The Bizarre Tale Of The Bishop,Witchcraft And Spaghetti

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But if you're healed and you ready to tell it, how let me.
I got a little treat for y'all today, homie.
I have a special guest dog.
We gonna be hearing it from a bishop today, dog,
from North Carolina, North Cackalacka.
And he is gonna be telling us his story
of love, lust, and witchcraft.

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Let's get into it.
And what's the plan?
KSAT.
proposing to attend the performance.

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Yes sir.
But just for the people watching, can you tell them your name and just the state you're
from?
You ain't got to say the city.
Okay, cool.
My name is Nathan and I'm from North Carolina.
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
Give us just a little bit about yourself and then you can jump into your testimony.

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Well, let's see.
Where do I want to start here?
I started ministering maybe 2000, 2003, 2004.
Became ordained as an elder at 2007.
So I've been preaching for about 18 years.

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I got, I was married.
I got married in 2002.
Was married about 20 something years.
I'm now divorced.
I separated from my ex-wife about three and a half years.
Been divorced probably about since July of 2024.
So striking out on my own.

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I've been where I am now, in the city I'm in now.
I've been here for about two years, going on two years.
I have two, I have two children.
A daughter that's 17 and my son that's 21.
He's autistic, but he gets around pretty good.
I work in corrections.

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I work in corrections.
I've been in corrections now going on three years.
Before then I was a nursing assistant.
I did that for about 11 and a half years and I did that at a mental health place.
Here where I wasn't here, it was in my old town.
I did mental health.
Just been at the counter, man.
I got a diverse.
I don't look kind of diverse.
I did Amazon.

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I did Amazon for a little bit.
I did a post office for a little bit.
I did FedEx for a little bit.
So yeah.
But yeah, but overall with the state, I got 16 years in.
And so I might not retire with 30.
I may do 20, 21 years and get going out of there.
I know my purpose and my calling is pretty much to do what I'm doing now.

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I hit a lot of pitfalls.
You know how we do it.
Life happens.
We do a whole lot of things.
We're off the path and all that.
But I find myself coming right back here.
And so, yeah.
But that's pretty much a little brief synopsis about me.
Tabby, I love music.
I love music.
I'm looking at that behind you, that keyboard and stuff you got.

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So yeah, I love music.
So yeah.
But yeah, just like I said, I'm trying to build up some little stuff here to really
dive in to what my heart really desires.
But yeah.
I love it.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
So we spoke the other day a little bit about your testimony and we had to kind of cut it

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short because we was going deep in it.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, come on man.
Yeah.
Yes, sir.
I mean, today is the day where we pick up and we just, we get into the nitty gritty.
And before we even begin, man, I want you to know that this is a safe space.
It ain't a zone where I'm gonna judge you or make you feel uncomfortable.

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And if I do, please let me know.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
But on the floor is yours, man.
The floor is yours.
Well, I got, I got 27 years of things to share.
So I'm gonna try to condense some stuff down the best that I can.
I was discovered, well, my, let me give a shout out to my life coach, my ego life coach,

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Sabrina Michelle.
She's the one who was the catalyst for me finding you.
And I shared my story with her and she says, I have somebody you need to get in touch with.
She said, you need to text, email something to Roy.
And I was like, go ahead.
She said, listen, go on YouTube.
I'm gonna see your clip.

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She said, go up there, watch him.
And the first, I think one of the first clips I saw was dealing with the sufferers.
And I said, oh, and I kind of sat back, you know, I kind of sat back.
And I'm like, this is interesting.
So I was like, no way.
So when I shared with her, you know, we kind of related, stayed back together.

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I said, okay, all right.
So for me, thousand, it was, it was 2000.
I was working in mental health and I wasn't married then.
I was single man.
And you know, we single, we do what we do.
Right?
I'm single man working whatever.
And for, for privacy, we're going to call this person Miss Spaghetti.

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All right.
Miss Spaghetti is gonna be our name.
Kind of like the, kind of like the little, the little John Lacey.
We go call this one, we call this one Miss Spaghetti.
And so I was working one day and Miss Spaghetti was just starting, just starting.
And she came to my floor.
And when she came to my floor, she got off the elevator.

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Dude, she ran straight to me and jumped on my back.
I didn't know this woman from a man in the moon.
She jumped on my back.
And I'm like, you know, I'm at that time, I was probably 21, 20, 20 years old.
I'm 49 now.
So I was like 20, 21 years old.
So she jumped on my back.
So I'm like, yo, show me what you, you know, and I'm like, yo, who this?
You know, but immediately her personality just, it sucked me in.

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And so from there, we kind of talked here and there.
She get off, not she get off work and whatever.
We were kind of passing this stuff.
So I find out that she was married.
And I said, wait a minute, this woman married and acting like this, you know?
So then my story started becoming, look, you married, you needed to, you know, you need
to kind of chill.
But it's like, the more I said it, the more aggressive she became.

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And I'm like, listen, you married me, you know, da da da.
Even though I was young, I was still like, look, you married me, you know, that didn't
help.
That didn't help.
Intensified.
And then so to the point where we went out, went out a few times and then we started,
started getting deeper and deeper.
The conversations started changing from, you know, but then there's more hand, you know,

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how we do normal hand stuff.
And it was like, she was so free.
She felt free around me, I guess, open.
And she started doing stuff.
And I'm like, yo, you a whole night, one more, why you?
And at the same time, I knew I shouldn't have been there, but it was like, I wasn't trying
not to be there forever.
And so things happened.
He kept hanging out.
Then the kiss happens.

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Boom.
Okay.
She leaves, turn around, come back, kiss me again.
I'm like, oh man, I'm all the way there now.
I'm like, I don't know how to, you know, how do I, how do I, how do I pull back out of
this?
This woman is married, da da da da da.
Her story to me was she's coming out of the marriage.
They were having problems, they were having issues.
The worst thing, and I'm just going to tell you the way that I can, you know, tell her

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for me, is the worst thing that you can do when somebody has some issues in their marriage
is to get in the middle of it.
Oh yeah.
The best run.
Look, run, run, run like Joseph did in the Bible.
Run.
If you can't make it, do not.
Do not.
Because, you know, and I'm trying not to be preachy, but before God starts setting up

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something, you have to complete something.
He doesn't send you in the midst of confusion because he's not the author of confusion.
The enemy is the author of confusion.
And when that comes in, it's the whole, man, I started having run ins with her husband.
He was pulling up at the job.
He was pulling up when he thought he saw my car.
All this kind of stuff was going on.

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But even in the midst of that, bro, I still didn't stop.
It was still like, oh, so now we really going to be about this life.
So now, and she has kids or she has three kids and all of that was happening.
I'm trying to get to where I'm going here.
I had literally the enemy had messed with my mind so much around that time that I had

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plotted to kill this man.
In my mind, I told her, I said, if you don't deal with your ex or husband or whatever he
is, I'm going to deal with him.
And I was so serious.
I said, I'm going to kill him.
I said, your children are going to be bastards.
Literally.
That young, my mind was like, if he keep, he going to be really going to find out, you

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know, that's the term you use now.
You will mess around and find out.
Back then, I was like, I'm going to take him out.
I had plotted where I was going to buy the gun.
I knew the store where I was going to go get it.
I knew how much I was going to spend.
I knew the particular weapon I was going to use.
That's how much the enemy was driving my mind.
So she just kind of looked at me and kind of like, no, no, but I, bro, I'm serious.

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I was going to kill him.
We had done took it to that level to the point where I done, we done slept a few, few times.
I mean, I was all the way in.
I was all the way in and, um, but it was something peculiar.
This woman was in the church.
All right.
She was in the church.
As far as I know to this day, she still is, but this woman was in the church and this
was, I want to say to everybody, a lot of times we think because people in the church,

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they don't do things.
There's a lot of things that go on from the pulpit all the way to the door.
There's a lot of things that go on and I'm not downing all churches.
I'm not downing all churches and being the elder, but from things I've seen, there are
a lot of things, even in the churches and even in the house of God that I've spoken
over people that can be deemed as witchery.

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That's the whole, you know, that can be deemed as pronouncing things over people that are
not conducive to bringing the blessing that is actually cursing a lot of things that I've
heard.
And so just because they're in there, you can be in there and not be, you can be there,
but not be in there.
So I'm thinking that you wouldn't think, well, for me at the time, I didn't think of this

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that, you know, maybe it's just whatever.
One night, and I'm trying to kind of speed a little bit, one night I was at her apartment
and we had did what we, you know, what we do.
And this is the state when you're dealing with somebody that has, and I haven't even
got to the, to the suck of this part, but when you're dealing with somebody that has
something else going on in them, there's nothing in the bedroom that's off limits.

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Right.
It's all, it's all gas and no breaks.
And most men when it's like that, we ain't turning it down.
We ain't turning it down.
We going all the way in.
But one night, but before that, God was dealing with me a little bit.
I don't know if my conscience was starting to, because I never, even though I wasn't

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at the time me and her met, I really wasn't in church like that, but I was surrounded
by people that was.
And a lot of times my conscience, I said, I know this woman married.
I got to, Oh man, I can't, I need to pull back.
So one particular night, brother, we had did what we did.
And I was in her bed and we were sleeping and I had a dream in his dream.

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It was five or six shadowy dark figures began to attack me.
And in his dream, they began to put their hands around my neck.
And in this dream, I was trying to say the name Jesus.
I couldn't get it out.
I kept trying to say Jesus.
I could not get it out.
And I woke up and when I woke up, I was like, I was nearly being strangled.

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And I looked over at her.
There was no movement.
There was no nothing.
She was sleeping.
Like it was just peaceful.
Me on the other hand, I'm gasping, got a couple of sweat drops coming.
When that happened, it really was a, cause that's never happened in my life.
I had never experienced that.
So when that happened, it raised my eyebrows and everything.

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I'm like, what in the world?
And so like I was saying, I was just kind of getting into the church.
So by this time I had a pastor and certain things that he would minister and everything,
I would kind of relate.
It was like, there was a tug going on as if, you know, God is calling me here, but this
over here is for you.
It feels so much better to be on this side.
You know what I mean?
So now I'm fighting.

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So I'm going to church one minute.
Then the next minute we in the building.
Going to church one minute.
The next minute we behind the building.
I'm going to church for a minute.
It was on and on just a battle.
And so time went on and progressed.
I still didn't stop then.
We still kept dealing.
And I know a lot of people may wonder, man, how you keep going back when that thing is

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strong like that?
And it's hard to pull away.
I mean, we can talk and say, oh man, you should have did it.
But when you end it and you're a witness, but you end up like that, it's not so easy
no matter what you try, because brother, I was going to church.
I was going to Bible studies.
I was going to meet every time the door was open.

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I was trying to be there.
But it was still, if he said one thing, if the phone room, if she showed up, my whole
mind was just, it was almost trance like my whole thought process was just gone.
No matter how much Bible I heard that day, all it took was a second from her.
I was going, I literally was gone.
There was times that I, me and her was out.

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Now see what made me stay away from her eventually was things kept happening.
The things with the, when I was being choked, there was one time she was at my house.
Now this is what happens when you're dealing with somebody like that and you're so, and
it's so driven.
You really don't have respect for a whole lot of things around you.
Right.
Cause man, I was in the house with my mother and that we still, we still were doing, we

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still were doing.
And it was like, it was no respect for nothing.
It was no care for nothing.
It was like, you know, whatever.
And one day I was laying in my bed, she was on the other side of me and literally something
grabbed me on the side.
Like it was trying to snatch me.
Oh man.
And I woke up and I just took my hand and did like this and crazy me when I did this,

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I was like a devil playing and I rolled back over and went back to sleep and grabbed her.
Yeah.
But see if the devil can get that close to you, something going on.
How is it in your life that the enemy is that close to you and he can put his hands on you?
But see I was so, I was so enamored by her.

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I didn't even play.
I knew it happened.
I just did my hand like this, the roll right back over, put my arms around her, went on
to sleep.
That, that was an instance.
This was the time when we was in the car at night talking in the parking, my old time.
And I remember sitting in the car and I was seeing shadows moving, like dark figures jumping
around and I said, Hey, you see that?

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She was like, what?
I'm like, you didn't see that?
And it was like moving.
Finally, man, I'm getting chills telling it.
I haven't told this in years.
You good man, do your thing.
Literally if I get emotional, just, you know, just roll with me.
I remember sitting in the car and that night in those shadows was moving and I kept asking

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her, you don't see that?
You don't see that?
She was like, I was like, they're moving.
I don't see that.
And she was like, and after a while she sat there and then she said, I think some bad
things been going on in this park.
Brother, I never been back to that park.
That's in my hometown.
I never been, I never been back since then.
That was over 20 something years ago.

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But that night, so from the dream when I was being choked, from the dream when I was being
grabbed, from the time we was in the car in the park talking, then there was a time we
was in the car again and somebody walked up on the window, a guy, and he said, man, is
that my wife in there?
I was like, I was like, he was like, is that my wife?
And so I cut the light on in the car and he looked, he said, oh no, that ain't her.

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And then he walked straight.
Then he walked off.
When he walked off, I heard about three or four gunshots.
I was like, was that the guy that was, I mean, cause it was quiet.
He come to the car when he left, all of a sudden certain strange things just kept happening.
And so like I was saying, I was just, you know, trying to get into the church.

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So I was going, I was going and coming out with her and going and coming out.
One day there was a, there was a member in my old church that I used to belong to.
This woman, we never talked.
We never had any conversation or anything.
She told my former pastor a vision she had of me.
And the vision was that there was a conveyor belt, black body bags of people, like a, like

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a, it was coming down like a, a family line.
And so when they get to a certain place, a spot, they would zip the bag up and send it
wherever it went.
And she said one of the bags, excuse me, one of the bags was coming down and she said she
saw me in the bag.
And she said when she saw me in the bag, they were getting ready to zip the bag up.
And she said, I put my hand on the outside and said, it's not my time to go.

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It's not my time to go.
When she told that to my, my former pastor and he called me into the office and he, she
shared it again with us all in there.
He knew what I was dealing with.
He did.
So when she told him that it told us all that together, I sat there just like, oh my gosh,
you know, and so he told her, you know, he said, thank you, whatever she left out.

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Me and that woman never talked.
We never had a conversation since that day.
I don't even know what she is.
She could be in Japan.
I don't know.
I'm just saying.
For God to be so mindful of us that he would send somebody by with a message or a word
to tell you that knows nothing about, you have to take heed to that.

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And no matter how enamored, no matter how, how much I was talking, whatever, I remember
that day he took the whole bottle of oil and just, just, you know, not a dude.
It took a whole bottle of oil and he went to pray.
Yeah.
When the anointing was pouring oil, I'm in there crying like, oh God, I'm like, yo,
let me know crying and carrying on.

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And that day, and I still fought with it though.
I still fought with it.
Cause by that time our souls are not connected.
We have been in the midst so, so long now.
It's like, it's hard, even with that, it was hard to break away.
I remember coming back cause I know he probably got tired of me cause I kept coming back to
him, pastor, and one night he went in tongues.

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I remember this.
He went in tongues and he prayed, prayed.
He was praying while I was there and I was considering marrying this woman.
I was going to marry her.
With all the other women.
I was going to marry her.
I had just gone there for him.
He was like, when he went in tongues and he came out, he said, now the Lord is telling
me that that's not your wife.
Not what he said, he said, but it's your decision cause we have free will, but the Lord is telling

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me that that's not your wife.
Brother, I broke down again.
So when I finally told her, she just looked at me with this confused look on her face
like, you know what?
You know, like this guy, she knew my former pastor to the, to the fact that she respected
him enough that she said, well, uh-uh.
But that didn't stop her.
Now that poor, what helped me was I kept standing church.

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So I cut off a whole lot of, you know, communication.
And when she was at the job, she ended up getting fired.
So now I don't have to see her.
That makes it even easier because before I was seeing her passing by, she's looking at
me.
And as I said, previously when we was talking, she could just look, she didn't have to say
anything.
There was a look of that, but she can just look at me.

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And it was like, I'm gone.
I don't know what it was.
And she could just look at me and she could get anything.
If I had it, she'd get anything.
If I didn't, I'd try to find it.
You feel what I'm saying?
Yes, sir.
So it was one of them things.
And so it was like, once she, it's like, once I made up my mind that this is what I'm going
to do, it's like God sort of protecting and surrounding me in ways that I couldn't even

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imagine.
Now she don't, she don't lost the job.
She had to find another job.
So now I don't have to see her.
Boom.
Now when I do see in public, I'm going the other way.
Or even when she's staring, I'm driving off crying because I'm trying to keep my mind,
you know, I can't got it.
So I end up months later, I ended up meeting my ex-wife and she, she was in the same, same

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church working at the same job.
Working the same job.
Yeah.
And so I ended up, we ended up getting married maybe seven months later.
Those seven months turned into 20 years, but I should not.
And I say this now, I should not have got married.
And I say that because I wasn't ready.
What happened was I was running from what I was dealing with and was trying to find

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comfort in getting married.
But see, I put my ex-wife in a position that she didn't know anything now.
The thing is later on, I found out my ex-wife had a lot of trauma before we got married
too.
So we both were, you know, but I knew, yeah, I knew.
And the reason I got married under the, the, the thing of because you in the church and

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you're dating, because you in the church and you're dating, you need to be married.
That is the biggest misconception that we can tell people.
Because you in the church and you need to get married.
Because sometimes that, that's not always, sometimes we married, we married the wrong
way.
And you'd be like, ah, man, now I'm in here.
How do I, how do I do it?

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But if you were just waiting on God, not to be preaching, but if you just waited on the
Lord, it would calm your blessing.
It would have went a whole other way.
Now, not that I'm grateful for my kids, they are a great blessing.
I love my children, but I say that to say, bitch, never let nobody pressure you into
doing something like that.
And a lot of time leaders would do that because they feel, oh, your date is somebody go here

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to get married.
Oh, that might not be there.
That's a problem.
You know, hold on, wait, wait.
And so I did that knowing I wasn't over Miss Spaghetti.
I knew I wasn't over her, but I jumped in and got married and figured I'm going to make
this happen.
I'm going to make it happen.
And the truth of the matter is for years, yeah, it kind of did because we were staying,

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I was staying so busy in ministry that I was blocking out a lot of the other stuff out
my mind used to dwell on.
So by this time now I'm starting to get busy in ministry.
I'm starting to sing in the choir.
I'm starting to now starting to preach and minister.
And it's like, okay, boom, boom, boom.
Now you got kids coming along the way.
You having children.
You trying to figure things out.

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So it helped to block out that noise from Miss Spaghetti.
But a lot of times it threw them out.
You know, sometimes, well, not sometimes, a lot of times you argue for us.
I'm just calling what it is.
I'll be first and stuff.
And I knew that I was just tired.
I'm tired.
You know, I'm trying to talk and not hear me.
And when you live in, and I'm going to put it out there today, bro, when you live with

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somebody that's a narcissist, it's hard.
It's hard.
It's hard because they see no wrong in themselves.
You're always wrong.
And there was times when I said, we have to talk and we have to communicate.
I said, if there's something that was about me, I said, if I said, if it's my weight,
if I'm whatever, I'm trying to put it all out there, brother.

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I'm trying to put it all out there.
Let's try to get, and it was always no, no, no, no, no.
And I'm like, I'm walking around here all day.
I'm like, I know there's something, you know, when there's something, you know, whenever
the room shift, you feel it, the energy is off.
Right.
So I'm like, I'm being fended for my, and then what happened was the intimate part of

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the marriage started falling off.
So when it would go a couple of weeks, it would go months.
Then it went from months to I think COVID, it went a whole year.
And I'm like, I'm like, wait a minute, a whole year.
And I can't even look, and look, bro, I didn't even want to, it didn't even have to go to
the next level.
Let me just hold your hand.
Let me get a hug.
I couldn't even get, I couldn't get, no, no, no, no.

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What?
Yeah.
What?
And so when you have, when you have that going on, and even still, I still kept it, I still
try to keep it there.
Okay, fine.
All right.
Whatever.
Now I will submit to you, I'm going to be, I'm going to be transparent today.
I'm going to be transparent today.
So through those periods that that didn't happen, the enemy came in.

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And I started looking at porn.
Porn became an addiction because what I wouldn't get fulfilled in my marriage.
Now I'm turning to porn.
I'm trying not to step outside and be with somebody in the physical, but yet porn is
still another form of pulling, you know what I'm saying?
A pull to you to a whole nother place.
And so I'm like, I don't understand it.

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Now, mind you, I'm preaching, thinking, doing things in the ministry, go home.
And this is what I feel.
And it's like, so I show up in church one way.
I go home, they don't have no idea what I'm dealing with behind closed doors, you know.
And so this went on, went on, went on.
She got a promotion on the job.
And then when I saw it got worse, when she went up in the corporate, it even got even

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worse than that.
And by then I was like, I'm done.
I went to a place of sitting in my old room and I was just looking at the TV like I was
just, I would just sit there.
I had bought me a recliner to put in the back room and I would just sit there and just stare
at the wall.
Just look, just look.
And by that time, when you open a door for the enemy to come in, oh no, you ain't got

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the door, excuse me, a crack.
One little crack is all he needs.
And he'll find that crack and he'll keep working on that crack until he gets this big.
All he needs is that little much to get in.
And sure enough, brother, by that time I done had depression sitting in.
I done had loneliness come in.
Rejection then came in, self-esteem then came in, all of these things that happen, which

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opens the door to all other things that happen.
By this time I done tapped out completely.
I'm tapped out now.
By then I'm tapped.
And so I go, the Instagram started becoming a thing then.
It was, it was just kind of started to bubble.
And on Instagram, who do I see?
Miss Forget.

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She has an Instagram account.
So I'm already, I'm done.
I'm done with the marriage.
I'm about to just, I'm finished with it.
I had made enough.
Now I told her we need to split for a minute, whatever, just another.
I thought it went over smooth.
No.

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Women have this thing where they're like, yeah, okay, all right.
Then they come back around and it's like, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
And that's what happened.
And so, and so I was like, so we did that.
And then we went to, right after that, we went to counseling with my former pastor.
And when we went there, it was like a whole lot of just back and forth, back and forth,

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back and forth.
And I told him, now I was so close to him.
I used to call him Pop.
You can say Pop, you know, whatever.
And I told him at this particular time, I said, I said, Pop, this don't make no sense.
I said, I don't mean no disrespect, sir.
I said, but what business does it make or sense doesn't make for my wife to come to

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you when it's time for her to have sex with me?
Right.
This is exactly what I told him in his house.
And I said, I don't mean no disrespect.
I said, I'm married to her.
She's married to me.
Why is she coming to you when it's appropriate to be with her husband?
I said, no, but that night we got nothing resolved.
And he said, you know what, after all was said and done and the argument, even in his

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house, he said, yeah, y'all need to split for a while.
Y'all have some things to work on.
But brother, when we separated, we never got that together.
When we separated, we stayed separated till we ended up getting divorced.
Like I was saying, by this time, daddy even popped up on the ground and I'm saying hey
to her.
And I reached out to her because her daughter had a little girl.

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And I was like, congratulations on being a great grandmother, boom, boom, boom.
But that opened the door again for me and Spagetti, just by me.
And I knew one time I reached out on the book and I said, forgive me for, and later on I
found out she didn't respond because she thought it was my ex-wife trying to see if she was

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going to respond to it.
And so that was one time that I did that.
Then when the gram, like I was saying, when the gram came around and I respect out this
time, the conversation was different.
So by this time, I'm going through the separation.
I'm about to be out the door.
So now I'm really entertaining Miss Spagetti again.
But it started with the phone calls, the reaching out to us.

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Once I left the house, when I left the house, and was sleeping in my, I was in at the time.
When I left, I was going from hotel room to whole hotel room, then Spagetti showed up.
When Miss Spagetti showed up, we done spun the block.
It was like 2000 all over again.
So now there's separation that's going on.

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Now Miss Spagetti is back in the picture.
So I got all of this happening.
The separation, now the ex-wife saying divorce, now Spagetti is saying, that's why I got all
of this happening.
And at the same time, it's like I'm being pulled.
The more Spagetti spoke, the more it's like her voice was the gospel.
Nobody could tell me nothing.
Nobody could say she was wrong.

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Nobody could say she was in error.
Nothing.
But she has this persuasive or had this persuasive way of bending your mind to conform to what
she wanted it to conform to, if I'm making sense.
And anytime you bend somebody's will to do some kind of other intent that's not conducive,

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that's witchery.
And I didn't use the label at that, but when I thought about it, I said, but if it's due
to something contrary to doing good and doing something, brother, there were times I had
her on the phone listening to me and me and my ex-wife was going back and forth.
And she would text me and say, say this, say that, say this, and ask this.
She had that much mind control over me, bro.

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That much control.
And so I didn't learn a whole lot about what it was until I met Sabrina, the one I'm into.
When I met Sabrina, Sabrina was getting some stuff with me.
She said, no.
She was like, Nate, no, that's a whole nother thing there.
I've had leaders pronounce stuff over me.

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My former pastor pronounced something over me.
That it took somebody on the other side of the church to tell me that's witchcraft.
That's what made me get so enamored with what it was about because this person who said
never received that from nobody speaking over your life, especially something that's cursed.
They told me, bro, that if I ever left them the ministry, that everything I touched was

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going to crumble.
Wow.
That's a curse on you, man.
A curse, yeah.
Anything I, anything, I'm getting chills telling me, anything that I touched will crumble.
The snakes were going to hiss at me when I walked by.
Nothing I do was going to prosper.
And as I sat there, I laughed it off because I was unknowingly, I thought they were just
saying something.

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But that one member on the other side of the church after service came to me and said,
don't you ever receive nothing like that from nobody spoken over your life ever again.
From that person, from that person introduced me to books of spiritual warfare, books from
Africa, books from pastors and leaders that deal with that kind of thing on a regular

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daily basis.
And it made me open my eyes to a whole lot, lot of things.
But when it came to Miss Spaghetti, I was dumbfounded.
I had the teaching and the knowledge of what it was.
By this time, I didn't have the books, I didn't have the information.
But when it came through, when we spun that block again, and I done done, you know, the
gram and all of that and met her, we done met back up after that 20 year gap because

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I was married for 20.
So after that was going off, she popped back on the scene.
It's like, boom.
I heard somebody say this and I'm trying not to be brief.
I heard somebody say this.
You know, when you're ready for your future, when your past won't, won't shoot back.
Your future is waiting for you.
It's ready for you.
I kept spinning the block.

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And when I spent the block this time with Miss Spaghetti, brother, it was hard to get
away.
This time it's tougher because I end up having now I'm at a place where I have my own place.
So now she can come and wheel.
I have my own place.
She can stay as long as she wants.
Now it changes everything though, right?

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It changes everything.
And so there was something she said to me that made me really believe that it was Spritz
Craft.
She kept saying that I can feel you.
I didn't know what that meant.
She said, she said, I can feel you.
What's going on?
I can see you.
And I was like, what?
You can feel me.
Cause I never heard that.
She said, Nathan, I can feel you.
I was like, what do you mean?
I really feel you.
And she would go in to saying whatever, whatever.

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And I was sitting there and out with me because there was a church.
I said, oh, well, that's probably, you know, the Lord, there's so, you know, what's going
on?
And she said, I can feel you.
I can feel you.
And she would go in to saying whatever, whatever.
And I was sitting there and out with me because there was a church.
I said, oh, well, that's probably, you know, the Lord, there's so, you know, but you know,
we don't know how we do.
Oh, the Lord does so.
But from that, from that and from times we were, we were doing what, what we do.

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And I heard you say this in one of your clips, you have to be mindful even in that time,
what you say, why you engage and what we're engaging.
And there was a lot of things that were said, like, you know, how we do this and nobody
else and you'll be forever and all kinds of things.
And they said what really was eye opening and I'm cutting, this is 20 years, so I'm

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cutting it, pacing a lot, bro, forgive me.
They said something to me.
They said, you would never find a woman like me ever that can do you like I can do you.
That made me say, what?
They said you would never.
She said, Spaghetti said, I'm the only one that has the oil for your life.
No other woman.
That's crazy.

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When I shared that with Sabrina, Sabrina said, no.
Yeah.
No, no.
I said, I was shocked she even said that.
So when she said that, bro, it really, but she, it was like, she didn't send it off to
me at once.
It was like every now and then certain stuff.
But when she said that, I was like, what?
Nobody, nobody?
I would never.

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I said, okay.
And so that's when I was like, no, you need to reverse, you know, return the center, you
know, you know, you know, whatever.
And I remember times where I would, we'd be laying in the bed, man.
And at four o'clock she could wake up and just start talking like we're doing now.
I'm like, it's four o'clock in the morning.
Lay down.

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What are you doing?
It's four o'clock.
And she would just raise up and go back to sleep.
It was the strangest thing ever.
Or I would be laying in bed and I wake up and they're staring at me.
That was the, bro.
That was the most eerie.
I was like, so I would be laying there and it's like, I can hear a voice say, wake up
and I'll open one eye and just stare at it.

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I was like, and so I remember one time they did it.
I said, what are you doing?
She was like, you know what I'm saying?
She was like, I said, yeah.
From three to five, is it?
Something like that, from three to five?
And I was like, from 12 to something like that.
Yeah.
And I'm like, what are you doing?
But it was like clockwork every morning.
They would get up just like that and they would just da da da da da da da da da da da
da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da
And just go back or they'll be staring at you like this.

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Just the strangest thing.
Oh, nothing.
Nothing.
And so I remember her mentioning to me about astral projection where you can peek into
your mind and you can travel freely.

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It can happen when you're half sleep, but it's essentially when your spirit leaves
your vessel and you enter the spirit world and you can travel freely.
Yes.
So I worked with some people, some nurses who told me they have friends that do it.
And I said, really?
So I said, so that's the thing.
She was like, oh yeah.
Yeah.
I had a friend of mine, African-American from Kenya and she was a sheriff.
She was like, yeah.

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She said, I have plenty of friends that do that.
And I was like, no way.
And so she was like, yeah, you can literally.
So Spaghetti said she's familiar with it.
So her ex-husband's family did what they did in different things where she felt at one
time she told me that they put something on her because for 30 days she wasn't able to

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use the restroom.
Wow.
So she had to physically take her hand and make herself go because she couldn't.
She believed that his wasn't put something in the food.
Hold on.
What you mean?
Yeah.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Yeah.
That guy told me about it.
Yes, sir.
I thought I had it bad.
Yeah.
I thought I had it bad.

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Yeah.
So when she told me that, I was like, what?
She said, yeah, I had to take my hand and go up there and physically remove it because
it's something that they put in the food.
And so I'm not as strange as myself because I had two aunts that used to do it.
They used to dibble in that.
I had one in Jersey that's passed away and my other aunt that was here in the state of

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North Carolina that passed, before she stopped though, she converted her life over.
I don't know what it is that she saw or whatever that might have scared her to the point where
she said, OK, I got to leave this alone completely.
So I'm not a stranger to it.
But when she told me that, I said, OK, I never heard that.
She said I had to physically make myself go by taking my hand.

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So I know that it's in their circle or it's in their, you know.
And so I was like, oh, wow.
So we bring it to the food while I call her Miss Spaghetti.
So I was at Amazon.
You know, I had a whole list of jobs.
Amazon was, I was there at one time and she made spaghetti.

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She made spaghetti.
And brother, I ate the whole pot.
I ate the whole pot of spaghetti.
And she was like, you ate the whole pot?
I was like, yeah.
So she was like, I'm going to make you some more.
I didn't think nothing of it.
I was like, hey, it was good.
You know, she said, but I'm going to make, I'm going to make you know.
Now, being who I am, I know they used to say, you know, women that have whatever, they

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put blood in the food and all this kind of stuff.
And I was thinking was, since she had this particular thing with her body and she don't
have them, I'm good.
However, we know there are other ways.
It gets the blood.
Yeah, there's other ways it gets the blood.
Yeah, there's other ways.
And you can, whether it's semen or some kind of bodily fluid or some kind of, yeah.

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And so, yeah.
And so I don't, I was like, but I didn't think about that then.
I think, oh, she can't have this, that, and the other stuff.
But now later on, I'm like, well, what could they have put in?
So again, it goes back to Sabrina telling me, she was like, you ate this?
I said, I did.
She was like, no.
I was like, yeah, I did.
She was like, you know, it could have been, I was like, ah.

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She said, did you eat a lot of it?
I said, all the time.
She said, did you ever see her cook?
I was like, no.
And brother, I'd never seen her cook it.
She said, did she ever eat it with you?
I said, one time when I was there with them, they ate it, but no.
A lot of times they were bringing the food to me.
She was like, no, I don't.
She was like, they, ah.

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I think, you know, so to go on what happened, as far as me being here where I am now,
and like I said, me having my own place, and we did devil and devil,
and me going to church and at the same time.
Now, all this is going on, and I'm still an elder.
I'm still, you know, but by this time, after my divorce, I have left my old church.
Me and my former pastor, we weren't clicking.

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When the divorce happened, I felt like, for me, I felt like he chose sides.
I'm just being honest.
I feel like he chose sides.
And I was like, you know, when I hear stuff coming across the pulpit, to all leaders,
you know, sometimes I feel like it's just private.
Let's keep it private.
Certain things.
Right, right, right.
Certain, so I've been hearing certain things, and it's something when my mother is on the other side of the church,
and she's looking back here at me like this, and I'm looking at her like this,

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like, you know where it's coming from, right?
So I'm like, OK, I want to stay in church, but I just need to move.
And so I didn't make a whole lot of noise, bro.
I didn't make a whole, I didn't make a scene.
I left quietly.
I went to somewhere else.
That's where I'm at now.
And so I haven't really ministered.
Well, I can't say I haven't really ministered, because a lot of what I do now is like this,
or it's on the outside.

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It's in the marketplace, but I'm encouraging somebody, or I'm trying to lift somebody,
or give somebody hope, whatever it is.
It's not so much now in the pyramids of the four walls.
It's more so now when I run into somebody and something's going on,
or I just try to speak life into people, right?
And so I left, and when I left there, where I'm at now,

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so I haven't ministered behind a pulpit setting really in maybe five or six years.
And so all of this is going on with spaghetti in my own place and all this kind of stuff.
And I'm like, I'm still in the elder at the end of the day.
I'm still, you know, pre-setting at the end of the day.
I'm still, you know, saying at the end of the day.
I'm still battling it.
One day in church, I heard it so clear.

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I heard these words, and the words were, cut it off.
That's what I heard, bro.
It was, cut it off, cut it off, cut it off.
You know, so I'm trying to, maybe my mind.
Right.
I'm going back with my head down.
I'm listening to the choir sing.
I hear it again, cut it off.
I stand up.
So thinking nothing of it, I hear it again.
By this time, I'm thinking in my mind, and the tears start to come out my eyes.

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So I'm like, I know what this is.
I don't know what this is.
I still fought with it.
For her, it wouldn't have stopped.
It would have kept going.
Everything that we was doing, it would have kept going.
But for me, when I heard that, I said, I have to stop,
because I was, man, we was doing what we were doing here.
Then I go right to the church I'm at now.

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Just like I had been doing in the past, I was repeating the cycle over and over.
And so when I said that to them, the last time they cooked for me,
and I know, I still ate it.
I still ate it.
This was April, April 20, 24th, before Easter.
They asked me whether I wanted it, and I said, I'm thinking we could be cool.
So I didn't think that about it.
I was like, I just want a meal for Easter.

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That's some ham and collard greens and something just a home cook.
They're like, OK, cool.
That ain't no problem.
Brother, she cooked all of that.
Yeah.
All of that.
She cooked every bit of it.
Did I eat it?
Yeah, just about.
I ate just about all of it.
I did.
I ate just about all of it.
And that was the last time she cooked anything.

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But that's also the last time she still put in this place.
Because from there, and I did that with the food,
it's still, God was dealing with me so strongly that I said,
the best thing for us to do is you stay on your side.
And I stayed on my side.
Because when you can even come visit, we end up doing extra stuff.
And I said, I can't.
I said, I'm trying to.
I said, for one, and this is what I told her.

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I said, for one, you are whole profit.
I'm a elf.
We're hindering one another by doing what we're doing with the call on your life and mine.
And I got some kickback, bro.
I got some resistance.
It was some kickback, but God understands.
God knows.
You can be in church, and this may not be for them, but for anybody,

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you could be in church so long that we can throw them scriptures out there
and we try to make them fit whatever scenario we need.
But it's still wrong.
I don't care how you can flip it how you want to.
It's still, to them to know to do good and not is sin.
No matter how you try to flip it, no matter how you know, I'm like, no, we can't.
So her thing was, so you're going to just stay away from me.

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I said, if this is what it takes for us to live a life like it's supposed to live,
I'm going to have to do it.
Now, it was not easy.
It was not easy.
Again, I was fighting.
I had some fight and some resistance.
And one day, I think that somebody in the family got sick.
We had stopped talking.
Somebody in the family got sick, and I reached back out.
So when I reached back out, the energy was different.

(47:34):
Now the energy shifted.
And I was like, so why you call me?
So what's wrong?
It's kind of one of those things.
I was like, well, you know, I heard, you know, you know, you keep going through this,
that, and the other and all of this.
Now, when they were more open with me, they were being guarded.
Right.
You know, I really got to say so much to you.
Really, really.
And so I'm like, OK, so, you know, so what's up now?

(47:55):
Me at that time, I'm literally fishing because I'm missing them.
Let me just be real.
I'm missing them.
And I'm trying to see if we still at least got some whatever.
She would have came over.
I'd have been in trouble again.
I'm going to be honest.
I'd have been in trouble again because that thing was that strong.
But I was, I was reaching.
Let me be honest.
I was reaching because there's a lot of what I come to find out.

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There's a lot of shadow work we all have to do.
We got some shadow work we all have to do.
One of mine, the biggest one for me is Lus.
Lus is one of the biggest for me.
Me saying a pretty woman and she's like, forget about it.
I'm gone.
I'm gone.
She better not have, she better not have no deal with you.
I'm in trouble.
I got to pray.
Lord, Jesus help.

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I got to listen.
Help me Lord because yeah, she better not have no deal with you.
She better not smile.
She better not be submissive.
I'm in trouble.
If she talk like she, yes, sir, I'm going, I'm going to blow it.
So we all, listen, we all got some, yes, we all got some work that we, you know, that we have to do some, some, some.

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I need, I got some ego work.
I have to be, you know, have to work on my ego, pride, different things like that.
But the shadow work, those things that are, that envy, that lust and all that greed, all those things.
My biggest lust, that was I could, my father was a player.
He was just, he was just who he was.
And I didn't think I had it like that, but yeah, I don't care because he better not give any.

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I'm like, oh my goodness.
I want that man when I was married.
It was, you know, I'm good.
But being a single man, it's tough when you're married too, because you're like, okay, yeah.
But when you're single, right, you know, oh my gosh.
So I was reaching, I was trying to see, but it felt like the energy where I had had shifted and changed.
And so she was, it's something about how she would start an argument.

(49:49):
I felt like, now, like, why you, what are we arguing about?
It's like, it was always friction or something.
Why are we arguing?
Whatever.
And I said, I don't, I said, I felt like she was trying to push me out or push me away or whatever.
I could never put my head on it.
One night I wanted to see him, see him bad.
I wanted to just talk.
It probably would have led to something else.

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I wanted to talk.
They told me, they said, I don't know how to get to your house.
I said, wait a minute.
You've been here, stayed here, ate here, slept here.
And now this is the kicker, bro.
The daddy lives 20 miles from where I live at.
20, 20 miles.
I told them, I said, I can literally go to where you are and find it.
I said, how is it you can't find where I live?

(50:33):
I said, mmm.
Thank God.
Okay.
So I said, okay.
I think you're trying to tell me something.
I said, okay, cool.
So we had a little blowout then.
And I think I was sharing with you, one of the worst things you can do when you have a disagreement or whatever you have going on, even if individuals was home, is go to social media and post it.
That's a, that's a thing.
We were going to the book and we'll throw shade or we'll throw subliminals.

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And I'm like, it was five minutes, you were just something, you post this?
So that was my reason for blocking them on the book.
I went to the gram, five, six minutes apart, you post something else.
I said, here we go.
Block them on the gram.
So for me to get away this time, I had to block them everywhere.
From phone, Facebook, from Instagram, anywhere they can get up and get up with me, I had to block them.

(51:21):
That still didn't make it easy.
Even with me trying to block them, there was a lot of times that I wanted to unblock.
And I did.
Even if it was for three minutes, four minutes, five minutes, whatever.
I was like, I just got to hear them.
I got to hear their voice.
I got to hear that.
That soul type thing is so strong.
Yeah.
It is so strong.
Very.

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No matter, yeah.
No matter the length of time, bro, I still was like, I got to hear from them.
I got to see them.
I got to da da da da.
It was showing up and it was showing up in my work ethic.
It was in a flat.
So my sergeant was like, what's wrong with you?
Because I'll be at work, but I'll be like, it's just basic.

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I'm just there, bro.
I'm just there.
It's like, yeah, it's like I'm just there and I can't really, I'm trying to get through.
And my sergeant was like, you need to get yourself together.
We don't do that around here.
I'm like, Star, it's not that easy.
It's not that easy.
Yeah, it is.
You need to shake that off.
You know, that's what it was like.
You need to shake that off.
You know, what happened happened da da da da da.

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Even with hearing all of that, bro, it would get good for a minute and then it would come
back.
It would get good for a minute and I start missing.
It would get good for a minute and I start missing.
I feel like I can make it and it come at the end.
Right.
So that went on for a little bit, but I started having night visions.
I would wake up in the middle of the morning and feel like they're in the house.
Right.
And for whatever reason, there would be a bunch of mornings I would get up and it was

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like, if I didn't know any better, they was either in the bed with me or they either spoke
in my ear all night because I would get up and my whole day would just be off.
Yeah.
And I would be walking around in the room like, they must have been.
I mean, I would literally think that they was in the house.
Right.
Because I'm like, she must have been here last night or something.
I'm like, what is going on?
And I went through my life coach, he said, I believe that while you're sleeping, your

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name is being chanted or your name is being mentioned while you're resting.
So while we're sleeping, things are going on while we're sleeping.
You know, the Bible speaks, yeah, you know, yeah.
So, you know, the Bible speaks on that while me is sleeping.
The enemy came and planted tears in the field.
We're sleeping and people are doing stuff while we're sleeping.

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I'm like, it's amazing.
I'm up, cool when I go to bed, I wake up with them on my mind, like heavy, like real heavy.
And so I told Sabrina this, I had a vision.
I had a dream, a vision that she, this was a couple of months ago, bro.
I had this dream.
We was in a room.
She was on one side and I was on the other.

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But between us was a black figure.
The black figure was talking to me and wouldn't let me talk to her.
I didn't tell Sabrina.
I told a little bit Sabrina, Sabrina said that's somebody else in the picture.
But now after talking to more with her, that was that spirit spouse.
Yeah.
That when you get, try to get it, it's like when you get ready to show no fault, fault,

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fall in love, he shows them, say, no, no.
So yeah, so it was right being in the business.
So I kept wondering, I said, what was that?
I knew it was demonic.
But I kept saying, what was that?
So now that I thought about it, I processed it.
That was a spirit spouse in between me and her.
That's why we don't, we get, bro, we get like, we about to, and then all of a sudden.

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So let me ask you this.
So while you were sleeping, did you ever get sexually attacked in your sleep?
Like, did you ever have like wet dreams?
Did you wake up with bite marks on you, claw marks, scratches, things like that?
There were now not far as a wet dream.
I mean, there was times I woke up and my, I woke up and my arm was hurting.

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And it wasn't that I slept on it.
I probably would be laying like this, like my arms out.
This would be in pain or it would feel like somebody had been twisted or something.
But not so much as I can think of, as far as a wet dream.
Now, my ex-wife used to wake up like that.
Okay.
She woke up like that.
Now it was through the person from, from my old church that I told you who told me to not receive anything like that.

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That's spoken over.
It was her that told me she believed my ex-wife had a succubus.
I didn't even, yeah.
So I've been, I've been battling with something for a minute and I was like, what?
And a lot of times that's why I, I just have to be, I have to be honest.
That's why a lot of times the women that are single.
Yeah.

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For, for the lack, because they already married in the spirit to something else.
Oh yeah.
I studied spirit spouses after I got attacked by that, by love jar laces.
It was four o'clock in the morning.
Like you said, man, four o'clock and it hit me in the head while I was having a matter.
And I heard him say leave.

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It told me to leave.
And you know, I got up and I left.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like, Hey man, I ain't gonna argue with you.
I got up and I left and she ended up telling me later on that the thing had came to her
and essentially threatened her and told her, you know, if you don't leave this man alone,
I'm going to kill him and you won't have him.

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And we ended up falling out later, but she continued to deal with me.
And she told me that the more she dealt with me, the closer, the closer the thing would
be getting to me.
The last time she saw it, it was standing directly behind me.
This woman shut down.
She shut down to like a child.
She borrowed up in the feeding position, man.

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And she was just rocking.
I'm talking about trauma.
And so I understand.
I understand.
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was the most.
It was the most real thing to me.
I said, man, what in the world?
It literally felt like somebody in the room or, or, or, or, or I was in my bed.
Now what I started doing or I not starting with what I did do because she had a lot of

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items left around here.
I took them items and I got rid of them.
Everyone on whether it was no matter was a bag or shirt or, or things like that, it was
laying around and she had, there was even a pillow.
I forgot that there was a pillow she bought that was in my bed.
And as I prayed, God started revealing certain things to me to get rid of.

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That was what the beginning of me breaking free this time.
I said, I kept praying.
I said, there's a pill that she bought.
I said, no wonder.
Cause it's like, I kept having these dreams every night.
Or I get up like I was saying, I get up and I feel like she's in the room.
I said, the pillow.
I took that pillow, threw it out.
I go in the closet.
I saw shoes and stuff.
She all this kind of stuff.
I thought I'd get rid of that.

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So I started getting rid of stuff and got rid of it.
Now, as I said, I don't have those dreams like that no more.
The only one I did have was the one that I said, what you just said about her on one
side and me on me on the other side.
That shadowy figure in the middle.
And I never thought about it until the other day that that was, that is a spirit spouse

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standing between me and her.
Part of me wants to reach out and tell her, I don't know if she will receive it.
I haven't spoke to her.
And so that's when we had the falling out was September of last year, but she
haven't been here physically since April of last year.
So we kind of, but the last time we spoke and that was a bad, that was a bad, it was
a bad engagement.

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So I really want to reach out.
I don't know how she would receive it though.
But I saw that vision.
God has never given me a dream like that before.
Not like that where there's something between that city.
And I mean, me and the spirit spot in the vision, we were having a conversation.
We were just having a conversation.
I was like, and she was on the other side of the room silent, just walking back and

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forth.
Like she wanted to come over, but she couldn't.
And I said, I wanted to share with her.
And I said, I don't know if she would receive it.
What was the spirit spouse saying to you?
Because the first thing came to mind when you said, because it's crazy how similar our
stories are, but I get all the first thing came to mind when you said something was standing

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in the middle.
If it didn't attack you or the first thing came to mind on an angel or an ancestor or
a spirit, God or just your, your protecting angel.
It's a spirit that protects over you.
So if it's standing in the middle and she was pacing, I'm thinking she pacing, trying
to figure out how to get around that spirit to get to you.
Wow.

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Wow.
Wow.
Okay.
I'm thinking she pacing, trying to circumvent the thing in the middle.
And if it's talking to you and it's not attacking you, maybe it's to try to help you.
Wow.
That's the first thing came to mind because spirit spouses are violent.
There was not.
And then, I mean, this, this is just my personal experience.
You know, when there was not one time where me and that girl spirit spouse had a conversation,

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every time it saw me, it attacked me.
It either attacked me or, or it would get to her and tell her you kick him out now or
you eat or I'm going to take him out.
It was, it was very, very protective of her because the thing about the light and the
dark man, when you bring them two together and they trying to coexist, either the dark

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going to pull you or the light going to pull you.
So, me and this girl got together.
I've been, I've been gifted since I can remember.
I come from a family of prophets and women of God.
So, I grew up watching people get demons called out of them and all of that.
I don't know what it is to be normal.
So I began to teach her about God because that's who I am.

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You're not going to talk to me long enough.
I'm going to bring up God.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
I'm telling her about God.
I'm telling her, Hey, go do this.
You know, I got this girl in therapy.
She in therapy getting healed about her trauma.
She, she praying now.
And when that spirit spouse got wind of that, man, it started tying her and me up.

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Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
She would go through this phase once, one week out of every month.
And I think part of the contract or whatever she had with this spirit spouse is for this
thing to inhabit her body for a week because she would always tell me every month during
the same week of every month.
Hey, I can't, I can't see you right now.
I can't see you right now.

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I feel like we should take a little time apart.
But I'm like, I want to know what this thing is.
And I asked God, I said, God, I want you to show it to me, but don't let it harm me.
This girl came over my house, man.
And this thing sat on my couch.
I will never forget it.
Her eyes were jet black.
And I'm looking at this thing, man, and it's so much hatred being spewed at me.

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My stomach started turning inside out.
I'm sweating.
I'm shaking.
I'm in the presence of something very demonic.
And I'm trying to just talk to her.
And all I can hear is God saying, stop, stop.
You're not getting through.
And I just sat down and just stared at me.
It was a predatory stare.

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You know, it was a predatory stare.
And whatever was in front of me wasn't human.
And a couple of days later, we spoke again and we had a conversation.
And we spoke about it.
And she explained to me what it was.
She said it was, the spirit was, how it appeared to her, it was a black shadow figure with
yellow eyes and a yellow smile.

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It was always smiling.
I don't know what there was.
I looked into that after that, man.
I couldn't find anything on it.
But whenever it came near her, she shut down.
She shut down.
And I never saw it, but I always felt it.
I always felt it.
And it was bad, man.
So that's why I was saying, if it was a spirit's boss and standing in between you and her,

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it probably would have attacked you.
I'm thinking it was an angel trying to save you from her coming over to that side.
Because she pacing trying to figure out how to come get you.
It's just blowing my mind.
I'm literally blown right now.
I'm literally, my mind is blown, bro.
My mind is blown right now.
It's just blown because everybody, well, not everybody, a lot of times when me and her

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were out, they would ask how long we've been married.
We're not married.
We were married, but they were like, how long y'all been married?
How long?
And they would stop and stare, then speak, whether we was out eating or come up.
One person, we was in the mall.
One lady, one Hispanic lady, got off the elevator in the mall.
And I've never seen this before, bro.

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She walked, got right in front of me and her, and she stopped.
She said nothing.
And she just stopped and she did this.
And I'm thinking, do you know her?
You know, in my mind, I'm thinking, do you know her?
But this lady says nothing.
I'm like, this is the strangest thing.
And she stood there for a minute.
And I'm like, is it somebody on the other side?
But she was looking at me and her and she just stood there.
And I was, and I said it with my mind.

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I thought, I never had that happen.
She said what it was.
She saw the spirit's boss standing behind her.
Yep.
Blew my mind.
It blew my mind right now, because I said no way.
She was like, Nate, yeah, that's why she stood there like that.
And I said, that's never happened.
Usually people will speak, how long you been married,
who you were with, this, that, and the other.

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This Hispanic woman stood flatfoot in front of us
and just stopped, like she was gazing and she stopped.
And I'm looking at her, she's not saying anything.
So I'm like, you know, because women, you know,
sometimes women will pop off, like, you know,
what's wrong with you, you know?
But she's not saying nothing.
So I'm like, what is going on?
So that was something spiritual going on.

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I didn't even, I was so gone because I had who I had with me.
I was thinking about, you know, the spiritual part,
because it's a spiritual battle anyway.
All this is spiritual.
And I'm not thinking that it might have been something said
that I didn't even hear.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, so there was something said.
It's exchanging words.
Yeah, there's something going on, because I'm like looking at her,
looking at the prince, looking at them both.

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And I'm like, what's going on?
Even after that, she never acknowledged that it was strange.
Yeah.
So I'm sitting down.
So by this time, we sitting down on the bench in the mall,
I'm like, what in the world was, you know, I'm like,
what in the world was going on with that?
She just kind of like, it was nothing.
It's something strange that happened.
You kind of try to dissect it, try to go into it.
But it was like she didn't want to go into it.

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I didn't ever think about that either, to after the fact.
Well, to things like where I am now.
And I'm like, I don't know why we never discussed that when it happened.
We discussed everything else, or how people say,
how long you been married, how did it?
But we never talked about that incident when that happened.
Right.
That lady stood probably no more than five, five, two, five, three.
And she just stared.

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And I said, I never thought about a spirit
that's been standing behind.
Because when you like, like I was saying earlier,
bro, when you think church and ministry,
we think that that is good.
But no, it don't.
It don't.
It don't mean you exclude it from being attacked from the hand
of the enemy or going through tribal civilations.
In this life, we're going to have them.
We're going to have tribal civilations.
The Bible tells us that.
But I'm saying, just because we say, oh, you're in the church,

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that this can't happen.
Because some people, a lot of people, we come from all walks of life.
And so I'm thinking, in my mind, I'm thinking, oh, they're in the church.
This can't be.
Because I've seen them operating their gifted.
I've seen them see life in the people.
And they cry and break down and all this kind of stuff.

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And right at the flip of a gun, they can snap back
and you don't even know who they are.
Yeah.
It's a crazy thing.
It's like, wait a minute.
What you just?
And they were just crying at night.
I can't put my hand on it.
And I'm like, wow.
So the gifted is all, you know, the gifted call it all
without repeaters.
That gifted is there.
But then they were flipping this like nothing.

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Like, you do know?
I'm like, OK, all right.
But the favorite dismayed woman, she was the only one that ever
done that just when we were out.
That stopped this there like that.
And it just freaked me out.
Because I was like, all right, what are we doing here?
You know, we're in the middle of the mall, all these people.
And you just, you know.

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And I think I did try to say something
to this dismayed lady like, good evening.
She said nothing.
She didn't pull her mouth.
She didn't say anything.
She just gazed at Mr. Gatton and just looked.
She just stared.
And it wasn't until the journey I'm on now that I
come to find out, yeah, she was looking at that spit
frist, I was behind her.
No way.
During the time you ever, did you ever go to God

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and ask God to reveal to you what it was
that you was going through?
Because I know for me, God gave me signs along the way.
And with me and my wife, so I prayed to God for my wife.
When I was 16, I went on a four year fast.
No sex, no none of that crazy.
It's just me and God.

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Yeah.
At the end of that fast, I got money.
I got a car.
I'm stable.
I said, God, I want my wife.
At the end of the four years.
I told God, I said, I want my wife.
I said, the woman that you made for me, send it to me.
Yeah.
And he did.
And it's ironic, man, because I met my wife in the mall too.

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No way.
Oh, wow.
And when I saw her, I knew right away.
Yeah.
She's my wife.
And I never knew.
It's my first time being, man.
I'm young, man.
So I never, I always thought that when
God brings a marriage together, that it's this divine,
peaceful, beautiful thing.

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Yeah.
I never thought that the devil would attack it so hard.
I never thought that the devil would
be able to attack it so hard.
Yes, sir.
I fasted four years.
My wife didn't fast.
So she was still unhealed and pissed off and traumatized.
I'm here.
I'm here ready to give myself to her.

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And when I met my wife, my wife wasn't even a believer.
So I'm like, I'm like, God, you sure?
So I say that because there was a lot of doubt in the beginning
as well for me and my marriage.
And that's what caused me and her to separate.
Because when she got pregnant, she went through postpartum
and she became a mean black woman.
I understand.
Yeah.
You became a mean black woman, man.

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She treated me like I was a speck of dust
on the bottom of her shoe.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
She refused to get help.
You know, she just got worse and worse and worse.
So we separated.
And when we separated, I met Lovejoy Lacey.
She took me through what she took me through.
And I learned so much from her.

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I learned so much from her.
But my question, I kind of went off topic.
But my question is, did you ever ask God what it
was that was happening to you?
Because he revealed, he showed me on multiple occasions
this woman at her altar with candles, hands like this,
praying to her altar, conjuring stuff up for me plenty of times.

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Right, right.
No doubt in my mind that that's what she was doing.
She even tried to kill my wife.
And then my wife had a vision, you know,
and it was revealed to her that, you know,
the girl sent something for her to try to kill her
to leave me alone.
So wow, wow.
It was a lot, man.
You know, I never asked God what it was or anything.

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I just kept going on the premise of, this is not right.
So I didn't never go to God.
And pretty much, I believe that I was afraid for him
to show me.
So I didn't never ask him.
I was just like, OK, I just need to cut it off.
I need to cut it off.
Because I felt like, for me, I feel like if we're both,

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and this was my thinking, bro, I feel like we're both
in the church, how is it God dealing with me
and not you about it?
Right, right.
He's dealing with me and he's not
dealing with you about it.
What is?
And how are you justifying this and feeling that it's right
and we both know we're out of order?
How is it?
So if anything, I try to be a stickler of order
when it pertains to the, I'm not always good at it, of course.

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But I try to, you know.
But it's 20-something years ago, I'm like, OK, God,
you spoke to my former pastor to say this is not the one.
And then the member's showing me on a conveyor belt
and getting zipped up in a bag.
OK, boom, I walked away.
Da-da-da, this that and other.
Now here I am 20-something years later.

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I'm right back with this person.
And now they're not married.
And here I am at that time when we was dealing.
I was going through, I was about to hit the divorce.
I was separated.
So I'm going through.
So I'm like, you telling me to cut it off again?
Now in my mind, I'm trying to rationalize with God.

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Is it because of I'm not completely divorced
or because of this is just not the one?
Now what is, you know, it's like what we don't.
Yeah, so it's like what we don't want, we won't.
So what we know is not no good for us.
We seem to go after that even harder.
And I knew that the way the situation was set up,
bro, I should have backed up.
But it's like the more I backed up, the more I wanted.

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And so I never really asked God specifically
or to ask him to show me.
But I kept thinking, I said something's not right.
Because we would get, like I say, bro,
we would get close, it felt like.
And then all of a sudden, stuff started happening.
But we get close for a minute
and then stuff started happening again.
And I'm like, I don't get it.
If I could call them like right now at three o'clock

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and by six o'clock something didn't happen.
I'm like, what is going on?
I think that's God trying to think.
I think by something always happening,
that is an answered prayer.
A lot of times we ask God for something
and then, you know, God may take a little while to do it,
but we'll ask about it and forget about it.
And forget about it, yeah.
And God, you know, we'll be living in an answered prayer

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and we ask it for something else, not realizing like,
we, you know, you know what I'm saying?
We're living in what we asked for a while back.
But I think you're living in an answered prayer, man.
And every time something come up,
there's God saying, back up.
Yeah, yeah.
And so it was like the more I backed up,
the more they applied pressure.

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I backed up the more they applied pressure.
And that's what happened.
That's what got me those years ago,
because even with me saying,
listen, that way you're married,
they even went even harder, it seemed like.
They went even harder.
It's like they could, in my eyes, they could do no wrong.
They knew everything to, they knew how to,
they knew how to make me sing, you know what I mean?

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They know how to make every, they hit every right note.
There was no wrong.
There was no wrong.
And so-
That's how the devil come to you, man.
He comes in the form of everything you think you want.
Yes, and it was like, oh man, this is,
this is what I'm trying to, I mean,
the personality was good.
The submissiveness was perfect.
All of this kind of stuff.

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And man, and like you said in your clip,
you have a woman that's submissive.
That's it.
I think you're-
Hey, that's it, that's up.
That's up, man.
That's it, that's up.
That's up.
Submissive, forget about it.
It's up, yeah.
With all gas and no breaks, man.
It's up, it's up.
It's like, no matter how you try to pull away,
it's like that thing, it's strong.

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And that's why I said with the soul,
I, with the, with the, the, the, the, the soul ties
and, and the, even the, the words,
the affirmation words we say when we're engaging,
all of these things, I didn't find out after the fact.
So I said, if I ever, you know, go around
or be in another relationship wherever they come,

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I'm mindful now of things I say or words of affirmation.
You know, what's up, bae and boo.
I'm like, I'm even careful with bae and boo now.
You ain't gonna give me all the bae and boo now.
So now I'm really careful with stuff
because we start those, those intimate play words,
start leaning into other things.
Start opening up.
So now I'm really careful, but those words,

(01:15:13):
like you said, when you were engaging
and what we engaged in and things.
And I was like, man, I said a lot of this.
I even made promises that I would never,
I would never leave and yeah, Sabrina did the same thing
you did, she said, yo!
Yeah, hey man.
That's not it right now.
That's essentially sex magic.
And a lot of time, man, you are creating contracts

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with words.
Yes.
Yeah, you're creating contracts with words, man.
Once they get you to come into that covenant, it's up.
You know what?
She told me one day when we had stopped,
cause like I said, we will be off and on
cause I kept trying to pull back.
And so one day I'm sitting in her house after we had,

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we had broke off and come back
and she was wondering about the silence and all of that.
This freaked me out too.
I had a bunch of occurrences, but this freaked me out.
This woman's spaghetti looked at me
and a tear came out her eye.
She said, don't ever do that again.
It wouldn't be good.
When she said that, I was like, what you mean?
I'm like, so what you saying?
I was like, yeah, yeah.

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I'm like, she was like, don't ever do that to me again.
It won't be good.
And the tear was going out of her eye
like a fatal attraction movie or something.
I was like, what was she talking about?
Yeah, I'm like, so what you mean?
And she just gave me this stare, like don't ever do it again.
And I'm like, so my mind was always inquisitive
but I never asked them, did they dibble or dabble?
I just heard some stuff they said

(01:16:38):
but I was piecing stuff together over the months and times.
And like I said, that I shared with Sabrina
and she was like, you know, Nate, this is, this is,
you know, something else.
It's not what you think.
And it's, she's not good.
You know, this is not good.
And I was like, I remember her looking at me saying that
it was the strangest look I ever seen, bruh.
Like don't ever do that to me again.

(01:16:59):
It just wouldn't be good.
And I was like, what?
Yeah, that's dangerous, man.
Right, and so with that being said, when she said that
and we reached the point where we are now,
I noticed like I was sharing,
I started having them night visions.
I get up and feel they in the high night.
So what it, and definitely, you know,
Sabrina was like, yeah, your name is being chanted around

(01:17:19):
or saying around or she's doing something.
Cause we can call people,
cause we can call people into orbit by just, you know,
keep, you know, and I was like, why is she on my mind?
Yeah, I was like, why is she on my mind so heavy?
I'm just, you know, she's like, yeah, your, your,
your name is being called in places.
Just saying the other than the third.
And I'm like, what?
What in the world?
You know, still, cause I'm trying to, again,
I'm on this journey, not that I didn't know.

(01:17:41):
I just tried to put it on them.
Cause I'm trying, I was trying not to accept the fact
that they would do that.
Right, I get it.
Yeah, I'm trying to be the, nah,
they wouldn't do that to me.
But the evidence is there.
There's some other, and they would do this.
See, I'm trying to get it all in.
So I'm bouncing around.
They would come and see me and take their hands and do this.

(01:18:04):
To you?
Yes.
And then, yeah, they, they were every time I'm like,
why are you in my face?
Why you?
And then they would take their hands and rub it in my hair.
And just.
That's your crown chakra.
Yeah.
And so they do this.
They did it all the time.
And they would just take my beard and do this.
And then they would do this.
Then there was one time that they would just bite me

(01:18:26):
for whatever reason.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Yeah, man.
It was just the strangest thing.
But I was like, they would take their whole hand
and just do this and just all in my face and stuff.
And I was like, what, what, what?
Did they ever have any oil on their hair?
They could have been anointing you,
demonically anointing you.
Not that I know of them having oil.
I remember them having something in their house.

(01:18:49):
There was like an oil.
It was an oil bottle, but they said it was all for your hair.
But it didn't look like oil for your hair to me.
It had like stems in it.
And it was a clear bottle.
No, no, you and I know it's a yellow color looking kind
of yellow, you know, the extra virgin, whatever oil.
So it was so weak, you know what I'm saying?

(01:19:11):
So I'm looking at this bottle of oil.
I'm like, but this is just for your hair to help,
you know, and sponsor your hair, da, da, da, da.
And I remember them putting that in my hair,
and I didn't even know it.
Yeah, they was trying to do something to your crown chakra.
Your different chakras in your body
are linked to certain aspects of you.
I don't know if your sleep is directly related

(01:19:31):
to your crown chakra, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Wow.
She would literally do that.
And I remember a time years ago, the first time
when we was doing what we did, and I was, like I said,
I was getting in, just getting in church and stuff.
I had a bottle of oil, and they was doing some stuff one day.
So I grabbed the oil, and I did like this.

(01:19:52):
And she said, she says, did you put oil on your hand?
I said, I sure did.
She was like, why you put oil on your hand?
I said, because something ain't right.
And this was way back, way back.
And I was like, why?
Why you put oil on?
But if I remember correctly, she never touched me that day.
We was just back and forth, but I put oil on my hand.
But I'm thinking, all right, you just cut it.
She was just doing stuff.

(01:20:13):
So it would be time, like I said, it would be times.
Well, even last year, there was times, I feel like,
and then it would get close, get close.
And so it was just like, every time you think it's cool,
it'll flip, just like that.
So for me, like I said, I went to block.
And I said, the only way I'm going to be able to stay free
is if I'm going to have to block from all communication.

(01:20:34):
There was a time they even came to the house last year,
probably the end of last year, they came to the house.
And I looked through the ring alarm, and I said,
I'm not answering, because if I let you in,
I already know, because I wasn't that strong.
I already knew.
So you come in, I-
Oh, you go ahead.
No, no, no, no.
I want to ask you a question.

(01:20:54):
Yes, yes, sir.
So whenever she came over your house,
did she ever ask permission to come in?
Because I know for me, whenever the woman would come
to the house, she would never enter
unless I gave her permission.
She would never sit down unless I gave her permission.
So like a demon or like an entity,
she did nothing unless I gave her access.

(01:21:16):
So was it the same thing for this woman?
You know what?
I do remember me having the door open and say, come in.
I don't remember there was a time
when she just stepped in the house.
There was times, there was a lot of times I said,
come on in.
One time I told her to come on in,
she started going through the closets.
Strange as name.
She was opening up doors in the closet.
She was going through my clothes.

(01:21:36):
So I'm just trying to see something.
And I was like, so she's going through the closet.
Spirits hide in dark and sometimes dark places.
Spirits hide in bathrooms, spirits hide in clutter.
So who knows?
Maybe she was planting something on you.
I know with the woman I was dealing with,
she wanted to bring over a crystal

(01:21:59):
and set it beside my bed.
She said, I charged this up
and I want to put it on your dresser
and you can't move it or to break the charge.
And I looked at her, I'm like, nah.
I ain't gonna do that.
Nah, I asked her, I said, what did you charge it with?
And she was just like, my love, my love.
And I'm like, nah.
Man.

(01:22:19):
It makes me think about this story, man.
I told this one on TikTok,
but I didn't really go into depth about it.
It was a lot like your story,
except God intervened immediately.
So I was in the Marine Corps.
I was dealing with this woman
that I met in the Marine Corps.
She was cool back then, but she was married.
I just thought she was a pretty girl,

(01:22:41):
but she had a stank attitude, so I ain't deal with her.
So some years go by, we get out
and us as veterans, we have a community.
She was on social media making posts,
she was getting ready to, you know.
So I messaged her and I'm like,
hey, what's going on, devil dog?
Because Marines call each other devil dogs.
I'm like, hey, what's going on, devil dog?

(01:23:03):
And she was telling me,
I'm going through this in my marriage
and I just found out such and such.
Well, you know, he did this, he did that,
and I think it's over.
You know, we've been married for such a long time.
We got kids, we stay together, I'm broken right now.
I was going to do something in my marriage as well,
so we connected.
We just talking, vibing,
and we ended up getting closer than we should have.

(01:23:24):
But my thing was we never had sex, never had sex.
But we got close and she caught feelings
and I began to enjoy her.
I know better, I know that there is another man's woman
don't belong to me.
So I'm not about to fall in love with a married woman.
I don't care what y'all got going on.

(01:23:45):
That was my mistake, yeah.
Yeah, I'm like, you know, she's beautiful,
but you and this man got three kids together.
Y'all been together almost 10 years.
You done known me for like four years.
You not finna leave him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All her kids by him, you not finna do that.
I don't care how much you say you in love.
I ain't even done me.

(01:24:06):
Yeah.
I asked God to reveal to me what was the purpose
of this woman being in my life.
Because anybody that I get involved with,
I'm going to God.
My mama taught me, don't matter what it is,
go to God.
Yes, sir.
And I've always done it.
Yeah.
Man, I tell, because she was also gifted as well.

(01:24:28):
It was one night and I say, before we get to it,
let's go to God, let's go to God.
I said, go pray and ask God to show you who I am to you.
And I'm gonna do the same.
We come back the next day.
We have the same vision, the exact same vision.
And that vision is we link up, we have sex,
she gets pregnant and her husband kills me

(01:24:49):
and she becomes a single mother.
And she calls me crying and was like, you know,
I saw you die.
And I called her, tore up,
cause I'm like, I saw me die.
And you know, I was a little hard headed.
Yeah.
I'm like, God, I know you ain't gonna protect me
from the thugs and all of this,

(01:25:09):
just to let me get, you know, killed.
Yeah.
And I had already booked the plane ticket to go see her
and she had got the Airbnb.
So, you know, we had this thing plotted.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I asked God, I said,
if it's meant for me to see this woman,
let their flight get delayed.
I'll take losing the money on the account of being stupid.

(01:25:32):
But I would rather you take my money than my life.
It came, the time came up, bad thunderstorm that day.
Like flights got canceled.
Come on.
And it just so happened that her car broke down.
No way.
Her car broke down.
Oh my God.
And guess who came to fix her car?
The husband, the husband.
Yes, sir.

(01:25:52):
The husband.
Rosa, I know what you're talking about.
I said, thank you, Jesus.
Yeah.
I said, I hear you.
I hear you.
Yeah.
And I tell her, I say,
I say, shorty, God said no.
Yeah.
She busts out crying, but God is love
and he understands our love.
I say, shorty.

(01:26:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
I say, I say, God said no.
I said no.
That's it.
Yup, yup.
That's it.
That's it.
Oh my God.
That's it.
You know, and I had to cut off her
and she was upset about it, but I'm still alive.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
And I cross.
That right there, now that resonates with me strong

(01:26:34):
because there was a lot of times where I was, you know,
at my old job where I met a Miss Spaghettiette
that it got to the point where her husband started
coming to the job to pick her up.
Yeah.
Because I was unaware that his cousin worked downstairs.
Yeah.
And so his cousin was telling him the information.
Hey, I think you need to kind of, you know,

(01:26:55):
show up, kind of show your face or something, whatever.
Yeah.
And so one day when he did,
we were standing out looking out the window
and she comes over to him.
I said, oh, your man pulled up.
She kind of dismisses it like,
oh, he's only trying to do S-Y-Z
because he already know that it's done with, it's over with.
My mind, I'm young at the time, I'm 20 something.
At my mind, now I'm thinking,

(01:27:16):
but you about to get in the car with him.
Yeah.
You see what I'm saying?
But at that time, I didn't,
at that time I didn't expect the thoughts,
but I should have been like,
but you about to get in the car with him and ride.
Yeah, can't be too done with him.
Yeah, so you can't be too done, right?
You about to get in the car and ride with him
and whatever else y'all did when y'all got to the house.
But at the same time, I guess what I felt for him

(01:27:36):
and I was doing what I wanted to do,
it was like, whatever.
When you're young, you do young stuff.
I was just like, but I'm like, he's showing up to the job,
started coming by my house, to his then wife
and just that and the other.
And it had just got so, it was so bad
that my mother was like,

(01:27:58):
cause at that time I was living with my mother
and she was like, look, you need to do something about this
cause I don't need him coming by here.
And he, I mean, that's that man wife at the end of the day.
That's that man wife.
You can't justify.
Yeah.
Nothing you saying, you can't justify.
At the end of the day, no matter how jacked up it could be

(01:28:19):
or is, they still married.
Right.
So you need to have to figure this thing out.
Man, this woman, bro, that's some stuff
I haven't even, this person drove behind me
all the way to Washington DC in their own car
to follow me all the way there.
Yeah, they probably should do something to you, man.
Follow me all the way there in their own car.

(01:28:42):
Cause I told them I was going with my family.
We didn't have no room.
They took their car and followed me all the way
to Washington, all the way.
And stayed.
We stayed in my cousin's apartment in Washington.
Just like you would have thought we was a married couple
or something.
Right.
Folks on the job was trying to figure out where we go.
We both took off the same time.
Now they think we down at the beach or somewhere.

(01:29:04):
We way up north, way up north.
Follow me there.
But I mean, just, there was no limitation to what,
you know, if she felt, you know, she wanted to do.
It was no limitation, but at the same time,
I started now, years later,
I'm bouncing back and forth years later,
when we reconnected, life has happened.
And now there, I'm like the same way they hooked you.

(01:29:26):
Who else you think they doing it to?
Yeah.
Who else could they be entertaining?
Because you a whole man, you know what you like.
There's somebody else that like the same thing
that you like.
And I'm watching them move about in public.
There's no, there's no kind of guard.
They're like, pretty much it's almost,

(01:29:46):
it's the word I'm looking for.
Seducive and inviting.
Like, come on.
Right.
And I started seeing certain posts
that she was seeing towards other men.
Right.
That I'm like, wait a minute, that's a little far,
you know, what is this?
And so when I called them out on it,
their response to me was to them,

(01:30:07):
it don't mean anything to you.
It means everything.
I'm like, that's not gonna work.
If I was 16, 15, you might've got me.
Yeah, right, right.
That ain't gonna work now.
That's not gonna work.
So I started somebody, I was like,
I know somebody's praying to all had prayed for me.
Yeah.
I kept, like you said, those signs mean something.
And so there were certain things I kept seeing

(01:30:27):
and then hearing the voice of God saying to cut it off.
All of these things was just adding up for me.
I need to pull back and I need to make
a drastic change immediately.
And so that led for me.
Then when that argument happened, I said, that's my exit.
Because for me, myself, I'm just gonna keep,
but when it got to that point where I shut down,
I said, okay, I'm gonna have to block here,

(01:30:48):
block here, block here, and just move on.
Doesn't mean I haven't had a struggle
because sometimes part of me still had that thought.
But I don't see it throughout the days.
Like, one time it was bad at one point in life,
it was just bad.
But now those thoughts may come,
I'm able to better maneuver through life.
Though sometimes though I couldn't, it was hard.

(01:31:09):
It was literally hard because I felt like,
like I said, I felt like they was either in the room
or what have you.
And I remember sharing with them one time
when we were dealing with each other,
I said, I actually feel you.
When I said that to them,
now all this time they used to say it to me.
When I said this to them, it blew her mind.
I don't know, she was like,
I've been waiting for you to say that forever.

(01:31:32):
What it feels like.
Da da da this, da da da.
Yeah, it was like, that thing lit her whole day up
when I said that.
And I said, I literally feel you.
She was like, what?
What does it feel like?
Finally, I've been waiting for you to say that.
And I'm like, and now in my mind,
I'm thinking the people or women in general,
do they maneuver to a way where they try to get me into,

(01:31:56):
cause you know when the Bible speaks about the love making,
how the two become one.
There's a thing, I wonder if that the aim of a lot of women
to try to get that so that they can feel one another.
And now maybe I'm thinking broad
because I know the Bible was speaking on as in married,
but women when it's just outside of marriage,

(01:32:18):
are they trying to get to that point
where they can feel that other person or feel that,
you know what I'm saying?
Like they trying to get tied up to that person,
even though they're not married.
There is a word or a definition for that
is called tantric sex.
Tantric sex.
Tantric sex.
Or the practice of tantra.
It literally means the joining of two souls

(01:32:42):
or something like that.
But it's when you have sex in such a manner,
it's a spiritual version of sex.
And if I'm not mistaken,
you don't even orgasm doing a sex,
you just focus solely on one another.
And the purpose is to take two souls
and combine them into one.
So it's almost ritualistic.
I remember a lot of what was done man.

(01:33:04):
And I had, so she put a reflection spell on me
so that whatever she felt, I felt.
Reflection spell.
But what she didn't know was whatever I felt she would feel
because at the end of the day, I got free will.
And as much as I thought I hated my wife,

(01:33:25):
and I love that woman.
I understand.
I love that woman.
Yeah.
So I mean, yeah, I didn't hate her.
I was hurt.
I was hurt.
You had done, I got on one knee,
I fasted for four years.
I went to God about you
and you spitting my face essentially.
You know, I'm confused.
Yeah.
You're the one.
And the enemy is treating me better than my wife.

(01:33:46):
Oh, I got it.
So it's like, you know, on a flesh level,
she felt better.
It was wrong.
And I didn't realize it was wrong
till about six, seven months in
because I was confused
because she would do little subtle things
that was ungodly but still questionable.

(01:34:07):
Like she would grab my hands
and trace the inside of my palms.
And then ball my hand up like this right here
and then close the eyes
and mumble some things and open my hand up.
And when I asked her, what was that?
She'd be like, nothing, come on.
And you know, I didn't think anything of it back then.
She would trace things over my face, like you said,

(01:34:28):
playing with my face and stuff.
Yeah, yep.
My wife's name is tatted right here on my chest
and my name is tatted on hers.
Okay.
So when I got a hairy chest,
I didn't think that this woman would see it.
Like my whole, all of this tatted.
So, you know, my wife's name shouldn't stick out.
That's at least me thinking like a man.

(01:34:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My wife was like, she saw that tattoo.
She saw that tattoo.
As a woman, she saw that tattoo.
Yeah, yeah.
Because she would always trace things over my chest.
And she was essentially trying to manifest my wife
out of the equation.
So it was, I learned a lot from that woman, man.
And it was crazy.
I was meaning to ask you what ethnicity was that woman?

(01:35:13):
Was Miss Spaghetti?
Black.
Okay.
Black, yeah, black.
The woman I was dealing with was black and Dominican.
Which brings me back to the Hispanic woman in the mall.
Yeah.
Everybody else that kind of stopped and did that was black.
Hey, y'all married?
How long y'all been married?
Da da da.
But that one Hispanic woman stopped
and just like in the middle of the mall.

(01:35:33):
And that freaked me out because I'm thinking, you know,
and I used to ask the gay woman,
what, since you're a prophet,
and I used to put it on the spot.
So since you're a prophet,
what is the Lord saying about us?
You know, I would just.
Yeah, yeah.
Where that's not how it work.
That's not how I said no, but I'm just wondering.
So the Lord having told you,

(01:35:54):
you haven't downloaded anything.
I'm trying to, I'm just throwing it out there.
I'm like, well, you a whole prophet.
You a whole elder as well.
The Lord is not.
Because God is dealing with me profusely.
So I'm like, he ain't told you anything
pertaining to how we move and how.
Right.
You know, I find that odd.
Either he's telling you and you just ignoring it
or you, what's what's what?
And it was like, no, I mean, it don't work like that.

(01:36:17):
I'm like, I find that strange.
And so that day when the Hispanic woman did that,
I was waiting for her to say something.
Right.
You didn't find it,
but we never had that conversation
as if she didn't want to get in into it.
Everybody else who kept saying,
we just stand there another another,
we will have a whole diatribe about it.
This incident, nothing.

(01:36:37):
It makes me wonder, man, because I had to learn this.
The girl that I dealt with, she was prophetic as well.
She gave me a prophetic vision about me.
And I remember it to this day, man,
because it was tripped me out
how the enemy can prophesize over your life, man.
It's wild.
That's mad.
She said, I saw the sky and the sky was filled with stars.

(01:37:02):
And there were stars all on one side of the sky.
And there was one star off in the loneliness,
but it shined the brightest.
And she said, you were that star.
And she said, the other stars were trying
to dim your shine.
And she said, it doesn't matter what,
she said, it didn't matter what they did to you.

(01:37:24):
It didn't matter how much darkness they pushed your way.
Always shined brighter.
And she told me, she said, keep on shining
no matter what happens.
Now, imagine hearing that from somebody
who's putting spells on you, man.
Imagine how confusing that is.
The enemy operates in confusion, man.
They will give you prophetic visions.

(01:37:45):
They will say things to make you think
that their heaven sent whole time,
they're demonic, they're their own assignment.
And that's what was confusing for me
because I'm like, you sound so divine.
You behave so divine and you make me feel better
than my wife ever did.
Yes, yes, yeah.

(01:38:07):
And when I went to God about this woman,
and I asked God, was she for me?
Cause I'm thinking, I'm like, man,
my wife obviously ain't it.
I'm thinking that, let me tell you how crafty the enemy is,
man, it's crazy.
My wife's favorite color is lime green.
Favorite flower is a sunflower.

(01:38:29):
This woman, love your lacy's favorite color, lime green.
Oh my goodness.
Favorite flower, sunflowers.
Man.
My wife hates scary movies.
We bump heads on that.
I love them.
Love your lacy, love scary movies.
Wow.
My wife hates, it's this ice cream called Moose Tracks Ice Cream
it has Reese's color.
I've heard of it.
And she hates that ice cream.

(01:38:50):
Love your lacy, loves it.
So when I wanna watch scary movies, she down.
It felt so genuine.
But when I close my eyes at night,
that's when all the demonic activities happen.
And God is showing me and revealing to me
what's really going on.
When I met this woman, man,
when you dealing with a truly demonic spirit, man,

(01:39:12):
they operate at a very low frequency.
And with that being the case,
they bring certain things with them,
certain low vibrational activities
and different calamities with them.
When this woman start coming over my house,
she brought bed bugs with her.
So she would come over and my house is infested with bed bugs.
Nowhere else in the house but my bedroom.

(01:39:35):
Wow.
But my bedroom, man.
I learned later on because I did what you did, man.
I threw away everything.
Everything that she touched, it went away.
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
And I pushed up my mattress to throw away the mattress.
She had been tying off her hair around my bed frame.
I saw pieces of hair tied around my bed frame, man.
And she placed her ring, she had a copper ring,

(01:39:58):
a copper snake ring that she had.
And she placed it somewhere in my living room.
I never could have find it.
Oh, man.
I threw away the whole couches.
I threw away both of them.
I had a section of them, man.
Out of here, out of here.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, yeah.
I threw away, man, I wasn't playing.
I wasn't playing but it understand where you coming from

(01:40:18):
when you say a lot of the things you do
because this woman, man, and if you met her today,
she'll be one of the sweetest, to this day,
she is the sweetest woman I've ever met.
She's so soft spoken and so submissive and so hostile.
Yeah.
You yell at her, she start crying.
She that gentle.
We know when them dog on lights drop.

(01:40:40):
Yes, sir.
You going to that altar.
Yes, sir, yeah.
And she get in there.
Yeah, yes, sir, yes, sir.
I hold another person there.
And see, it was Sabrina that told me,
she said, you need to lift up your mattress
and see if anything under there.
And I said, what?
She said, yeah, you need to lift up and just check.
I lifted and I said, okay, I didn't see anything.
Doesn't mean she didn't have hair sometime

(01:41:02):
but I know when I prayed, I heard vividly that pillow,
pillow that I used to lay on.
I used to lay on in the bed every night.
And when I got rid of that pillow, something broke.
Yeah.
Something broke.
It's crazy, man.
Yeah, like I said, the only other vision that I had
was her on the other side of the room
and me on this side and in between us
was the figure that was sitting there between us.

(01:41:23):
That's the only vision that I had.
Before then, I was having dreams like,
I'm getting up like, oh my gosh, this thing, it feels heavy.
I can't shake it, I can't shake it.
Like I said, there's time for the thoughts
of coming in and not now, but they're not as strong.
Around that time, they was very strong.
Like it would just set the course for the whole day.
Like I couldn't even function, you know.

(01:41:43):
I get it, how it happened.
Yeah, it was very heavy.
But like you said, I threw all that stuff, man,
clothes, items, stuff, pots, whatever, out of here.
Out of here, shoes, out of here.
All of the trinkets, socks and stuff, out of here.
We gotta come, I went to tossing everything out there.
I said, we gotta go, we gotta go.
So yeah.
I get it, man, I understand 100%.

(01:42:04):
So what I'm thinking is, man, she probably had a crystal
that she had enchanted inside of your pillow
or maybe something that she had enchanted
inside of that pillow.
People can't enchant anything.
So she could have enchanted the pillow itself.
Wow.
I'm thinking she had a crystal
because old girl, she wanted to give me a crystal bat.

(01:42:24):
And what she would do is she would take hair pins,
wrap her hair around it and leave it around the house.
So in my bedroom, she had a bunch of them in my bedroom,
in my living room, under my sofa and in my truck.
She had them everywhere.
Pins with hair, wow.
She was deep into it, man.
And whenever I came around her,
she would always ask to see my hands.

(01:42:45):
Like we'll be talking and she'd be like, you know,
trying to see my hands to make sure the sigil
that she placed on me was still there.
What? Wow.
Each time I linked,
because she had a hole so strong on me
that I couldn't pray.
Every time I would pray, I would get a headache, man.
And it would feel like somebody was twisting my brain

(01:43:07):
and I just felt so disconnected.
Yeah.
My mama told me, don't you give up on God
because he don't give up on us.
He don't give up on us.
So, man.
I didn't care.
I kept, I pushed through it.
And you know, it got to a point
to where I was able to pray a little bit.
And the more I prayed and the more people I got behind me,
I had my mother, my auntie, the church,

(01:43:28):
the more people I got behind me,
the more concern she got.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
For me, my breakaway this time was so hard
because I felt like spaghetti was there
when I was going through one of the roughest parts
of my life.
When I was going through the separation and the divorce,
she showed up.
And so I felt like I was loyal to her

(01:43:49):
because she was there when nobody else was.
So she was like you said, she was that comfort.
That she was that place of, I'm lonely.
She fulfilled that.
What I needed, she fulfilled that.
And then she would just sporadically send money.
Hey, you need something for lunch.
Boom.
She was the same way.
I wasn't used to that, bro.
I wasn't used to that
because even my ex-wife wouldn't do that.

(01:44:10):
So now you got somebody showing up in a different way
and it seemed like it's genuine.
Yeah.
And you pulling towards that because you missing that.
Because you never had it.
So now all of this feels so good to me
because I've been, so through the whole while
I'm trying to figure it out, trying to move
and trying to do this, that she was there for everything
it seemed.
It's like she was there when I was at the bottom.

(01:44:31):
And so I think for me, I felt like, okay,
I feel like I'm loyal to her now
and that you accept anything.
That's a big misconception.
If you're going to do something for me, do it.
But don't hold it all over me because you did it.
That's what I would, man.
Yeah.
That's why I do it.
Yeah.
And so she was there in that time.
But there were times, like you said,
they would pop in and out or I wouldn't hear from them

(01:44:53):
for days and they show back up or something.
And I'm like, well, what's going on?
Like when Father's Day came around, I didn't hear nothing.
Not even a happy Father's Day.
You know I'm a dad, I didn't hear nothing.
I'm like, I find that strange.
Nothing, nothing I mean for anything.
Not a word.
So to say all that, to say this,
I thought that because they was there at my lowest, I felt,

(01:45:16):
that I felt like I felt the necessity to hold on to them,
even though no matter the heck I went through
or the things I experienced, I felt like because they
was there at that point in my life,
then I need to try to make this work.
But the more I tried to make it work,
the more all these kind of other things was going on still.
So when it did, like I said at the end of September,

(01:45:37):
when it did blow up and I went to block
and that was a battle in my mind.
Try to at least because of the history,
or do I at least try or do I reach out
or do I keep my distance or how.
I'm glad I kept my distance because if I did at that time,
we'd have been right back in the same.
We'd have been back in the same.
Yeah, because I wasn't as strong.
And even now I still have to fight because even being single,

(01:46:01):
I still have to be careful because even before then,
I still had some in and out relationships
with people that I met or dated or something.
And it just went a whole nother way.
And I'm like, OK, that doesn't go too far
because I wanted that companionship.
Because when you go from being married for 20 years
and now there's nobody there, that's a major adjustment.

(01:46:23):
You're like, I'm used to somebody being here.
The house is quiet.
I don't hear the kids no more.
The kids are with their mother.
I don't hear the noise.
I don't hear, you know.
And so you start trying to find that comfort wherever
you can find it.
And so I've been there.
I've done that as an elder, as a priest.
Like I said, I'm not the same.

(01:46:43):
Battle with porn.
I even started at one point in time,
I started trying to drink a little bit
to try to ease to whatever I was going through.
So I was trying to find all these avenues
to fulfill something.
And none of them were fulfilling.
Let me just be honest.
They were not fulfilling.
But it can push you.
When, like we said earlier, when that crack is there,

(01:47:04):
that's all the enemy need is that crack.
Yes, sir.
That crack is there and all these other things.
And if you don't handle it or you're not cognizant
that that's going on, that's the root of it.
And we got, that's what we need to get to the root
of the matter, to get to the root of what it really is.
Because I don't think I was just battling with loneliness.
I think the root of that was rejection,

(01:47:25):
or feeling rejected.
Now from rejection, birthed in loneliness,
bitterness, resentment, unforgiveness,
all these doors for the enemy to come in.
And so when I shut them doors,
now he's having a field day.
So now when I do get that feeling of no matter
where it comes from, I'm gravitating towards it.
So that goes back to the shadow work

(01:47:46):
we was talking about.
That lust thing and all this stuff and all these things.
But yeah, so, but now I know then it took me,
like I said, being around people,
ministry that are serious about the work,
that are serious and not, you know,
and that's hard these days,
so sometimes folk be playing.
But you know, people that are serious,
that their mind is made up,

(01:48:08):
and just staying in the word of God.
Because brother, I had stopped reading the Bible.
When I was going through my divorce, I stopped reading.
I kind of gave up.
I'm serious, I kind of gave up.
I wanted to quit, but the church I am in now,
this pastor reached out and asked me, am I good?
Nobody had asked me that.
Now I'm in my old town, I'm very well known

(01:48:30):
as doing stuff in the ministry,
whether it's preaching or singing or whatever.
But this one pastor reached out and asked me,
how am I doing mentally?
Nobody had asked me that when I was going through.
He was the only one.
He received me since then, and I've been there since.
It's like, you know, this, I'm gonna say it,
because when I was going through that bad patch,
when I was about to give up on everything,

(01:48:51):
he extended his hand.
He didn't try to put me in a pulpit
and do all the other things.
He said, sit, he said, just sit and let God heal you.
Sit and let God heal you.
And so I'm really on the backside now
of going through the kind of the last phase of healing.
I'm not in the rush to do stuff like I was doing before.
I'm just allowing God to do what he's doing to me.
Now, if I do, like I was saying,
if I do run into somebody out in the public,

(01:49:12):
I don't mind giving a word or giving a encouraging word,
not to be preachy, but just to be inspiring and encouraging.
And I was going, I find much joy in that
than standing in trying to, you know, whatever,
in the church setting, which there's nothing wrong with that.
But I find great joy in what I'm doing now.
It's going out and I bump into somebody
and they're going through,

(01:49:33):
or they have something on their mind or something
and I'm able to encourage if I'm able to.
And so, but yeah, so I've been there since
and allowing God to heal me, bro.
And so I haven't talked to Miss Spaghetti
and like I said, I do, part of me do wanna reach out,
but I'm like, I don't take it.
No, please don't, man, please don't.

(01:49:53):
I'm telling you how God told me, God said no.
Yeah, yeah.
I said no.
Love John Lacey taught me a multitude of things.
And by the way, me and my wife today
are better than we've ever been.
Wonderful, wonderful.
You know, we sat down, man, and we spoke about it.
We got through the ugly.

(01:50:13):
Yeah.
Our old apartment, let's just say,
I ain't get that security deposit back.
Uh-huh, gotcha, I gotcha, yep, I gotcha.
Holes in the doors, holes in the walls.
Gotcha.
We tore it up.
Yes, sir, I gotcha.
We tore it up.
I remember the scripture when he was with,
when he was with Elisha, and he saw,

(01:50:33):
he was surrounded, when Elisha saw he was surrounded.
Right.
And he prayed, he said, open my servant eyes
that he may see what I see, that it's more of us
than it is against them.
All you need is God.
You can take the whole city.
You ain't gotta have a whole army,
but he saw the multitude, he got discouraged.
And he prayed, he said, open his eyes

(01:50:54):
that he may see what I see.
You say the lies, brother.
You say, you cats on that one, that thing that got me.
But yeah, so I have to be, and that's when I even say
to myself, even if it's just me, it's not just me.
I got God.
Yep.
As long as I got God, I can do anything.
I can take this thing.
Learning that.
Yeah, it's nothing that's insurmountable, so yeah.

(01:51:14):
I'm learning that, man.
Yeah, so spaghetti might see this one.
So what it's, it's something.
It's something.
That's why I told you, to read what you did
before we got on the call.
Thank you for that.
That was a power, that was powerful.
That was powerful.
I almost went up when I was reading, I said, oh my goodness.
I said, this a good one right here.
I said, bro, what you doing?

(01:51:36):
Yeah, yeah.
It's a good one.
I said, man, but yeah.
So if you had to give a closing message
to the men and women, young, old, white, black,
just people in general, from your experiences,
what would you tell them?
Well, where do I start here?
There's so much that I could say here,
based on what I went through.

(01:52:00):
And this is gonna be just gonna be plain right now.
Don't ignore the red flags.
Before you get into any, any,
are you considering male or female,
trying to speak with somebody in a relationship?
Sometimes, gotta reveal things before you even go far.
When those red flags show up,
pay attention to those red flags.

(01:52:21):
A lot of times it's our flesh that want what we want.
The flags are there.
I saw those flags years ago,
but because it sounded good, smelled good,
felt good, looked good, walked good, talked good,
I threw all the flags away, bro.
Don't miss the flags.
That's male or female, because men, we are what?
We are expositors and women, we deposit,

(01:52:45):
I think that's what it is.
And women, they take, we're projectors.
And women, you know, they take it.
So women just as well, because we,
they have to be careful too,
because I know men, we kind of move around,
but women move around as well.
So it goes for both.
It goes for both.
Yeah.
So, you know, the Ancubus and the Succubus.

(01:53:07):
Y'all just gotta, yeah.
But I would say, don't ignore the red flags.
If you are in a situation or have been like
what me and Roy talked about today,
there is yet hope.
There is a way of escape.
Get up under, if you're not already,
get up under some sound doctrine, leadership,

(01:53:29):
find a strong church.
And I know that's, you know,
wherever you can find a strong church,
separate yourself.
The Bible says come out from among them,
be ye separate, separate yourself.
The only way you're gonna be free,
you're gonna have to stop dabbling and dabbling.
You're gonna have to stop dabbling and dabbling.
When you're dabbling and dabbling,
you open that crack and that crack is open.

(01:53:51):
You feel like it's all right.
Then other things start happening.
You have to start dabbling and dabbling.
I had a problem with that.
I would dabbling and dabble.
Go back.
Now we back at square one again.
So for me, it would be find a sound,
a real own fire for God church, own fire.
This is what I mean.
This is what's helping me.
A church that's on fire for the Lord.

(01:54:11):
Is it perfect?
No, there's no perfect church.
Let's just be honest.
There's no perfect.
But find you a church that's on fire.
Where the glory resides.
Where the spirit of the Lord lives.
Find you a house of God like that.
Get us some sound teachings, some sound doctrine.
Be careful what you're entertained.
Yeah.
You must be careful when you're entertained.

(01:54:33):
Be careful where you go.
Be careful who you are around.
When you're going through a phase like we've been through,
you can't be hooked up with everybody.
You just can't.
And I know some lot of people don't like to walk.
Sometimes this walk can be lonely.
Sometimes it can be lonely.
And that's even being married sometimes.
Because sometimes our spouse, when I was,
they don't always fully understand

(01:54:54):
the full scope of the picture.
And we have to ask God to be willing to them while we walk.
Because how can two walk together
except they be agreed, right?
So we have to be mindful and be prayerful always.
Will you make some mistakes, Long?
Yeah, you probably will.
Of course you will.
You're human.
You're going to make mistakes.
But when those flags are revealed,
don't ignore the flags.
Do not ignore the flags.

(01:55:14):
Pay attention to what's the read the room.
Wherever you are, read the room.
Watch what's going on.
These are things that I do on a daily.
I'm just watching, looking, listening wherever I'm at.
And even when people try, there have been some relationships
that try to come now.
But the flags have come early.
I'm like, oh, that's a flag.
Right.

(01:55:35):
No, I can't.
No, I can't.
Because look past now and look into the future.
I don't know if that makes sense.
Don't just deal with the noun.
You see it now and it look good.
But listen, I always say this, listen to what's not being said.
We hear a lot of what's being said,
but listen to what's not being said.
Don't just see now.
See 10 years from now.
Can you see 10 years from now with this person?

(01:55:58):
And I'm like, what you said, Rory.
Pray and ask God, is this the one?
Is this the one that I'm going to build this future?
For instance, if I get sick, can she take care of me?
Right.
Or if she gets sick, can I take care of her?
Can she maintain the bills properly?
I know I'm going way off the deep end with this one.

(01:56:21):
But yeah, there's some things that we should consider
before we figure we're going to jump into something serious.
Just some things to relay out there.
And don't be in a hurry.
Take your time.
Just take your time, if it were me.
And I say this to a lot of people now.
I have more days behind me than I do in front of me.

(01:56:43):
I'm just I'm to the point now if the Lord sends it
to God be the glory.
Now I'm learning to be content in my contentment
that if it doesn't, he's still God.
I don't know if I hope I answered your question correctly
because I was going.
I was suffering.
I was going.
I mean, it ain't a right or wrong answer, man.
I definitely appreciate your time.

(01:57:03):
Yes, sir.
Roy, thank you so much for having me on your platform.
I know I tried to condense it down with 20 years of everything
that been happening, but I try to hit some key, key points.
I hope I was a blessing to your platform.
Just thank you so much for choosing me.
Yes, sir.
To tell my story.
And so in test and keep me in prayer.

(01:57:25):
Yes, sir.
You know, as I journey on and do the will of God.
Thank you again so much for having me, man.
I thank you.
Yes, sir.
Of course.
You have a wonderful day.
You take care.
Yes, sir.
You do the same.
All right.
Man, listen, I hope that you learned a lot in this episode.
Thank you for attending and making it this far.

(01:57:47):
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