Matt Gaetz - Steve Hilton, Dr. Peter McCullough, George Fishman, Alireza Jafarzadeh

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Charlie Kirk Memorial was the most powerful thing in
the intersection of politics and faith we've ever seen. Steve
Hilton and I were there and we'll discuss the highlights tonight. Plus,
the Trump administration has big news on a cause of
increased autism rates. Tyl and All is squarely in the
crossairs of new allegations, and doctor Peter McCullough is here
to tell us what we need to know. Also, the

(00:21):
UN General Assembly is meeting. We've got insights on a
key middle eastiche issue, and we'll expose the foolishness of
the mainstream media and their attacks against Apartment of Homeland
Security Secretary Christinome. It's all next to the MATC Gates Show.
Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C. We're breaking
the fever. Do you haven't watch this guy on television.

(00:41):
It's like a machine. He's great. Matt Gates as we
join you this evening sadness has turned into revival following
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Yesterday, a memorial service was
held at the Arizona Cardinals Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. Over
sixty thousand people jammed into the venue. Tens of thousands

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of others went to the overflow baseball stadium next door.
My wife and I attended to honor our friend Charlie
and share time with the Maga family we love in
remembrance of Charlie Kirk. I couldn't help but think as
the seats filled, the anticipation rose, the stars entered to applause.
Man Charlie really would have loved this. This is exactly

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the more memorial he would have planned. I kept asking
God during the service, why did you have to take Charlie?
If a martyr had to fall, why couldn't you take
a lesser figure, someone who wasn't so good at everything?
Perhaps we lost Charlie because in thirty one short years,
Charlie had accomplished his life goal. He really did turn

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the youth around. I don't think this generation of young
people who just voted for Donald Trump is going to
grow up and grow eager to elect AOC or zoron
anywhere outside a fifty mile radius of Brooklyn. Was the
turning point. Permitting any regression on our watch would be
a stain on his legacy that we will not allow.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
For Charlie, we will rebuild this United States of America
to greatness.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
For Charlie.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
We will never shrink, we will never cower, and we
will never falter, even when staring down the barrel of
a gun. That is what we must do for Charlie.
He ran a good race, my friend.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I love you.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
We've got it from here.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
His legacy must be that when they took his life,
a million more Charlies stepped up to fill the void.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
We are all Charlie.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
By trying to silence Charlie, his voice is now louder
than ever. To stand together continue the mission that Charlie
dedicated his life to.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
In just thirty one years of life, he made a difference.

Speaker 8 (02:57):
He mattered, and he will matter now more than he before.

Speaker 9 (03:00):
We'll continue the mission for Charlie. We will end the
evil disease that split us and took Charlie from us.
And for Charlie, turning point, USA will last forever.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Charlie has heard the words echoing now in heaven. Well done,
good and faithful servant. Charlie will take it from here.
I got to catch up with many members of the cabinet,
and even Elon Musk. I thanked Elon for coming. He

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had only known Charlie since the presidential transition, but the
two became fast friends. Charlie Kirk looked up to Elon
so much, and in knowing Charlie as I did, I
am certain he was smiling from heaven when Elon and
President Trump spent some time together. Multiple themes carried throughout
the day. White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller

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drew a clear distinction between builders like Charlie and those
responds contible for his death.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy, you
are envy, you are hatred. You are nothing. You can
build nothing, you can produce nothing, you can create nothing.
We are the ones who build. We are the ones
who create. We are the ones who lift up humanity.

(04:25):
You thought you could kill Charlie Kirk, You have made
him immortal.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
There was a similar determination in the eyes and voices
of the Turning Point stars, who organize events, set up venues,
plan conferences, and inspire millions. Many of the heroes of
the MAGA movement spoke yesterday. Listen to Turning Point Action
CEO Tyler Bauer and Chief Turning Point spokesperson Andrew Colviott.

Speaker 10 (04:53):
I met my friend Charlie at twenty fourteen. We connected
when Turning Point USA was just in its infancy, sharing
the vision for what the conservative movement should be. All
it takes is two dudes to dream up big stuff
and talk to each other in really insane ideas, which
Charlie and I did often to one another. It was
around the clock problem solution chat that worked to dream

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big for the conservative movement.

Speaker 11 (05:15):
It's only now that I'm beginning to realize what was
going on all these years that I spent with Charlie.
We called them campus tours. Now I know they were
really tent revivals, complete with a tent. I see it
now clearly that Charlie Kirk was a prophet, not the

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fortune telling kind that could predict the future, but the
biblical kind. He confronted evil and proclaimed the truth and
called us to repent and be saved.

Speaker 10 (05:46):
He always said to me, if we could just figure
out how to bring the Holy Spirit into a Trump rally,
think you've done it.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
As you can see, politics and organizing was only part
of the day's message. Faith was the cornerstone of Charlie
Kirk's life, and we saw the fruit of his faith
an incredible marriage an incredible family. We heard stories from
the scripture from Tucker Carlson, and we saw faith and
love and grace on full display in the remarks of

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Erica Kirk.

Speaker 12 (06:20):
God is here and you can feel it. And Charlie
would have loved this, not just because he loved large
groups of people, but because ultimately he was a Christian evangelist.
And it actually reminds me of my favorite story ever.
So it's about two thousand years ago in Jerusalem and
Jesus shows up and he starts talking about the people

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in power, and he starts doing the worst thing that
you can do, which is telling the truth about people.
And they hate it, and they just go bonkers. They
hate it, and they become obsessed with making him stop.
This guy's got to stop talking. We've got to shut
this guy up. And I can just sort of picture
the scene in a lamp lit room with a bunch
of guys sitting around eating hummus, thinking about what do

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we do about this guy telling the truth about us?

Speaker 6 (07:08):
We must make him stop talking.

Speaker 12 (07:12):
And there's always one guy with the bright idea, and
I could just hear him.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Say, I've got a idea.

Speaker 13 (07:15):
Why don't we just kill him.

Speaker 12 (07:17):
That'll shut him up, that'll fix the problem. It doesn't
work that way. Everything is inverted, and the beatitudes tell it.
I think the most crisp believe everything is sort of
the opposite of what you think it's gonna be.

Speaker 7 (07:29):
My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men, just
like the one who took his life.

Speaker 10 (07:42):
On the cross.

Speaker 14 (07:43):
Our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they not know
what they do.

Speaker 8 (07:57):
That man, that.

Speaker 14 (08:01):
Young man, I forgive him.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Steve Hilton is a Republican candidate for governor of California.
He's the leading candidate right now. He was with me
yesterday the Charlie Kirk Memorial Service. Gave me a much
needed hug and joins us now. Steve, first of all,
thank you for the kindness. I was sort of a
mess yesterday, but it turned better. There was a there
was a real sense of revival. Would would love your

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reaction to Erica Kirk's comments and the whole day.

Speaker 8 (08:37):
Well, all of it was amazing. It was.

Speaker 15 (08:39):
It was on so many levels amazing. Just the feet
of pulling it off was a tribute to Charlie itself.
This incredible team. At turning point, I've been on the
road talking about Charlie. It's just one of those things
because I've had a very busy campaign schedule, just as
happened to coincide with the last kind of week and
a half. And one of the points I keep making
is that you know, this description of Charlie you hear
in the media can conservative commentator.

Speaker 8 (09:01):
Is so far from what he really was.

Speaker 15 (09:03):
You know, of course he built this amazing entrepreneur, built
this incredible organization. Yesterday was a tribute to that, apart
from anything else. Look, I think that it's just this
terrible but also wonderful combination of emotions, and I thought
it was on full display yesterday, incredible grief and sadness,
both those of us who knew him as you and

(09:23):
I did, and those who didn't, you know, equally affected
with terrible sadness, grief and loss, but also truly, and
I know I'm not just saying this to make myself
feel better, and I know that, and it's true of
everyone else, extraordinary impact here in a positive direction, the
revival that the personal impact. I mean, that's one of

(09:45):
the things that I feel, and I said this to
you yesterday, I feel transformed by this in a positive direction.
I mean, one of the lines that stood out to
me from all the brilliant speeches and tributes yesterday was
actually Bobby Kennedy's where he was telling the story of
his niece.

Speaker 8 (10:02):
I think it was his niece this week, sorry, last week.

Speaker 15 (10:05):
Packing for foreign trip or study trip or something, and
her mother said, noticed that she packed a Bible, and
she said, why are you doing that? That never happened before,
And she said, I want to live more like Charlie.
And that's so powerful. That's I think so many people
are feeling, not just his political message, his faith message,
the message of how he lived, the kind of person

(10:26):
he was is having such a massive impact positively.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
You had a big rally in Huntington Beach. We covered it,
and when Charlie Kirk's face came on the projector, there
was this enormous response from the crowd, and I even
remember being a bit taken by that. I knew Charlie
was so popular with young people, but this was a
wide spectrum of people from across California of all places,

(10:51):
and people really seemed to react positively to his endorsement
of your campaign, Erica Kirk. She takes the stage and Steve.
It's it's not easy to speak on the same stage
as the President of the United States, the Vice president,
the whole cabinet, and outstage all of them. I mean,
she had the most powerful moments. You know, what role

(11:13):
do you think she has in the Republican Party moving forward?
It will seemingly be a towering one.

Speaker 15 (11:19):
Yeah, exactly, and she's committed to it. And you can
see the strength there. I mean that speech yesterday, but
also the incredible one on the Friday after it happened.

Speaker 8 (11:28):
I actually watched that.

Speaker 15 (11:29):
I had an event, a campaign event, and I said
to during that time and I said to everyone, do
you I really want to watch it? Do you mind
if we watch it together? And I watched it with
a room full of you know, like a lot of people,
and just the power of what she laid out there,
and this commitment to not just keep Charlie's voice and
mission alive, but to make it live stronger and better

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than ever.

Speaker 8 (11:51):
You can feel that's going to happen. And it's not
just her.

Speaker 15 (11:53):
She's got all the turning point people, the leadership there.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
Amazing young people, all of them.

Speaker 15 (11:57):
I mean, as I said, Charlie built this organization in
his image. Everyone I've ever met from Turning Point, they're
just so impressive, hard working, good, strong, decent, kind people,
and they're all right behind Erica, and they are all
so determined to make this work.

Speaker 8 (12:12):
And I think it's going to be huge. I really do.

Speaker 15 (12:15):
I cannot see this going anywhere other than from strength
to strength, and it's a fantastic thing to see.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
You're, in many ways behind enemy lines in California working
to save a state from a series of bad decisions.
And there were a few governor's races where Charlie Kirk
was involved endorsing candidates Andy Biggs in Arizona. You and California,
are you still planning to harvest a lot of the
Turning Point energy people who are maybe going to university

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here or young professionals in California who want to see
this place better? And in the wake of Charlie's death,
how are you going to make that pitch tool exactly?

Speaker 8 (12:53):
And yes is the answer. And you know, I mean,
I hate to.

Speaker 15 (12:57):
Because that's not what Charlie would have wanted, but well, you know,
we literally, as I've been.

Speaker 8 (13:01):
Telling the story, it's true.

Speaker 15 (13:03):
You know, one of the first people I spoke to
about running was Charlie, And in his classic fashion, he
didn't just sort of pat me on the heads, so
well done, good idea, good luck.

Speaker 8 (13:11):
He said, right, what are we going to do about it?
You know, let's let's make a plan.

Speaker 15 (13:15):
And we went to Phoenix and sat down with Charlie
and his team about how we can actually do exactly
what you're describing and harness the energy of Turning Point
and also the organization of Turning Point, the ballot chasing
operation that he's so successfully deployed for the President, especially
in Arizona last time, and so all these conversations. You know,
obviously none of that was our focus at all last

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week for obvious reasons. But that's exactly where I think
we want to pick it up, and.

Speaker 8 (13:44):
That was the plan.

Speaker 15 (13:45):
In fact, Jack Gibbs, pastor to Jack Gibbs, was on
my podcast last week, very good friend of mine and Charlie's.
He was also there on that launch. As you remember,
he said, I mean, he told a story on my
show last week that as we were remembering Charlie, he said,
they were text just like a week ago about Charlie
coming to California and campaigning and what he wanted to

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do and how they were going to work together and
do something at the start of the new year, et cetera.
So I think that that is something that we've one
hundred percent want to make sure we make happen.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Turning two politics, voters in California right now are being
bombarded with advertisements for and against this plan by Gavin
Newsom to redraw congressional maps and shift the balance of
power in Washington, d C. It seems as though the
pro Newsome pro redoing cartography effort leans very heavily on

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the endorsement of Barack Obama for that strategy. Do you
see Obama being this force kind of playing a role
in the politics of California going forward, maybe in the
governor's race, And what are you hearing from voters about
this redrawing the map project? Broadly, No, I don't.

Speaker 8 (14:56):
I think Obama's just spent foruls.

Speaker 15 (14:58):
Honestly, I think there may be some you know, residual
kind of you know, loyalty to him in the party,
but I really don't think he's going to have any
kind of meaningful impact. I can see why they want
him on board, but I don't think he shifts anything
as we saw in the presidential election last year.

Speaker 8 (15:13):
I think that the what we're.

Speaker 15 (15:15):
Hearing so far, and it's also borne out by some
of the research that's now being published, is the voters
are really not happy about this. It's like with all
these problems going on in California caused by the Democrats,
you know, literally right now, the highest unemployment rate in America,
the highest poverty rate in America, the highest taxes, highest
gas prices, highest electricslice, housing costs, everything the worst in

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the country. And that's not even to mention the crime
and the disastrous state of the public schools and homelessness
and you name it. And this is what they're focusing on. Basically,
a two hundred and fifty million dollar taxpayer contribution to
Gavin Newsom's presidential campaign. That's what this really is. And
I don't think people are happy with this at all.
And it's not just me saying that. I mean, certainly

(15:58):
you hear that on the on the you know, out
and about events, but I think the research is not
looking good for Gavenusom with this scheme. I mean, they're
going to throw a ton of money at it.

Speaker 8 (16:07):
Every day.

Speaker 15 (16:08):
There's an announcement of millions of dollars a new bunch
of money coming from the unions and the Democrat machine
to try and get this through. But I want to
stop it even getting to the ballot. I mean, a
couple of weeks ago, I filed a lawsuit in federal
court to stop this from even getting there, because I
don't want to see our money wasted on this totally
obviously brazen cheating and rigging of our elections, because it's unconstitutional,

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both against the federal and the US and the California Constitution.
We're now going to be filing this week a preliminary
injunction to try and stop it happening.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Now.

Speaker 15 (16:42):
I don't know if it's going to work, but we've
got to try, and above all, we've got to stop
this happening. There's an amazing statistic if you look at
these maps and what will happen based on the votes
cast in the presidential election in California statewide last November.
If these maps, these cheating maps, go through, then it
will take one hundred and ninety three thousand votes to

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elect a Democrat to Congress one point five two million
votes to elect a Republican a Democrat vote will be
worth eight times a Republican vote.

Speaker 8 (17:12):
How can they possibly defend that?

Speaker 15 (17:14):
So I think that if they think this is going
to sail through, because you know, they're assuming it's just
going to be total partisanship for the Democrats against Trump,
They're entire message, by the way, is framing this is
something to do with Donald Trump, nothing to do with California.

Speaker 8 (17:28):
I think they're really mistaken. I think that we're going
to win this.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
There's almost an admission buried in it, Steve, that they
can't get voters to vote for their candidates based on
the policies and the record alone, so they have to
go change the rules. And I think there is a
way to bring the failures of the one party rule
in California really to the forefront in the construct of this.
And you are the leading candidate and just a realk

(17:54):
only have a few seconds. But where can people go
if they're interested in your campaign and learning more and
helping you out.

Speaker 8 (17:59):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (18:00):
Not it's Steve hiltonfogovernor dot com. We do need to
build a volunteer army to beat that machine. And by
the way, the point you just made that is exactly
I'm producing my own ad on this which will exactly
make that point.

Speaker 8 (18:12):
The people who've destroyed.

Speaker 15 (18:14):
California now want more power to do even more of it.

Speaker 8 (18:18):
Absolutely no no on Prop fifty.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
We wish you well, Thank you for the hug yesterday,
and stay safe on the trail. Steve Hilton, the leading
candidate for governor of California, Thank you man, and coming out.
President Trump has made big announcements regarding the link between
vaccines and tail and all and autism. We'll hear from
the President next.

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Speaker 1 (20:54):
The Trump administration is boldly asking tough questions about one
of America's most flam mixing questions. What is going on
with the rise of autism in our country? In the
nineteen seventies, autism was rare. The official number in nineteen
seventy five was about one in five thousand children. That's
kind of like finding a four leaf clover. Unusual, but

(21:14):
it did happen. Fast forward to today. According to the CDC,
as of twenty twenty three, autism is estimated in one
in thirty one kids. Let me repeat that. We went
from one in five thousand to one thirty one. This
is not a small jump. The cost of autism to
the US economy is estimated at two hundred and sixty
eight billion dollars a year, and some researchers say that

(21:37):
could hit a trillion dollars by twenty thirty. A trillion.
It's twelve zeros. You could stack up one dollar bills
from here to the moon. Twice. New Jersey reports close
to one in twenty three boys on the spectrum. That's
not a blip. It's a dangerous and telling trend. I've
heard the common answer, will we just diagnose better now?

(21:57):
Ensure that has to be part of it. Doctors are sharper,
schools look harder, and parents are more aware. But could
we really chalk it all up to better paperwork? If
that were true, we would expect the numbers to level
off once everyone got better at diagnosing, and said, the
numbers keep climbing year after a year, even though there's
no big diagnosis breakthrough. If car accidents suddenly shot up

(22:19):
ten fold, would we just say, oh, well, I guess
the police are better at writing tickets. No, we'd ask
what's going on with the roads, the cars, maybe the drivers.
But when it comes to autism, our leaders seemed happy
to just shrug, throw around buzzwords, and change the subject.
That has ended with the Trump administration and the MAHA agenda.

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Doctor Robert Malone serves on the Key Vaccine Schedule Committee
for the Department of Health and Human Services. He teased
this finding.

Speaker 17 (22:48):
The Secretary has promised a major drop of information relating
to autism, and if I had to look in my
crystal ball, I speculate that what we might right here
is something about the interaction of Thailand all in the
very young together with things that are pro inflammatory, like say,

(23:12):
for example, multiple vaccination. There's going to be some important
announcements associated with that very soon.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
To discuss this major announcement further. As the chief scientific
Officer at the Wellness company, Doctor Peter McCullough, Doctor mccallaugh,
thanks for jumping on with us. How should pregnant women
be thinking about Thailand all after today?

Speaker 18 (23:31):
Well, this was a historic press briefing regarding autism, the
first one in my medical career I can remember from
the Oval office. I mean, this is really a tremendous time.
Autism is a crisis. President Trump brought up the fact
of you know, pregnant women as well as children developing fever.

(23:53):
He brought up vaccines, including mercury and aluminum in vaccines,
and of course the response to that, which is thailan
al commonly commonly used. I can tell you at this
point in time, my clinical judgment would be this is
likely confounded by indication talanow has been used for well
over sixty years. It's probably not the talanol itself, it's

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really what it's being used for.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
And could we see an interaction between thailanol and the
vaccines through some research going forward that would further inform
what pregnant women need to do.

Speaker 18 (24:30):
While there is one study that's already looked at that
and you hit the nail on the head, and that
was an important study by Schultzen colleagues two thousand and
eight that thailan al given after the MMR vaccination markedly
increased the risk of autism. It was a small study,
so I think you're heading down the right path on

(24:52):
the reporting here. Remember, tilanol is really the only fever
control drug that can be used to pregnancy, and approximant
sodium and ibuprofien can't be used. Now in children, both
tailanol and the nonstriytal anti inflammatory agents can be used,
but preferably a woman or a child wouldn't get significant fevers.

(25:15):
The leading cause of a fever and a pregnant woman
is taking vaccines, and that's started in the last twenty
five years.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
If you know someone is confronted with a lot of
pressure from physicians to take vaccines when pregnant, are there
places you direct people to look? I mean, I get
we just went through this in our family, doctor McCollough,
where almost in every discussion you have with a medical professional,
I mean, they really push these vaccines on you for

(25:43):
both the women before pregnancy and then the baby after.
And I'm a lawyer, not a scientist, not a medical professional,
but it just seems like so much information and the
person telling you these things has so much apparent authority.
It would be nice to point parents to places where
they could review other authority and make informed decisions.

Speaker 18 (26:04):
One of the best step by step guides is by
a physician in California, Jeff Barkie. So look up his
book about how to guide through vaccines. Listen, when my
wife had my children no vaccines at all. So vaccines
are a new thing during pregnancy. It started in the
last twenty five years. It's been accelerating. I think it
causes fever, which can cause a woman to lose a pregnancy,

(26:27):
and now they're responding to it with tail and alasea
metaphin which has this linkage to later on childhood autism.
So I think the vaccines getting out of pregnancy will
be welcome, and then we need a really earnest look
at childhood autism, which doesn't start at birth. It typically
occurs during the infant years.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I think that a lot of people have lost confidence
in the systems that are used to produce the type
of recommendations that people just used to follow without questioning.
What are you observing regarding Secretary Kennedy's leadership of HHS
to improve those systems in a durable way, because the

(27:07):
cynic might look at this and say, well, you know,
you say, we're going to look at these things. But
the very corrupt influences who are trying to get these
you know, these vaccines into people even before they're born,
they're not going anywhere. They still exist, they're still going
to try to influence. How do we harden ourselves against
that as a society.

Speaker 18 (27:28):
Kennedy's taking positive steps, But think about this fifty million
dollar investment in autism. That's a drop in the bucket.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
You know, the CDC is a nine.

Speaker 18 (27:39):
Billion dollar organization, and the CDC doesn't do any direct
care of patients and simply providing recommendations to us. So
the government has plenty of money to work with. I
think we need a much larger investment into autism. Trump
said it today that he wants to see the vaccine
spaced out. He wants the mercury aluminum out of them.

(28:00):
And what Trump is pointing to, and I think Kennedy
and others will follow, is a reduced burden of vaccines
on children, allowing much more of a natural, healthy process.
Nine studies. I'm sorry we're up to in our thirteen
studies show that child born today who's healthy and takes
no vaccines whatsoever, is healthier than their vaccinated counterparts.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Senator Cassidy of Louisiana has been one of the big
champions of vaccines in the Senate, and he says all
of these questions are already answered. There is no need
to go back and replow these fields. The research has
been done. He attests that vaccines are safe. I always
thought that the last step of the scientific method was

(28:46):
to know that there was never a last step, that
you constantly had to be reassessing hypotheses. What would you
say to those who want to close the book on
these questions and ask us to accept the doctrine that
has governed for the last forty years.

Speaker 18 (29:01):
Well, I wonder if you thought that the questions were
all answered on tilanal. I mean, there you go. So
you know, new research always opens up new questions. A
child born today, if they're on the full vaccine schedule,
receives sixteen different products, different anagenetic products around year one.

(29:22):
And I can tell you some medical doctor, if I
prescribe sixteen drugs to somebody all at once, there's going
to be a side effect. All sixteen given as a
bundle has never been studied, not in a single study
for safety. Cassidy is wrong. He needs to get up
to date with contemporary science. And you know what, Americans
children need to be protected.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think there is some hope that the scientific method
is going to prevail over what I believe has been
a corrupt system driven by the special interest of wanting
to get as much approved and required as possible. But
thank you as always, doctor Peter mccallough, the chief scientific
officer at the Wellness Company. We always enjoy hearing your
perspective and your expertise. Thank you, And coming up, President

(30:03):
Trump has a new fee hike for the H one
B visa program. George Fishman is a senior legal fellow
at the Center for Immigration Studies, and he'll tell us
what it all means.

Speaker 12 (30:12):
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Tonight we share groundbreaking immigration news coming out of the
Trump administration. A massive one hundred thousand dollars application fee
for the H one B visa, up from just one thousand.
Since the visa's inception in nineteen ninety, hundreds of thousands
of people have come to the United States as relatively
cheap labor. This undercutting wages and our enormous tech and

(32:52):
IT and manufacturing industries has persisted for quite some time.
Often Americans aren't being replaced by the best in the brightest,
though that happens occasionally, the H one B program is
in actuality riddled with fraud from the top down. Imagine
you're in charge of a company looking to hire a
new IT guy. You don't want to deal with the Americans,

(33:12):
and they're annoying demands for fair pay and benefits, but
you're legally obligated to advertise to them first, Well, what's
next to you? Put the advertisement up on some obscure
website and in some paper nobody reads. Then you offer
no American the job. You sponsor a migrant from South
Asia and then pay them half the salary to do
your it well, the foreign applicant must be qualified, right,

(33:35):
Not always. In many cases the entire resume is just
made up. There's a multimillion dollar industry dedicated to handing
out fake credentials and fraudulently staffing foreigners in American tech companies.
Suffice to say, President Trump's decisive action will reduce fraud
and will increase the benefit of the Golden Age for
America's workforce. Here with us to discuss as senior legal

(33:57):
fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies George Fishman. So, George,
what's your reaction to President Trump's big change to the
H one B program.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
It's it's if it works, it'll it'll be great. It
it'll go a long way towards reducing the incentive of
employers to hire cheap H one bs instead of instead
of American workers, or even laying off US workers, forcing
them to train their H one B replacements, and and

(34:27):
go from there. I was initially hoping that it was
going to be one hundred thousand dollars a year for
H one B. But it appears it'll be one hundred
thousand one time payment. And given that H one b's
can work for an employer for six or more years,
that you know, unfortunately cuts down, uh, you know, cuts

(34:47):
down the benefit. So it still won't fully equalize wages
between H one b's and American workers, but but it'll go.

Speaker 13 (34:58):
A long way.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
And I'm very happy and please that President Trump has
done this.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
When you look at the full universe of H one b's,
what do you think the reduction could be as a
result of this economic disincentive to use this as the
HR strategy, Well.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
The way they did it was not to simply put
this fee on every employer of every H one b's,
but use a mechanism whereby the President has the power
granted by Congress in nineteen fifty two to bar the
entry of any aliens or group of aliens when it
was against the national interest. And so given that the

(35:39):
majority of H one B foreign workers are already in
the United States before they become H one B foreign workers,
this would not apply to them because they've already entered.
So foreign college students graduating and getting hired by US
companies This wouldn't at the US universities here, This wouldn't

(36:02):
apply to them. This would apply, I think primarily to
the Indian and other job shops, which you know, send
people from overseas and contract them out to companies, including
all the major Silicon valley companies in the US. So
it's at this point it will be about half the

(36:25):
H one B workers. In the future it would apply
to One concern I have is that once employers and
H one b's figure out they can avoid this one
hundred dollars fee by simply getting an alien into the
US before they seek H one B status for them.
That'll encourage a lot of gaming of the system. But

(36:49):
you know, at this point, at least it would apply
to about half of the new H one b's coming in.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Those who support the H one B program say, look,
there are workforce needs in the United States. There are
not always a sufficient number of Americans to meet those needs.
But at CIS, you all have deconstructed some of those narratives,
share what you think is really going on there.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
There's certainly some extremely talented, quote unquote best and brightest
foreign workers coming in under the H one B program,
and that's what the program should be aiming for. Unfortunately,
most H one B workers have ordinary skills, if that,

(37:32):
and the primary motivation to bring them to the US
is they're young, and their wages are far lower than
the average American worker in those fields. More than about
half of H one B workers are in computer professions.
I took a look at the average wage for a

(37:52):
software developer nationwide around the country versus the average wage
that employers promise to pay H one b's starting out
with them in the computer fields. It's a lot less
than American, Like by.

Speaker 19 (38:10):
What type of function, George, it's I think the average
H one B in computer fields is promised a wage
of about ninety nine thousand dollars the average American worker.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Software development one hundred and thirty two thousand dollars. You know,
that's a big difference. And if these workers are actually
are the best in the brightest, you'd think their wages
would be approach that of US software developers. American software
developers at the seventy fifth wage percentile of the ninetieth

(38:49):
wage percentile. Software developers at the ninetieth wage percentile make
over two hundred thousand dollars a year nationwide, so that's
twice what the what the H one B worker in
that field is making on average. So it's a dramatic
savings and wages and this President Crump's action will go

(39:12):
a long way towards resolving that, but.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
It sounds like there's some loopholes still to shore up
along the way. George Fishman, Senior legal fellow at the
Center for Immigration Studies, Thanks for coming on and helping
us break it down.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Thanks so much for having me, sir, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 (42:55):
The United Nations General Assembly is meeting this week in
New York. One topic to be discussed is Iran. There
will likely be debates over sanctions on Iran. Some are
pushing for a return to full UN sanctions on the
Islamic Republic. Others are looking for an on ramp for peace.
It's hard to argue that sanctioning Iran has reduced their
nuclear ambitions. They may have hardened them. Despite forty plus

(43:18):
years of sanctions, Iran has expanded its nuclear program from
a few hundred centrifugias twenty in two thousand and three
to over twenty thousand by twenty twenty three. Sanctions didn't
stop enrichment, they encouraged more and covert enrichment. They hardened facilities.
Economic isolation tends to weaken moderate and empower hardliners. Sanctions

(43:40):
depressed the civilian economy. Inflation in Iran has exceeded forty
percent annually in recent years, hurting ordinary families. Food medicine,
though technically exempt, face shortages because banks fear secondary US penalties. Meanwhile,
the ruling of lead in the IRGC often retain access
to resources through small networks. Iran has developed sanctioned busting networks,

(44:04):
selling discounted oil to China through intermediaries. In twenty twenty three,
Iranian oil exports exceeded one point five million barrels a
day despite sanctions. This means sanctions cut into transparency, but
not total revenue. Harsh sanctions push Iran closer to Russia
and China, strengthening those ties. They accelerate de dollarization efforts,

(44:26):
undermining US leverage. Here with US now rejoining the program
from New York City is the deputy director of the
Washington Office for the National Council of Resistance of Iran,
Alireza Jaffrazad. So, thank you for coming back. Is their
discussion of sanctions directed at Iran? And if so, what's
the position of your organization?

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Well, certainly the position of our organization is that the
Iran regime is developing nuclear weapons, is the worst leading
state sponsor of terrorism. Not only that, but we play
their major role in exposed key nuclear sites of Iran.
It was our two thousand and two nuclear revelations about
the nuclear sites in that Hans that triggered the ied

(45:11):
UN Nuclear watchdog to start inspecting nuclear sites. It was
our revelation in December two thousand and five about the
far Though under the Mountain nuclear you know, uranium and
Richmond facility that got the attention of the world, and
we have consistently over the past two decades have had

(45:33):
at least one hundred and thirty cases of revelation of
the nuclear sites and their projects, urging you.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Think that more Ali Raza. Do you think they have
more nuclear sites that you're suggesting be bombed?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Who knows, but I think whatever they already had, which
you know, we we exposed much of what the world knows,
but they certainly had that not responded to the IA inspections.
There are a number of outstanding questions that suggested that
the run regime was actually building the bomb. It's not
just about the enrichment, it's about the actual weaponization.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
But also so let me let me posit this theory.
They have engaged in that enrichment and they have built
those centrifugures despite a pretty aggressive sanctions package. Why should
we believe that more sanctions would have any impact on
the nuclear ambitions of Iran?

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Well, the issue is not just the sanctions. The issue
is like the policy of appeasement that was pursued by
the West, especially in the Europeans over the years.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
They just you know, believe the what the iatolos was
telling them.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
They tried to give them what they want, hoping that
the run regime would deliver. Unfortunately, in the past two decades,
the policy has been constantly giving Tehran what they want,
giving them palettes of cash, giving them, you know, off
the hook on so many different instances. But they could
have held the regime accountable. They could have told them, look,

(47:04):
if you don't answer these specific questions, if you don't
allow access to the IAEA, if you don't cough up
about the true nature of these activities, there are going
to be consequences. Unfortunately, what do you.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Think those should be the consequences. What's the position of
your organization on the consequences.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Well, the consequences is that you know, you pay the
price for what you do. You don't get cash for it.
Look at their terrorism. They take people hostage, they get
money for it. They womb places, they get rewarded for it.
That's why the approach is different. But at the end
of the day, honestly, speaking, you need to understand that

(47:46):
this regime is going to continue all of these activities,
even though the sanctions is going to make it a
lot more difficult to develop their nuclear weapons than they
did before. But at the end of the do don't.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Worry about the sanctions. Let me ask you this, Do
you worry about the sanctions impacting the populace more than
the elites because they're not exactly missing any meals in
the IRGC and around the iatola there, it's largely impacting
people who live in Iran. Well.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Unfortunately, the reason that people are impacted by poverty and
you know, corruption and all of that is because of
the ERGC that is draining all the money and resources.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
You know, we are a very rich country.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
The second largest oiline gas reserves in the world are
in Iran, yet eighty percent of the population leave them
below the poverty lot. It's not that the money doesn't exist,
it's where the money goes. The money goes to the
proxies in you know, the Hesbalaye in Lebanon, the Huthi
is the Shia militias in Iraq, and a whole host

(48:49):
of things. And there is corruption. The small group of
people who are controlling the economy and the Supreme Leader
is dominating everything. That has to change. That's why we've
had major uprisings in Iran. You know, the people of
Iran are not asking for war, They're not asking for
foreign boots on the ground, they're not asking for money,

(49:10):
none of that. All they're saying is that don't give
the money and resources and legitimacy to our repressive rulers.
The rest is the responsibility of the people of Iran.
That's why there is a huge rally going to be
tomorrow at nine thirty am when the President of the
United States speaks. There's going to be thousands of Iran

(49:30):
America is coming from all over the United States saying
that the snapback of sanctions is the right thing to do,
but also look at the people of Iran.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
They want democracy.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
The movement is led by a woman, missus Mariam Rajab.
She has a platform known as the Ten Point Platform
that calls for ballot box as the sole criteria for legitimacy,
separation of religion and state, equal rights for men and women,
freedom of religion, and nuclear Iran. That's the kind of

(50:02):
thing that's where the focus of the world should be
listening to the voices of the people of Iran.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
There's no question, there's no question. Yeah, there's no question.
We would like to see a denuclearized Iran and Iran
that would never develop a nuclear weapon. And I think
you're right if the messages that you just laid out
are going to achieve broad adoption in Iran, and that's
not going to come as a consequence of boots on
the ground. That's going to have to emerge from the
Iranian people. And we hope for better days ahead for

(50:29):
the Iranian people. Ali Rasa Jefferzade, thank you for joining us.
The deputy director of the Washington Office of the Council
Resistant of Resistance of Iran, thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Always a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
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Ever, every few weeks, some mainstream media outlet drops another
hysterical story with the same headline, Trump is a dictator.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
The latest effort to smear the best of the Trump
administration comes from New York Magazine. They want you to
believe that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome is
basically running the Stasi out of a strip mall in
Sioux Falls. Here's the truth Secretary Nome is doing. With
the Biden administration, swar was impossible. Securing the border. Daily

(53:35):
encounters with illegal aliens are down ninety three percent, daily
apprehensions down ninety six percent. For four straight months, zero
illegal aliens were released into our country. Zero. I know
matth is hard, but zero is a pretty easy number
to understand. The foreign born population in the United States
is dropped by two point two million in less than

(53:56):
a year. If that's a police state, then tsapre must
be a gulag. More than two million illegal aliens have
been deported in two hundred and fifty days. DHS has
apprehended four hundred and twenty two thousand illegal aliens since
inauguration Day, and seventy percent had criminal charges or convictions.
Oh and nearly a thousand were suspected terrorists. But apparently

(54:20):
the real emergency, according to New York Magazine, is that
Corey Lewandowski once a dinner with Christy Nome. Yeah, real
threat to democracy there. Corey Lewandowski joined us exclusively on
this program. He seems pretty focused to us.

Speaker 16 (54:34):
We are deporting more people, We're arresting more people.

Speaker 9 (54:36):
We're getting the bad guys out first.

Speaker 13 (54:38):
So a big picture.

Speaker 16 (54:39):
We are promising to fulfill the president's pledge to make
this country safe again.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
ICE has signed over one thousand new agreements with state
and local partners. It's a massive force multiplier. So while
the New York Magazine folks scoff about authoritarianism over their
latte foam, here's what's happening for American workers. Two point
five million American born workers have entered the workforce since January.

(55:04):
New jobs under President Trump went to Americans, not illegal aliens.
Under Secretary Nome, DHS cut three hundred and twelve grant
programs that were basically taxpayer funded WOKE studies and futility.
They trimmed six thousand, eight hundred and forty five bureaucrats
off the payroll. That's eight percent of the non law

(55:25):
enforcement workforce. Meanwhile, actual Americans want in on this patriotic mission.
ICE has gotten one hundred and fifty thousand job applications,
Secret Service twenty two thousand, Customs and Border Protection over
one hundred and sixty four thousand. When we were last
looking at federal job pages, we weren't exactly seeing them

(55:45):
go viral. The Department of Homeland Security is suddenly the
hottest ticket in town. That's not a dictatorship, that's a
hiring spree.

Speaker 20 (55:53):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
In the Coastguard, which is also under DHS, they're not
sitting around polishing buoys. They are seizing record breaking amad
of drugs. Operation Pacific Viper netted over seventy six thousand
pounds of drugs. That's the largest offload in Coastguard history.
Even TSA is getting better. The ridiculous Quiet Skies program

(56:14):
where bureaucrats were snooping on Americans that got axed. TSA
even rolled out of shoes on policy. I guess if
we have to face authoritarianism, we at least don't have
to feel like we're on a trip to the bowling alley.
Then there's FEMA. Under the old crew, FEMA could barely
find a clipboard. Now, relief funding is hitting communities one

(56:35):
hundred and twenty six percent faster. During the Texas floods,
DHS deployed seven hundred personnal. They saved over fifteen hundred people.
That's actual work, actual governance, not throwing out pronouns and
equity lectures when people need real help. So let's be clear.
The New York magazine wants you to believe that Christy

(56:55):
Nome is some kind of shadow dictator because she's competent,
because the border isn't a turnstile anymore, because DHS is
saving a million dollars a day, because the Coastguard is
slapping around cartels like they're extras in a bad Netflix show.
This is the thing. The louder the media shouts police state,
the more it sounds like projection. The same folks who

(57:18):
wanted lockdowns, mandates, speech codes, and censorship boards are now
screaming about tyranny because DHS is actually enforcing the law.
So no, this isn't a police state. It's a competence state.
It's an America first date. And if that makes the
New York Magazine editorial board breakout in hives, then maybe
it's a sign we're finally doing something. Because when you

(57:40):
stack up the record ninety three percent fewer illegal crossings,
two million deported, two point five million American jobs, record
drug busts, faster, FEMA friendly or TSA doesn't sound like
a police state. It sounds like a winning streak. And
the only people mad about a winning streak are the
ones who keep losing. That's all the time we have.

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