May 30, 2025 • 47 mins
In this juicy, joy-fueled episode, Emily Sin (Rebecca), Jayson, and Moth (co-host of Uncensored) sit down to spill the glittery tea on Glasgow’s hottest queer, kink and sex positive market: Uncensored.
We dive deep into how Uncensored was born — out of spite and a desire for raw, radical, community-led spaces that center queerness, pleasure, creativity, and unapologetic self-expression. From sold-out markets and euphoric launch parties to our core values of safety, consent, and play, we reflect on how far we've come and the community that’s made it possible.
We also chat about the Summer of Queer Love — a cheeky nod to the original ‘Summer of Love,’ and the rising tide of free love, bodily autonomy, and queer joy in a world that’s trying hard to silence us.
And because we can’t help ourselves, we’re teasing what’s next: think Uncensored Lounge, new market adventures, and… maybe some play parties and kinky life drawing sessions? 👀
If you’ve ever wanted a peek behind the curtain of the kinkiest, queerest, most love-soaked event in Glasgow, this one’s for you.
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Rebecca (00:00):
Today we've got a very special guest on the podcast,
Moth of Moth to Flame Events andthe other half of the
Uncensored team.
Moth (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Moth, I run, as it was said, Moth to
Flame Events, and thanks toRebecca I also co-host
Uncensored Market.
And I'm
Jayson (00:14):
Jason, and I run our stall.
at the Uncensored Market.
Rebecca (00:20):
And as Moth said, I'm the other co-host of the
Uncensored Market.
I thought today we could do alittle episode on just
Uncensored in general.
How it started, how it's goingand where it's headed in the
future.
So
Jayson (00:31):
the first bit that we would like to speak about is the
birth of Uncensored, how itcame to be in the first place.
Moth (00:39):
Many moons ago now, I was running a Halloween-themed
market, as it's the best seasonof the year.
Rebecca (00:45):
Halloween Hold Down.
Moth (00:46):
Halloween Hold Down.
Amazing name.
I can't even take credit forit.
I let it be a public poll, andthat was the best suggestion by
far.
And Rebecca and Jason hadapplied with Sanctuary of Sin.
And through somemiscommunication with the venue,
they weren't able to tradebecause it was an 18 plus stall.
And so honestly, Uncensored waskind of born out of spite.
Rebecca (01:06):
Yeah, which is always the best thing.
Which is how all good thingsare made.
Yeah, definitely.
Moth (01:11):
And it just sort of warmed its way out from there.
Meetings and coffees later sortof became the speakeasy market
was how it began.
Into a much catchier name, Iwould say, of the Uncensored
market.
Rebecca (01:24):
Yeah.
I think with everything that wasgoing on, we were still just
starting out our business andone of the main difficulties we
had in the beginning was justhow much censorship was going on
on social media.
And then because this, asyou've said, kind of got born
out of your market beingcensored, it just kind of fell
into place.
(01:44):
It made total sense to be...
Kind of at the heart of whatthe plans were for it going
forward.
Moth (01:51):
And also I felt pretty bad that I'd said, yeah, sure, come
along.
And then it was just notallowed.
Rebecca (01:57):
Yeah, totally out of your control.
Moth (01:59):
Yeah.
Rebecca (02:01):
It was only a couple of weeks before, wasn't it?
They'd let it get so far
Moth (02:04):
into the process.
Yeah, I think we were alreadyinto October.
Yeah.
And I was told it wasn'tallowed.
But then other things werehappening with the market that
just...
went a bit downhill like ourfood truck never showed up so
there was some real learningcurves there so it has benefited
the uncensored market
Rebecca (02:23):
yeah a lot of lessons learned
Moth (02:25):
yeah you gotta do it once at least to figure out the
issues
Rebecca (02:29):
which is always handy between that and just you know a
lot of people that we werespeaking to there was just such
like a kind of crackdown on notonly like kind of sex positivity
terms in the media but also onlike queer spaces and queer
terms like there is a bit ofkind of an epidemic going on
with that even now like it'srecently there seems to have
been like another kind of pushfor that I know a lot of people
(02:51):
who are getting their accountsand stuff shut down and we
wanted to create a space thatyou know people from these
industries could come and justbe themselves and be uncensored
in an environment and yeah soone of the other things that we
kind of had like quite a focuson was accessibility right from
the beginning just becausecoming from kind of the
(03:15):
different backgrounds that wedid.
Like I had been going to like alot of kink events and stuff
like that and there just wasn'treally many just kink events in
general or markets in Scotlandthat I was aware of that was
fully accessible for people.
So that was kind of one of thethings that we wanted to make
(03:35):
sure was a part of Uncensoredright from the beginning as much
as was physically possible.
Glasgow being quite an old cityand a lot of listed buildings.
Jayson (03:45):
This is something we've touched on already in previous
episodes that just generally thebuildings that these types of
events have the opportunity totake place in do tend to be a
bit more restricted with theiraccessibility.
Moth (04:02):
When we were first starting out the market, I was
still using a walking stick fulltime.
So not only was it necessityfor guests, but even for me to
be getting around, just havingsteps everywhere was just not
going to work out.
Rebecca (04:14):
So this is kind of why we thought there needed to be
something a bit different on thekind of queering kink scene in
Glasgow, as well as For ourbusiness as well.
Us having a selection of toysand gear that's curated rather
than handmade meant that some ofthe existing craft markets and
stuff in Scotland we weren'table to go to.
Jayson (04:36):
Yeah, a lot of them only catered to handmade items so we
kind of slipped through thecracks a little bit with respect
to that.
Rebecca (04:45):
What does uncensored mean to you?
I
Moth (04:49):
think uncensored for me is...
a totally safe space for somany different people not just
people who are in the kink scenequeer people but just anyone
from beginners to folk that havebeen on the scene for probably
longer than i've been alive aswell as also being an event that
(05:09):
i'd want to go to
Rebecca (05:10):
yeah i think this was like one of the main things was
like we wanted to make it for usbecause we were kind of like
you know for the community bythe community yeah it needed to
suit us to suit the community aswell
Moth (05:21):
i also very selfishly pretty much refuse to run events
that i wouldn't just want toattend as a guest so i'm still
having fun while i'm there yeahtotally
Rebecca (05:29):
i feel like that's the best way because you're just not
going to put your all intosomething that you're not
enjoying
Moth (05:33):
no which is why like things like drag shows make
sense for me because i wouldhave gone to it anyway it just
so happens i'm running itinstead
Rebecca (05:40):
it means you get to be there for free
Moth (05:42):
yeah i'm getting paid to be there
Rebecca (05:44):
yeah more to the point yeah
Jayson (05:46):
We're also in that boat as what we do is something that
we would have wanted to make useof as customers.
This
Rebecca (05:55):
has always been how we've made decisions as we are
our ideal customer and I feellike that came across to
Uncensored as well.
Moth (06:03):
Gives you a much better insight for what people want to
see if you are the people thatare wanting to see it.
Rebecca (06:08):
Totally.
So Uncensored for me is peoplehaving the freedom to express
who they are kind of break freefrom stigma and shame and the
kind of taboos associated withthe sex industry but also the
queer community as well I feellike there's still a bit of
lasting not obviously as much asthere has in years past but I
(06:28):
would say that over the last fewyears that is changing and
things are kind of starting tofeel a bit like the dark ages
again it's important for peopleto be able to have a space where
they can be themselves and beseen and be valued and be
celebrated
Jayson (06:43):
Yeah, so for me, Uncensored, it goes beyond just
being a place where you feelaccepted, but it's a place where
you feel embraced by thecommunity.
It's so close andcommunity-spirited that it's
hard not to just get wrapped upin it all and leave feeling just
(07:04):
really nice.
Moth (07:05):
That's all you can really ask for when you're hosting it,
is folk actually enjoying itfrom every aspect and...
Feeling like the whole thing'sjust a natural community space.
Jayson (07:15):
Yeah, aye.
Dunno, there's so many, there'sso many kind of markets and
stuff that you go to as a traderthat turn up, do your thing and
then leave.
And there's not a lot, not asmuch kind of interaction with
people in a meaningful way.
Whereas I think at Uncensored,you feel very connected to the
(07:36):
people.
I've found you have some reallygood in-depth chats.
People willing to askquestions, things that they
don't know about and asking foradvice and asking to be
signposted to workshops andevents and things like that
because they're taking earliersteps into these spaces.
(07:57):
Feeling comfortable enough inthat space to...
think about moving wider outafterwards.
So do you want to tell us a bitabout your core messaging and
your safe space values?
Moth (08:10):
I think the main message that Uncensored has held since
the start has been asex-positive, sex-educational
space.
From the first market, we'vehad stalls for charities to come
and speak to people free ofcharge.
We just want to support peoplethat can give a message into it.
exploring sex in a way that isfun for everyone involved but
(08:34):
also in a way that's as safe ascan be whether that be through
contraception or communicationskills and things like that
that's sort of been a groundrule message is you can have as
much fun as you like but youneed to do it in a safe and
secure way
Rebecca (08:49):
yeah i think that was one of the main things like we
we didn't want to come into thespace and make something new in
and of itself but kind of buildup what was already there and
support other people within thelocal community and kind of
almost like bolster thecommunity that existed already
Moth (09:05):
we're not trying to push anybody out but
Rebecca (09:06):
no
Moth (09:07):
build up everyone that's already there
Rebecca (09:08):
yeah because we all need to stick together like it's
a space that is threatened youknow and part of that is not not
being in competition with eachother but supporting each other
and building on each other andcreating something really
special because of that
Jayson (09:23):
and i think as from the point of view of the community,
the more events and the morethings there are for them, the
better.
Rather than it being, oh,people competing with each
other, let's just provide morestuff for the people that need
it.
Rebecca (09:40):
Yeah, it creates more opportunities, it creates more
options, it means that thecommunity is going to grow and
get bigger and that can onlyhelp everybody involved.
Yeah.
So we kind of touched on alittle bit about as well that we
are part of the community thatwe're serving and that we want
to see it grow from not justlike a business point of view
but personally as well that wewant to see there be more things
(10:04):
in the community but evenwithin that we can come from
slightly different backgroundsand that myself and Jason can
attend a lot more kink eventsand stuff whereas you're part of
the queer community in a biggerway than I would say that we
have been up until mayberecently where I feel like we're
kind of branching out a wee bitwe're still new so we will get
there but I think that's beenlike really important and really
(10:26):
good and that we've had suchvaried kind of experiences to
kind of bring together to kindof build something that is
serving kind of multiplecommunities at once and also
people that kind of exist withinall these communities at once
because there's a massivecrossover between all these
spaces but it's not one that Ithink is necessarily kind of
(10:47):
represented at the moment and atleast in the market side of
things in Scotland
Moth (10:52):
yeah the entire kink scene i was pretty much not in
communication with at all beforeyeah so i was exclusively just
doing pretty much queer eventsunintentionally that's just
events i want to go to queerevents therefore that's what i
was doing yeah um so this hasbeen an absolute eye-opener to
(11:15):
so many different aspects of thekinkuni but also i'm fully
aware that it's by no means anexclusive list there it goes so
far beyond just what we're doing
Rebecca (11:24):
yeah definitely
Moth (11:25):
but it's been incredibly eye-opening and we've met some
truly incredible folk liketraders charities guests who
just will support us to no endyeah and will come all our
markets and all our launchnights and everything and
there's just so many incrediblefolk
Rebecca (11:40):
yeah
Moth (11:41):
and it's been such a whirlwind ride that has really
pushed what I thought eventscould be to a whole new level
Rebecca (11:49):
I think that's been quite key as well for us is that
throughout all of this you knowwe always ask for feedback and
the engagement we have had forthe feedback has been amazing
you know like I feel like whenyou put something like that out
there you maybe expect like oneor two people to fill in the
form because it's notnecessarily part of the
experience it's not somethingeverybody's going to want to do
(12:11):
but my god like the amount offeedback that we've had and that
has allowed us to be able tobuild on things and change
things and adapt and kind ofgrow the event into something
even more suited to thecommunity it's serving has been
like a big part of why I feelwe've been as successful as we
have is that we've listened
Moth (12:31):
yeah and I find with a lot of events you get feedback
because people don't enjoythemselves yeah but I would say
with Uncensored we've hadnothing but positive things and
then a little bit ofconstructive feedback yeah I've
enjoyed everything but it wouldbe nice if xyz
Rebecca (12:48):
it's been more suggestions rather
Moth (12:50):
than even criticism as such such just a sigh of relief
people are not just sending youfeedback and saying here this
was the worst thing I've everattended they're actually saying
we had fun what we did and whatwe got to partake in was a
great time hear something forthe future and that's such a
great way to work
Jayson (13:08):
I think just the levels of engagement you've had with
the feedback process has kind ofgives an indication of how much
people have actually enjoyed itthat they're willing to get in
touch and tell you about it
Moth (13:23):
yeah folk want to see it grow rather than shit on it
basically
Jayson (13:27):
yeah
Rebecca (13:27):
So another thing we can pride ourselves on is being a
safe space.
It's even part of our kind oftagline.
I think because of that, that'spart of why we've amassed such
a supportive community.
I think it's been a bit of aself-fulfilling prophecy in
that, you know, if you marketthings in such a way, and have
the policies and procedures tomatch, obviously, but I feel
like that's not necessarily whatpeople are seeing.
(13:48):
Like, it does just attract theright kind of people when you
are kind of making it obviousthat people that are going to
come and cause trouble are...
there's going to beconsequences to that.
Yeah, prioritising consent andrespect with clear rules,
guidance and policies has kindof backed up what we're saying
on that front.
And I think we've been quitelucky in that we've not really
(14:10):
had much to deal with.
Moth (14:12):
So I think us being very open and for about who we are as
individuals, not just themystery faces behind Uncensored,
has kind of projected what we'dwant to see.
So obviously in recent times,trans rights are under threat.
And since day one, we've alwayshad just unlabeled bathrooms
for folks to come into.
(14:32):
It's been no stress about whatnames people put on their
tickets or what they use to signup to workshops.
It's creating something thatwe're proud to have our faces
and our names to and ourbusinesses associated with.
Rebecca (14:47):
I think that paired with the fact that we've not
really shied away from beingpolitical and the kind of stuff
that we've put out there.
We've always been verysupportive of...
like the Free Palestinemovement, the decriminalisation
of sex work as well as transrights.
It's something that we've beenvery vocal about and very much
(15:09):
put to our name.
I feel like that's potentiallybeen part of what has meant
people that don't hold theirvalues don't want to be there.
yeah
Jayson (15:21):
it's kind of like a bit of a screening process yeah
that's exactly what i wasthinking so open about your
views and things that you holdquite important and make that
part of the the kind ofmessaging of the event and stuff
as well um it's automaticallyputting off people who don't
align with that um
Moth (15:42):
yeah and i think if you've looked at our instagram and all
the absolute radical stuffwe're putting on our story it's
absolutely not going to attractthe wrong person yeah things
like abortion rights and nopride in genocide which we've
put on censored with uh thecabaret against hate for all
their trans rights stuff andjust everything they're involved
(16:03):
with we've been so vocal aboutsupporting these movements that
there is no way someone's goingto accidentally stumble upon us
and think we're any thought veryleft-wing individuals yeah
Rebecca (16:13):
Aye, both of us have attended protests with
Uncensored as well, and yeah, Ithink you kind of look at your
page and know, and be a fascistand want to come along.
Yeah, it's just not going towork.
Yeah, you're outnumbered.
Yeah, sniff you out as soon asyou walk in the door.
Aye, I think that's one of themost affirming things for me is,
(16:35):
you know, at the markets, likelooking around and...
seeing people just fullyembracing and being themselves
and the amount of like pups wehave and furries and people that
tend to maybe get like somehate and stuff in public just
walking around and just beingtotally free and being
comfortable it's yeah it'slovely to see and i feel like
(16:59):
that to me shows that we are asafe space and that people are
feeling totally safe in thatspace
Moth (17:05):
yeah it's honestly a little bit of an ego boost which
is horrible but seeing folkliving so authentically which I
think for a lot of peopleincluding myself can take so
long to get to that point yeahand if even for one day in the
summer we've created somewherefor people to just come and be
them it's so fun and so nice tosee
Rebecca (17:23):
it's beautiful it really is
Jayson (17:25):
There was a particular example of this that stood out
to me.
There was one person thatturned up and kind of pulled me
to the side because they werethere a wee bit early and they
just had some questions becausethey weren't out to their family
or their job and things likethat where they were fearful of
(17:45):
what might happen if...
they got outed yeah and they'vehad bad experiences at some
events before you know picturesgetting taken without their
consent and things like that andyou know after having a wee
chat they were feeling a lotbetter and then they stuck about
the entire day and they justkept coming by to tell me how
great a time they were havingand that they felt so
(18:07):
comfortable and that that wasjust so nice to see that's a
Moth (18:11):
real win to be honest because we've got the little
social area And it is open allday.
Yeah.
So if folk think, this is theplace I want to hang about all
day, that's more than okay.
Whether they buy anything ornot, whether they just sit and
have a drink or they're justwatching the shows, it's
somewhere for them to be safeand welcome and happy.
And we're always about having achat to anyone that will
(18:34):
listen, so it keeps peopleoccupied,
Jayson (18:37):
I would say.
It's a lovely wee break for theoutside world and the
adjustments you need to maybemake to yourself to...
make life easy day to day.
Rebecca (18:47):
I feel like it's stories like that that make it
all worth it.
Do you know, even if we hadjust one of them and we've got
several at this point fordifferent places and like, I
don't know, it brings a wee tearto my eye every time because
it's just, it makes it all worthit.
We're doing what we set out todo.
Moth (19:00):
Yeah, and it's having a genuine positive impact on
people's lives.
Even if it is just one day,it's a day that has let them be
free in themselves.
Rebecca (19:08):
Yeah.
Jayson (19:08):
Do you want to tell us a little bit about what your
milestones or highlights havebeen so far?
Rebecca (19:13):
Yeah, so with two markets and two launch parties
under our belt, we're proud ofwhat we've managed to achieve in
our first year.
Shout out to Makaku for thebanging food we had at the
Uncensored Birthday Partybecause that was amazing.
Moth (19:25):
It was almost inspiring.
Yeah.
Made it all worth it just
Rebecca (19:29):
for that.
I feel like it's been a bigyear.
It's been...
Like, I feel like when westarted, those weren't
necessarily where I seen usbeing at the end of our first
year.
Moth (19:39):
No, I was so unsure of where, just uncensored as a
brand was going to end up, thatthe first market was so
incredible.
Yeah.
I was like, it could beanything.
Yeah.
The very tired, slightly sweatysubway ride home was...
just like on almost a daze justthinking we've done something
that's been actually meaningfulyeah through the means of a
(20:00):
market we've had littleworkshops and stuff and it's
just gone so well i couldn'tbelieve it
Jayson (20:06):
yeah that feeling kind of lasted for a good wee while
after it as well it was justlike that was that was really
cool
Moth (20:14):
yeah like it was so different to anything i'd done
before like yeah it was a marketbut That's not just any market
you stumble into, is it?
Yeah.
Rebecca (20:24):
Even the first one felt so much more than that.
Yeah.
I've got a little bit offeedback from one of our guests
that attended.
Okay.
So they've said, Thank you forrunning an event like this.
I've previously been to adifferent market like this and
found it to be very cis-centred.
It did not feel very safe anddid not have many queer items.
(20:44):
This just felt like such a niceatmosphere.
Moth (20:47):
Having so many queer traders, I think, has absolutely
put a stamp on...
Yeah.
We're all very openly queerpeople anyway, so why wouldn't
we have possibly a majority ofqueer traders selling their very
queer stuff?
Jayson (21:01):
Having that representation there in the
traders is another one of the...
things that helps to make thecustomers feel more able to be
themselves.
Just being in that environmentand being surrounded by my
people.
Moth (21:15):
Yeah, seeing yourself in the folk that are selling
Jayson (21:18):
stuff.
Rebecca (21:19):
I find that true.
A lot of the kink events thatwe've been to, there's been
quite...
I've always compared it totraditional and new school, but
I feel like the way thatperson's worded that probably is
closer to the truth in that theold school is more like cishet.
And then the new school is thiswonderful mixture of queer and
(21:39):
gender non-conforming and poly.
I feel like people are justgenerally a lot more open and a
lot less restricted totraditional roles, whether that
be in kink, sexuality, gender.
And it's not to say that'snecessarily a negative thing,
but I feel like there needed tobe this space that was more, as
(22:00):
I would call it, new school inits approach to like kink in
general because there is such acrossover between these
communities and a way that ifyou go to certain events you
could you couldn't decide whatone it was do you know what i
mean there is it is onecommunity in a sense so we've
got another bit of feedback fromthe most recent market that we
(22:22):
did at christmas i loved thesafe space the team had created
this was our first alt lifestylemarket and event and it was a
warm and friendly environmentThe layout was easy to navigate
and was well lit and organised.
The workshop space had easyaccessibility.
We felt safe as a queer couplenewly integrating into the
community.
That's
Moth (22:41):
really
Rebecca (22:41):
lovely.
Yeah.
It was so nice looking over,because I feel like we got the
feedback, we looked at it, wepicked out what we needed to
from it, and then I hadn'tlooked at it again until
recently, and rereading oversome of the responses that we
have, I'd picked out ones thatwere a bit longer and kind of
spoke a wee bit more about thevibe and like kind of going on
(23:02):
the back of what what we weregoing to be speaking about but
we just had such lovely feedbackfrom so many people for so many
different reasons and it was ohit just i don't know it was so
validating all over again yeah ineed to go back and read that
like every so often because itjust put me in a good mood all
day
Moth (23:20):
especially when it's coming from folk who it's like
their first event it's probablyfairly new to the scene in
general
Rebecca (23:26):
yeah
Moth (23:26):
that we've created somewhere that's welcoming for
that and it's not someone thatyou need to know somebody to get
in or you need to have more ofan idea for even being able to
look at some of the stuff onoffer
Rebecca (23:37):
yeah
Moth (23:38):
it was just a place that anyone can ease into and get a
feel for things and if you wantto leave and come back you can
do that but it sounds like theyjust had a blast anyway
Rebecca (23:48):
yeah we've got our quiet area where if things maybe
do get a bit much people can goand sit for a bit and chill out
and come back and Yeah, I feellike we've kind of built in a
lot of spaces and opportunitiesfor people to spend the full day
there
Moth (24:03):
if that's what they want.
And the quiet area was thanksto feedback.
Rebecca (24:06):
Exactly.
Moth (24:07):
Something we hadn't even considered for the first market
and someone suggested it andthat's all it takes is people
telling us what they want to seeand we, as best we can, will
try to make it happen.
Rebecca (24:16):
Yeah, totally.
So speaking about our launchparty, our first launch party...
We did it as more as kind of anetworking event for traders.
It went really well, but wefelt it was important to kind of
open up the space to futureattendees as well, kind of
setting the scene for theupcoming Summer of Queer Love.
The launch of UncensoredScotland and our plans for many
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upcoming cunty, smutty andfabulous events.
Moth (24:41):
I mean, it's definitely just continuing exactly the
vibes we've had from day one,really.
Cunty, smutty and fun, really,has been everything.
Rebecca (24:47):
Yeah, definitely.
yeah i think like the marketshave been such a big success
that we kind of wanted to keepit going and kind of come up
with again things that thecommunity wants and that we've
kind of asked for lots offeedback on and yeah see where
we go in the future
Moth (25:03):
yeah and i think the launch night our most recent one
was such a lovely time yeah itwasn't crazy busy folk were
playing games the games went
Rebecca (25:14):
down well
Moth (25:14):
yeah
Rebecca (25:15):
definitely do more of them at the next one
Moth (25:17):
our lovely sponsors Luke and Jack came along and
represented themselves and werejust equally enjoying seeing us
doing more than just the marketthat they support.
Yeah.
Jayson (25:29):
It was really nice at the launch party to see the
different friend groups andthings were all mixing in
together and getting stuck intogames together as one big group.
I think so often when you're atevents it's so easy for people
to just stay in the wee groupthat they came along in and only
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talk to the people that theyalready know or are already
friends with to see peoplemixing with new people and just
getting really stuck in I thinksays a lot for the atmosphere
that was created at the event.
Rebecca (26:03):
And the party kept going.
Do you know there were stillpeople?
Jayson (26:05):
Yeah, by the time we had to leave, things were
Rebecca (26:07):
kicking off.
There must have still beenabout 20 people all sitting
around the table playing NeverHave I Ever, which was one of
the games that we put out.
And they were gutted becausethey'd run out of cards.
We'd done a lot.
Moth (26:19):
Yeah, I was cutting things out for days.
Rebecca (26:23):
The printer was having...
Moth (26:25):
It was having a meltdown, to be honest.
Rebecca (26:28):
Yeah.
We still have them, don't we?
Moth (26:30):
Yes, I made sure to keep some.
I mean, we should probably getfeedback on what other questions
people are wanting.
What are people comfortableanswering in front of a group of
strangers?
Rebecca (26:41):
I love Drew.
Drew was just going for it.
Moth (26:43):
Oh, he's so much fun when he starts playing these games.
Rebecca (26:47):
Every story, people are like, what?
you need to give us thebackstory on that one yeah it's
great speaking of drew we'veactually got a little quote from
the feedback that the luke andjack team left us for during the
summer market staff team onthis occasion steph cam and drew
which is how we knew it wasfrom them felt energized being
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able to chat with interestingdiverse and supportive people
both traders and customers alikeIt may sometimes seem from the
outside that we are seasonedretailers after nearly 15 years,
but imposter syndrome, worryingif we are getting it right and
sometimes being on seven days aweek in this community while
defending our community fromseemingly continuous attack can
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leave our batteries running low.
It was wonderful having asex-positive, relaxed chat with
so many people while finding anew audience and some lovely,
familiar faces.
Exciting way to meet lots ofmakers and other traders too.
Some healthy business ethicalcollaborations ahead.
Moth (27:49):
And that's exactly what it's been.
Rebecca (27:50):
Yeah.
Moth (27:51):
The whole Luke and Jack team have been so supportive of
everything we've done.
They're always reaching out.
They're just willing to hear usout and not just financially,
but morally support us inmarkets at the launch night.
Just in, you know, offeringtheir space up to us and being
that sort of shoulder, you know,and say, Here's an idea we
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have.
What can we do with that?
And it works the same way.
Rebecca (28:15):
Yeah, totally.
It's been nice.
Again, it's been reallyaffirming having people who are
so well-known in the communityback us and want to get involved
and be as supportive as theyhave been of us.
Yeah, it's been lovely.
In every form that we've hadfrom both traders and attendees
across both markets, everysingle person felt safe and
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uncensored.
Moth (28:40):
Which
Rebecca (28:40):
is an achievement in and of itself.
Moth (28:42):
There's not much more you can ask for.
When you tag yourself as a safeand sexy market, if safe's the
main one that people arefeeling, we've succeeded.
Rebecca (28:51):
Yeah.
Moth (28:51):
100%.
I hope
Rebecca (28:52):
people are feeling sexy.
I certainly was.
We should put that on thefeedback form.
Moth (28:56):
How safe were you?
How sexy were you?
Not just how you were feeling,just in general.
Rebecca (29:02):
Yeah.
Jayson (29:03):
can you tell me a bit about the summer of queer love
Rebecca (29:07):
so that is our theme for the launch party that we had
for uncensored scotland andalso our upcoming market i just
love the 60s that's
Moth (29:18):
a good enough reason if any decided ahead of time and
then so many other things havecome out where it was like we do
need somewhere to be openlyqueer without any restrictions
totally
Rebecca (29:29):
And we had done a podcast episode a couple of
weeks ago.
We were looking at the sexualrevolution in the 60s.
And I don't know how I've madeit to this age without realising
this.
And this is maybe going to bereally obvious to some people.
But I was still very muchbought into the kind of free
love propaganda.
And that it was just aboutpeople going about shagging
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everybody.
And it was just about beingpromiscuous.
Not the kind of...
The fact that that...
was how it was portrayed in themedia to kind of cover up the
fact that it was actually apolitical statement and that
what people meant by free lovewas being able to love free of
the law, free of the institutionof marriage, free of religion,
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that people should be able tohave the freedom to love whoever
they want and love in the waythat they want without basically
the government being involvedin any way or the church being
involved in any way.
And I feel...
Learning that recently has justmade me feel like we have
picked such a good fucking theme
Moth (30:34):
for this year.
The theme has worked out in away, especially with the
government deciding toreintroduce themselves a bit
more into how people are livingtheir lives.
With the recent Supreme Courtruling saying what a man and a
woman is, as far-fetched astheir ideas may be, it's come
into effect and it's pissed alot of people off, rightly so.
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And I think having the summerof queer love opens it up to
every queer person, whetherthey've been affected by this
directly or not.
We're all in the same boat.
We're also allowed to love whowe love, be who we want.
And especially for theuncensored market.
We're already there doing that,so why not just make it a bit
more of a theme?
Yeah.
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It's more prevalent at theminute than it has been for a
while.
Rebecca (31:19):
Yeah, definitely.
This summer needs to be one ofcelebration, you know, and
protesting celebration is whatPride's always been about.
And I think with everythingthat's going on just now, it's
more important than ever.
Moth (31:31):
Yeah, I think it's really important to lay the foundations
for creating that community initself of queer people coming
together, being able to livefreely and openly.
Whether you're forced to use acertain bathroom or not, it
doesn't make a difference.
It's all a safe space forpeople to be themselves, which
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can be so tricky right now.
Rebecca (31:54):
Definitely.
Jayson (31:55):
Having a gathering of people like this is almost like
a show of force that we're allstanding together and we're not
happy about this shit, but weare going to get together and we
are going to have fun together.
and kill you with kindness.
Moth (32:12):
Yeah, like a fuck you to the people that are making all
these decisions.
I
Rebecca (32:19):
feel like when your very existence is political, you
kind of have to just have funwith it or it would get too much
and it's quite easy to kind ofget bogged down when there's so
much negativity going on both inpolitics and just on the news
every day as it is.
I think it's important to takethat time to celebrate what it
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is that you're fighting for.
Otherwise, what's the point?
Moth (32:43):
You've been keen to notice recently that even when I've
been going out of the house forour meetings, that I've just
been on edge because I'm soworried about the climate we're
in as a trans person and theshit you're going to face.
And to be fair, I've only facedone extra bit of hate crime
since the ruling came out, whichis manageable.
But it's knowing that a marketlike this is coming up and it's
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an event where I'm safe with theother people I run it with.
Rebecca (33:10):
As
Moth (33:10):
well as every guest that comes through the doors is not
going to give a shit about how Iidentify and who I love and
what my pronouns are.
It's just all going to berespected and people are happy
for you just to be sharing anice space.
Rebecca (33:24):
It's just a day off from the heat.
Moth (33:26):
Yeah, it's a place where I can be loved and give love to
the people that are coming inand supporting what we do.
It's like a wee glimpse as towhat the future Could be.
Yeah.
What an ideal life could beright now.
Rebecca (33:40):
Why is it not just like that?
Moth (33:42):
Because we're not in the government.
Rebecca (33:44):
Why is the government the government?
I'm so shit.
Moth (33:49):
So what's coming next?
Immediately next, very soon, isthe third uncensored market.
Yeah, it'll
Rebecca (33:56):
be next Saturday.
Moth (33:57):
Yeah, which is crazy to say that we've come to the third
one already.
And then what...
three weeks after that almostis the Uncensored Lounge which
is brand spanking new
Rebecca (34:09):
so for the Uncensored Market we've got some new
performers that we haven't hadbefore we're still going to have
the social area as big as itwas before we have also got the
balcony upstairs for people togo and watch that we did have
the last time but I think we'regoing to advertise that a bit
more this time just because it'slooking likely to be a little
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bit busier Yes.
Than our last one.
Just with how ticket sales andstuff are going so far.
We've also got three workshopson this time, so we've got...
Everything's just a wee bitbigger than it was before.
Moth (34:44):
Yes.
And it feels a lot grander as
Rebecca (34:47):
well.
Yeah.
We've got more entertainers,more workshops, some more
traders than we did at the lastone.
Moth (34:53):
And a lot of new traders.
A lot of new traders.
Which was again thanks to somefeedback.
Rebecca (35:00):
Yeah.
Really wanting to keep thingsmixed up for people.
And then obviously the themethat will probably stick with
going forward because that'sbeen a lot of fun.
Moth (35:08):
I'm hoping to see some spectacular outfits with
different themes that we come up
Jayson (35:14):
with.
There seems to be quite a largeamount of engagement with the
people dressing in aninteresting manner to fit the
theme
Moth (35:24):
more.
It's definitely something thatI'm here for.
Although any outfit I wear willBe a baseline of dungarees.
I've
Rebecca (35:34):
ordered my uncensored outfit the other day.
I'm going with Daphne.
Moth (35:39):
Stunning choice.
Rebecca (35:42):
Not going to be ginger because I'm a fuck wearing a wig
all day.
That will drive me insane.
Moth (35:46):
Especially midsummer.
Rebecca (35:47):
But I'm going to be a black curly haired Daphne.
I think it'll work.
We'll be fine.
I think it's a good choice.
We definitely should do acompetition or something at some
point in the future.
Moth (35:59):
Listen, you should be leaving some feedback.
Rebecca (36:00):
Yeah.
Anonymous feedback with all myideas I want to do.
Jayson (36:07):
I think that's just called a business meeting.
Yeah.
I think that sounds like acoffee.
Yeah, it does.
Rebecca (36:14):
Yeah, and then we've got, as Miles had said, the
Uncensored Lounge coming up onthe 20th of June.
Still got tickets available forthat if anybody wants to come
along.
Where we're doing like avariety show.
Moth (36:25):
Yeah, sort of like a cabaret night hosted by Giza
Gobble, who I work withregularly at the Paisley Drag
Show.
Rebecca (36:32):
Giza's hysterical.
Jayson (36:33):
Absolutely phenomenal
Rebecca (36:35):
performer.
Moth (36:36):
And joining her we have Mellon and Andrea and Scout
Robertson.
Rebecca (36:41):
Yeah.
Moth (36:41):
Which is going to be a very fun, chill night again at
the QMU, so it's accessible foreveryone.
Rebecca (36:47):
Yep.
Moth (36:48):
and also we've got a lovely relationship with that
venue now so it makes senseusing them more and more
Rebecca (36:53):
so I've seen Melon perform at Hell she's amazing
and seen Scout Robertson at oneof the drag shows before as well
they absolutely cracked me upthat was the one we took your
mum
Moth (37:06):
for the first time what a show to come to what an
introduction
Rebecca (37:12):
I think a bit of an eye opener for her so we got some
feedback at our last launchparty with kind of events and
ideas that people wanted to seecoming up so we've got some
things in the pipeline that wewill be announcing very soon
once things are confirmed justto kind of continue on the
summery queer love
Moth (37:32):
yeah and people are keen to have more community focused
events yeah which is exactlywhat we do anyway so why not
keep it going
Jayson (37:39):
can you tell me about some of the challenges and
lessons that you've taken awayfrom what you've been
Moth (37:45):
doing so far I think mostly challenges we faced were
at the very beginning.
So even getting uncensored intowhat it is was finding a venue
which was willing to take on akink-themed market and was
accessible.
The accessible part was such anightmare trying to find
something.
Glasgow Centre is not the place
Rebecca (38:08):
for it.
Going into this, I was fullyexpecting the kink side of
things to be the hurdle, but No,it was most definitely the
accessibility part.
Moth (38:17):
Yeah, so QMU's great.
They've got a ramp up to thefront door.
They've got a portable ramp upto the social area.
There's lifts.
There's accessible bathrooms.
Only thing is the bar doesn'thave a lowered section.
Yeah.
But they've also got anincredible team of staff who are
willing to accommodate whateverneeds are.
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So that was the main challenge.
And from then, any...
hiccups like maybe folkdropping out last minute yeah we
always have a backup list goingso challenges we're kind of
just finding a decent venue andthen we've really lucked out
with where we go
Rebecca (38:55):
i think like the biggest thing with any of this
stuff is like the organizationalside of it and you are amazing
you are so
Moth (39:02):
good at it that's like four years of study in events
management you learn to do aspreadsheet yeah you're an excel
wizard yeah you should see me
Rebecca (39:11):
that like we just haven't really had any hiccups
with us say the things at all sopat on the back for you thank
you
Moth (39:19):
i'm way too like i enjoy doing events management way too
much for almost being overorganized to be an issue yeah
i'm happy to have 10 differentspreadsheets of folks details
and have waiting lists made upand table plans made the day
after we'd announced who wascoming and everything like that
sorted months in
Rebecca (39:39):
advance
Moth (39:39):
yeah
Rebecca (39:40):
I think as well, the two is coming from the
backgrounds we do.
We obviously, me and Jason, goto lots of other markets and see
what works well, see whatdoesn't work so well, see
potential hiccups that are goingto happen in other places.
Whereas you yourself have runevents, you have that
background, you have thatexperience there.
So I think bringing the two ofthose things together has just
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kind of saved us in a way thatwe're kind of one step ahead a
lot of the time
Moth (40:06):
yeah it's one thing seeing the hiccups as they're
happening and it's another thingbeing part of the hiccup
happening so it's a reallearning curve from past events
but folk a lot of the timebecause of so many queer events
that I run is they'll just tellyou they'll say if something's
not what they wanted some peoplesay it nicer than others but
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you learn from these things andthat's that's how you get better
at what you do
Rebecca (40:32):
yeah i think that as well you know we've kind of
touched on that we've had a lotof feedback and stuff but i
think that's been part of whathas made things so successful
and made it so that we've notreally had too many hiccups to
deal with is that we've kind ofjust dealt with things as we've
went and we've added stuff andwe've took stuff away based on
what people have said to us andnot really kind of let it build
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to the point where it is aproblem we've just kind of dealt
with it when it's been at thekind of starting stages as such
Moth (40:59):
the only minor challenge we had from the first market
that i can remember was that thegender neutral bathroom had
flooded and we couldn't use ityeah so the staff just made us
up some signs that degenderedthe bathrooms that were usable
and that was easy as yeah yeah
Rebecca (41:14):
just fixed i think this is one of the big ones as well
as like having a good venue andhaving good staff and like
having a good relationship withthem that you can kind of trust
that you know they're on hand ifthere is anything that's kind
of out with your control thatcan just
Moth (41:27):
yeah the venue and their team can really make or break
events yeah and the QMU team areso lovely and will give us the
time of day and just really makethings happen regardless of
what we have ideas for like thesocial area was the venues idea
yeah they said this is thatyou've got some spare space here
why not put some beer tablesand then it's one of our main
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selling points is that folk canhang about all day
Rebecca (41:52):
yeah i'd say the same for the launch event you know
working with callum who owns thecorset club like couldn't have
made it easier
Moth (42:00):
that was a five minute meeting yeah i couldn't believe
it it was so easy it
Rebecca (42:04):
was just so simple and so easy and he even he said he
sells like things don't need tobe complicated they can just be
simple And they were.
And there were some hiccups onthe night.
That was maybe one of the onlythings just way, you know, there
was like a lot of people whowere ignoring the five private
party signs and
Moth (42:21):
decided to come in.
Yeah, just walking in.
But he dealt with that and hehad fun with it.
Yeah.
Which I feel can really changethe vibe of things.
Rebecca (42:28):
Definitely.
Moth (42:29):
If the people running the venue and working your event
enjoy what they're doing andenjoy your event.
Rebecca (42:35):
It shines
Moth (42:36):
through.
Yeah, it's going to beincredible.
And that's how it's worked sofar for us.
Yeah.
almost lucky in a sense, butalso thanks to us actually
putting the legwork in to findgood venues.
Rebecca (42:46):
Having good relationships with the people
that run them does make amassive difference.
Moth (42:50):
And especially recently, both QMU and the Corset Club,
who we've now both worked with,have put out statements in
support of trans rights, whichwe couldn't be happier with.
Because the QMU said recentlyabout people can use whatever
bathroom they're comfortablewith.
And now, coming into host, theSummer of Queer Love Uncensored
Market is such relief thatthey're just going to be so
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supportive of us and every guestthat walks in the door.
The opposite of a challenge iswe found somewhere that's going
to fix any issue we ever
Rebecca (43:20):
had.
I think taking the six monthsat the beginning to find
somewhere that was going to suitus has made all the difference.
Moth (43:28):
It felt horrific at the time but it was absolutely worth
it.
Rebecca (43:31):
Because we just wanted to get started.
Jayson (43:34):
But that wee bit of extra prep work we've done has
really set you up going forwardfor a long and healthy
relationship with these venues.
Rebecca (43:45):
I definitely don't see us leaving there anytime soon.
Moth (43:48):
Not unless we outgrow it.
Rebecca (43:49):
I think we just stay two days though.
Yeah, that's fine.
You can pick me up.
We'll just sleep in the car.
No.
Cool, well I think that'sbringing us to the end of
today's podcast.
Just kind of the plugs to goreally.
If you don't follow UncensoredMarket or Uncensored Scotland on
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you can get all our socialsthere on whatever platforms you
use.
We also have a newsletter forpeople to keep up to date with
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performers.
We're looking to do a varietyof different events over the
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next wee while so definitelyworth signing up to that and
potentially getting someopportunities over the next wee
while.
Jayson (44:40):
And Mark, how can people
Moth (44:42):
get in
Jayson (44:42):
touch with you?
Moth (44:43):
Most folk just find me wandering about Paisley, so
that's always easiest.
But Moth to Flame events onmost things, Instagram,
Facebook, TikTok, LinkedIn, Ithink maybe as well.
Don't know when I last usedthat.
But also just regular eventsaround Paisley.
We've got one a week going onin Paisley at the minute.
So come and find me, have achat.
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let's run an event together
Rebecca (45:07):
as i've said next saturday is our next uncensored
market and i believe there'sstill a couple of workshop
tickets left but it's like thelast one
Moth (45:16):
yeah last one or two for each workshop and quiet hours
getting quite full as well
Rebecca (45:22):
yeah so if you haven't already and you're wanting to
get in for either the workshopsor the quiet hour grab a ticket
now or if you just want to comealong grab a ticket for the rest
of the day.
We've also got plenty oftickets left for the Uncensored
Lounge coming up on the 20th ofJune.
Again, Giza Gobble is going tobe hosting and we've got some
fabulous acts that will beperforming.
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Definitely going to be a funnight.
Moth (45:44):
Yes, I'm very excited to, again, be working an event that
I would attend anyway.
Yeah, I'm so
Rebecca (45:49):
excited to see it.
I'm going to really be quitedistracted the full night, but
I'll try not to.
Get the best seat in the house.
Moth (46:01):
Thank you very much for having me on.
It's been lovely.
Thanks for joining us.
Rebecca (46:05):
This has been our Uncensored episode.
Thanks for listening, guys.
Today we've got a very special guest on the podcast,
Moth of Moth to Flame Events andthe other half of the
Uncensored team.
Moth (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Moth, I run, as it was said, Moth to
Flame Events, and thanks toRebecca I also co-host
Uncensored Market.
And I'm
Jayson (00:14):
Jason, and I run our stall.
at the Uncensored Market.
Rebecca (00:20):
And as Moth said, I'm the other co-host of the
Uncensored Market.
I thought today we could do alittle episode on just
Uncensored in general.
How it started, how it's goingand where it's headed in the
future.
So
Jayson (00:31):
the first bit that we would like to speak about is the
birth of Uncensored, how itcame to be in the first place.
Moth (00:39):
Many moons ago now, I was running a Halloween-themed
market, as it's the best seasonof the year.
Rebecca (00:45):
Halloween Hold Down.
Moth (00:46):
Halloween Hold Down.
Amazing name.
I can't even take credit forit.
I let it be a public poll, andthat was the best suggestion by
far.
And Rebecca and Jason hadapplied with Sanctuary of Sin.
And through somemiscommunication with the venue,
they weren't able to tradebecause it was an 18 plus stall.
And so honestly, Uncensored waskind of born out of spite.
Rebecca (01:06):
Yeah, which is always the best thing.
Which is how all good thingsare made.
Yeah, definitely.
Moth (01:11):
And it just sort of warmed its way out from there.
Meetings and coffees later sortof became the speakeasy market
was how it began.
Into a much catchier name, Iwould say, of the Uncensored
market.
Rebecca (01:24):
Yeah.
I think with everything that wasgoing on, we were still just
starting out our business andone of the main difficulties we
had in the beginning was justhow much censorship was going on
on social media.
And then because this, asyou've said, kind of got born
out of your market beingcensored, it just kind of fell
into place.
(01:44):
It made total sense to be...
Kind of at the heart of whatthe plans were for it going
forward.
Moth (01:51):
And also I felt pretty bad that I'd said, yeah, sure, come
along.
And then it was just notallowed.
Rebecca (01:57):
Yeah, totally out of your control.
Moth (01:59):
Yeah.
Rebecca (02:01):
It was only a couple of weeks before, wasn't it?
They'd let it get so far
Moth (02:04):
into the process.
Yeah, I think we were alreadyinto October.
Yeah.
And I was told it wasn'tallowed.
But then other things werehappening with the market that
just...
went a bit downhill like ourfood truck never showed up so
there was some real learningcurves there so it has benefited
the uncensored market
Rebecca (02:23):
yeah a lot of lessons learned
Moth (02:25):
yeah you gotta do it once at least to figure out the
issues
Rebecca (02:29):
which is always handy between that and just you know a
lot of people that we werespeaking to there was just such
like a kind of crackdown on notonly like kind of sex positivity
terms in the media but also onlike queer spaces and queer
terms like there is a bit ofkind of an epidemic going on
with that even now like it'srecently there seems to have
been like another kind of pushfor that I know a lot of people
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who are getting their accountsand stuff shut down and we
wanted to create a space thatyou know people from these
industries could come and justbe themselves and be uncensored
in an environment and yeah soone of the other things that we
kind of had like quite a focuson was accessibility right from
the beginning just becausecoming from kind of the
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different backgrounds that wedid.
Like I had been going to like alot of kink events and stuff
like that and there just wasn'treally many just kink events in
general or markets in Scotlandthat I was aware of that was
fully accessible for people.
So that was kind of one of thethings that we wanted to make
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sure was a part of Uncensoredright from the beginning as much
as was physically possible.
Glasgow being quite an old cityand a lot of listed buildings.
Jayson (03:45):
This is something we've touched on already in previous
episodes that just generally thebuildings that these types of
events have the opportunity totake place in do tend to be a
bit more restricted with theiraccessibility.
Moth (04:02):
When we were first starting out the market, I was
still using a walking stick fulltime.
So not only was it necessityfor guests, but even for me to
be getting around, just havingsteps everywhere was just not
going to work out.
Rebecca (04:14):
So this is kind of why we thought there needed to be
something a bit different on thekind of queering kink scene in
Glasgow, as well as For ourbusiness as well.
Us having a selection of toysand gear that's curated rather
than handmade meant that some ofthe existing craft markets and
stuff in Scotland we weren'table to go to.
Jayson (04:36):
Yeah, a lot of them only catered to handmade items so we
kind of slipped through thecracks a little bit with respect
to that.
Rebecca (04:45):
What does uncensored mean to you?
I
Moth (04:49):
think uncensored for me is...
a totally safe space for somany different people not just
people who are in the kink scenequeer people but just anyone
from beginners to folk that havebeen on the scene for probably
longer than i've been alive aswell as also being an event that
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i'd want to go to
Rebecca (05:10):
yeah i think this was like one of the main things was
like we wanted to make it for usbecause we were kind of like
you know for the community bythe community yeah it needed to
suit us to suit the community aswell
Moth (05:21):
i also very selfishly pretty much refuse to run events
that i wouldn't just want toattend as a guest so i'm still
having fun while i'm there yeahtotally
Rebecca (05:29):
i feel like that's the best way because you're just not
going to put your all intosomething that you're not
enjoying
Moth (05:33):
no which is why like things like drag shows make
sense for me because i wouldhave gone to it anyway it just
so happens i'm running itinstead
Rebecca (05:40):
it means you get to be there for free
Moth (05:42):
yeah i'm getting paid to be there
Rebecca (05:44):
yeah more to the point yeah
Jayson (05:46):
We're also in that boat as what we do is something that
we would have wanted to make useof as customers.
This
Rebecca (05:55):
has always been how we've made decisions as we are
our ideal customer and I feellike that came across to
Uncensored as well.
Moth (06:03):
Gives you a much better insight for what people want to
see if you are the people thatare wanting to see it.
Rebecca (06:08):
Totally.
So Uncensored for me is peoplehaving the freedom to express
who they are kind of break freefrom stigma and shame and the
kind of taboos associated withthe sex industry but also the
queer community as well I feellike there's still a bit of
lasting not obviously as much asthere has in years past but I
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would say that over the last fewyears that is changing and
things are kind of starting tofeel a bit like the dark ages
again it's important for peopleto be able to have a space where
they can be themselves and beseen and be valued and be
celebrated
Jayson (06:43):
Yeah, so for me, Uncensored, it goes beyond just
being a place where you feelaccepted, but it's a place where
you feel embraced by thecommunity.
It's so close andcommunity-spirited that it's
hard not to just get wrapped upin it all and leave feeling just
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really nice.
Moth (07:05):
That's all you can really ask for when you're hosting it,
is folk actually enjoying itfrom every aspect and...
Feeling like the whole thing'sjust a natural community space.
Jayson (07:15):
Yeah, aye.
Dunno, there's so many, there'sso many kind of markets and
stuff that you go to as a traderthat turn up, do your thing and
then leave.
And there's not a lot, not asmuch kind of interaction with
people in a meaningful way.
Whereas I think at Uncensored,you feel very connected to the
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people.
I've found you have some reallygood in-depth chats.
People willing to askquestions, things that they
don't know about and asking foradvice and asking to be
signposted to workshops andevents and things like that
because they're taking earliersteps into these spaces.
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Feeling comfortable enough inthat space to...
think about moving wider outafterwards.
So do you want to tell us a bitabout your core messaging and
your safe space values?
Moth (08:10):
I think the main message that Uncensored has held since
the start has been asex-positive, sex-educational
space.
From the first market, we'vehad stalls for charities to come
and speak to people free ofcharge.
We just want to support peoplethat can give a message into it.
exploring sex in a way that isfun for everyone involved but
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also in a way that's as safe ascan be whether that be through
contraception or communicationskills and things like that
that's sort of been a groundrule message is you can have as
much fun as you like but youneed to do it in a safe and
secure way
Rebecca (08:49):
yeah i think that was one of the main things like we
we didn't want to come into thespace and make something new in
and of itself but kind of buildup what was already there and
support other people within thelocal community and kind of
almost like bolster thecommunity that existed already
Moth (09:05):
we're not trying to push anybody out but
Rebecca (09:06):
no
Moth (09:07):
build up everyone that's already there
Rebecca (09:08):
yeah because we all need to stick together like it's
a space that is threatened youknow and part of that is not not
being in competition with eachother but supporting each other
and building on each other andcreating something really
special because of that
Jayson (09:23):
and i think as from the point of view of the community,
the more events and the morethings there are for them, the
better.
Rather than it being, oh,people competing with each
other, let's just provide morestuff for the people that need
it.
Rebecca (09:40):
Yeah, it creates more opportunities, it creates more
options, it means that thecommunity is going to grow and
get bigger and that can onlyhelp everybody involved.
Yeah.
So we kind of touched on alittle bit about as well that we
are part of the community thatwe're serving and that we want
to see it grow from not justlike a business point of view
but personally as well that wewant to see there be more things
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in the community but evenwithin that we can come from
slightly different backgroundsand that myself and Jason can
attend a lot more kink eventsand stuff whereas you're part of
the queer community in a biggerway than I would say that we
have been up until mayberecently where I feel like we're
kind of branching out a wee bitwe're still new so we will get
there but I think that's beenlike really important and really
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good and that we've had suchvaried kind of experiences to
kind of bring together to kindof build something that is
serving kind of multiplecommunities at once and also
people that kind of exist withinall these communities at once
because there's a massivecrossover between all these
spaces but it's not one that Ithink is necessarily kind of
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represented at the moment and atleast in the market side of
things in Scotland
Moth (10:52):
yeah the entire kink scene i was pretty much not in
communication with at all beforeyeah so i was exclusively just
doing pretty much queer eventsunintentionally that's just
events i want to go to queerevents therefore that's what i
was doing yeah um so this hasbeen an absolute eye-opener to
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so many different aspects of thekinkuni but also i'm fully
aware that it's by no means anexclusive list there it goes so
far beyond just what we're doing
Rebecca (11:24):
yeah definitely
Moth (11:25):
but it's been incredibly eye-opening and we've met some
truly incredible folk liketraders charities guests who
just will support us to no endyeah and will come all our
markets and all our launchnights and everything and
there's just so many incrediblefolk
Rebecca (11:40):
yeah
Moth (11:41):
and it's been such a whirlwind ride that has really
pushed what I thought eventscould be to a whole new level
Rebecca (11:49):
I think that's been quite key as well for us is that
throughout all of this you knowwe always ask for feedback and
the engagement we have had forthe feedback has been amazing
you know like I feel like whenyou put something like that out
there you maybe expect like oneor two people to fill in the
form because it's notnecessarily part of the
experience it's not somethingeverybody's going to want to do
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but my god like the amount offeedback that we've had and that
has allowed us to be able tobuild on things and change
things and adapt and kind ofgrow the event into something
even more suited to thecommunity it's serving has been
like a big part of why I feelwe've been as successful as we
have is that we've listened
Moth (12:31):
yeah and I find with a lot of events you get feedback
because people don't enjoythemselves yeah but I would say
with Uncensored we've hadnothing but positive things and
then a little bit ofconstructive feedback yeah I've
enjoyed everything but it wouldbe nice if xyz
Rebecca (12:48):
it's been more suggestions rather
Moth (12:50):
than even criticism as such such just a sigh of relief
people are not just sending youfeedback and saying here this
was the worst thing I've everattended they're actually saying
we had fun what we did and whatwe got to partake in was a
great time hear something forthe future and that's such a
great way to work
Jayson (13:08):
I think just the levels of engagement you've had with
the feedback process has kind ofgives an indication of how much
people have actually enjoyed itthat they're willing to get in
touch and tell you about it
Moth (13:23):
yeah folk want to see it grow rather than shit on it
basically
Jayson (13:27):
yeah
Rebecca (13:27):
So another thing we can pride ourselves on is being a
safe space.
It's even part of our kind oftagline.
I think because of that, that'spart of why we've amassed such
a supportive community.
I think it's been a bit of aself-fulfilling prophecy in
that, you know, if you marketthings in such a way, and have
the policies and procedures tomatch, obviously, but I feel
like that's not necessarily whatpeople are seeing.
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Like, it does just attract theright kind of people when you
are kind of making it obviousthat people that are going to
come and cause trouble are...
there's going to beconsequences to that.
Yeah, prioritising consent andrespect with clear rules,
guidance and policies has kindof backed up what we're saying
on that front.
And I think we've been quitelucky in that we've not really
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had much to deal with.
Moth (14:12):
So I think us being very open and for about who we are as
individuals, not just themystery faces behind Uncensored,
has kind of projected what we'dwant to see.
So obviously in recent times,trans rights are under threat.
And since day one, we've alwayshad just unlabeled bathrooms
for folks to come into.
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It's been no stress about whatnames people put on their
tickets or what they use to signup to workshops.
It's creating something thatwe're proud to have our faces
and our names to and ourbusinesses associated with.
Rebecca (14:47):
I think that paired with the fact that we've not
really shied away from beingpolitical and the kind of stuff
that we've put out there.
We've always been verysupportive of...
like the Free Palestinemovement, the decriminalisation
of sex work as well as transrights.
It's something that we've beenvery vocal about and very much
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put to our name.
I feel like that's potentiallybeen part of what has meant
people that don't hold theirvalues don't want to be there.
yeah
Jayson (15:21):
it's kind of like a bit of a screening process yeah
that's exactly what i wasthinking so open about your
views and things that you holdquite important and make that
part of the the kind ofmessaging of the event and stuff
as well um it's automaticallyputting off people who don't
align with that um
Moth (15:42):
yeah and i think if you've looked at our instagram and all
the absolute radical stuffwe're putting on our story it's
absolutely not going to attractthe wrong person yeah things
like abortion rights and nopride in genocide which we've
put on censored with uh thecabaret against hate for all
their trans rights stuff andjust everything they're involved
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with we've been so vocal aboutsupporting these movements that
there is no way someone's goingto accidentally stumble upon us
and think we're any thought veryleft-wing individuals yeah
Rebecca (16:13):
Aye, both of us have attended protests with
Uncensored as well, and yeah, Ithink you kind of look at your
page and know, and be a fascistand want to come along.
Yeah, it's just not going towork.
Yeah, you're outnumbered.
Yeah, sniff you out as soon asyou walk in the door.
Aye, I think that's one of themost affirming things for me is,
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you know, at the markets, likelooking around and...
seeing people just fullyembracing and being themselves
and the amount of like pups wehave and furries and people that
tend to maybe get like somehate and stuff in public just
walking around and just beingtotally free and being
comfortable it's yeah it'slovely to see and i feel like
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that to me shows that we are asafe space and that people are
feeling totally safe in thatspace
Moth (17:05):
yeah it's honestly a little bit of an ego boost which
is horrible but seeing folkliving so authentically which I
think for a lot of peopleincluding myself can take so
long to get to that point yeahand if even for one day in the
summer we've created somewherefor people to just come and be
them it's so fun and so nice tosee
Rebecca (17:23):
it's beautiful it really is
Jayson (17:25):
There was a particular example of this that stood out
to me.
There was one person thatturned up and kind of pulled me
to the side because they werethere a wee bit early and they
just had some questions becausethey weren't out to their family
or their job and things likethat where they were fearful of
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what might happen if...
they got outed yeah and they'vehad bad experiences at some
events before you know picturesgetting taken without their
consent and things like that andyou know after having a wee
chat they were feeling a lotbetter and then they stuck about
the entire day and they justkept coming by to tell me how
great a time they were havingand that they felt so
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comfortable and that that wasjust so nice to see that's a
Moth (18:11):
real win to be honest because we've got the little
social area And it is open allday.
Yeah.
So if folk think, this is theplace I want to hang about all
day, that's more than okay.
Whether they buy anything ornot, whether they just sit and
have a drink or they're justwatching the shows, it's
somewhere for them to be safeand welcome and happy.
And we're always about having achat to anyone that will
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listen, so it keeps peopleoccupied,
Jayson (18:37):
I would say.
It's a lovely wee break for theoutside world and the
adjustments you need to maybemake to yourself to...
make life easy day to day.
Rebecca (18:47):
I feel like it's stories like that that make it
all worth it.
Do you know, even if we hadjust one of them and we've got
several at this point fordifferent places and like, I
don't know, it brings a wee tearto my eye every time because
it's just, it makes it all worthit.
We're doing what we set out todo.
Moth (19:00):
Yeah, and it's having a genuine positive impact on
people's lives.
Even if it is just one day,it's a day that has let them be
free in themselves.
Rebecca (19:08):
Yeah.
Jayson (19:08):
Do you want to tell us a little bit about what your
milestones or highlights havebeen so far?
Rebecca (19:13):
Yeah, so with two markets and two launch parties
under our belt, we're proud ofwhat we've managed to achieve in
our first year.
Shout out to Makaku for thebanging food we had at the
Uncensored Birthday Partybecause that was amazing.
Moth (19:25):
It was almost inspiring.
Yeah.
Made it all worth it just
Rebecca (19:29):
for that.
I feel like it's been a bigyear.
It's been...
Like, I feel like when westarted, those weren't
necessarily where I seen usbeing at the end of our first
year.
Moth (19:39):
No, I was so unsure of where, just uncensored as a
brand was going to end up, thatthe first market was so
incredible.
Yeah.
I was like, it could beanything.
Yeah.
The very tired, slightly sweatysubway ride home was...
just like on almost a daze justthinking we've done something
that's been actually meaningfulyeah through the means of a
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market we've had littleworkshops and stuff and it's
just gone so well i couldn'tbelieve it
Jayson (20:06):
yeah that feeling kind of lasted for a good wee while
after it as well it was justlike that was that was really
cool
Moth (20:14):
yeah like it was so different to anything i'd done
before like yeah it was a marketbut That's not just any market
you stumble into, is it?
Yeah.
Rebecca (20:24):
Even the first one felt so much more than that.
Yeah.
I've got a little bit offeedback from one of our guests
that attended.
Okay.
So they've said, Thank you forrunning an event like this.
I've previously been to adifferent market like this and
found it to be very cis-centred.
It did not feel very safe anddid not have many queer items.
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This just felt like such a niceatmosphere.
Moth (20:47):
Having so many queer traders, I think, has absolutely
put a stamp on...
Yeah.
We're all very openly queerpeople anyway, so why wouldn't
we have possibly a majority ofqueer traders selling their very
queer stuff?
Jayson (21:01):
Having that representation there in the
traders is another one of the...
things that helps to make thecustomers feel more able to be
themselves.
Just being in that environmentand being surrounded by my
people.
Moth (21:15):
Yeah, seeing yourself in the folk that are selling
Jayson (21:18):
stuff.
Rebecca (21:19):
I find that true.
A lot of the kink events thatwe've been to, there's been
quite...
I've always compared it totraditional and new school, but
I feel like the way thatperson's worded that probably is
closer to the truth in that theold school is more like cishet.
And then the new school is thiswonderful mixture of queer and
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gender non-conforming and poly.
I feel like people are justgenerally a lot more open and a
lot less restricted totraditional roles, whether that
be in kink, sexuality, gender.
And it's not to say that'snecessarily a negative thing,
but I feel like there needed tobe this space that was more, as
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I would call it, new school inits approach to like kink in
general because there is such acrossover between these
communities and a way that ifyou go to certain events you
could you couldn't decide whatone it was do you know what i
mean there is it is onecommunity in a sense so we've
got another bit of feedback fromthe most recent market that we
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did at christmas i loved thesafe space the team had created
this was our first alt lifestylemarket and event and it was a
warm and friendly environmentThe layout was easy to navigate
and was well lit and organised.
The workshop space had easyaccessibility.
We felt safe as a queer couplenewly integrating into the
community.
That's
Moth (22:41):
really
Rebecca (22:41):
lovely.
Yeah.
It was so nice looking over,because I feel like we got the
feedback, we looked at it, wepicked out what we needed to
from it, and then I hadn'tlooked at it again until
recently, and rereading oversome of the responses that we
have, I'd picked out ones thatwere a bit longer and kind of
spoke a wee bit more about thevibe and like kind of going on
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the back of what what we weregoing to be speaking about but
we just had such lovely feedbackfrom so many people for so many
different reasons and it was ohit just i don't know it was so
validating all over again yeah ineed to go back and read that
like every so often because itjust put me in a good mood all
day
Moth (23:20):
especially when it's coming from folk who it's like
their first event it's probablyfairly new to the scene in
general
Rebecca (23:26):
yeah
Moth (23:26):
that we've created somewhere that's welcoming for
that and it's not someone thatyou need to know somebody to get
in or you need to have more ofan idea for even being able to
look at some of the stuff onoffer
Rebecca (23:37):
yeah
Moth (23:38):
it was just a place that anyone can ease into and get a
feel for things and if you wantto leave and come back you can
do that but it sounds like theyjust had a blast anyway
Rebecca (23:48):
yeah we've got our quiet area where if things maybe
do get a bit much people can goand sit for a bit and chill out
and come back and Yeah, I feellike we've kind of built in a
lot of spaces and opportunitiesfor people to spend the full day
there
Moth (24:03):
if that's what they want.
And the quiet area was thanksto feedback.
Rebecca (24:06):
Exactly.
Moth (24:07):
Something we hadn't even considered for the first market
and someone suggested it andthat's all it takes is people
telling us what they want to seeand we, as best we can, will
try to make it happen.
Rebecca (24:16):
Yeah, totally.
So speaking about our launchparty, our first launch party...
We did it as more as kind of anetworking event for traders.
It went really well, but wefelt it was important to kind of
open up the space to futureattendees as well, kind of
setting the scene for theupcoming Summer of Queer Love.
The launch of UncensoredScotland and our plans for many
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upcoming cunty, smutty andfabulous events.
Moth (24:41):
I mean, it's definitely just continuing exactly the
vibes we've had from day one,really.
Cunty, smutty and fun, really,has been everything.
Rebecca (24:47):
Yeah, definitely.
yeah i think like the marketshave been such a big success
that we kind of wanted to keepit going and kind of come up
with again things that thecommunity wants and that we've
kind of asked for lots offeedback on and yeah see where
we go in the future
Moth (25:03):
yeah and i think the launch night our most recent one
was such a lovely time yeah itwasn't crazy busy folk were
playing games the games went
Rebecca (25:14):
down well
Moth (25:14):
yeah
Rebecca (25:15):
definitely do more of them at the next one
Moth (25:17):
our lovely sponsors Luke and Jack came along and
represented themselves and werejust equally enjoying seeing us
doing more than just the marketthat they support.
Yeah.
Jayson (25:29):
It was really nice at the launch party to see the
different friend groups andthings were all mixing in
together and getting stuck intogames together as one big group.
I think so often when you're atevents it's so easy for people
to just stay in the wee groupthat they came along in and only
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talk to the people that theyalready know or are already
friends with to see peoplemixing with new people and just
getting really stuck in I thinksays a lot for the atmosphere
that was created at the event.
Rebecca (26:03):
And the party kept going.
Do you know there were stillpeople?
Jayson (26:05):
Yeah, by the time we had to leave, things were
Rebecca (26:07):
kicking off.
There must have still beenabout 20 people all sitting
around the table playing NeverHave I Ever, which was one of
the games that we put out.
And they were gutted becausethey'd run out of cards.
We'd done a lot.
Moth (26:19):
Yeah, I was cutting things out for days.
Rebecca (26:23):
The printer was having...
Moth (26:25):
It was having a meltdown, to be honest.
Rebecca (26:28):
Yeah.
We still have them, don't we?
Moth (26:30):
Yes, I made sure to keep some.
I mean, we should probably getfeedback on what other questions
people are wanting.
What are people comfortableanswering in front of a group of
strangers?
Rebecca (26:41):
I love Drew.
Drew was just going for it.
Moth (26:43):
Oh, he's so much fun when he starts playing these games.
Rebecca (26:47):
Every story, people are like, what?
you need to give us thebackstory on that one yeah it's
great speaking of drew we'veactually got a little quote from
the feedback that the luke andjack team left us for during the
summer market staff team onthis occasion steph cam and drew
which is how we knew it wasfrom them felt energized being
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able to chat with interestingdiverse and supportive people
both traders and customers alikeIt may sometimes seem from the
outside that we are seasonedretailers after nearly 15 years,
but imposter syndrome, worryingif we are getting it right and
sometimes being on seven days aweek in this community while
defending our community fromseemingly continuous attack can
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leave our batteries running low.
It was wonderful having asex-positive, relaxed chat with
so many people while finding anew audience and some lovely,
familiar faces.
Exciting way to meet lots ofmakers and other traders too.
Some healthy business ethicalcollaborations ahead.
Moth (27:49):
And that's exactly what it's been.
Rebecca (27:50):
Yeah.
Moth (27:51):
The whole Luke and Jack team have been so supportive of
everything we've done.
They're always reaching out.
They're just willing to hear usout and not just financially,
but morally support us inmarkets at the launch night.
Just in, you know, offeringtheir space up to us and being
that sort of shoulder, you know,and say, Here's an idea we
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have.
What can we do with that?
And it works the same way.
Rebecca (28:15):
Yeah, totally.
It's been nice.
Again, it's been reallyaffirming having people who are
so well-known in the communityback us and want to get involved
and be as supportive as theyhave been of us.
Yeah, it's been lovely.
In every form that we've hadfrom both traders and attendees
across both markets, everysingle person felt safe and
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uncensored.
Moth (28:40):
Which
Rebecca (28:40):
is an achievement in and of itself.
Moth (28:42):
There's not much more you can ask for.
When you tag yourself as a safeand sexy market, if safe's the
main one that people arefeeling, we've succeeded.
Rebecca (28:51):
Yeah.
Moth (28:51):
100%.
I hope
Rebecca (28:52):
people are feeling sexy.
I certainly was.
We should put that on thefeedback form.
Moth (28:56):
How safe were you?
How sexy were you?
Not just how you were feeling,just in general.
Rebecca (29:02):
Yeah.
Jayson (29:03):
can you tell me a bit about the summer of queer love
Rebecca (29:07):
so that is our theme for the launch party that we had
for uncensored scotland andalso our upcoming market i just
love the 60s that's
Moth (29:18):
a good enough reason if any decided ahead of time and
then so many other things havecome out where it was like we do
need somewhere to be openlyqueer without any restrictions
totally
Rebecca (29:29):
And we had done a podcast episode a couple of
weeks ago.
We were looking at the sexualrevolution in the 60s.
And I don't know how I've madeit to this age without realising
this.
And this is maybe going to bereally obvious to some people.
But I was still very muchbought into the kind of free
love propaganda.
And that it was just aboutpeople going about shagging
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everybody.
And it was just about beingpromiscuous.
Not the kind of...
The fact that that...
was how it was portrayed in themedia to kind of cover up the
fact that it was actually apolitical statement and that
what people meant by free lovewas being able to love free of
the law, free of the institutionof marriage, free of religion,
(30:15):
that people should be able tohave the freedom to love whoever
they want and love in the waythat they want without basically
the government being involvedin any way or the church being
involved in any way.
And I feel...
Learning that recently has justmade me feel like we have
picked such a good fucking theme
Moth (30:34):
for this year.
The theme has worked out in away, especially with the
government deciding toreintroduce themselves a bit
more into how people are livingtheir lives.
With the recent Supreme Courtruling saying what a man and a
woman is, as far-fetched astheir ideas may be, it's come
into effect and it's pissed alot of people off, rightly so.
(30:56):
And I think having the summerof queer love opens it up to
every queer person, whetherthey've been affected by this
directly or not.
We're all in the same boat.
We're also allowed to love whowe love, be who we want.
And especially for theuncensored market.
We're already there doing that,so why not just make it a bit
more of a theme?
Yeah.
(31:16):
It's more prevalent at theminute than it has been for a
while.
Rebecca (31:19):
Yeah, definitely.
This summer needs to be one ofcelebration, you know, and
protesting celebration is whatPride's always been about.
And I think with everythingthat's going on just now, it's
more important than ever.
Moth (31:31):
Yeah, I think it's really important to lay the foundations
for creating that community initself of queer people coming
together, being able to livefreely and openly.
Whether you're forced to use acertain bathroom or not, it
doesn't make a difference.
It's all a safe space forpeople to be themselves, which
(31:51):
can be so tricky right now.
Rebecca (31:54):
Definitely.
Jayson (31:55):
Having a gathering of people like this is almost like
a show of force that we're allstanding together and we're not
happy about this shit, but weare going to get together and we
are going to have fun together.
and kill you with kindness.
Moth (32:12):
Yeah, like a fuck you to the people that are making all
these decisions.
I
Rebecca (32:19):
feel like when your very existence is political, you
kind of have to just have funwith it or it would get too much
and it's quite easy to kind ofget bogged down when there's so
much negativity going on both inpolitics and just on the news
every day as it is.
I think it's important to takethat time to celebrate what it
(32:40):
is that you're fighting for.
Otherwise, what's the point?
Moth (32:43):
You've been keen to notice recently that even when I've
been going out of the house forour meetings, that I've just
been on edge because I'm soworried about the climate we're
in as a trans person and theshit you're going to face.
And to be fair, I've only facedone extra bit of hate crime
since the ruling came out, whichis manageable.
But it's knowing that a marketlike this is coming up and it's
(33:05):
an event where I'm safe with theother people I run it with.
Rebecca (33:10):
As
Moth (33:10):
well as every guest that comes through the doors is not
going to give a shit about how Iidentify and who I love and
what my pronouns are.
It's just all going to berespected and people are happy
for you just to be sharing anice space.
Rebecca (33:24):
It's just a day off from the heat.
Moth (33:26):
Yeah, it's a place where I can be loved and give love to
the people that are coming inand supporting what we do.
It's like a wee glimpse as towhat the future Could be.
Yeah.
What an ideal life could beright now.
Rebecca (33:40):
Why is it not just like that?
Moth (33:42):
Because we're not in the government.
Rebecca (33:44):
Why is the government the government?
I'm so shit.
Moth (33:49):
So what's coming next?
Immediately next, very soon, isthe third uncensored market.
Yeah, it'll
Rebecca (33:56):
be next Saturday.
Moth (33:57):
Yeah, which is crazy to say that we've come to the third
one already.
And then what...
three weeks after that almostis the Uncensored Lounge which
is brand spanking new
Rebecca (34:09):
so for the Uncensored Market we've got some new
performers that we haven't hadbefore we're still going to have
the social area as big as itwas before we have also got the
balcony upstairs for people togo and watch that we did have
the last time but I think we'regoing to advertise that a bit
more this time just because it'slooking likely to be a little
(34:31):
bit busier Yes.
Than our last one.
Just with how ticket sales andstuff are going so far.
We've also got three workshopson this time, so we've got...
Everything's just a wee bitbigger than it was before.
Moth (34:44):
Yes.
And it feels a lot grander as
Rebecca (34:47):
well.
Yeah.
We've got more entertainers,more workshops, some more
traders than we did at the lastone.
Moth (34:53):
And a lot of new traders.
A lot of new traders.
Which was again thanks to somefeedback.
Rebecca (35:00):
Yeah.
Really wanting to keep thingsmixed up for people.
And then obviously the themethat will probably stick with
going forward because that'sbeen a lot of fun.
Moth (35:08):
I'm hoping to see some spectacular outfits with
different themes that we come up
Jayson (35:14):
with.
There seems to be quite a largeamount of engagement with the
people dressing in aninteresting manner to fit the
theme
Moth (35:24):
more.
It's definitely something thatI'm here for.
Although any outfit I wear willBe a baseline of dungarees.
I've
Rebecca (35:34):
ordered my uncensored outfit the other day.
I'm going with Daphne.
Moth (35:39):
Stunning choice.
Rebecca (35:42):
Not going to be ginger because I'm a fuck wearing a wig
all day.
That will drive me insane.
Moth (35:46):
Especially midsummer.
Rebecca (35:47):
But I'm going to be a black curly haired Daphne.
I think it'll work.
We'll be fine.
I think it's a good choice.
We definitely should do acompetition or something at some
point in the future.
Moth (35:59):
Listen, you should be leaving some feedback.
Rebecca (36:00):
Yeah.
Anonymous feedback with all myideas I want to do.
Jayson (36:07):
I think that's just called a business meeting.
Yeah.
I think that sounds like acoffee.
Yeah, it does.
Rebecca (36:14):
Yeah, and then we've got, as Miles had said, the
Uncensored Lounge coming up onthe 20th of June.
Still got tickets available forthat if anybody wants to come
along.
Where we're doing like avariety show.
Moth (36:25):
Yeah, sort of like a cabaret night hosted by Giza
Gobble, who I work withregularly at the Paisley Drag
Show.
Rebecca (36:32):
Giza's hysterical.
Jayson (36:33):
Absolutely phenomenal
Rebecca (36:35):
performer.
Moth (36:36):
And joining her we have Mellon and Andrea and Scout
Robertson.
Rebecca (36:41):
Yeah.
Moth (36:41):
Which is going to be a very fun, chill night again at
the QMU, so it's accessible foreveryone.
Rebecca (36:47):
Yep.
Moth (36:48):
and also we've got a lovely relationship with that
venue now so it makes senseusing them more and more
Rebecca (36:53):
so I've seen Melon perform at Hell she's amazing
and seen Scout Robertson at oneof the drag shows before as well
they absolutely cracked me upthat was the one we took your
mum
Moth (37:06):
for the first time what a show to come to what an
introduction
Rebecca (37:12):
I think a bit of an eye opener for her so we got some
feedback at our last launchparty with kind of events and
ideas that people wanted to seecoming up so we've got some
things in the pipeline that wewill be announcing very soon
once things are confirmed justto kind of continue on the
summery queer love
Moth (37:32):
yeah and people are keen to have more community focused
events yeah which is exactlywhat we do anyway so why not
keep it going
Jayson (37:39):
can you tell me about some of the challenges and
lessons that you've taken awayfrom what you've been
Moth (37:45):
doing so far I think mostly challenges we faced were
at the very beginning.
So even getting uncensored intowhat it is was finding a venue
which was willing to take on akink-themed market and was
accessible.
The accessible part was such anightmare trying to find
something.
Glasgow Centre is not the place
Rebecca (38:08):
for it.
Going into this, I was fullyexpecting the kink side of
things to be the hurdle, but No,it was most definitely the
accessibility part.
Moth (38:17):
Yeah, so QMU's great.
They've got a ramp up to thefront door.
They've got a portable ramp upto the social area.
There's lifts.
There's accessible bathrooms.
Only thing is the bar doesn'thave a lowered section.
Yeah.
But they've also got anincredible team of staff who are
willing to accommodate whateverneeds are.
(38:39):
So that was the main challenge.
And from then, any...
hiccups like maybe folkdropping out last minute yeah we
always have a backup list goingso challenges we're kind of
just finding a decent venue andthen we've really lucked out
with where we go
Rebecca (38:55):
i think like the biggest thing with any of this
stuff is like the organizationalside of it and you are amazing
you are so
Moth (39:02):
good at it that's like four years of study in events
management you learn to do aspreadsheet yeah you're an excel
wizard yeah you should see me
Rebecca (39:11):
that like we just haven't really had any hiccups
with us say the things at all sopat on the back for you thank
you
Moth (39:19):
i'm way too like i enjoy doing events management way too
much for almost being overorganized to be an issue yeah
i'm happy to have 10 differentspreadsheets of folks details
and have waiting lists made upand table plans made the day
after we'd announced who wascoming and everything like that
sorted months in
Rebecca (39:39):
advance
Moth (39:39):
yeah
Rebecca (39:40):
I think as well, the two is coming from the
backgrounds we do.
We obviously, me and Jason, goto lots of other markets and see
what works well, see whatdoesn't work so well, see
potential hiccups that are goingto happen in other places.
Whereas you yourself have runevents, you have that
background, you have thatexperience there.
So I think bringing the two ofthose things together has just
(40:02):
kind of saved us in a way thatwe're kind of one step ahead a
lot of the time
Moth (40:06):
yeah it's one thing seeing the hiccups as they're
happening and it's another thingbeing part of the hiccup
happening so it's a reallearning curve from past events
but folk a lot of the timebecause of so many queer events
that I run is they'll just tellyou they'll say if something's
not what they wanted some peoplesay it nicer than others but
(40:28):
you learn from these things andthat's that's how you get better
at what you do
Rebecca (40:32):
yeah i think that as well you know we've kind of
touched on that we've had a lotof feedback and stuff but i
think that's been part of whathas made things so successful
and made it so that we've notreally had too many hiccups to
deal with is that we've kind ofjust dealt with things as we've
went and we've added stuff andwe've took stuff away based on
what people have said to us andnot really kind of let it build
(40:53):
to the point where it is aproblem we've just kind of dealt
with it when it's been at thekind of starting stages as such
Moth (40:59):
the only minor challenge we had from the first market
that i can remember was that thegender neutral bathroom had
flooded and we couldn't use ityeah so the staff just made us
up some signs that degenderedthe bathrooms that were usable
and that was easy as yeah yeah
Rebecca (41:14):
just fixed i think this is one of the big ones as well
as like having a good venue andhaving good staff and like
having a good relationship withthem that you can kind of trust
that you know they're on hand ifthere is anything that's kind
of out with your control thatcan just
Moth (41:27):
yeah the venue and their team can really make or break
events yeah and the QMU team areso lovely and will give us the
time of day and just really makethings happen regardless of
what we have ideas for like thesocial area was the venues idea
yeah they said this is thatyou've got some spare space here
why not put some beer tablesand then it's one of our main
(41:50):
selling points is that folk canhang about all day
Rebecca (41:52):
yeah i'd say the same for the launch event you know
working with callum who owns thecorset club like couldn't have
made it easier
Moth (42:00):
that was a five minute meeting yeah i couldn't believe
it it was so easy it
Rebecca (42:04):
was just so simple and so easy and he even he said he
sells like things don't need tobe complicated they can just be
simple And they were.
And there were some hiccups onthe night.
That was maybe one of the onlythings just way, you know, there
was like a lot of people whowere ignoring the five private
party signs and
Moth (42:21):
decided to come in.
Yeah, just walking in.
But he dealt with that and hehad fun with it.
Yeah.
Which I feel can really changethe vibe of things.
Rebecca (42:28):
Definitely.
Moth (42:29):
If the people running the venue and working your event
enjoy what they're doing andenjoy your event.
Rebecca (42:35):
It shines
Moth (42:36):
through.
Yeah, it's going to beincredible.
And that's how it's worked sofar for us.
Yeah.
almost lucky in a sense, butalso thanks to us actually
putting the legwork in to findgood venues.
Rebecca (42:46):
Having good relationships with the people
that run them does make amassive difference.
Moth (42:50):
And especially recently, both QMU and the Corset Club,
who we've now both worked with,have put out statements in
support of trans rights, whichwe couldn't be happier with.
Because the QMU said recentlyabout people can use whatever
bathroom they're comfortablewith.
And now, coming into host, theSummer of Queer Love Uncensored
Market is such relief thatthey're just going to be so
(43:11):
supportive of us and every guestthat walks in the door.
The opposite of a challenge iswe found somewhere that's going
to fix any issue we ever
Rebecca (43:20):
had.
I think taking the six monthsat the beginning to find
somewhere that was going to suitus has made all the difference.
Moth (43:28):
It felt horrific at the time but it was absolutely worth
it.
Rebecca (43:31):
Because we just wanted to get started.
Jayson (43:34):
But that wee bit of extra prep work we've done has
really set you up going forwardfor a long and healthy
relationship with these venues.
Rebecca (43:45):
I definitely don't see us leaving there anytime soon.
Moth (43:48):
Not unless we outgrow it.
Rebecca (43:49):
I think we just stay two days though.
Yeah, that's fine.
You can pick me up.
We'll just sleep in the car.
No.
Cool, well I think that'sbringing us to the end of
today's podcast.
Just kind of the plugs to goreally.
If you don't follow UncensoredMarket or Uncensored Scotland on
(44:10):
social media, check out ourlink tree at linktree.com and
you can get all our socialsthere on whatever platforms you
use.
We also have a newsletter forpeople to keep up to date with
upcoming events, news and alsopaid opportunities for traders,
performers.
We're looking to do a varietyof different events over the
(44:33):
next wee while so definitelyworth signing up to that and
potentially getting someopportunities over the next wee
while.
Jayson (44:40):
And Mark, how can people
Moth (44:42):
get in
Jayson (44:42):
touch with you?
Moth (44:43):
Most folk just find me wandering about Paisley, so
that's always easiest.
But Moth to Flame events onmost things, Instagram,
Facebook, TikTok, LinkedIn, Ithink maybe as well.
Don't know when I last usedthat.
But also just regular eventsaround Paisley.
We've got one a week going onin Paisley at the minute.
So come and find me, have achat.
(45:04):
let's run an event together
Rebecca (45:07):
as i've said next saturday is our next uncensored
market and i believe there'sstill a couple of workshop
tickets left but it's like thelast one
Moth (45:16):
yeah last one or two for each workshop and quiet hours
getting quite full as well
Rebecca (45:22):
yeah so if you haven't already and you're wanting to
get in for either the workshopsor the quiet hour grab a ticket
now or if you just want to comealong grab a ticket for the rest
of the day.
We've also got plenty oftickets left for the Uncensored
Lounge coming up on the 20th ofJune.
Again, Giza Gobble is going tobe hosting and we've got some
fabulous acts that will beperforming.
(45:42):
Definitely going to be a funnight.
Moth (45:44):
Yes, I'm very excited to, again, be working an event that
I would attend anyway.
Yeah, I'm so
Rebecca (45:49):
excited to see it.
I'm going to really be quitedistracted the full night, but
I'll try not to.
Get the best seat in the house.
Moth (46:01):
Thank you very much for having me on.
It's been lovely.
Thanks for joining us.
Rebecca (46:05):
This has been our Uncensored episode.
Thanks for listening, guys.
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