has this
beautiful minimalist apartmenthe's 10 minutes from the beach
(12:56):
he's loving it and i'm so proudof him so proud of him shout out
to nick my best friend but umhe's yeah i'm so proud of him
for all the work that he's doneand um i can't wait to see him
thrive and flourish in thefuture And so masculine for
women is, I guess, being moreaggressive or forthcoming.
(13:22):
And I think it's something thatwe struggle with on a daily.
If you're a masculineheterosexual man, you almost
suppress that feminine side ofyou because in society, it's not
(13:42):
really...
Unless you're gay or bisexual orwhatever you're into, as long as
you're doing it for some kind ofpurpose where you just want love
and acceptance, then that'sfine.
But yeah, there's a lot ofsuppression of that.
Women, if you're a heterosexualwoman and you're into men, you
(14:06):
don't want to seem like a tomboyor something.
You want to be seen as like,kind of girly and attract a lot
of masculine men forreproductive purposes or just to
find a mate to share your timewith.
So the wise old man or the hero,which is inner guides or quests.
(14:34):
So I had a dream one time wherethis being of light, I feel like
it was some kind of wizard, wasguiding me along this road.
And it's almost as if I knew whothis man was.
And it felt so familiar.
(14:57):
And to hear that other peoplehave had similar dreams or
similar encounters with Theseolder beings that are trying to
tell them something.
It's really, really fascinatinghow we all can connect to this
higher dream plane that maybeone day we'll be able to map
(15:24):
out.
I was watching Joe Rogan theother day and he was discussing
how that apparently they'retrying to map out the DMT realm.
And for those of you who don'tknow, dimethyltryptoline is a
very, very potent psychedelicdrug.
(15:46):
People see beings and aliens andelves, and it's very bizarre.
I've never taken DMT, but it'sincredibly fascinating that
maybe one day with AI, we'll beable to map out these different
dimensions.
Not just this reality that we'reliving in now because we only
(16:09):
have a certain number of sensesand we can only hear certain
frequencies and see certainbands of light.
So it's pretty fascinating thatwe might may be able to decode
that in the future.
So all of those archetypes, theyoften show up in dreams as
(16:31):
characters or symbols.
And you know, dreams can beprophetic or guiding.
So while Jung didn't think everydream was a fortune cookie, he
did believe that dreams couldcontain foresight, something he
(16:51):
called prospective function.
So dreams can prepare us forfuture psychological
developments, growth, orchallenges.
It's almost as if your body ispre-gaming for an event to
(17:12):
occur.
And my question is, do theevents that happen in dreams, is
that something that has alreadybeen decided by the universe to
happen?
(17:33):
Or is it going to kind of berandom?
Is it predetermined?
Like, is that exact scenariogoing to happen in the future?
If so, then that means we are ona path that has already been
laid down for us.
(17:58):
Which that means anything thatyou do, any decision that you
make in terms of your career,your family, going to the
grocery store, anything down toany decision that you make.
(18:20):
Maybe you don't have a choice.
Maybe that decision has beenpicked for you.
And even if you think you'redeciding, maybe you're not.
It's just a thought.
I would like to think that wehave...
some kind of free will in thislife, but I'll never know.
It's just fascinating to thinkabout.
(18:43):
And on this podcast, we're goingto be doing a lot of just deep
thinking, me just rambling aboutthings.
So I do apologize.
Let's see.
So active imagination.
Jung encouraged people tointeract with dream imagery
through a process called activeimagination.
(19:04):
which is talking to dreamcharacters, drawing your dreams,
or even continuing the storywhile awake.
It wasn't just analysis for him.
It was almost like dreamalchemy.
So interacting with your dreams,whether that's if you're having
(19:25):
a lucid dream and you can kindof control the narrative, or
yeah, just...
writing down their names likethe characters that you see or
maybe what they look like maybethey will appear in another
dream in the future or the nextdream that you have the next
(19:46):
night or the next night sopersonally i don't i dream
sometimes i used to dream a lotwhen i was younger but now not
so much and the dreams i do havei feel like they are pretty
anxiety ridden and as someonewho suffers from anxiety i guess
(20:09):
it makes sense it's a way oftrying to figure out okay like
what's what's wrong here whatcould i do to calm myself down
what are takeaways from it thati can use in my personal life to
not get myself so amped up andanxious So to summarize,
(20:37):
essentially, dreams are symbolicand not literal.
You shouldn't take the dream asis.
You shouldn't sit there and go,okay, all this weird stuff is
going to happen to me.
No, you should take certainelements of it and you can apply
(21:01):
it to your life.
So you want to look at the dreamholistically and see, okay,
there's different parts to it aswell and how they intersect and
intertwine with one another.
Dreams come from the unconsciousto help you grow.
They should help you flourishand not hinder your abilities.
(21:29):
Even having nightmares can openup doors for somebody, right?
Having these nightmares, havingthese nightmares can guide you
to the light.
If you have a horrific dreamabout clowns, then maybe you
(21:56):
should try to face your fearsand go to a circus or hire a
clown for your kid's birthdayparty.
And you'll see that they'rereally not scary.
Of course, movies like It andother clown movies throughout
(22:20):
history have really sunken deepinto the psyche of individuals.
I know a few people that areterrified of clowns and
balloons.
There's fears for everything.
And a couple of years ago, therewere, it's really bizarre.
(22:41):
There were clown sightings inthis town where people would
dress up as clowns.
And it was during, I thinkduring the summertime, it wasn't
even close to Halloween yet, butthey'd go around and they'd like
look in people's windows andshit.
(23:02):
So yeah, I mean, take what youwant from that.
but it just depends on whatyou're fearful of and if you
believe that you can conquerthat fear i have my fears for
sure so it's it's such a normalaspect about being a human being
so they reflect your whole selftrying to emerge That's
(23:30):
interesting.
So maybe you're not complete asa person.
Maybe you're three quarters ofthe way there and you haven't
reached your full potential yet,or you're scared to take the
leap to the next step, whetherthat's starting a business,
starting a podcast.
This is new to me.
I'm excited to grow with eachepisode and to explore all the
(23:51):
amazing and beautiful topics onmusic and the occult.
and everything.
So hopefully I'm trying to, youknow, fit a piece of just a
piece of the jigsaw puzzle into,you know, that hole that I'm
(24:12):
missing.
Welcome, one and all, to the Magic Music Podcast.
I'm your host, Joseph Matthew,and in this series, we will be
discussing various occult andesoteric practices in music,
art, and culture.
So sit back, relax, and let'sexplore the unknown together.
Enjoy.
(00:21):
Welcome, everyone, to episodenumber five.
So in the previous episode, wediscussed dreams and how it
relates to the occult andvarious occult symbols that you
could interpret if you see themin a dream, like a snake or
(00:46):
fire, even numbers too, orsymbols.
If you see pentagrams orhexagrams, it might mean
something much deeper that'sgoing on in your life.
But for this episode, I thoughtwe would just touch on Carl
Jung.
So Carl Jung, we've discussed inprevious episodes that he was
(01:14):
basically a Swiss psychiatrist,psychoanalyst, and was the
founder of analyticalpsychology.
He was born in 1875.
And he passed away in 1961.
So that was a very, very longlife that he lived.
(01:35):
And he was able to write manybooks over the course of his
career.
So he started out as a protegeof Sigmund Freud.
And Freud was a prettyinfluential psychiatrist as well
in his time.
But he broke away because he hadmuch more...
(01:57):
spiritual mystical and symbolicviews of the human psyche than
freud's more sexually focusedtheories like repressed sexual
desires so young took psychologypretty deep he mixed it with
(02:19):
mythology alchemy which issomething we'll touch on in
later episodes religion art andthe big one, which is dreams.
I have one of his books.
Actually, I'm sorry, I have twobooks of his.
I have Man and His Symbols and Ihave Synchronicity.
(02:41):
Both were very, very inspiringand both books, they take a
while to kind of digest.
There's a lot of themes inthere.
a lot of things that he goesinto.
But I highly recommend readingCarl Jung or just looking up
different theories that he hadand studies and different
(03:04):
patients that he met with overthe years.
It's very, very fascinatingstuff.
So what did Jung believe aboutdreams?
He believed that dreams aremessages from the unconscious.
He didn't think dreams were justrandom...
brain static he believed thatdreams were meaningful messages
(03:28):
from your unconscious mind oryour inner self trying to
communicate and to quote jung umhe said who looks outside dreams
who looks inside awakens nowThere's something to be said
(03:51):
about individuals that areintrospective in nature, that
can see their flaws internallyand attempt to correct them.
You know, narcissists andpsychopaths have a much more
difficult time trying to lookinside themselves because they
(04:16):
think that they are perfectbeings that can do no wrong.
that's not the case everyone isconstantly changing and evolving
and adapting to theirenvironment to different people
and to different circumstancesi'm not the same person that i
was 10 years ago by no means i'm29 years old so to think of joe
(04:43):
at 19 is a little crazy theamount of stuff that i've done
Good and bad, you know.
Life should be a learningexperience and you should be
able to look into your dreams totry to take away any important
messages.
(05:05):
Because dreams can send youthings.
And they can be very, veryinsightful.
So he believed that dreamsreflect the psyche's need for
balance.
So the psyche was kind of like aself-regulating system.
(05:26):
You know, dreams often show youwhat you're ignoring or
suppressing in waking life,trying to balance things out.
And balance is incrediblyimportant in life.
It's so important for stability.
It's important for maintaininghealthy relationships with
(05:47):
friends and or family, or workcolleagues, just anyone.
It's very, very important tohave the balance, to have the
yin and have the yen, to haveall sides on an equal playing
field.
(06:07):
If one side is tipping to theleft or tipping to the right or
skewed in so many differentdirections, then you might need
to work on yourself a little bitAnd no one's perfect.
Don't be afraid to branch outand try something new.
It's going to be scary.
It's going to be hard.
(06:27):
But just push through andpersevere.
And I can guarantee you thatyou're going to have a net
positive result at the end ofit.
Some things may not work out inyour favor, and that's okay.
Everyone is not the same.
Everyone is specialized forsomething.
(06:48):
I love music.
love talking about music i loverecording it i love listening to
it it's kind of my life it's ahuge a huge chunk of my life and
i would not want to surrenderthat for anything unless for
some reason i lost my hearingwhich would suck um but then
(07:10):
then again you have to adapt tosituations that arise in life
whether it's mental issues orphysical issues, you have to
have a balance.
So for instance, are you overlyrational?
You might dream of wild chaoticforces if you are overly
(07:34):
rational, like storms or verydisruptive events that may
happen in those dreams.
And you wake up very confused.
And you're like, what the helldid I just dream about?
I've had those dreams beforewhere I can't explain what they
(07:58):
were about.
And that's okay.
Because dreams are meant to bepieces of a puzzle that may or
may not connect.
Maybe in some way, shape, orform.
But it's not really a straightarrow.
The arrow can go all over theplace and then you end up at
(08:19):
this final moment before youwake up.
Are you ignoring emotions?
Expect watery or emotional dreamsymbols.
That's interesting.
So if you're denying that youlove somebody, care about them,
(08:41):
you might have a dream wheresomeone just embraces you you
might be uncomfortable with itor you might give them a hug
back and then you wake up andyou want to give someone a hug
in real life it's almost as ifyour body is pushing you to do
this thing that you were afraidto always do and there are
(09:06):
parents that you know me being aparent myself there's no right
way to parent there are parentsthat use a very militaristic
style of parenting and othersthat are very carefree, don't
punish their children, theydon't hit their kids, or I don't
believe in hitting kids,spanking, maybe sometimes if
(09:28):
they're very, very bad.
But my wife and I, we try tohave a balance of parenting.
We're both co-parents.
We both love each other verymuch.
So there is that balance that wetry to achieve.
If someone's not feeling well,we'll pick up the slack and vice
versa.
All right, so getting intoarchetypes and the collective
(09:50):
unconscious, which we've spokenabout before in the previous
episodes.
So he believed that we all sharea collective unconscious, which
is a kind of psychic inheritancefilled with archetypes, which
are ancient universal symbols orcharacters, such as the shadow,
(10:14):
which is your dark side, yourfears and your suppressed
emotions.
So if you have a fear ofheights, you might dream that
you're in a very tall buildingand it's really windy out and
you are on a cliff, a cliff'sedge or the edge of a building
(10:34):
and then you fall off.
You might have a fear of waterand I think it's thalassophobia
is the fear of water.
just large bodies of water thatare um that are open where you
don't know what's underneathlet's see yeah so thalassophobia
(10:59):
is an anxiety disorder thatmanifests as an intense and
persistent fear of deep waterlike lakes or oceans so you're
fearful of what's actuallyinside of the water itself like
huge fish or mammals and it's uhi'm kind of i'm pretty afraid of
(11:21):
the ocean myself not not shallowwater but you know the deeper
you go out i would not want tobe stranded let's see that
sounds horrible in dreams it'sfine but not in real life um
okay so moving on the anima oranimus which is the inner
feminine for men or masculinefor women I've always said this,
(11:49):
you have two parents, right?
You get 50% of your DNA fromyour mother and 50% of your DNA
from your father.
Now, there are certain femininequalities that we perceive that
may come out in men sometimes.
(12:10):
And one of those qualities iscaring and nurturing.
I would say that I'm a prettycaring and nurturing person.
I'm an empath.
I enjoy seeing other peopleflourish.
I don't get jealous of otherpeople because I know that my
path is going to take mesomewhere and it's going to put
me in a spot where it's going tobe a different spot from
(12:33):
somebody else.
They're on their own path.
And my friend, for example, hejust got his first apartment.
He's 30 years old.
He worked his ass off.
He got his college degree.
And he just moved out of hisparents house and has this
beautiful minimalist apartmenthe's 10 minutes from the beach
(12:56):
he's loving it and i'm so proudof him so proud of him shout out
to nick my best friend but umhe's yeah i'm so proud of him
for all the work that he's doneand um i can't wait to see him
thrive and flourish in thefuture And so masculine for
women is, I guess, being moreaggressive or forthcoming.
(13:22):
And I think it's something thatwe struggle with on a daily.
If you're a masculineheterosexual man, you almost
suppress that feminine side ofyou because in society, it's not
(13:42):
really...
Unless you're gay or bisexual orwhatever you're into, as long as
you're doing it for some kind ofpurpose where you just want love
and acceptance, then that'sfine.
But yeah, there's a lot ofsuppression of that.
Women, if you're a heterosexualwoman and you're into men, you
(14:06):
don't want to seem like a tomboyor something.
You want to be seen as like,kind of girly and attract a lot
of masculine men forreproductive purposes or just to
find a mate to share your timewith.
So the wise old man or the hero,which is inner guides or quests.
(14:34):
So I had a dream one time wherethis being of light, I feel like
it was some kind of wizard, wasguiding me along this road.
And it's almost as if I knew whothis man was.
And it felt so familiar.
(14:57):
And to hear that other peoplehave had similar dreams or
similar encounters with Theseolder beings that are trying to
tell them something.
It's really, really fascinatinghow we all can connect to this
higher dream plane that maybeone day we'll be able to map
(15:24):
out.
I was watching Joe Rogan theother day and he was discussing
how that apparently they'retrying to map out the DMT realm.
And for those of you who don'tknow, dimethyltryptoline is a
very, very potent psychedelicdrug.
(15:46):
People see beings and aliens andelves, and it's very bizarre.
I've never taken DMT, but it'sincredibly fascinating that
maybe one day with AI, we'll beable to map out these different
dimensions.
Not just this reality that we'reliving in now because we only
(16:09):
have a certain number of sensesand we can only hear certain
frequencies and see certainbands of light.
So it's pretty fascinating thatwe might may be able to decode
that in the future.
So all of those archetypes, theyoften show up in dreams as
(16:31):
characters or symbols.
And you know, dreams can beprophetic or guiding.
So while Jung didn't think everydream was a fortune cookie, he
did believe that dreams couldcontain foresight, something he
(16:51):
called prospective function.
So dreams can prepare us forfuture psychological
developments, growth, orchallenges.
It's almost as if your body ispre-gaming for an event to
(17:12):
occur.
And my question is, do theevents that happen in dreams, is
that something that has alreadybeen decided by the universe to
happen?
(17:33):
Or is it going to kind of berandom?
Is it predetermined?
Like, is that exact scenariogoing to happen in the future?
If so, then that means we are ona path that has already been
laid down for us.
(17:58):
Which that means anything thatyou do, any decision that you
make in terms of your career,your family, going to the
grocery store, anything down toany decision that you make.
(18:20):
Maybe you don't have a choice.
Maybe that decision has beenpicked for you.
And even if you think you'redeciding, maybe you're not.
It's just a thought.
I would like to think that wehave...
some kind of free will in thislife, but I'll never know.
It's just fascinating to thinkabout.
(18:43):
And on this podcast, we're goingto be doing a lot of just deep
thinking, me just rambling aboutthings.
So I do apologize.
Let's see.
So active imagination.
Jung encouraged people tointeract with dream imagery
through a process called activeimagination.
(19:04):
which is talking to dreamcharacters, drawing your dreams,
or even continuing the storywhile awake.
It wasn't just analysis for him.
It was almost like dreamalchemy.
So interacting with your dreams,whether that's if you're having
(19:25):
a lucid dream and you can kindof control the narrative, or
yeah, just...
writing down their names likethe characters that you see or
maybe what they look like maybethey will appear in another
dream in the future or the nextdream that you have the next
(19:46):
night or the next night sopersonally i don't i dream
sometimes i used to dream a lotwhen i was younger but now not
so much and the dreams i do havei feel like they are pretty
anxiety ridden and as someonewho suffers from anxiety i guess
(20:09):
it makes sense it's a way oftrying to figure out okay like
what's what's wrong here whatcould i do to calm myself down
what are takeaways from it thati can use in my personal life to
not get myself so amped up andanxious So to summarize,
(20:37):
essentially, dreams are symbolicand not literal.
You shouldn't take the dream asis.
You shouldn't sit there and go,okay, all this weird stuff is
going to happen to me.
No, you should take certainelements of it and you can apply
(21:01):
it to your life.
So you want to look at the dreamholistically and see, okay,
there's different parts to it aswell and how they intersect and
intertwine with one another.
Dreams come from the unconsciousto help you grow.
They should help you flourishand not hinder your abilities.
(21:29):
Even having nightmares can openup doors for somebody, right?
Having these nightmares, havingthese nightmares can guide you
to the light.
If you have a horrific dreamabout clowns, then maybe you
(21:56):
should try to face your fearsand go to a circus or hire a
clown for your kid's birthdayparty.
And you'll see that they'rereally not scary.
Of course, movies like It andother clown movies throughout
(22:20):
history have really sunken deepinto the psyche of individuals.
I know a few people that areterrified of clowns and
balloons.
There's fears for everything.
And a couple of years ago, therewere, it's really bizarre.
(22:41):
There were clown sightings inthis town where people would
dress up as clowns.
And it was during, I thinkduring the summertime, it wasn't
even close to Halloween yet, butthey'd go around and they'd like
look in people's windows andshit.
(23:02):
So yeah, I mean, take what youwant from that.
but it just depends on whatyou're fearful of and if you
believe that you can conquerthat fear i have my fears for
sure so it's it's such a normalaspect about being a human being
so they reflect your whole selftrying to emerge That's
(23:30):
interesting.
So maybe you're not complete asa person.
Maybe you're three quarters ofthe way there and you haven't
reached your full potential yet,or you're scared to take the
leap to the next step, whetherthat's starting a business,
starting a podcast.
This is new to me.
I'm excited to grow with eachepisode and to explore all the
(23:51):
amazing and beautiful topics onmusic and the occult.
and everything.
So hopefully I'm trying to, youknow, fit a piece of just a
piece of the jigsaw puzzle into,you know, that hole that I'm
(24:12):
missing.
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