Witchcraft & Spirituality: A Conversation with Cousin Elle

Summary

In this conversation, Roi C Gilmore and Lauren (aka Elle) discuss the complexities of spiritual journeys, the importance of intuition, and the impact of personal relationships on healing. They explore themes of forgiveness, self-discovery, and the significance of community support. The dialogue emphasizes the necessity of trusting one's intuition and the challenges faced when navigating spiritual attacks and societal influences. Both speakers share personal experiences and insights, providing valuable advice for those on their own spiritual paths.

Social Media Handles

Host - https://linktr.ee/RoiCGilmore

Guest - https://linktr.ee/TheTrapHauss

Chapters

00:00 The Art of Conversation and Reflection

07:14 Navigating Personal Transformation

09:55 The Balance of Gifts and Life Experiences

12:04 The Journey of Healing and Forgiveness

14:14 The Weight of Spiritual Responsibility

16:53 The Challenge of Sharing Your Voice

19:46 The Power of Resilience and Protection

23:34 Lessons from Painful Relationships

25:28 Navigating Manipulative Relationships

27:17 The Impact of Past Relationships

30:56 Facing the Consequences of Past Actions

33:28 The Truth Will Always Surface

34:50 Healing and Supporting Each Other in Relationships

37:25 The Reality of Trauma in Media

38:56 The Weight of Legacy and Loss

40:08 Government Surveillance and Activism

41:27 Confronting Authority: A Personal Encounter

44:06 The Cost of Freedom and Personal Growth

49:31 Spiritual Guidance and Intuition

52:33 Networking and Future Collaborations

53:26 Introduction to the Conversation

54:26 Exploring Key Themes and Insights

Takeaways

Trust your intuition above all things.

Keep God at the forefront of your journey.

No one is coming to save you; you must do the work.

You can tell the difference between your intuition and your fear.

Every part of you that was once comfortable must be left behind at the crossroads.

You will meet that version of yourself again after growth.

The power of names and energies is significant in spiritual work.

Relationships can be a mirror for personal growth and healing.

Community support is essential in spiritual journeys.

The journey of self-discovery is ongoing and requires patience.

Sound Bites

"The power of the name is so real."

"Trust your intuition above all things."

"No one's coming to save you."

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Homie welcome to the Roi C. Gilmore podcast where real don't get no willa and don't come with no filter.

(00:07):
I am your host Roi C. Gilmore.
A lot of you may know me from TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, from telling my witchcraft story at all.
It is a 22 part series on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook and YouTube.
And yes I said witchcraft series. I'm telling the story of a woman who put witchcraft on me.
Love spells, candle magic, blood magic, all of that.

(00:29):
For those who this is your first time seeing me, I'll give you a little background about myself.
My name is Roi C. Gilmore. I'm from Georgia. I am a United States Marine Corps veteran.
I'm also a musician, producer, financial advisor, husband, father and spiritual advisor.
I love science, poetry, jazz. I don't smoke. I don't drink. I don't snort.

(00:50):
I don't go to parties. I don't go to strip clubs. I'm open to working with like-minded individuals.
When I say like-minded, I mean that. Meaning if I'm doing a podcast and I'm promoting positivity,
and you snorting powder, we ain't gonna be able to kick it.
Not judging you. If you want to snort powder, go ahead. It's your powder. It's your body. It's your nose.
Who am I to tell you not to snort that shit and fuck your life up?

(01:13):
Hey man, it's America. But if you have a podcast, hollet me.
If you want to be on my podcast, hollet me. If you're a musician, hollet me.
Movie producer, hollet me. Publisher, A&R, hollet me. That type of like-minded.
You know what I'm saying? I sometimes have a potty mouth.
I spent four and a half years in the Marine Corps and baby, my mouth got real dirty.

(01:34):
The longer I stayed in, the dirtier my mouth got. I may say some vulgar shit sometimes.
There are some people who just can't tolerate that. If that's you, I'm telling you now.
I'm a work in progress. I tell things how it is. There is pros and cons to that. God's still working on me.
But welcome to my classroom. Interact and grow with me.
If you have questions or inquiries, send them to theroicgilmorepodcast.gmail.com.

(02:00):
If you got testimonies, send them there as well. If you want me to promote your business on my podcast, send it there as well.
If you got questions, comments, anything at all, contact me there.
I am Roi C Gilmore on YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok.
You can also check out my music on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, and all of that. Just type in Roy C. Gilmore and baby, I pop up.

(02:22):
Now on my podcast, you will be hearing testimonials from real people with real struggles, homie.
I'll be telling stories myself and I'll also be continuing my series, Love, Lust, and Witchcraft.
For y'all who don't know what that is, stick around. Do let your curiosity get the best of you.
There is no limit to the people that I will be interviewing.

(02:42):
I don't care where you come from. Just when you come to me, come healed enough to tell your testimony.
If you ain't healed enough, then it ain't your time yet. It's okay. We can reconvene later down the line.
I'll be interviewing victims of sexual abuse, sexual assault, witchcraft survivors, gangsters, pastors, hoes, pimps, porn stars, men of God, women of God, atheists.

(03:05):
Man, I may even have an alien up here. If I can get one and get them to comply, I have an alien up here.
So if you have a testimony and you want to share it with the world, how let me.
But like any class of them, I do have rules. Be respectful. Be respectful to me. Be respectful to my guest.
And if you do get in them comments getting crazy, you will be blocked.

(03:27):
And let's just say I say a special prayer before I get behind this camera.
If your intentions are wicked, baby, you will be exposed and you will be punished. That's all I'm gonna say.
I am not here to judge you. If you feel called to submit your testimony to my podcast, then do so.
God's will will be done. I hope you enjoy the interview. I hope you learned something.

(03:48):
And I hope whatever that's plaguing your heart, weighing you down.
I hope that God hears your prayers and he relieves you of that burden.
Now, before y'all listen to this recording, I went back and I played it back, man.
And I noticed that there was an echo in my voice because I forgot to tell Elle to put on some headphones.
So the echo would be in the recording, but it slipped my mind. It won't happen again.

(04:12):
So don't beat me up too bad about it.
Homie, today I have the honor of introducing a very special guest today on my podcast, homie.
A lot of y'all may recognize her from my witchcraft series.
And some of y'all may know her because she was present when y'all was getting married.
Ladies, y'all may know her because her products help you get pregnant.

(04:34):
She didn't help 25 plus women conquer their infertility journey with her yanny herbs.
And she probably didn't help some of y'all lie spiritually because she is a spiritual advisor.
So we talking an ordained minister, a spiritual advisor,
and a blessing to women that struggling with infertility.
So without further ado, though, ladies and gentlemen, I welcome Elle.

(04:56):
I can't wait to upload this shit, man. But I'm gonna have to rest after me and yours
because I've been going too goddamn hard.
Yeah. It's the equivalent of you being like a talk show host, honestly.
You know, you gotta rest in between time and rest your voice, drink water, drink tea, all that.
Believe it or not, man, I don't like talking.

(05:18):
As much as people love to hear me speak, I prefer to shut the fuck up.
I do. I prefer to shut the fuck up, man.
That just means you found the balance between learning how to listen and hear, too.
I learned much more being quiet, man. But people always want to fucking hear from me.
And I'm like, let's do it. I'm all for it.
So a lot of people, man, been asking about you since I came out with the story about the woman.

(05:44):
And I told people about, you know, Elle, everybody wants to know who is Elle.
Where can I find her? So then I think at that time,
you was going through your own thing, man. And I was like, man, Elle is out of commission.
Yes. Down, down for count.
Yeah. And people was like, you know, Elle don't exist because you made up the whole story.

(06:04):
And I'm like, I promise you, she real. She's here.
Yeah. She real, man. She just, she going through some changes.
Yeah. It's the deep, profound ones.
Yeah. But what, if you don't mind, what happened with that situation?
Because I'm going to be real with you, man. Like I, and maybe I'm foolish for thinking this,
but I feel like once you are a certain level of just aware to an extent, I feel like you become

(06:30):
untouchable. And I think maybe that's why I got my ass tapped on, you know, because I felt like
I can hear God, I can connect to the universe and I can manifest whatever the fuck I want to.
I'm cool. Right.
And then I got humble. Right.
Yeah. That's how it goes. I would have to say that I too, at one, because I've been on this

(06:51):
journey for about 15 years, 16 years, something like that. I too reached the point of my own power
and empowerment of when I, when I felt like invincible, touchable. Like, you know, I got this.
I tapped into all of my Christ consciousness. I got it. I figured it out. And it's just as you
accomplish anything in life, you are beginning to fail at it. Just as you reach the top of the

(07:14):
mountain, you now need to conquer going down the mountain. You can't live at the top of the mountain.
You have to figure out how are you going to go back down into life? And then how are you going
to go through that valley, back to the peak, back to another plateau, back to the top, back to, you
know, this is the cycle of life. So I think more than anything, what I was going through at that
time, when you were sharing your story and attempting to share my presence in the story,

(07:39):
I was experiencing one of those valleys. Like I had quite literally tumbled to the bottom of the
mountain and it was like, okay, I've been here before. I know how to navigate this, but how am
I going to do it? You know, what are you going to do this time? Because a lot of the time is just
realizing that you are a student of life. So even when you achieve something, okay, you will still

(08:00):
have to apply it again. That was just the midterm. You'll have a final over this thing again, another
six to eight months. Will you be ready? You know, so I definitely know that I was just experiencing
some personal transformation. And for two years, now I don't know exactly when you started sharing
your story on TikTok, but for two years I was being spiritually and energetically attacked
just because that's what comes with the territory as well. Everybody wants to share their gift or

(08:24):
everyone wants to have a gift until you realize that when you have something that a lot of other
people don't have, a lot of other people want it. So it's the equivalent of you walking down the
street with a big old gold box of trinkets coming out of it and you're expecting just one people not
to ask you for it, or at least trying to gravitate towards you to get it. And a lot of times that
goes deeper than just this lifetime. It goes deeper than just these experiences that we've had with

(08:47):
these people. So I was definitely being spiritually attacked for the greater part of two years. And I
am finally on the other side of that just six months later after all of that. So that's crazy,
man. Me and my wife, we bump heads about this stuff all the time, man, because the way I see it,
if God gave me these gifts, he want me to use it. So I'm going to try to circumvent making mistakes.

(09:10):
And my wife's thing is just because you're gifted don't mean that you don't get to experience life.
And I'm like, man, that shit. Like, man, fuck that. If I get a vision that it's a pothole coming up,
I'm going to go around the pothole. But the whole time it was fated for me to take the trip around

(09:31):
the pothole just to end up right where I was supposed to be, which is in another pothole.
Exactly. Exactly. In a pothole because you got to go into the pothole for you to throw your will
off of this asshole, for you to be broken down on the side of the road. Okay, this is church.
For you to then bring yourself back together with the tire on the vehicle and keep going.

(09:53):
It's all part of the circle. It is, man. And I just recently stopped trying to,
well, I ain't going to say I stopped trying because I'm a hard-headed motherfucker, but
when it's something that I don't want to do, I mean, fuck it. I'm not going to try not to do it.
Like even now, like it was meant for me to go through what I went through with that woman.
But and I've helped so many people, but if I had to go back and do it, I would have blocked that hole.

(10:16):
Is it? I enjoy my peace. It's cool to have the attention and have the following and have
different movie producers and all that's reaching out. But like I told you, I prefer to shut the
fuck up. Right. And I prefer to be left alone. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm
perfectly okay living in a cage by myself. Yes, in your hermetic experience.

(10:41):
If I had to be a Tarot card, this damn should be the hermit.
Yes. Damn should be the hermit, man. Leave me fucking alone.
I'm getting ready to bring my Tarot services to TikTok just because I'm ready finally to be able
to absorb some people's energy at a higher rate than what I was prior to that. And that's something
else with being a spiritualist. When you are a vessel for a lot of people, this is what I was

(11:02):
telling you before, you got to rest your voice. You got to drink tea. You got to take time off.
That just is what it is. Teachers teach all year and then for three months during the summer,
they do nothing. So we have to think there has to always be a period of rest and learning when
it's a period of rest or when it's a period of creativity or lesson changes the flow so much.
I'm learning this now because before all of this, God was telling me to rest. And you know,

(11:26):
I was arguing with him because I'm like, man, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to manifest. I'm ready to
make stuff happen. And then boom, I get this thought in my head about a podcast and I started
getting visions about the success of it. And now I'm like, okay, well, let me get to this. And then
things begin to fall into place. And I'm like, okay, so I'm being pushed to do this. So let's get it.

(11:46):
Tick tock and I post about it and a whole lot of people want to tell these stories. I'm like,
oh shit. That's it. Finding that energetic balance. How do you do it? You know, what do you do in
order for you to facilitate the energy within also have something for yourself in the end?
Yeah, it's finding balance. If I'm not mistaken, that was one of the reasons why I'm here on earth

(12:08):
now to balance my emotions instead of being a fucking psychopath. It's natural for me to just,
I'm a fire sign and I embody that shit. Yeah. You know, all my kids fire signs too. Really?
Whatever you think that you did and got away with and the hell you gave your mama and all that,
you get it back twice. The boy and the girl. I think that's hilarious. My daughter, she's so

(12:32):
motherfucking emotional. I am not an emotional man. Yeah. And my wife is. And that's why she is.
Yeah. I am not an emotional man. So she's showing you the other side. She is. I mean, I don't get
through so much, man. And I wasn't really allowed to feel because I'm such a balanced man when it
comes to my emotions. People always want to come to me to get me to do the heavy lifting.

(12:56):
For some emotional thing. My mama, she tasked me out to unplug her when she was dying. She was like
all my kids, he the strongest and nobody wanted to do it. And I'm like, what the fuck I want to
unplug you for? I love you. But she trusted me to do it. When my grandmother was like that, she

(13:17):
called my mother and she was dying over the phone. And she had just, my cousin, it's a lot, but my
cousin put money on my head. He tried to kill me and my grandmother took it inside. So in my head,
fuck it. Right. Grandma not willing to let this man kill me. But then karma has a funny way of
just working, man. She called me and my mom the ones that she fucked over when she died.

(13:39):
Of course. And my mother, she forgave her on the spot. I wasn't the case with me, but she
forgave her on the spot. And she asked me to kick in the door. And right when I was going to kick
it in, she managed to open the door and she was covered in piss and shit. Because when you die,
you know, your body excretes itself and all of that. So she covered in piss and shit and she
collapsed. And I just leaned in and grabbed it and I'm talking to her and she repenting saying,

(14:04):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And I was still angry, but I watched my mother hold her mother
crying and she forgave her. And the energy in the room got lighter. And at I think I was 16,
learned what forgiveness was. And I learned the value of it. And I'm like, damn, so this is,
this is what it is. This is why. Yeah. This is why we do it. Yeah. And it just, since that day,

(14:27):
I never held on to anything that anybody did to me. If it's that deep, I'm going to beat you the
fuck up. And if it's really, really that deep, I'm going to come see you. Right. But for the most
part, I'm going to let it go. And I've learned so much, even with my mother's death, she died and
she stayed here for about an extra week because she had unforgiveness in her heart. And I told her,

(14:53):
you won't go let her die until she let it go. Yeah. And she just so happened to, when people
are dying, their senses get heightened. Very much so. And I didn't know that. Very much so.
Me and my little brother was talking down the hallway about something that somebody in the
family had did to me, something that they weren't supposed to be doing to a child. She on the other

(15:15):
side of the house, she heard the whole fucking conversation. And when we saw her, she was just
crying. She was fucking living. She was like, why didn't you tell me that they, you know, they,
they touched you? And I'm like, what are you talking about? Trying to play crazy. And she was like,
I heard y'all. And she held on to that shit and she wanted to kill shit. Right. But that's why I
ain't tell her, you know, I know how she fucking is. You know what I'm saying? But God told her

(15:38):
that she had to let that go. And if she let it go, that he would give her the option to either heal
her and let her live or he would call her home. She told us that she would choose to live, but
she told God otherwise. Her ass ain't healed no more. So we was a little pissed at her about that,
but it ain't our choice. Yeah. Yeah. When it's over, it's over. Yeah. She was tired, man. So it

(16:03):
took me some time to, I had to forgive her the same way she had to give her mother. I thought
that was interesting. And I hope then I don't have to go through that with my children to where I hurt
them to where they have to forgive me in such a manner, but who knows? Yeah. You know, but that's
just about, you know, the awareness. If you know what it felt like, you know, what it was to have

(16:23):
to carry the burden, you know, what it is to not completely forgive until somebody is dying, then
you would do the best that you can to make sure that never happens to your children. It also can
be your reflection that it's already happened to you. So it won't happen to your children. You
know, it won't have to happen to your kids because it already happened. Yeah. This is a lot, man. And
it's sometimes I've been trying to tell God, what if I just spend like a little time in a cave? Like

(16:48):
when you just give me a break, let me go live in a cave. But it's staying is no, no, you inherited
your time. It's time to speak now. And when you go through certain stuff, it comes a point to where
you have to help other people. Yeah. That's it. That's the whole reason. Yeah. I mean, I done been
in so many situations, man, where people didn't help me. So, and I'm not opposed to helping people,

(17:12):
but I'm just a very independent guy. Yeah. And like, I'm okay sitting in a room full of people
and not saying shit. Yeah. Yeah. I've always said I'm not here to facilitate the revolution within
a person. I'm not here to lead you there. I'm not even a teacher. I'm just living my chaotic
experience. And if it comes across and was able to help somebody, great. But in the beginning of

(17:37):
my journey, like 15 years ago, I was always trying to like convince people to think the way I was
thinking, convince people to, you know, like, life is so much easier because I started thinking this
way and moving this way. So come over here and do it. Come over here and do it. And then that
also took me out of my own energy, you know, like figuring out how to transmute and transcend energy.
And then you're trying to communicate that to a person who is still earthbound. You know,

(18:00):
their mental is earthbound. That's going to swing me out of my energetic, you know, every time,
every time, even like, I haven't done it recently, but if I was to do it, I would swing my own self
out of my vibration, try to pull somebody into my shit. It's not possible. We're not compatible
there. So it's funny how we can be healers by not necessarily trying to do anything or we can

(18:23):
change people and impact their lives without having to physically touch them, but by doing exactly
what you're doing through the Oracle, through the story, through the voice. And I've had so many
people reach out to me. I will tell you, I uploaded, I didn't say nobody this, but the first day I
uploaded that witchcraft video, I started having dreams of people trying to put shit on me. Now,

(18:44):
it, it was, it didn't work, but I was fucking tired all the time. Yeah. Now that's the thing.
It may not stick to you, but the tiredness of you fighting it off the whole time is real.
Yeah. And people was like, when you coming out with the next one, I'm like, bitch, I'm tired.
Bitch, I'm tired. Like, man, people blowing up my inbox, I get on TikTok to thousands of notifications

(19:06):
and people are like, I'm stalking your page. I'm stalking your page. I got people telling me,
some of the people I was cool with, I can feel different witches and warlocks plotting on you.
They don't like that you exposing them. That girl you talking about. I can feel her watching your
page. I'm like, man, that's shit. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm out here, not here. Yeah. That's

(19:28):
basically it. You know, and like the old folks say, know who you are and who you are. For a very
long time on my social media, I didn't show my face. Yeah. Because when I did years ago, severe
things happened in my waking life after I showed my physical life on the internet. And so it spooked
me for lack of a better word. I'm not showing anything else. I will continue to give y'all memes

(19:51):
and posts and bare selfies because no. But then I just had to realize again, you know, throughout
history, the greatest leaders, the most influential leaders have been hated by the exact same people
who they trying to help. They have been scaved and hurt by the exact same people that did not
stop them. They didn't stop the fact that the creator created them to speak what they going to

(20:14):
speak, do what they going to do. And so, you know, not moving in fear and knowing ultimately that we
are protected and covered by something so much more ancient that if somebody is trying to come
against us, they got bigger problems on their head. Even if it minimally works and knocks us off of
our square for a little bit, we'll get back on. You done made a deal with some energy that you can't
suffice and it's not going to work out well. Listen, man, I was, said to my wife, my wife got

(20:38):
tired of me because I'm like, baby, I'm fucking tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. And she was like,
just fast and pray. And like the whole time I'm uploading the videos, I'm fucking fast. And like,
I will post a video, wait three to five days. And like, why you won't post a video every day?
I'm like, bitch, I'm fast. I can't. If I post a video every day at the end of me finishing this
series, my ass probably going to be in the graveyard. Yeah, seriously. And there's no rush.

(21:03):
You know, time doesn't exist. It's not real anyway. So you always have time. So there's no
reason for you to rush against a timeline or any of that. Release it when you have the energy and
when you are ready. And I'm realizing that because I, I like to get shit done. Yeah. I'm a man that,
that gets shit done. Like my wife, that's one characteristic that she loves about me. Like if

(21:25):
she comes to me with something, she trusts me and get it done. Cause I will. My mother was the same
way people in the military, they know I'm going to get it done. But because people know I'm going to
get it done when you are reliable, you get relied on and you get fucking used up. That's another
thing I unplugged from two years ago. That's another reason why I know it kind of why, why that
spiritual attack hit so heavily because I, at this point was a plug and a multi-prong plug, like the

(21:52):
extension cord that people were plugging into every stop that they possibly could. Can you do
this for me? Can you go here? Can you pick this up? Can you bring that here? And on top of energy,
you know, calling you with the deepest, darkest, saddest transit that they've ever been in. And
I'm dealing with that too. I completely unplugged and I will continue to be.

(22:12):
Man, when I came to you with my witchcraft store, I was like, I didn't want to like, man,
I don't even want to drop this off on this lady. I'm like, I hope she got some protection spells
or something. Cause this shit is heavy. It's always, it was always. And even with your situation,
like it was so evident, one in your birth chart, past life energies, it revealed also that you
had that connection with her. But I, from the first conversation I had with you about that

(22:36):
situation, I would preface our conversation before I even called you with protection. You know what
I'm saying? Like, because again, her energy is clearly potent, you know, it is whatever it is.
So I'm like, okay, we need all systems on guard. You know what I'm saying? We're not even going to
fuck with her. Cause it's real. It's real. And sometimes you don't even have to say the person's
name like that. And that let whoever's listening to this know that. If you are trying to energetically

(22:59):
cut away from or core cut away from, or not, you know, detached from somebody, do not speak their
name. The power in the name is so real. Figure out a nickname that you're going to call this motherfucker
if you just got to talk about them, you know, not to think about it. But if you have to, the power of
the name is so potent, you do not want to activate that stuff when you're trying to let somebody or

(23:21):
something go. I learned a lot from that girl. And in a sense, I'm thankful for her, but I just,
I felt like I could have learned all I learned in another way. I didn't feel like I had to,
I got out with my life, but I was traumatized for a year. Yeah. See, but, but what I remember
from our conversation is no, you needed that hard ass lesson. You, you yourself,

(23:44):
you needed that hard lesson. You would not move that way. No. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a hard head. You
know what I'm saying? But I learned, I learned from it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. As long
as you learn, you are living right. She told my ass, what she told my motherfucking ass,
that motherfucker had me crying. I'm a hard man. That girl had me crying. I was in that

(24:08):
motherfucker hitting the walls. See, got you all undone. Man, fuck, boy. I told my, I hope I never
see that motherfucker. Yeah. My favorite part of the inner gel lesson, when you learn what you need
to learn from that person and you never see him again, you know how you can see people in traffic

(24:29):
or I saw somebody at the grocery store. That does not happen when you have learned what you were
supposed to learn from them. You will quite literally never see them again, unless something
is happening with their family and your family. You know what I'm saying? Y'all are planning to be
in the same spot. That's my favorite part of it. But I keep running into a person or I keep thinking
about them or they keep coming across my timeline. I'm like, oh, I clearly have something to resolve.

(24:53):
It was a lot. And people on TikTok wanted me to keep talking about that shit. And I said in
2025, I ain't talking about that motherfucking girl no more, man. And I don't give a damn how
much attention it brings me. I want people to understand that shit entertainment for them,
but it was trauma for me. That shit was real. That's it. They got them girls trying to kill

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my wife. So I'm like, nah, it ain't cool for me, man. And a lot of people think that because I'm
a man, it was just all about sex. I do love sex. I ain't gonna cap to you, but it was deeper than
that. I was genuinely, she played me. She was very, very manipulative, man. I've never met a woman so

(25:38):
manipulative. She would read the Bible verses and prophesies over me and all this other shit,
and then turn around and be putting this shit on me. Yeah, she's a movie practitioner. Yeah,
sharing me some of the sweetest shit ever. Nothing about what she did was not normal.

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It was just, it wasn't fucking normal to me, man. I was like, I ain't doing this shit. You know what
I'm saying? Female goddamn, they sweet on me, but they ain't putting shit on me. Yeah. You
really? It's that light dark energy, bro. It's that light dark energy. What you gonna do with it? How
you gonna work with it? When you gonna work with it? And a person like that, that Jezebel spirit,
share the Jezebel spirit. I'm willing to manipulate in order to attain at any cost. But let's always

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remember Jezebel ass ended up getting ate up by dogs in the end. So she's never worth it.
Yeah. Yeah, she got fucked over. She's never worth it. She got fucked over, man. And it was just so
much, man. Like people, when I think back going on, I'm like, damn, that shit really happened. Actually,
the anniversary for me being her is coming up. It's coming up. And hopefully, I hope that day comes

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and goes and you don't pay any attention to it because it also is kind of still like paying homage
or giving offering to that part of your life where you don't need to. So I hope that day comes and
goes. And two days later, you're like, oh, dang, that was such and such day. Because that shows
your disconnection from it and not your fear or harboring or even sadness or being upset about it.

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Yeah. I was at McDonald's the other night and there was this car in front of me and this girl
got out of the car. I started twerking. I looked at that woman, man. It looked just like her. I threw
that motherfucking truck in reverse. I was trying to get the fuck up out of there, but I looked a
little closer and I was like, nah, that ain't her. But I was trying to leave that motherfucker. I'm
like, man, shit, don't tell me I ain't learned my lesson. I'm like, I can't go for a round too.

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Yeah, no, I'm glad I got to go opposite direction. Yeah. I'm safe. I call for a fucking round too.
She's been hanging up on my black. I can't, I can't cuss my ass out. I remember that wouldn't end
it well. I got certain cousins. They know not to even call me if it's the same thing. They don't
call me. I got a homeboy. I probably haven't talked to him in a year because for a whole entire year

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prior to all of the shit that went bad in his life, I told him Saturn's going to go into your,
I don't know what house it was. I said, and it's going to dishevel everything and you're hard
headed. You don't listen. And if you don't listen, Saturn's going to drag. He didn't want to listen.
You're going to lose your job. You're going to lose your girl. You're going to lose everything.
He not listening to me. Six, seven months later, it all started to happen. Everything started to
happen. We got lost and died. I went to jail. Like everything went wrong. And so because I know his

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girlfriend, I was like trying to not be nosy, but you already booked me for readings and shit. So I'm
trying to figure out like what's going on in your life. You know what I'm saying? Like you didn't
tell me what happened. And he literally said, man, I ain't fucking with Elle, man. He's like,
I don't want to talk to her. He's like, she going to tell me to chill. I don't want to hear.
Yeah, listen, man. The last time I called you, I was like, man, I'm like, bruh, fucking I need to

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talk to some goddamn woman. I know she going to chew my ass up. And that's why I call myself
cousin Elle, not Auntie. Although I'm about to be 40 in the end of this year, I'm not, I'm cousin
because Auntie might be like, Hey baby, that's okay. And I'm like, bitch, are you tripping? Why
are we still doing this? You know what I'm saying? I might be the cool cousin the first time. Oh,

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let's pass the blunt. Let's shoot the shit. Okay. I understand what you're going through.
Next time I'll come over to grandma's house, you still in that same bullshit. Now I got to
charge you up. What are you talking about? The last time, man, you were talking so goddamn fast,
I couldn't even hear you. I was like, fuck. I said, God, all I knew was that I was fucked up.
I couldn't even say nothing. I was like, fuck, boy, I'm chewing my ass up. I said, this is the

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moment. When I start talking fast, they could tell that's what I'm channeling spirit. Like don't,
don't interrupt her. Just let her see. I was like, fuck, boy. I was like, damn, I said,
it's going to be a minute before I call her ass again. It hurt my little guy. Now
I went back in the office. The last time I talked to you election day? I can't remember. This was

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like in 2020. I was doing like in 2021. Okay. Okay. Okay. That could have been then. Yes. Yes.
I don't feel like I was talking too fast around election day, but I could have been.
Like my ass up, man. I had your speakerphone like trying to hear you. I'm like, damn.
Every other word was like, you need to, you need to be, I'm like, shit, trying to take them to know.

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I'm like, shit, maybe I should have recorded this motherfucker. Maybe I should have recorded this
motherfucker because you chewed my ass up and got off the fucking phone. I went in the office,
just my damn sergeant like, are you all right? I'm like, shit, I don't know.
I'm processing. Yeah, probably not, but I got a whole lot going on, man. Like,
God damn, got a whole lot going on. But I think back on that situation, man, and I,

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it is funny because I think I thought that I learned my lesson, but it wasn't a thing
that I wanted to go back to her. My curiosity, it gets the best of me sometimes. There were certain
blanks that I wanted to feel because I got her pregnant the last time I saw her. And I had a
vision that she was pregnant and I kept having it, but in my head, I'm like, please fucking please.

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Please don't make me have to deal with her forever. But if you would have had to deal with her forever,
that would be your karma. I know. Because God brought the situation to you so you can learn,
upgrade, apply. We saw it for what it was and you realize like, okay, this is not going to be
conducive to my future. And then if you continue to entertain it, God's like, okay, but it's going to
be in your future for at least the next 18, 19 years. Exactly what he told me, man. He told me

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if I went back that I would get her pregnant, I would get her pregnant, she would keep the child.
But I want, I take care of my children. Yes. You know, it don't matter who you are, what I did.
So I wanted to, she said that she was going to get an abortion or whatever, but I wanted to see
some paperwork. Yeah. No, for real. You need, you need to do a, what do you call it? Like when you
case somebody, when you follow them around, I go to their house, go to the grocery. You need to see

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a little baby that walk around. That's what I wanted to do. But God said, no, he said, drop it. He
said, if you go near it, it's up. So I had to code Turkey situation and my wife was like, if I find
out you got a baby, I'm going to kill your ass. Yeah. But the thing is, is none of that stuff ever,
all secrets come out. My biological mother lied for, initially she lied for 13 years and told

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everybody that I died at birth. So my siblings, so everybody I died at birth, but I had gotten
adopted. So then my oldest sibling called her on it when she, when she was 13 and was like, why'd
you lie? She's like, you figured out when you get older, like you'll learn about that when you get
older. Okay. Then she, she still lies today. If we were to contact my biological mother right now,
today, she would say, I don't have a daughter that was born in July, 1985. Oh, that baby died. I was

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on the phone when I heard her say that, you know, how old black women do. I'm from a kind of small
town in Omaha, Nebraska. So then black women got on the phone maybe six, seven years ago and did a
three way and called her and were like, do you remember the baby you had in 1985? She was like,
I didn't have no baby in 1985. And then one of the other ladies was like, yes, you did. Cause I was
dating such and such and I was in the waiting room when she was born. And she was like, oh yeah,

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that baby died. Like she was still holding on to that. And they were like, no, that baby's very
much alive. She's on the phone. She wants to talk to you. She wants, you know, she wants some answers
and she didn't want to do that. And to this day she doesn't want to, but that's fine. I don't care.
That's her cross to bear for her to be buried in. But I will always rally on the fact that she tried
to hide me. You tried to hide me and I'm very much so out here. You try to lie and manipulate

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your whole entire family that a baby, the child did not exist. And I'm here. So whoever and whatever
is lying about a life or about a new generation or any of that, it will come out. It might come out
when you're 18, 19 years old, you know, cause especially these new kids, they want to know
about themselves. So I know two people in the last couple of years that had children in 2000,

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that they thought was not their kids. And those kids went and got their test in the last two
years to figure out that they were their parents. So it'll never be hidden. You know, if it, even if,
even if it tries to be hidden, it will not be. So the best that you can do is continue to grow
and nurture the relationship that you have with your family and your wife. And again, like you
said, cold turkey and leave all that behind. Yeah. The crazy part about it is in the vision,

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it was shown to me that she would get pregnant, but the baby would die. And then, uh, when I,
I ignored it for like a week and then my wife had the same vision and she was going to,
she was going to know that shit because my wife is, my wife is actually the one that recommended
me to you. Her, her gift is so top tier. It's extra worldly. I really, really respect. Yeah.

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She, she taught me a lot, but you know, when, uh, actually when, when she, when she, when she got
angry, this was when I first met her, when she was kind of unhealed, when she got angry, she kind of,
you know, was on her left hand shit. I had to worry, but you know, but she, she got good control,
man. But she was like, I pulled your ass up. She played with me. That's it. Let's get it. I understand.

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Let's get it. I don't, do not play with me. Everyone liked that though. Everyone liked that, man. She was,
you know what I'm saying? Like I, I fasted for four years before I met her and I healed. And when I
met her, she was unhealed and she brought all her trauma from every relationship to me. Yeah. And
I'm like, I don't deserve this, but every time I left her. See, that's not even about you deserving.
That's you being a man. You know, men, uh, are the provider and the protector. So it's great that you

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were able to already go off and do your healing because you were supposed to provide space for
her to heal. And you'd be the protector. You'd be the one that remedied everything that had went
wrong before and give her the safe haven of knowing it was okay to take that skin off, take off whatever
warrior, uh, metal she's been wearing and be okay. Cause she was safe. That ain't, it's not fun and

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easy. I can only imagine for the man who has to inherit it, it can't be fun and easy, but I'm glad
somebody said it because them women was like, you know, you supposed to do this. It don't matter.
I'm like, I'm here with you. Yeah, yeah. That part too. And then that comes into your partner
learning and understanding that it's not always just about her needs and what she's going through
on her traumas, but then being an open book for you and a, and a well to get you back up.

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I don't do toxic man. Like every relationship that I'd have been in, like if the woman is,
I like healed. I like healed if I'm able, but for some odd reasons, I don't, God reserves the, the
good people for assholes. And it's like, it's like, if I'm a healer, he put me with somebody
who ain't healed so they can be in my aura and you know, this weird shit. And that's really how it is.

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The healed women get with shitty ass men. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, but I think again,
it's just the balance of how people are saying like, there's no, there's no good man or there's
no good women. No, there are just the same amount of good men and good women as there are shitty men
and shitty women, but because opposites attract, that's why we always end up with the one who's

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not much like us. You know what I'm saying? The suburban girl is going to marry the nigger from
the hood because that's how it goes. That's really what it is now. She, I took her to the hood, man,
and she was like, Oh, I saw this, I saw this on TV and this and that. And I'm like, you know, hell
no, she want to go on a fucking field trip in the hood. I'm like, we ain't fucking going to the hood.
You crazy? Niggas getting killed over there. I'm not going over there, man, but the fuck.

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I'm saying it's crazy, but she want to watch the ghetto movies and shit. I don't like watching that.
I grew up in that, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? Niggas selling drugs and getting killed.
I grew up in that. Yeah. It's certain, you know, movies and shows and things like that, that depict
reality for people who experience certain things that they cannot watch it. I got a home girl who
refuses to watch boys in the hood or anything like it. She said, that's my reality. Why am I

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going to watch y'all, you know, be entertained by some shit that I really had to live for, live
through? I'm not, I'm not interested in it. Same, you know, for me, anything that has to do with the
abuse of a woman or the fondling of a child, or even if it's a girl getting her rebirth back,
I don't give a, I'm not watching it. I will not watch it. I will have an attitude. I will be pissed
off. It's the equivalent to me watching some shit with slavery. I'm going to slap the shit out of

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somebody. So it's best that I just stay watching the things that help me feel better in my life.
Yeah, man. My wife like that, man. I don't, I don't do slave movies. I watched that movie.
What was the name of it, man? The guy where they, it's going to bother me. I don't know
on it, but he was a, a, a, an activist and it was a person inside of his own organization that set

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him up and his girlfriend or his wife was on top of him in the end. He was poisoned. Fred Hampton,
Fred Hampton. That was a fucking sad movie. Yes. And I love Fred Hampton, but his whole story is
sad to me. I always say he's the original rapper. He was rapping before rap was a thing, but he was
a political rapper getting the facts across 21 years old, taking off this earth and set up.

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And unfortunately they always have to set us up from within. They can, you know, they can never
send one of their own to do it. And one of our own is always willing to do it for a little bit
of a payoff. Unfortunately. And it's like, it's crazy that it's like, I have no doubt about it
that he was, that he was chosen man. And that's the fate that comes with the shit. And it's like,
what the fuck man? It's like, hell that shit suck. Now I'm sure, you know, spiritually he got his

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rewards because he, I imagine he did what he was meant to do on earth, but you know, he, that was
shitty. Yeah. Very short lived life. All of them, you know, all of them, you think about the
militants that led the beginning of our civil rights journey. They were all young. We're talking
kids, you know, we're talking 25 and younger, the oldest person, maybe MLK and Malcolm. And even

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that that's young for what we think about today, you know, but so influential, so monumental for
the time. But then unfortunately, we know the government is another power at be. So you got
too much motion. You got too much movement. That's going to be a discriminatory. Like I've talked
about on my page before how the CIA, so secret service showed up at my house. I guess this would

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have been 2011 because my mom died 2012. So 2011, they showed up at my house. Cause I was so militant
and crazy on social media about like this fucked system. Like everybody was so happy about Barack
Obama. And I was literally up and down niggas people, people timeline, like fuck him. Y'all,
y'all traded the black vote for a half black. Like I was going ham. Like I was going nuts,

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right? Like this going fucking insane. And so I do remember, like I said on my page, I remember
what I said that got the secret service to my house. But when I wrote it, when I tweeted it,
I didn't think it was going to be that influential. Like, and I was talking so much shit every day. I
was talking so much shit. So I wasn't thinking about that, but I made that post in like August
of 2010. And then March of 2011 is when the secret service showed up in my house. And they first

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showed up in my uncle's house and my little cousin, he plays too much. So he called me and he was like,
Lauren, they're outside looking for you, secret service. I was like, you play too much. Get off
my phone. My uncle got on the phone and was like, no, he's like, I don't know what you did this time.
And it's so funny now, like when we tell the whole story as a family, they say, cause that's the,
this time, this thing is always this shit. I'm always doing something. So my uncle was like,
I don't know what you did this time, but they really out there. These people really looking for

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you. They gave us cards. What do you want us to do? I said, send it to my house. Again, I had nothing
to fucking lose. I'm like 25. I got nothing to lose. I got no kids. What's up? And I'm all the way
feeling like Huey P Newton, Fred Hampton. So they come, my child's father, we had only been dating

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for 30 days and in that 30 days I had burned up his clothes. Now the secret service.
That came on him himself. He should have never talked. Don't have to be crazy. And I was, I was
unhealed, toxic, unhinged, crazy. That'd be the worst. 30 days he see it. I didn't burn the shit

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up and not a secret service at the house. You know, now our child is, uh, she'll be nine this year,
but we always jokingly talk about, like, you always knew I was crazy. So don't, you knew from the day
one month, I was with that shit. When he comes to the house, he says, um, how you doing? I was like,
I'm good. I said, but the secret service is going to be here in a couple of minutes. He's like,
you bullshit. I was like, no, I'm good. My uncle just called. They're going to be here. He's like,

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you don't look nervous at all. I had just got done working out. I'm about to eat my rice for the
evening. So they get there. They questioned me. Everything they asked me. I kept saying,
you're with the government. Why would I answer you? You're with the government. Why would I ask?
They said, are you a member of any militant organizations? You're with the government. Why
would I not say you're the feds? Why would I answer that? Every answer. That's what my answer was.

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And so they turned to my child's father at that time and they say, would you say that she's violent?
And he's, I wouldn't say she's violent, but if you push her into a corner, she's going to come out
swinging on you. Yeah. Okay. So then they take him outside and he said, when they got him outside,
they said, okay, you're alone now. Is she violent? Does she hurt you? I want some polling shit, man.
I want some polling shit. So they said, do you know why we're here? I said, no, I would love to know

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why. They said, do you remember a tweet that you wrote against Obama, basically like terroristic
threat? And I was like, no, I've talked a lot of shit this last year. Is that what I said? I've
talked a lot of shit this year. So I don't know what y'all caught. And so he brings up this dude.
He had like a sheet long of all my fucking tweets. And he said, this is the one we're here for. And
it was highlighted. And I already proved that. And I said, okay, actually why are you all here for

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that? He said, we need to talk to your mother. My mom was in Nebraska. I was living in Texas.
They said, we need to talk to your mom to see if you're crazy. Do you have the mental capacity
to build bombs? You know, all of that. I said, first of all, I'm a student. I was still going
to school at that time. I was like, I'm a student. I'm broke. I probably got $5 to my name. I don't
have no money for no damn bomb. They're like, we're gonna call your mom. So it ended with them

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taking pictures of my life, you know, from my chest up, all my tattoos, anything. They took all my
tattoos. They put me on the attorney general's list. And they said, if you ever get flagged for
anything like this again, whether it's on social media or in real life, you will then go before the
attorney general and it will be up to them what your punishment is. And they left. So my child's

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father was, he was still shook. I knew that he was scared. I called my mom. I called my mom. She was
like, Lauren, you're not scared? I said, mom, this is what I've been waiting for. Like every militant
person who came before me, it's so proud of me. Like there's a party in heaven right now in militant
heaven because of me. So funny. But to this day, that's why I'm very nitpicky about what I talk

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about on social media. Very nitpicky because how we all joke about having a spy. I know that I have
a spy. I know that there's a person who's watching my Twitter, watching my Instagram, they're watching
it and they waiting. They waiting for me to say some crazy ass shit. That's crazy, man. And I wonder,
I wonder if they would have had the same energy as you as white man. I wonder. Questions that need

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answers. If they would have had the same energy as you as white man. Cause they would not have.
Cause they would not have. That's crazy, man. That is wild. The whole taking pictures, that shit they
do when they arrest you. I got arrested fucking in 2021 and I didn't feel like I was in jail until
they took a picture of all my tattoos and all this shit. I told him, man, I just got this one right

(45:08):
here. He said, okay, take your shirt off. I was like, okay, I got this one, this one, this one,
this one, this one right here too. I'm like shit, I had forgot about it. Shit all over my back, man.
I didn't feel like I was in jail, man, until because when they list your tattoo, those are
identifying marks. That's what I was like, wait a second. They are going to be able to pick me out

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anywhere with these headphones in the back of my neck. Yeah. That's why I don't have anything
visible, which it will maybe accept this right here, but I don't have none of my shit visible.
I'm like, man, I don't ever want to go. They took my damn guns. I still ain't got my guns.
Because it's in somebody, it's in one of them laws gun collection. Yeah, I know. They took my AK
for all to sell. It's in their gun cabinet. Shotgun. And when I won the case, I went back to court to

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get it. And the DA was like, if you get these guns back, I'm going to reopen the case. And my lawyer
was like, have your freedom, take the L. Take that freedom. You can buy them guns anywhere.
And even if they will, even if you can't get them again, so what? Yeah. But I was like, fuck man,
because I build guns and sell them. It's a passion of mine. You know what I'm saying? I was in the
military. I built them and sell them. And I had some dope ass shit. And they took all my bullets.

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And I'm like, they left me with nothing but the fucking magazines, man. Yeah. I still got
pictures of my shit on my phone. The fucking paperwork with all the laws on it and shit. I'm
like, man, but I bought new guns. I bought new guns, but I want my shit back. Well, everything
that is lost is always replenished one way or another. And it may take a little bit of time

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or energetic upgrade to receive it again, but it'll come through. I learned my lesson. Now,
a lot of times the way I see it, man, a lot of times God will let us get burned without getting
incinerated. So they took my guns, but I got my freedom. That's it. It's themed because I love
my fucking guns. Yeah. It's your ego. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your ego is dying in order for a

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better part of your soul to be re-burnt every time. Yeah. Man, it's crazy, man. This journey shit is
interesting, but I can feel myself becoming a more patient man than I in the beginning.
Me and my wife broke up and separated so many damn times because she was crazy as hell. And
I took four years in healing. I didn't heal to deal with nobody else's shit. So every time I would

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leave and he would tell me, go back, go back. I didn't listen. My life would start falling apart
until I got back with her. Then shit started coming together. And I kept asking why I'm out
with this woman and this thing was you need her and she needs you for the growth that needs to
happen in this lifetime for y'all. And I understand it now because everything that I'm not, she is and

(47:44):
everything that she's not, I am. That's it. So it's like, you know, pieces to the puzzle.
That's exactly it. I was going to say we're all jagged pieces of the puzzle looking for your
other jagged piece. None of us are perfect. So you need that jagged piece that perfectly matches
your jacket piece. Yeah. She, um, my wife actually, she told me to ask you, did you remember her
earlier? Yes. Tell her I said what it do. Oh my God. I hope that she's doing so good. She is my damn

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girl crazy. It's crazy because, you know, I had left her and was dealing with another woman and
I'm getting fucked up and I had to come calling her like to her like, you know, I need some help.
You ain't know I'm the father of your children. You gonna let me die and shit. Yeah, that's your
own problem. I didn't do it. Yeah, I'm saying that. That's how she was in the beginning. You know,

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she loved me and I know I loved her at the moment. I was just hurt and angry to her to realize that
I'm still in love with this woman. But, um, she was like, I know somebody and I'm like, fucking
give me your shit. I appreciate that for sure. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. She spoke highly of me, man.
She spoke highly of me. I had mentioned that I was going to do an interview with you and she just

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started laughing. I'm like, oh yeah. I'm sorry. I know she's gonna be interested to see it, man.
If you had to give any advice to the people watching from your experience, whether they are,
I want to say everybody on the spiritual journey, whether they are aware of it or not,
but for the people that's for another day for another topic. Yeah. For the people that's

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watching this, if you have to give them any advice, what would it be? Keep God first. No matter where
you go on the spiritual journey, know that you will go away from your tradition. You will go away from
the things that you once knew and the things that once made sense to you. And you may meet and
encounter many different spirits, deities, entities, energies. Many of them may be supportive of you.

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They may be loving of you and protective of you, but keep the most high God and goddess at the
forefront of your journey. Trust your intuition above all things. No matter what somebody tells
you is what can work or will work. Trust your intuition. If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't
work for you. You don't have to be a crystal worshiper. You don't have to venerate your
ancestors. You don't have to meditate to the East every day. You figure out what works for you and

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then cycle it out when it no longer works for you. And then I'm sure that this is kind of
preaching to the choir, but no one is coming to save you. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful
way, but I mean, no one's going to do your work for you. No one's going to teach you or help you
to manifest and protect your energy and to build your relationship with the entities and energies

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in your life. You have to do that. You have to be willing to facilitate it. You have to be willing
to get drugged. You have to be willing to leave every part of you that was once comfortable at the
crossroads. You'll meet them again. You'll meet that version of yourself again, and you'll be able
to retrieve them, but not until you become an upgraded version of it. I can be that I can be
that the last lady I interviewed, her advice was trust your intuition. Yeah. And some people don't

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know the difference between their intuition and their fear. It was a girl who stole my mama's
quote years ago. And it's why I don't be putting you on the internet, but my mama told me my whole
life. You can tell the difference between your intuition and your fear because one's in your
chest and one's in your stomach. Yeah. Your intuition is in your stomach. Like my gut feeling,

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my gut intuition told me to go this way. Fear is your chest. Anxiety. You all have an anxiety,
okay? You just not thinking clearly. You're not breathing deeply. You're not allowing
spirit to navigate you the way that is going to happen. So, and then when we get into human
design, which is another conversation for another time, human design depicts where you hold your
intuition. So some people hold their intuition when they're up and moving around and like jogging and

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out in the world. Other people's intuition activates when they're by themselves, when they're in the
bath, when they're in the shower. So figuring out again, what your intuition process looks like,
and then not swaying from it, making all the difference as well. That's interesting, man.
I thought I was the only one that felt that shit in my stomach, man. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And
you got some people who don't have any solar plexus action. So they don't have any manifesting

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generator energy there. Therefore, they're not going to feel their intuition there. They might
feel their intuition somewhere else mentally, you know, in their heart, because that's not where they
don't even carry the space there. That's interesting, man. I learned something new today. I thought I
was the only one that felt it in my stomach. Like whenever, whenever I grew up watching demons and
stuff get called out of people and whenever I was in the presence of it, my stomach would crumble

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the fuck up and it's just like you are in the presence of danger. Yeah. So I appreciate the time
is always maybe in the future, depending on how I know a lot of people, they want to hear from you.
I am grateful to this opportunity. I'm grateful to my connection with you, grateful to your wife,
my age, and her, my energy. I definitely am going to start pairing with people on my podcast. I've

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had podcasts for three or four years at this point, but I was never really bringing people in. So
2025 networking, it's Pluto and Aquarius. We're in a year nine. This is just my little astrology
spiel and this is mine for connecting with networks, connecting with communities, you know,
building within your community. So I definitely will be reaching out to you to do some exposés on

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my podcast. So I definitely look forward to working with you again in the near future,
keep growing, being abundant, stay grounded, stay focused, but get ready to blow up. Yeah.
I appreciate you. Have a good time with your family and I'll talk to you soon.
Man, homie, I had to stop it at an hour, right around an hour at all, because me and her can go

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on and on and on, but that won't be the only time we chop it up like this in this manner.
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through something, I'll let her, but I warn you, if you're in a jam, right, and you're on assignment
trying to destroy shit, whatever you plot, you might as well plot for your damn self. Whatever
hole you dig and bitch, you might as well dig it for yourself and throw your ass in that motherfucker.

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But thank y'all for attending. What questions and comments do you have?
Drop them in the comments below. Until then, deuces.