Hey, Where'd Everybody Go?

Eagles
Free Agency
Where's The D?
Can This Team Repeat?
In Howie We Trust?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Yeah, that the big dog Hoddelo again. Everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to another episode of the Philly Pols Your City
Sports Speed. I'm your host, Joe, stay, Zach my man
right there, Sean, Locked there, Sean, how were you last
time we met? The Eagles had a defense and now
where'd everybody go? What are we looking at? What are
we looking at?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Joe?

Speaker 4 (00:23):
I don't know where defense? What happened? I mean, I
know we're gonna have less. Yeah, I hash things out.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
But I was okay, look you win, guys, you're going
to get paid. That's fine. The course to in place.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I didn't think CJDJ was necessary to be traded for
a three point seven million dollar cap savings and maybe.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Down the road, I know is cost is going to escalate.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
But did you have to get rid of him? He
led the team and interceptions third in the league. He
led it two years ago. He was a playmaker.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Well, I know he's a pain in the ass, but
he's a playmaker.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yes, And it sounded like there was some rumblings that
he was a pain in the ass.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
We know that he is a pain in the right.
They didn't know that when he signed him. Again, No, hey,
I get it. I mean, and it was. It was
an amazing deal. I mean, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
It was great. It was awesome. Maybe towards look, he
was horrible at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
He did he had some problems with cupboards the Packers game,
he get his footing and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
But he turned it on. He played ball.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, he turned it on. He played a couple of
interceptions from from my Boy.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
He did from quinnyon Mitchell. He kept, you know, no,
I wonder if there's like, yeah, I think it was.
It was more or less like three point five down
the road. This dude can be an asshole sometimes and
let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I think it's funny. It's now that we have our
second Super Bowl and this one, like we just like
literally destroyed the team, and uh, everybody was like, all right, yeah,
let's run it back, run it, run it back. And
Howie in the beginning afterwards.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
You tried to know. I was gonna say he ran
it back last time and didn't work right.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
But also during the combine mentioned like, hey, it's gonna
be a little different this year, and.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Everybody, he warned everybody, but I be almost overcompensated.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, I mean I'm shocked, shocked by by some of
the moves. I mean just I mean who they they've lost,
I mean some of them, don't surprise me.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Has been waiting for the Philadelphia Yeah, that's been the
only news. It's been on our show a couple of
times before. Yeah, award winning writer.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Here he comes.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
He uh, we'll go back with less days of the
Philadelphia Flyers. There he is, that's a still shot. Harry
comes last.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Hey, Joe Lass, Hey, welcome to show, buddy.

Speaker 7 (03:13):
How are you guys?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Good? How you doing? My friend?

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I appreciate you joining us. We were just wondering where
the defense went, and we had a number one defense
and we're looking around like what.

Speaker 7 (03:25):
Yeah, you know it's uh. I think they're gonna be okay.
They've they've they've signed some fellows these last few days.
They aren't high profile signings, but veteran depth you know,
Edori Jackson. I was glad to see that because without him,
they were going to have an incredibly young quarterback room. Really,

(03:47):
I doubt he beats out Killey Ringo as a starter.
He might, but I think Killey Ringo is probably good
enough to start ahead. Of him, but it's good to
have a veteran in the mix somehow. And there's a
lot of the free agent stuff they've done, of stuff
like that, you know, not not star player because they
don't need star players. And you know, they've lost a
few people I would have tried to keep, probably Isaiah

(04:11):
Rodgers maybe, but you know, uh, you know, I kind
of knew Williams was gone, and uh and Sweat, it's
a shame. It's really weird how anymore in sports. I mean,
you barely finish the parade and guys are on other teams.
You know. It's Sweat actually said something like that at

(04:34):
his press conference in Arizona, was like, you know, I
haven't really gotten a chance to enjoy the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I mean, now he's in Arizona, he's back with Jonathan
Gann and I get all that, but you know he's
now on not quite the team he was here. I mean,
I know, guys, you look, sometimes you get one shot
of the payday, you know, go get it, but you
sacrifice what the culture.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
You were in, you know that to feel good, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
And then the way they ended the season went the
fifty five on Washington, they played the two best games
of the year, and there are some games and that's
what everyone remembers. And good for them, because I mean,
Josh Sweat had eight sacks this year.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
It didn't set the world on fire too. From the
Super Bowl. People remember that, No, Williams had.

Speaker 7 (05:18):
The game of his life in the Super Bowl, really.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
The game of his life, and that's what people remember.
And Williams had five sacks this year. It's not like
these guys. You're Miles Garrett or Trey Hinson, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
So I do kind of think Williams is still on
the way up. I'm sure that Josh. I don't really
think he is anymore. I mean, he's been around quite
a while now. I love Sweat. In the early when
he was first drafted, it was such a great story.
You know, he was the best high school player at
any position, uh in Eastern Virginia, in the country, and

(05:56):
he had a horrible knee injury. It was like that
when he first got to the hospital, they were talking
about amputating his leg and stuff, and you know, he
rebuilt his career. He was a good player in college,
but it took years for him to really get take
years back and he worked hard at it, and he
he really you know, he had some good the year

(06:19):
they went to the Super Bowl and lost, he was
very very good. But you know this past year you
saw him, you know, end up past the quarterback a
lot of times. He would he would take a real
outside route and end up behind the quarterback much from
back there most of the time. I'm sorry to go ahead,

(06:41):
I'm just rambling on.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
No, you're not at all. Mil William's gone. Darius Slay okay,
waiting for him to drop. He had a very good year,
and I was a little surprised.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I thought he was going to go by the way
James Bradbury, which now he has because Bridbury was gone.
Slayer's gone now with the Steelers, you mentioned Isaiah Rodgers,
I was a little surprised to that. Warren Brooks I
thought did a great job when the Kobe went out
with an injury. I mean, he's getting up there and
ate listen. He set the tone the first play of
the playoffs. He caused a fumble on the kickoff, like

(07:14):
he did some They all had a piece, you know.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Kenneth ing Well, I thought it was a great teammate.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
And when he came in.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I know he didn't get a lot of time, but
when he came in, he delivered. You know, he would
give you some excitement explosion. So here's the and I
know I'm not alone here with having a problem with this,
but three point seven million in cap space, I think
it was or something like that to trade CJ. Garter Johnson.

(07:41):
He was a playmaker. He was second, third and third
in the league in sacks, first on your team two
years ago despite missing five games with the lacerated kidney,
First in the league in interceptions, I should say with
six probably you know him and Quinnon Mitchell, if they
could communicate a little better, one of them would have
had a couple more. I know you're paying the ass,

(08:02):
but he kind of gave a little swagger to the
defense And.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Yeah, you sure did. Yeah, I was surprised that you
weren't too.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Was that necessary?

Speaker 7 (08:11):
Like?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Why? Well?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
It was behind that because they got a guard who
was is on the fuss for being called a bust.
You know, ken first round.

Speaker 7 (08:19):
From Maybe Stoutland has some idea about this guy. As
great as Stoutland is, he's had these ideas before, and
he he can't go out and play for the guy,
you know. I mean Chance Willmack was a Stoutland guy,
you know, and he was still Chance Willmack here, you know,
he same profile, high first round pick, never really did

(08:44):
much of anything. Uh So, I don't know. But with CJ,
I got to think, I mean, they're not crazy, right.
Something's either he was really more of a problem than
we know, or they really think one of their other
safeties is gonna that he's not the kind of guy

(09:04):
who would react well if they cut his if they
actually had somebody pushing him and he maybe wasn't a
starter all the time or something. I don't know, but
it was a strange move. It didn't save them a
lot of money. It's interesting though c J moves about
every year someway five teams.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
I think he's been now Yeah, just.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Coincidence, you would say with the Twitter interaction that he
or ex interaction that he had with all the various
slay thing.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
Less well, it can't be that they were really upset
about slay because they let slay ly So I don't
but just the overall vibe of the guy, you know,
maybe was more than they wanted to put.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Up with, you know, did they don't remember last time
he left, he said bleep you to the Eagles fans
and like, you know, I mean, did we forget about that?

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Yeah, I don't know. I left to talk to Big
Dom off the record about it's gouty and what you know,
because guys that you know there aren't great fits culturally,
they don't. They don't have a lot of patience with
that anymore. And the Andy Reid the days they did,
but anymore, you know, it doesn't take much too to

(10:21):
make them say, you know, we don't need this. So
is the ruler of the Eagles. Well, you know, it's
where the bodies are buried.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I was gonna say, I've met Big Dom and he
was with Andy and she's been there a while.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah about Big.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Dom, Now, I know he's really gotten a lot of play,
like everyone.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
How often do you.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Know the security guards state security of the football team.
But when he got into it with the San Francisco Uh,
I was at that game.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I forget his name.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
Wasn't Drake greenwal green Law? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, his star went you know, berserk.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Now there's articles and I'm looking to do a piece
on him. I mean, and everyone loves him to death. Yeah,
what do we know about Big Don, well, I don't.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
Know a ton about him that hasn't been already publicized.
I know that they depict him a lot in the
draft process. He's the guy that goes to these campuses.
You know, you can talk to coaches, not players, but
most coaches will say, oh, he's a great Oh he's
a wonderful young man, you know, blah blah blah blahlah.

(11:32):
But I think Big Don's the guy that goes and
finds bartenders in these towns and Ra's yeah, finds people
that don't have any reason to you know, give you
the bright and shiny. You know that if there's a problem,
he's going to find it. You know. If this is

(11:52):
somebody that you know does things that they don't want
to be associated with or justn't a good person, you know,
Dom will figure that out. I think for them and they,
I think they depend very heavily on his analysis and
his If he says, you know, this guy was involved

(12:14):
in some sort of incident, but it's not a big
deal and it's not who he is. I think they
they got that was probably the case with Jalen Mills,
who who dropped way down in the draft, because of
some kind of domestic incident.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
That really was seven.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Yeah, he did, but it turned out not to be.
He's never had anything like that in the NFL. It's
something that happened at LSU, and whatever it was, it
wasn't really an indicator of his personality. I don't think,
and you know, I don't think any team he's ever
been on has had any kind of problem with Jalen Mills.
And you know, that's the kind of stuff that they

(12:55):
got Jalen Mills in the seventh round. He's a pretty good
seventh round pick, you know. I think they I know
they rely a lot on dominant side. The rest of it,
I have no idea. I don't know, you know, what
he does. I don't want to speculate on on what
the rest of his duties, but you know, guys can
get in tight fixes off the field, and I think

(13:16):
he probably, uh yeah, that's a does a bit of
that sort of thing. I think that's always the case
with the security director, as was the case was Butch Mechanico,
who was his predecessor.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
It was but bringing Tea into the auditorium and I'd
always hide it, and he's like, I don't want to
spend and I'd spill it in, which was the reason
the rule was there. And he would see it from
he would see it from thirty rows away like ship.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
He come running.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I'm like, god, damn it, how does he see every time? Anyway,
Butcher would always throw me out of the auditorium. But anyway,
that's where's Butch.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
Where happened to him? Is he retired down to the shore.
He's got to be pretty old by now. I don't
really know he's Butcher's got to be pushing eighty or so. This. Yeah,
he was Edrin Bell's security guy when ed was mayor,
and he'd already retired from the police long before that.
So you know you're watching this, let us know how

(14:14):
you're doing.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, right, so, uh, mackay Beckton's still out there.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
Right, Yes, that's an encouraging thing, I think. I mean,
I don't know. I mean maybe it isn't. But you'd
have to think if if somebody had money that they
were going to give mackay Beckton, they'd be doing it.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, you on board with him, like he didn't want
to move his position at the jet he came here.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
He became like mister guy in the locker room.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
Yeah, I thought he did great. He had a few
problems in past protection because he had never played guard
in his life before this year, But I think that's
all pretty easily worked out. I don't think it was
anything that he you know, it was like he didn't
it was like he It wasn't like he wanted to
do the wrong thing. He just did a lot of
twists and stunts and things like that he had never

(15:10):
seen before playing tackle, you know, I think but in
the run game he was a monster. He was just incredible.
And I don't know what he wants in a contract.
Sometimes guys want ridiculous money. You know, Cooper Cup is
out there having been released by the Rams, being over

(15:31):
thirty and thinking somebody is going to pay him thirteen
million a year.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
They're not, you know, rumor the Cowboys are out there now.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:41):
I don't think the Cowboys are going to give Cooper
Cup thirteen million. I don't them at that level. Yeah,
they have cap problems. You know, no team with the
cap crunch is gonna Cooper Cup is limiting himself. If
that's really what he wants, then he's going to be
on a bad team that has a lot of cap money,
you know. I mean, if that's what you want, if

(16:03):
you need that thirteen million again for some reason, sure,
but if you want to go somewhere and win something again,
you have to come in a lot cheaper than that.
But I don't know about Beckton. I think he probably
thought there would be a pretty good payday coming out
of this for him. I'm a little surprised that there
hasn't been. The guy's a monster. I mean, I I
went to New Orleans for Super Bowl Week and I

(16:25):
wasn't there for the game, but I actually got to
see the guy up close for the first time. Holy moly,
you know, that is a gigantic man, even even justin
my Alotta isn't quite like a square a human being
as you know it was.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
If they do sign them, I mean I still have
Steen and like, so what would Green? I mean, it's gas,
but I mean, you know, bringing Kenyon Green, I'm still
I'm still stuck on the CJGJ thing.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
It just bothers me because hey, he was a playmaker, right.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
Yeah, I don't know. I I was surprised. Like I said,
I don't really want to speculate. I think it's unfair
to you know, all kinds of things they could have been.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know, I understand just out on that the on
the safety from New Orleans by a yeah Scooch.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
Well he really got paid, you know, I don't think
he really. We're talking about Justin Reid. Yeah, they they
were in, but nowhere near that level of money for him.
You know, they they want to pile up comp picks
and I don't have they reasonably smart strategy, but we
won't know until they make the picks and the picks play.

(17:39):
I mean, you can have a whole bunch of picks
and still and.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Still be bushed like before before four years ago, right,
you didn't draft very well. How he didn't. So the
last four years I think in the first three or
four rounds, all but one has made an impact.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
So yeah, good for you.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
But and I hear these puns on there, Well, don't
just go to repeat what they've been doing yet. You
know how rare it is to draft two rookie corners,
two rookie anybodies.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
And have them have such It doesn't happen all the time. Yeah,
I'm a.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
Little worried about that, you know, I kidded Hollie when
I was down in New Orleans, I kidded him about
becoming beloved. I said, you know, because how he's self
images that everybody hates him, and you know that, well.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
They're back to hate.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
And if I saw on Twitter they want to lynch
him now, you know, a month ago.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
I don't think there's I don't think I think that's
a pretty small group there, Joe. I think doing autograph
signings and things like this.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
The other day, right, yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
So, but what you're talking about, Joe, people expecting ridiculous.
You know, nobody kills the draft every year, year after
year after year after year. Nobody's ever done that in
the history of the NFL. The Patriots never did it,
you know it. It just doesn't happen, especially when you're
not drafting high. One of those great draft picks that

(19:02):
worked out for them, they just happened because of his machinations.
I give him credit, but they had top ten, top
fifteen picks to get these people. You know, they don't
have that. No, you know, just to say they're going
to pull something like that out of their rear end,
you know again, no they probably won't. But they have

(19:26):
a great team and they really just need some complimentary
pieces for next year. Down the road, they're going to
need to perform more miracles. But you know this year,
this offseason, they don't need to perform miracles. They just
need to kind of keep They did the most important thing,
which was signing Zach Bond, and you know.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
You're the most important of the four guys you could
have left.

Speaker 7 (19:49):
You think absolutely, there's no doubt Joe just not just
because of the fact that he played so well at
a position where they haven't really had anybody good in
a long time, but because the Kobe Dean suffered that
bad knee injury toward the end of the season. You know,
n Kobe Dean, I'll tell you right now, is not
going to be really ready for the start of the season.

(20:10):
You'll hear in training camp that he's ahead of schedule
and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know,
if he's playing and playing well by late season next year,
I'll be a little bit surprised. You know. So you're
looking at if you lose a b what do you have.

(20:31):
You couldn't do that. You just couldn't. There's no scenario
in which you could do that. But anyway, we were
talking about the Compics that the thing about Compics is
if you go out and sign expensive free agents, then
you negate the Compics. So they don't want to do that.
So they're signing cheap free agents to one year deals,
which is something that has worked for them before. It

(20:53):
also sometimes has not worked for them, you know, but
sometimes it does work. And they're not going to sign
anybody that's gonna you know, they want to get a
bunch of cop picks for next year and load up
in that into twenty twenty six draft. And that's their
strategy and.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
We'll see if it works.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
It's interesting. I mean I saw come across Joshua so
how he did it again it's a one year term,
but what is it got four dummy years?

Speaker 7 (21:25):
So it keeps it drives the cap number way down
and if he plays great, they can resign him if
they want to.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, guys, he didn't suit up for the Chiefs in
the Super Bowl. That's so like, how good can he be?

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Well, didn't dress?

Speaker 7 (21:43):
They're pass until the Super Bowl. Anyway, they were considered
a really good defensive line, so it's not like he
didn't suit up for the Browns or something like that.
But he had what eleven and a half sacks a
couple of years ago, yeah, three years and who knows
that they're looking at him. Apparently he's a from what
I read, I don't know anymore. You know, I'm basically retired,

(22:04):
but from what I read, this guy he's good on
a limited pitch count. You know, he's a guy you
can send in for some snaps and he'll get your results,
but you don't want him out there for fifty snaps
a game. Well, the Eagles don't really do it that way.
You know. They edge rushers, They run him in and out,
and they can find some snaps for this guy, you know,

(22:28):
he doesn't. I don't think they're bringing him in to
start or anything.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
No, I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
So less you know the big rumor also out there
that Dallas Dallas Goddard could possibly be the next on
the I mean again, it sounds like, well what they
did they No, I'm sorry, they send a long snapper today, that's.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Right, Yeah, another one.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Lovado looks like he's going to be on the move too.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
So well on those two topics. On Dallas guy, it's
a shame, I hope they don't do it because the
compensation doesn't look like it's going to be anything wonderful.
And sure there really isn't a salary cap benefit this
year to trading Dallas Goddter, apparently you would save money
like starting in twenty twenty six. I mean, how he

(23:19):
knows what he's doing. But to me personally, is this exciting?

Speaker 1 (23:23):
No?

Speaker 7 (23:23):
Yeah, I figure out your twenty twenty six cap in
twenty twenty six, you know, and you don't have a
tight end really. I mean, they signed some guy that's yeah,
and they still have Calcatara, but that the Eagles have
the whole time I've covered them, they've had a top

(23:44):
echelon tight end starting with Sad Lewis, going on to
Brent Selick and then to zach Ertz and then the Goddard,
you know, and they if they get rid of Gutter,
they don't have that guy. So you're then you're looking
at the draft to draft a starting rookie tight end.
Good teams don't go to the draft draft starters, you know,
for right away. I don't like that. I hope they

(24:07):
don't do it. I understand Dallas is probably a little
bit overpaid, given that he gets hurt a lot, you know.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, I mean, and maybe.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
They're thinking, you know, I don't know what their doctors say.
Maybe their doctors are saying, this guy's one more shoulder
separation away from you know, being on the aisle all
year or something. I don't know, you know, but I
hope nothing happens with Dallas Goddard. The other thing, the
long snapper. This is very interesting and I don't often
say that about long snapping, but yeah, Jake Elliot is

(24:44):
coming off his worst year. He and Levado came to
the Eagles together pretty much in twenty seventeen, and I
don't want to speculate too much there either, but the
fact that they're making this move after Jake Elliott's worst
season makes you wonder. I mean, you didn't see a

(25:05):
whole lot of snaps you know that were like way
over here or way over there. But maybe they weren't
that happy. I know, when David Acres, you remember, Joe,
when David Acres was the Eagles kicker, he could talk
your ear off about the operation and how it's not
just David Acres running up and kicking the ball. It's
the snapper, it's the holder, it's the timing. You know,

(25:30):
I kind of think there must have been some dessents there,
So they're gonna have this guy from Cleveland or wherever
the hell he's from, you know, And I guess they
gave him some money, so I guess they're pretty confident
he's their guy.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Those new magic tricks like the other guy did.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
Like Dori and Boss. Yeah, I do you know? Levado
was Dorin Boss's replacement. That's exactly what they did in
twenty seventeen. They brought in Lovato to compete with Dori
and Boss. And it was one of those competitions that
the Eagles sometimes have where you kind of they already
know who they want to win the competition.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Sure, sure, no, I know, well he has just signed
another tight end, Kyle Granson.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
Who is he?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Tight end from the Colts?

Speaker 8 (26:23):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean well, unless you're saying, yeah,
I can see what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
They're piling picks, which is good to have that kind
of capital.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
You can move things around, you can throw them into trades,
and but that to me tells me, and I think
a good GM obviously looks down the road, but also
keeps his eye on what you have here.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Because there's still a window. And I mean they were.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
The right layers and layers of talent this team had
to and they blew the doors off the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
So we're looking in the future.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Do they have the guys to step bop and to
be the I mean a lot of the guys that
left on defense were like Number Two's kind of like
the role, played very well and helped.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
They all contributed. They have that in the in the
in the mix.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
I kind of think they do. I think that Jomo
will be Milt Williams, and I think he'll be very
good at that. They need somebody to be a joemo
now because the Jomo also played, you know, so that's important.
But uh, you know, I think they're okay there safety.
I'm not quite as sure. Sidney Brown was a pre

(27:33):
Vic Fangio draftee, and even after Sidney was healthy last year,
Vic Fangio didn't get him on the field, right. So
a lot of another fans love Sidney Brown because he's
a big hitter. But I don't know, we'll see I guess.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Any chance by Bryce hof Cain contribute next year, I
don't know.

Speaker 7 (27:56):
I think I'm trying to get rid of him too.
You know, I don't out there.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, I'm going to take that contract, huh Yeah.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
I just don't think whatever he was not somehow when
they signed him, they didn't check with Fangio, is my theory,
because he did. He just can't play that I don't
think it's said he can't play period in Fango's He
can't play that system. He's not set up for that
edge roll. They just need to get him somewhere where

(28:27):
he can play and cut their losses. But I think
at corner, I think Kaley Ringo has a lot of promise.
He's a guy that takes penalties. They got to get
him out of that, and they you know, the veteran
Adori Jackson, we started talking about, he's reasonable guy, you know.

(28:48):
So you know, I think they I don't think they've
killed themselves at any position in terms of being good.
Next year, I think they won't be as deep, but
I don't think. I mean, this was the most talented.
This team that won Super Bowl fifty nine was the
most talented Eagles team in the history of the franchise.

(29:09):
Absolutely one of the most talented teams NFL has seen.
Are you going to be able to do that again.
Probably not, you know, it's ought to ask.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
There's a lot to ask, but offensively they seem obviously
they got their boys, they got their horses. Yeah, I'm
under contraction. What do you think about the Sheai Kwan extension?

Speaker 7 (29:34):
I was surprised, But if anybody deserve more money.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I was going to say him.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
He asked, there's a different category because they don't do that.
They don't tear up a contract after year. One wonder
what to has to say about that.

Speaker 7 (29:48):
But anyway, that's exactly what they didn't do for too
in check out five. But you know Howie learned from
Joe Banner. But he's not Joe Banner.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Right, I got a funny story about Joe ban from
this past week. All right, So I was on So
I was listening to Mike miss and Ellie and Bill
Colarulo was talking about Joe Banner, and Mike kept on
egging him on and saying like, oh, you got to
beef with him, you got to beef with him. So
of course me, I decided, oh, it'll be fun to

(30:19):
go on Twitter and crack a joke about the Hogi gate.
And that's why Bill, you know, he tried to sneak
one in when he was working for the Eagles, and
I got a reply from Joe Banner it was, this
is untrue.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
Joe's Joe doesn't like me a bit and I don't
really know why. I felt like I treated him pretty
fairly when I was a reporter. But he has no use.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
For me whatsoever. Why do you think that?

Speaker 7 (30:51):
I I just know he's said some things about me.
And you know, when I was at the Bailey News,
you know, my editors often heard from Joe Banner. Yeah,
smart guy. Uh, hasn't worked in football in quite a
few years, but quite a few has a lot of opinions.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, a lot of feathers.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
The next agent who negotiates a really good contract, in
Joe Banner's eyes, will be the first the agent's never
You know, this is really interesting from a guy who
was a general manager, you know, and a president for
so long.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (31:35):
They always could have gotten more money. They should have
gotten more money.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Why do you think he hasn't found work?

Speaker 7 (31:45):
Well, he's not a young man anymore, Joe, are you
looking for work?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (31:50):
I think when he first left the Browns he certainly was.
I don't know he has a little bit, wasn't He's.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
That he was doing a little bit of being an analyst.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
But I mean, like that minute, he was like a
cap analyst or something right, right.

Speaker 7 (32:04):
You know, he has done some consulting for teams, helping
him in hiring processes and things like that, and I'm
sure he does a good job in those things. But
you know, he's he's a very uh opinionated man.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, Yeah, he likes to He likes to tweet a lot.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
The thing that I think was ahead when when he
was with the Eagles and we talked, we started this
out talking about the tarall Owen situation, and I was
on the Eagles side in that, by the way, even
though Joe would never give me credit for it. On
the other side of it, I always felt like in
contract negotiations, Joe had to win, right. And when you're

(32:46):
talking about integral parts of your team, the way to
look at it is this is somebody you want to
feel good about me there to feel part of you
or operation. It's not so much about you being able
to dance around saying you got them to sign something

(33:08):
that wasn't that great, you know, I mean to me
and I maybe I'm wrong. But that was the way
I viewed a lot of his negotiations as he was
going to be the winner and he was going to
show them who was boss. And I don't think that's
the way you run things in pro sports. I don't

(33:30):
think it works.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, he used to do the what was it, the
proactive contract. Hey, let's do this up front.

Speaker 7 (33:40):
Yeah, they actually passed the rule against even go to
second year players.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (33:44):
I hadn't been drafted quite at the top, you know,
and had had good first years and say, oh, gosh,
you're only going to make such and such this year. Well,
if you want to sign this five year deal, here's
a couple million dollars you know, we can give you
right now. You can buy a house for your mom
and all that stuff that you wanted to do. And

(34:05):
you didn't quite get enough money as a rookie, but
you know, here it is right here signing And people
would do that and three years later they'd be like,
wait a minute, I'm the forty eighth highest paid safety
or edge rusher in the league and I've been in
the Pro Bowl twice.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
There was always a player that gave you guys something
to talk about on daily news live. Oh wait, it
was Brian Westbrook the one year.

Speaker 7 (34:34):
And there were guys that would swear that they would
never do that, and then they would go out and
do it. Yeah, Sheldon Brown, I actually had a conversation
with him. Somebody else signed one of those Joe Banner
specials and Sheldon was like, I'm not ever going to
do that, you know, And the next year there it was.

(35:00):
You know, but they have a you know, in fairness
to the players, the teams have a lot of cards.
Your careers aren't very long, and you can bank on
yourself and gamble on yourself. But if you get hurt,
you lose the gamble, you know, and you end up
with nothing. So you know, there's an enticement, but you

(35:21):
can't sign a guy, a second year guy, to a
long term deal anymore. You have to has to play
a certain number of years before you can redo his contract.
And because of our good old pal Joe, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's real quick just doesn't have to do any anything
with anything. But I was watching Speak for Yourself today,
Manu watcha a former Eagle, Shady McCoy. They were all
talking about the Marcus Lawrence thing came up where.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
You did an interview recently and said, well, there's certainly
right with the Seahawks. They're not going to win a super.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Bowl in Dallas, and Michael Parsons took he wasn't talking
to Michael Parsons. He just said, they're not going to
win the house and he got, you know, all huppy
and anyway, they talked about not liking certain other individuals
on the team, but you still got on the.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Field do the right thing and do the right play.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
And Shady said one time I missed a block because
I didn't like the guy whatever, and our quarterback almost
got killed.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
He said, never did it again. And there's a couple
of stories like that.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
And I forget who it was one of the receivers
talking about No, no, no, it was Acho. He was talking
about one of the defensive linemen. He said, he just
was a terrible person. He said he's matured a little
bit since Shady. Shady said, I liked him, of course,
But do you have any idea who that was on
one of those teams.

Speaker 7 (36:38):
I don't want to speculate on it. I don't know.
He said, terrible, but I wouldn't want to say a name.
And okay, it wouldn't guy. They've had some guys that
I could see fitting that that would have been a
long time ago though, wouldn't it a long time last
with the Eagles right right?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
I was like, I couldn't, couldn't think of of course
Shady liked him so well.

Speaker 7 (37:03):
Yeah, he had a tangled history off the field. He's
he's a funny guy and I like him, but he's
had some some misadventures.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Uh, the mom nicknamed him Shady.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
What do you know what I meant?

Speaker 7 (37:20):
But that is interesting about the dynamic of teams and
how you know, we we kind of have this, we
grew up with this, uh you know, kind of win
one for the gipp or attitude about sports that everybody's like,
you know, all about It's so ridiculous. You get sixty
some people in a room together and you have all

(37:42):
kinds of jealousies and people who are just crazy, and
people who just don't get along, people who the thing
you were Carson Wentz and all that drama. I never
really realized the extent to which he didn't connect with teammates,

(38:06):
but I did wonder, even when things were going well,
about the fact that to be his buddy, you had
to be in the Bible study, you know that he
kind of didn't reach out to people who weren't part
of that little group. And a quarterback, a franchise quarterback,
can't be like that.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 7 (38:27):
That's no, that's you know, and that's kind of the
part of the whole fabric of pro sports is a
leader has to be able to lead and speak to
and relate to so many different kinds of people from
different backgrounds who have different agendas or different points in

(38:49):
their lives. You know, a thirty four year old guy
with three kids is way different than a twenty one
year old rookie, you know, and what he's interested in,
in what he's he does with his life, you know time, Yeah,
and it's very intricate. But the Cowboys thing, I kind
of feel like Parsons feels like he has to be

(39:11):
the spokesman for the Cowboys apparently, right, And it's too
bad because everybody knows DeMarcus Lawrence is right, you know.
I mean, they haven't won a Super Bowl in thirty years.
They're not close to winning a Super Bowl now. Jerry
Jones is eighty two years old. You can tell by
the way he approaches contract negotiations that he doesn't really

(39:34):
understand the way the league is run in twenty twenty five.
You know, it's a tough situation.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
It really is.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
But if I were the leader of the Cowboys, as
Michael Parsons kind of is defensively anyway, I would say,
you know, the Marcus, did you really have to do that?
I don't know that I'd get into a big Twitter
fight with him. You don't need that. If you're looking
at it from a Dallas perspective, you don't need somebody

(40:06):
saying that about your team, and especially someone who was
there eleven years, you know, to hit that on the
way out the door. It's very tough for the people
that are still there.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
We're still there. I'm going to be there for a while.

Speaker 7 (40:20):
I would think about my friends. I guess if I
were to Marcus Lawrence, I'd be thinking about my friends,
and in saying that I could somehow affect a positive change,
which I don't see how that would happen. Doesn't I
just would keep my mouth shut.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
It doesn't do anything that common doesn't do anything. It's
not going to land home in a positive way. And
the fact is he's going to Seattle and.

Speaker 7 (40:42):
He's not going to win. They just got went back, you.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Know, Donald who hasn't wanted anything.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
What it does do is it continues us talking about
the NFL and no other sport.

Speaker 7 (40:55):
And somebody said, Jerry's got to be happy, because that's
all he really wants is for the Cowboys to dominate discussion,
which is the huge which is the root of the problem,
you know, I mean, that's his focus. There is a
story back in the regular season if you saw it,
about how the players hate that they have these guided
tours of the practice facility because there are people like

(41:16):
standing outside the glass watching them lift weights and stuff,
and the players think this is just incredibly intrusive and
hard to focus. But this is what Jerry wants. Boy circus,
you know he's gonna bring charge him fifty bucks ahead
or whatever. You know, let's get through here.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
You know, We're had Marcus on a couple of weeks
ago and he was talking about how being an NFL
owner is just you know, a dream and wild and
just Jerry just takes it to another level and I
mean he just he it's more about Jerry. The focus
of Jerry.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
Oh yeah, they never have a really like a hot coach.
You never see like the best young coach.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Right had a problem with anyone a couple of Super
Bowls and put him in a position to win a third.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
But the attention he was getting, right, And you don't.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
Hear from Jeffrey Luriy during the regular season right ever,
ever things are going well, things are going badly. Jeffrey
Leuriy's around. You can wave to him in the hallway,
but he is not going to say a word about
the game, about what should have happened on third down.
Jerry holds a press.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Conference after every game, every game, and they type it.

Speaker 7 (42:35):
Up for the media, you know, like, here's what Jerry had.
I don't know if we should have thrown that pass
over the middle. Nobody wants to coach in that atmosphere, right.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Lest you make it that now you're making me want
to watch Pony Xcess with the description of how it
is down in cowboy Land.

Speaker 7 (42:54):
Oh, it's crazy, it's just crazy and it and it's
but it's good for the rest of the league because
Dallas could dominate the NFL if Dallas had smart ownership,
the facilities, they have, the national following, they have, the profile,

(43:15):
that team has everybody should want to play there, but
they don't.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
No, not anymore.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Who wants to look over your shoulder all the time
and see Jerry behind you, especially if you're the coach.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
Yeah, and who wants to know that you're playing for
an organization that isn't really focused on winning the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
They're not.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
And you think of that team, there's teams that want it.
There were literally a bunch of Jerry's on that team.
That's I mean, don't get me wrong, they were awesome.
I mean they were.

Speaker 7 (43:47):
So good back in the nineties. Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
But the personality of that team.

Speaker 7 (43:51):
They were all well, they were crazy, and that wouldn't
go in today's social media world. Everything with that house
that they had.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Where they White House, the White House.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
You know, that would be they'd all be thrown out
of the league in twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
For sure. Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
It was an incredible array of talent and the league
was so different that you could keep a team together.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Right.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
That's the thing about dynasties that people don't understand is
the Steelers of the seventies there was no free agency.
Of course, they had a great team once they got
those guys, until they got old they were all Steelers.
We were going to trade Terry Bradshaw or let him
leave in free agency, or mean, Joe Green wasn't going
to become a Falcon or anything.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
You know.

Speaker 7 (44:35):
I mean, and that's what you know, That's why what
New England did was incredible. But a lot of that
was Tom Brady being Tom Brady in the defense. You know,
some years the defense was really really Now.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I mean, Balichuck's tremendous, won two Super Bowls before you know,
he became a head coach, you know.

Speaker 7 (44:58):
But you know, in this you saw Kansas City. Somebody
was saying to me yesterday that Kansas City kind of
looked tired and and not that, I don't know, energetic
in the Super Bowl. And if you've won two in
a row, just the the hurdles you have to go

(45:21):
through to get to the third one, Yeah, I think
that's probably. I mean, you saw them scrape and claw
through the regular season, you know, barely beating bad teams. Yep,
And we we kind of talked ourselves into the all
they've gotten this all straightened out and Mahomes is so
good that it's not going to matter. But it does matter.

(45:42):
You know, if you can't protect Mahomes. He's not going
to beat you, right, you know, he's not going to
beat the other team. He's he's he's one guy, you.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Know, one guy, and you make him run for his
life and make him.

Speaker 7 (45:54):
Feel and you don't give him great weapons, don't.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Give him great Well, that's how they lost their into Tampa.
They were he ran the life in that game. Anytime
Brady didn't win a Super Bowl, I mean against the Giants,
pressure up the middle and made him look on toss,
made him look good. You know, nobody's going to be
able to stand there when you got guys, you know,
pounding you all game and just in your face and
moving you a right pocket.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
So yeah, birth at their birth at a real nice job,
you know.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Again, playing their best two games at the end of
the year, and guys got paid and it's a different
looking defense.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
But I still think they'll be all right, it'll be good.

Speaker 7 (46:33):
It'll be good. They'll be they'll be Yeah, they have
they'll have a tougher schedule. And probably one thing that
tends to happen is the injury luck tends to be.
If it's pretty decent one year, it turns the next
year suddenly everybody, you know, we'll see I mean they're
I wouldn't bet against them neither.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I think they're still loaded. I mean they still have Jailing.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
It's the only quarterback other than Mahomes who's won of
Super Bowls getting paid fifteen.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
You know, of the fifty million club that our club,
he's the only one.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, Borrow has been to one and uh, Jalen's been
to two and he's won one.

Speaker 7 (47:12):
That's right. And the Eagles have never had that before.
You know, they've never had a young quarterback with a
Super Bowl MVP.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (47:20):
You know, they had Foles, but everybody knew he wasn't
really the quarterback.

Speaker 8 (47:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
You just passed the anniversary of the Eagles signing him
that year in twenty seven.

Speaker 7 (47:30):
Yeah, I didn't know that. That's interesting. I was happy
to see that because they what a great guy. He
is a really nice person, interesting.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Family, great athlete. He played basketball. He won, yeah, pickleball
tournaments recently, Like he's a pick a ball champion.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Like he's a good commercial with Tom Brady during the
Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
He's got some good commercials with Brady.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Now.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
It's good Brady can laugh at himself or some of that.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I mean he's got you know, right enough for and
he's got Yeah, he's doing fine.

Speaker 7 (48:03):
Yes, I think so.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
You know, although you know, bringing Geno smith in their
owner is a better quarterback.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Than Geno Smithy Wasn't he come out of the booth
and sling it a little bit?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
But you know, we'll see the Raiders are the Raiders.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
Yeah, it's been a long time since the Raiders were relevant.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
You know, Ritchie was playing there in the early two thousands.

Speaker 7 (48:28):
Yeah, is that used to when you and I were young.
You know, I shouldn't say you're a lot younger than
I am, but you know you were young and I
was middle aged. Let's put it that way. The Raider
brand was that was that meant something in the NFL,
you know, that was that was.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I think the Tuck Rule is the closest they got.
I don't think they've ever been the same since the
Tuck roll game.

Speaker 7 (48:52):
Well, they got to the Super Bowl. Oh, that's right,
the year that the Tampa beat the Eagles in the end,
two thousand and two. He's in two thousand and three.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Super After the talk rule, Yeah, that was.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
They were on fumes then though it was Rich Gannon
and uh from Rice.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah the center when any wall the night before the game.

Speaker 7 (49:14):
Yeah, that's always a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Joss is still running, He's.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Still Joe jerro Visious down in side McCardell that touchdown
before the.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
Half, Yeah, should never have happened, but it did so.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah. Yeah, but always great talking man. Thisre's always uh cleaning.
Lad he's got the vacuum on.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
So we got a roll. Okay, appreciate it, guys. Good
seeing you again. Let's be talking to you. Joke and
always talking to you.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Let's Goone award winning writer for The Inquiry and Daily
News joins us again on the Philly Post on Lockner
and Joe stay, Zach.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Unless right, I'm submitting a piece on kind of how
the week went with the Eagles for heavy dot Com.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I'll put this in the piece and i'll shoot you
the piece later. You can take a look at it, sire.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
But thanks fellas.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
All right, thanks fellows. We'll see you. Have a good night. Thanks.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
Indeed, you have a good weekend.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Your