The Flyers' Jason Myrtetus' Message As He Battles For His Life

This is a CAN'T MISS for anyone going through a life storm. Flyers' studio host Jason Myrtetus is raw and real about his message and his battle with colorectal cancer and how he's going to beat it. This is a MUST WATCH!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Keep trying and let the big dog hunt once again
too and one day. Welcome to another episode of the
Philly Pulse, your City's sports speed. I'm your host, Joe
staysac Seawan Lockner, and Michael Warren joining me once again.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Fellas, how we're doing tonight?

Speaker 1 (00:16):
It is the eve of the NFL Draft, and I
just released my thirty seventh box Draft today.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I know, Michael, you liked that.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
When well thirty six wasn't enough. I was like, are
you gonna update this? Joe, You're gonna be lazy?

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Who's the guy taken? Now?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I think I'm gonna be lazy. But good seeing you boys.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
We'll get into some actual sports nuts and boss talk
in a little bit again. We promoted all week that
we're gonna have Jason Mortiitez on. He was on my
show earlier today Swagger through the Storm. So, without further ado,
he you guys know him radio hosts for the Philadelphia Flyers.
I worked with him in ninety seven by the Fanatic.
He was Mike Missinelli's producer, and then I think he

(00:58):
was his partner for a little while. And without further ado,
he's battling cola rectal cancer as you know, and let's
bring him in by the towers that be from the
Zoom guards once again.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
And he's coming. This is his second go around today.
What you hey, what's up? Brother? I haven't seen you
in a while. Welcome to the Philly Pauls. What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Michael Warren up top, Sean Lockner down down bottom. If
that's how your screen is set up. This is Jason Martitez.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
But I'm formally, you know, for the folks out.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
There to meet you.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Jason. I've heard your name plaster all over Philly Sports
radio for many years.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Oh thank you, Hong WHOA?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:45):
I can't get my one monitor to turn off, to
turn off my amp modelor I can't go write and
my MAMP modelors on that screen.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
What do you? What recording software are you using?

Speaker 6 (01:57):
I use a couple.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
This one's called from an a company called mL Studios
called Roots.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
Okay, it's a free one. It's one of the best
ones you can get.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I had a little INMOS years ago in pro Tools,
like my thirty tracks of pro Tools, which is way
more than you need. Honestly, when you start recording thirty
tracks is a lot.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
Well for recording, I use Adobe, but this is just
an AMP modeler.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's called here.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
I'll shore this to how do I share?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Here we go?

Speaker 6 (02:25):
You're gonna have to turn my ability to do that.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I'm totally being a guitar nerd and derailing the entire conversation.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
I'm sean. I'm pretty much a nobody. I'm like a
huge fan that thinks he can do no.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
No, nobody, but so no, thanks.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
For coming on, man, it's it's a pleasure. I was
out in Minnesota for about nine years and followed you
as well as Mike, and I believe it. I hated
Joe when I was listening to him.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
He joined the clo from who we are?

Speaker 6 (02:56):
Let me share it?

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, we talked earlier today Jason shawing it with The
show is always listed as day to day. Yeah, so
we might just lose the link we send them every week.
But showing up.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
And I'm a probationary employee.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
I don't know wantation.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I gotta call her anyway.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
Let's just hang this up real quick.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
This show is already going on lay down.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
This is a ESP explorer. Nice wolf to man James Hetfield.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
You got humbuckers on that h j H.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
The headset. These are Heffield's signature pickups on this guitar.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
It would cost probably six to eight thousand dollars to
find because it's It was sued by Gibson because it's
the same exact copy as an Explorer. Don't make them anymore,
and I refuse to pay that for a guitar. So
I bought this from a Chinese company and I took
everything out of it and put hat sets in it,
groving locking tuners, a new bridge, a new nut. So

(04:05):
it's the same exact thing that you'd buy. Just cost
me that much money.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I have a friend that does that. He'll buy stuff
from China and he puts them all together himself. That's
a I do have an upside down strat. I have
a I have a left handed strat that I flipped over.
I'm a huge Hendricks fan and I flipped it over
to play for a righty.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
We're gonna get into Jason was a big metallica guy
and guy before he became uh if. We went to
the radio and kind of funny how he the story
of We'll get to that in a little bit. They
make some good Nike stuff over there.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
This Chinaman.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, well, you can't tell the difference. I love I
love China. I know I'm always beating them up, but
I love those guys.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Nobody works with China because they want to. They do
it because they have to.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
This Chinese this is given to me by the one
and only, and it's signed up here. You can't really
see it by who din Bag Daryl Whoa.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
He got shot on stage with damage playing he did.
He was at the hell of a guitar player.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
You guys want to get a room that.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I can. I can do music and guitar like I
can with NFL.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
So I got to know Time really well, like early
in their career.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
But that before we hired.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
You know, I did a metal show on a rock
radio station sports but anyway, anybody.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
Was playing them, so I got very much. So where.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
The pictures up there with Phil But yeah, I've tried.

Speaker 6 (05:35):
To keep up with Phil but that's impossible.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
This is beautiful me at all. I mean I can
go look.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Philip, what does the H stand for not Heroin, it
stands for Hanson, that's his.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
You wouldn't think how was your massage? You went for
a good that was good. Was that like a normal
massage or it was like a sweetish but a little lighter.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
Yeah, it's a light touch. They go with a light
touch for these, which I'd prefer a little more.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
A little deeper.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
Ye, a little deeper than they went. But uh no,
it was good.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
It was good.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
She did a nice job.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Were they Were they going a little light because of
your situation?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Yeah, because there's a lot of muscle atrophy and stuff
like that, so they go a little they go a
little lighter on you.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, listen, I've had my way with you today, so
I'm gonna let the boys ask some question.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
But just to lead off, tell us your story a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I mean, I've prepped everyone out there, and you know
you had the coll of rectal cancer. You have it now,
you had symptoms, you waited a little while, then you
went in and then take us to.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Take us through your situation and how you're feeling right now.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Right now, I feel pretty good, which has been a
rarity over the last four months. Like I can actually
go up down the stairs and I don't feel like
my legs are like spaghetti wet noodles.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
So I feel pretty good today.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Didn't feel great yesterday, didn't feel good the last ten
or eleven days coming out of my last treatment. But
I have another one tomorrow. See that's the fun of
this whole thing. It's like the best way igon equator
is like getting the flu. You know, when you get
the flu or you get really sick, and then you
start to feel better, You're like, oh, they got it.
Feeling better and you're getting better and better every day. Well,
I have an appointment to go back in every other

(07:08):
Thursday and reget the flu. So it's like the mental
part of it, like you're feeling better, you're feeling better,
just to go back in and start all over again
every two weeks. And it's and it's mentally challenging because
this has been four months now that I've been doing
this every other week where they kick the crap out
of me, and then in the recovery process starts all over.

(07:29):
Only every recovery is different, and every recovery is a
little bit more difficult than the one before.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
Because of the cumulative effects.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
You know, you're wearing your body down more every time,
so I go in a little weaker every time for
the most part.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
But with the same same amount of the in the
same formula in the chemo because you told me we
were twenty percent down on something, yes, or last time
you went, or maybe it's.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah, they they backed off down the first infusion that
I get the first two hours or something called oxyley platinum,
and they knock that down by twenty percent a couple
of treatments ago. Because of the side effects that I
get from that, which is there's a lot of them.
There's knowledge, there's fatigue and all that normal fun chemo stuff,
but also it does damage to your nerves. What they're

(08:14):
doing is they're killing me every time I go in
the hope that I stay alive, but it kills all
the cancer. So that's basically what they're doing to the balance. Yeah,
they basically what they give me and the strength of
what they give me on the blood work that I
get on the day of every time so go in
on it. They'll tap me. I have a port in
my chest that's my surgically implanet. They'll take blood and

(08:36):
they'll look at my levels of white blood cells, iron,
red blood cell count, platelets, all that stuff, and that
depends on how strong the mix will be that week.
But there's one hundred percent all the way until maybe
the sixth one they back to the oxidality platinum down
twenty percent. And because of the neuropathy, my hands can
become permanent.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
It's nerved.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
It's why I'm playing the guitar, trying to play a
lot to keep those nerves stimulated. I suck at playing
right now because my hands aren't coordinated properly, but I'm
playing a lot just to keep the circulation and the
nerves kind of engaged a little bit, if you will.
So tomorrow I go in for number eight of eight,

(09:17):
last one of this phase of treatment. Then I'm gonna
get about a month off off some scans in between
they'll see what the chemo has done to the tumor
and the surrounding areas, and then I'll start probably about
a month from now.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
Five weeks from.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Now, I'll start five weeks of where I take a
chemo pills twice a day and radiation five days a week.
So I don't know what the side effects of that
are going to be. They're different for everybody. A lot
of people say that the part that I'm in now
is the hardest part physically and mentally to recover from
and the radiation can get a little rough at the
end because of the cumultive effective radiation five days a week.

(09:57):
But we'll deal with that bridge when we get to it.
For now, I feel good today. I feel good in
the moment, So let's go.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Hey, Jason, So you mentioned on Joe's Swagger Show about
number seven treatment number seven and how tough it is.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
I was warned about this one.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, and now you don't know if it's a psychological thing.
That's like, go a little into it for us.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
The psychological part like it for a while there, like
I would people would be asking me whether it's people
I know or just people you know via DM or whatever.
You know, what's it like going? You know what, what's
this process like? And it's hard to explain what it
feels like. I would have never been able to. Pennant
had to knock going through it. But for a while

(10:45):
there it was seventy percent physical and thirty percent mental.
The mental part is going every other week and starting
over again. And you know, you have moments of just
like any anything else you deal with with, moments of
weakness where you're like, I can't do this anymore. I
don't want to do this anymore. I've been transparent about
it on my podcast. I'll say, like, I got to
go in for people, and I don't want to go.

(11:06):
I know I have to, I have to keep fighting,
but I'm not looking forward to it, you know, And
I'm not looking forward to just another notch of another treatment.
But as I've kind of gone along here, it's still
just as physical, if not more, but the mentals taking
even more of it, like the mental side of it,
because it beached it down.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
For so long.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Like I've been going through this since very early January,
the actual treatment, but the eighteen months leading to the treatment,
I was sick, and in particular the last six months
eight months before I was diagnosed in December, I was
very sick. I was kind of trudging along and pushing
them through it and then denial. But I will tell

(11:48):
you that I traveled in my car with paper towels
because there were times where I'd be driving home from
a Flyers game at eleven thirty at night and I'd
have to pull over to try and shit. That was
my symptom that I was I went from one end
of the spectrum of diarrhea to constipation, but always the
urge to go was there, Like I never went to

(12:09):
the bathroom and felt like I evacuated myself because I
didn't because I couldn't get I had a partial blockage,
like I always say, I felt like I could shop
out of Redwood, California, Redwood, you know those huge ones
they have like cars can drive through. But I'd go
in there and I'd get a rabbit turn, you know,
and I'd be like so unfulfilling and exhausting every sometimes
every fifteen minutes, sometimes every ninety minutes. So I wouldn't

(12:31):
sleep ward than two hours a night, and that all
beat me up pretty good too. So I was very
weak going in to the actual treatment and diagnosis and everything.
But after a couple of treatments about my second or
third treatment, my symptoms pre diagnosis symptoms are all gone.
I sleep normal, I am not diet restricted in any way.

(12:54):
I eat normal, and most importantly, I shit normal. And
the first time I did, I remember being in the
powder room off the kitchen. I went, oh my god,
I was in the bathroom. My mom was like, what,
she's paranoid because if I fell or something like that.
I'm like, you gotta see this. She's like, no, I'm
not coming in to say it. You know, I'll take
a picture. But I was so elated that I went

(13:16):
to the bathroom like a normal person, you know, and
I've been doing that since. So those are good signs
that of efficacy of what they're doing to me. But
you know, I won't truly know until they've taken you know,
do an MRI of my pelvis and ct scam my
chest an abdomen for sure, which will happen on May seventh.
But it's been a ride that has certainly changed me

(13:42):
in a thousand different ways, you know, the way I think,
the way I operate, and I think, the way I
will think and I will operate going forward. Because when
you're faced when you hear that word associated with you
and you're faced with your own mortality, if it didn't
have an effect, then you're not human.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
So and it did so, and it hasn't. It continues too.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Sure, So what was it the first tipped you off? Jason?

Speaker 6 (14:09):
I mean, I know, look at my ship blood?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
What's that shipping?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Blood?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
I'm very transparent about It's ugly, it's not fun to
talk about, but chronic diarrhea, and then and then I
started passing a lot of blood and that got progressively worse,
blood and mucus and things like that, and I was like, Okay,
something's wrong. So I started self diagnosing and thinking, it's
a Crohn's disease. Do I have a bacterial infection, Do
I have an internal hemorrhoid that's causing it, al sort

(14:37):
of colitis, all these different things, knowing deep in the
recesses of my brain that you know, the sea word
was a possibility, but I was hoping it was resolva.
I was hoping it was part of the aging process.
You know. I was telling Joe, like a couple of years,
you know, six years ago, I could see through walls.
I can't see my pham for you know, fifteen inches
from my eyes anymore. That's just because I'm getting older.

(14:59):
But this wasn't getting older. This was thank god, correctal
cancer is a very slow growing cancer. Because when they
diagnose you, a lot of people ask me, you know,
what's stage How do they stage you? And I always
thought it was just a stage one thing. You know,
you're stage two, or you're stage three or four, whatever
it is. But they actually staged you in three ways.

(15:22):
They staged you. So my staging was the first part
was three B, so I'm stage three B. When it
comes to T T three B that's tumor size over
five centimeters. Because of that, that staged at three B.
The second part of the staging is L which stands
for lymph nodes. I'm L two, which is due to

(15:46):
proximity of my tumor two lymph nodes. Lymph nodes didn't
show to be infected, but because of the proximity to those,
I'm T two. And then the really important one is M,
which is I mean if you're if you have any
number next to M, then you're automatically stage four because
it stands for metastas or metastasize, which means spread. And

(16:09):
I'm M zero, so it hasn't spread to any surrounding organs,
tissues or you know, things like that lungs or kidney
or anything like that. So I got lucky because I
denied it for as long as I did, and I
still drew an M zero, so that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I have heard that it's very slow growing. I remember
when I was engaged my soon to be father in law.
I think it was diagnosed with prostate cancer, very slow growing.
He's a doctor, and he's like, I'm gonna wait till
after your wedding to get the you know, the treatment.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
You're thinking, Jesus, what are you three?

Speaker 3 (16:44):
I'm like, dude, it's three months away. What are you doing.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
He's like, just relaxed, it's slow grown, nothing's gonna change
in three.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I'm like, well, you're a doctor. I guess your opinion
is better than mine.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
I said the same thing. I'm like, when do we
start treating tomorrow? And they're like, no, no, no, We're gonna.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
Figure this all out.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
And I'm like I want to yeah, And I'm thinking
I don't want to spread it sem zero right now.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Nothing's going to happen in the next ten to twelve days.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
When you're start on You're like, yeah, says you, yeah, right,
but but yeah, and in research, you know I did
and stuff like that from credible sources of cancer treatment
and care and all that stuff that was the case.
So I did feel comfortable going, Okay, here's when we're
going to start, and it doesn't need to be this evening.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
So obviously, you know, you want to get the message
out there. What is the key message that you could
say for you know, I'm I'm forty six years old.
I'm going to be forty seven in August. I scheduled
it on Monday, physical on Monday, scheduled it.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Significant other Michelle got her scheduled for July seventh. So
we are being extremely proactive on that on that side
of the things. But I guess what is what's the
key thing that you want to you want to say
to all of us when it comes to this, because.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
It thinks and you nipped one of them already. The
age for pre screening for a kolonospy has now been
moved to forty five years old, because it was fifty
It was until more and more young people ended up
where I am.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
So it is now forty five.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
So for insurance purposes, forty five is kind of that
age to go get your your first klenospi and gets screen.
Second subheading of that is one of the reasons I
didn't do it was because I was just in denial.
And the other reason was I thought it would be
massively unpleasant because I'm thinking they're shoving a camera up
my hand, you know, the whole thing and the prep

(18:37):
of evacuating your body. And I didn't want to do it,
and I'm fifty three and I didn't do it. But
I will tell you that getting a kolonospy is the
biggest nothing burger procedure you will Going to the dentist
for a cleaning is worse.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
This is my news I've heard all day.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah really, I mean you're asleep. You're asleep, you.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Take a nap and you wake up.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
I will tell you that after in the recovery room,
the next day, the next week, the next month, you
have no clue they were where they were.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
No, you can do at They give me the option
of staying awake for I know people have done it.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, they get twilighted or you know, twilight anesthesia.
I mean I was out, I mean shooting, shooting the
breeze with the guy about the flyers in the table,
laying on my side, and he's all right, I'm going
to give you to start giving the anesthesia account and I.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
Got the two and I woke up and recovery. You
know it is nothing. The prep is uncomfortable because you
had to drip.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
My prep was I had to drink sixty four ounces
of gatorade mixed with mir relax and take these like
pills and stuff, and then in the morning drink another
like thirty six ounces of it. So you're drinking a
lot and I get so full. And then before you
start going, and then when you start going, it is
Niagara falls like you're going, you know, and you're getting
everything out, and but everyone look at it like your

(19:53):
cell phone, your cell phone and start as stacked weird.
You have to a factory reset on it. I clean
it up, you know, that's who your gin, clean up
your gut. Like I always said, like yeah, when you're
growing up like people of our age like that, you
don't swallow your bubble gum. Put it throw it away
because you can't. It won't digest. I think like when
I did mind, like a piece of hubb of Bubba
came out, I was like, I've been in here since
nineteen eighty seven, you know, but ed get all that

(20:16):
stuff out.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
Of you and it's not bad.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
It's I was going to ask if they found the
hubb of bubba.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yeah, it's no, it's it's a nothing burger procedure. So
that's one thing, and then the other thing is again
with something I didn't do was to listen to my body,
and it was telling me with like neon signs, like
I was in the strip in Vegas flashing Jason, you
got something wrong. Go to the doctor, go to a GI.
Something seems off for more than the usual, just like

(20:44):
a week or something, or something persists beyond that. Just go,
just go get checked out, get the peace of mind
that it's okay. And even if it's not okay. If
they go in and they find a poll up, that's
not a big deal. Pre cancer's poll up nothing. They
take it out when they're in there. You don't have
to go back. They'll take it out. They took three
out of me when they did my colonoscopy and they
found my tumor. Those can turn into cancer, though, so

(21:08):
just go and get the colonoscopy. I just won't people
know that the biggest thing is is corective cancer.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
A lot of these cancers are preventable provided you.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Do those two things, your routine health checkups and you
listen to your body. You do that, you're not ended
up laying in bed for four days feel like utter
hell because now you're in an eight treatment sixteen week
chemo regimen followed by everything else that it's going on
in surgery that could be involved in all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
It could literally save your life.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Jay.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
A lot of people who have gone through this, especially women,
they might not be something to think about. The It
is a confidence because their hair falls out, they look different,
they lost a lot of weight. To me, you look
exactly the same as I saw you last time. I
know you stood up earlier and you said you lost
some weight. Everything else looks intact, but you know you
or not, You've been hit with something and it's something

(22:02):
that makes you think of your mortality. How long do
you take the process that and for you to kind
of come back from that, because usually you take a
dip mentally and then you have to kind of go
into the defense mode your brain and everything, and then
where's your confidence level?

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Well, I mean, my treatment was deemed and I didn't
know the term existed. I'm learning as I go here too,
because I never went through it like this obviously, even
though I've had family members that have gone through it.
My dad died of lung cancer stage four. Was diagnosed
in mid December twenty fifteen. Now they gave him three
months to three years to live and he died in
February of that year. So I learned some then, but

(22:41):
you know, when it came to that stuff, I mean,
they told me they like, heay, you could lose your hair.
I'm like, I don't have any, but but I could
have los like my beard is thinned, and like the
hair under my arms or all my legs, my arms
is a little bit gone. But those things will all
come back. They will return, And I get the vanity
of it. And you don't want to look sick. It's

(23:02):
just like you don't a lot of times want to
be treated like you're sick. It's advice i'd give to
anybody that has a friend or a family member going
through it is know when to treat that person like
they're sick and when not to because we need normalcy too.
Like just because I'm sick doesn't mean I can't be
an asshole to my wife or you know things like that.

(23:26):
I still can be. And if I am, call me
out on it. Don't treat me different because I'm sick.
Talk to me like I'm normal.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Here's a little tip that you should use that as
an excuse and be like, oh my god, you can
just be an ass whenever you want to be like guys,
you know.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
I did that for years. But so yeah, I mean
there's things your body is going to go through it
and sometimes you know, you got to listen to your
body when you're going through it too, When your body's
telling you to sleep, sleep, don't feel guilty about it.
You know, we think a lot of times as men

(23:59):
as actually like I gotta go, I gotta do this,
I got to push through. I gotta rub some dirt
on it and keep going.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Well.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
When I'm tired, I lay down and I fall asleep,
and I do everything I can to not feel guilty
about it. There's things I've had to miss. My daughter's
theater performs I had to miss because there's no way
I could have gone and made it through that on
the day it was scheduled and based on how I
was feeling, you know, and I feel guilty about it,
like it's my son's senior year of high school. I'm

(24:26):
missing the entire thing. But they understand, and you know
they'll understand too if you communicate those things to them.
Of when you need to be treated like you're sick
because you need help, whether that's physically in you know,
preparing a meal or that's mentally and what you need.
And for the caregivers too, when somebody's in the mindset

(24:50):
of defeated, and you'll have times when you feel defeated,
let them feel it. Let me feel defeated, let me
say I'm going to give up. Let me I'll get
past it as long as you let me feel it.
So those things are really important. Like last week, I
was in a really bad place. I think it was Tuesday, and.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
I just wasn't. I was feeling physically awful, mentally awful,
and I was done. I was cooked. And my wife
knew not to say, oh, it's gonna.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Be hey, you got this cancer fucked with the wrong person,
you know. That wasn't the time for me to hear that.
She just sat with me and I said a thirty
minute timer on my phone. I said, I'll give this
shit thirty minutes to beat me up, for me to
scream and yell about it, cry about it whatever. And
when that thirty minutes was up, I said, Okay, now
we're ready to go. It was like that scene in

(25:46):
The Green Mile when the guy opens his mouth and
all that shit comes out. I had to let it
all out. I had to get it out of me.
And I don't know why I thought to do that
and set a timer on it, but it's probably my OCD.
But immediately after that, I started feeling better. So you're
going to go through these these things. And I mean
I correspond with people I've never met before multiple times

(26:07):
a day that are in the fight or at different
stages in the fight, or have gone through it. These
people I did not know from I could have walked
violence show never really are but we've connected somehow through
technology and you know, Twitter, DMS or whatever it might be.
These are the cancer buddies that I have that you know,
we talk about how we feel like crap when this

(26:30):
happens or that happens, or how I dealt with it
when you have no strength, you know. And it's good
to have those people as support part of your support
group as well, because we're all going through it and
it takes an army to defeat this thing. It's not
gonna be be by myself. It's it's everybody that's been
a huge help along the way.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Jay, I'm gonna hook something real quick before that. The
boys have at you. You mentioned you have OCD, I
can tell you that two of the three other guests
on this panel habit and one of the other one
acts like does so like?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
How does? How do you deal with that?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Because I know having it it catastrophize this thing sometimes
it makes thing a whole lot worse even when nothing's wrong.
So when you have something cataclysmic like this for your
brain to process, how does the SCD deal with this?

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Not well? Because what is OCD about? It's about control.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
I think I developed OCD through athletics because of the
position that I played in sports, because I was a goalie,
and as an you know, alpha athletes, we want to
control everything. The problem is with the position I played
as a goalie is a reactive position. I can't control
the defenseman covering the guy on the back door, I

(27:43):
can't control the so i'd to be reactive. So a
lot of goalies suffer from it because the thing that
they want to control the most is the things in
the field of play, but you can't. So why are
goalies so weird? Why are they so ritualistic? Because off
the field play they can control it, which is why
you see so many put on the right skate.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
First, or they do the same exact rigid routine.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
Because when they get on the field to play, they
can't control it. But it's hard because like I can't
sit down to watch a movie in my family room
if there's a dirty dish in the sink. It drives
me crazy. I'll think I'll watch the movie thinking it's
not organized.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Though in the back of your head it's not perfect, and.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yep, they're not where I need them to be. And
having cancer and going through treatment, you lose all control.
I have no control of how I'm going to feel.
It's not day to day. It's not a hour to
hour how I'm gonna feel, it's minute to minute. When
I run out of energy, it happens like a switch
is flipped that I didn't flip, just all of a sudden,

(28:49):
it's boom done, Gotta lay down, and five minutes later snoring.
So it's that's been a huge adjustment for me, is
you know, riding the wave of the things I can't
control and not stressing about them. Now in my space
that I'm in down here, I basically live down here.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
There's a bed right there.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
Because my sleeping patterns get upside down because I'll sleep
all day sometimes or whatever. When I go to lay
down down here, I do put everything in the right
places and still have those OCD tendencies, But there's a
lot of it I can't control and there's nothing I
can do about that.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
But you've got a room with a bed and guitars.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
I mean, that's it's it's basically an apartment. Pretty sick. Yeah,
there's about five guitars.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Ha I love, by the way, how you put the flyers,
like the little you know, the image behind you're like
reporting on a show on the Roku backdrops.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Yeah, it's a sharp Jason so I I caught you
on ninety seven five The Fanatic the other morning with
John and I just I love the supports that you're
getting from the NHL, from the hockey world, from from
sports in general.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
John John's with John, I had.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
I have a friend of mine his wife is battling
calling cancer and I emailed him out of the blue
when it first happened. And the information that he sent
me to give her and he doesn't even know me.
I mean, when you talk about your your cancer buddies
like it's powerful and it's it's it's awesome that you
have that support and those individuals that are going to

(30:24):
guide you along the way. So I'm grateful that you
have that.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Yeah, and to I told this to Joe earlier, that
a lot of this has renewed my faith in humanity
because it was waning in our world today of keyboard
warriors and division is at There's no murky middle on
opinions anymore. It's either I totally agree with you, or
you're an idiot, you know what I mean. And it's

(30:50):
easy to tell somebody they're clueless or they're an idiot
behind a keyboard and in an anonymous account. But through this,
and I shouldn't be surprised because anytime something in the
hockey community happens, whether it was the humble tragedy or whatever,
you see the community rise around the people to support them.

(31:12):
And it's going on obviously for me, well beyond the
hockey community. But the support that I've gotten, you know,
one of the reasons why I went public, and I
decided I would do that very early on, was because
I had to. I had to give this whole thing purpose.
Like I could have sat there and said, why me,
I see these people walk around, they're bad people. They

(31:35):
treat their bodies like crap. They treat other people like crab?
Why did they not have it? And I do when
I try and live a pretty clean lifestyle, I try
to be good to other people, like why did I
get this?

Speaker 6 (31:46):
And why didn't they? So I could have gone down
that road and it wouldn't have done me any good.
So I had to give it purpose. And my purpose
was to.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Create awareness so that other people wouldn't have to go
through this, and that's why I went public. I've always
been pretty transparent about my private life on the air anyway.
There's obviously some things, there are areas I don't go,
but I just always thought that that was my way
of just being authentic of who I am. I struggle
with stuff just like anybody else does, despite what I

(32:15):
do for a living or how it looks on the air.
Sometimes because we can fake it on the air, it's
easy for a period of time to fake things. But
in going public, I knew that people would help me
that went through it or you know, just whatever. But
you know, I knew I could help people. But I also,
you know, selfishly knew that they could help me. And

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it's been a two way stream. Very reciprocal, So that.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
Was a big thing.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
And you know, to get that support sometimes from somebody
I don't know, They don't know that when I read
it or I get the message that it's exactly when
I needed it has been one of those things that
has definitely pushed me through at times. You know, you
lean on the people cloth to you to do that

(33:01):
on that consistent basis, but sometimes you need you need
call on some more troops and they've.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
Delivered for me.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
So that that and you know, the healthcare team as well,
that that's taken care of me. My doctors and nurses
and all the practitioner, all those people had just been
It takes a village and they've been incredible. So like
I can't thank people enough for the support you know

(33:29):
that they've shown me and and and helped me, you know,
do the right things at the right time, and and
in different ways too, like I get it from different people,
Like I get a different message from John Kincaid that
I get from somebody I don't know that and honestly
sends me a note.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
Or Eddie Olchek, who's.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Been a huge help to me and gone through this
yea and torts is you know, despite the rough exterior
and the complicated personality and coach that he is.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
I mean, he's been an absolute rock for me.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
I hear from him two three times a week every week,
even since he's been let go, and and believe me,
his messages are a lot different than everybody else's.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
I love hearing how he's treating it like a coach.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm anticipating I'll get a message
from tonight because he knows my schedule, and I'll tell
me you're going in for your last one tomorrow and
to not fuck it up. But hey, you know, to
get that from him means the world to me. He's
a good human being and you like that, you like
to be like that. It hit me hard, man, Yeah,

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it's I don't mind being coach, tr I'm not going
to take it personally.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Just don't make you a healthy scratch. We don't need that.
We don't need to sit with beach cough when he
needs ice time.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
And do the right things and you won't end up
in the press box eatn popcorn.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Hockey.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
There.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I'm gonna say, let's segue, because Jason, one of the
things you either mentioned overtley or sublime way is it
really helps part of this message, just to tell people
that normalcy is what people going through, what you're going through,
need a lot of normalcy, you know. Treat yourself like
you said, like call you out on stuff and don't

(35:11):
don't like you're not the leper you're you want to
be treated normally.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
So let's let's get back into some sports talk and
all that. All that. Sean kicking off. He's been chopping
at the bit to ask you some flyers questions.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
All right, He keeps texting, texting his notes.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Jason, Yeah, we've get a note. Yeah, just answer his
questions so you can stop hearing.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
Nothing is off limits.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
My ship man, yours my friend, I know.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah yeah, Jason, we'll get to the Joe stay Zac
stories maybe the next time you join us, because I
got some good ones. But anyway, we're talking about the rebuilding,
you know, the retooling. So where the flyers are right now?
What what what's with the roster? Roster and resources? What's
the best path right now?

Speaker 6 (35:55):
What do you say?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
A couple he did make some moves today. Danny released
a couple of assistant coaches and a skills coach, Daryl
Williams who came in under a.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
V IF I recall.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Part way through Av's tenure here and then obviously through
the first couple of years of tours he was let go.
So was Rocky Thompson, and you know, Rocky became the
poster child for power play. He was the one that
was coaching in so and then Angelo Ricci, was a
skills coach, was let go as well. I'm really bun
the best. I really like Angelo a lot. I think

(36:31):
he's just a good hockey guy. But that's part of
the business. As far as you know, going forward, I
think you have to be careful. I think it's time
to start adding I know there. I see it on
social media already. It makes me want to Vomit is
they need to tank one more year, do everything they can,
just stink so they can get Gavin McKenna. Like, what

(36:53):
else can you take away at this point, I mean,
you've got Since Danny's taken over two years ago, there
were thirty five players that played a shift for the
Flyers in that season where Danny took over and Chuff
Fletcher was fired. All of those thirty five players, twenty
of them are now gone, whether through trade, whether through
not re signing them, whether Carter Hart situation, whatever it

(37:14):
might be. Nineteen to twenty of them now are gone.
How much more can you take away?

Speaker 6 (37:20):
You can?

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Plus, I think you know, going through another year of
expecting bad results and almost you know, wanting it a
shot at Gavin McKenna, which by the way, would be
about a ten percent to twenty percent chance in a
lottery world. Being the worst team creates scarts issue, like
players aren't like fans. Like fans, we have a lifetime

(37:45):
kind of we're initiating into a lifetime contract with a team.
Players are initiated into a career of six to nine
to ten whatever years it may be. So they have
a window that opens and closes, as there were stays closed. So,
and I'm not a believer that just piling young players
as a path to victory, it's part of it. So

(38:07):
I think they need to improve this offseason in a
couple of key areas. But I don't think it's the
off season to go out there and go, hey, we
got this money, let's break the bank, because what do
you break in the bank on thirty six year old
John Tavares as you're because he's the best available center.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
Like, no, there's.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
A I'm not in favor of going out and getting
the best available guy just because he's available and I
have some money at that time. I want the best,
and if I have to wait longer for the best
to become available, I have to wait a little bit longer.
But it doesn't mean I can't improve team. I can't
improve the goaltending position. I can't find some more defenseman,
or I can't find an upgraded center. Whether you've got

(38:49):
an RFA market and go try and get Gave Valardi
from Winnipeg. Whatever it is, you can improve, but you
don't have to get your one C this summer. When
next summer Jack Eichel and Connor McDavid maybe free agent market,
Like I'm not going to spend money this summer. I'm
not going to spend money this summer that I'm not
going to be able to have next summer if those
two are on the market now, not in the mix.
I can't do it because I signed John Tavares to

(39:10):
a three kyear contract. That would be silly. So I
think you have to be careful. There still has to
be some patients involved in here. Very measured but it's
time to start improving this acceptance of losing.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
And to me, it's an infection.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
It's the mechanic who works on cars all day and
comes home and just doesn't pick up a bar of
dove soap and wash his hands and all the grease
comes off. You got to get the lava soap and
the scrubbers to get losing off your hands.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
So you're leading. You're leading right into my next question
because you're talking about patients. And as you know, in hockey,
there's no patience when it comes to the coach.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
No, the average ten years, two point two seasons.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
So let's talk about David Carl and the criticism that
he gave the NHL where he said, look, you know,
if the right deal, the right place comes along. Yeah,
but I want time, I want to.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Might, I want to real quick, just stability.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
Yeah, my bad brother of Matt Carl.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Yes, brother of Matt Carl.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
I did call that up pre show.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yeah, great college coach has had a success, yep, has
had a success. Coach in the US national team at
World Juniors. Obviously he's a good guy, developing talent and
being able to speak to the younger players. I think
He's in his mid to upper thirties thirty six thirty
seven at this point, so he can clearly identify with

(40:33):
the mindset of a younger player being a younger guy.
And he's not wrong about tenure. But why the question.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
Is is this?

Speaker 5 (40:43):
And I have a theory, because I always have a theory.
Why do NHL teams fire coaches so quickly?

Speaker 6 (40:50):
Well? The answer simple because it works.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
How many teams have fired their coach mid season and
then going on to great success? There's been a lot. Yeah,
And but why does it work? You know, did Peter
lovey Let won the President's Trophy? Not not this season
but the past season? Did he did he forget have
a coach over the summer?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Exactly right?

Speaker 5 (41:12):
These guys coach that GM screwed that team six ways
this Sunday with information getting out the Truba and Zabad
and Jad and Crider were available. That wasn't on Peter
lovey Let. Things fell apart from another source. But he
gets let go.

Speaker 6 (41:27):
But why why change the coaches is often things to do.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
My theory is one that I lived and Joe lived,
is in hockey. If you played any kind of high
level hockey as a youth player, you know, dad's not
the coach when you play high level hockey, if you're
playing this house. You know, when you're a squirt in peewee,
there's a dad on the team that's the coach. But
when you're playing high end tier one what they would
call it now Triple A, it's a guy that's not involved.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
He's he's a hired coach.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
And you have your two years in squirt and then
you moved to pee wee and you moved to a
different coach for two years and two years of pee
wee and then you get to ban him, and then
there's a new coach at Bannham, and there's a new
coach at midget, and there's a new coach at junior
every two years. So you've been getting a different voice
every two years all through growing up. I think that
plays a part in it. But but David gave Carton

(42:19):
he's not gonna leave his very secure gig with a
young family to go to the NHL, sign a five
year contract, be financially set up, but be out of
a job in two point two years. It doesn't work,
and you know, teams will eat the money. You know,
a team like Detroit eat the money. Chicago would eat
the money if it didn't work. So I don't think

(42:43):
he's in play for the Flyers. I think they want
somebody that has pro experience. That doesn't mean NHL experience,
but pro experience. Could have been an NHL assistant coach
at one time, but a head coach in the AHL
or something like that. I think they're looking at guys
like that for this group to take that next step.
I don't know with such a young group that they

(43:04):
have that. You want a coach that's learning the grind
of the NHL schedule, travel on ice, off ice, all
that at the same time his young players are learning
it as well, So I think that's an important element.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
So I don't I don't think he's in play for
the Flyers.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
And it's not because Dave Hackstall didn't work out, you know, Yeah,
I mean it. Hack was a great college coach. But
you know, oftentimes in sports, do we see a coach
get his first gig, make the mistakes, get fired, and
then become the great coach at the second or third gig.
Like look at Bill Belichick.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
No one loved him in Cleveland.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
They thought he was a joke. Right turned out he
learned from Judge.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Then he goes on and look, you I have players
to yah, you know soon.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Who would you like to say coaching this team next year?

Speaker 5 (43:58):
Yeah, it's still hard for me to say, because I
don't know who's all truly available. Uh, you know people
mentioned talkt obviously because his option was not exercised and
the obvious connection. I don't hire Rick Hocket because he
was a Flyer. I don't not hire Rick Hocket because

(44:19):
he was a Flyer. I don't give a crap if
he's from Neptune. You know, I don't care. I don't
care if he coached the Dallas Cowboys or played for him.
If he's the right coach for the team, you hire
the right guy.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
And Jason, can you explain that it does seem like
there's a thing within the Flyers. Maybe it's a fan thing.
They get all jacked up about bringing ex players back.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
Well, it's a false narrative.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I mean they get and this is Flyers fans are
different of the four teams in this city. Flyers fans
are their own thing.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
Yeah, because there's a cultish.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
It is, which is fine.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
I think it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
I think I think it's odd that they all have
a jersey of one player that has twelve players signatures
on it. I never understood that we have one. I'm
sure only fan called w I P years ago and
was like, I think Brian Dawkins should coach the Flyers' goalies.
And I was like, dude, we're going too far. They

(45:13):
said in.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
My life, Seth Joyners should be the next coach of
the Eagles.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
Because they like he's never coached.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
I know it's because everybody's changing positions in the lineup.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Well, I like, think about this, if the determining factor
on a coach was how he played, when Gretzky would
have been one hell of a coach.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
You know what, Jason, I'm glad you brought that up,
because for years we heard all when Peyton Manning retires,
he's going to be a coach. Great players tend not
to make great coaches. Mike Singletary, how good of a
player was he? Lou coach?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
His biggest issue was too impatient with guys who didn't
get it like they did.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
They were too but.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Who Singletary had no accountability? He show up late for
his own meetings. I remember Brian told me he was like,
I believe it.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
That's not good. Yeah, but a lot of times.

Speaker 6 (46:02):
He can't explain why he did what he did.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
You're exactly right, a great player, Peyton Mann. They get
frustrated that they can't understand why that person can't. That's
why if you look at Gary Kubiak career clipbold clipboard holder,
Doug Peterson career clipboard holder, a backup quarterback in the
NFL sense, they know what it takes when I don't
have all the pure talent that you have, I have

(46:24):
to do the other things that yes to function stay
in the league.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
Yeah, I mean like guys like Gretzky, great players.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
How long did he last? But the Coyotes.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Coyotes guys.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I mean it's not like he went to the Canadians
or the Devil had Martin Brodor and Steven.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
He coached the Coyotes.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
That's a big hockey market. Stays act like it was.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Yeah, I mean he and you look at that, like
you know, you look at Rubio. He's a fighter in
the ANHL. How can he know anything about a power play? Well,
chiefs a good coach. He's a really good coach.

Speaker 6 (47:06):
You want a coup a Cup in twenty nineteen. You know,
you see it all the time.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Is Martin Saint Luis a good coach in Montreal because
he was a great player. No, it's because he knows
how to communicate the game. He knows how to lead,
and that's what it's about. That's it's to me, the
biggest intangible of coaching is the.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
Ability to lead men.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
And sometimes that's through an iron fist, sometimes that's through
a hug. And there's all different ways to do it
at different times. So who should the next coach be?

Speaker 6 (47:37):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
I don't buy into the old age old notion of
you go from the hard driving Larry Bea to the
soft touch of Charlie Manual and then when that doesn't work,
you go back to the hard driving coach act. You know,
you got this back and forth, the ying and yank.
You just got to find the right guy for the
right group at the right time. It's really hard to
win in these leagues today. I mean, think about it.

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The Toronto Maple Leafs have had great player after a
great player in this iteration of their franchise.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
They have not.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Won the Stanley Cup since the league expanded to beyond
six teams.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Well, and they haven't sniffed the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
No, they haven't.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
They've won like collectively since the mid eighties, like three
rounds of the playoffs. They're one of the greatest scorers
of all time in Austin Matthews right now and Mitch
Marner and John Tavares and William all these players. But
damn it is hard to win a thirty two teams,
salary cap parody driven league because you make a mistake

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and you don't get any get out of you.

Speaker 6 (48:41):
You can't buy your way out of jail. You can't
you live with the.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Mistake, or you know, or you just causes you to
tread water. So it's very difficult to do. As far
as finding that guy, Look, I don't know. I think
Rick Hackett is obviously would be a candidate.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Eight.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
I think a guy like Todd Nelson, who's won back
to back championships in the HL with the Hershey Bears,
was a former NHL coach, is a serious candidate. He's
fifty three, fifty five years of age. I look at
you know who Elseville you can go like that? You
know the lovo Let, Claude Julian route. I wouldn't be

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in favor of that, Well.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Wouldn't you be in favor of like Claude Julian And
kind of a lot of I know, a lot of
Boston people thought he got a little bit of a
raw deal. And then yeah, Montgomery coach the team who
won like eighty five out of eighty two games, and
two years later he's gone, Like, but I thought Claude
Julian might have gotten a little bit of a chef there.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Yeah, I mean I think he's a good coach, obviously
won a Cup in Boston. It just doesn't sizzle me
in any way, shape or form. I do look at
a guy like Jay Woodcroft, who, unbelievably you think about
the the Edmonton Oilers, some of the great teams.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
That they had, Jay Woodcroft has the highest.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Points percentage winning percentage of any Oilers coach in the
franchise's history. And you only got two years and that
includes Gretzky Curry eighty five. Yeah, the greatest team ever
in eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Right that we ran into we ran into We always
the Flyers have.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
The worst, but the Islanders, the Canadians, the Oilers, we
always run into the dynasties. Here Blacks ended up winning
three and five years.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
I will there's no comparable in sports. Here's what the
Flyers have done since they win the Cups. They went
seventy four and they win in seventy five and seventy six.
They go back to the Cup final, first of six
appearances afterwards.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
And who they lose to?

Speaker 5 (50:41):
The Montreal Canadians who won four straight Cups. Nineteen eighty
they go back to the finals again and get They
draw the New York.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
Islanders the off sides.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
That was a game in games, yep, Leon Stickell. What
do the Islanders do? They win four straight Cups? They
go back to the Cup in eighty five and eighty seven,
they get the Edmonton Oilers, who won four Cups in
five years. Greatest team ever dynasty. So those three teams
right there, dynasties, right, Okay, they don't go back for

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a while. They go back in ninety seven. What who's
the Detroit It's swept by Detroit. Win is the favorite?
Detroit wins three Cups in five years. They lidstrom Federal
off all dynasty. Okay, they go back in twenty ten.
They lose the first Cup to Chicago. The Chicago wins
in years, three Cups and five years and another dynasty,

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Like it's is.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
That what you're saying?

Speaker 6 (51:39):
Sometimes you get there and it's depends on your face.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
Like when when the Eagles went to the Super Bowl
in twenty seventeen. I remember having the conversation on the
radio for the AFC Championship. You want to do you
want the Jaguars to win or do you want New
England to win? I wanted New England to win. I
wanted to if you're gonna win the Super Bowl, beat
the best. Beating the Jaguars would have felled a little
lesser to me. Not that beating the Tampa Bay Rays.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
I think they always go back to you know what
I mean?

Speaker 5 (52:04):
In two thousand and nine, what question for you, Jason,
because you mentioned the Blackhawks series.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
You're a hockey guy, you has to know way more
about hockey than I do. Was that the two worst
goalies you've ever seen in a final? Layton and Bouchet
I think got in there and I'm trying to.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
What's what was Late's just in the final? And it
was Anti Yemi was Miami?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
That's right?

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Yeah, I mean just absolutely.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
He did he wanted he won in twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, but here's the thing after that, but yeah, she
did win there.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
Michael Layton in those playoffs, mind you, they beat the
Montreal Canadians in the Conference final in five games. You
know that Michael Layton in those five games had three shutouts.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
He did.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
You know who was his main defenseman was back then? Yeah, Chris.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
As soon as he came into the face, that defense
was never the same. I've heard he still has eye
problems and headaches.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
Oh yeah, he's still he's dealing with probably a ton
a ton of that stuff still. But but Lates in
those playoffs was unbelievable. I mean, stunt he won. They
won Game one, six nothing. They won Game two three nothing.
So back to back shutouts to open a conference final series,
by the way, both at home. Then we go to

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Montreal for Game three, they lose five to one. That's
the sand on the ice game, which I'll tell you about.
Then Game four, huge game. You're up to one on
the road in Montreal. Flyers go out and they win
that game three to nothing. Game five back in Philly,
like Richard's the short handed goal, yep, like the shift yea,

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Richie gets that goal and they end up winning the
series and they're off to the Cup finals. So as
any goal even get hot, any going guy, I mean
look at like Aiden Hill or I mean, let me
take it back to the Hamburglar that got outaway to
the conference final and that run that one year against
Pittsburgh where Konitz scored the overtime game winner in Game
seven to send Pittsburgh to the O nine Cup Final

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and win it. You know, Andrew Ham Do you even
know the Hamburgler his real name, Andrew Haven't.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
Nobody knows who he is. He went, he got hot
for one run. Brayton Hope.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
He lost the crease when the Caps won the Cup,
got it back in game three of the first round.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
Made the paddle save which made that save. Yeah, the
reverse paddle save. He wins the coverbody thinks that he
was the guy all season. No, he lost the crease.
There's a Goltending is one of those things that's fleeting
at times.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
But Scheron Gay Bobrowski was Flyer property until they went
with the three man rotation and he went up to
the press box, never to be seen again until he
shows up in Columbus. He wins a couple of business and.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
He wasn't going to extend because he just remember his
golf the some twelve yearstrosity paid.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I think he's still that phony.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Mangus.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Big is big, and the Flyers always seemed to for
a while there get bitten by the goalie that finished
the year strong and going in the next year, like
Bouchet in ninety nine. When he's wiping his stick across
the crease, We're like, we got our guy. And then
the next season it's like, ugh, Jack Monica had some
good times and you're like, oh, we got our guy,

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and it's like, no, you don't. He's stoppings with his head.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Well, you remember Rod hackstarty seven. He did, he was
He never had a year like he had his rookie
year when he took him to Game seven. ACTU had
the lead in game schevn Murray Craven the five on
three goal and then they ended up losing three to one.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
But never the same after that. And since you brought
that off, I got to ask Jation.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Goltenan real quick on that. Yeah, goaltending does not happen
in a vacuum. A lot of goaltending result is based
on what happens in front of him too. So you
know we judged goaltenders on Oh sure they're raw numbers,
but they're raw numbers. Don't take into account environment, environment, environment, environment,
And I'll tell you I'll overstate the case with the

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factual thing that happened. Dougwaight was the coach of the
New York Islanders.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
I forget what the year it was, maybe.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Nine, eighteen nineteen, no, seventeen eighteen. The New York Hounders
gave up the most goals in the NHL. They their
fan base, our goalie sucked. They couldn't stop a beach
ball from the blue line clear sided. Two goalies were
Thomas Grice and Yarrow. He lock both of those two guys.
They stink. We can't go anywhere with these guys. Gave

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up the most goals in the league. Doug Waite was fired,
Barry Trotz was brought in. And Barry Trotz brings two
things with him. He brings the structure non negotiable defensively,
and he brings Mitch krn Is, his goalie coach who
I went to Mitch Cort and goalie camps as a kid,
one of the great goalie coaches. But because of the

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predictability and environment, Thomas Grice and Yarrow Hellock that year
gave up the least amount of goals in the NHL.
They shaved off one hundred and two allowed goals from
one season to the next, the same two goaltenders a
year older, mind you, and without John Tavares for the
first time, one of the great two way forwards in

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the game.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
How did that happen? That's called environment, predictability and environment.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
When the back door is never covered and you get
touched up for three goals in a game on the
back door, what are you going to do the next time?
You're going to lean towards the back door. When you
lean towards the back door, you're dead. The AHL player
goes short sight on you because you're leaning back door.
Those things affect a goaltender.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
That's that's great stuff spoken from a goaltender.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
And probably again back to the OCD.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Probably I love it. I wanted to circle back because
I get asked this question a lot. I don't know
the answer to.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Maybe you won't meet a nicer kid than Carter Hart.
Doesn't mean that they can't. People can't, you know, make mistakes.
I'm not saying you did, but I know you've been
out of the NHL.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Not guilty today as a matter of fact, yeah, we
talked about that.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
He did plead not guilty today and I called Zach
A couple of years ago. My stepdaughter was having real
mental health issues and depressed, and I said, this is
my idea. I didn't know they did this, and he
you know, they had players that would like give messages
and they'd send them.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I said, any chance, she loves Carter Hart.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Ten minutes later, I got a video message I sent
to her and picked her spirits up.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
He was a really nice kid.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Maybe didn't succeed, maybe it didn't reach the expectations as
when he came into the Flyers. But again you mentioned
the environment and whatnot. And then this thing happened where
he's I don't even know a lot of the details
of it, although I've bread up on it, but Carter
Hart say, let's just say, and I think Sean brought
this up. He's acquitted or charges get dropped, or does

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he have any shot at coming back anywhere and playing
again in the NHL?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Let alone, the Flyers.

Speaker 6 (58:55):
In the NHL.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
Absolutely, I don't think he's coming back here. I think
he was ready to move on prior to it coming out. Anyway,
I remember that preseason, as you guys can imagine, with
what I do, I tend to get pretty close with
the goaltenders for a couple of reasons. One because I
love talking shop about it, and they goalies loved talking
to goalies, not just about like gameplay, but equipment or

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whatever it is. We're all kind of cut from the
same cloth and the goalie union. And then the other
thing is is they know that I'm a staunch defender
of the position. You know, a lot of fans go
see buck stop buck and I say, hold on, not
so fast. Why did the puck end up wearing?

Speaker 6 (59:33):
Ended up? Who screwed up?

Speaker 5 (59:35):
And a lot of times it's not the goaliese So
I've been known as a goalie apologist, so they appreciate that.
And I became very close with Carter.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
He's a young guy, and.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
We would text a lot, and not about goaltending, about music.
He was playing guitar, I mean all kinds of things.
And I remember talking to him preseason the year before
this past one and we're upstairs at this training center.
And I said, all white pads, Like, what's up with that?
He goes, I didn't know if I was going to

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be here because he never went all white pats. He
always had orange and black on his pats. Always liked color.
And I said, I said okay. So I said to him,
I said, uh.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
Do you want to be here? And he's like, I
want to win, Like I see a rebuild in front
of me. Here go always get.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Paid on row numbers, right, all right, wins and fave percentage.
And I got this team that I'm playing behind right
now that's taking pieces away, not adding them. Like I'm
coming up to my unrestricted free ag.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
I want to cash in.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
I got one career, So I think he was ready
to move on to begin with. So coming back here,
I think is a non starter.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
Number two.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
Yeah, they'll be if he's acquitted. Yeah, they'll be teams
that absolutely. And I look at certain markets, like obviously
his home market of Edmonton. He'd be received there. Some
people are gonna have him convicted as guilty, would no
matter what happens, what happens, it could be the I
think there's probably members of the Ducal cross team that
are still considered guilty, even though the girl admitted she

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made it all up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Yeah, we talked about punt god Erizaea, who they found
wasn't even there when it happened. Ye. Look, and there's Look,
he had already lost his NFL job at that point.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
He's backs over, you know, like Carter can't go back
and make the money he was supposed to make the
last two years or whatever tainted forever. And look, I
don't know. I wasn't in that hotel room. I don't
know the circumstances of the case. I do know that
the girl did take money at one point to not
pursue it any further, which is a little bit of
a red flag for me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
A little bit. And I thought it went away for
a little while.

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
It did, and then they reopened it. So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Look, and if he's guilty, I hope he he gets
the punishment he deserves. And if he's not, I hope
he doesn't. But there'll be a job there. I mean,
I think certain markets make more sense than others because
I think the pr hit of it we overlooked more
than others.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
And I think in market like Evmonton to make sense.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
I think La where hockey players kind of blend in
because of all the movie stars and everything. I think
of markets, you know, where he would fit just fine.
I think Toronto would be fine to have him. I
look at a team like Montreal or Yeah, I think
that there'd be plenty of places for him to find
a job.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Well, if you're good and you win, people forget about
those things pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
They do in today's world for sure. I mean, look
at Joe Mixon, remember going into his draft.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I mean, oh that's on video.

Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
That was video a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Fast yeah, erem Hunt kicking, he said, video of him kicking, Yeah,
in the hotel.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
And who can forget Ray Rice?

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
I mean, when it comes to sports, the selective mortality
is a real thing or morality, I should.

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
Is a real thing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
I wouldn't take that scumbag until he's available and he
can help my team win a championship, you know what
I mean, he.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Is, and then we'll talk. You know, it's a little
different narrative.

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
Yeah, for sure, you do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
For me, that's that's unbelievable. Chase Failly sports fan.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
You take Sean what the Eagles did last year and
what's going on with them in free agency and the
draft coming up.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
I don't know much about the draft and free agency.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
I just haven't been able to follow it with dealing
with everything I dealt with and trying to keep just
my head in the NHL game. But as far as
last year went, you know, I'm a Penn stater in Saquon,
like I dreamed of that guy being an Eagle and
to come here and do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
What he did.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
And look, I was a very harsh critic of a
lot of elements of the Eagles organization when it was
the owner Jeff Lurry. Certainly, Howie Roseman's not like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
I thought how he was a weasel and was the
guy that walked up the ladder of success and just
stepped on every hand along the way. But there's no
denying the result of what they do. I think every
general manager, frankly should look at what they do in
this city and emulate it within the parameters of the
ability they can in their league, which is by using
every lever necessary to serve your fan base, conservetor your team,

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to make them as good as possible, as consistently as possible.
The guy has done a phenomenal job to me. He's
a Hall of Fame manager, however, has been already. H
You couple that with this story of the rise, the
fall under Chip Kellery Kelly and the re rise, and
it's in one hell of a story that needs to
be made into a movie. I just I just think

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the team has so much honesty and integrity with the
way they're run. And again I was a critic of
Jeff Leurry, but I think he's made some mistakes. He's
learned from him and the work he does in the
community for whether it's autism or whatever. Around here. They're

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a model franchise. They're they're under him, have figured out
what their DNA is, much like the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like
Pittsburgh Steels draft guys they don't fit. They go by
Steelier you don't fit, you don't fit our mold.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
The Eagles are the same way, a modern version of that.
And the success on the field and a lot of
what was built under Brian Dawkins or Jeremiah Trotter now
to guys more recentlyly Jason Kelsey, and the way these
guys conduct themselves on and off the field. How could

(01:05:18):
you not be proud of shit? I mean, we all
have so much eagle scar tissue from growing up, but
we are all healing with the way they are now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that I was just reading
I think stay Zac, I think I was bugging you
about it. This morning. I was happened to find an
old La Times article from twenty twenty two about the
end of the eighty four season when the Eagles were,
as far as we were concerned, for a few days,
they were going to Phoenix.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
They were going to Phoenix after the swamp Fox was
the coach, maryon camp.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Mary and Campbell, formerly of the wasn't he grit Splitz
with the Falcons in the late seventies, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Defensive coordinator, Yeah, yep, yeah, I mean yeah, And that
would have been almost good riddance at that point, right,
you go to the Super Bowl and Ay lose it
to the first wild Guard team.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Ever and who we beat that year?

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
Yeah, yeah, And it was just it just never seemed
like they could get it right. And Lurie as unsuspecting
of a owner as you make. You know, he's very anything.
He's kind of goofy, you know, like in a different
way than Josh Harris, but like clearly very intelligent and

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has empowered the right people in the right positions of authority.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
And have we finally and for all of you and Jason,
I want your opinion, have we finally rid ourselves of
the Buddy Ryan thoughts? For way too long he was, Oh,
we need to get back to buddy. Buddy Ryan never
teleg anything. He scored one touchdown in three playoff games.
He had an incredible defense, and his offensive system was randall,

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make five plays and will win. That's not gonna fly now.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
But I had guy who was a demagogue.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
We've finally gotten on board with this new Eagles way
and we can just forget that. Buddy Ryan's the most
overrated person in Phillips sports history.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
Not to mention it was a bad guy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
He was not a nice guy. He pitted the offense
against the defense. He did in Houston and he did
it in Arizona. Two.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
I mean he'll always be a saint to some of
the knuckle draggers, the seven hundred level loyalists, the old
school old guard. But yeah, he was not a winner.
I mean, Doug Peterson came in here. I thought Doug
Peterson was a boob.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
I did to you know, I completely agreed with was
it Mike Florio? I can't remember who said it was
the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Tire in history. I'm like, I'm with you all that. Yeah,
I mean he sounded like years later Pride. They played
for him.

Speaker 6 (01:07:46):
I think Sincian is a douche like. I still think that,
but he.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
This year because his record is just so. It's like Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
He gets everyone pulling in the right direction, and you're
exactly rights and leader of men. That's what a head
coach is. And I have friends that argue with me
all but he doesn't even call the plays.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
He can't do with that's your job to manage it all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Yes, thank you, And I'm not a Siriani cheerleader. But
they played for him.

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
I think to me he comes off disingenuous, kind of
phony even sometimes like placating the person, the fan base
and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
But why we'll wearing t shirts of other teams and
stuff like that. I works though with this basse.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
He works with the players.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
He's exactly what Jeffrey has wanted since Chip Kelly left,
and he's playing the part. He's not getting out of
line right now, and that's why they love him.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
Yep, players players man.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Doug was a little dumb towards I'm going to keep
my ocs in this and that. Jeffrey was like, yeah,
I'm not having this. I'm gonna go back and I
got to get somebody I can control a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Again, Well, Carson Wentz tankked that Peterson was four and
eleven and one in his last year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I mean, it was it's fine, it's time to move on.
It's okay. They don't. They don't sure, they don't mess around.
The Eagles don't move on from a coach who just
won a Super Bowl or quarterback. They just get decisive,
their decisive.

Speaker 6 (01:09:14):
The biggest dead cap in the history of the NFL
ones it was at the time, it was the biggest
dead cap, thirty four million.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
He turned it into a j Brown, he.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Turned it into Devonte Smith, and he just he made
so many moves with some of the capital he got.
He was just real.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
A lot of how these biggest and best decisions were
because of self inflicted wounds.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Yeah, that's exactly right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Justin Jefferson, they wouldn't have taken Davante Smith if they
didn't screw up the ragor pick, and you conceivably could
have had uh, you could have had Justin Jefferson and MICHAEH. Parsons.
Not to say they would have that's just all if
Ans and Butson Candy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
But he did a nice job recovering pretty quickly. Yeah,
that was that was a disastrous pick.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Riger over a guy who basically fourteen hundred yard his
rookie year. He's already they were already putting, you know,
shooting him up for a jacket in Canton. And two
years later they had a j Brown you ha, Devonte Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeah, and they picked pretty good.

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
Look at their dragon.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Twenty twenty three, they drafted Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steed,
Sidney Brown, Tanner McKees in that draft.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
I mean, look at the last four years are insane.
The Jordan Davis, cam.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
Jurgens, Kobe Dean, Karen Johnson, and even Grant kal Katara.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
The year before that fine with them.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
DeVante Smith Landon Dickerson Milton went, I mean this dude
is hit.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Yeah, I mean exciting weekend fellas.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
I mean, think about this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Twenty twenty four, the draft before last season, Quinna Mitchell
Cooper Desen, Will Shipley.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
I mean three of those guys were in pact. I
mean Shipley was hurt. But look, yeast a turnover in
the Redskins.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
Get you have to get two players out of a draft,
one that plays a little bit and one that plays
as a starter.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
I mean, look at you going back.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
I mean he drafted a guy in the seventh round
that when he first got to training camp didn't know
how to put the equipment on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
I know, and I get the whole project thing. I
don't think anybody saw my lot of figuring. Whatever he
figured out that fast. He figured it out that project stage.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Jeff Stalton helps, I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
But he's like one of the best left tackles in
the league now. He played rugby five years ago. Was
six years ago?

Speaker 6 (01:11:28):
Yeah, Strallian rules football, whatever the hell he's playing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Was that what he played?

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, and those guys historically haven't won. I don't know
if you remember a punter named Darren Bennett and then
Chargers were working him out and the GM was but
I think it might have been Bethrood at the time,
and he's like, I really don't want to go out
there and look, these guys never work out. Turns out
Bennett could play. He cracked it. And what I loved
about Darren Bennett was they had to stop him from
running down to tackle the guy on punt. They're like, dude,

(01:11:54):
we have.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
You gotta bound right.

Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
The kicker for the Bear was an Australian guy like
he's and he's tremendous. Actually last year is probably their
best player. They get they you know, you can turn
those guys into kickers or punters. And again, my allot
is one of the great stories, Yes, one of the Jason,
we've kept you so long today, you did an hour
and seven minutes with me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
We're already over now. We really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
But I know you said, I'm thinking of making you
like keeping you updated every week and then we'll do
this because this was.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Just so much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Man, I'd much rather talk to you than than these too.
So anytime you want to hop on.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Literally, I literally was going to say the same thing
like Mike Jason, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
It can be cathartic and therapeutic just when you're isolated,
not good for your mental health.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
But Bud, we're gonna believe me. I'm going to work
you anything we can do for you. Please, thank you,
and uh.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Jason, the next time you come on. I can't tell
you now because Michelle's gonna kill me because it's date night.
But I need dude, you got I need you to
ask Danny Breer a question if he remembers me, because
I firmly believe my interaction with him is what brought
him to the Philadelphia Flyers years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Yeah, it's always And I told you day to day
we're gonna revisit his contract for every show, and I've
always wondered if he remembered that day, So why don't
you wagte thirty seconds you'll be like asking Danny Briode
that question and let us know how that works out.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
I will be on the case seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Thank you for coming on. Man, we'll get more into
the guitars next time.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Yeah right, real quick, real quick. No one's gonna care
about me and you. How are your you mentioned your hands?
How are your fingertips?

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
The neuropathy that they're just not very coordinated. My tips
are like good, they're like Leather'll have the calist.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, want to hear it sometime, Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
I don't have those.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
You didn't you didn't ask to hear me. I've got
a Marshall two by twelve downstairs.

Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
We didn't even know you played guitar.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
I keep it to myself.

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
Maybe that's better off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yeah, if your music acumens anything like your sports acumen.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
It's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
It's bad. My recording and mixing talents are even worse.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
He's learning Yellow Submarine. That was the first guitar song
I ran and learned, Jesus.

Speaker 6 (01:14:32):
The first one was Iron Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Yeah, this show went off the rails an hour and
five and we're still thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Then we're gonna we did Jason, we appreciated Pale and uh,
you're gonna bring you back, probably more than you even
cared to know. But again, thanks to Jason Martitiz, Sean Locked,
and Michael Warren, this has been a Philly polsh brother.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
We appreciate it. God blessed. We'll talk to you soon,
see you guys, Thank you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Yeah,