February 15, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode Reggie has to eat crow as Kathia celebrates her Philadelphia Eagles' win in the SuperBowl. On the movie front, both talk about the importance and shortcomings of Captain America: Brave New World. Additionally, while they both loved the documentary Sly Lives, Kathia wasn't totally satisfied.
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Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cri (00:02):
I'm Reggie Ponder, The Real Critic,
and welcome to another editionof The Real Critic's Network
Podcast.
I'm here with my host, KatyaWoods, who is extremely happy,
and for those of you guys whoare listening and can't see, her
attire is specific.
We'll save that for a littlelater, but just know that she's
(00:25):
celebrating.
Welcome.
I'm doing fine.
I'm doing fine.
So I'm a jump right into one ofour segments.
The last segment is where we'rereally going to talk about my
predictions, but the firstsegment, our first segment is
what's on my mind.
So of course it has to be theSuperbowl because we talked
(00:46):
about it.
But the first part of what's onmy mind without getting into who
won and all that other type ofstuff because that's going to be
on our rant and rave section.
What's on my mind, and actuallyI'm going to let you talk about
this for me, is because youstarted in music, you covered
music, you still cover music,and what's really on my mind is
(01:10):
I need some help, Katya.
I really do.
And the help that I need, thisis no joke.
The help that I need is thevitriol that people are put
toward Kendrick's performance isepic in my, it's super, excuse
the pun, but I was reallytrying, it's super, and it's
(01:33):
coming from all segments whitefolks, black folks.
And I don't understand it.
I mean, I really don'tunderstand the hatred.
So I'm going to give my what'son my mind as a question to you
as a person who follows musicand have been interviewing a lot
of these people.
(01:53):
Maybe you can enlighten us as towhy people are saying it was the
worst.
Super Bowl halftime performanceever that it was lackluster that
it just wasn't good.
So help me out here
Kathia Woods (02:08):
lies Haters, you know what?
Here's my thing is we first ofall, there's a segment of the
population that only likes Blackculture when it is safe, when it
is like very cleaned up and it'svery appealing and digestible to
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white people.
I could not believe the amountof people that were like, Oh,
when Jennifer and Shakira andBeyonce, I was like, y'all were
on the internet complainingabout Jennifer Lopez and
Shakira.
shaking their booty saying thatwas inappropriate for young
girls.
You all had a problem withBeyonce, the way she was dressed
(02:51):
or when she came out withColdplay and Bruno Mars and
Chita Formation.
And she was in the inspiredMichael Jackson that it was.
woke.
But then today you're sayingthat those performances were
acceptable.
You're telling on yourself.
(03:12):
The thing is, they don't likewhen we don't dance to their
tune.
They don't like that.
They don't like that.
Kendrick said you hired KendrickLamar.
You're getting Kendrick.
You're not getting what you wantit to be.
And if you've been, for those ofus that have been lucky enough
to go to a Kendrick show, or yousaw his pop up event that was
(03:36):
televised, This is not asurprise.
Kendrick is very intentionalfrom his mixtape days to his
first major project, Mad Kid,Good City, to his last one.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (03:52):
So I want to jump in here though
because I really do buy what, Ibuy what you're saying here but
I'm still confused as to why onboth sides of the spectrum.
Because yeah, you, there's somewhite folks that just, in my.
In my social media, my, mynetwork of white friends are
like, nah, that was not good.
(04:13):
That was trash.
But also in my network, a numberof the black folks are like,
He's a fraud.
He's not as good as you think heis blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm just wondering, he hadmessages and just a lot of
things that, that he was tryingto say there, but it seemed to
have fallen flat for manypeople.
(04:34):
I'm not saying all the peoplebut many people helped me, help
me with that.
Kathia Woods (04:38):
I think it's just, again, we have an older
generation of people that stillwant hip hop from the nineties.
The nineties are long and gone.
You're not wearing the clothesfrom the nineties.
The music has evolved.
This is what we wanted.
We wanted the music to bemainstream.
We get mad when we have.
White rappers doing what we callappropriation and up there
(05:01):
shucking and jiving.
If it would have been Eminemdoing this, you would have had a
whole world of problems saying,Hey, Em, you're going too far.
But this has been the number oneproblem from older black folks,
from traditional hip hop heads.
Oh, we are tired of the trapmusic.
We're tired of the mumble rap.
We're tired of guys.
Not seizing the moment, right?
(05:22):
Not doing anything to push theculture forward.
Kendrick is that artist.
Kendrick is that artist that isa student of the past that knows
hip hop, understands when hecomes to New York, he don't talk
crazy about New York, that iscontinuing to push the culture
forward.
This is what we ask for, andthen we're mad when we get it.
(05:44):
Like, make it make sense.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Criti (05:46):
I really like that point that
you're making about who has donehis study, because a lot of
people, I had to learn who GilScott Heron was in college, and
a lot of people don't know thathis initial reference And the
beginning reference and theending reference were all from
Gil Scott is that Gil says therevolution will not be
(06:11):
televised, but a lot of peopledon't know.
And then at the end, it says,turn your TV off.
Yeah.
It.
It really did show that he's notjust out there saying what, I
guess, anything that he wants tosay, but he's also has studied
the word, so to speak.
(06:32):
And Gil Scott Heron was theword.
If you do nothing else I reallyencourage people.
To go and check out some of GilScott here and stuff because I'm
really happy that Kendrick didthat.
So yeah, I, I buy
Kathia Woods (06:43):
it.
It is astonishing that it's, andalso the other thing is.
We have obviously the MAGAcrowd, they don't like black,
they want black culture, notfrom black people, not blackity
black, right?
So, bunk them.
Then we have black people whoare in the culture, who have
been complaining that all we'vegotten is mind numbing music.
(07:09):
Trap music, just people talkingabout chains, turn up, drinking,
smoking, being disrespectful towomen they're complaining about.
I'm like Kendrick is the guy youhave a problem with?
Kendrick, are we serious rightnow?
Right?
And on top of that is If you goto a Kendrick show, right?
(07:31):
We know ticket prices being whatthey are.
There's so many white kids, andI love the parents that were
like, Hey, it wasn't for me, Ididn't get it, but my kids did.
They turned the camera on theirkids, on their whitey white
kids.
And their kids are rapping alongto everything people are like,
well, I'm like, humble, humble.
(07:52):
People don't know.
Humble.
Like, are you serious right now?
When I went to a Kendrick showon the last tour, he was on my
daughter and I, we were sittingin sections run by white people.
They're like, sit down, behumble.
They were right there with him.
You know what I mean?
And I think it's also, I keepsaying this.
(08:14):
That we get mad when duringtroubled times, artists are
tuned out and they're just like,well, my money's good.
Everything is good.
We keep asking where are theartists that are willing to talk
about what's going on?
Where are the artists that arewilling to tap in?
People had a problem withBeyonce and Lemonade.
Oh, it's too political.
(08:35):
Where the bops be?
Where the bops?
Then you have Kendrick wholiterally out of this beef with
Drake Leaned in and loved thathe just dropped the album GNX.
He didn't do any advertisement Iwas literally driving my
daughter to the airport when shecame to visit And I was like, Oh
my God, he dropped an album.
(08:56):
We immediately like we'refumbling in the car, listening
to it because he is now at thisechelon of artists where he
doesn't have to do the big whoopdee whoo whoop dee whoo.
He can just drop a project andwe all tune in because we want
to know what the next evolutionis.
And his shows are an experience.
Everything is very thought out.
(09:18):
Like I went to the J Cole show,right?
And 21 Savage was on tour withhim.
He was, that is boring to me.
21 Savage, no, no, no, no, no,no, no.
And very monotone and very justusing this much space, right?
When J Cole had a bigger stage.
I'm like, dude, you want tolisten to Kodak black for a
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whole hour?
Where his DJ goes, get it,black, get it black.
And he's up there doing whateverand barely rapping.
That is what y'all want.
I need us to really, we don'twant, we don't, here's the thing
about it is.
You can't complain and say youdon't want you want art you
don't and also here's the otherpart that I'm going to say your
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answer to it is we have asegment of our community black
people.
I'm talking to you be in yourfeelings.
You don't want your artists togrow.
You want the same meal you wantmac and cheese 7 days a week.
God forbid somebody should throwa lobster in the mac and cheese.
(10:24):
God forbid somebody said, We notdoing, we not doing mac and
cheese this Thanksgiving.
We're gonna do something else.
So that's really funny.
You all don't want your artiststo grow.
Are you the same person at 50that you were at 19?
I sincerely hope not.
And Kendrick is 30 plus yearsold.
He not going to talk abouthanging out, drinking and doing
(10:47):
that.
He's Married with kids.
The world has evolved.
And if you're not ready toevolve, just say that.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Criti (10:56):
I I love that.
So I'ma make the final commenton our rant and rage so we can
move to why people do tune infor us.
One of the reasons anyway, isfor us to talk about some
movies, but it's so funny.
I hate when you are talkingabout me because.
At the house, Donna be gettingmad, right?
Because she be like, you want tohave the same meal every
(11:18):
freaking night.
You don't want nothingdifferent.
You want the same thing.
Can't we like like spice it up,put something different on the
plate.
And I'll be like, no I like mychicken nuggets.
I could do that.
I could do that 24 seven.
I really love your analogybecause Donna will be like,
yeah, that's my husband rightthere.
(11:39):
If you give him the same thing,he'd be fine.
But when you try to switch,they'd be like, what's that?
What's that?
Why can't we have the samething?
So I hear you and in a way, Iactually sympathize with people
who like what they like, but I,I do sympathize with those
folks, but I don't criticize thefolks who do like something
(12:02):
different.
So I think that might be thedifference on me.
Hey, thanks so much forenlightening us.
on this because again, you docover music and you're hitting
the show.
So I'm
Kathia Woods (12:11):
going to tell you what, I am going to the Kendrick
show with my daughter, Kendrickand scissor in April here in
Atlanta.
And we will circle back at thedemographic that is at that
show, because that's the otherthing is white people don't
relate.
So we will circle back with somepictures.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Criti (12:31):
I love it.
I love it.
I really appreciate you, Katia,particularly in this area
because I know that you followthis.
All right.
So our next segment is our moviesegment and the first movie that
we're going to talk about, whichI'll kick it off because I'm
gonna let a lot on my ass.
Katya to kick off our secondmovie.
(12:53):
But the first movie that I wantto talk about is Captain
America, brave new world.
Now there are so many people whodon't want to participate, talk
about, be involved in the MCU.
I get it.
I do.
I get it.
(13:13):
You're like, nah, thosesuperhero movies are not for me.
However this is the one that youshould care about.
Firstly, it's coming out inBlack History Month, and you're
probably saying to me why doesthat matter?
Well, for a couple of reasons.
The first one is that this isthe first.
Fully developed film for the newCaptain America played by
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Anthony Mackie.
The Mackie is joined by CarlLumley, who plays Isaiah
Bradley, who's a black man whowas part of the experimental
program to create a new versionof Captain America in the 1940s.
Tuskegee, the real life Tuskegeeexperiments where African
American men were subjected tounethical medical treatments
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that had long lasting impactfrom a health perspective, but
also from a social and economicperspective as well.
And then the third one is JuliusOna, a black man gets to direct
a black man.
In the MCU.
So just from a historicalcultural perspective, you might
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want to just check this one out,see how he did.
So I'm going to leave it atthat.
Now I'll go into my movie stufffrom a movie perspective.
This is really about threethings in my opinion, and that
is redemption, revenge, andrenewal.
Redemption is for the presidentwho is being played by Harrison
Ford.
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He's trying very, very hard toget his image.
To change his image as partiallyfor the world, but mainly for
his daughter, because the way hewas acting as a general and as a
politician before he waspresident was not that great.
And so there's this new resourcein the world that he's trying to
(15:08):
make a treaty for, and he'shoping that.
He can help everybody say, look,we can share this resource, this
most valuable resource, asopposed to fight over it.
And he's hoping that he can makethat treaty happen.
So that's the redemption part.
The revenge is that SamuelStearns.
He has been, he was being usedby the president to help him get
(15:31):
the power and the prestige andto get where he is, and he's
kind of discarded.
He wants revenge, and he is aformidable, he, I he's coming
for you.
That's all I can say about that.
And then finally, there is thatrenewal, and that is the renewal
of this new Captain America.
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And with this, what we have iswe have Sam Wilson charting a
new path and saying, here is howCaptain, this is the new Captain
America.
And so all of those three thingshappen in this film.
And I think overall, they did anice job.
But here's my problem.
And when I say nice job.
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The Anthony Mackie ate it upfrom an acting perspective.
I think all the actors did well,including Giancarlo Esposito,
Shira, I'm forgetting Shira's,Shira Haas.
So I thought they all did a goodjob there.
I thought that the, it lookedgood on the screen, from the CGI
to the set design.
And I thought that the actionwas Marvel worthy.
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However, unfortunately, thewhole does not equal the sum of
the parts.
Each of these parts were fineindividually.
But this did not make a iconicmovie.
It just didn't do it.
And maybe the writers werehoping to come back later and
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really show the power of the newCaptain America, but they did
this Captain America adisservice, in my opinion.
This film should have been allabout, everything should have
been about how this should bethe Captain America, Because it
is the Captain America today,but this was just a setup movie.
It's a setup movie for somebigger and better things.
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They missed an opportunity andyou only get a one time to make
a first impression.
And I think that they lostsomething by making this a setup
movie, as opposed to makingthis.
A iconic movie and I put that onthe writers.
I really do put that on thewriters.
I, I think that the whole thingwas okay, but this did not blow
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me away.
And in fact, it wasn't brave.
It wasn't new.
And I, I didn't love this world.
That's what I have for you,Kathia.
Kathia Woods (17:54):
He wrote that in my review.
I feel like this is a bridgemovie.
This is a movie that is more orless taking Sam Wilson's Captain
America from the small screen tothe large screen.
Introducing Joaquin Torres asthe new Falcon and closing the
chapter on Isaiah's story andthen embodying the red.
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That's what I feel like.
And I felt like if they wantedto do that, they should have
done that in the TV series.
And then.
Given him a new thing, I thinkAnthony Mackey's in an
impossible position becausethey're going to be people that
are going to have a problem withthe fact that a because he is a
black man is stepping intoCaptain America, which has
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nothing to do with him.
That's a day problem.
Not a problem.
Then there are the people thatare forever not going to let him
that go forever going to comparehim to Chris Evans and not let
him be Chris Evans.
And want him to be Chris Evans.
Again, that's not an AnthonyMackie problem.
That's a storyline that thestudio decided to pursue.
(19:07):
And also Chris Evans was like, Idid everything I feel like I can
do with this role.
I want to be something else.
I don't want to play CaptainAmerica until I'm 60.
I'm in my 40s.
I want to be something else andthat's I can understand just
like Robert Downey Jr.
Was like, I don't want to beIron Man until I'm 60, right?
(19:28):
And even Anthony Mackie said,Hey, you got me for two, 10
years.
Then once I'm in my fifties,heading to 60, I'm out.
So there are some other thingsin there that don't control him.
I feel like we didn't get enoughwith Giancarlo Sposito as a bad
guy.
Cause he plays bad guys reallywell.
And I feel like I understandwhat the movie was doing, but
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why it was overexplaining itlost its way a little bit.
I don't feel as badly about thismovie as other people saying
that it was a waste of bravemen.
And we know that there's a groupof people that is more about
artsy fartsy movies that don'tlike the superhero movies and
every chance that they get willdump on it.
(20:09):
I don't think.
That it's that bad.
I do.
I agree with you.
There was some missedopportunities.
Why?
I think it is going to appeasemost of the MCU, but I think
there was a missed opportunity.
I gave it a 6 out of 10.
I don't think it is a 2.
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And there are some enjoyablemoments, there are some good
fight scenes.
I think the suit looks great.
I think Anthony Mackiedefinitely brings a different, I
think he's a more emotional.
Because Sam is more emotional,he's more human.
He doesn't have the serum, soyou don't have all that
emotional detachment.
And I think this more or lessbecause we're getting, from my
(20:53):
understanding, an Avengersmovie.
After this, right?
So, it's like the setup for himleading the new reassembled,
whatever version of theadventures that's gonna be.
But, yeah that's pretty much, Iget it.
It's like a, it's a nice steak,but it's not Wagyu beef.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel C (21:15):
Yeah, yeah,
Kathia Woods (21:15):
yeah.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cri (21:17):
And so if you're going to talk about
food, if it's a nice steak, anice steak for me is not all
that red that my guy with a topchef shelf likes all the time.
I'd be like, I don't want my,want to see all that blood and
red coming out of there.
That was not a good steak.
It was okay.
I mean, I'd eat it if I comeover your house, but, yeah.
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It wasn't quite well
Kathia Woods (21:40):
done, but it wasn't, it didn't have a touch
of pink.
It wasn't like rubber, like ashoe, but it wasn't properly
cooked either.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Criti (21:50):
I totally feel that.
I do want to say one more thingabout Anthony Mackie is that
what I liked is I liked hisability to show strength.
He shows some humor and heshowed leadership.
I thought that he shined fromeverything that they gave him to
do.
I thought he really did a goodjob.
My rating is very similar toyours.
(22:13):
My rating is on a four scale andI gave it a 2.
5.
And if we convert those, yoursis six out of 10, which is 60%.
And mine is two and a half outof four, which is 6.
25.
So we're in the same boat.
I'm saying.
You won't necessarily feelcheated, but you won't walk out
of there thinking that AnthonyMackie he's killing the Captain
(22:38):
America role.
That's that's what I think and Ithink that's due to The writing
not due to his effort.
I
Kathia Woods (22:48):
agree.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (22:48):
That's it.
That's it All right, so thatmeans we can move into our next
movie And one of the things foryou guys listening to us is that
when I first met Katya, shewould always be like, You gotta
watch this movie.
This is a film that you gottasee.
And I'm like, I can't watcheverything.
(23:09):
She be watch Firstly, shewatches too much.
Too many things and it'd be likemessing me up.
So she comes back and she says,Reggie, this next movie that
we're about to talk about, shesays, Reggie, you need to check
this one out.
And so that's why I'm going tolet her lead with, not let her
lead.
I'm going to ask her to leadwith this one so that I can
(23:30):
chime in here or there, but I,go ahead, Kasi.
Kathia Woods (23:33):
Sly lives.
And
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (23:35):
what's the name of it?
Kathia Woods (23:36):
Sly lives.
I gotta give you the full, this,that is a, can I just say it's a
doozy.
Fly lives, AKA the burden ofblack genius, which is the
follow up, which is quest loveif you love summer soul, he
talked about it, that he wasworking on.
stone.
It's another passion project ofhis where he talked about, he
(24:01):
has great admiration of slicedstone and he's quite a musical
nerd.
Like I am.
I'm a musical nerd too.
And I thought if anybody shouldtell it, it's going to be him
because he understands amusical.
He understands the black portionof it.
And can also dwell on theinfluence on Sly Stone.
(24:24):
Why I enjoyed it, I didn't enjoyit as much as Summer of Soul.
I really kept as I was watchingit, and maybe I'm out here by
myself, felt like this is aperfect example of he ran out of
time to give us the completedepth and soul, dare I say, of
Sly Stone.
(24:44):
I felt And that's not to saythat you shouldn't watch it and
it's not good, but because ofthe way he gave it to us, I felt
like I had a hunger for moreinformation.
I felt we probably in this casewould have been better served in
a five chapter, five episodelimited series.
(25:05):
Let me explain I feel like hisbeginnings, there is a reason I
believe Why he made theintegration choices that he made
because the family moved fromTexas to Northern California.
I don't know, had he livedsomewhere, had he stayed in
Texas, and that's not to saythat it wouldn't have happened,
(25:28):
that he wouldn't have been opento those different types of
sounds that told him when I'mfor my group, I'm going to have
my brother and my sister, butI'm also going to have these
white folks in it.
You got to remember this was inthe 60s, late 60s, where we were
coming out of segregation, andCalifornia was a different vibe
(25:48):
than down south.
Down south was very segregated.
Black and white people were notmixing like they were in
Northern California.
And also, I wanted to know Whatwe know where the black musical
sound came from, right?
His gospel roots.
I wanted to know more like howdid, because his brother and
sister were good musicians too.
(26:11):
How did that, like, where didthey get it from?
Mom, dad, that type of thing.
And mind you, I watched thedocumentary more than once.
I also wanted to know was itlike, what did he pick up from
his DJing days?
Because his early records thathe produced were more for white
artists.
Then for black artists.
So again, where, like, where'sthe tune and the missing thing
is we don't have slide.
(26:32):
The slides not doing interviews.
He's not talking to people.
So he had their line archives.
Then I also wanted to dwell inalso a little bit and choose
very specific on how he viewedwomen.
So you have women as a prominentpart in the documentary, right?
His relationship with CynthiaRobbins, which is also worst
romantic, but he put her in agroup because she's a dope
(26:52):
trumper player, right?
What did that discussion?
And then also the harmonies whenhim and his sister and his
brother would sing, right?
And how he put his sister in thefront, right?
If you look at that, the Edisonshow and how they went out and
they were really in there.
Also, what I have a question.
If you listen to higher right onthe album, it's very melodic.
(27:15):
When did he say, okay, Irecorded this way, but when we
do it live, we don't go in thegospel call and chant.
Hi, I want to take you higher.
You listen to it on the album.
I have so many questions that Ifeel like.
That's why I'm like, man, maybeif you did a series, we could
have had just a chapter on howhe pivoted from each album and
(27:38):
how he pivoted from what was inthe booth to the live.
But overall, I think what he diddo, which is happening right
here, right.
It made me want to dig a littlebit deeper and made me want to
rewatch the thing and made melook at other things to
understand because the gift thatis slide, I will say that is.
(28:00):
When you allow a musician and wewere not going to have it in
today's age, unless you arereally independent to be really
free.
This is what happens when youdon't give him the freaking
rules.
This is you allowed to cook.
Now, the sad part about it isonce you do start to cook with
the recipes, like we weretalking about, they don't want
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you to make a new mac andcheese.
They want you to keep becausethat's what's making money.
And I feel like because of thetimes we were in.
Sly was trapped by his ownsuccess and unfortunately he had
nobody to call.
He didn't have Michael JacksonPrince to call.
So he turned to drugs andalcohol to cope.
(28:42):
So that is my 5 cent reviewhere.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cri (28:45):
All right.
Firstly I am so happy, as usual,when you tell me that there's
something that I need to watch,because this I disagree with you
like 100%.
This was the documentary.
They did this doc.
This was, this is probably, Iknow you watch more
documentaries than me, missDocumentary watcher, but this
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was the documentary because itdid a couple of things that I've
been wanting documentaries to doabout artists.
It did not hold back about hisfoibles, his, the things that
happened to him, which will gonameless, where they'll be
talking about how, yeah, she wasa great artist, but she had
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these babies at a young age andwe don't know nothing about what
happened back then.
It just, they just gloss overit.
Yeah, they did this, but theyhad some drugs, but we won't
even talk about that orwhatever.
And we just we gloss over it orjust, or ignore it all together.
This didn't ignore it.
Any of that stuff.
If you I can understand youwanting more saying that this
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didn't do what it was supposedto do.
This did exactly what it wassupposed to do.
The first thing it did wasremind the world that there was
a and it still is a black geniusthat came through that.
Most people are not talkingabout today and it doesn't make
any sense.
This guy was a genius.
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Number two, it showed his impacton not only just being a genius,
but his impact on all the musicthat has come afterwards.
Including the music that we'relistening to today.
And then it showed the downfallof them.
And it asked a question, whichcan be a different documentary
(30:37):
or a different thing, but it didask the question, what is the
price of genius?
What is the price of blackgenius?
And I just think that the way inwhich this was put together was
genius.
I forgot.
I just forgot.
Not that I didn't know.
But I forgot about these songsthat I love from Sly, and there
(30:59):
were so many that I was like,oh, yeah, that one, okay, I know
you listening, y'all listeningto us, so I'm gonna name a few
of them.
First and foremost, you guysgonna be like Family Affair,
yep.
Family Affair don't sound, ifyou listen to the, look at the
lyrics and they did it, it's notlike it was all kumbaya.
A family affair was one fun inthe summertime cup.
(31:24):
Come on, hot fun in thesummertime.
That was like, like it.
It was all of that.
But then you think that can't besurpassed, but then you get
everyday people.
Really?
There were so many songs as Iwas listening to them go through
it.
And that's how I come.
(31:45):
I love what Questlove did here.
He made sure that we knew thatone way to the slide list.
It's through the music.
The other way to slide Liz isbecause the world didn't end up
killing him.
He didn't, he ended, he didn'tend up like the princes and
(32:05):
Michael Jackson's of the world.
And he's still here.
I really, really liked thisdocumentary.
Kathia Woods (32:12):
I do.
I don't get me wrong.
I just want to be clear.
I didn't hate it.
I just wanted us to dwell alittle bit deeper because to me,
to show you how I, in myopinion, I think Some of his B
cuts are stronger than the hits.
If you really listen to hismusic.
If you really take the time tolisten.
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That's why I said it.
The fact a lot of people onlyknow the version of Higher.
It's the dun, dun.
They don't know that the songwas not like that.
I want to know, and again, Ihope, I pray, before he passes.
That we can have thatconversation.
And be like, what made you sayokay, in the studio, this was
(32:53):
not before the moment where youjust looking at into the crowd
was the spirit taking you over.
Did you say today?
I'm going to.
I think that is that doesn'thappen.
I think Prince gave us a littlebit of that.
Do you know what I mean?
Where he took his because and hetook his songs and he remixed
them just to keep it interestingfor him as an artist.
(33:13):
But you're right.
We wouldn't have.
Yeah.
Have the songs we love.
We wouldn't have the sound of AChild Called Quest.
We wouldn't have the songs ofDale of Soul because Prince Paul
went all through Sly Stone'scatalog.
We wouldn't have Mama said,knock you out.
That comes from sign a family.
We
Reggie Ponder, The Reel C (33:28):
would not have George Clinton.
We wouldn't have we wouldn'thave Prince.
We wouldn't have
Kathia Woods (33:35):
Michael Jackson.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cr (33:37):
When you look at how he dressed, what
he did, you could tell that hisinfluence just permeated the
whole music industry.
When you look at Prince and youlook at Sly Stone, you'd be
like, Oh,
Kathia Woods (33:54):
you see where it came from.
And you know what?
If you hear Prince talking aboutit, it's Sly Stone and Stevie
Wonder.
And also if you listen to LennyKravitz, it's Sly Stone's
influence.
And also I'm like, like yousaid, we wouldn't have LTD.
We wouldn't have the early, ifyou listen to early Earth, wind
and fire.
(34:14):
Mighty, mighty love.
That is Sly Stone influence.
We wouldn't have the Barcade.
We wouldn't have all the Ohioplayers.
None of that funk groove that wenow know as a funk era came out
of Sly Stone.
And the other thing is thatkills me.
The genius! It's just what isgoing on in the brain that he
(34:37):
gave you such funky, funkythings and then he also gave you
the melodies, the harmonies,because if you listen to the
songs, it's him singing lead,it's Cynthia singing lead.
It's Freddie and it's Larrysingly it's for people saying
you can't even in today's thatyou can't even get them brothers
(34:59):
to put their egos aside to for asingle because they're like, I
only got 20 seconds.
They, and also the fact that.
You know how we have groupsbreak up and everybody be
talking their ish, Larry, tothis day, Larry Graham wouldn't
be, I think Larry Graham wouldhave had a career would have
taken him a little longer, buthe wouldn't be the Larry Graham
(35:21):
that we love if it wasn't forsliced stone and the love that
they have for this man with allthe mistakes that he made and
all of his fallacies.
Is a genuine love because theyunderstand that he was a victim
of his own success and I'm not.
First of all, I'm going to bevery clear.
I'm not excusing him not being agood father, him abandoning
(35:43):
things due to his, but Iunderstand, but I also
understand because we still arehaving a conversation.
Reggie, when black artists thatdon't want to do the dance and
don't want to stay in the box.
What is Michael Jackson PrincePrince all those years?
He was fighting.
That's what I'm saying.
And yeah, and even KendrickKendrick, Kendrick is breaking
(36:05):
away from TDE because he's like,I don't I'm not that dude
anymore.
I want to do different things.
That's sad part is.
That too often those artistsdon't have the courage or don't
have the support to speak outwithout, being labeled
troublesome, which is what slidewas starting to be labeled and
he turned to drugs and alcohol.
(36:27):
And, once you go down that roadand it gets a hold of you it's a
never ending door.
And also the people, he's thepeople that were hanging around
him.
Didn't give a damn about him.
But the point I'm saying,
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (36:38):
George says.
He said that they said, soGeorge, what were y'all doing?
He said we were tracing, chasingthe juror.
So he hanging out with Clintonand both of them are chasing it.
I would just want to add though,is that it is no surprise to me
that the Funkadelics, thatBootsy, that George Clinton, it
(37:00):
is no surprise.
And George said in this piece,it's no surprise.
They were like, yeah, we want todo something like that.
The fact, I, I don't remember,and I went to the spaceship
tour.
I don't remember seeing slotthere, but I bet you he was
there.
I just don't remember thatbecause I was just so in love
(37:22):
with George Clinton and now, butthe fact that he was on tour
with them to come on, but theywere chasing the drug.
They were absolutely.
You
Kathia Woods (37:31):
know what the Reggie, here's the best part
because we're, I say this, wewere born musically at the most
amazing time.
I don't care.
You can argue with me to thecows come home.
The seventies, in my opinion,was the best time for black
music because we took theshackles off and say, we are no
(37:52):
longer conforming to what ispleasing to white people.
We going to do us.
We going to grow our hair out.
We going to dress how we want todress.
We don't get down and get funky.
If you get it, you get it.
If you don't, you don't.
And hence to this day, we canstill listen to that music.
So to me, I'm always like, wewere lucky enough that we were
(38:13):
young enough to see it.
We might not have gotteneverything, but we experienced
it.
And then as adults, we can goback and we can say our ears.
When we hear the remixes, we go,Oh, I know where that comes
from.
But this generation today, likeit's like, listen, you know, the
conversations when people arelike Beyonce wouldn't would beat
(38:36):
Michael Jackson and I loveBeyonce or that Kevin Hart is
bigger than Eddie Murphy.
Are you dumb?
But here, you now have thegeneration, our kids who never,
you know, cause I is.
Out here doing sly.
They now get to see, oh, Iunderstand that when my parents
were talking about what mygrandparents are talking about,
(38:57):
I understand when they play itat the barbecue.
Okay.
I see how that man dressed.
Like he, his swag, like slyswag.
Come on now.
It, it was, he was just,remember he got married at the
garden?
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (39:11):
It was second to none.
I, so we gotta wrap this sec,this part of our segment up.
So I'm gonna tell you.
I disagree with Kassia.
She's Kathia she wanted it to dothis and do that.
Kathia Woods (39:24):
I want it more.
I'm
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (39:25):
giving this one is four reels out of my
four reels for me.
I love this one.
I hope you go out and check itout.
It is so good and you will wantmore.
I'll agree.
You'll want more.
They, they did a really good jobwith this one.
I think Questlove, you my guy,you my guy.
What are you saying about thisone, Kathia?
Kathia Woods (39:48):
I give it a nine because I want it more, but then
again, I'm also a music nerdbecause I, as afterwards, I
didn't, as I was writing myreview, I put the headphones on
and I went through thediscography.
Cause like I said, you could domusic class on the first three
albums and don't dismiss thefirst one because it wasn't a
commercial success commercialcommercial good music is good
(40:09):
music.
And there is some stuff on therethat is, and like I said, as an
artist is really, really goodwhen the B cuts.
The in between, not filter musicis, is talking to you and I hope
this generation, especially aswe're celebrating Black History
Month, because we stillcelebrate Black History Month
over here, we celebrated 365,but understand that American
(40:35):
culture is black culture, blackculture is American culture, and
we, if it wasn't for us, blackand brown people, we would have
Some very stale music.
So I hope it inspires kids andlets them know, Hey, it's okay
to be different.
It's okay to lean in to, to, toflying above the clouds.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (40:56):
So I really do want to end this
segment, but I can't because itwould be sacrilegious to say our
segment is over.
I gave it a four out of four.
10.
And then she says something.
She said that she went throughthe discography.
(41:17):
So, Kathia, there are two songsthat people may not have played
that you would want to tellpeople to play.
To go and listen to we need thatrecommendation.
I need that recommendationbecause I bet you it's going to
be some song that I didn't hear.
I was over there listening toStan and I'm listening to Ha Ha
(41:38):
Hee Hee.
But there's something else inthat discography that you're
about to tell us that we shouldgo listen to.
What are the two songs?
Kathia Woods (41:46):
Well, okay, I encourage you to go to and and
listen to higher On the album,you're gonna be like it's just
cannot be The same song becauseit is it's on their second album
dance to the music.
It's okay It's great.
You know what?
(42:07):
I mean?
It is absolutely Absolutelygreat And i'm just like I forgot
because you know i'm so used toUs hearing apple music is is is
being interesting But I do thinkand I absolutely encourage you
to Listen to the first project,you know what I mean?
(42:28):
Which is sly and the family'sdoing a whole new thing.
And I would have you listen toif this room could talk,
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (42:36):
If this room could talk.
I, I haven't heard this one, soI'm gonna listen to it.
I'll come back next week.
And tell you that I listened toit.
If this room could talk.
Kathia Woods (42:46):
Yes, because again, I'm just saying what is
going what was going on in hishead that went from which I
believe is from the higherspirit.
You're not that gifted to hissheet.
I just feel like.
You know how we always say somepeople are talented?
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cr (43:07):
Yes.
Kathia Woods (43:08):
But some people just get a little extra in the
talent line.
Slice stone got a Li way morethan a little extra you and
something about him.
When everybody was on the onesand twos, he was on the ones and
twos out there above the clouds.
And I think that is.
That's something to be studiedand absolutely leaned into.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (43:31):
So I was going to say, I know this
is what we should do, but I'mpositive.
You probably already did it.
I was like, we should just haveyou tell quest a letter, come on
our show.
And we just chit chat with questlove.
But
Kathia Woods (43:41):
to me, what I love about quest is this is how, you
know, when somebody loves music,right?
I love that he's the one doingit because he's literally doing
the expression digging in thecrate and he's exposing a
younger generation at a timewhen our history is being
erased, where we're being toldthat we made no contributions.
(44:04):
Voila, one man, one group gaveus so many different leaves.
And I think that's important.
It's also to remind ourselveswho are older to be like, yo.
Yeah, that, that is part of ourhistory.
That is part of why we play.
These tracks at the barbecue,you in the car, you could be, or
(44:26):
you could watch a movie, right?
And these songs come on and yourhead is like, boom, boom.
Next thing you know, your lipsare moving, you know what I
mean?
And it's just, it's a feel goodthing.
That's what I think Quest doesmore than anything is he
heightens your curiosity.
And also he has a difficultconversation, not like TMZ
light, but he is like breakingit down for us.
(44:48):
This is special.
And I'm so glad that we'retalking about it.
You can tell I really didn'tlike this movie.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cr (44:54):
That is so funny.
All right.
All right.
Let's move to our last segmentand we'll try to keep it tight
for my sake because it is ourrant and rave segment.
And I think it really is my eatand crow segment.
So, last episode, I gave out allof the reasons why that I knew
(45:20):
for a fact that the Chiefs wouldwin the Super Bowl.
And I gave out reasons that Iknew for a fact why.
The Philadelphia Eagles wouldn'tlose it.
So they weren't going to, theyweren't only going to get beat.
They were also going to hand itover.
(45:41):
I was wrong.
And Katya cause you can't seeher has on a big old black
Eagles hat, a NFL Eagles shirt.
Number one.
I wonder who that is.
And I don't have too much to sayother than I was wrong and I'm
(46:02):
just going to relinquish thefloor.
To Katya.
Cause my team did not play well.
Firstly, they didn't play well.
And then they just got stomped.
I'm talking about they gotstumped on defense.
They got stumped on offense.
This was not a good Superbowlfor me.
I can't, I can't you guys goahead, Katya.
(46:30):
Oh man.
I have a feeling that you'regoing to fly from Atlanta to the
Superbowl party and be on one ofthose light posts.
So no, no,
Kathia Woods (46:39):
never that, but I had to do it because Reggie, my
Midwest brother, your team got,not only did we win, your team
got embarrassed.
They got spanked.
My team held your team.
As my guy said on TV, it was agood old fashioned butt
whipping.
(46:59):
Your team did so bad that webrought in our backup
quarterback to have snaps causewe knew it was a wraps.
Them 20 points was with thesecond team on the field.
Coach turned around and said,everybody can get some at the
Superbowl.
We was one step away fromputting QB number three in there
(47:19):
to take a snap.
That's how bad the chief PatrickMahone's was running like he was
running.
He was black on Sunday becausehe was running Frankie was
right.
He was running from my defenselike a black man from the
police.
Like he could not catch a break.
I mean, they had hands on him.
Everywhere.
(47:40):
My man is going to need a soak,an ice bath, and he's going to
need to hide out in Cancunbecause that's how bad it was.
Like, and but, and he gaveCooper Dejean a wonderful
birthday present.
Cooper Dejean, shout out to you.
Number 22, he got a pick and ranin for a touchdown on his
(48:02):
birthday.
Thank you, Patrick Mahomes.
Then, they thought becauseSaquon was not rushing up and
down the field, Saquon wasblocking, Saquon was keeping
everybody level headed, right?
Then my guy, Jay Hertz.
Can we talk about Jay Hertz?
Put some message out on QBnumber one.
(48:24):
Talk to us nice.
When he threw that, I also lovedit.
Nixie Ronnie was like, you knowwhat?
We not going to play and say,put the nail in the coffin.
He threw that beautiful pass toDevante Smith.
Oh my God.
You could just hear the aircoming out of all the cases.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (48:43):
It
Kathia Woods (48:45):
was just like, it was a wraps.
My man stood in the pocketLotus.
He didn't even like.
He knew it was going to be atouchdown.
The whole squad looked and said,Oh yeah, that, that, that hurts.
I feel bad for them.
Like, look, Oh, did you see yourchiefs on the sideline?
They looked deflated.
Patrick,
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (49:05):
my own only had two interceptions.
Yo guy had one.
Patrick Mahomes had 257 yards.
Your guy only had 227.
Kathia Woods (49:18):
He did not
Reggie Ponder, The Ree (49:19):
outplay, he did not outplay my guy.
It's, it's, oh my goodness.
Kathia Woods (49:23):
You know why he only had as many yards as he
did?
Because my defense kept scoring.
My defense was all over him.
And Harrison Buckner's uniformwas so clean, he managed to just
take it off, fold it, and put itback in the closet.
He was only on the field forkickoffs.
He didn't kick one field goal.
My man, I mean, listen, heneeded more than Jesus.
(49:46):
He, that faith he needed to callJesus that day.
Cause Jesus said not today, nottoday.
And I do think there were acouple of guys on the chiefs
that cried.
I mean, Patrick Mahone's lookedlike, I wanted to say, sir, do
you even know where you are?
We're in New Orleans and it'sthe Superbowl.
And it's been lights out.
I'm so happy for thisPhiladelphia Eagle squad because
(50:07):
nobody gave us a chance.
I'm so happy for Jalen Hurts,who just let his play do the
talking.
I'm so happy he's up and down myTV on every show, that he's
hanging out with Mickey, thathe's in the parade today.
Be prepared.
I'm so I so love the Jordan adThey're opening up the first
Jordan store.
Guess where in philadelphia andguess what the banner was.
(50:30):
Oh my god.
Jay hurts outside the store SoI'm just saying, when you talk
about my QB, do not mention yourQB in there in Chicago.
Don't mention that man overthere in Buffalo.
Don't mention the guy infreaking Detroit.
Don't mention the guy inBaltimore because guess what?
My guy, Jay Hertz has that theydon't have.
(50:52):
They have a win against, he hasa win against Patrick Mahone's.
He has an MVP trophy and he hasa Superbowl trophy.
We are not the same.
We went over here, but I lovethat y'all got to eat crow and
you really got to watch my manup and down on your TV, having
the time of his life.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cri (51:13):
All right, everybody.
For some reason I hear a bell.
It seems like our show's over.
It's time to close it up.
I
Kathia Woods (51:20):
got, listen, next time I see you, I got a shirt
for you.
You, we have room for you in thefan club because Chicago is
going to be a minute beforey'all are good again.
Good people, good football fans,but it's going to be a minute.
Y'all going to have to suffer alittle bit more.
I'm sorry.
You are.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (51:42):
We used to like the Eagles when,
what was the black quarterback'sname who was from Chicago?
Hmm.
Did y'all have one?
Y'all know McNabb?
Yeah! Oh, McNabb!
Kathia Woods (51:54):
Steve McNabb, he's team Eagles.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (51:57):
McNabb, yes, yes, yes.
Alright, well, I am going tojust say this and get to our
closing.
Fly Eagles, fly.
Fly Eagles, fly.
Whatever.
All right.
That's our show you guys.
Hopefully we're done talkingabout football for awhile.
So that will be good becauseChicago is not doing anything
(52:21):
over here.
So it'll be great to stoptalking football for a minute.
This is the Real CriticsNetwork.
You got two critics, twoopinions on one mission where
dialogue, it engages, educates,entertains, and occasionally
escalates.
As you can see in our priordiscussion, I'm Reggie Ponder,
(52:42):
the Real Critic.
You can find me at the RealCritic on Twitter, Instagram,
YouTube.
And I even signed up for thatnew one that Kathia is on.
Kathia, where can we find you?
Kathia Woods (52:52):
Blue sky.
You can find me everywhere.
Kathia underscore woods.
I'm the same in everything.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel C (53:00):
Well, that's it.
See you guys next time.
I'm Reggie Ponder, The Real Critic,
and welcome to another editionof The Real Critic's Network
Podcast.
I'm here with my host, KatyaWoods, who is extremely happy,
and for those of you guys whoare listening and can't see, her
attire is specific.
We'll save that for a littlelater, but just know that she's
(00:25):
celebrating.
Welcome.
I'm doing fine.
I'm doing fine.
So I'm a jump right into one ofour segments.
The last segment is where we'rereally going to talk about my
predictions, but the firstsegment, our first segment is
what's on my mind.
So of course it has to be theSuperbowl because we talked
(00:46):
about it.
But the first part of what's onmy mind without getting into who
won and all that other type ofstuff because that's going to be
on our rant and rave section.
What's on my mind, and actuallyI'm going to let you talk about
this for me, is because youstarted in music, you covered
music, you still cover music,and what's really on my mind is
(01:10):
I need some help, Katya.
I really do.
And the help that I need, thisis no joke.
The help that I need is thevitriol that people are put
toward Kendrick's performance isepic in my, it's super, excuse
the pun, but I was reallytrying, it's super, and it's
(01:33):
coming from all segments whitefolks, black folks.
And I don't understand it.
I mean, I really don'tunderstand the hatred.
So I'm going to give my what'son my mind as a question to you
as a person who follows musicand have been interviewing a lot
of these people.
(01:53):
Maybe you can enlighten us as towhy people are saying it was the
worst.
Super Bowl halftime performanceever that it was lackluster that
it just wasn't good.
So help me out here
Kathia Woods (02:08):
lies Haters, you know what?
Here's my thing is we first ofall, there's a segment of the
population that only likes Blackculture when it is safe, when it
is like very cleaned up and it'svery appealing and digestible to
(02:29):
white people.
I could not believe the amountof people that were like, Oh,
when Jennifer and Shakira andBeyonce, I was like, y'all were
on the internet complainingabout Jennifer Lopez and
Shakira.
shaking their booty saying thatwas inappropriate for young
girls.
You all had a problem withBeyonce, the way she was dressed
(02:51):
or when she came out withColdplay and Bruno Mars and
Chita Formation.
And she was in the inspiredMichael Jackson that it was.
woke.
But then today you're sayingthat those performances were
acceptable.
You're telling on yourself.
(03:12):
The thing is, they don't likewhen we don't dance to their
tune.
They don't like that.
They don't like that.
Kendrick said you hired KendrickLamar.
You're getting Kendrick.
You're not getting what you wantit to be.
And if you've been, for those ofus that have been lucky enough
to go to a Kendrick show, or yousaw his pop up event that was
(03:36):
televised, This is not asurprise.
Kendrick is very intentionalfrom his mixtape days to his
first major project, Mad Kid,Good City, to his last one.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (03:52):
So I want to jump in here though
because I really do buy what, Ibuy what you're saying here but
I'm still confused as to why onboth sides of the spectrum.
Because yeah, you, there's somewhite folks that just, in my.
In my social media, my, mynetwork of white friends are
like, nah, that was not good.
(04:13):
That was trash.
But also in my network, a numberof the black folks are like,
He's a fraud.
He's not as good as you think heis blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm just wondering, he hadmessages and just a lot of
things that, that he was tryingto say there, but it seemed to
have fallen flat for manypeople.
(04:34):
I'm not saying all the peoplebut many people helped me, help
me with that.
Kathia Woods (04:38):
I think it's just, again, we have an older
generation of people that stillwant hip hop from the nineties.
The nineties are long and gone.
You're not wearing the clothesfrom the nineties.
The music has evolved.
This is what we wanted.
We wanted the music to bemainstream.
We get mad when we have.
White rappers doing what we callappropriation and up there
(05:01):
shucking and jiving.
If it would have been Eminemdoing this, you would have had a
whole world of problems saying,Hey, Em, you're going too far.
But this has been the number oneproblem from older black folks,
from traditional hip hop heads.
Oh, we are tired of the trapmusic.
We're tired of the mumble rap.
We're tired of guys.
Not seizing the moment, right?
(05:22):
Not doing anything to push theculture forward.
Kendrick is that artist.
Kendrick is that artist that isa student of the past that knows
hip hop, understands when hecomes to New York, he don't talk
crazy about New York, that iscontinuing to push the culture
forward.
This is what we ask for, andthen we're mad when we get it.
(05:44):
Like, make it make sense.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Criti (05:46):
I really like that point that
you're making about who has donehis study, because a lot of
people, I had to learn who GilScott Heron was in college, and
a lot of people don't know thathis initial reference And the
beginning reference and theending reference were all from
Gil Scott is that Gil says therevolution will not be
(06:11):
televised, but a lot of peopledon't know.
And then at the end, it says,turn your TV off.
Yeah.
It.
It really did show that he's notjust out there saying what, I
guess, anything that he wants tosay, but he's also has studied
the word, so to speak.
(06:32):
And Gil Scott Heron was theword.
If you do nothing else I reallyencourage people.
To go and check out some of GilScott here and stuff because I'm
really happy that Kendrick didthat.
So yeah, I, I buy
Kathia Woods (06:43):
it.
It is astonishing that it's, andalso the other thing is.
We have obviously the MAGAcrowd, they don't like black,
they want black culture, notfrom black people, not blackity
black, right?
So, bunk them.
Then we have black people whoare in the culture, who have
been complaining that all we'vegotten is mind numbing music.
(07:09):
Trap music, just people talkingabout chains, turn up, drinking,
smoking, being disrespectful towomen they're complaining about.
I'm like Kendrick is the guy youhave a problem with?
Kendrick, are we serious rightnow?
Right?
And on top of that is If you goto a Kendrick show, right?
(07:31):
We know ticket prices being whatthey are.
There's so many white kids, andI love the parents that were
like, Hey, it wasn't for me, Ididn't get it, but my kids did.
They turned the camera on theirkids, on their whitey white
kids.
And their kids are rapping alongto everything people are like,
well, I'm like, humble, humble.
(07:52):
People don't know.
Humble.
Like, are you serious right now?
When I went to a Kendrick showon the last tour, he was on my
daughter and I, we were sittingin sections run by white people.
They're like, sit down, behumble.
They were right there with him.
You know what I mean?
And I think it's also, I keepsaying this.
(08:14):
That we get mad when duringtroubled times, artists are
tuned out and they're just like,well, my money's good.
Everything is good.
We keep asking where are theartists that are willing to talk
about what's going on?
Where are the artists that arewilling to tap in?
People had a problem withBeyonce and Lemonade.
Oh, it's too political.
(08:35):
Where the bops be?
Where the bops?
Then you have Kendrick wholiterally out of this beef with
Drake Leaned in and loved thathe just dropped the album GNX.
He didn't do any advertisement Iwas literally driving my
daughter to the airport when shecame to visit And I was like, Oh
my God, he dropped an album.
(08:56):
We immediately like we'refumbling in the car, listening
to it because he is now at thisechelon of artists where he
doesn't have to do the big whoopdee whoo whoop dee whoo.
He can just drop a project andwe all tune in because we want
to know what the next evolutionis.
And his shows are an experience.
Everything is very thought out.
(09:18):
Like I went to the J Cole show,right?
And 21 Savage was on tour withhim.
He was, that is boring to me.
21 Savage, no, no, no, no, no,no, no.
And very monotone and very justusing this much space, right?
When J Cole had a bigger stage.
I'm like, dude, you want tolisten to Kodak black for a
(09:41):
whole hour?
Where his DJ goes, get it,black, get it black.
And he's up there doing whateverand barely rapping.
That is what y'all want.
I need us to really, we don'twant, we don't, here's the thing
about it is.
You can't complain and say youdon't want you want art you
don't and also here's the otherpart that I'm going to say your
(10:02):
answer to it is we have asegment of our community black
people.
I'm talking to you be in yourfeelings.
You don't want your artists togrow.
You want the same meal you wantmac and cheese 7 days a week.
God forbid somebody should throwa lobster in the mac and cheese.
(10:24):
God forbid somebody said, We notdoing, we not doing mac and
cheese this Thanksgiving.
We're gonna do something else.
So that's really funny.
You all don't want your artiststo grow.
Are you the same person at 50that you were at 19?
I sincerely hope not.
And Kendrick is 30 plus yearsold.
He not going to talk abouthanging out, drinking and doing
(10:47):
that.
He's Married with kids.
The world has evolved.
And if you're not ready toevolve, just say that.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Criti (10:56):
I I love that.
So I'ma make the final commenton our rant and rage so we can
move to why people do tune infor us.
One of the reasons anyway, isfor us to talk about some
movies, but it's so funny.
I hate when you are talkingabout me because.
At the house, Donna be gettingmad, right?
Because she be like, you want tohave the same meal every
(11:18):
freaking night.
You don't want nothingdifferent.
You want the same thing.
Can't we like like spice it up,put something different on the
plate.
And I'll be like, no I like mychicken nuggets.
I could do that.
I could do that 24 seven.
I really love your analogybecause Donna will be like,
yeah, that's my husband rightthere.
(11:39):
If you give him the same thing,he'd be fine.
But when you try to switch,they'd be like, what's that?
What's that?
Why can't we have the samething?
So I hear you and in a way, Iactually sympathize with people
who like what they like, but I,I do sympathize with those
folks, but I don't criticize thefolks who do like something
(12:02):
different.
So I think that might be thedifference on me.
Hey, thanks so much forenlightening us.
on this because again, you docover music and you're hitting
the show.
So I'm
Kathia Woods (12:11):
going to tell you what, I am going to the Kendrick
show with my daughter, Kendrickand scissor in April here in
Atlanta.
And we will circle back at thedemographic that is at that
show, because that's the otherthing is white people don't
relate.
So we will circle back with somepictures.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Criti (12:31):
I love it.
I love it.
I really appreciate you, Katia,particularly in this area
because I know that you followthis.
All right.
So our next segment is our moviesegment and the first movie that
we're going to talk about, whichI'll kick it off because I'm
gonna let a lot on my ass.
Katya to kick off our secondmovie.
(12:53):
But the first movie that I wantto talk about is Captain
America, brave new world.
Now there are so many people whodon't want to participate, talk
about, be involved in the MCU.
I get it.
I do.
I get it.
(13:13):
You're like, nah, thosesuperhero movies are not for me.
However this is the one that youshould care about.
Firstly, it's coming out inBlack History Month, and you're
probably saying to me why doesthat matter?
Well, for a couple of reasons.
The first one is that this isthe first.
Fully developed film for the newCaptain America played by
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Anthony Mackie.
The Mackie is joined by CarlLumley, who plays Isaiah
Bradley, who's a black man whowas part of the experimental
program to create a new versionof Captain America in the 1940s.
Tuskegee, the real life Tuskegeeexperiments where African
American men were subjected tounethical medical treatments
(14:01):
that had long lasting impactfrom a health perspective, but
also from a social and economicperspective as well.
And then the third one is JuliusOna, a black man gets to direct
a black man.
In the MCU.
So just from a historicalcultural perspective, you might
(14:24):
want to just check this one out,see how he did.
So I'm going to leave it atthat.
Now I'll go into my movie stufffrom a movie perspective.
This is really about threethings in my opinion, and that
is redemption, revenge, andrenewal.
Redemption is for the presidentwho is being played by Harrison
Ford.
(14:45):
He's trying very, very hard toget his image.
To change his image as partiallyfor the world, but mainly for
his daughter, because the way hewas acting as a general and as a
politician before he waspresident was not that great.
And so there's this new resourcein the world that he's trying to
(15:08):
make a treaty for, and he'shoping that.
He can help everybody say, look,we can share this resource, this
most valuable resource, asopposed to fight over it.
And he's hoping that he can makethat treaty happen.
So that's the redemption part.
The revenge is that SamuelStearns.
He has been, he was being usedby the president to help him get
(15:31):
the power and the prestige andto get where he is, and he's
kind of discarded.
He wants revenge, and he is aformidable, he, I he's coming
for you.
That's all I can say about that.
And then finally, there is thatrenewal, and that is the renewal
of this new Captain America.
(15:52):
And with this, what we have iswe have Sam Wilson charting a
new path and saying, here is howCaptain, this is the new Captain
America.
And so all of those three thingshappen in this film.
And I think overall, they did anice job.
But here's my problem.
And when I say nice job.
(16:13):
The Anthony Mackie ate it upfrom an acting perspective.
I think all the actors did well,including Giancarlo Esposito,
Shira, I'm forgetting Shira's,Shira Haas.
So I thought they all did a goodjob there.
I thought that the, it lookedgood on the screen, from the CGI
to the set design.
And I thought that the actionwas Marvel worthy.
(16:36):
However, unfortunately, thewhole does not equal the sum of
the parts.
Each of these parts were fineindividually.
But this did not make a iconicmovie.
It just didn't do it.
And maybe the writers werehoping to come back later and
(16:59):
really show the power of the newCaptain America, but they did
this Captain America adisservice, in my opinion.
This film should have been allabout, everything should have
been about how this should bethe Captain America, Because it
is the Captain America today,but this was just a setup movie.
It's a setup movie for somebigger and better things.
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They missed an opportunity andyou only get a one time to make
a first impression.
And I think that they lostsomething by making this a setup
movie, as opposed to makingthis.
A iconic movie and I put that onthe writers.
I really do put that on thewriters.
I, I think that the whole thingwas okay, but this did not blow
(17:42):
me away.
And in fact, it wasn't brave.
It wasn't new.
And I, I didn't love this world.
That's what I have for you,Kathia.
Kathia Woods (17:54):
He wrote that in my review.
I feel like this is a bridgemovie.
This is a movie that is more orless taking Sam Wilson's Captain
America from the small screen tothe large screen.
Introducing Joaquin Torres asthe new Falcon and closing the
chapter on Isaiah's story andthen embodying the red.
(18:23):
That's what I feel like.
And I felt like if they wantedto do that, they should have
done that in the TV series.
And then.
Given him a new thing, I thinkAnthony Mackey's in an
impossible position becausethey're going to be people that
are going to have a problem withthe fact that a because he is a
black man is stepping intoCaptain America, which has
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nothing to do with him.
That's a day problem.
Not a problem.
Then there are the people thatare forever not going to let him
that go forever going to comparehim to Chris Evans and not let
him be Chris Evans.
And want him to be Chris Evans.
Again, that's not an AnthonyMackie problem.
That's a storyline that thestudio decided to pursue.
(19:07):
And also Chris Evans was like, Idid everything I feel like I can
do with this role.
I want to be something else.
I don't want to play CaptainAmerica until I'm 60.
I'm in my 40s.
I want to be something else andthat's I can understand just
like Robert Downey Jr.
Was like, I don't want to beIron Man until I'm 60, right?
(19:28):
And even Anthony Mackie said,Hey, you got me for two, 10
years.
Then once I'm in my fifties,heading to 60, I'm out.
So there are some other thingsin there that don't control him.
I feel like we didn't get enoughwith Giancarlo Sposito as a bad
guy.
Cause he plays bad guys reallywell.
And I feel like I understandwhat the movie was doing, but
(19:48):
why it was overexplaining itlost its way a little bit.
I don't feel as badly about thismovie as other people saying
that it was a waste of bravemen.
And we know that there's a groupof people that is more about
artsy fartsy movies that don'tlike the superhero movies and
every chance that they get willdump on it.
(20:09):
I don't think.
That it's that bad.
I do.
I agree with you.
There was some missedopportunities.
Why?
I think it is going to appeasemost of the MCU, but I think
there was a missed opportunity.
I gave it a 6 out of 10.
I don't think it is a 2.
(20:30):
And there are some enjoyablemoments, there are some good
fight scenes.
I think the suit looks great.
I think Anthony Mackiedefinitely brings a different, I
think he's a more emotional.
Because Sam is more emotional,he's more human.
He doesn't have the serum, soyou don't have all that
emotional detachment.
And I think this more or lessbecause we're getting, from my
(20:53):
understanding, an Avengersmovie.
After this, right?
So, it's like the setup for himleading the new reassembled,
whatever version of theadventures that's gonna be.
But, yeah that's pretty much, Iget it.
It's like a, it's a nice steak,but it's not Wagyu beef.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel C (21:15):
Yeah, yeah,
Kathia Woods (21:15):
yeah.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cri (21:17):
And so if you're going to talk about
food, if it's a nice steak, anice steak for me is not all
that red that my guy with a topchef shelf likes all the time.
I'd be like, I don't want my,want to see all that blood and
red coming out of there.
That was not a good steak.
It was okay.
I mean, I'd eat it if I comeover your house, but, yeah.
(21:39):
It wasn't quite well
Kathia Woods (21:40):
done, but it wasn't, it didn't have a touch
of pink.
It wasn't like rubber, like ashoe, but it wasn't properly
cooked either.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Criti (21:50):
I totally feel that.
I do want to say one more thingabout Anthony Mackie is that
what I liked is I liked hisability to show strength.
He shows some humor and heshowed leadership.
I thought that he shined fromeverything that they gave him to
do.
I thought he really did a goodjob.
My rating is very similar toyours.
(22:13):
My rating is on a four scale andI gave it a 2.
5.
And if we convert those, yoursis six out of 10, which is 60%.
And mine is two and a half outof four, which is 6.
25.
So we're in the same boat.
I'm saying.
You won't necessarily feelcheated, but you won't walk out
of there thinking that AnthonyMackie he's killing the Captain
(22:38):
America role.
That's that's what I think and Ithink that's due to The writing
not due to his effort.
I
Kathia Woods (22:48):
agree.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (22:48):
That's it.
That's it All right, so thatmeans we can move into our next
movie And one of the things foryou guys listening to us is that
when I first met Katya, shewould always be like, You gotta
watch this movie.
This is a film that you gottasee.
And I'm like, I can't watcheverything.
(23:09):
She be watch Firstly, shewatches too much.
Too many things and it'd be likemessing me up.
So she comes back and she says,Reggie, this next movie that
we're about to talk about, shesays, Reggie, you need to check
this one out.
And so that's why I'm going tolet her lead with, not let her
lead.
I'm going to ask her to leadwith this one so that I can
(23:30):
chime in here or there, but I,go ahead, Kasi.
Kathia Woods (23:33):
Sly lives.
And
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (23:35):
what's the name of it?
Kathia Woods (23:36):
Sly lives.
I gotta give you the full, this,that is a, can I just say it's a
doozy.
Fly lives, AKA the burden ofblack genius, which is the
follow up, which is quest loveif you love summer soul, he
talked about it, that he wasworking on.
stone.
It's another passion project ofhis where he talked about, he
(24:01):
has great admiration of slicedstone and he's quite a musical
nerd.
Like I am.
I'm a musical nerd too.
And I thought if anybody shouldtell it, it's going to be him
because he understands amusical.
He understands the black portionof it.
And can also dwell on theinfluence on Sly Stone.
(24:24):
Why I enjoyed it, I didn't enjoyit as much as Summer of Soul.
I really kept as I was watchingit, and maybe I'm out here by
myself, felt like this is aperfect example of he ran out of
time to give us the completedepth and soul, dare I say, of
Sly Stone.
(24:44):
I felt And that's not to saythat you shouldn't watch it and
it's not good, but because ofthe way he gave it to us, I felt
like I had a hunger for moreinformation.
I felt we probably in this casewould have been better served in
a five chapter, five episodelimited series.
(25:05):
Let me explain I feel like hisbeginnings, there is a reason I
believe Why he made theintegration choices that he made
because the family moved fromTexas to Northern California.
I don't know, had he livedsomewhere, had he stayed in
Texas, and that's not to saythat it wouldn't have happened,
(25:28):
that he wouldn't have been opento those different types of
sounds that told him when I'mfor my group, I'm going to have
my brother and my sister, butI'm also going to have these
white folks in it.
You got to remember this was inthe 60s, late 60s, where we were
coming out of segregation, andCalifornia was a different vibe
(25:48):
than down south.
Down south was very segregated.
Black and white people were notmixing like they were in
Northern California.
And also, I wanted to know Whatwe know where the black musical
sound came from, right?
His gospel roots.
I wanted to know more like howdid, because his brother and
sister were good musicians too.
(26:11):
How did that, like, where didthey get it from?
Mom, dad, that type of thing.
And mind you, I watched thedocumentary more than once.
I also wanted to know was itlike, what did he pick up from
his DJing days?
Because his early records thathe produced were more for white
artists.
Then for black artists.
So again, where, like, where'sthe tune and the missing thing
is we don't have slide.
(26:32):
The slides not doing interviews.
He's not talking to people.
So he had their line archives.
Then I also wanted to dwell inalso a little bit and choose
very specific on how he viewedwomen.
So you have women as a prominentpart in the documentary, right?
His relationship with CynthiaRobbins, which is also worst
romantic, but he put her in agroup because she's a dope
(26:52):
trumper player, right?
What did that discussion?
And then also the harmonies whenhim and his sister and his
brother would sing, right?
And how he put his sister in thefront, right?
If you look at that, the Edisonshow and how they went out and
they were really in there.
Also, what I have a question.
If you listen to higher right onthe album, it's very melodic.
(27:15):
When did he say, okay, Irecorded this way, but when we
do it live, we don't go in thegospel call and chant.
Hi, I want to take you higher.
You listen to it on the album.
I have so many questions that Ifeel like.
That's why I'm like, man, maybeif you did a series, we could
have had just a chapter on howhe pivoted from each album and
(27:38):
how he pivoted from what was inthe booth to the live.
But overall, I think what he diddo, which is happening right
here, right.
It made me want to dig a littlebit deeper and made me want to
rewatch the thing and made melook at other things to
understand because the gift thatis slide, I will say that is.
(28:00):
When you allow a musician and wewere not going to have it in
today's age, unless you arereally independent to be really
free.
This is what happens when youdon't give him the freaking
rules.
This is you allowed to cook.
Now, the sad part about it isonce you do start to cook with
the recipes, like we weretalking about, they don't want
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you to make a new mac andcheese.
They want you to keep becausethat's what's making money.
And I feel like because of thetimes we were in.
Sly was trapped by his ownsuccess and unfortunately he had
nobody to call.
He didn't have Michael JacksonPrince to call.
So he turned to drugs andalcohol to cope.
(28:42):
So that is my 5 cent reviewhere.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cri (28:45):
All right.
Firstly I am so happy, as usual,when you tell me that there's
something that I need to watch,because this I disagree with you
like 100%.
This was the documentary.
They did this doc.
This was, this is probably, Iknow you watch more
documentaries than me, missDocumentary watcher, but this
(29:09):
was the documentary because itdid a couple of things that I've
been wanting documentaries to doabout artists.
It did not hold back about hisfoibles, his, the things that
happened to him, which will gonameless, where they'll be
talking about how, yeah, she wasa great artist, but she had
(29:31):
these babies at a young age andwe don't know nothing about what
happened back then.
It just, they just gloss overit.
Yeah, they did this, but theyhad some drugs, but we won't
even talk about that orwhatever.
And we just we gloss over it orjust, or ignore it all together.
This didn't ignore it.
Any of that stuff.
If you I can understand youwanting more saying that this
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didn't do what it was supposedto do.
This did exactly what it wassupposed to do.
The first thing it did wasremind the world that there was
a and it still is a black geniusthat came through that.
Most people are not talkingabout today and it doesn't make
any sense.
This guy was a genius.
(30:16):
Number two, it showed his impacton not only just being a genius,
but his impact on all the musicthat has come afterwards.
Including the music that we'relistening to today.
And then it showed the downfallof them.
And it asked a question, whichcan be a different documentary
(30:37):
or a different thing, but it didask the question, what is the
price of genius?
What is the price of blackgenius?
And I just think that the way inwhich this was put together was
genius.
I forgot.
I just forgot.
Not that I didn't know.
But I forgot about these songsthat I love from Sly, and there
(30:59):
were so many that I was like,oh, yeah, that one, okay, I know
you listening, y'all listeningto us, so I'm gonna name a few
of them.
First and foremost, you guysgonna be like Family Affair,
yep.
Family Affair don't sound, ifyou listen to the, look at the
lyrics and they did it, it's notlike it was all kumbaya.
A family affair was one fun inthe summertime cup.
(31:24):
Come on, hot fun in thesummertime.
That was like, like it.
It was all of that.
But then you think that can't besurpassed, but then you get
everyday people.
Really?
There were so many songs as Iwas listening to them go through
it.
And that's how I come.
(31:45):
I love what Questlove did here.
He made sure that we knew thatone way to the slide list.
It's through the music.
The other way to slide Liz isbecause the world didn't end up
killing him.
He didn't, he ended, he didn'tend up like the princes and
(32:05):
Michael Jackson's of the world.
And he's still here.
I really, really liked thisdocumentary.
Kathia Woods (32:12):
I do.
I don't get me wrong.
I just want to be clear.
I didn't hate it.
I just wanted us to dwell alittle bit deeper because to me,
to show you how I, in myopinion, I think Some of his B
cuts are stronger than the hits.
If you really listen to hismusic.
If you really take the time tolisten.
(32:32):
That's why I said it.
The fact a lot of people onlyknow the version of Higher.
It's the dun, dun.
They don't know that the songwas not like that.
I want to know, and again, Ihope, I pray, before he passes.
That we can have thatconversation.
And be like, what made you sayokay, in the studio, this was
(32:53):
not before the moment where youjust looking at into the crowd
was the spirit taking you over.
Did you say today?
I'm going to.
I think that is that doesn'thappen.
I think Prince gave us a littlebit of that.
Do you know what I mean?
Where he took his because and hetook his songs and he remixed
them just to keep it interestingfor him as an artist.
(33:13):
But you're right.
We wouldn't have.
Yeah.
Have the songs we love.
We wouldn't have the sound of AChild Called Quest.
We wouldn't have the songs ofDale of Soul because Prince Paul
went all through Sly Stone'scatalog.
We wouldn't have Mama said,knock you out.
That comes from sign a family.
We
Reggie Ponder, The Reel C (33:28):
would not have George Clinton.
We wouldn't have we wouldn'thave Prince.
We wouldn't have
Kathia Woods (33:35):
Michael Jackson.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cr (33:37):
When you look at how he dressed, what
he did, you could tell that hisinfluence just permeated the
whole music industry.
When you look at Prince and youlook at Sly Stone, you'd be
like, Oh,
Kathia Woods (33:54):
you see where it came from.
And you know what?
If you hear Prince talking aboutit, it's Sly Stone and Stevie
Wonder.
And also if you listen to LennyKravitz, it's Sly Stone's
influence.
And also I'm like, like yousaid, we wouldn't have LTD.
We wouldn't have the early, ifyou listen to early Earth, wind
and fire.
(34:14):
Mighty, mighty love.
That is Sly Stone influence.
We wouldn't have the Barcade.
We wouldn't have all the Ohioplayers.
None of that funk groove that wenow know as a funk era came out
of Sly Stone.
And the other thing is thatkills me.
The genius! It's just what isgoing on in the brain that he
(34:37):
gave you such funky, funkythings and then he also gave you
the melodies, the harmonies,because if you listen to the
songs, it's him singing lead,it's Cynthia singing lead.
It's Freddie and it's Larrysingly it's for people saying
you can't even in today's thatyou can't even get them brothers
(34:59):
to put their egos aside to for asingle because they're like, I
only got 20 seconds.
They, and also the fact that.
You know how we have groupsbreak up and everybody be
talking their ish, Larry, tothis day, Larry Graham wouldn't
be, I think Larry Graham wouldhave had a career would have
taken him a little longer, buthe wouldn't be the Larry Graham
(35:21):
that we love if it wasn't forsliced stone and the love that
they have for this man with allthe mistakes that he made and
all of his fallacies.
Is a genuine love because theyunderstand that he was a victim
of his own success and I'm not.
First of all, I'm going to bevery clear.
I'm not excusing him not being agood father, him abandoning
(35:43):
things due to his, but Iunderstand, but I also
understand because we still arehaving a conversation.
Reggie, when black artists thatdon't want to do the dance and
don't want to stay in the box.
What is Michael Jackson PrincePrince all those years?
He was fighting.
That's what I'm saying.
And yeah, and even KendrickKendrick, Kendrick is breaking
(36:05):
away from TDE because he's like,I don't I'm not that dude
anymore.
I want to do different things.
That's sad part is.
That too often those artistsdon't have the courage or don't
have the support to speak outwithout, being labeled
troublesome, which is what slidewas starting to be labeled and
he turned to drugs and alcohol.
(36:27):
And, once you go down that roadand it gets a hold of you it's a
never ending door.
And also the people, he's thepeople that were hanging around
him.
Didn't give a damn about him.
But the point I'm saying,
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (36:38):
George says.
He said that they said, soGeorge, what were y'all doing?
He said we were tracing, chasingthe juror.
So he hanging out with Clintonand both of them are chasing it.
I would just want to add though,is that it is no surprise to me
that the Funkadelics, thatBootsy, that George Clinton, it
(37:00):
is no surprise.
And George said in this piece,it's no surprise.
They were like, yeah, we want todo something like that.
The fact, I, I don't remember,and I went to the spaceship
tour.
I don't remember seeing slotthere, but I bet you he was
there.
I just don't remember thatbecause I was just so in love
(37:22):
with George Clinton and now, butthe fact that he was on tour
with them to come on, but theywere chasing the drug.
They were absolutely.
You
Kathia Woods (37:31):
know what the Reggie, here's the best part
because we're, I say this, wewere born musically at the most
amazing time.
I don't care.
You can argue with me to thecows come home.
The seventies, in my opinion,was the best time for black
music because we took theshackles off and say, we are no
(37:52):
longer conforming to what ispleasing to white people.
We going to do us.
We going to grow our hair out.
We going to dress how we want todress.
We don't get down and get funky.
If you get it, you get it.
If you don't, you don't.
And hence to this day, we canstill listen to that music.
So to me, I'm always like, wewere lucky enough that we were
(38:13):
young enough to see it.
We might not have gotteneverything, but we experienced
it.
And then as adults, we can goback and we can say our ears.
When we hear the remixes, we go,Oh, I know where that comes
from.
But this generation today, likeit's like, listen, you know, the
conversations when people arelike Beyonce wouldn't would beat
(38:36):
Michael Jackson and I loveBeyonce or that Kevin Hart is
bigger than Eddie Murphy.
Are you dumb?
But here, you now have thegeneration, our kids who never,
you know, cause I is.
Out here doing sly.
They now get to see, oh, Iunderstand that when my parents
were talking about what mygrandparents are talking about,
(38:57):
I understand when they play itat the barbecue.
Okay.
I see how that man dressed.
Like he, his swag, like slyswag.
Come on now.
It, it was, he was just,remember he got married at the
garden?
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (39:11):
It was second to none.
I, so we gotta wrap this sec,this part of our segment up.
So I'm gonna tell you.
I disagree with Kassia.
She's Kathia she wanted it to dothis and do that.
Kathia Woods (39:24):
I want it more.
I'm
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (39:25):
giving this one is four reels out of my
four reels for me.
I love this one.
I hope you go out and check itout.
It is so good and you will wantmore.
I'll agree.
You'll want more.
They, they did a really good jobwith this one.
I think Questlove, you my guy,you my guy.
What are you saying about thisone, Kathia?
Kathia Woods (39:48):
I give it a nine because I want it more, but then
again, I'm also a music nerdbecause I, as afterwards, I
didn't, as I was writing myreview, I put the headphones on
and I went through thediscography.
Cause like I said, you could domusic class on the first three
albums and don't dismiss thefirst one because it wasn't a
commercial success commercialcommercial good music is good
(40:09):
music.
And there is some stuff on therethat is, and like I said, as an
artist is really, really goodwhen the B cuts.
The in between, not filter musicis, is talking to you and I hope
this generation, especially aswe're celebrating Black History
Month, because we stillcelebrate Black History Month
over here, we celebrated 365,but understand that American
(40:35):
culture is black culture, blackculture is American culture, and
we, if it wasn't for us, blackand brown people, we would have
Some very stale music.
So I hope it inspires kids andlets them know, Hey, it's okay
to be different.
It's okay to lean in to, to, toflying above the clouds.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (40:56):
So I really do want to end this
segment, but I can't because itwould be sacrilegious to say our
segment is over.
I gave it a four out of four.
10.
And then she says something.
She said that she went throughthe discography.
(41:17):
So, Kathia, there are two songsthat people may not have played
that you would want to tellpeople to play.
To go and listen to we need thatrecommendation.
I need that recommendationbecause I bet you it's going to
be some song that I didn't hear.
I was over there listening toStan and I'm listening to Ha Ha
(41:38):
Hee Hee.
But there's something else inthat discography that you're
about to tell us that we shouldgo listen to.
What are the two songs?
Kathia Woods (41:46):
Well, okay, I encourage you to go to and and
listen to higher On the album,you're gonna be like it's just
cannot be The same song becauseit is it's on their second album
dance to the music.
It's okay It's great.
You know what?
(42:07):
I mean?
It is absolutely Absolutelygreat And i'm just like I forgot
because you know i'm so used toUs hearing apple music is is is
being interesting But I do thinkand I absolutely encourage you
to Listen to the first project,you know what I mean?
(42:28):
Which is sly and the family'sdoing a whole new thing.
And I would have you listen toif this room could talk,
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (42:36):
If this room could talk.
I, I haven't heard this one, soI'm gonna listen to it.
I'll come back next week.
And tell you that I listened toit.
If this room could talk.
Kathia Woods (42:46):
Yes, because again, I'm just saying what is
going what was going on in hishead that went from which I
believe is from the higherspirit.
You're not that gifted to hissheet.
I just feel like.
You know how we always say somepeople are talented?
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cr (43:07):
Yes.
Kathia Woods (43:08):
But some people just get a little extra in the
talent line.
Slice stone got a Li way morethan a little extra you and
something about him.
When everybody was on the onesand twos, he was on the ones and
twos out there above the clouds.
And I think that is.
That's something to be studiedand absolutely leaned into.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (43:31):
So I was going to say, I know this
is what we should do, but I'mpositive.
You probably already did it.
I was like, we should just haveyou tell quest a letter, come on
our show.
And we just chit chat with questlove.
But
Kathia Woods (43:41):
to me, what I love about quest is this is how, you
know, when somebody loves music,right?
I love that he's the one doingit because he's literally doing
the expression digging in thecrate and he's exposing a
younger generation at a timewhen our history is being
erased, where we're being toldthat we made no contributions.
(44:04):
Voila, one man, one group gaveus so many different leaves.
And I think that's important.
It's also to remind ourselveswho are older to be like, yo.
Yeah, that, that is part of ourhistory.
That is part of why we play.
These tracks at the barbecue,you in the car, you could be, or
(44:26):
you could watch a movie, right?
And these songs come on and yourhead is like, boom, boom.
Next thing you know, your lipsare moving, you know what I
mean?
And it's just, it's a feel goodthing.
That's what I think Quest doesmore than anything is he
heightens your curiosity.
And also he has a difficultconversation, not like TMZ
light, but he is like breakingit down for us.
(44:48):
This is special.
And I'm so glad that we'retalking about it.
You can tell I really didn'tlike this movie.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cr (44:54):
That is so funny.
All right.
All right.
Let's move to our last segmentand we'll try to keep it tight
for my sake because it is ourrant and rave segment.
And I think it really is my eatand crow segment.
So, last episode, I gave out allof the reasons why that I knew
(45:20):
for a fact that the Chiefs wouldwin the Super Bowl.
And I gave out reasons that Iknew for a fact why.
The Philadelphia Eagles wouldn'tlose it.
So they weren't going to, theyweren't only going to get beat.
They were also going to hand itover.
(45:41):
I was wrong.
And Katya cause you can't seeher has on a big old black
Eagles hat, a NFL Eagles shirt.
Number one.
I wonder who that is.
And I don't have too much to sayother than I was wrong and I'm
(46:02):
just going to relinquish thefloor.
To Katya.
Cause my team did not play well.
Firstly, they didn't play well.
And then they just got stomped.
I'm talking about they gotstumped on defense.
They got stumped on offense.
This was not a good Superbowlfor me.
I can't, I can't you guys goahead, Katya.
(46:30):
Oh man.
I have a feeling that you'regoing to fly from Atlanta to the
Superbowl party and be on one ofthose light posts.
So no, no,
Kathia Woods (46:39):
never that, but I had to do it because Reggie, my
Midwest brother, your team got,not only did we win, your team
got embarrassed.
They got spanked.
My team held your team.
As my guy said on TV, it was agood old fashioned butt
whipping.
(46:59):
Your team did so bad that webrought in our backup
quarterback to have snaps causewe knew it was a wraps.
Them 20 points was with thesecond team on the field.
Coach turned around and said,everybody can get some at the
Superbowl.
We was one step away fromputting QB number three in there
(47:19):
to take a snap.
That's how bad the chief PatrickMahone's was running like he was
running.
He was black on Sunday becausehe was running Frankie was
right.
He was running from my defenselike a black man from the
police.
Like he could not catch a break.
I mean, they had hands on him.
Everywhere.
(47:40):
My man is going to need a soak,an ice bath, and he's going to
need to hide out in Cancunbecause that's how bad it was.
Like, and but, and he gaveCooper Dejean a wonderful
birthday present.
Cooper Dejean, shout out to you.
Number 22, he got a pick and ranin for a touchdown on his
(48:02):
birthday.
Thank you, Patrick Mahomes.
Then, they thought becauseSaquon was not rushing up and
down the field, Saquon wasblocking, Saquon was keeping
everybody level headed, right?
Then my guy, Jay Hertz.
Can we talk about Jay Hertz?
Put some message out on QBnumber one.
(48:24):
Talk to us nice.
When he threw that, I also lovedit.
Nixie Ronnie was like, you knowwhat?
We not going to play and say,put the nail in the coffin.
He threw that beautiful pass toDevante Smith.
Oh my God.
You could just hear the aircoming out of all the cases.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (48:43):
It
Kathia Woods (48:45):
was just like, it was a wraps.
My man stood in the pocketLotus.
He didn't even like.
He knew it was going to be atouchdown.
The whole squad looked and said,Oh yeah, that, that, that hurts.
I feel bad for them.
Like, look, Oh, did you see yourchiefs on the sideline?
They looked deflated.
Patrick,
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (49:05):
my own only had two interceptions.
Yo guy had one.
Patrick Mahomes had 257 yards.
Your guy only had 227.
Kathia Woods (49:18):
He did not
Reggie Ponder, The Ree (49:19):
outplay, he did not outplay my guy.
It's, it's, oh my goodness.
Kathia Woods (49:23):
You know why he only had as many yards as he
did?
Because my defense kept scoring.
My defense was all over him.
And Harrison Buckner's uniformwas so clean, he managed to just
take it off, fold it, and put itback in the closet.
He was only on the field forkickoffs.
He didn't kick one field goal.
My man, I mean, listen, heneeded more than Jesus.
(49:46):
He, that faith he needed to callJesus that day.
Cause Jesus said not today, nottoday.
And I do think there were acouple of guys on the chiefs
that cried.
I mean, Patrick Mahone's lookedlike, I wanted to say, sir, do
you even know where you are?
We're in New Orleans and it'sthe Superbowl.
And it's been lights out.
I'm so happy for thisPhiladelphia Eagle squad because
(50:07):
nobody gave us a chance.
I'm so happy for Jalen Hurts,who just let his play do the
talking.
I'm so happy he's up and down myTV on every show, that he's
hanging out with Mickey, thathe's in the parade today.
Be prepared.
I'm so I so love the Jordan adThey're opening up the first
Jordan store.
Guess where in philadelphia andguess what the banner was.
(50:30):
Oh my god.
Jay hurts outside the store SoI'm just saying, when you talk
about my QB, do not mention yourQB in there in Chicago.
Don't mention that man overthere in Buffalo.
Don't mention the guy infreaking Detroit.
Don't mention the guy inBaltimore because guess what?
My guy, Jay Hertz has that theydon't have.
(50:52):
They have a win against, he hasa win against Patrick Mahone's.
He has an MVP trophy and he hasa Superbowl trophy.
We are not the same.
We went over here, but I lovethat y'all got to eat crow and
you really got to watch my manup and down on your TV, having
the time of his life.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Cri (51:13):
All right, everybody.
For some reason I hear a bell.
It seems like our show's over.
It's time to close it up.
I
Kathia Woods (51:20):
got, listen, next time I see you, I got a shirt
for you.
You, we have room for you in thefan club because Chicago is
going to be a minute beforey'all are good again.
Good people, good football fans,but it's going to be a minute.
Y'all going to have to suffer alittle bit more.
I'm sorry.
You are.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel Crit (51:42):
We used to like the Eagles when,
what was the black quarterback'sname who was from Chicago?
Hmm.
Did y'all have one?
Y'all know McNabb?
Yeah! Oh, McNabb!
Kathia Woods (51:54):
Steve McNabb, he's team Eagles.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel (51:57):
McNabb, yes, yes, yes.
Alright, well, I am going tojust say this and get to our
closing.
Fly Eagles, fly.
Fly Eagles, fly.
Whatever.
All right.
That's our show you guys.
Hopefully we're done talkingabout football for awhile.
So that will be good becauseChicago is not doing anything
(52:21):
over here.
So it'll be great to stoptalking football for a minute.
This is the Real CriticsNetwork.
You got two critics, twoopinions on one mission where
dialogue, it engages, educates,entertains, and occasionally
escalates.
As you can see in our priordiscussion, I'm Reggie Ponder,
(52:42):
the Real Critic.
You can find me at the RealCritic on Twitter, Instagram,
YouTube.
And I even signed up for thatnew one that Kathia is on.
Kathia, where can we find you?
Kathia Woods (52:52):
Blue sky.
You can find me everywhere.
Kathia underscore woods.
I'm the same in everything.
Reggie Ponder, The Reel C (53:00):
Well, that's it.
See you guys next time.
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