Matt Gaetz Show - Terry Schilling, Curt Mills, Matt Braynard, Alexandra Ingersoll

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
We'll talk drones that are being shot down over Poland
with One American News' own Alexandra Ingersol. We've got Terry
Shilling in studio from the American Principals Project and we'll
see how the United States is looking at foreign policy
in the Middle East with Kurt Mills from The American Conservative.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
It's all on the Matt Gates Show. Let's do this
shaking up Washington, d C.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
We're breaking the fever.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Do you ever watch this guy on television.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
It's like a machine.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
He's great.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Matt Gates, Welcome and Happy Friday. We are on location
here in Washington, d C. On assignment as this city
continues to mourn the passing of Charlie Kirk and the
search for his killer remains a top priority to all
of our authorities. But there are a few other issues

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in the news and we'd like to address some of
those today. Joining me here in studio is the head
of the American Principals Project, Terry Shilling. I appreciate you
being here. You are a creature of this ecosystem of
activists on the political right. You have partnered with Charlie
Kirk in turning point to help get President Trump elected,
to help advance a number of the America first figures

(01:12):
in our politics, like Jim Banks, like a JD.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Vance.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
How is the activist community reacting to this loss of
such an incredible operator and organizer, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Thanks so much for having me mad. Everyone's sad. Everyone's sad,
but everyone's fired up and they're ready to go. The
thing I keep hearing constantly from all my friends in
the movement that knew him, and even the ones that didn't,
is we can't let him die in vain.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
They don't kill you because you're not being effective. They
kill you because you're making too much change. They saw
what Charlie Kirk was doing, and I, frankly Matt he
was an MLK level figure, right. He was having that
much of an impact. He was bringing the young people
in droves to the conservative movement and the Republican Party.
He was turning America around just by going to these
college campuses and bring kids along.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
And there was this theory when I was grown up
that the way you get the young voter is you
go hard libertarian. And I'll be honest, I indulge a
lot of those impulses.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I've got a strong libertarian streak.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
But for Charlie, it was really the message that is
the organizing principle of the American Principles Project, that drew
in people who wanted to start families, who wanted to
be around other people, who were going to church, who
wanted a sense of order, and who weren't really here
for making everything legal and accepting every lifestyle. And so

(02:32):
I'm wondering where you're feeling the energy of young people
now in our politics, and really whether or not we
can look to these more traditional values as a growth strategy,
not just as.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
A way to retain what we have.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Well, man, I get to spend ten days with Charlie
in Las Vegas for the Claremont Fellowship. We were Lincoln
Bellows in twenty twenty one, and.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I can assure you it would be very different than
today's in Las Vegas. With Vegas, that's right.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Well, I lost all my money the first day, and
Charlie don't gamble or drink, so we spent a lot
of time talking and I was blown away. I went
in very skeptical. I see this kid who there's a
lot of hype around. He was a libertarian, but he
was making this transition. It was almost like he was
doing that typical college kid thing where you kind of
start to grow up and you experienced the real world.
But I will say, Matt, he was a force for good.

(03:19):
I mean, he was telling these kids stop playing video games,
stop smoking weed, stop with the hookup culture, live a
purpose driven life, get married, raise a family. And it
was beautiful to see. And I think the thing that's
most hurtful for me is seeing not knowing what he
could have become. Right, I think we all knew in
the back of our minds he was at least going
to run for president. I think he would have been president.

(03:40):
He was precocious, he was audacious, he was just He
was a goat.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
He was a living legend, and the lasting legacy here
will will live on through a lot of these young
people who got involved in Turning Point chapters. You've done
a lot of these campaigns around the country. Explain to
my audience, like what you get when you get a
Turning Point activist who shows up ready to knock on
doors or do voter contact.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
There is an energy level at Turning Point with everyone
that works there that is impossible to match. They're very serious,
they're business oriented, they want to get the job done.
And that was from the top down, right. That was
Charlie leading the charge. He was very serious about saving
our country and he passed it on and and by
the way, they were very selective about who they brought
into the Turning Point world. So these kids that were

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getting involved and engaged, they really did have that Charlie
Kirk fighter spirit.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I do want to turn to something I saw in
the news that I thought you would just be the
perfect person to comment on. Because in suburban Michigan right now,
we've got an all Muslim city council that put forth
a regulation years ago to not have non governmental flags
flown on the public property, and then they were sued
by people who wanted to erect the Pride flag. And

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now we're getting the rulings out of the courts that
in fact, the city council in this suburb of Detroit
wins and they don't have to fly the Pride flag.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
You fight a lot of these culture wars. I'm wondering
what your reaction is to the case.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Well, if you dig into the details here, there's a
lot of interesting things. First of all, the Judge is
exactly right. No cities should be forced to fly the
Pride flag. First of all, it's god awful, ugly, right.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I think it's changed, it's got that triangle, it's not
even the rainbow anymore.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
It's always evolving.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
But the other thing that's very interesting to me is
that this was two typical leftist groups going to war
with each other. The City Council is primarily Muslim, right,
but they don't they're not Republicans, and they're not Republicans.
They're Democrats, but they don't agree with the LGBT lifestyles
and they definitely don't want that stuff pushed on their children.
So you have this very interesting dynamic where the Democrats

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have created this this unattainable and un capable coalition where
it's's going to constantly go to war. It's starting to fracture,
and I think that as we see the Democrats leadership
break up, I think you're going to start to see
a party start to disappear.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
And this was the coalition that Obama was uniquely able
to hold together, right, He was able to hold together
this coalition of non white voters and young voters, and
that really propelled him he did very well with women
as well. And now if you've got the radical elite
left wanting to embrace the strangest features of gender ideology,

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like they are dividing their own coalition. And I think
we saw it first with Hispanics. A lot of Hispanics
who had voted Democrat had been conditioned to vote Democrat.
But when it came to like, wait a second, we're
going to let the boys play in the girls sports,
and we're going to do gender blockers from the school nurse.
And if you don't like the gender blockers, we're taking
your kids away. Like that was very antithetical to Hispanics.

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I mean, are we seeing a Muslim Americans as potentially
a real growth opportunity for conservatives just with a pro
family message, just that we will allow you to raise
your family and we're not going to like force the
pride flag and a gender neutral bathroom every fifteen feet
in your community.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Well, I think that the Democrats have been pushing policies
that are going to fracture their entire party. It's not
just the Muslims, it's Democrats themselves. Matt, You know how
much pulling I've done on this. I spent over a
million dollars on it. And when you break it in
or you break it down, even Democrats are divided. Fifty
to sixty percent. Of Democrats a pose putting men in
girls' sports. They oppose giving kids pubery blockers and surgeries

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for this transgender nonsense. The Democrats have embraced a radical ideology.
It's because they're beholden to a radicalized base that they created.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Let's be very clear. They create this radicalized.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Base by stirring the pot and radicalizing them with hysteria.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
But what you're saying suggest that one side has to
win and one side has to lose. In the Democratic Party,
like you've got Gavin Newsom, who very much wants to
be president, saying, well, maybe we need to moderate on
some of this gender stuff. At the same time, you've
got very loud voices among Democrats in Congress who you know,
literally want to ensure that gender.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Just isn't a thing anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Does the group that you're polling that wants to get
away from this ultimately overcome their captured leadership.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Well, I think we're breaking off small sections of the
Democratic coalition slowly, but as we saw with President Trump
in the twenty twenty four election, the trans issue was
the biggest issue for swing voters that went with Trump, right,
So now we're starting to win elections, it's starting to
actually be the difference maker in victory or defeat, and
so Democrats are gonna have to reconcile with this or die.

(08:33):
I mean, if they don't fix this, that they don't
start to moderate, they will continue to fracture the coalition.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
But here's where it gets interesting.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
That is, if they shell this issue, they've created so
much hysteria by talking about transgenocide, by just not trans
and kids that's a transgenocide, they whip their base into hysteria.
So if they moderate on this, they're going to lose
their base, which you can't lose an election without your base,
especially a.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Midterm election where turnout is so essential. But there still
are those high propensity swing voters. The the seminal ad
in President Trump's twenty twenty four victory was the you know,
Donald Trump is for you, Kamala Harris is for they them,
And I think that's what delivered that shift you just described.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
How do you see that plan out in the midterms.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Is it still as potent or do you dovetail more
into improving sentiment on the economy.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Well, you know how passionate I am about these cultural
issues that are impacting our families. But I think that
the most important istion for voters going into the midterms
is going to be the economy. I think that they're
very concerned about the economy. I think that there's a
broader sense that we're losing American culture in the American
way of life. But I do think that you'll still
be able to peel off two to five percent of
Democrats to bring them over to our side, which frankly,

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in a lot of cases is enough to win.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
An election, enough to win in a landslide, and we'll
be trying to divide that coalition, peel them off and
ensure that the Golden Age is able to continue, because
what a catastrophe it would be if if some of
those lunatics got gavils. Terry Shilling, the head of the
American Principles Project, appreciate you stop buy and joining me
for the thanks, Matt, and coming up, we will be
joined by Kurt Mills. He is the executive director of

(10:05):
the American Conservative and we'll talk about where America's foreign
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Speaker 1 (12:32):
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I'm joined to discuss the week's events with my good friend,
the executive director of The American Conservative, Kurt Mills. So, Kurt,
this week we had President Trump marking September eleventh. This
was such a seminal moment in the shaping of the
world and in what transpired thereafter. With so many millennials,
so many readers of the American Conservative, How do you

(12:54):
look at the impact of September eleventh, two thousand and
one here fast forwarding to this week?

Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yeah, I mean, obviously the timing with this week's events
is eerie. President Trump, you know, is the head of
a nation that is in many ways still at war
and still dealing with the ramifications of the immediate reaction
to September eleven, two thousand and one, and the sort
of culture of fear that took a hold here in Washington,

(13:21):
and a lot of the promise of President Trump's three
campaigns would to sort of roll that back, you know,
maybe returned America to a more innocent time before the
ravages of globalization started in the nineties. And we'll see
if he can finish that unfinished work in this term.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
What I think about on nine to twelve is that
nine to twelve like sense of unity the country had
after nine to eleven, and we were told that this
was this great silver lining that would emerge out of
a tragedy, that we would be unified.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
And behind President Bush.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
And reflecting back, I think that unity was very dangerous.
I think not having people asking serious questions about sending
our troops to war, committing our financial resources to propped
up regimes, did the American people a disservice. And now
whenever there is, you know, there's some great moment of unity,

(14:15):
I try to be a little more critical in my
thinking about it. How do you think back to the
way so many on the right and the left were
brought together to this vision that included, you know, invading Iraq,
invading Afghanistan, and passing the Patriot Act.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
I mean, I think it's very difficult in a time
of crisis to be the person that says, you know,
let's be sober here, let's take a step back, because
I think the national human impulse is to say, let's
do something. But the reality is, if we had kept
our powder a little dry, if we had looked at
the problem in the macro that the reality was that
aslamb bd Laden was a marginal fringe character in the

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Muslim world, in the Arab scene, and that he was,
you know, basically the head of a couple of thousand
of fighters hiding out in caves and deserts, and it
could have been effectively accounter terrorism and police action that
turned into you know, I think an American Holy war
against an entire region, the results of which we are
still dealing with today. And I think we saw a

(15:14):
little bit a bit of this in twenty twenty in
a Sebath theater with COVID, which is crisis, merge, shock, happens,
and people want quick answers, and so we locked down.
There's obviously questions now emerging about the vaccine. People want
a quick action, and if we had just waited a
little longer, I think the history would have looked a

(15:34):
little less grim.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
It was the unity of COVID that brought us the
scorge of inflation, that brought us the lockdowns, and I
do think it's important to reflect on that. I'd also
recall when President Bush was in a debate against John Kerry.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
John Carey made this accusation.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
You've waged this war against the whole Muslim world, sort
of like you said, and Bush said, no, no, no,
because we have Katar. He called them cutter. But he
said no, no, no, we have Cutter. They're with us.
And now we see Israel bombing Qatar. The Prime Minister
made mention of why take a listener.

Speaker 8 (16:10):
We also have a September eleventh. We remember October seventh.
On that day, Islamist terrorists committed the worst savagery against
the Jewish people since the Holocaust. And I say to
Qatar and all nations of harbor terrorists, you either expel
them or you bring them to justice, because if you don't,

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we will.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Bb.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Net Nyahu's saying he's going to be the policeman of
the Middle East.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
How do you think that'll go?

Speaker 7 (16:40):
Yeah, I mean net Yahu's desire to remain in the
center of action at all times, in all hours is
really striking. I mean, I think it frankly exceeds Donald Trump's,
which is really saying something considering one is the prime
minister of Israel and one is the president.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Of the United States.

Speaker 7 (16:54):
The reality is that contra the citizens citizenry of the
United States. And I argue Israel netnya who doesn't have
the luxury of stepping back. He needs constant action and
constant crisis and constant fear and omnipotent confusion, all encompassing

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helter skelter, if you will.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
And what's the limiting principle on that?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Because based on what Netyahu just said, like what's next?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Are they gonna Gaza Doha? Are they gonna bomb Dubai
and Abu Dhabi next?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Because to me, Kurt, this looks a lot more like
Israel being unsettled by rising Arabian capital markets and wanting
to disrupt the liquidity that a lot of those markets
are providing more than responsible geopolitics. I don't see Israel
safer being a country that is lobbying US funded weapons

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at a country that is graciously housing and hosting our military.

Speaker 7 (17:53):
It depends what kind of Israel I think in Israel
that is turning itself into a sort of psycho religious
garrison state, as I think is the direction of the
state heading into the twenty thirties, does want a weak
Arab world and does want a week Muslim world. And
I think you will see them trying to effectively decapitate,
if you will, any society that is strong, even Syria.

(18:15):
The new president Syria. Look, my view in Syria has
been very consistent. Assad was in our business and Achman
al Sharah is in our business. And I think President
Trump basically had that same instinct when he shook the
man's hand in May. He's poised to shake his hand again,
apparently at the UNNGA here in New York in a
few weeks. But net Yahoo has bombed that man's country,
and net Yahoo has bombed now the country of Qatar,

(18:39):
which you know, of course, Trump also shook that Amir's
hand as well.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
And it took a pretty large plane from them.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Does a four hundred million dollar plane not get you
not having US weapons shot at your country?

Speaker 7 (18:50):
I guess the plane wasn't large enough, or there should
have been two planes or something like this. I mean, look,
that country has been villainized, and like, make no mistake,
they have an influence operation, They have a perspective just
like almost any country around the world. But the reality
is that is Arab Switzerland. If nobody is hosting these talks,
that means no talks are happening, and one wonders if.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
That's actually the endgame.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
They don't want to plumb Acine.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I don't love the idea of Hamas being hosted anywhere, frankly,
but like, what are your Would you rather drive them
into a central Asian cave somewhere so that we have
to invade countries and then try to rebuild them with the.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Cost of trillions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Or would we like to have our eye on them
in a place that like Doha that's very permissive for
US intelligence to be able to operate. The Katari ambassador
to the United States wrote several years ago in an
op ed that he that they are hosting these Hamas
leaders because the United States asked, you know, do you

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expect Israel to attack other Arab countries in the coming
weeks and months as they've done.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Not just Arab countries.

Speaker 7 (19:54):
I think there's there's an actual lot of fear in
Turkia and Turkey. Now I mean that is I think,
well report. I think Egypt also fears where they're standing,
and I think other countries should look around in mortal
fear of what the Israelis will do. Israel has effectively
established an air force base in the Middle East with
the support of Uncle Sam or Uncle Sucker, if you will,

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and they are trying to terrorize their neighbors into submission
until the status quo changes. Now, the question is this
might be rational for a certain far right Israeli, Why
is this rational for an American citizen?

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, And I wonder if American politics will put some
sort of limit on the large ass that Congress seems
to be so willing to extend for Israel in these
midterm elections that are coming up. I wonder if in
Republican primaries this is going to be a robust debate
about the future of the US Israel relationship. Is that
something that you guys are going to be watching at

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the American concerned.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
I think so, especially because you know President Trump triumph
over Joe Biden. President Trump triumph over Kamala Harris, and
he triumphed in large measure.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Because he promised and their wars.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
The danger here is thaties are short and that these
are going to become President Trump's wars and not democratic
wars in short order. And I think he needs to
continue to work on the diplomatic track and not be
a supplicant to a foreign power.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
And he has expressed his frustration with these strikes and
quitar I think there was frustration previously expressed somewhat profanely
at Israel and Iran, which, by the way, was nice
to see that there was at least a willingness to
be broadly critical when that broad criticism was warranted, other
than there was withholding of funds, which is.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
A powerful motivator.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Do you see other motivators here where President Trump can
try to constrain the really i would say self destructive
tendencies of the Israeli government right now?

Speaker 7 (21:43):
Yeah, I mean, the funds issue is enormous. There's also
some chatter on the hill, and I think I'm sure
you remember this. The memorym of understanding is coming up
in twenty twenty eight. I know that sounds like a
boring technical thing, but an update on the official US
government's position on Israel that will kerk during this Republican
Terment Office and the KERR about a month before the

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twenty twenty eight presidential election, I think actually could be
a big story in the coming months.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Some are concerned about diminution in the turnout of particularly
young men in the midterms. The greatest motivator of that
group was President Trump the last election. The great organizer
of that group we've lost tragically in Charlie Kirk. But
the issue sets really seemed to be focused on the

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economy and people's economic prospects.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
But then whether or not young men believed that they.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Would see their friends and their classmates and colleagues sent
off to these wars. Are you sensing among your readership
a concern that there's drift away from some of those
stated positions in twenty twenty four in the presidential race.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think I think two things to be true at once.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
I sense very little buyer's remorse generally speaking, in our readership,
and I would say, among people I talked to for
Trump over Kamala Harris, and in fact, I sense very
little buyer's remorse among Democrats.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
People aren't really They're more remorseful that they even went
to ha.

Speaker 7 (23:09):
There's very little affertive argument like wow, it wouldn't be
better if he was president right now. However, I think
there's a lot of concern and disquiet about the you know,
which version of Trump.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Weren't necessarily getting at the moment.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
I think there was, you know, May for our perspective,
was the sort of the zenith.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
He avoided traveling to Israel.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Specifically, he shook hands with the leaders of the big
golf countries Qatar, Uae, Saudi. He denounced neo conservatives openly
in his rhetoric, and I think since the Israeli sneak
attack on the Iranians on June thirteenth, there have been
some concerning rhetoric on foreign policy, and it seems as
if you know, the risk for the White House is

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that they get type cast as a sort of baby
boomer administration delivering tax cuts in war in Iran and
little else.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
And oftentimes with President Trump than other world leaders, you know,
the rhetoric is used as a tool of itself, right.
You know, there was this theory like presidential words matter,
they're so critically important.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
But then you saw it with like North Korea.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know, one minute, it's your little rocket man and
I've got a bigger red button than you.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Another minute, it's a love affair.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
And so there is a fire and ice approach to
how Trump does this where that rhetoric doesn't concern me
as much. I'm grateful that the Twelve Day War wasn't
the twenty year War. And you know, in the week
where we reflect on the meaning of nine to eleven,
you know, it's nice that we are not right now
seeing US troops deployed to the Middle East in active combat.

(24:37):
I'm certainly hopeful that President Trump's able to pursue the
piece agenda so it doesn't happen.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
I think the North Korea example, and just to close
in this is the best case scenario. People forget in
twenty seventeen, we thought we were going to North Korea.
In fact, Obama, in his sort of handoff meeting with
Trump in November twenty sixteen, said the biggest issue you
will face is North Korea, and by twenty eighteen twenty nineteen,
he was shaking Kim Jongon's hands. Now is North Korea stable?

(25:05):
Is North Korea the greatest society on Earth? Of course
not but tests basically slow to a trickle. It was
far more stable than it is now, and certainly was
under the Biden administration. And one has to hope still
that that is going to be the eventual result on
both the Iranian and the Russian portfolio.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Imagine if Trump's letters back and forth with Kim like
become the centerpiece of some lecture or course taught on
geopolitics and how to bring peace, it would be something else.
Kurt Mills, Executive director of the American Conservative, Thanks, as
always for sex to join the program, and coming up
will continue our discussion of the midterms with ACE strategist
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Speaker 1 (28:03):
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
We wanted to check in on where things stand with
the midterms and all of the redistricting battles, and so
I brought an ace Republican political strategist, Matt Brainerd for
the conversation. Matt, I wanted to have this discussion with
you because regularly we're checking in on what stayed is
trying to redraw, what maps and where the battlespace looks like. Obviously,
we've been shaken this week by the murder of Charlie Kirk,

(28:25):
and you are so frequently the type of consultant who
is showing up for the campaign walks, who is on
the ground when the activists are there to do voter contact.
And you've seen this army of young people who are
inspired and have had some interface with Turning Point or
their content. Speak about how Turning Point in Charlie Kirk

(28:47):
have really shaped the tools that are available for campaigns
like those you organize and run.

Speaker 9 (28:52):
Sure you know whenever I'm on a conservative campaign trail.
One of the first things we do is we check in, hey,
is there a local turning Point chapter because there are
a lot of different groups that they have parties, they
like inviting special guests, that kind of thing. Yeah, but
when it comes time to doing work on the ground
that moves the needle that wins elections, those turning point kids.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Are at the very front.

Speaker 9 (29:14):
There are top party And you know, I remember years
and years and years ago showing up a seapack and
there was this new group there and they just had
a couple of tables. It was turning Points. So, no,
that's interesting. It's kind of like other groups, but no,
this is different. And I met their leader and over
the years he became a good friend of mine. He
helped me out tremendously. He did great things for the
organizations I have run. He did his endorsements were critical

(29:37):
for maybe the candidates I worked for. But apart from that,
he was just personally a really, really nice guy. Just
to spend time around the friendliest fault. You know, in
DC you get a lot of phoniess where folks don'tt
if you're not in their category or their status. You
have to talk to their staff and maybe the staff
don't even call you back.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
But it was never like that with Charge.

Speaker 9 (29:56):
I always just messaged him about little things, campaigns here
and there, and he was always incredibly responsive. And I mean,
it leaves a hole in my heart, as it does
many of the other people who interacted with him in
that way. And it it just hits you so hard
because he's a father, husband and just a great guy.
It's just hard to even imagine this having happened, even

(30:16):
though we all saw it happen. And you know, this
is going to be a long morning time. It's going
to take a while for this one to yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
That almost sense of denial that is a normal part
of the grieving process. That has been the sentiment of
many of my friends who work in the administration, work
in the White House. I spoke this week with Deputy
Chief of Staff Stephen Miller, and he he said, I
just still can't.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Believe Charlie's not here. I can't believe we can't pick
up the phone and call him and seek his advice
about things.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
And he also had this really important role anchoring populism
within our movement. And you know, you're known in the
consultant strategy space as somebody who usually aligns with populist candidates,
not the corporatist establishment candidates. Talk about how the struggle
is impacted by the departure of someone like Charlie Kurk.

Speaker 9 (31:04):
You know what, Morton Blackwells, a godfather of politics that
has something to say about this, which is, never fully
trust someone until you saw them fighting for a cause.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
They know he was going to lose, but it was
a good cause. And that was Charlie.

Speaker 9 (31:17):
Time after time he would take these fights that were
against the establishment that you just knew were probably not
going to pan out. But he was there like a
champion on the front lights, swing with all he had,
building an entire organization to do that, doing it in
ways that weren't always in front of the camera, but
often behind the scenes. And I you know, your referenced
Stephen Miller saying, Hey, you know, you want to call

(31:38):
this guy, but what you can't. Suddenly there's now this
big gap. But I don't know how we're necessarily gona
fill I'm sure we will, but he leaves a tremendous
gap in the culture and the machinations and the machinery
of the populist right, and it's going to be a
while before you can fill it because he was just
such an effective age.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
And if you wanted inspired conservatives in the early aughts,
you like went and found where were the Ron Paul people?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, because there's a lot of young people that
were really enthusiastic about his campaign.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Now, like you say, where's there a turning point chapter
of where can we plug in?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I do want to talk about where those front lines
are now.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
When we spoke last, I was almost in denial that
Gavin Newsom really was going to spend two hundred and
fifty million dollars on the most expensive cartography project you
know that I'm aware of, to redraw the lines in California.
You gave commentary that if this thing really breaks into
an arms race where Republicans and Democrats or redrawing lines

(32:40):
all over the country, you felt like that gave Republicans
a slight advantage. Do you still feel that way and
what is your sense of how red states are responding
to what we're seeing in California.

Speaker 9 (32:51):
I do still feel that way, but it's not for
a fundamentally good reason. The reason I felt this way
was because the last time we had to draw lines,
Democrats went all out. They spared nothing, whereas Republicans did not.
They did not squeeze every ounce of congressional seats they
could from states. Now that we have a White House
who knows what time it is and how it is

(33:12):
to fight, they're trying to inspire at the state level
states that can get another couple of seats to do it. If, frankly,
if President Trump's the administration weren't whipping this, it wouldn't
be happening. Frankly, I don't think you could even count
on the House leadership, whose jobs and gavels depend on this,
to be whipping this. It is the White House putting
full court press on the additional couple of states to

(33:32):
try to squeeze a few additional seats out, and they're
doing everything they can without that. But Texas probably wouldn't
have happened at all. And it's the states that we
still have to see.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Some of them are questionable.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
And if they get over the finish line, drawing the lines,
picking up another couple of seats here and there's the
White House gets all the.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Credit for that one.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
You did a lot of the data work for the
Trump campaign in twenty sixteen. Where do you see those
key decisions being made, what states? What encouragement do you
think those folks, So.

Speaker 9 (34:02):
You just get I feel like that there are enough
folks in each of these states where we have supermajorities
in the state legislature, a complete trifect to control where
we have the governorship and the state Senate at the
state house.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
To push this through.

Speaker 9 (34:15):
But there's still like a couple of whiny Republicans that say, oh,
we don't want to do this.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
I'm comfortable with my district.

Speaker 9 (34:21):
I'd rather win by eighty percent every time than seventy
percent then to have to really work for reelection. But
the White House, you know, they're not actually throwing daggers.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
At these folks. They're putting their arm around them.

Speaker 9 (34:32):
They're planning to bring folks to Washington to sit down
in the oval office of the President can explain to
him how this country is going. All the progress we've
made over the last few months is going to come
to a complete stop after the midterms if we don't
succeed in keeping the House, and how that will have
a down ballot effect and have a national effect to
hopefully pull them along, because look, the truth is that

(34:55):
redistricting is a tertiary fight right now. For the midterms,
they're bigger issues right Their Number one is going to
be the popularity of the president, because the president's always
on the ballot. Number two is House successfully with fundraising,
hopefully a lot stronger than we've been in past cycles
because we have the White House.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
But again, because the House is just a couple.

Speaker 9 (35:14):
Of votes here or there, these little skirmishes like can
Indiana get us one more seat, can we maybe squeeze
another two seats or three seats out of Ohio? Can
Missouri get us another seat that might actually determine control
of the House? And one vote one seat is the
difference between gaining President Trump's agenda through or about seven
or eight impeachments one a week and constant, constant roadblocks

(35:37):
and investigations and putting the brakes on every And the
Democrats know that, and they're fighting it on the other
side too. They've got they're already suing Texas, They're going
to be suing other states that push push forward with
any kind of redistricting. Florida is going to have a
you know, they're potentially going to give us another three seats,
but they have their own challenges with that legally, so
it's just going to be a huge legal battle even

(35:58):
after the lines are passed.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, it sounds like in the Midwest we've got a
lot of juice to squeeze there in places like Indiana, Missouri, Oklahoma. Gosh,
if we could get rid of the Midwest nice with
our Republicans and get them in the fighting mode, that
would be preferable. I am curious what seats you're looking
at as the Bellweather seats for who is going to

(36:21):
control Congress if there isn't a fundamental change in the maps.
I look at an Omaha seat that a Republican holds
right now, but that is drifting the other way with
that Republican retiring.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
That's the Don Bacon seat.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I look at the main seat that Jared Golden, a Democrat, holds,
one that Republicans could potentially pick up in the sun Belt.
We see on the border of Texas a lot of
Hispanics coming our way. Maybe in Laredo Republicans pick up
a seat. Where else should we be looking now?

Speaker 4 (36:48):
I think you can look back at Washington's third district.

Speaker 9 (36:51):
If you can get a strong candidate who actually gets
the funding it doesn't get outspent three or four or
six to one in the general election.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
That can be a competitive seat too.

Speaker 9 (36:59):
There's a a half i'd say about ten seats right
now that President Trump won or came very close to winning.
The Democrats currently hold. But we also have we have
to be on defense because we've got some seats in
like on Long Island for example, that we can either
pick up like the third district and the fourth dist
or if we have a shot there, but we also
have to defend Mike Klohler seat.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
So again it there's so there's like maybe twenty or
thirty seats.

Speaker 9 (37:22):
They're all right on the margin because historically when the
president has the White House, the opposite power, the opposite party,
they'll pick up like twenty thirty, forty.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
It's almost like clockwork every time.

Speaker 9 (37:31):
Now there's a few times where this didn't happen, where
they didn't lose seats, or they maybe even have picked
up seats and spend in recent years. It really is
going to come down to how's the economy doing, how
are people confident in President Trump? And I think we
have a little ace in the pocket in our back
pocket because next May, President Trump gets to pick his
own FED chairman, and that guy, I don't know about

(37:54):
the guy right now, but that guy's going to know
what time it is and it's going to be time
to reduce redates, get the economy rocking, and hopefully the
president he's been a fantastic fundraiser, if he can turn
on the spigott for congressional candidates and at least parody. Right,
If we can ninety parody at least within twenty percent
of the Democrats, would be great.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
We could even expand the map, right.

Speaker 9 (38:14):
But if we're getting hammered like we have in past cycles,
and you know we're going to be in big.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Trouble, Matt Brainerd says, at least give him like not,
you know, one third the amount of bullets as the
other side. When we go into buying these advertising points
and television points and media points.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I think that'll be important.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
And I think that what our discussion showcases is the
level of focus this administration is putting into keeping control
of the House.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
In particular.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Matt Brainerd, he was the chief data scientist on the
twenty sixteen Trump presidential campaign, now one of the best
consultants here getting Republicans selected in Washington, DC.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Thanks so much for stopping by, Thanks for.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Having me, and we will be back with Alexandra Ingersol,
the chief Pentagon's correspondent for One American News. She's got
updates regarding the strikes in Dohaktar and a move by
Russians to put drones over the skies of Poland. It's
got all of Europe roiled up and we'll discuss it next.

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Speaker 2 (41:28):
We wanted to check in on a few things going
on around the world and with our military, and fortunately
we have with us in studio our chief Pentagon correspondent,
Alexandra Ingersol. Alexandra Thanks for being here. You have really
been covering this war between Russia and Ukraine and things
are not looking great. I observed reporting you had done
about some of these drones that have been shot down

(41:51):
over Poland.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
What can you tell us about it.

Speaker 10 (41:53):
Well, Europeans are certainly seeing this as a tenuous.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Kind of escalation.

Speaker 10 (41:59):
I would say after nineteen drones entered Polish airspace earlier
this week. It's not the first time that Russia has
had drones enter Polish airspace, but it is notably the
first time that NATO defenses were deployed to deflect these
drones or shoot them down. So this is when Article

(42:23):
four of the NATO Treaty was invoked, which is important
because this triggers a conference, a consultation among member nations
when a member nation is perceived as being threatened. There
were no casualties in the drone attacks. There was some
deliberation back and forth whether it was deliberate or accidental.

(42:50):
The President just said about an hour ago that he
thinks it still could have been accidental. But all of
the Polish officials are saying, nah, it was deliberate.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
And it sounds like in Poland they're they're pretty aggrieved by.

Speaker 10 (43:02):
This, very aggrieved by it. They're the Polish officials, the
Prime Minister and the Minister of their in charge of
their military. They are saying that five of these drones
were aimed at this one airport that I'm going to
butcher this pronounce Pronuncius and the Jijo Yashanka airport. It's

(43:23):
seen as sort of a NATO hub for Poland weapons,
arms supplying and.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Things like that.

Speaker 10 (43:30):
You know, they really don't want to and you know,
I've conferred with people at the State Department as well.
They really want to avoid the invocation of Article five
of the NATO Treaty, which would escalate things significantly. This
you know, gives the presumption of military and armed intervention.
It's only been invoked one time and that was after

(43:53):
the events of nine to eleven here in the United States.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
And it you know, it seems to be that Ladimir
Putin may be overplaying his hand here. He's annoyed President Trump.
He seems to be unnecessarily annoying Poland. If this was
not an unintentional maneuver, and there seems to be patients
wearing thin.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
For what it will take to bring this war to
an end.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I know over at the Pentagon they would view a
resolution of these hostilities as a major win. But they're
having to continue to plan for what's before us, not
what we aspirationally hope is next. What can you tell
us about the planning and the involvement of our Pentagon
in what's going on right now in Europe.

Speaker 10 (44:35):
You know, it's interesting a lot of these Pentagon officials,
they don't want to speculate, They don't want to put
the car before the horse. They I've kind of been
communicating with NATO sources and they're saying that they're seeing
this as a provocation, and you know, they're doing their
best to kind of tamper things down.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, it would seem as Poland is more and more aggrieved.
President Trump the energy out of the Pentagon wanting to
get closer to that resolution. I did want to ask
you about another major hotspot that we have in the
Middle East. We saw Israel strike Qatar that drew a
big condemnation from every country in the Arab world. How

(45:14):
is the Pentagon thinking about that attack and are they
hopeful that this won't be a sort of a new
normal to have bombs dropping in Doha?

Speaker 10 (45:22):
Well, certainly it was unprecedented that the attack, the attack
on the Hamas headquarters in Doha in Qatar, we've we've
never uh, I should say, Israel has never attacked inside
Qatar before. You know, you saw Caroline Levitt saying that
this is you know, unfortunate that it happened in Qatar,

(45:43):
but it is a worthy goal to be going after,
you know, the terrorist Hamas leadership, and uh, you know,
it's an it's unfortunate, you know, this could really push
put back the advancements of the Abraham Accords and the
belief that's what a lot of strategists are saying. And
it's just unfortunate the location of this attack, especially because

(46:06):
many strategists are saying this was just a misfire by
Israel since none of the senior leadership that they were targeting.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Ended up being casualties.

Speaker 10 (46:16):
It was the Sun and the office manager and a
few other casualties sort of maybe junior ranking officials, but
none of the original senior targets were hit well.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And to like you say, to throw such a disruption
in the Abraham Accords, which we want to see an
expansion of those Abraham Accords. We want to see the
Reprochmaann in the Middle East. That brings neighbors closer together
and that stops the spilling of blood and American treasure.
And I agree with that assessment if it's what you're
picking up from some administration officials that this was a

(46:51):
move by Israel against Israel's own interests. Israel's interest certainly
would be would be advanced with more nations signing onto
the Abraham Accords, And looks like there's a ways to
go to get there. A final question for you, Secretary
of War, did make a visit this week to Puerto Rico.
What were the major points that the Pentagon wanted us

(47:12):
to take away from that visit.

Speaker 10 (47:13):
Yes, the major points were just really energizing the troops
down there and strengthening the ties between you know, us
in Puerto Rico. You know, they're a huge stronghold in
the Caribbean for you know, harboring our troops, and as
the activities down in the Caribbean keep escalating, it's going

(47:34):
to play a vital role in what's to come.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I'm glad. I think it's about time. I remember being
on the Armed Services.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Committee and everybody had some question about some Central Asian
Cave or some far flung dispute, and right here in
the Gulf of America, right in the Caribbean, so many
narco traffickers were having a permissive environment to the detriment
of our fellow Americans. So it's great to see that
mission really energized and reinvigorated.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Alexander Ingersoll, thank you.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
For your coverage of military and foreign affairs and looking
forward to checking in.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
With you soon.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4 (51:43):
Enjoy.

Speaker 11 (51:45):
I go around universities and have challenging conversations and because
that's what is so important to our country is to
find our disagreements respectfully, because when people stop talking, that's
when violence happens.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Someone.

Speaker 11 (52:00):
Well, it's a growing trend because people like me are
facing violence assaults the left, yes, the campus Antifa.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I've been stormed out of restaurants.

Speaker 11 (52:11):
I've been assaulted publicly, multiple death threats. There's more people
that agree with me than some people would actually believe,
and they come out of the woodwork. When I do
stuff like this, we record all of it so that
we put on the internet so people can see these
ideas collide. When people stop talking, that's when you get violence.
That's when civil war happens because you start to think

(52:31):
the other side is so evil and they lose their
humantic pressure is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
You want to have a debate, but you actually don't defate.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Shut Charlie Kurr.

Speaker 11 (52:40):
It is easy to interrupt and to scold and to insult.
You know what's hard. I have to go to a
college campus and defend ideas that are in the minority
of a lot of these kids. Worldwiwe I mean, I
don't like any elite. You're in college paying for an education.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
What is a woman? You don't need media training.

Speaker 11 (53:00):
It's not a trick.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
What is a woman?

Speaker 11 (53:05):
You can't answer the question with the It's the college
kids of America going one hundreds of thousands of dollars
in the debt who think it's a trick question when you.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Ask them what a woman is?

Speaker 11 (53:15):
It's wrong to murder a baby. You're not murdering a baby? Okay,
what is it?

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Then?

Speaker 5 (53:20):
It is an embryo?

Speaker 11 (53:21):
What species is the baby in the womb?

Speaker 5 (53:23):
It's a human?

Speaker 11 (53:24):
But therefore they should have human rights?

Speaker 10 (53:26):
No, I do not agree.

Speaker 11 (53:28):
Oh so so small humans no human rights? Grown humans
human rights? A small human?

Speaker 4 (53:33):
It's an embryo.

Speaker 11 (53:33):
It has a heartbeat, it has brainways, make it a child.
The excuse is given for abortion is dehumanization. Oh it's
just an embryo. Guys, that's just using different language to
justify the massacre of something smaller than you.

Speaker 7 (53:45):
Do you feel proud of yourself for debating college kids
who are unprepared to speak in front of an audience
like yourself.

Speaker 10 (53:54):
Do you think that's a little bit silly?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Are you a voter?

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I am a voter.

Speaker 11 (53:58):
Oh, so I vote and you vote. So I'm talking
to voters of this country that will determine the future
of Western civilization.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
That's what I'm doing here for that.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Yeah, question, what advice do you have for me as
a Republican aspiring social worker?

Speaker 11 (54:11):
Conservatives believe that if you're in poverty, it's largely because
of values, not because of lack of stuff Like what values?
Not saving money, abandoning your spouse after impregnating it, not
spending all of your money on alcohol.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Although Jesus does tell us to tell people do not sin,
it's not our place.

Speaker 11 (54:28):
To judge them. Do you think murder should be illegal?

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Murder is illegal.

Speaker 11 (54:32):
A fetus is inside of the body.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
You know what I'm saying, like it can't live on
its own.

Speaker 11 (54:36):
Why does somebody's location determine their moral worth?

Speaker 5 (54:39):
It doesn't.

Speaker 11 (54:39):
But it's simply about the fact that if you feel
like that's what you need to do with your body,
then that's what you do. If it's not your DNA,
how is it your body? It is your DNA, it's
a part of you, it's growing in you, it's attached
because now it's actually not and so it's not You
are not your mom's DNA, you're not your dad's DNA.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
You are new dioxo ribal nucleic acid.

Speaker 11 (54:59):
So shouldn't we say that if it's not your DNA,
it's not your choice.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
I mean you could say that.

Speaker 11 (55:07):
Thinking that you are a man when you are a woman,
or thinking that you are a leopard when you're a human.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
How are they different?

Speaker 11 (55:12):
Here's the core of it. No one would care if
a thirty year old was wearing a dress. For years
we called them cross dressers, and no one cared. The
problem is that we now have to change our language,
our beliefs to validate something that we know is not true.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
We must teach it politeness, like the world changes, like
you're not allowed to say certain things.

Speaker 11 (55:28):
Well, it could change for the worst, for sure. No
one acknowledges that you can have digression. No one acknowledged
that you can regress from something that has worked. We
do not have to accept all progress as if it
is good. Sometimes you can have progress over a cliff
and the transgender craze these last ten years, a social
contagion is a very bad thing. I vote for Trump

(55:49):
because you'll be wealthier, happier, there won't be World War three,
you will have a border.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Can you tell me why? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (55:54):
Absolutely, because for four years we saw that people your
age were able to own homes, Your wages went up.
There's a first president in forty years where we did
not have a new war.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Correct.

Speaker 11 (56:03):
We had new wars under Clinton, new wars under Bush,
new wars under Obama, new wars under Biden. But Donald
Trump we had no new wars.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I don't know, you're the expert.

Speaker 11 (56:13):
Because he was a great president, because we had we
had peace treaties, because it was peace through strength. The
point is that we don't have to guess about the
type of president. Are weak Are we weaker with like
a democratic leader?

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Absolutely, that's that's the argument.

Speaker 11 (56:29):
We'll think about it. Our dollar is worthless, bricks is ascendant.
Putin invades Ukraine. What we know is the reality is
that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians did not die under
Donald Trump's watch. They did die under Kamala Harris.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
And Joe Biden.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Sure, yeah, that's I'm not I can't.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Argue with that.

Speaker 11 (56:46):
Looks like we have a Satanist to begin. In the
name of Jesus, I repudiate this unclean spirit. Jesus is
the way, the truth, and the life, not today, Satan,
not today at Illinois, stay in a very soon. Love

(57:07):
is not affirmation. Love is not confirmation. Love is making
sure that you care so much about the other that
you're willing to challenge and point out flaws when you
see them and have the courage to articulate it. That's
what love is as embodied by Christ, our Lord, because
you have true love right there.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
So what faith do you practice then?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Because you say Christianity, do you have a specific sect?

Speaker 11 (57:30):
It's like evangelical Basically they where did Bobar huss come?
And I hope he accepts Jesus in his heart.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
I'm trying to give you the opportunity to alleviate hate
within this group of people.

Speaker 11 (57:50):
Who have But hold on a second, there's no hate.
There's just love of America here in this audience. That's
all that's here today. Okay, that's all that's here.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
The Great Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
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Speaker 1 (58:18):
Let's go get them