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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The district regional director of a Texas congressman was tragically
engulfed in flames. We had to the Lone Star Republic
to get the scoop on that story. Plus, Qatar's ambassador
to the United States joins me in moments to discuss
Israel bombing his country. And we'll hear from a Florida
university's president on a plan to build a statue to
the Great Charlie Kirk. It's all next on the Mac
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Gates Show. Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C.
We're breaking the fever. Do you ever watch this guy
on television?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's like a machine. He's great Matt Gates.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Tonight you're going to learn a lot more about the
latest country Israel has attacked. Not Iron or Lebanon. It's
the small nation of Katar, home to less than half
the residence of a US congressional district. That bombing occurred
last week, the day before Charlie Kirk was killed. We
aren't suggesting the two things are related, just that one
overtook the other in the news cycle tragically. If you're
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wondering where the Trump vance administration stands on Israel's bombing
of Qatar, the Vice President told me in real time exclusively.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Look, the President made very clear today that he's not
happy about that way. He doesn't think this serves Israel's
interest or the United States's interest.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Not happy about it. Also, was the strike even effective.
We've seen reports that Israel missed their intended targets and
killed and harmed some Katari security personnel and civilians along
the way. Israel's Prime Minister Vib NETANYAHUO had this to
say about his basis for attacking a country that graciously
hosts US troops who I visited.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
We went after the terrorist master minds who committed the
Oxtober seventh massacre, and we did so in Qatar, which
gives safe haven, It harbors terrorists, It finances Hamas, It
gives its terrorists chieftains, sumptuous villains, it gives them everything.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So why does Katar allow senior Hamas leaders to live
among them? According to my next guest, it's because the
United States asked them to. That's the op ed the
Katari ambassador rode in twenty twenty three in the Wall
Street Journal. Why would we want Hamas in Qatar? Well
to spy on them, of course, But Matt If we're
spying on Hamas and Katar, how come nobody knew about
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the October seventh attacks before they happened. Well, people did,
and they warned about it to The New York Times.
Israel knew Hamas's attack plan over a year ago. Israeli
intelligence had obtained a forty page document called code named
Jericho Wall. They got it more than a year before
October seventh. It laid out an attack plan by Hamas
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that closely matched what eventually happened, the details of the
use of rockets, drones to disable surveillance, infiltration across the
border by foot vehicles and paragliders, and that is what occurred.
Even the biggest defenders of Israel can't explain why Israel
removed guards when they had received the Jericho waalwarning. When
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do you think we'll learn the truth about the degraded
security can conditions? Where I've been there to the border
of Israel and Gaza, usually there are people with a
whole lot of guns standing shoulder to shoulder, right, A
lot of those were not present. When do you think
we'll learn the truth about that? And I think everybody
deserves to know that. I don't think that should not
be answered.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
And I think once this do you think it'll take
I think once this war is over, I think we
all deserve to know.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Ah, once the war is over, what if the war
doesn't end because Israel tries to execute the people who
might end it. Charlie Kirk openly questioned the story Israel
was trying to tell the world about October seventh.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Think some questions need to be asked. Was there a
stand down order? Was there a stand down order six hours?
I don't believe it. I've been to that Gaza border.
You cannot go ten feet without running into a nineteen
year old with an AR fifteen or an automatic machine gun.
That's an IDF soldier. Right, the whole country is surveilled.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
There's also another country that asked Qatar to support hamas
it was Israel. In twenty eighteen, Netsan Yahu himself sent
a secret letter to the Katari leadership. In that letter,
he urged Katar to deliver thirty million dollars a month
to Gaza. He said this funding would help reduce the
motivation of terror groups to carry out attacks, prevent a
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humanitarian crisis, and preserve regional stability. So in May of
twenty twenty five, Netsa Yaho publicly admitted that since twenty eighteen,
his government had allowed Katar to transfer money to Hamas
in Gaza, and that was according to his own request.
That policy was approved by the full Israeli security Cabinet. So,
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if you believe Netsa Yahu himself, he went from asking
Katar to send money to Hamas to bombing Katar for
not extraditing Hamas.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
He doesn't think this serves Israel's interests or the United
States's interests.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, it really doesn't. Katar just gifted the United States
a four hundred million dollar jet. Israel sending bombs in
return is one heck of a thank you note. On
Capitol Hill, Florida Democratic Congressman Jared Moskowitz is deeply concerned
about foreign governments running influence campaigns online in the United States.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
It is totally rampant, allowing foreign governments to just perpetrate
these platforms, all of these bots, all of the time,
to weaponize Americans. You see what's going on here, This
is a byproduct of all of that. What's going on
in the streets is a byproduct of all of that.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, that just sounds awful. We wanted to learn more
about these foreign governments that Representative Moskowitz was talking about,
and they're paid influence operations. And lo and behold, a
foreign country has just signed a forty five million dollar
deal with Google to spread propaganda. It's Israel. If you
don't care at all about Israel or Katar, you should
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at least care about US military equipment being used in
the most stupid of ways. Israel has the F thirty five,
Qatar has US Patriot missile batteries. Is American hegemony in
twenty twenty five really watching our own air defense shooting
down US funded bombs launched from US made planes. This
reminds me of Syria, when forces funded by the Pentagon
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were fighting forces funded by the CIA. This week, US
House Speaker Mike Johnson held a meeting with APAK and
Jewish leaders on Capitol Hill. Several reports out of that
meeting suggest Speaker Johnson committed to screen potential congressional candidates
to ensure they are aligned with the current policies of
the Israeli government. I asked Speaker Johnson about this, and
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he offered this response on record exclusively to our program.
When asked if he was going to screen candidates in
this way, he wrote back no, shocking that I would
be misquoted. The discussion was about general support for Israel,
which has obviously been declining. Christians are called to support
the people and nation of Israel, but not necessarily its politics.
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Speaker Johnson didn't fall into this trap.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who
curse Israel will be cursed.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Those who bless the government of Israel.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Those who bless Israel is what it says, doesn't say
the government. This is the nation of Israel.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So that's in the Bible.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
As a Christian, I believe that.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Where is that?
Speaker 8 (07:06):
I can find it to you.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I don't have the scripture off the tip of mine.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You pull out the phone.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
And use it.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
It's in Genesis.
Speaker 10 (07:12):
Is the to in Genesis?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Is that the same as the country run by Benjamin
net yahou Raio?
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Yes, yes it is.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I guess we can say this about Mike Johnson. He's
probably got a higher IQ than Ted Cruz. Katar is
an ally. I know that because we have a US
military base there. Since Vietnam, no country that has willingly
invited US military Basis has been bombed by US funded weapons.
We see increasing evidence that Netan Yahoo wants forever wars
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in the Middle East. That's not good for Israel, that's
not good for the United States. It's just good for
Netanyahu and his goals sound really awful.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
But the fact is now Bibi and the Israeli hard
right government has a mandate. I gotta be careful the
way I say this too. They're going to try to
ethnically cleanse Gaza. I mean that that's and I don't
use that term lightly.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Okay, joining US now is excellent. Excellency, Sheik Michelle ben
Hamad al Tani, Qatar's ambassador to the United States. Mister ambassador,
thanks for joining US. I think it's awful that Israel
bombed Qatar, especially since your country hosts American troops who
I have visited. Why do you think they did it?
Speaker 11 (08:21):
Man, Thank you very much for having me allow me,
I would say, just for putting your viewers in perspective.
Qatar is a major to ali to the United States
that hosted a data base.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
As you mentioned earlier, it.
Speaker 11 (08:35):
Hosts ten thousand troops in this base. This important base.
The US Army and Katari Army jointly do military exercises
for decades now, and the most recent important cooperation between
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the US and Qatar was the Afghanistan evacuation, is considered
the largest humanitarian evacuation in history.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Unfortunate surprised you as our ally hosting our troops to
have Israel bombing Qatar. It sure surprised me. What do
you think motivated them?
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Uh So?
Speaker 11 (09:18):
Qatar has been mediating between Israel and Hamas for the
past decades, more or less about diffusing tension and on
the borders of Gaza. Hamas has been and Doha for
negotiations for the most recent conflict between them. This was
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at the request of the Israelis themselves. Along the sides
of the United States and Egypt, we've been trying to
really from day one, try to stop the war, bring
back the hostages, and have some humanitarian aid going to
and we had assurances from the Israelis that they have
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committed this process until there isn't strike and cut out
that took place targeting the media mediation, the negotiation team
that was coming to negotiate the latest proposal from the
Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Mister Avassador one way to make sure that there isn't
a peace deal is to execute the people who might
sign it. Do you believe that Israel targeted these negotiators
to ensure that there wasn't the peace deal in Gaza
that the Trump vance administration is when pursuing But I.
Speaker 11 (10:38):
Think you you said it correctly. I'm puzzled to find
another reason for that. You know, we've been trying hard
to bring the parties to an agreement. I think we
were close, and unfortunately Natanyahu and his government decided to
bump the team that wanted to negotiate this deal when.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
They'll launch those bombs. When they launched those bombs, you
have Patriot air defense systems, their American systems. You have
them because you're an ally of the United States. Did
you think about engaging those those Patriot systems to to
knock these, uh, these bombs out of the sky.
Speaker 11 (11:16):
Well, you know, the Israelis have some kind of an
edge to the technology, so most of our patriots were
positioned in another direction.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Unfortunately, since you are.
Speaker 11 (11:34):
An ally and and you're working with the United States,
and we had insurance assurances from from the Israelis that
they will not do such thing, we were really caught
at surprise of this act.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Do you feel like you were relied to?
Speaker 8 (11:49):
We we will be We've been betrayed. To be honest,
we've been betrayed.
Speaker 11 (11:53):
And uh, you know the we are trying to mediate
and we got these assurances and then they send their
team to do to negotiate and they do.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
How are you going to respond to this portrayal?
Speaker 11 (12:09):
Well, last week there was a conference that was held
in Doha, the Stamach World and the other World get together.
There was a very strong statement that as you should,
we are also grateful for the Security Council members who
should a condemnation of such an act against Qatar. And
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we are working now, as you know that during this
important upcoming week the United Nation General Assembly, we are
going to pursue all the lega matters to have Israel
accountable to this act.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You know, mister ambassador, there are viewers of this network
will say, well, gosh, you know, why is Hamas in Qatar? Anyway?
And you wrote an op ed where you said that
the United States had asked Qatar to have Hamas leadership
able to live in the country. Who asked that of Qatar?
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And you know, is that what you were responding to
in this particular endeavor.
Speaker 11 (13:12):
Indeed, it was a request from the United States. It
was also a request from Israel in order to open
an office for communications, and since two thousand and six
our engagement this office has been engaged in negotiations, in medigation,
in diffusing conflict. As you know, Matt, for the past decade,
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there has been many incidents and many eruptions of conflict
on the borders, and we were successful to diffuse this tension,
as we were successful to release one hundred and forty
eight hostages through these mediations.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yes, and there there was a lot of praise for
Qatar's role in allowing the space of those discussions to
get those hostages home. But you said something that is
just so critical, and I don't want it to be lost.
Both the United States and Israel asked Katar to do this,
and then Israel bombed Katar for having done it. So
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I want you, I want you to describe for me
how Prime Minister Netanyahu has asked your country to interact
with MAS from twenty eighteen until October seventh, and specifically
did he ask Qatar to fund hamas to the tune
of thirty million dollars a month.
Speaker 11 (14:34):
Well, it's not only in Natanillo's current government, but when
also he was in government before he asked us as well.
As a matter of fact, this is something that he
has been pushing for Patar to provide some funding for
humilitary assistance and Gaza. The Katari funding were going to schools,
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hospitals and housing. And by the way, Matt, everything was
coordinated with Israelis. Everything was going through guys Rali Bank
and very cross coordination with the security apparatus of Israel.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So I just think it's really unfair for you guys
to get asked to do something, to do it, then
when they bomb you, they blame the thing that they
asked you to do. Like after having gone through that,
does Qatar now see the NETS and Yahoo government as
a partner for peace in the Middle East?
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Well, I mean since the last.
Speaker 11 (15:28):
Strike that Natanio and his government conducted go Katar, we
really don't see that they are sincere about having peace
talks or negotiations until we see some concrete actions that
they are really genuine about finding a solution, finding an agreement,
I don't think we'll be able to do anything.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
That to me just sounds like more death, more suffering,
and it doesn't sound like that's good for Israel. If
Israel is not achieving peace, then their citizens are more
at and that's certainly something none of us would would
want to see. Are you expecting more strikes from Israel
inside Qatar targeting people associated with hamas well?
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Right after the attacks, someone is really official said that
they will do this again.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
But we are very grateful for the.
Speaker 11 (16:20):
President who said that this will never happen again, and
he gave us this guarantee. So I think we are
confident when the US President tell us that this is
not going to happen again, and we appreciate his friendship
and his support to Katar.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Sorry, Arabia just entered into a military cooperation agreement with Pakistan.
What lesson should the United States and Qatar take from
this move?
Speaker 11 (16:46):
Well, I think, Matt, the Saudi Pakistani relationship is a
historical relationship. I think this has been a negotiation for many,
many years. I think everyone wants to maintain security architecture
in the region and make sure that there is no.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Wors erupting.
Speaker 11 (17:09):
So I think with the hope and support with the
United States, we can find a security architect that that
can stop countries from bombing, specifically Israel from bombing others.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, that was a very diplomatic answer. There are many
who are observing this and saying that it is a
sign that major players in the Middle East are looking
to other security partners, not just the United States after
this bombing. Do you think that the agreement between Saudi
and Pakistan is in any way informed by Israel's recent misbehavior.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
I think what there's really behavior has been for the
past year and so is really undermining the stability in
our region. The last strike in dohaves that it's an
evident evidence for.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
For this behavior that is stabilizing our region. We we believe,
we believe mad that.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
M hm.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
We believe that we.
Speaker 11 (18:14):
Need to work together instead of really, uh, you know.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
Taking unionateral measures.
Speaker 11 (18:22):
Katar has been working hard in the United States with
Egypt to stabilize the region, to stop the war. But
actions like that unionaturally does not really help stabilize the region,
and especially when when Israel is bumming a USLI.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I have a theory, mister ambassador, and and I want
to see if you agree with it. And I take
no joy in saying this because I think it's rather dark.
But my concern is that Israel wants to see the
Middle East engulfed in a series of wars and violence.
And my worry is that the NETS and Yahoo government
specifically wants that because they see capital markets in Doha,
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in Riyad and Abu Dhabi and Dubai, and it is
concerning to them that these rising capital markets will have
a lot to say about investment and about the way
of the world, and they just figure if they can
wash the Middle East in blood and war, refugees and violence,
people will want to do less investment there and we'll
want to engage in a fewer friendly business relations. Is
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that a concern you have.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
Well, Matt, you know I can tell you that all
of us in that our world, we're really seeking peace.
This was evident when the Saudi Peace Plan was put
on the table. We are continuing to really engage with Israel.
We would like to have some kind of normalization of relations,
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but unfortunately the behavior of Israel year after year is
not helping us to achieve that.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Good Yeah, you talked about that betrayals, specifically asking uh
Qatar to provide funds to Harmas and and then you know,
sort of blaming you and bombing you as a consequence.
As we move forward, you know, if President Trump and
Vice President Vance asked Qatar to kick out Hamas, is
that something you'd consider.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Look, I mean.
Speaker 11 (20:21):
Hamas has been there for for a purpose. The office
of Hamas is established there for a purpose. As long
as this purpose is serving the benefit of everyone, then
we will continue working on it. If that purpose is
not there anymore, then of course there's no need for
that office to be there.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And the purpose is peace, right, there's no there's no
other purpose that I that we should be aware of.
Speaker 12 (20:43):
Is there?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Indeed it is.
Speaker 11 (20:44):
It is a line of communication with Hamas to diffuse
any tension and to resolve any conflict, and to really
have these lines of communication.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Uh. You mentioned that the United Nations General Assembly is
coming up. I was really taken by the extent to
which the Arab world really surrounded Qatar with support. Saudi
Arabia called you their sister country, when it was just
a few years ago they were engaged in a military
blockade of view. As you approach the UN General Assembly,
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what type of reaction do you think the world is
going to have to your country? Pursuing peace and being
bombed by Israel for doing so well.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
I think the latest Security Council resolution really proves that
the Tellasian community welcomes the role of Qatar, appreciates the
efforts that we are doing in mediation, whether it is
with the Israelis and the Prestinians orhere everywhere else, from releasing
hostages and of course the latest hostages that were released
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from Afghanistan.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
So I think there's a great appreciation to what Katar
is doing.
Speaker 11 (21:56):
We really appreciate also the support of these countries on
the international community.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Certainly well, we hope that there are more peaceful days ahead.
We do not want to see bombs dropping in Doha.
And we do appreciate in the United States the fact
that our troops, troops from the community I represented in
Congress are graciously hosted in Katar. That is a critically
important mission, as you outlined, because things can really erupt
in this part of the world, and having that presence there,
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we hope, is something that can assure you that our
allies won't bomb you. And I'm glad President Trump has
made this a priority and giving you these assurances. Ambassador
al Tawi, thank you as always for coming on and
sharing your expertise and perspective. Thank you Matt for having
me take care and coming up. A Florida university is
going to erect a statue of Charlie Kirk. It will
be a symbol of free speech in the Sunshine State.
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The president of New College, Richard Corkran, joins me and next,
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Speaker 6 (25:09):
What makes me so happy is I get to impact
people's wives, I get to speak truth, I have purpose,
I get to help save the civilization. And then I
also get to make some money while doing it, and that,
quite honestly, is the most enormous blessing him. I have
the greatest job in the world. I'm the happiest person
in the world. I mean that, I don't blame people
for saying that. I'm a political guy. That is my
day job, right, And so I'm focused on the second
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most important thing that I think I think a human
being can focus on. So then of course everyone says,
what's the first thing? Okay, Well, the first thing is
winning souls for Jesus Christ, the most important thing. Well, then, Charlie,
what's the second thing? To make sure you can do
the first thing.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Charlie Kirk is our forever young martyr. Charlie was a
close friend of mine, but even I couldn't see or
feel the impact of his work until after his death.
That's the thing about martyrs, they get an entirely new
life life after death. This will surely include many notable tributes.
We've seen a number of them occur spontaneously around the country,
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around the world. One Florida college is erecting a statue
to Charlie Kirk. New College of Florida was once known
as a liberal bastion of weirdos. Then Governor Ron DeSantis
appointed the staunchly conservative former Speaker of the Florida House
of Representatives, Richard Corkran as its president. Corkoran was booed
in deep voices by transsexuals. When he was selected, he
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was castigated by the liberal pseudo academics in the professor class. Now, undeterred,
he's putting up a statue of Charlie Kirk with us
now as the former Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives,
the former education Commissioner for the State of Florida, and
currently the president of New College of Florida, Richard Corkran,
mister President, tell us about the decision to erect this
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statue to Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
Yeah, well, you know, you know, being Flridian Matt. The
New College was this crazy institution that had been taken
over by literally it was considered one of the most
wocust campus. It was, you know, just toxic. It was
terrible and ideologically indoctrinating. And so what happened was we
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really came in and that whole point was free speech
and civil discourse. We're going to expose you to wait
about bumping, We're going to expose you to or at all.
We're going to teach you how to think, and you
can think what you want to think. No indoctrination, zero tolerance,
and then this incident happens, which is just shocking. I mean,
never in American history has there been an individual who's
gone on to college campuses as many as he possibly could,
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set up a table and said to anyone, proved me wrong,
let's have a discussion on anything you want. Proved me wrong,
and he gets assassinated for it. And so the experience
that we had at New College bringing back civil discourse,
real academic freedom, real free speech, and the embodiment of
Charlie Kirk and his life service to it, we thought,
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you know what, there could be no better way to
champion that free speech, champion that academic freedom and that
civil discourse. Then honoring Charlie Kirk his life service and
saying we're at university. We are a marketplace of ideas
and we'll accept and tolerate and discuss all of them.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Since making this announcement, what's been the reaction from your
faculty in students.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
It's been really positive. I had a faculty meeting in
the next day and I've not got a single word
of criticism. We've had an outpouring of support from the public.
I've had an outpouring of texts and messages from students.
We have obviously a turning point chapter on campus. They
had a vigil the very next day after the assassination.
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It was completely peaceful and it was one hundred kids,
give or take that came out to the fire pit
and had a great service for Charlie. And so it's
been really positive. We've had sculptors by the dozen reach
out offer free services, so it's very exciting. We hope
to have it done as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
That would be that would be a wonderful testament to
his life, and especially given the transformation in New College.
And I want to talk about that because I think
there are other institutions where maybe the board of trustees
or the lawmakers who appropriate funds to the institutions would
like to see more of the constructive discourse, would like
to see universities not just be a place where people
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are shouted down by the far left. What were the
key tools that gave you the ability to really transform this,
this place of the kind of far left strangeness into
a real university Number one.
Speaker 9 (29:38):
It's a great question, Matt, and I'll tell you it
to Charlie Kirk and the memorial I've read, you know,
I think we announced it on Monday, and I've read
now it's Friday. A legislature here there is going to
have a statue, or somebody is going to have a statue,
or somebody would like to have a statue. I've not
heard other public universities, which goes to the point to
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your question is what do you have to do and
what did we do to transform and revitalize and bring
about an institution that was one hundred percent for that
kind of marketplace of ideas and teaching how to think
about what to think. It's an artois task and it
structs with leadership. I mean, if we didn't have a
governor who said I'm going to reappoint seven new members
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to the Board of trustees and then in that selection
process said I'm going to choose people that are less
concerned about going to a football game and more concerned
with free speech and academic freedom. And so you have
great people that were put on our board, courageous people,
and then they chose me to be the president. I
understand their wishes very clearly and execute those you need
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all three and I think what you're seeing, you know,
this state led the entire country and the elimination of DEI.
And shortly after that you had other states follicued, Okay,
we're going to get rid of at Oklahoma, Texas, the
states that you would think would be in the you know,
saying this is just this is is that our governor says,
this is discrimination and the complete opposite of what they're championing.
(31:06):
You know, he calls it discrimination and doctrination and exclusion.
And so but these states they adopted and they passed
those rules, and they tell the universities, hey, we're just
getting TI off campus, and these are red, red states.
And then you have you know, undercover people go in
there and they have all these administrators, all of these staffers,
(31:26):
all of these faculty members saying, hey, I know the
governor said we're getting rid of DEI. We're not doing it.
We're just going to rename it and rebrand it. I mean,
these are red states. It's that pervasive in the university system.
And you really have to have the good leadership, and
then you have to it's a bunch of personnelist policy.
You got to get the right people who really believe
that in the right positions. You have to fight for
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shared governance. They talk about shared governments, but what they
really say when they say shared governance faculty members is basically,
we make all the decisions on hiring, We make all
the decisions on who gets into the university, we make
all the decisions on the curriculum. That's their idea of
shared governments. We came in and said, no, it's we're
sharing it. I interview every single faculty new hire, and
to the cegrint of many of the facts.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You, as the president of the university, personally interview every faculty.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Hire, every single one.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I used to work for you, and I can only
imagine what that process must be like for them. What
do you ask them?
Speaker 9 (32:26):
You know, one is I look at their cvs. I
go thoroughly through their cvs. You know, they you look
at their publications, you look at their cover letters, you
look at their we have an internet. They come and
they sit and they give a lecture. You look at
all of that stuff. But basically, you know, we were
awfully popular in the news for a small little institution.
(32:46):
So I said, you've probably read about New College in
the news. Any thoughts on that, any questions for me
on that? To try to get to the point and
most of them will come. Is that I knew full
well that you guys were bringing about this, you know,
positive revolution or free speech and academic freedom and some
of this course, and I think it's long overdue, and
I don't have it where I'm currently, and these are
(33:06):
League universities, so I'd be more than willing to come
down here and champion that exact same play.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, that's interesting. So what you're saying is, once you
get the leadership structure in place, you create an HR
revival where people who actually want to come and do
real pedagogy feel welcome as opposed to jettison. When Governor
de Santas has done such a terrific job with higher education,
I completely agree with your assessment. But I remember when
he was appointing board members to these boards of trustees
(33:35):
and the media went crazy. They said, these are ideologues,
you know, these are people like Rufo, These are people
who don't know the secret handshake of higher education. Are
you telling us now kind of on the other side
of this big transition that you have to have that
you actually should appoint people who share your ideology to
(33:55):
the governance structure and that's how you get the downstream
leadership and the adoption from faculty.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Yes, you need trustees, especially in our you know, across
the country, these big institutions who are going to be
absolutely outrage by the existence of DEI or any kind
of slashing of free speech or any kind of indoctrination,
They're not. What they're outraged about is their football team
(34:22):
started going too.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Well, that would be an outrage in the state of
Florida for a number of institutions. But looking at you,
Gators don't know about how that's going to go. But Richard,
I want to broad in the conversation a little bit
because there is a lot of discussion now about what
the limits of that free speech ought to be, and
there's discussion of hate speech and action against it. When
you see a speech activity going on on your campus,
(34:47):
what's the analysis you apply to see if it has
gone over the line, if it is threatening or harmful
in some way.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
Well, the case law is pretty extensive, and we think
that in all obviously following the law. In fact, one
of the things that I suggested in my book Matt
Storming the Ivy Tower is is the rule of laws.
And another thing that you have to put on college campuses.
And it's not just me. Even Bill Lackman, a liberal
donor to Clinton and Obama, he said, when he looked
(35:17):
at what was going on in Harvard after October seventh,
is like he gave seven suggestions. Four of them were basically,
just have a rule of law and enforce it. Have
some sort of student discipline, and so you know, obviously
we're very big on following the rule of law. You're
an attorney. I'm an attorney, but the case law is
very clear. What I would add to that, Matt is
we're university. Just like Charlie Current exhibited, you know, every
(35:41):
day of his life. Where in the world should free
speech and those limits be tested more than anywhere else
in this country, it's on a university campus. And so
we're very very permissive. We're you know, so like.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
If people do like free Palestine chants, if they go
out and chant like from the river to the sea,
if they go out and say that you know, Netsan
Yahu is a war criminal, that's the type of stuff
you would you would allow, even if there's a substantial
amount of your your student base that might disagree with
those statements.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
Now, well, I mean, you've said a few obviously hate speech.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But okay, are is any of that hate speech?
Speaker 9 (36:19):
I'm wondering, Well, I think if you're saying from the
river to the sea and you're talking about the you know,
in essence, the execution of an entire country, and it's people,
I think you're you're crossing the line.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Really, But I think you think if someone says from
the river to the sea on your college campus, that
would you expel them?
Speaker 9 (36:39):
I mean, it's a harmful speech and under the the
litany of case law, you know, whether it's you know,
a time, place, and manner, and then you have all
of these different things that it lists out that you
know are checks on that speech. But it again, it's,
you know, the default is to allow the speech to occur.
I think if you have if you're in a class
(37:01):
and you have Jewish students and all of a sudden
someone starts saying from the river to the sea in
some sort of confrontational matter, I don't think that's protected.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
What if a Jewish student says that we should drop
a nuclear weapon on Gaza?
Speaker 9 (37:16):
All of those things I think need to be evaluated
in time.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Place I did, Yeah, I think we had a congressman.
Didn't Randy Fine say that like we should knew Gaza?
Would you allow him to say that on your college campus.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
Matt, I've had people on this college campus. I invite you,
and invite Randy Fine. I'd love you and Randy Fine
to come and have a debate over those types of disitions.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Look, get Richard Corkran. I am there. I will debate
Randy Fine on your college campus regarding Middle East foreign
policy anytime, if you can get the Hebrew hammer to
show up and do it. I do want to give
you a chance. Given this transformation at a new college,
what is the value proposition that you offer students? If
someone is considering your institution, what is it that you
think puts new college into the first tier of their selection.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
I think you're going to get exposed to an education
that's going to make you a great human being. I
talk about this a lot, but what we do is
we say that every single you know, it's the liberal
arts has been a fantastic degree. I'm pretty sure that
you have a liberal arts degree. Yes, And so you
look at the leaders in the world. You look at
the leaders in Fortune five hundred companies, almost forty percent
(38:20):
have liberal arts degrees, and a lot of them went
to smaller liberal arts schools. And that's because it teaches
you to critically think. It teaches you to synthesize large
volumes and the information wrestle with those great questions of life.
And that liberal arts education done correctly without indoctrination, but
with the true academic freedom, with great faculty from all sides.
It gives you an education that doesn't just prepare you
(38:42):
for a good job right out of college. It prepares
you for your last job. And in a world of
AI the movement, I don't care if you listen to
the jobs world quotes, you listen to Jensen Mind from Nvidia,
you listen to all Mean, you listen to any of
these Elon Musk, there's a return to this critical thinking.
We don't even know what the jobs of the next
five or ten years are going to be, so we
(39:04):
need to prepare people to be great thinkers, to be
great citizens, great human beings. Education is an end on
to itself. It's what makes us distinc the human is
what Cicero said, And so I think, when you come here,
I promise you will you will have that education.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Richard Corker, the president of New College of Florida. Thanks
for coming on and sharing your perspective. We look forward
to the groundbreaking of the great Charlie Kirk Statue for
free Speech.
Speaker 9 (39:28):
Thanks a lot, Matt, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And coming up, there is sadly a congressional staffer that
has died as a result of being engulfed in flames.
It's a terrible story, but we do want to bring
you the details next.
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Speaker 1 (41:59):
Welcome back. This is such a sad story. Regina Santos Avilas,
aged thirty five, was the regional district director for Congressman
Tony Gonzalez of Texas. She's now dead in Gulfton flames.
On the night of September thirteenth. Emergency services responded to
her home in Uvalde, Texas after reports of a person
on fire. She was severely burned and transported to a
(42:21):
hospital in San Antonio. She died the following day. Authority
say there's no indication of foul play so far. The
Texas Rangers and Uvaldi Police Department are investigating. We're fairly
sure people don't spontaneously burst into flames. Her family says
the accident was something of a mistake, but we don't
(42:41):
really know much about that. It also seems difficult to understand.
She's survived by a husband and an eight year old son,
both interestingly had left the area at the time. Joining
us now is the publisher of Current Revolt. A lot
of folks call it the Texas newspaper of record. Tony Ortiz,
thanks for joining us. What is going on with this tragic,
tragic death.
Speaker 10 (43:03):
Yeah, a horrible news story coming out of Evaldi. Congressman
Tony Gonzalez staffer has passed away and the conflicting reports
on what has actually happened. The mother of the of
the of the woman who's passed is telling reporters that
her daughter did not commit suicide, but sources I've spoken to,
(43:25):
including officials, even some law enforcement, have told me that
it is in fact a suicide. So horrible news out
of there, and hopefully the police release an official statement soon.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I have to say, I mean, we we tragically as
a society, deal with suicide, but I've never seen it
take the form of someone choosing to set themselves on fire.
Does any of the indication from law enforcement show if
there was like fuel that was poured on this woman,
or how did it how did it come to be
It's not that hot in Texas.
Speaker 10 (44:00):
Yeah, You're absolutely right. Traditionally, when it comes to self immolation,
you usually see it for political reasons or for for
political statements. You've seen that recently with some of these
Palestinian protesters setting themselves on fire. But with regards to
this incident, there's no word from police. And that's what's
really interesting. The mother has put out an official statement
to reporters saying that it was an accident, and police
(44:24):
have yet to put out an official statement to sit
to really signify what has gone wrong or what happened.
You know, when it comes to burns, especially at the home,
generally these are things that lead you to a hospital,
maybe a skin graft, But a burn that happens at
home at nine thirty at night on a Saturday enough
to cause you to pass away seems a little out
(44:44):
of the ordinary.
Speaker 8 (44:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
I mean, you know, certainly, if something explodes, people can
get flames on them, but there doesn't appear in this
case in my review of the facts, to be like,
you know, an oven that exploded or a generator that
exploded somewhere, it just seems to be awful. Well, I
also know how close congressional staffs are. That's not hundreds
of people, it's you know, a couple dozen people at times,
(45:07):
and it's often times like a work family. Has the
congressman put out a statement regarding this, and are we
getting any word about how their district operations are going
to function?
Speaker 10 (45:19):
Yeah, Well, that's what's really interesting. When we spoke to
our sources, especially those close to the congressman's office, they
alleged to us that the woman who passed away had
been maybe having a romantic relationship with the congressman. And again,
these are allegations, and the congressman does deserve, you know,
the benefit of the doubt, But we did reach out
(45:39):
to the congressman's office for official comment, and we explicitly
asked if there was a romantic relationship involved with the
two and they did provide us a comment, but no
mention or denial of a relationship.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah. Again, you know, people can make allegations all the
time when American news certainly isn't confirming that. And as
you said, the congressman deserves the opportun unity to lay
out any facts there. But are you expecting to get
an answer to that question? And do we have a
timeline regarding when the authorities might indicate what the cause
(46:11):
of death was?
Speaker 10 (46:13):
Yeah, good questions. And you know, again the police have
been really slow walking this deep Department of Public Safety
is involved, which seems a bit abnormal for maybe an
accident like this, that they're involved in something like this.
But again, the mother's put out of statement saying as
an accident, DPS and police have it confirmed whether that
is accurate or not, And I suppose we'll have more
(46:35):
information next week.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Wow. Well, we will continue to follow the story. It
is a terrible tragedy. Our hearts go out to the
congressional staff members who I'm sure are in trauma right now,
working to serve constituents there in Texas and certainly to
everyone in that community. Just an awful, awful way to
see someone pass, Tony Ortiz. We hope you'll stay on
the story and that we'll be able to check back
(46:59):
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Yesterday, you heard guest host Brandon Strock talk about the
wave of firings that came following Charlie Kirk's assassination. It
is culminated in the de facto firing of Jimmy Kimmel.
For years, the left weaponized every public and private institution
against conservative speech. You could get banned on social media
for whatever they labeled as racism, sexism, election denial, science denial,
(50:43):
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that they supported the Second Amendment or hashtag build the Wall,
or my favorite was the Betsy Ross flag. The FBI
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(51:04):
was among those victimized during the Biden administration. Leftist institutions
ranging from the federal government to private rating agencies, put
political and financial pressure on any organization associated with us,
probably because we tell the truth. But now we're back.
It's truly a four years no call. Now we're looking
pretty in a hotel bar story. We're on Spectrum, Charter,
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Bright House, YouTube TV, Dish, Sling, and Voice of America
all added this year, and Jimmy Kimmel is home on
his couch. One person who will be getting less late
night coverage might be our very own producer, Vish Burah
now that.
Speaker 7 (51:38):
George is going to jail, I was wondering what will
become of his body.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Man, I don't know if you remember, this guy was
always by his side.
Speaker 7 (51:46):
Vish Burah aka mister Smiley Beard would just he did
a lot of blocking for George when George didn't want
to talk to anybody. Will he go into prison with
Santos or will they be forced to live apart, living
separate lives?
Speaker 1 (52:04):
That was a good one. I feel like I'm walking
down memory lane right now. Goodbye Vish, Well, goodbye. Jimmy
joining us now as attorney, political analyst and host of
the Tom Wrens Podcast, Tom Wrenz. So, Tom, are you
just going to be crying yourself to sleep tonight without
Jimmy Kimmel's show to watch?
Speaker 14 (52:21):
I'm pretty sad, Matt. I gotta be honest with you.
I think there might be a single tier. Might be
a single tier of joy, but a single tier.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
What does this say about the media landscape and the
accountability when people go too far?
Speaker 14 (52:36):
I think that there's two really important points here. One
is that we see we see capitalism at work right
and this is a great thing.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
We saw that the left, especially under Biden.
Speaker 14 (52:48):
They weaponized everything we said, they came after us with everything,
then they invented cancel culture. Now what we're seeing is
we the right have finally reorganized, We've restructured under Mega,
and we're coming together and we're saying, listen, we're not
going to support anyone that does this. And I think
we really kicked it off with the Budweyser stuff, with
(53:08):
the Bud Buyser boycott, but it's really kind of developed
and now with this, we're coming together to stand for
an American hero. I think it's a wonderful, wonderful thing.
At the same time, though, I do think we've got
to be very careful the way we're doing it. Canceling
on a corporate level is right, but I think we've
got to be very careful about ensuring that we don't
try and make this a governmental action.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
And what do you think should be the limits on that?
Just ensuring that everything is organic and rises up from
people's sentiment.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, So I mean I'm really a big fan.
Speaker 14 (53:41):
Yeah, I do that lawyer thing, right. So the Brandenburg
Test is really an important thing. If there's specific intent
to cause violence and we can do that, well, that's
the limit, right, and it's a good limit. That's what
our constitution says, and that's what we got to do.
The government didn't do this.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 14 (54:00):
I didn't like the CC commissioner coming out, but I'm
okay with him bringing it up a little bit, you know,
because you know, arguably, you know there's something there. Kim
aled for sure saying that this was a MEGA guy.
This was obviously not a Mega guy. Yes, there was
a lie. But the thing that worked on this though,
is that it's a testament to Mega. We the people
(54:20):
have come together and we said, listen, if you're going
to bad mouth an American hero who was murdered a father,
thirty one year old father two beautiful babies, who was
murdered in cold blood by some psychopath who apparently is
part of I don't know, some furry chat club or
some other nonsense. We're not going to support anybody that's
(54:43):
going to run someone who's you know, voicing support for
that kind of behavior. The beautiful part about this is
the way MEGA came together and demanded change. And I
think the difference is is under Biden, we would have
saw Biden pushing for that change.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Under Mega it was a corp, So that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
When we look at this particular move against Kimmel, do
you view that as substantially resetting deterrence against some of
the liberal voices in corporate media where they might just
be a little more down the middle or a little
more kind or do you think that this is just
the beginning of the wave and MAGA will have to
continue to flex in order to get some semblance of balance.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
I think meg is going to have to continue to flex.
Speaker 14 (55:29):
But I think one of the things that we got
to really be careful with, and I'm going to come
back to this a couple of times, Matt is remember
we are the majority, and we're not just a little
bit majority. We're a massive majority.
Speaker 8 (55:40):
The people who.
Speaker 14 (55:41):
Would say horrible things about Charlie Kirk after his death,
I mean, these people are monsters. There's such a small minority,
but under Biden, and that stems from Obama, right, I mean,
this came from Obama as a revolutionary we can move
into Biden. You know, these these radical leftist nutbags were
put out there in a way where we're supposed to
think that they were somehow mainstream. I mean, you remember
(56:02):
Target and they're putting out the tram stuff for little kids,
you know, in their kids department. This stuff was insanity.
It's always been insanity. It's always been a small minority.
Now my concern, and I do have a concern on
this because I'm huge on the First Amendment.
Speaker 8 (56:16):
We've got to be.
Speaker 14 (56:17):
Very very careful that we don't allow ourselves to overreact,
because we're such a big majority that if we did overreact,
we might be talked into, well, let's pass an.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
Anti hate speech law. We cannot do that.
Speaker 14 (56:30):
Hate speech is repugnant, and we got to cancel these
guys light through the corporate action, through boycotts or things
like that. But we cannot ever violate the First Amendment.
Because I remember very clearly when Joe Biden told me
that I was a domestic terrorist because I was against
his vaccine mandates.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
I remember very clearly. It's so true that these are
challenging questions, and the reason the First Amendment exists is
to deal with offensive speech. Offensive speech, speech you don't like,
speech that upsets you, speech that makes you feel attacked,
is not illegal, and it's only the speech that incites violence.
It's a very specific area of case. Law, Tomranz, we
(57:11):
we'll have to have you back on to dive deeper
into some of those legal intricacies, but appreciate you on
the program and hope people check out the Tomarans podcast.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Hey, thanks a lot, Matt. I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Thank you, And that's all the time we have before
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The district regional director of a Texas congressman was tragically
engulfed in flames. We had to the Lone Star Republic
to get the scoop on that story. Plus, Qatar's ambassador
to the United States joins me in moments to discuss
Israel bombing his country. And we'll hear from a Florida
university's president on a plan to build a statue to
the Great Charlie Kirk. It's all next on the Mac
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Gates Show. Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C.
We're breaking the fever. Do you ever watch this guy
on television?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's like a machine. He's great Matt Gates.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Tonight you're going to learn a lot more about the
latest country Israel has attacked. Not Iron or Lebanon. It's
the small nation of Katar, home to less than half
the residence of a US congressional district. That bombing occurred
last week, the day before Charlie Kirk was killed. We
aren't suggesting the two things are related, just that one
overtook the other in the news cycle tragically. If you're
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wondering where the Trump vance administration stands on Israel's bombing
of Qatar, the Vice President told me in real time exclusively.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Look, the President made very clear today that he's not
happy about that way. He doesn't think this serves Israel's
interest or the United States's interest.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Not happy about it. Also, was the strike even effective.
We've seen reports that Israel missed their intended targets and
killed and harmed some Katari security personnel and civilians along
the way. Israel's Prime Minister Vib NETANYAHUO had this to
say about his basis for attacking a country that graciously
hosts US troops who I visited.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
We went after the terrorist master minds who committed the
Oxtober seventh massacre, and we did so in Qatar, which
gives safe haven, It harbors terrorists, It finances Hamas, It
gives its terrorists chieftains, sumptuous villains, it gives them everything.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So why does Katar allow senior Hamas leaders to live
among them? According to my next guest, it's because the
United States asked them to. That's the op ed the
Katari ambassador rode in twenty twenty three in the Wall
Street Journal. Why would we want Hamas in Qatar? Well
to spy on them, of course, But Matt If we're
spying on Hamas and Katar, how come nobody knew about
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the October seventh attacks before they happened. Well, people did,
and they warned about it to The New York Times.
Israel knew Hamas's attack plan over a year ago. Israeli
intelligence had obtained a forty page document called code named
Jericho Wall. They got it more than a year before
October seventh. It laid out an attack plan by Hamas
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that closely matched what eventually happened, the details of the
use of rockets, drones to disable surveillance, infiltration across the
border by foot vehicles and paragliders, and that is what occurred.
Even the biggest defenders of Israel can't explain why Israel
removed guards when they had received the Jericho waalwarning. When
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do you think we'll learn the truth about the degraded
security can conditions? Where I've been there to the border
of Israel and Gaza, usually there are people with a
whole lot of guns standing shoulder to shoulder, right, A
lot of those were not present. When do you think
we'll learn the truth about that? And I think everybody
deserves to know that. I don't think that should not
be answered.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
And I think once this do you think it'll take
I think once this war is over, I think we
all deserve to know.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Ah, once the war is over, what if the war
doesn't end because Israel tries to execute the people who
might end it. Charlie Kirk openly questioned the story Israel
was trying to tell the world about October seventh.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Think some questions need to be asked. Was there a
stand down order? Was there a stand down order six hours?
I don't believe it. I've been to that Gaza border.
You cannot go ten feet without running into a nineteen
year old with an AR fifteen or an automatic machine gun.
That's an IDF soldier. Right, the whole country is surveilled.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
There's also another country that asked Qatar to support hamas
it was Israel. In twenty eighteen, Netsan Yahu himself sent
a secret letter to the Katari leadership. In that letter,
he urged Katar to deliver thirty million dollars a month
to Gaza. He said this funding would help reduce the
motivation of terror groups to carry out attacks, prevent a
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humanitarian crisis, and preserve regional stability. So in May of
twenty twenty five, Netsa Yaho publicly admitted that since twenty eighteen,
his government had allowed Katar to transfer money to Hamas
in Gaza, and that was according to his own request.
That policy was approved by the full Israeli security Cabinet. So,
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if you believe Netsa Yahu himself, he went from asking
Katar to send money to Hamas to bombing Katar for
not extraditing Hamas.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
He doesn't think this serves Israel's interests or the United
States's interests.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, it really doesn't. Katar just gifted the United States
a four hundred million dollar jet. Israel sending bombs in
return is one heck of a thank you note. On
Capitol Hill, Florida Democratic Congressman Jared Moskowitz is deeply concerned
about foreign governments running influence campaigns online in the United States.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
It is totally rampant, allowing foreign governments to just perpetrate
these platforms, all of these bots, all of the time,
to weaponize Americans. You see what's going on here, This
is a byproduct of all of that. What's going on
in the streets is a byproduct of all of that.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, that just sounds awful. We wanted to learn more
about these foreign governments that Representative Moskowitz was talking about,
and they're paid influence operations. And lo and behold, a
foreign country has just signed a forty five million dollar
deal with Google to spread propaganda. It's Israel. If you
don't care at all about Israel or Katar, you should
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at least care about US military equipment being used in
the most stupid of ways. Israel has the F thirty five,
Qatar has US Patriot missile batteries. Is American hegemony in
twenty twenty five really watching our own air defense shooting
down US funded bombs launched from US made planes. This
reminds me of Syria, when forces funded by the Pentagon
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were fighting forces funded by the CIA. This week, US
House Speaker Mike Johnson held a meeting with APAK and
Jewish leaders on Capitol Hill. Several reports out of that
meeting suggest Speaker Johnson committed to screen potential congressional candidates
to ensure they are aligned with the current policies of
the Israeli government. I asked Speaker Johnson about this, and
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he offered this response on record exclusively to our program.
When asked if he was going to screen candidates in
this way, he wrote back no, shocking that I would
be misquoted. The discussion was about general support for Israel,
which has obviously been declining. Christians are called to support
the people and nation of Israel, but not necessarily its politics.
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Speaker Johnson didn't fall into this trap.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who
curse Israel will be cursed.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Those who bless the government of Israel.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Those who bless Israel is what it says, doesn't say
the government. This is the nation of Israel.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So that's in the Bible.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
As a Christian, I believe that.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Where is that?
Speaker 8 (07:06):
I can find it to you.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I don't have the scripture off the tip of mine.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You pull out the phone.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
And use it.
Speaker 9 (07:11):
It's in Genesis.
Speaker 10 (07:12):
Is the to in Genesis?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Is that the same as the country run by Benjamin
net yahou Raio?
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Yes, yes it is.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I guess we can say this about Mike Johnson. He's
probably got a higher IQ than Ted Cruz. Katar is
an ally. I know that because we have a US
military base there. Since Vietnam, no country that has willingly
invited US military Basis has been bombed by US funded weapons.
We see increasing evidence that Netan Yahoo wants forever wars
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in the Middle East. That's not good for Israel, that's
not good for the United States. It's just good for
Netanyahu and his goals sound really awful.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
But the fact is now Bibi and the Israeli hard
right government has a mandate. I gotta be careful the
way I say this too. They're going to try to
ethnically cleanse Gaza. I mean that that's and I don't
use that term lightly.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Okay, joining US now is excellent. Excellency, Sheik Michelle ben
Hamad al Tani, Qatar's ambassador to the United States. Mister ambassador,
thanks for joining US. I think it's awful that Israel
bombed Qatar, especially since your country hosts American troops who
I have visited. Why do you think they did it?
Speaker 11 (08:21):
Man, Thank you very much for having me allow me,
I would say, just for putting your viewers in perspective.
Qatar is a major to ali to the United States
that hosted a data base.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
As you mentioned earlier, it.
Speaker 11 (08:35):
Hosts ten thousand troops in this base. This important base.
The US Army and Katari Army jointly do military exercises
for decades now, and the most recent important cooperation between
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the US and Qatar was the Afghanistan evacuation, is considered
the largest humanitarian evacuation in history.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Unfortunate surprised you as our ally hosting our troops to
have Israel bombing Qatar. It sure surprised me. What do
you think motivated them?
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Uh So?
Speaker 11 (09:18):
Qatar has been mediating between Israel and Hamas for the
past decades, more or less about diffusing tension and on
the borders of Gaza. Hamas has been and Doha for
negotiations for the most recent conflict between them. This was
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at the request of the Israelis themselves. Along the sides
of the United States and Egypt, we've been trying to
really from day one, try to stop the war, bring
back the hostages, and have some humanitarian aid going to
and we had assurances from the Israelis that they have
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committed this process until there isn't strike and cut out
that took place targeting the media mediation, the negotiation team
that was coming to negotiate the latest proposal from the
Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Mister Avassador one way to make sure that there isn't
a peace deal is to execute the people who might
sign it. Do you believe that Israel targeted these negotiators
to ensure that there wasn't the peace deal in Gaza
that the Trump vance administration is when pursuing But I.
Speaker 11 (10:38):
Think you you said it correctly. I'm puzzled to find
another reason for that. You know, we've been trying hard
to bring the parties to an agreement. I think we
were close, and unfortunately Natanyahu and his government decided to
bump the team that wanted to negotiate this deal when.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
They'll launch those bombs. When they launched those bombs, you
have Patriot air defense systems, their American systems. You have
them because you're an ally of the United States. Did
you think about engaging those those Patriot systems to to
knock these, uh, these bombs out of the sky.
Speaker 11 (11:16):
Well, you know, the Israelis have some kind of an
edge to the technology, so most of our patriots were
positioned in another direction.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Unfortunately, since you are.
Speaker 11 (11:34):
An ally and and you're working with the United States,
and we had insurance assurances from from the Israelis that
they will not do such thing, we were really caught
at surprise of this act.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Do you feel like you were relied to?
Speaker 8 (11:49):
We we will be We've been betrayed. To be honest,
we've been betrayed.
Speaker 11 (11:53):
And uh, you know the we are trying to mediate
and we got these assurances and then they send their
team to do to negotiate and they do.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
How are you going to respond to this portrayal?
Speaker 11 (12:09):
Well, last week there was a conference that was held
in Doha, the Stamach World and the other World get together.
There was a very strong statement that as you should,
we are also grateful for the Security Council members who
should a condemnation of such an act against Qatar. And
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we are working now, as you know that during this
important upcoming week the United Nation General Assembly, we are
going to pursue all the lega matters to have Israel
accountable to this act.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You know, mister ambassador, there are viewers of this network
will say, well, gosh, you know, why is Hamas in Qatar? Anyway?
And you wrote an op ed where you said that
the United States had asked Qatar to have Hamas leadership
able to live in the country. Who asked that of Qatar?
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And you know, is that what you were responding to
in this particular endeavor.
Speaker 11 (13:12):
Indeed, it was a request from the United States. It
was also a request from Israel in order to open
an office for communications, and since two thousand and six
our engagement this office has been engaged in negotiations, in medigation,
in diffusing conflict. As you know, Matt, for the past decade,
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there has been many incidents and many eruptions of conflict
on the borders, and we were successful to diffuse this tension,
as we were successful to release one hundred and forty
eight hostages through these mediations.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yes, and there there was a lot of praise for
Qatar's role in allowing the space of those discussions to
get those hostages home. But you said something that is
just so critical, and I don't want it to be lost.
Both the United States and Israel asked Katar to do this,
and then Israel bombed Katar for having done it. So
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I want you, I want you to describe for me
how Prime Minister Netanyahu has asked your country to interact
with MAS from twenty eighteen until October seventh, and specifically
did he ask Qatar to fund hamas to the tune
of thirty million dollars a month.
Speaker 11 (14:34):
Well, it's not only in Natanillo's current government, but when
also he was in government before he asked us as well.
As a matter of fact, this is something that he
has been pushing for Patar to provide some funding for
humilitary assistance and Gaza. The Katari funding were going to schools,
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hospitals and housing. And by the way, Matt, everything was
coordinated with Israelis. Everything was going through guys Rali Bank
and very cross coordination with the security apparatus of Israel.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So I just think it's really unfair for you guys
to get asked to do something, to do it, then
when they bomb you, they blame the thing that they
asked you to do. Like after having gone through that,
does Qatar now see the NETS and Yahoo government as
a partner for peace in the Middle East?
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Well, I mean since the last.
Speaker 11 (15:28):
Strike that Natanio and his government conducted go Katar, we
really don't see that they are sincere about having peace
talks or negotiations until we see some concrete actions that
they are really genuine about finding a solution, finding an agreement,
I don't think we'll be able to do anything.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
That to me just sounds like more death, more suffering,
and it doesn't sound like that's good for Israel. If
Israel is not achieving peace, then their citizens are more
at and that's certainly something none of us would would
want to see. Are you expecting more strikes from Israel
inside Qatar targeting people associated with hamas well?
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Right after the attacks, someone is really official said that
they will do this again.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
But we are very grateful for the.
Speaker 11 (16:20):
President who said that this will never happen again, and
he gave us this guarantee. So I think we are
confident when the US President tell us that this is
not going to happen again, and we appreciate his friendship
and his support to Katar.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Sorry, Arabia just entered into a military cooperation agreement with Pakistan.
What lesson should the United States and Qatar take from
this move?
Speaker 11 (16:46):
Well, I think, Matt, the Saudi Pakistani relationship is a
historical relationship. I think this has been a negotiation for many,
many years. I think everyone wants to maintain security architecture
in the region and make sure that there is no.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Wors erupting.
Speaker 11 (17:09):
So I think with the hope and support with the
United States, we can find a security architect that that
can stop countries from bombing, specifically Israel from bombing others.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, that was a very diplomatic answer. There are many
who are observing this and saying that it is a
sign that major players in the Middle East are looking
to other security partners, not just the United States after
this bombing. Do you think that the agreement between Saudi
and Pakistan is in any way informed by Israel's recent misbehavior.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
I think what there's really behavior has been for the
past year and so is really undermining the stability in
our region. The last strike in dohaves that it's an
evident evidence for.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
For this behavior that is stabilizing our region. We we believe,
we believe mad that.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
M hm.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
We believe that we.
Speaker 11 (18:14):
Need to work together instead of really, uh, you know.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
Taking unionateral measures.
Speaker 11 (18:22):
Katar has been working hard in the United States with
Egypt to stabilize the region, to stop the war. But
actions like that unionaturally does not really help stabilize the region,
and especially when when Israel is bumming a USLI.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I have a theory, mister ambassador, and and I want
to see if you agree with it. And I take
no joy in saying this because I think it's rather dark.
But my concern is that Israel wants to see the
Middle East engulfed in a series of wars and violence.
And my worry is that the NETS and Yahoo government
specifically wants that because they see capital markets in Doha,
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in Riyad and Abu Dhabi and Dubai, and it is
concerning to them that these rising capital markets will have
a lot to say about investment and about the way
of the world, and they just figure if they can
wash the Middle East in blood and war, refugees and violence,
people will want to do less investment there and we'll
want to engage in a fewer friendly business relations. Is
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that a concern you have.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
Well, Matt, you know I can tell you that all
of us in that our world, we're really seeking peace.
This was evident when the Saudi Peace Plan was put
on the table. We are continuing to really engage with Israel.
We would like to have some kind of normalization of relations,
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but unfortunately the behavior of Israel year after year is
not helping us to achieve that.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Good Yeah, you talked about that betrayals, specifically asking uh
Qatar to provide funds to Harmas and and then you know,
sort of blaming you and bombing you as a consequence.
As we move forward, you know, if President Trump and
Vice President Vance asked Qatar to kick out Hamas, is
that something you'd consider.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
Look, I mean.
Speaker 11 (20:21):
Hamas has been there for for a purpose. The office
of Hamas is established there for a purpose. As long
as this purpose is serving the benefit of everyone, then
we will continue working on it. If that purpose is
not there anymore, then of course there's no need for
that office to be there.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And the purpose is peace, right, there's no there's no
other purpose that I that we should be aware of.
Speaker 12 (20:43):
Is there?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Indeed it is.
Speaker 11 (20:44):
It is a line of communication with Hamas to diffuse
any tension and to resolve any conflict, and to really
have these lines of communication.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Uh. You mentioned that the United Nations General Assembly is
coming up. I was really taken by the extent to
which the Arab world really surrounded Qatar with support. Saudi
Arabia called you their sister country, when it was just
a few years ago they were engaged in a military
blockade of view. As you approach the UN General Assembly,
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what type of reaction do you think the world is
going to have to your country? Pursuing peace and being
bombed by Israel for doing so well.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
I think the latest Security Council resolution really proves that
the Tellasian community welcomes the role of Qatar, appreciates the
efforts that we are doing in mediation, whether it is
with the Israelis and the Prestinians orhere everywhere else, from releasing
hostages and of course the latest hostages that were released
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from Afghanistan.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
So I think there's a great appreciation to what Katar
is doing.
Speaker 11 (21:56):
We really appreciate also the support of these countries on
the international community.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Certainly well, we hope that there are more peaceful days ahead.
We do not want to see bombs dropping in Doha.
And we do appreciate in the United States the fact
that our troops, troops from the community I represented in
Congress are graciously hosted in Katar. That is a critically
important mission, as you outlined, because things can really erupt
in this part of the world, and having that presence there,
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we hope, is something that can assure you that our
allies won't bomb you. And I'm glad President Trump has
made this a priority and giving you these assurances. Ambassador
al Tawi, thank you as always for coming on and
sharing your expertise and perspective. Thank you Matt for having
me take care and coming up. A Florida university is
going to erect a statue of Charlie Kirk. It will
be a symbol of free speech in the Sunshine State.
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The president of New College, Richard Corkran, joins me and next,
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Speaker 6 (25:09):
What makes me so happy is I get to impact
people's wives, I get to speak truth, I have purpose,
I get to help save the civilization. And then I
also get to make some money while doing it, and that,
quite honestly, is the most enormous blessing him. I have
the greatest job in the world. I'm the happiest person
in the world. I mean that, I don't blame people
for saying that. I'm a political guy. That is my
day job, right, And so I'm focused on the second
(25:32):
most important thing that I think I think a human
being can focus on. So then of course everyone says,
what's the first thing? Okay, Well, the first thing is
winning souls for Jesus Christ, the most important thing. Well, then, Charlie,
what's the second thing? To make sure you can do
the first thing.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Charlie Kirk is our forever young martyr. Charlie was a
close friend of mine, but even I couldn't see or
feel the impact of his work until after his death.
That's the thing about martyrs, they get an entirely new
life life after death. This will surely include many notable tributes.
We've seen a number of them occur spontaneously around the country,
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around the world. One Florida college is erecting a statue
to Charlie Kirk. New College of Florida was once known
as a liberal bastion of weirdos. Then Governor Ron DeSantis
appointed the staunchly conservative former Speaker of the Florida House
of Representatives, Richard Corkran as its president. Corkoran was booed
in deep voices by transsexuals. When he was selected, he
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was castigated by the liberal pseudo academics in the professor class. Now, undeterred,
he's putting up a statue of Charlie Kirk with us
now as the former Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives,
the former education Commissioner for the State of Florida, and
currently the president of New College of Florida, Richard Corkran,
mister President, tell us about the decision to erect this
(26:49):
statue to Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
Yeah, well, you know, you know, being Flridian Matt. The
New College was this crazy institution that had been taken
over by literally it was considered one of the most
wocust campus. It was, you know, just toxic. It was
terrible and ideologically indoctrinating. And so what happened was we
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really came in and that whole point was free speech
and civil discourse. We're going to expose you to wait
about bumping, We're going to expose you to or at all.
We're going to teach you how to think, and you
can think what you want to think. No indoctrination, zero tolerance,
and then this incident happens, which is just shocking. I mean,
never in American history has there been an individual who's
gone on to college campuses as many as he possibly could,
(27:37):
set up a table and said to anyone, proved me wrong,
let's have a discussion on anything you want. Proved me wrong,
and he gets assassinated for it. And so the experience
that we had at New College bringing back civil discourse,
real academic freedom, real free speech, and the embodiment of
Charlie Kirk and his life service to it, we thought,
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you know what, there could be no better way to
champion that free speech, champion that academic freedom and that
civil discourse. Then honoring Charlie Kirk his life service and
saying we're at university. We are a marketplace of ideas
and we'll accept and tolerate and discuss all of them.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Since making this announcement, what's been the reaction from your
faculty in students.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
It's been really positive. I had a faculty meeting in
the next day and I've not got a single word
of criticism. We've had an outpouring of support from the public.
I've had an outpouring of texts and messages from students.
We have obviously a turning point chapter on campus. They
had a vigil the very next day after the assassination.
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It was completely peaceful and it was one hundred kids,
give or take that came out to the fire pit
and had a great service for Charlie. And so it's
been really positive. We've had sculptors by the dozen reach
out offer free services, so it's very exciting. We hope
to have it done as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
That would be that would be a wonderful testament to
his life, and especially given the transformation in New College.
And I want to talk about that because I think
there are other institutions where maybe the board of trustees
or the lawmakers who appropriate funds to the institutions would
like to see more of the constructive discourse, would like
to see universities not just be a place where people
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are shouted down by the far left. What were the
key tools that gave you the ability to really transform this,
this place of the kind of far left strangeness into
a real university Number one.
Speaker 9 (29:38):
It's a great question, Matt, and I'll tell you it
to Charlie Kirk and the memorial I've read, you know,
I think we announced it on Monday, and I've read
now it's Friday. A legislature here there is going to
have a statue, or somebody is going to have a statue,
or somebody would like to have a statue. I've not
heard other public universities, which goes to the point to
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your question is what do you have to do and
what did we do to transform and revitalize and bring
about an institution that was one hundred percent for that
kind of marketplace of ideas and teaching how to think
about what to think. It's an artois task and it
structs with leadership. I mean, if we didn't have a
governor who said I'm going to reappoint seven new members
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to the Board of trustees and then in that selection
process said I'm going to choose people that are less
concerned about going to a football game and more concerned
with free speech and academic freedom. And so you have
great people that were put on our board, courageous people,
and then they chose me to be the president. I
understand their wishes very clearly and execute those you need
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all three and I think what you're seeing, you know,
this state led the entire country and the elimination of DEI.
And shortly after that you had other states follicued, Okay,
we're going to get rid of at Oklahoma, Texas, the
states that you would think would be in the you know,
saying this is just this is is that our governor says,
this is discrimination and the complete opposite of what they're championing.
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You know, he calls it discrimination and doctrination and exclusion.
And so but these states they adopted and they passed
those rules, and they tell the universities, hey, we're just
getting TI off campus, and these are red, red states.
And then you have you know, undercover people go in
there and they have all these administrators, all of these staffers,
(31:26):
all of these faculty members saying, hey, I know the
governor said we're getting rid of DEI. We're not doing it.
We're just going to rename it and rebrand it. I mean,
these are red states. It's that pervasive in the university system.
And you really have to have the good leadership, and
then you have to it's a bunch of personnelist policy.
You got to get the right people who really believe
that in the right positions. You have to fight for
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shared governance. They talk about shared governments, but what they
really say when they say shared governance faculty members is basically,
we make all the decisions on hiring, We make all
the decisions on who gets into the university, we make
all the decisions on the curriculum. That's their idea of
shared governments. We came in and said, no, it's we're
sharing it. I interview every single faculty new hire, and
to the cegrint of many of the facts.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You, as the president of the university, personally interview every faculty.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Hire, every single one.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I used to work for you, and I can only
imagine what that process must be like for them. What
do you ask them?
Speaker 9 (32:26):
You know, one is I look at their cvs. I
go thoroughly through their cvs. You know, they you look
at their publications, you look at their cover letters, you
look at their we have an internet. They come and
they sit and they give a lecture. You look at
all of that stuff. But basically, you know, we were
awfully popular in the news for a small little institution.
(32:46):
So I said, you've probably read about New College in
the news. Any thoughts on that, any questions for me
on that? To try to get to the point and
most of them will come. Is that I knew full
well that you guys were bringing about this, you know,
positive revolution or free speech and academic freedom and some
of this course, and I think it's long overdue, and
I don't have it where I'm currently, and these are
(33:06):
League universities, so I'd be more than willing to come
down here and champion that exact same play.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, that's interesting. So what you're saying is, once you
get the leadership structure in place, you create an HR
revival where people who actually want to come and do
real pedagogy feel welcome as opposed to jettison. When Governor
de Santas has done such a terrific job with higher education,
I completely agree with your assessment. But I remember when
he was appointing board members to these boards of trustees
(33:35):
and the media went crazy. They said, these are ideologues,
you know, these are people like Rufo, These are people
who don't know the secret handshake of higher education. Are
you telling us now kind of on the other side
of this big transition that you have to have that
you actually should appoint people who share your ideology to
(33:55):
the governance structure and that's how you get the downstream
leadership and the adoption from faculty.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Yes, you need trustees, especially in our you know, across
the country, these big institutions who are going to be
absolutely outrage by the existence of DEI or any kind
of slashing of free speech or any kind of indoctrination,
They're not. What they're outraged about is their football team
(34:22):
started going too.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Well, that would be an outrage in the state of
Florida for a number of institutions. But looking at you,
Gators don't know about how that's going to go. But Richard,
I want to broad in the conversation a little bit
because there is a lot of discussion now about what
the limits of that free speech ought to be, and
there's discussion of hate speech and action against it. When
you see a speech activity going on on your campus,
(34:47):
what's the analysis you apply to see if it has
gone over the line, if it is threatening or harmful
in some way.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
Well, the case law is pretty extensive, and we think
that in all obviously following the law. In fact, one
of the things that I suggested in my book Matt
Storming the Ivy Tower is is the rule of laws.
And another thing that you have to put on college campuses.
And it's not just me. Even Bill Lackman, a liberal
donor to Clinton and Obama, he said, when he looked
(35:17):
at what was going on in Harvard after October seventh,
is like he gave seven suggestions. Four of them were basically,
just have a rule of law and enforce it. Have
some sort of student discipline, and so you know, obviously
we're very big on following the rule of law. You're
an attorney. I'm an attorney, but the case law is
very clear. What I would add to that, Matt is
we're university. Just like Charlie Current exhibited, you know, every
(35:41):
day of his life. Where in the world should free
speech and those limits be tested more than anywhere else
in this country, it's on a university campus. And so
we're very very permissive. We're you know, so like.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
If people do like free Palestine chants, if they go
out and chant like from the river to the sea,
if they go out and say that you know, Netsan
Yahu is a war criminal, that's the type of stuff
you would you would allow, even if there's a substantial
amount of your your student base that might disagree with
those statements.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
Now, well, I mean, you've said a few obviously hate speech.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But okay, are is any of that hate speech?
Speaker 9 (36:19):
I'm wondering, Well, I think if you're saying from the
river to the sea and you're talking about the you know,
in essence, the execution of an entire country, and it's people,
I think you're you're crossing the line.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Really, But I think you think if someone says from
the river to the sea on your college campus, that
would you expel them?
Speaker 9 (36:39):
I mean, it's a harmful speech and under the the
litany of case law, you know, whether it's you know,
a time, place, and manner, and then you have all
of these different things that it lists out that you
know are checks on that speech. But it again, it's,
you know, the default is to allow the speech to occur.
I think if you have if you're in a class
(37:01):
and you have Jewish students and all of a sudden
someone starts saying from the river to the sea in
some sort of confrontational matter, I don't think that's protected.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
What if a Jewish student says that we should drop
a nuclear weapon on Gaza?
Speaker 9 (37:16):
All of those things I think need to be evaluated
in time.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Place I did, Yeah, I think we had a congressman.
Didn't Randy Fine say that like we should knew Gaza?
Would you allow him to say that on your college campus.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
Matt, I've had people on this college campus. I invite you,
and invite Randy Fine. I'd love you and Randy Fine
to come and have a debate over those types of disitions.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Look, get Richard Corkran. I am there. I will debate
Randy Fine on your college campus regarding Middle East foreign
policy anytime, if you can get the Hebrew hammer to
show up and do it. I do want to give
you a chance. Given this transformation at a new college,
what is the value proposition that you offer students? If
someone is considering your institution, what is it that you
think puts new college into the first tier of their selection.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
I think you're going to get exposed to an education
that's going to make you a great human being. I
talk about this a lot, but what we do is
we say that every single you know, it's the liberal
arts has been a fantastic degree. I'm pretty sure that
you have a liberal arts degree. Yes, And so you
look at the leaders in the world. You look at
the leaders in Fortune five hundred companies, almost forty percent
(38:20):
have liberal arts degrees, and a lot of them went
to smaller liberal arts schools. And that's because it teaches
you to critically think. It teaches you to synthesize large
volumes and the information wrestle with those great questions of life.
And that liberal arts education done correctly without indoctrination, but
with the true academic freedom, with great faculty from all sides.
It gives you an education that doesn't just prepare you
(38:42):
for a good job right out of college. It prepares
you for your last job. And in a world of
AI the movement, I don't care if you listen to
the jobs world quotes, you listen to Jensen Mind from Nvidia,
you listen to all Mean, you listen to any of
these Elon Musk, there's a return to this critical thinking.
We don't even know what the jobs of the next
five or ten years are going to be, so we
(39:04):
need to prepare people to be great thinkers, to be
great citizens, great human beings. Education is an end on
to itself. It's what makes us distinc the human is
what Cicero said, And so I think, when you come here,
I promise you will you will have that education.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Richard Corker, the president of New College of Florida. Thanks
for coming on and sharing your perspective. We look forward
to the groundbreaking of the great Charlie Kirk Statue for
free Speech.
Speaker 9 (39:28):
Thanks a lot, Matt, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And coming up, there is sadly a congressional staffer that
has died as a result of being engulfed in flames.
It's a terrible story, but we do want to bring
you the details next.
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Speaker 1 (41:59):
Welcome back. This is such a sad story. Regina Santos Avilas,
aged thirty five, was the regional district director for Congressman
Tony Gonzalez of Texas. She's now dead in Gulfton flames.
On the night of September thirteenth. Emergency services responded to
her home in Uvalde, Texas after reports of a person
on fire. She was severely burned and transported to a
(42:21):
hospital in San Antonio. She died the following day. Authority
say there's no indication of foul play so far. The
Texas Rangers and Uvaldi Police Department are investigating. We're fairly
sure people don't spontaneously burst into flames. Her family says
the accident was something of a mistake, but we don't
(42:41):
really know much about that. It also seems difficult to understand.
She's survived by a husband and an eight year old son,
both interestingly had left the area at the time. Joining
us now is the publisher of Current Revolt. A lot
of folks call it the Texas newspaper of record. Tony Ortiz,
thanks for joining us. What is going on with this tragic,
tragic death.
Speaker 10 (43:03):
Yeah, a horrible news story coming out of Evaldi. Congressman
Tony Gonzalez staffer has passed away and the conflicting reports
on what has actually happened. The mother of the of
the of the woman who's passed is telling reporters that
her daughter did not commit suicide, but sources I've spoken to,
(43:25):
including officials, even some law enforcement, have told me that
it is in fact a suicide. So horrible news out
of there, and hopefully the police release an official statement soon.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I have to say, I mean, we we tragically as
a society, deal with suicide, but I've never seen it
take the form of someone choosing to set themselves on fire.
Does any of the indication from law enforcement show if
there was like fuel that was poured on this woman,
or how did it how did it come to be
It's not that hot in Texas.
Speaker 10 (44:00):
Yeah, You're absolutely right. Traditionally, when it comes to self immolation,
you usually see it for political reasons or for for
political statements. You've seen that recently with some of these
Palestinian protesters setting themselves on fire. But with regards to
this incident, there's no word from police. And that's what's
really interesting. The mother has put out an official statement
to reporters saying that it was an accident, and police
(44:24):
have yet to put out an official statement to sit
to really signify what has gone wrong or what happened.
You know, when it comes to burns, especially at the home,
generally these are things that lead you to a hospital,
maybe a skin graft, But a burn that happens at
home at nine thirty at night on a Saturday enough
to cause you to pass away seems a little out
(44:44):
of the ordinary.
Speaker 8 (44:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
I mean, you know, certainly, if something explodes, people can
get flames on them, but there doesn't appear in this
case in my review of the facts, to be like,
you know, an oven that exploded or a generator that
exploded somewhere, it just seems to be awful. Well, I
also know how close congressional staffs are. That's not hundreds
of people, it's you know, a couple dozen people at times,
(45:07):
and it's often times like a work family. Has the
congressman put out a statement regarding this, and are we
getting any word about how their district operations are going
to function?
Speaker 10 (45:19):
Yeah, Well, that's what's really interesting. When we spoke to
our sources, especially those close to the congressman's office, they
alleged to us that the woman who passed away had
been maybe having a romantic relationship with the congressman. And again,
these are allegations, and the congressman does deserve, you know,
the benefit of the doubt, But we did reach out
(45:39):
to the congressman's office for official comment, and we explicitly
asked if there was a romantic relationship involved with the
two and they did provide us a comment, but no
mention or denial of a relationship.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah. Again, you know, people can make allegations all the
time when American news certainly isn't confirming that. And as
you said, the congressman deserves the opportun unity to lay
out any facts there. But are you expecting to get
an answer to that question? And do we have a
timeline regarding when the authorities might indicate what the cause
(46:11):
of death was?
Speaker 10 (46:13):
Yeah, good questions. And you know, again the police have
been really slow walking this deep Department of Public Safety
is involved, which seems a bit abnormal for maybe an
accident like this, that they're involved in something like this.
But again, the mother's put out of statement saying as
an accident, DPS and police have it confirmed whether that
is accurate or not, And I suppose we'll have more
(46:35):
information next week.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Wow. Well, we will continue to follow the story. It
is a terrible tragedy. Our hearts go out to the
congressional staff members who I'm sure are in trauma right now,
working to serve constituents there in Texas and certainly to
everyone in that community. Just an awful, awful way to
see someone pass, Tony Ortiz. We hope you'll stay on
the story and that we'll be able to check back
(46:59):
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Yesterday, you heard guest host Brandon Strock talk about the
wave of firings that came following Charlie Kirk's assassination. It
is culminated in the de facto firing of Jimmy Kimmel.
For years, the left weaponized every public and private institution
against conservative speech. You could get banned on social media
for whatever they labeled as racism, sexism, election denial, science denial,
(50:43):
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that they supported the Second Amendment or hashtag build the Wall,
or my favorite was the Betsy Ross flag. The FBI
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on their social media timeline. This network One American News
(51:04):
was among those victimized during the Biden administration. Leftist institutions
ranging from the federal government to private rating agencies, put
political and financial pressure on any organization associated with us,
probably because we tell the truth. But now we're back.
It's truly a four years no call. Now we're looking
pretty in a hotel bar story. We're on Spectrum, Charter,
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Bright House, YouTube TV, Dish, Sling, and Voice of America
all added this year, and Jimmy Kimmel is home on
his couch. One person who will be getting less late
night coverage might be our very own producer, Vish Burah
now that.
Speaker 7 (51:38):
George is going to jail, I was wondering what will
become of his body.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Man, I don't know if you remember, this guy was
always by his side.
Speaker 7 (51:46):
Vish Burah aka mister Smiley Beard would just he did
a lot of blocking for George when George didn't want
to talk to anybody. Will he go into prison with
Santos or will they be forced to live apart, living
separate lives?
Speaker 1 (52:04):
That was a good one. I feel like I'm walking
down memory lane right now. Goodbye Vish, Well, goodbye. Jimmy
joining us now as attorney, political analyst and host of
the Tom Wrens Podcast, Tom Wrenz. So, Tom, are you
just going to be crying yourself to sleep tonight without
Jimmy Kimmel's show to watch?
Speaker 14 (52:21):
I'm pretty sad, Matt. I gotta be honest with you.
I think there might be a single tier. Might be
a single tier of joy, but a single tier.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
What does this say about the media landscape and the
accountability when people go too far?
Speaker 14 (52:36):
I think that there's two really important points here. One
is that we see we see capitalism at work right
and this is a great thing.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
We saw that the left, especially under Biden.
Speaker 14 (52:48):
They weaponized everything we said, they came after us with everything,
then they invented cancel culture. Now what we're seeing is
we the right have finally reorganized, We've restructured under Mega,
and we're coming together and we're saying, listen, we're not
going to support anyone that does this. And I think
we really kicked it off with the Budweyser stuff, with
(53:08):
the Bud Buyser boycott, but it's really kind of developed
and now with this, we're coming together to stand for
an American hero. I think it's a wonderful, wonderful thing.
At the same time, though, I do think we've got
to be very careful the way we're doing it. Canceling
on a corporate level is right, but I think we've
got to be very careful about ensuring that we don't
try and make this a governmental action.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
And what do you think should be the limits on that?
Just ensuring that everything is organic and rises up from
people's sentiment.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, So I mean I'm really a big fan.
Speaker 14 (53:41):
Yeah, I do that lawyer thing, right. So the Brandenburg
Test is really an important thing. If there's specific intent
to cause violence and we can do that, well, that's
the limit, right, and it's a good limit. That's what
our constitution says, and that's what we got to do.
The government didn't do this.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 14 (54:00):
I didn't like the CC commissioner coming out, but I'm
okay with him bringing it up a little bit, you know,
because you know, arguably, you know there's something there. Kim
aled for sure saying that this was a MEGA guy.
This was obviously not a Mega guy. Yes, there was
a lie. But the thing that worked on this though,
is that it's a testament to Mega. We the people
(54:20):
have come together and we said, listen, if you're going
to bad mouth an American hero who was murdered a father,
thirty one year old father two beautiful babies, who was
murdered in cold blood by some psychopath who apparently is
part of I don't know, some furry chat club or
some other nonsense. We're not going to support anybody that's
(54:43):
going to run someone who's you know, voicing support for
that kind of behavior. The beautiful part about this is
the way MEGA came together and demanded change. And I
think the difference is is under Biden, we would have
saw Biden pushing for that change.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Under Mega it was a corp, So that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
When we look at this particular move against Kimmel, do
you view that as substantially resetting deterrence against some of
the liberal voices in corporate media where they might just
be a little more down the middle or a little
more kind or do you think that this is just
the beginning of the wave and MAGA will have to
continue to flex in order to get some semblance of balance.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
I think meg is going to have to continue to flex.
Speaker 14 (55:29):
But I think one of the things that we got
to really be careful with, and I'm going to come
back to this a couple of times, Matt is remember
we are the majority, and we're not just a little
bit majority. We're a massive majority.
Speaker 8 (55:40):
The people who.
Speaker 14 (55:41):
Would say horrible things about Charlie Kirk after his death,
I mean, these people are monsters. There's such a small minority,
but under Biden, and that stems from Obama, right, I mean,
this came from Obama as a revolutionary we can move
into Biden. You know, these these radical leftist nutbags were
put out there in a way where we're supposed to
think that they were somehow mainstream. I mean, you remember
(56:02):
Target and they're putting out the tram stuff for little kids,
you know, in their kids department. This stuff was insanity.
It's always been insanity. It's always been a small minority.
Now my concern, and I do have a concern on
this because I'm huge on the First Amendment.
Speaker 8 (56:16):
We've got to be.
Speaker 14 (56:17):
Very very careful that we don't allow ourselves to overreact,
because we're such a big majority that if we did overreact,
we might be talked into, well, let's pass an.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
Anti hate speech law. We cannot do that.
Speaker 14 (56:30):
Hate speech is repugnant, and we got to cancel these
guys light through the corporate action, through boycotts or things
like that. But we cannot ever violate the First Amendment.
Because I remember very clearly when Joe Biden told me
that I was a domestic terrorist because I was against
his vaccine mandates.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
I remember very clearly. It's so true that these are
challenging questions, and the reason the First Amendment exists is
to deal with offensive speech. Offensive speech, speech you don't like,
speech that upsets you, speech that makes you feel attacked,
is not illegal, and it's only the speech that incites violence.
It's a very specific area of case. Law, Tomranz, we
(57:11):
we'll have to have you back on to dive deeper
into some of those legal intricacies, but appreciate you on
the program and hope people check out the Tomarans podcast.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Hey, thanks a lot, Matt. I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Thank you, And that's all the time we have before
we go. We've covered extensively the persecretion of Jaira Bolsonaro
in Brazil. Their legislature just passed an amnesty bill that
will allow the former president to avoid jail and possibly
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