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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Israel is on the offensive in Gaza. We'll explore how
that is playing in American politics with Semaphorre's Ben Smith.
Arizona Congressman Eli Crane is here to take on all
the action on Capitol Hill. FBI Director Cash Ptel gave
electric testimony in the Senate. We've got all the highlights
and we'll go into how expected interest rate cuts will
(00:20):
impact the American economy. It's all next on the Matt
Gates Show. Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We're breaking the fever.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Do you haven't watch this guy on television.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's like a machine.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He's great. Matt Gates, we have breaking news tonight on
the military campaign Israel is waging in Gaza. Today, Israel
intensified its operations with a full scale ground offensive into
Gaza City, marking the main phase of its campaign against Hamas.
Israel's Defense Minister Israel Katz declared, Gaza is burning. What
(00:56):
a statement this all happened? As Israeli's defense for to
say their objectives include dismantling Hamas infrastructure and securing the
release of hostages. Two divisions of IDF soldiers are pushing
deeper into Gaza City as we're having this discussion. Estimates
suggests there are two to three thousand Hamas fighters that
remain inside the city. They use a network of tunnels
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and hardened positions. The military has ordered mass evacuations from
northern Gaza, with hundreds of thousands of people fleeing southward,
though many are trapped by the chaos. They have limited
safe routes and certainly a lack of resources. The death
toll in Gaza continues to rise sharply. In the latest
twenty four hour period, dozens of civilians were killed, including children.
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Hospitals are overwhelmed. Diplomatic pressure is increasing. US Secretary of
State Marco Rubio has called for urgency in negotiations, warning
that a window for a truce is narrowing. Arab states
are voicing strong opposition. This comes after Israel bombed Doha, Qatar.
That is a country that graciously houses US troops, some
(02:02):
of whom are from the district in Congress I used
to represent in North Florida. But it isn't just Arab
states critical of Israel's latest belligerent moves. Vice President JD
Vance told us exclusively on our program. The President Trump
believes what Israel's doing isn't helpful.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
He doesn't think this serves Israel's interests or the United
States's interests, and so he's not happy about.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It, even normally chastened Sweden. Sweden is criticizing Israel. In
a post on ex their foreign Minister Maria Malmer said
her government was quote deeply critical of the intensified military
offensive in Gaza that is now being carried out Sweden
off the top ropes. The Gaza Health Ministry is now
reporting over sixty thousand Palestinians killed, most of them civilians,
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since the conflict began in twenty twenty three. Tens of
thousands more are injured. Many are trapped under the rubble
of bombed out neighborhoods. We don't know whether to believe
the Gaza Health Ministry on the overall numbers, but we
certainly know that a lot of people have died. Infrastructure
has been destroyed, Hospitals, water sanitation systems, schools, and maternity
wards are damaged or non functional. Millions of people have
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been displaced. Many lack access to clean water, food, or
basic medical care. That'll probably be the cohort of humans
that produces the next generation of terrorists. That's deeply, deeply regrettable.
Charlie Kirk shared what he believed Israel's goals were in
Gaza just before his death.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
But the fact is now, Bibie and the Israeli hard
right government has a mandate. I gotta be careful the
way I say this too. They're going to try to
ethnically cleanse Gaza. I mean's and I don't use that
term lightly.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Semaphore has a great new peace out. Regarding how Charlie
Kirk was dealing with the Israel divide among Republicans, according
to the piece, quote to older friends of Israel, Kirk
was a potential problem. He was a young man who
seemed to be feeling the pull of his Jet generation,
which is across parties critical of Israel's war in Gaza.
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Continuing in the Semaphore piece, they write, every time he
spoke about something he disagreed with Israel about, he would
be attacked by his Jewish donors and the pro Israel community,
and it drove him crazy. Close quote the author of
that piece, Ben Smith, is the editor in chief of Semaphore,
and he joins me, Now, Ben, I'm curious what got
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you interested in Charlie Kirk's views on Israel and how
you know did that how did you what did you
learn in the process of putting this piece together?
Speaker 7 (04:35):
You know, I guess it's to me one of the
really striking things is the extent to which the Israel
Palace on conflict kind of of all things is really
this central wedge in both political parties. And you know,
and after Kirk's assassination, I know, I just saw and
heard his friends on both sides of that divide really
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kind of arguing very heatedly about which, you know, which
side he'd been on. And I think actually what you found,
what I heard was that people both who are critics
of Israel and people who you know are great lovers
of Israel, both really saying and I think believing that
Kirk was with them.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And I wonder, can you be both? I mean, can
you love Israel? Can you want good things to happen
for the Jewish people, but at the same time be
critical of some of the incarnations of the Nets and
Yahoo government Or does today's politics around this question really
not allow for that type of nuance.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
I mean, I think that's a great question. I mean
I think lots of political figures, lots of Democrats kind
of spent their careers in that place, right like Jerry Nadler,
your former colleague, you know, very staunch friend of Israel.
I think widely seen also very hostile to Likud governments.
But that is as obviously changed in the last year,
and I think partly because young people in both parties
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are so intensely hostile to Israel. And what I think,
you know, people who talk to Kirk about this said
to me it was just that he was feeling, you know,
pressure from all sorts of places, but also just this
very intense pull from his audience, you know. And when
he was when he was on campuses, which was what
he spent a lot of his time doing, he was
he told people, who's getting forty to fifty percent of
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all the questions were about Israel. He had asked a
couple of very vocal Israeli allies of the Israelis to
come and kind of brief him for and prepare him basically,
I think, in his view, to defend Israel from criticism
on these campuses, you know. But at the same time,
you know, I think he was very focused on holding
the Republican Party together, holding the conservative movement together, finding
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a way to create a big tent that included people
who disagreed deeply on the question of Israel. Like, there's
not an obvious reason that that should that an American
political party shouldn't include people who have differing views on
things happening in other countries.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, and that wonder was his view. Yeah, because it
seems like what your piece really illuminates is that this
is a Republican versus Democrat divide. It is a divide
on this question of the US Israel relationship animated by
what you said, hostility among young people. Charlie Kirk was
principally talking to young people as his life's work, and
so there's a natural interface. What have you learned is
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animating some of the animosity toward the nets and Yahoo
government among young people of the political right and political left.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
You know, I think that's such a sort of a
dangerous question because it is so many different things. I mean,
I think ranging from like I think people who are
paying tons of attention to what the net NAO government
is doing in Gaza and hate it, to people who
hate Jews, Like I would say that's the spectrum, and
it's a big spectrum. It includes lots of different people.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, and certainly we would reject any hatred that is
driven by someone's religious behathe or or their their cultural heritage.
But Israel is now on the offensive in Gaza as
we're having this conversation, how do you expect the reaction
to come from American political leaders who are sensitive to
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this dynamic that you wrote about?
Speaker 7 (08:10):
You know, I think, I mean, I think you know,
I'm talking to you from New York City and which
is always you know, it's been a place where, like
you know, the mayor would typically visit like Dublin, Rome
and Israel right in Jerusalem, Like it's a very you know,
it's a city where support for Israel's is like baked
into the DNA of the politics. And you have a
candidate for mayor who's intensely critical of Israel's or un
Mumdani kind of longtime activists for the Palestinian cause, and
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where I think a lot of his opponents attacked him
for being hostile to Israel and then kind of looked
at the polling and saw, oh, actually his position is
the more popular one, including with lots of Jews in
New York. So I mean, I think I think you're
seeing the landscape shift a lot. I think, particularly inside
the Democratic Party where it's I mean, I think you'll
see in like the twenty twenty eight Democratic primaries, there's
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gonna be a really heated debate. I think you'll have
Democrats pushing for like a freeze in in sending weapons
to Israel, things like that, Neil Father. I mean, it's
going to be a very intense argument inside that party.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I mean, you're you're you know the Republican Party better
than I do. Do you think do you think that
this is sort of like anti Israel insurgency by the
youth can be is going to be put down? Or
do you think it's going to really change? The White
House is so pro Israel?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Well, I think President Trump has done more for Israel
than any president in quite some time. When you look
at some of the territorial issues and jurisdictional issues. He's
certainly been a defender of NETANYAHUU against some of the
ongoing judicial matters. But what I read, and I could
be wrong, is that a lot of young Americans deeply
resent this incarnation of the Israeli government drawing America into
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conflicts where our interests are not clear and where the
blowback is pretty substantial and negative for our own people.
And I sense that Charlie faced that with young people too.
And you mentioned the Democrat Party going through those questions.
I think they have in prior election cycles, and it
is getting more intense. But I actually think that will
happen on the Republican side too. Presidential campaigns do shape
(10:09):
how a party thinks about questions more than midterms, and
I think somebody's going to stand up running for president
in both political parties and say I don't think we
should send one more dollar to Israel. I don't think
they've been good allies. I don't think they've been good friends.
And if someone makes that argument, how do you think
they'll be perceived in the Republican Party? Following the research
you did on Kirk's own evolution.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Is that the that the Gates campaign slogan in twenty.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Eight I'm happy here, man.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
I think I think, I mean, you know, I mean,
I think it'll be a fight, but I guess I think,
you know, there's a ton of different cross cutting impulses
and trends, but I do think it's gonna be really
hard to change young people's minds. It's like you clearly
have a generation of people who, for a really wide
(10:55):
variety of reasons, I think, are very very hostile to this,
to the Israeli govern really dislike what they're doing. Also,
as you say, I think a lot of people who
maybe even are don't really care what Israel is doing.
And Gaza felt that didn't like the attack on Iran,
and so you know, I guess I'm not sure it's
always I mean, there's a sort of truism in American
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politics that ultimately in elections, really nobody cares about foreign policy.
And it seems really wildly unlikely that like this of
all things, is going to be the main issue in
primary politics in twenty twenty eight. But I wouldn't have
predicted it was going to be such a huge issue
in both parties. Right now, we're in the race for
mayor of New York, and there's clearly something going on
that has sort of put something going on here because
(11:38):
and I think it also relates to the campus protests,
Like a lot of this is a lot of fights
that are happening inside America between Americans that are kind
of projecting onto this conflict in another country that isn't
really about our problems, and.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It does, I think, open up a lot of other
questions about just generally how people think about our engagements
throughout the Middle East, throughout Asia, throughout Central Asia. But
it's a fascinating piece. I encourage everyone to check it out.
Final question for you, Ben Smith, how have your readers
reacted to the piece?
Speaker 7 (12:08):
You know, I think our readers are just like most
people trying to figure out what the heck is going
on in Washington and appreciate any clue they can get.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well wonderful. We're glad you're giving it to them. I
encouraged folks to check it out. Ben Smith, the editor
in chief of seven four, Thanks for joining us on
the program.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Thanks for having me, Matt.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And coming up. There is a government funding battle brewing
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So this will not be a partisan cr It will
be a clean, short term, continuing resolution.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
End of story.
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And it's interesting to me that some of the same
Democrats who decried government shutdowns under President Biden appear to
have no heartache whatsoever walk in our nation off that.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Cliff inspiring stuff. Really, even the people behind the Speaker
of the House seemed uninspired and potentially bored. Today, House
Republicans released their stopgap bill to fund the government through
November twentieth. The proposal maintains current spending levels and adds
thirty million dollars for security for members of Congress and
fifty eight million dollars to boost protection for the Supreme
(15:31):
Court and the Executive Branch. In the wake of Charlie
Kirk's assassination, Speaker Johnson said Democrats were quote openly pining
for a government shutdown close quote as if that will
be a win. Some Democrats have made demands in exchange
for their vote. This includes repealing major portions of the
One Big Beautiful Bill Act, reversing the Medicaid reforms, and
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certainly they want to reverse the cuts to taxpayer benefits
for illegal aliens. Good luck with that. So, with the
September thirtieth DA deadline quickly approaching, President Trump is urging
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this week close quote Will Republicans come together or will
conservative hold outs put some sort of pressure on this
(16:16):
stop gap? Joining us now is Arizona Congressman and former
Navy Seal Eli Crane. Thank you for joining us, Congressman.
I want to get to all the action on Capitol Hill,
But as much as people throughout the world and in
our country are hurting over the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
it seems to ring a little louder in Arizona, where
your family lives, where Charlie Kirk's family was living where
(16:38):
he was building the Turning Point Empire. I want your
reaction to this terrible assassination.
Speaker 10 (16:46):
Well, Matt, like everybody else, I was completely devastated. Charlie
was a friend of mine, he was a mentor as well.
I'm not surprised that, you know, there was somebody out there,
you know, willing to assassinate a guy like Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
You know, this is something that you know, I've been warning.
Speaker 10 (17:08):
Others about for a long long time as we've seen
the left become more radicalized. And it's it's just heartbreaking
because at the end of the day, all Charlie wanted
to do was have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
He repeatedly said.
Speaker 10 (17:20):
And many interviews that you know, violence often rupts when
two sides quit talking to each other, and so Charlie
wanted to continue to do that. And you know, I
just one of the most intelligent guys I've ever met
in my life.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I remember.
Speaker 10 (17:37):
You and I did an event with Charlie and Prescott
Arizona probably about a year year and a half ago,
and you know, just being able to be in in
the room and you know, listen to you guys debate
about you know what President Trump should do to close
up his own election. And you know, it was just
it was It was amazing and awesome. And one thing
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also about Charlie is that he was the guy that
would be one of the first to pick up the
phone and call you when you were down and encourage you.
And it's one of the reasons I loved him so much.
But I also loved the fact that he was so
committed to seeking truth and to going into institutions like
academia that many of us had written off a long
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time ago. You know, he just had a vision that
a lot of people couldn't see, and he had, you know,
the the drive and the discipline to actually execute on
that vision, you know, and he made believers out of
a lot of us. And you know, I think, uh,
you know, we're gonna miss him. But I also think that,
you know, his movement is going.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
To continue to grow.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Just looking at some of the comments from Erica, his wife,
saying that she's gonna make Turning Point even greater and
bigger than it ever was when Charlie was alive. And
then you it's not just words, you see, you know
how many new Turning Point chapters have opened up you know,
since he was assassinated last week, it's in the tens
of thousands, and it's you know, it's a sad, you know, sad,
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sad time for our country. And one of the things
that you know, just was the hardest to watch is
if that wasn't bad enough to watch, is watching radical
leftists celebrate his death. I mean, it's just almost beyond comprehension, no.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Question about it. You know a great deal about being
in a contested environment as a former Navy seal, and
I always struggled as a congressman, balancing security against the
desire to be close to people, to not feel like
there were barriers between a representative and those they intend
to serve. You talk about the town halls that you
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hold in the Cowboy Church in Prescott, Arizona. Charlie joined you,
I joined you. How are you thinking about security in
this government funding bill? There's enhanced dollars for security. Are
we getting to a stage of politics now where we
have to start sacrificing more of that that intimacy and
(20:09):
sincerity that we get in small group settings with people
who agree with us and don't agree with us.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, I mean we absolutely are.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
I mean I can tell you there's a real concern
up here in a buzz on Capitol Hill that I
would say is even bipartisan. But right now, I think
Republicans are definitely, you know, filling.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
The majority of that.
Speaker 10 (20:30):
You know where you know, as you mentioned, Matt, when
you're out campaigning and talking to voters, your objective is
to connect with them and to hear them, and so
you want to be able to get close to them.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And then you see things like this happen.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
You saw the assassination attempts on the president, and a
lot of voters are very concerned. I heard one, you know,
voter say that he's actually had to move because the
threats got so bad and that there were two open investigations.
You know, I would I think there were counter terrorist
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investigations open because individuals had threatened his grandchildren. And so
this is the political environment that we live in, and
you know, it's not how it ever should be. But
when you see what happened last week, and then you
see the celebration from you know, many many on the left,
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there's no way around it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, there is extra funding for security in this legislation
that you'll be considering, but not really much else in
terms of any change or programmatic reform. Bring us inside
the discussions that House Republicans in the majority are having
about what the options are, what the demands are from Democrats,
and how you see us ensuring that we that we
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don't have a really bad economic event occur in the country.
Speaker 10 (21:56):
Yeah, well, obviously, you know, I think most republic Loans
you know, want to support the administration and the president.
We definitely don't want to see the government shut down
while we're in.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Charge of it.
Speaker 10 (22:10):
I know that there are some frustrations, you know, from
many in the party that we just continue to kick
the can down the road regarding fiscal irresponsibility and just
continuing to spend at levels that we have in the past,
which are you know, way beyond our means. And so
you know, there's a lot of back and forth going
on right now. As you know, this is the play
(22:31):
call right now is a short term stop gap or
cr to get us you know, into no late into November,
and I think you know that's where you're going to
see the possibility of an omnibus or mini buses and uh,
you know, it's it's going to be interesting that it's
going to be interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It is interesting how Democrats are reacting to this because
they voted for these types of bills under Joe Biden.
Now they're base seems to be putting a lot of
pressure on them to force some kind of shut down
or extract some political pound of flesh, when that's not
really how the system is set up right now with
Republican majorities in the House and Senate. When you peek
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over the fence line into the into your neighbor's backyard,
over into the Democratic Party, what are the pressures that
some of those members are under.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Well, you know, I'm just I can only give my perspective,
but I do think there's a perspective to stop this
president this administration at every single turn that they possibly can.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And so that's something that they're going to have.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
To deal with, you know, within their own party and
everything that comes along with that.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, well, I know after this past week's events, you'll
be hugging your family a little tighter. I certainly have.
Please give all the cranes the best from the gates
is and we are incredibly proud of the work you're
doing on Capitol Hill. Arizona Congressman el I crane.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Thanks brother, appreciate it.
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Today, FBI Director Cash Pattel answered questions before the Senate
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Take a listen.
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What I am doing is protecting this country, providing historic
your force, and combating the weaponization.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Of intelligence by the likes of Europe.
Speaker 13 (28:40):
And we have tutlessly proven you to be a lawyer
in Russia Gate in January sixth. You are the biggest
brought to ever since the United States Senate.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Disgrace to this.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Time and an utter callard.
Speaker 12 (28:54):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
I'm not surprised that.
Speaker 13 (28:57):
You continue to lie from your perch and put on
a show so you can go raise money for your
charoo You are political buffoon at best. Well, you can
take that the FBI is protecting the country stateside California historic.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Report joining us a break down. Director Patel's testimony is
former FBI special agent Jonathan Gilliam. So, Jonathan, he got
pretty sporty with Corey Booker and Adam Schiff. What was
your reaction?
Speaker 14 (29:32):
Well, you know, so part of me loves that because
these people need to realize that they are nothing special.
I mean, they're most of the I mean, you know,
you've seen it firsthand. A lot of these people up
there are narcissistic, altruistic psychopaths, many of them, and they
are astounded when somebody talks back to them and puts
(29:55):
them in their place. That part of me likes this.
But the other side of me, the FBI, the professional side.
You know, when it was Moeller and Komi and Christopher
Ray that were up there and the Republicans would ask
a difficult question, those lackeys could always count on the
(30:17):
Democrats to block for them, and I would like to
see that here. I would like to see the Republican
group of politicians up there take place in this and
actually block for cash Betel because he's doing what.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
We hired them to do.
Speaker 14 (30:35):
But when he alone is the one that's up there
going back and forth with these individuals, it really, in
a lot of ways cheapens his professionalism and it gets
into a point where it's really not about transparency. It
becomes a back and forth and a personal issue between them,
and I think it takes away from the seriousness of
(30:58):
what is happening in Washington, DC and what needs to
be done in the FBI.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
So that's where I.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Don't like it, and we would all probably prefer a
forum where reasonable questions were asked and reasonable answers were given.
But I remember being at that DIAS asking questions and
feeling the frustration of not getting direct answers from the
aforementioned Comy and Mueller. How do you think people inside
(31:24):
the FBI are reacting to today's testimony and do they
pay attention to these things? I always wonder do the
agents out in the country say, well, Gosh, the FBI
director is testifying, I really want to tune in, or
are they just busy with their work.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Well most of the time, they're just busy with the work.
Speaker 14 (31:39):
I mean, look, most of these testimonies in the past
have been lackluster or lack of any luster whatsoever. They
have been boring, and they stretch the details. For instance,
I remember seeing Comy come up and say, or Mueller
doing the same thing, saying that we had over a
thousand terrorism investigations at one time, and everybody with him
(32:02):
and Hall over that. But the reality was, yes, there
aren't a thousand investigations at any given time, but only
about a half dozen of those actually turn out to
be anything serious. Now, I don't care you know what
people think about that, whether oh it's just six versus
one thousand, but those are statistics that Congress needs to know.
And so now that we see this, I think that
(32:25):
FBI agents look at this and they think it's a
waste of time. Really, they look at it the same
way it was before, where there wasn't information being given.
Now we see somebody trying to give information, but they're
getting into these big arguments, and as soon as that occurs,
the professionals and the bureau just turn away and say,
let's just continue with our work.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I know Cash well, I know he has such a
natural gravity toward transparency, getting information out. Of course, in
law enforcement you also have to protect information at times
to preserve the integrity of investigations. How did you think
about those questions when you had major matters that you
were analyzing, weighing the public's desire to maybe know about
(33:07):
something against what you have to do to ensure that
justice is done.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Well, Look, transparency.
Speaker 14 (33:14):
I think what's important to the United States and American
citizenry when it comes to transparency with the FBI and
the DOJ is knowing that they're not going to do
what they did before that we can now trust them,
and so that type of transparency I think is very important.
As Cash gives out the details about these people who
have been fired, for instance, right they're not being fired
(33:34):
because he's having its retribution. They're being fired because they
took part in really criminal behavior within the FBI based
on political maneuvering, and.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
That needs to be shown.
Speaker 14 (33:48):
That's the transparency we need to see when it comes
to these other things like what's happening with the shooting
of Charlie Kirk, the murder of Charlie Kirk, we need
to know some details. We don't need to know everything
that's happening. And I think that kind of got Cash
in trouble when this was unfolding and he was sending
posts out on X that I don't look at is transparent.
(34:12):
I think that right there is where Cash needs a
step back and say, Okay, let's do the job and
the things that the American public need to know so
they can have trust and understand what's happening.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
That's where he needs to focus his attention.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
The core critique that Cash Pttel made of the FBI
is that it had fallen victim to mission creep. Then
rather than going after the bad guys pursuing investigations, there
was all this desire for information control and predictive type work.
If you had to articulate what you think ought to
be like the core mission core focus of the FBI,
(34:49):
how do you see it?
Speaker 14 (34:51):
I think the leftist ideological criminal enterprise, as I termed
it lice, needs to be destroyed, and they have systematically
taken over the leadership and inner management of all the agencies,
not just the FBI. I believe this ideology is the
same ideology that killed Charlie Kirk that killed several kids,
(35:15):
and the Catholic Catholic school shooting, and it's what has
destroyed all these agencies.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
I think we have an opening.
Speaker 14 (35:22):
Now because of what's occurred, that they can start that
we have enough evidence to start looking into these things.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
And I'm telling you, Matt.
Speaker 14 (35:29):
I would not doubt if this circled all the way
back around to these people, these judges, these FBI agents,
all these people that have been running the government, these politicians,
that they were involved in some way, shape or form.
So I think as he concentrates on things that need
to change in the Bureau, Yes, mission creep, I understand,
(35:50):
and that happens.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
To the best of them.
Speaker 14 (35:52):
But the reality is, what seriously is the biggest national
security threat that exists in this nation exists in the
Bureau still, and that's this leftist ideology that goes far
beyond just that's who I prefer politically. They literally do
things like manufacture evidence all kinds of lies and things
(36:13):
in obstructing justice for their ideological movement forward. It's more
accune to terrorism than it is to crime fighting.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
People will think that that's hyperbole, but that actually happened
Kevin Kleinsmith, an actual FBI employee, was changing the content
of evidence to try to justify surveillance against President Trump
and people around him and his campaign. And so it
is so sad to have to reflect on it that way.
But Cash does seem to be endeavoring on this rather diligently.
(36:46):
What grade would you give him? And if you had
to give him one piece of advice, what would it be?
Speaker 14 (36:50):
Well, listen, we're only you know, we're not even a
year in there yet I've disagreed with a lot of
the things that they did right off the bat. I
would give him grade of A of allowing law enforcement
to do their job. But I don't know what he's
done to stop this leftist ideological movement that's a national
(37:11):
security issue, So I don't know what great If I
grade him on what he's shown me and what I've
seen by evidence that the left is running scared, I
would give him an F on that because I don't
think he's done enough to target that, and we don't
know that, and that's really.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
What bothers me the most. So I would lie.
Speaker 14 (37:30):
If I could advise him and tell him, I would
say two things. One step away from social media. Him
and Dan both they need to step away, Dan Bongino,
step away, stop using the big words and phrases.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
The public is not interested in that. What we're interested
in is results.
Speaker 14 (37:45):
The second thing I would tell him is turn your
focus to the left, not for retribution, but for confirmation
that they are involved in subverting this nation, which is
a crime, and trying to overthrow the government, which is
a crime. And if they can start going down that
way and get a little bit of evidence, they can
open more and more avenues of cases to go forward
(38:08):
and actually stop this forward movement before Trump is out
of office. And I don't know what's going to happen then,
So that would be my biggest advice to him. He
can do it, and I think that he is in
a position to actually make probably the biggest change in
this nation going forward.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
If he concentrates on that.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
It absolutely has to happen. One of those cases is
indeed against California Senator Adam Schiff, and as I was
watching Shift's performative little moment today, it really made me
think that guy could be scared that that justice could
be approaching him based on some of his conduct that
already we've seen the FBI indicators of some interest to them.
(38:52):
Jonathan Gilliam, former FBI Special Agent, thanks as always for
joining the program and sharing your expertise. You got it man,
Thank you and coming up. One of the worst governors
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Today.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Tonight we explore the curious case of Minnesota Governor Tim Walls.
He was Kamala Harris's failed pick to be vice president.
He's mostly known for policies demanding tampons and boys' bathrooms.
He also said this about his military.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Record, and I deployed in support of operation and during Freedom.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
My battalion provided.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Based security throughout the European theater from Turkey to England.
In the early stages of the war in Afghanistan. I
stood one night in the dark of night on the
tarmac at Bogram and watched a military ramp ceremony. And
if you've seen it, which these folks many have, unfortunately
you don't leave the same.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
The only problem is that much of what Walls says
about his military record constitute blatant lies. Wall's never heard
any shots fired in anger in Afghanistan. I call it
stolen valor. He called it bad memory. Right. The breaking
news tonight is that Tim Walls is running for a
third term as governor of Minnesota. This is like failing
the group project twice but insisting you're really prepared the
(42:32):
third time. Let's just pause and admire the gall here.
Most people, after torching the house twice don't ask for
keys the third time. But Walls, oh No. Wall spent
years selling Minnesotan's on the idea that he is this
Midwestern moderate coach Walls, except that every time he opens
his mouth, the policies sound like they were sent in
directly from San Francisco or copied off of AOC's X feed.
(42:56):
Tim Walls is about as moderate as a bookstore in Portland.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Queer Heart.
Speaker 11 (43:01):
If that ends up in here, all these teenagers are
gonna come in for their Queer Heart and it won't
be there for them.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Remember how he handled COVID. It was a masterclass, shutting
down small businesses like they were enemy combatants. Well, big
box doores stayed open because apparently the virus takes Union
coffee breaks inside of target. Grandma couldn't get her hair done,
but Walmart was wide open because you know science. And
then came the George Floyd riots. Also Minnesota. Walls couldn't
(43:31):
decide if he was running a state or auditioning for
a role in Confused Dad and a bad sitcom. Businesses burned,
people begged for help. What did Walls do? He wrung
his hands and said he was giving space to grieve,
space to grieve. Minneapolis didn't get the space. They got
matches and Molotov cocktails.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
On his watch.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Minneapolis turned into the Hunger Games minus the glamour and
Walls he got the law and order instincts that you
typically see in a yoga instructor. More cops. No, Instead,
they try to community listening sessions because nothing stops a
carjacker like a PowerPoint presentation on restorative justice. Oh and education,
Minnesota used to pride itself on schools. Under Walls, kids
(44:15):
can't read, can't do math, but they've sped up gender
theory and climate panic. Forget algebra, little Johnny. Just memorize
your pronouns and recycle that soda can while getting your
tampon dispensed in the boys' bathroom. That's how you'll prepare
for the future in Tim Walls's Minnesota. Minnesota doesn't need
a third helping of Tim Walls. What they need is
(44:36):
leadership that actually bleeds in freedom, law and order, and
letting people keep the money they earn. With us now,
Minnesota based journalist and columnist for townhall dot Com Dustin Grage. So, Dustin,
tell us, what's your reaction to Governor Wall seeing a
third term.
Speaker 15 (44:53):
Honestly, a lot of us are really surprised. Over the
last month. There's actually been quite a few changes in
the race here on the ground for the Republicans because
we've honestly had the assumption for a little while that
he wasn't going to run, so jumping in over the
last week and a half here, there's been sudden shifts
in that. So we are a little surprised because there's really,
(45:14):
honestly never been a more vulnerable time to run as
a Democrat in the state. And I know, like it
is a blue state and all, but to put Walls
in this case, all this political capital on the line
here right now when he is still looking at twenty
twenty eight. So if he loses here and now, I mean,
we can ship those promises for him down the line gone.
(45:36):
So he's really staking all his political capital on seeking
reelection here. So it's going to put himself at risk
for twenty twenty eight. And you know what I'm here
for because we want to election.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Are you telling me that after getting demolished as the
like number two to and number two, Tim Walls believes
he could run for president of the United States.
Speaker 15 (45:58):
Well, there's no question about it. He's been prepped for
this for a long time. He still thinks he has them.
He's a little bit of a narcissist in that manner,
but you know I'm here for it. But at the
end of the day, right now, the focus is Minnesota
and electing some Republicans in this state. But if we
can take out a bird, two birds, one stone, you know,
(46:18):
I'm all here for two and we could squash out
Jazz hands early.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
I'm here for Oh, you're totally wrong about that, Dustin.
I am here for the Tim Walls twenty twenty eight. Democrats,
please nominate Tim Walls in twenty twenty eight. It's Joe
Biden without the charisma. But I do want to know
about this upcoming governor's race and what issues you think
Republicans might exploit and run on to take a reliably
(46:42):
blue state and put it in play for the governor's mansion.
Speaker 15 (46:45):
No question about it. And why I'm zooming here from outside.
We're at actually had a gun range here tonight where
we're receive five of the gubernatorial candidates here speaking tonight
to delegates, So we're going to get a little early
snapshot of that. But the big issue, honestly, in my opinion,
is going to be in the state of Minnesota. We
have had some massive issues with fraud, well over a
billion dollars of documented fraud, and I'm told that some
(47:09):
legislators were just coming out of committee today where they
found out that there's actually even more fraud beyond that
one billion dollars. Most of your listeners are probably familiar
with beating our future. That fraud scheme alone was two
hundred and fifty million dollars, the largest code fraud scheme
in the country. There's a lot more fraud to come,
and ultimately it all, it all happened right under Tim
(47:32):
Walls's nose. This is the guy who actually oversaw all
the agencies that oversaw that fraud scheme. They questioned him
in the last midterms and he ended up getting away
with it because we have a complicit media a year
in Minnesota, but since he's gone on the national stage,
we actually had platforms here where we can actually get
this news out to the voters and actually give them
(47:52):
informed decisions next time. And ultimately, the combination of all
these things together, I'm really looking forward to these midterms
going up against him again.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Well, it's really interesting that you identified that issue because
it would cut across party lines. Whether you're a Republican,
Democrat or independent, you typically don't like a government system
that allows people to steal money from you, And if
Walls has been tolerant of that, that could be something
that gets people thinking a little differently than they maybe
did in prior elections. But it's the culture wars. I
(48:21):
want to ask you this next question about because Walls
seem to really lean into the virtue signaling to the
left with things like allowing tampons and boys bathrooms. Has
he eased back off of that like Gavin Newsom has
or do you see him doubling down?
Speaker 15 (48:38):
You know, the one good thing you can well, at
least in terms of like just political speak, Gavin Newsom
understands reality. He does back off on a lot of
these issues when they do come up. Gavenu centem that
actually leading the way in terms of blue states from
they actually had to back off on giving free healthcare
(48:58):
to illegal aliens. It took Tim Walls an additional month
to figure that message out, and he ultimately did figure
it out at the end because it was that unpopular
of a ninety ten issue. But these other ones he
really doesn't want to budget. All Republicans are pushing back
on the trans sanctuary state issue, especially with the school
shooting that's arrived here in Minnesota, especially with this other
(49:20):
news that, of course Charlie Kirk was assassinated by an
individual who was dating a transferry. So these issues are
going to be at the forefront of Minnesota because of
the trans sanctuary state issue. It's being pushed back against Republicans.
Recently in the Senate, they're actually asking for a toxology
(49:40):
report of the individual who ended up shooting up that church,
So they're actually trying to get more information on Hey,
what is the cause of these shootings? Could it possibly
be that we are a trans sanctuary state and maybe
this is actually the issue at hand. So Republicans are
going at the root cause, and ultimately in that committee hearing,
(50:02):
we actually had Republicans being shouted down in committee wow
while those questions were being asked. So there there's going
to be a massive culture war issue in this race,
and that's going to be right at the forefront in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Really has been at the forefront. Minnesota was a sanctuary
for a great deal of Somali refugees during the Clinton years.
I don't know that folks who were in Minnesota before
that would view that as a really positive development.
Speaker 6 (50:27):
For the state.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
So if then, if the next iteration is to become
a sanctuary for the transsexuals, I guess we wish you luck,
but we would hope that it wouldn't be under Tim
Walls's continued leadership as governor. Dustin Grage, a contributor a
writer at town hall dot com. Thanks so much for
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That was President Trump announcing one of his top economic advisors,
Stephen Moran, has joined the Federal Reserve's governing board. Yesterday,
the Senate voted narrowly forty eight to forty seven to
confirm him. Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska was the only
Republican who voted against that confirmation. It's the first time
in ninety years that a sitting White House official will
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(53:54):
Federal Reserve begins a two day policy meeting today in
Wall Street. You got a lot of folks expect that
first rate cut in more than nine months. Markets are
betting on a quarter point reduction, with traders pricing in
the possibility of further easing before year's end. Supporters of
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(54:15):
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while encouraging investment and consumer spending. A rate cut could
also ease strains on the housing market, where high mortgage
rates have really sidelined buyers. Joining us now to discuss
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the program. The administration seems to be really beckoning a
(54:37):
rate cut. What are you planning for?
Speaker 16 (54:39):
Well, I think the market has priced a twenty five
basis point rate cut tomorrow, the future's market. That's a
done deal at this point. But what really matters, Matt,
is what Jerome Powell says in that press conference at
two thirty pm. What does he hint? Is he hinting
at two more rate cuts?
Speaker 6 (54:55):
One more?
Speaker 16 (54:56):
What does that look like? Because when something's already priced
and it can't possibly benefit us, it's it's the sixth
straight meeting where they've made excuses. They've pointed the finger
at Trump, they've talked about terraff inflation, this, terrorf inflation that,
and they haven't expected accepted responsibility.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
When we look at the opportunities for more liquidity with
a rate cut. What are the markets that you expect
will see the biggest impact. Will it be housing, will
it be investment? Where do you think the money goes Well.
Speaker 16 (55:26):
I think it's going to lock a lot of housing
origination on the sidelines. I don't think it's necessarily necessarily inflationary.
What I think is going to end up happening is
you've had about one million fewer homeowner originations in America
this year than they had four years ago. And that's
really squarely at the feet of Jerome Powell for keeping
mortgage rates and interest rates near twenty five year highs.
And so I expect a lot of people, a lot
(55:47):
of single young men to actually look at that woman
in their lives and say, look, it's time to get married.
We can now afford a home. We can now build
this life that we are destined to live. And that's
what Jerome Powell can do by bringing rates down on
to a more natural level.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
How many raid cuts do you think we get in
twenty twenty six?
Speaker 16 (56:05):
Gosh, I think, Matt, we could get upwards of four
to five cuts in twenty twenty six if Jerome Powell
does the right thing. Let's not forget though, his last
meeting is going to be May, so there's an opportunity
for the next FED share to really bring down rates
in a way that's consistent with the fundamentals.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Will this changes in rates impact the trade policy deficits
and how much the Trump administration is able to bring
on tariffs.
Speaker 16 (56:29):
Well, not necessarily directly. I think what's happened so far
this year, Matt, is that the FED has held rates hostage,
held the economy hostage by pointing the blame on Trump,
essentially saying, look, if you continue this trade war, we're
going to have to keep rates high because of the tariffs.
When the tariffs didn't actually increase inflation, they're now being
forced to lower rates. And so what I expect is
the President to continue to solve the conundrum of the
(56:51):
century to bring in record tariff revenue upwards of two
hundred billion now and in the face of inflation that's
not at the Fed's target, but below the Fed's target, Matt.
Since President Trump took off this headline, CPI is annualized
one point nine percent. Compare that to Biden's five point
three in his four years of economic tyranny.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
I really think these decisions are going to be pretty
dispositive on how people are feeling about the economy in
the midterms. If there's more liquidity, more deals, businesses are growing,
very good news for the Republicans. If these RAID cuts
aren't being felt by that time, I think that it'll
be because Jerome Powell was too late. But appreciate you
coming on and discuss. James fishback, the CEO of Azoria
(57:32):
always pleasure.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
Thanks Matt.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
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Israel is on the offensive in Gaza. We'll explore how
that is playing in American politics with Semaphorre's Ben Smith.
Arizona Congressman Eli Crane is here to take on all
the action on Capitol Hill. FBI Director Cash Ptel gave
electric testimony in the Senate. We've got all the highlights
and we'll go into how expected interest rate cuts will
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
We're breaking the fever.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Do you haven't watch this guy on television.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's like a machine.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He's great. Matt Gates, we have breaking news tonight on
the military campaign Israel is waging in Gaza. Today, Israel
intensified its operations with a full scale ground offensive into
Gaza City, marking the main phase of its campaign against Hamas.
Israel's Defense Minister Israel Katz declared, Gaza is burning. What
(00:56):
a statement this all happened? As Israeli's defense for to
say their objectives include dismantling Hamas infrastructure and securing the
release of hostages. Two divisions of IDF soldiers are pushing
deeper into Gaza City as we're having this discussion. Estimates
suggests there are two to three thousand Hamas fighters that
remain inside the city. They use a network of tunnels
(01:18):
and hardened positions. The military has ordered mass evacuations from
northern Gaza, with hundreds of thousands of people fleeing southward,
though many are trapped by the chaos. They have limited
safe routes and certainly a lack of resources. The death
toll in Gaza continues to rise sharply. In the latest
twenty four hour period, dozens of civilians were killed, including children.
(01:41):
Hospitals are overwhelmed. Diplomatic pressure is increasing. US Secretary of
State Marco Rubio has called for urgency in negotiations, warning
that a window for a truce is narrowing. Arab states
are voicing strong opposition. This comes after Israel bombed Doha, Qatar.
That is a country that graciously houses US troops, some
(02:02):
of whom are from the district in Congress I used
to represent in North Florida. But it isn't just Arab
states critical of Israel's latest belligerent moves. Vice President JD
Vance told us exclusively on our program. The President Trump
believes what Israel's doing isn't helpful.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
He doesn't think this serves Israel's interests or the United
States's interests, and so he's not happy about.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It, even normally chastened Sweden. Sweden is criticizing Israel. In
a post on ex their foreign Minister Maria Malmer said
her government was quote deeply critical of the intensified military
offensive in Gaza that is now being carried out Sweden
off the top ropes. The Gaza Health Ministry is now
reporting over sixty thousand Palestinians killed, most of them civilians,
(02:46):
since the conflict began in twenty twenty three. Tens of
thousands more are injured. Many are trapped under the rubble
of bombed out neighborhoods. We don't know whether to believe
the Gaza Health Ministry on the overall numbers, but we
certainly know that a lot of people have died. Infrastructure
has been destroyed, Hospitals, water sanitation systems, schools, and maternity
wards are damaged or non functional. Millions of people have
(03:09):
been displaced. Many lack access to clean water, food, or
basic medical care. That'll probably be the cohort of humans
that produces the next generation of terrorists. That's deeply, deeply regrettable.
Charlie Kirk shared what he believed Israel's goals were in
Gaza just before his death.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
But the fact is now, Bibie and the Israeli hard
right government has a mandate. I gotta be careful the
way I say this too. They're going to try to
ethnically cleanse Gaza. I mean's and I don't use that
term lightly.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Semaphore has a great new peace out. Regarding how Charlie
Kirk was dealing with the Israel divide among Republicans, according
to the piece, quote to older friends of Israel, Kirk
was a potential problem. He was a young man who
seemed to be feeling the pull of his Jet generation,
which is across parties critical of Israel's war in Gaza.
(04:04):
Continuing in the Semaphore piece, they write, every time he
spoke about something he disagreed with Israel about, he would
be attacked by his Jewish donors and the pro Israel community,
and it drove him crazy. Close quote the author of
that piece, Ben Smith, is the editor in chief of Semaphore,
and he joins me, Now, Ben, I'm curious what got
(04:25):
you interested in Charlie Kirk's views on Israel and how
you know did that how did you what did you
learn in the process of putting this piece together?
Speaker 7 (04:35):
You know, I guess it's to me one of the
really striking things is the extent to which the Israel
Palace on conflict kind of of all things is really
this central wedge in both political parties. And you know,
and after Kirk's assassination, I know, I just saw and
heard his friends on both sides of that divide really
(04:57):
kind of arguing very heatedly about which, you know, which
side he'd been on. And I think actually what you found,
what I heard was that people both who are critics
of Israel and people who you know are great lovers
of Israel, both really saying and I think believing that
Kirk was with them.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And I wonder, can you be both? I mean, can
you love Israel? Can you want good things to happen
for the Jewish people, but at the same time be
critical of some of the incarnations of the Nets and
Yahoo government Or does today's politics around this question really
not allow for that type of nuance.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
I mean, I think that's a great question. I mean
I think lots of political figures, lots of Democrats kind
of spent their careers in that place, right like Jerry Nadler,
your former colleague, you know, very staunch friend of Israel.
I think widely seen also very hostile to Likud governments.
But that is as obviously changed in the last year,
and I think partly because young people in both parties
(05:55):
are so intensely hostile to Israel. And what I think,
you know, people who talk to Kirk about this said
to me it was just that he was feeling, you know,
pressure from all sorts of places, but also just this
very intense pull from his audience, you know. And when
he was when he was on campuses, which was what
he spent a lot of his time doing, he was
he told people, who's getting forty to fifty percent of
(06:16):
all the questions were about Israel. He had asked a
couple of very vocal Israeli allies of the Israelis to
come and kind of brief him for and prepare him basically,
I think, in his view, to defend Israel from criticism
on these campuses, you know. But at the same time,
you know, I think he was very focused on holding
the Republican Party together, holding the conservative movement together, finding
(06:38):
a way to create a big tent that included people
who disagreed deeply on the question of Israel. Like, there's
not an obvious reason that that should that an American
political party shouldn't include people who have differing views on
things happening in other countries.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, and that wonder was his view. Yeah, because it
seems like what your piece really illuminates is that this
is a Republican versus Democrat divide. It is a divide
on this question of the US Israel relationship animated by
what you said, hostility among young people. Charlie Kirk was
principally talking to young people as his life's work, and
so there's a natural interface. What have you learned is
(07:17):
animating some of the animosity toward the nets and Yahoo
government among young people of the political right and political left.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
You know, I think that's such a sort of a
dangerous question because it is so many different things. I mean,
I think ranging from like I think people who are
paying tons of attention to what the net NAO government
is doing in Gaza and hate it, to people who
hate Jews, Like I would say that's the spectrum, and
it's a big spectrum. It includes lots of different people.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, and certainly we would reject any hatred that is
driven by someone's religious behathe or or their their cultural heritage.
But Israel is now on the offensive in Gaza as
we're having this conversation, how do you expect the reaction
to come from American political leaders who are sensitive to
(08:07):
this dynamic that you wrote about?
Speaker 7 (08:10):
You know, I think, I mean, I think you know,
I'm talking to you from New York City and which
is always you know, it's been a place where, like
you know, the mayor would typically visit like Dublin, Rome
and Israel right in Jerusalem, Like it's a very you know,
it's a city where support for Israel's is like baked
into the DNA of the politics. And you have a
candidate for mayor who's intensely critical of Israel's or un
Mumdani kind of longtime activists for the Palestinian cause, and
(08:34):
where I think a lot of his opponents attacked him
for being hostile to Israel and then kind of looked
at the polling and saw, oh, actually his position is
the more popular one, including with lots of Jews in
New York. So I mean, I think I think you're
seeing the landscape shift a lot. I think, particularly inside
the Democratic Party where it's I mean, I think you'll
see in like the twenty twenty eight Democratic primaries, there's
(08:55):
gonna be a really heated debate. I think you'll have
Democrats pushing for like a freeze in in sending weapons
to Israel, things like that, Neil Father. I mean, it's
going to be a very intense argument inside that party.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I mean, you're you're you know the Republican Party better
than I do. Do you think do you think that
this is sort of like anti Israel insurgency by the
youth can be is going to be put down? Or
do you think it's going to really change? The White
House is so pro Israel?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Well, I think President Trump has done more for Israel
than any president in quite some time. When you look
at some of the territorial issues and jurisdictional issues. He's
certainly been a defender of NETANYAHUU against some of the
ongoing judicial matters. But what I read, and I could
be wrong, is that a lot of young Americans deeply
resent this incarnation of the Israeli government drawing America into
(09:45):
conflicts where our interests are not clear and where the
blowback is pretty substantial and negative for our own people.
And I sense that Charlie faced that with young people too.
And you mentioned the Democrat Party going through those questions.
I think they have in prior election cycles, and it
is getting more intense. But I actually think that will
happen on the Republican side too. Presidential campaigns do shape
(10:09):
how a party thinks about questions more than midterms, and
I think somebody's going to stand up running for president
in both political parties and say I don't think we
should send one more dollar to Israel. I don't think
they've been good allies. I don't think they've been good friends.
And if someone makes that argument, how do you think
they'll be perceived in the Republican Party? Following the research
you did on Kirk's own evolution.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Is that the that the Gates campaign slogan in twenty.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Eight I'm happy here, man.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
I think I think, I mean, you know, I mean,
I think it'll be a fight, but I guess I think,
you know, there's a ton of different cross cutting impulses
and trends, but I do think it's gonna be really
hard to change young people's minds. It's like you clearly
have a generation of people who, for a really wide
(10:55):
variety of reasons, I think, are very very hostile to this,
to the Israeli govern really dislike what they're doing. Also,
as you say, I think a lot of people who
maybe even are don't really care what Israel is doing.
And Gaza felt that didn't like the attack on Iran,
and so you know, I guess I'm not sure it's
always I mean, there's a sort of truism in American
(11:16):
politics that ultimately in elections, really nobody cares about foreign policy.
And it seems really wildly unlikely that like this of
all things, is going to be the main issue in
primary politics in twenty twenty eight. But I wouldn't have
predicted it was going to be such a huge issue
in both parties. Right now, we're in the race for
mayor of New York, and there's clearly something going on
that has sort of put something going on here because
(11:38):
and I think it also relates to the campus protests,
Like a lot of this is a lot of fights
that are happening inside America between Americans that are kind
of projecting onto this conflict in another country that isn't
really about our problems, and.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It does, I think, open up a lot of other
questions about just generally how people think about our engagements
throughout the Middle East, throughout Asia, throughout Central Asia. But
it's a fascinating piece. I encourage everyone to check it out.
Final question for you, Ben Smith, how have your readers
reacted to the piece?
Speaker 7 (12:08):
You know, I think our readers are just like most
people trying to figure out what the heck is going
on in Washington and appreciate any clue they can get.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well wonderful. We're glad you're giving it to them. I
encouraged folks to check it out. Ben Smith, the editor
in chief of seven four, Thanks for joining us on
the program.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Thanks for having me, Matt.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And coming up. There is a government funding battle brewing
in Washington. There's a stopgap measure that Trump and congressional
leadership are urging members to get behind. Arizona Republican Congressman
Eli Crane is here next to tell us all about it.
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So this will not be a partisan cr It will
be a clean, short term, continuing resolution.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
End of story.
Speaker 9 (15:01):
And it's interesting to me that some of the same
Democrats who decried government shutdowns under President Biden appear to
have no heartache whatsoever walk in our nation off that.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Cliff inspiring stuff. Really, even the people behind the Speaker
of the House seemed uninspired and potentially bored. Today, House
Republicans released their stopgap bill to fund the government through
November twentieth. The proposal maintains current spending levels and adds
thirty million dollars for security for members of Congress and
fifty eight million dollars to boost protection for the Supreme
(15:31):
Court and the Executive Branch. In the wake of Charlie
Kirk's assassination, Speaker Johnson said Democrats were quote openly pining
for a government shutdown close quote as if that will
be a win. Some Democrats have made demands in exchange
for their vote. This includes repealing major portions of the
One Big Beautiful Bill Act, reversing the Medicaid reforms, and
(15:53):
certainly they want to reverse the cuts to taxpayer benefits
for illegal aliens. Good luck with that. So, with the
September thirtieth DA deadline quickly approaching, President Trump is urging
House Republicans to quote stick together to fight the radical
left demands and vote yes to pass a clean SAR
this week close quote Will Republicans come together or will
conservative hold outs put some sort of pressure on this
(16:16):
stop gap? Joining us now is Arizona Congressman and former
Navy Seal Eli Crane. Thank you for joining us, Congressman.
I want to get to all the action on Capitol Hill,
But as much as people throughout the world and in
our country are hurting over the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
it seems to ring a little louder in Arizona, where
your family lives, where Charlie Kirk's family was living where
(16:38):
he was building the Turning Point Empire. I want your
reaction to this terrible assassination.
Speaker 10 (16:46):
Well, Matt, like everybody else, I was completely devastated. Charlie
was a friend of mine, he was a mentor as well.
I'm not surprised that, you know, there was somebody out there,
you know, willing to assassinate a guy like Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
You know, this is something that you know, I've been warning.
Speaker 10 (17:08):
Others about for a long long time as we've seen
the left become more radicalized. And it's it's just heartbreaking
because at the end of the day, all Charlie wanted
to do was have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
He repeatedly said.
Speaker 10 (17:20):
And many interviews that you know, violence often rupts when
two sides quit talking to each other, and so Charlie
wanted to continue to do that. And you know, I
just one of the most intelligent guys I've ever met
in my life.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I remember.
Speaker 10 (17:37):
You and I did an event with Charlie and Prescott
Arizona probably about a year year and a half ago,
and you know, just being able to be in in
the room and you know, listen to you guys debate
about you know what President Trump should do to close
up his own election. And you know, it was just
it was It was amazing and awesome. And one thing
(17:59):
also about Charlie is that he was the guy that
would be one of the first to pick up the
phone and call you when you were down and encourage you.
And it's one of the reasons I loved him so much.
But I also loved the fact that he was so
committed to seeking truth and to going into institutions like
academia that many of us had written off a long
(18:21):
time ago. You know, he just had a vision that
a lot of people couldn't see, and he had, you know,
the the drive and the discipline to actually execute on
that vision, you know, and he made believers out of
a lot of us. And you know, I think, uh,
you know, we're gonna miss him. But I also think that,
you know, his movement is going.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
To continue to grow.
Speaker 10 (18:43):
Just looking at some of the comments from Erica, his wife,
saying that she's gonna make Turning Point even greater and
bigger than it ever was when Charlie was alive. And
then you it's not just words, you see, you know
how many new Turning Point chapters have opened up you know,
since he was assassinated last week, it's in the tens
of thousands, and it's you know, it's a sad, you know, sad,
(19:06):
sad time for our country. And one of the things
that you know, just was the hardest to watch is
if that wasn't bad enough to watch, is watching radical
leftists celebrate his death. I mean, it's just almost beyond comprehension, no.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Question about it. You know a great deal about being
in a contested environment as a former Navy seal, and
I always struggled as a congressman, balancing security against the
desire to be close to people, to not feel like
there were barriers between a representative and those they intend
to serve. You talk about the town halls that you
(19:48):
hold in the Cowboy Church in Prescott, Arizona. Charlie joined you,
I joined you. How are you thinking about security in
this government funding bill? There's enhanced dollars for security. Are
we getting to a stage of politics now where we
have to start sacrificing more of that that intimacy and
(20:09):
sincerity that we get in small group settings with people
who agree with us and don't agree with us.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, I mean we absolutely are.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
I mean I can tell you there's a real concern
up here in a buzz on Capitol Hill that I
would say is even bipartisan. But right now, I think
Republicans are definitely, you know, filling.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
The majority of that.
Speaker 10 (20:30):
You know where you know, as you mentioned, Matt, when
you're out campaigning and talking to voters, your objective is
to connect with them and to hear them, and so
you want to be able to get close to them.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And then you see things like this happen.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
You saw the assassination attempts on the president, and a
lot of voters are very concerned. I heard one, you know,
voter say that he's actually had to move because the
threats got so bad and that there were two open investigations.
You know, I would I think there were counter terrorist
(21:05):
investigations open because individuals had threatened his grandchildren. And so
this is the political environment that we live in, and
you know, it's not how it ever should be. But
when you see what happened last week, and then you
see the celebration from you know, many many on the left,
(21:26):
there's no way around it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, there is extra funding for security in this legislation
that you'll be considering, but not really much else in
terms of any change or programmatic reform. Bring us inside
the discussions that House Republicans in the majority are having
about what the options are, what the demands are from Democrats,
and how you see us ensuring that we that we
(21:51):
don't have a really bad economic event occur in the country.
Speaker 10 (21:56):
Yeah, well, obviously, you know, I think most republic Loans
you know, want to support the administration and the president.
We definitely don't want to see the government shut down
while we're in.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Charge of it.
Speaker 10 (22:10):
I know that there are some frustrations, you know, from
many in the party that we just continue to kick
the can down the road regarding fiscal irresponsibility and just
continuing to spend at levels that we have in the past,
which are you know, way beyond our means. And so
you know, there's a lot of back and forth going
on right now. As you know, this is the play
(22:31):
call right now is a short term stop gap or
cr to get us you know, into no late into November,
and I think you know that's where you're going to
see the possibility of an omnibus or mini buses and uh,
you know, it's it's going to be interesting that it's
going to be interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It is interesting how Democrats are reacting to this because
they voted for these types of bills under Joe Biden.
Now they're base seems to be putting a lot of
pressure on them to force some kind of shut down
or extract some political pound of flesh, when that's not
really how the system is set up right now with
Republican majorities in the House and Senate. When you peek
(23:14):
over the fence line into the into your neighbor's backyard,
over into the Democratic Party, what are the pressures that
some of those members are under.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Well, you know, I'm just I can only give my perspective,
but I do think there's a perspective to stop this
president this administration at every single turn that they possibly can.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And so that's something that they're going to have.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
To deal with, you know, within their own party and
everything that comes along with that.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, well, I know after this past week's events, you'll
be hugging your family a little tighter. I certainly have.
Please give all the cranes the best from the gates
is and we are incredibly proud of the work you're
doing on Capitol Hill. Arizona Congressman el I crane.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Thanks brother, appreciate it.
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If you want to work on bringing this country, it's
my time, not yours.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
My god, my god.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
If you want to talk about.
Speaker 12 (27:53):
This country, it is I follow you on your social
media posts.
Speaker 13 (28:02):
Try in this country, not time.
Speaker 12 (28:06):
For your Your time is over Committee, Sir, You don't
tell me my time is over? You know people, aren't
you tell me what my time is? You can't lecture me.
You can tell you my time.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
You want the American people to believe that.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Do you think they're stupid?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
No?
Speaker 11 (28:25):
I think the American people believe the truth that I'm
not in the weeds on the everyday movements of inmates.
Speaker 13 (28:31):
What I am doing is protecting this country, providing historic
your force, and combating the weaponization.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Of intelligence by the likes of Europe.
Speaker 13 (28:40):
And we have tutlessly proven you to be a lawyer
in Russia Gate in January sixth. You are the biggest
brought to ever since the United States Senate.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Disgrace to this.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Time and an utter callard.
Speaker 12 (28:54):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
I'm not surprised that.
Speaker 13 (28:57):
You continue to lie from your perch and put on
a show so you can go raise money for your
charoo You are political buffoon at best. Well, you can
take that the FBI is protecting the country stateside California historic.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Report joining us a break down. Director Patel's testimony is
former FBI special agent Jonathan Gilliam. So, Jonathan, he got
pretty sporty with Corey Booker and Adam Schiff. What was
your reaction?
Speaker 14 (29:32):
Well, you know, so part of me loves that because
these people need to realize that they are nothing special.
I mean, they're most of the I mean, you know,
you've seen it firsthand. A lot of these people up
there are narcissistic, altruistic psychopaths, many of them, and they
are astounded when somebody talks back to them and puts
(29:55):
them in their place. That part of me likes this.
But the other side of me, the FBI, the professional side.
You know, when it was Moeller and Komi and Christopher
Ray that were up there and the Republicans would ask
a difficult question, those lackeys could always count on the
(30:17):
Democrats to block for them, and I would like to
see that here. I would like to see the Republican
group of politicians up there take place in this and
actually block for cash Betel because he's doing what.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
We hired them to do.
Speaker 14 (30:35):
But when he alone is the one that's up there
going back and forth with these individuals, it really, in
a lot of ways cheapens his professionalism and it gets
into a point where it's really not about transparency. It
becomes a back and forth and a personal issue between them,
and I think it takes away from the seriousness of
(30:58):
what is happening in Washington, DC and what needs to
be done in the FBI.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
So that's where I.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Don't like it, and we would all probably prefer a
forum where reasonable questions were asked and reasonable answers were given.
But I remember being at that DIAS asking questions and
feeling the frustration of not getting direct answers from the
aforementioned Comy and Mueller. How do you think people inside
(31:24):
the FBI are reacting to today's testimony and do they
pay attention to these things? I always wonder do the
agents out in the country say, well, Gosh, the FBI
director is testifying, I really want to tune in, or
are they just busy with their work.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Well most of the time, they're just busy with the work.
Speaker 14 (31:39):
I mean, look, most of these testimonies in the past
have been lackluster or lack of any luster whatsoever. They
have been boring, and they stretch the details. For instance,
I remember seeing Comy come up and say, or Mueller
doing the same thing, saying that we had over a
thousand terrorism investigations at one time, and everybody with him
(32:02):
and Hall over that. But the reality was, yes, there
aren't a thousand investigations at any given time, but only
about a half dozen of those actually turn out to
be anything serious. Now, I don't care you know what
people think about that, whether oh it's just six versus
one thousand, but those are statistics that Congress needs to know.
And so now that we see this, I think that
(32:25):
FBI agents look at this and they think it's a
waste of time. Really, they look at it the same
way it was before, where there wasn't information being given.
Now we see somebody trying to give information, but they're
getting into these big arguments, and as soon as that occurs,
the professionals and the bureau just turn away and say,
let's just continue with our work.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I know Cash well, I know he has such a
natural gravity toward transparency, getting information out. Of course, in
law enforcement you also have to protect information at times
to preserve the integrity of investigations. How did you think
about those questions when you had major matters that you
were analyzing, weighing the public's desire to maybe know about
(33:07):
something against what you have to do to ensure that
justice is done.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Well, Look, transparency.
Speaker 14 (33:14):
I think what's important to the United States and American
citizenry when it comes to transparency with the FBI and
the DOJ is knowing that they're not going to do
what they did before that we can now trust them,
and so that type of transparency I think is very important.
As Cash gives out the details about these people who
have been fired, for instance, right they're not being fired
(33:34):
because he's having its retribution. They're being fired because they
took part in really criminal behavior within the FBI based
on political maneuvering, and.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
That needs to be shown.
Speaker 14 (33:48):
That's the transparency we need to see when it comes
to these other things like what's happening with the shooting
of Charlie Kirk, the murder of Charlie Kirk, we need
to know some details. We don't need to know everything
that's happening. And I think that kind of got Cash
in trouble when this was unfolding and he was sending
posts out on X that I don't look at is transparent.
(34:12):
I think that right there is where Cash needs a
step back and say, Okay, let's do the job and
the things that the American public need to know so
they can have trust and understand what's happening.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
That's where he needs to focus his attention.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
The core critique that Cash Pttel made of the FBI
is that it had fallen victim to mission creep. Then
rather than going after the bad guys pursuing investigations, there
was all this desire for information control and predictive type work.
If you had to articulate what you think ought to
be like the core mission core focus of the FBI,
(34:49):
how do you see it?
Speaker 14 (34:51):
I think the leftist ideological criminal enterprise, as I termed
it lice, needs to be destroyed, and they have systematically
taken over the leadership and inner management of all the agencies,
not just the FBI. I believe this ideology is the
same ideology that killed Charlie Kirk that killed several kids,
(35:15):
and the Catholic Catholic school shooting, and it's what has
destroyed all these agencies.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
I think we have an opening.
Speaker 14 (35:22):
Now because of what's occurred, that they can start that
we have enough evidence to start looking into these things.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
And I'm telling you, Matt.
Speaker 14 (35:29):
I would not doubt if this circled all the way
back around to these people, these judges, these FBI agents,
all these people that have been running the government, these politicians,
that they were involved in some way, shape or form.
So I think as he concentrates on things that need
to change in the Bureau, Yes, mission creep, I understand,
(35:50):
and that happens.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
To the best of them.
Speaker 14 (35:52):
But the reality is, what seriously is the biggest national
security threat that exists in this nation exists in the
Bureau still, and that's this leftist ideology that goes far
beyond just that's who I prefer politically. They literally do
things like manufacture evidence all kinds of lies and things
(36:13):
in obstructing justice for their ideological movement forward. It's more
accune to terrorism than it is to crime fighting.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
People will think that that's hyperbole, but that actually happened
Kevin Kleinsmith, an actual FBI employee, was changing the content
of evidence to try to justify surveillance against President Trump
and people around him and his campaign. And so it
is so sad to have to reflect on it that way.
But Cash does seem to be endeavoring on this rather diligently.
(36:46):
What grade would you give him? And if you had
to give him one piece of advice, what would it be?
Speaker 14 (36:50):
Well, listen, we're only you know, we're not even a
year in there yet I've disagreed with a lot of
the things that they did right off the bat. I
would give him grade of A of allowing law enforcement
to do their job. But I don't know what he's
done to stop this leftist ideological movement that's a national
(37:11):
security issue, So I don't know what great If I
grade him on what he's shown me and what I've
seen by evidence that the left is running scared, I
would give him an F on that because I don't
think he's done enough to target that, and we don't
know that, and that's really.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
What bothers me the most. So I would lie.
Speaker 14 (37:30):
If I could advise him and tell him, I would
say two things. One step away from social media. Him
and Dan both they need to step away, Dan Bongino,
step away, stop using the big words and phrases.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
The public is not interested in that. What we're interested
in is results.
Speaker 14 (37:45):
The second thing I would tell him is turn your
focus to the left, not for retribution, but for confirmation
that they are involved in subverting this nation, which is
a crime, and trying to overthrow the government, which is
a crime. And if they can start going down that
way and get a little bit of evidence, they can
open more and more avenues of cases to go forward
(38:08):
and actually stop this forward movement before Trump is out
of office. And I don't know what's going to happen then,
So that would be my biggest advice to him. He
can do it, and I think that he is in
a position to actually make probably the biggest change in
this nation going forward.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
If he concentrates on that.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
It absolutely has to happen. One of those cases is
indeed against California Senator Adam Schiff, and as I was
watching Shift's performative little moment today, it really made me
think that guy could be scared that that justice could
be approaching him based on some of his conduct that
already we've seen the FBI indicators of some interest to them.
(38:52):
Jonathan Gilliam, former FBI Special Agent, thanks as always for
joining the program and sharing your expertise. You got it man,
Thank you and coming up. One of the worst governors
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Today.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Tonight we explore the curious case of Minnesota Governor Tim Walls.
He was Kamala Harris's failed pick to be vice president.
He's mostly known for policies demanding tampons and boys' bathrooms.
He also said this about his military.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Record, and I deployed in support of operation and during Freedom.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
My battalion provided.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Based security throughout the European theater from Turkey to England.
In the early stages of the war in Afghanistan. I
stood one night in the dark of night on the
tarmac at Bogram and watched a military ramp ceremony. And
if you've seen it, which these folks many have, unfortunately
you don't leave the same.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
The only problem is that much of what Walls says
about his military record constitute blatant lies. Wall's never heard
any shots fired in anger in Afghanistan. I call it
stolen valor. He called it bad memory. Right. The breaking
news tonight is that Tim Walls is running for a
third term as governor of Minnesota. This is like failing
the group project twice but insisting you're really prepared the
(42:32):
third time. Let's just pause and admire the gall here.
Most people, after torching the house twice don't ask for
keys the third time. But Walls, oh No. Wall spent
years selling Minnesotan's on the idea that he is this
Midwestern moderate coach Walls, except that every time he opens
his mouth, the policies sound like they were sent in
directly from San Francisco or copied off of AOC's X feed.
(42:56):
Tim Walls is about as moderate as a bookstore in Portland.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Queer Heart.
Speaker 11 (43:01):
If that ends up in here, all these teenagers are
gonna come in for their Queer Heart and it won't
be there for them.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Remember how he handled COVID. It was a masterclass, shutting
down small businesses like they were enemy combatants. Well, big
box doores stayed open because apparently the virus takes Union
coffee breaks inside of target. Grandma couldn't get her hair done,
but Walmart was wide open because you know science. And
then came the George Floyd riots. Also Minnesota. Walls couldn't
(43:31):
decide if he was running a state or auditioning for
a role in Confused Dad and a bad sitcom. Businesses burned,
people begged for help. What did Walls do? He wrung
his hands and said he was giving space to grieve,
space to grieve. Minneapolis didn't get the space. They got
matches and Molotov cocktails.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
On his watch.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Minneapolis turned into the Hunger Games minus the glamour and
Walls he got the law and order instincts that you
typically see in a yoga instructor. More cops. No, Instead,
they try to community listening sessions because nothing stops a
carjacker like a PowerPoint presentation on restorative justice. Oh and education,
Minnesota used to pride itself on schools. Under Walls, kids
(44:15):
can't read, can't do math, but they've sped up gender
theory and climate panic. Forget algebra, little Johnny. Just memorize
your pronouns and recycle that soda can while getting your
tampon dispensed in the boys' bathroom. That's how you'll prepare
for the future in Tim Walls's Minnesota. Minnesota doesn't need
a third helping of Tim Walls. What they need is
(44:36):
leadership that actually bleeds in freedom, law and order, and
letting people keep the money they earn. With us now,
Minnesota based journalist and columnist for townhall dot Com Dustin Grage. So, Dustin,
tell us, what's your reaction to Governor Wall seeing a
third term.
Speaker 15 (44:53):
Honestly, a lot of us are really surprised. Over the
last month. There's actually been quite a few changes in
the race here on the ground for the Republicans because
we've honestly had the assumption for a little while that
he wasn't going to run, so jumping in over the
last week and a half here, there's been sudden shifts
in that. So we are a little surprised because there's really,
(45:14):
honestly never been a more vulnerable time to run as
a Democrat in the state. And I know, like it
is a blue state and all, but to put Walls
in this case, all this political capital on the line
here right now when he is still looking at twenty
twenty eight. So if he loses here and now, I mean,
we can ship those promises for him down the line gone.
(45:36):
So he's really staking all his political capital on seeking
reelection here. So it's going to put himself at risk
for twenty twenty eight. And you know what I'm here
for because we want to election.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Are you telling me that after getting demolished as the
like number two to and number two, Tim Walls believes
he could run for president of the United States.
Speaker 15 (45:58):
Well, there's no question about it. He's been prepped for
this for a long time. He still thinks he has them.
He's a little bit of a narcissist in that manner,
but you know I'm here for it. But at the
end of the day, right now, the focus is Minnesota
and electing some Republicans in this state. But if we
can take out a bird, two birds, one stone, you know,
(46:18):
I'm all here for two and we could squash out
Jazz hands early.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
I'm here for Oh, you're totally wrong about that, Dustin.
I am here for the Tim Walls twenty twenty eight. Democrats,
please nominate Tim Walls in twenty twenty eight. It's Joe
Biden without the charisma. But I do want to know
about this upcoming governor's race and what issues you think
Republicans might exploit and run on to take a reliably
(46:42):
blue state and put it in play for the governor's mansion.
Speaker 15 (46:45):
No question about it. And why I'm zooming here from outside.
We're at actually had a gun range here tonight where
we're receive five of the gubernatorial candidates here speaking tonight
to delegates, So we're going to get a little early
snapshot of that. But the big issue, honestly, in my opinion,
is going to be in the state of Minnesota. We
have had some massive issues with fraud, well over a
billion dollars of documented fraud, and I'm told that some
(47:09):
legislators were just coming out of committee today where they
found out that there's actually even more fraud beyond that
one billion dollars. Most of your listeners are probably familiar
with beating our future. That fraud scheme alone was two
hundred and fifty million dollars, the largest code fraud scheme
in the country. There's a lot more fraud to come,
and ultimately it all, it all happened right under Tim
(47:32):
Walls's nose. This is the guy who actually oversaw all
the agencies that oversaw that fraud scheme. They questioned him
in the last midterms and he ended up getting away
with it because we have a complicit media a year
in Minnesota, but since he's gone on the national stage,
we actually had platforms here where we can actually get
this news out to the voters and actually give them
(47:52):
informed decisions next time. And ultimately, the combination of all
these things together, I'm really looking forward to these midterms
going up against him again.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Well, it's really interesting that you identified that issue because
it would cut across party lines. Whether you're a Republican,
Democrat or independent, you typically don't like a government system
that allows people to steal money from you, And if
Walls has been tolerant of that, that could be something
that gets people thinking a little differently than they maybe
did in prior elections. But it's the culture wars. I
(48:21):
want to ask you this next question about because Walls
seem to really lean into the virtue signaling to the
left with things like allowing tampons and boys bathrooms. Has
he eased back off of that like Gavin Newsom has
or do you see him doubling down?
Speaker 15 (48:38):
You know, the one good thing you can well, at
least in terms of like just political speak, Gavin Newsom
understands reality. He does back off on a lot of
these issues when they do come up. Gavenu centem that
actually leading the way in terms of blue states from
they actually had to back off on giving free healthcare
(48:58):
to illegal aliens. It took Tim Walls an additional month
to figure that message out, and he ultimately did figure
it out at the end because it was that unpopular
of a ninety ten issue. But these other ones he
really doesn't want to budget. All Republicans are pushing back
on the trans sanctuary state issue, especially with the school
shooting that's arrived here in Minnesota, especially with this other
(49:20):
news that, of course Charlie Kirk was assassinated by an
individual who was dating a transferry. So these issues are
going to be at the forefront of Minnesota because of
the trans sanctuary state issue. It's being pushed back against Republicans.
Recently in the Senate, they're actually asking for a toxology
(49:40):
report of the individual who ended up shooting up that church,
So they're actually trying to get more information on Hey,
what is the cause of these shootings? Could it possibly
be that we are a trans sanctuary state and maybe
this is actually the issue at hand. So Republicans are
going at the root cause, and ultimately in that committee hearing,
(50:02):
we actually had Republicans being shouted down in committee wow
while those questions were being asked. So there there's going
to be a massive culture war issue in this race,
and that's going to be right at the forefront in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Really has been at the forefront. Minnesota was a sanctuary
for a great deal of Somali refugees during the Clinton years.
I don't know that folks who were in Minnesota before
that would view that as a really positive development.
Speaker 6 (50:27):
For the state.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
So if then, if the next iteration is to become
a sanctuary for the transsexuals, I guess we wish you luck,
but we would hope that it wouldn't be under Tim
Walls's continued leadership as governor. Dustin Grage, a contributor a
writer at town hall dot com. Thanks so much for
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That was President Trump announcing one of his top economic advisors,
Stephen Moran, has joined the Federal Reserve's governing board. Yesterday,
the Senate voted narrowly forty eight to forty seven to
confirm him. Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska was the only
Republican who voted against that confirmation. It's the first time
in ninety years that a sitting White House official will
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(53:54):
Federal Reserve begins a two day policy meeting today in
Wall Street. You got a lot of folks expect that
first rate cut in more than nine months. Markets are
betting on a quarter point reduction, with traders pricing in
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(54:15):
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while encouraging investment and consumer spending. A rate cut could
also ease strains on the housing market, where high mortgage
rates have really sidelined buyers. Joining us now to discuss
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(54:37):
rate cut. What are you planning for?
Speaker 16 (54:39):
Well, I think the market has priced a twenty five
basis point rate cut tomorrow, the future's market. That's a
done deal at this point. But what really matters, Matt,
is what Jerome Powell says in that press conference at
two thirty pm. What does he hint? Is he hinting
at two more rate cuts?
Speaker 6 (54:55):
One more?
Speaker 16 (54:56):
What does that look like? Because when something's already priced
and it can't possibly benefit us, it's it's the sixth
straight meeting where they've made excuses. They've pointed the finger
at Trump, they've talked about terraff inflation, this, terrorf inflation that,
and they haven't expected accepted responsibility.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
When we look at the opportunities for more liquidity with
a rate cut. What are the markets that you expect
will see the biggest impact. Will it be housing, will
it be investment? Where do you think the money goes Well.
Speaker 16 (55:26):
I think it's going to lock a lot of housing
origination on the sidelines. I don't think it's necessarily necessarily inflationary.
What I think is going to end up happening is
you've had about one million fewer homeowner originations in America
this year than they had four years ago. And that's
really squarely at the feet of Jerome Powell for keeping
mortgage rates and interest rates near twenty five year highs.
And so I expect a lot of people, a lot
(55:47):
of single young men to actually look at that woman
in their lives and say, look, it's time to get married.
We can now afford a home. We can now build
this life that we are destined to live. And that's
what Jerome Powell can do by bringing rates down on
to a more natural level.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
How many raid cuts do you think we get in
twenty twenty six?
Speaker 16 (56:05):
Gosh, I think, Matt, we could get upwards of four
to five cuts in twenty twenty six if Jerome Powell
does the right thing. Let's not forget though, his last
meeting is going to be May, so there's an opportunity
for the next FED share to really bring down rates
in a way that's consistent with the fundamentals.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Will this changes in rates impact the trade policy deficits
and how much the Trump administration is able to bring
on tariffs.
Speaker 16 (56:29):
Well, not necessarily directly. I think what's happened so far
this year, Matt, is that the FED has held rates hostage,
held the economy hostage by pointing the blame on Trump,
essentially saying, look, if you continue this trade war, we're
going to have to keep rates high because of the tariffs.
When the tariffs didn't actually increase inflation, they're now being
forced to lower rates. And so what I expect is
the President to continue to solve the conundrum of the
(56:51):
century to bring in record tariff revenue upwards of two
hundred billion now and in the face of inflation that's
not at the Fed's target, but below the Fed's target, Matt.
Since President Trump took off this headline, CPI is annualized
one point nine percent. Compare that to Biden's five point
three in his four years of economic tyranny.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
I really think these decisions are going to be pretty
dispositive on how people are feeling about the economy in
the midterms. If there's more liquidity, more deals, businesses are growing,
very good news for the Republicans. If these RAID cuts
aren't being felt by that time, I think that it'll
be because Jerome Powell was too late. But appreciate you
coming on and discuss. James fishback, the CEO of Azoria
(57:32):
always pleasure.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
Thanks Matt.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
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