August 3, 2025 • 39 mins
a conversation with comedian Joseph Green about language, chakras and more.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Podcast Introduction
02:16 - The Pleasure of Language Processing
08:06 - Energy and Chakras
15:22 - The Year I Lay Down
25:15 - Experiencing Pleasure On Stage
30:32 - Vulnerability as the Essence of Humor
35:47 - The Instagram Note Mishap
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Sharm Namdaren and Joseph Green explore the fascinating relationship between language, vulnerability and comedy in this thought-provoking conversation about creative expression.
• Joseph approaches language with deliberate care, similar to how some people experience flavours in food
• The throat chakra relates to communication and can manifest as vocal tension during performances
• Processed anger becomes boundaries while healed vulnerability transforms into humor
• Audiences feel emotionally safe enough to laugh when performers share failures while demonstrating resilience
• Effective comedy requires creating genuine connections through authentic vulnerability rather than merely being clever
• Good performers balance authenticity with audience care, ensuring everyone feels safe enough to engage
• The Instagram note mishap demonstrates how unintentional vulnerability creates perfect comedic moments
• Clowning teaches that audiences laugh when they can see you're okay despite your humiliation
• Starting performances with genuine present-moment feelings creates unique connections with audiences
Try exploring what's vulnerable about something rather than just what's funny – you'll often find they're the same thing!
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Sharam Namdarain (00:00):
Hi, welcome to the Sharm Namdaren podcast.
I'm Sharm Namdaren.
This is the podcast, and thisepisode is titled A Verbose
Dialogue About Conversation.
Now, why do you think I bringthat up?
Joseph Green (00:11):
And hello, introduce yourself, thank you.
My name's Joseph Green and I'mnotoriously verbose, apparently.
Sharam Namdarain (00:17):
Yeah, no, I like the way you process
language, so this is the point.
This is why.
Okay, because I want thispodcast to have more interesting
conversations.
Joseph Green (00:26):
Thank you.
Sharam Namdarain (00:27):
And I think you're an interesting person.
Wow, thank you.
The reason why I bring you onis because I guess what I would
say is one of my superpowers is.
I understand and I can see howpeople process information, if
that makes sense.
So, like a guy I work for, heprocesses flavor in food
extraordinarily well, oh wow,and it's really interesting to
(00:48):
see him eat something and belike hmm, tasty.
It's like it's quantifiable.
Joseph Green (00:52):
He can articulate the textures.
Sharam Namdarain (00:54):
It's more of a quantity of taste rather than a
like.
He's very good at making itmore impactful.
Joseph Green (00:59):
Yeah, sure.
Sharam Namdarain (01:00):
And maybe textures, is secondary to a
quantitative level.
What I've noticed with you isI've watched you almost pick
your words in the same way thisperson would have tasted flavor
Like.
It seems to me and I'mpresuming I'm very presumptuous
here.
You might tell me I'mcompletely wrong and thank you
for addressing the audience withyour very sensual gaze.
(01:23):
It seems as if you have a howdo I put this into words?
An almost uh, deliciousness inthe way you approach language
wow, that's such a bigcompliment.
Joseph Green (01:34):
Yeah, thank you so much is that?
Sharam Namdarain (01:36):
is that wrong to assume that you taste
language like someone mighttaste?
Joseph Green (01:41):
food, I don't know .
I don't want to get toosentimental about it, but you
want to take care of the wordsthat you use.
Sharam Namdarain (01:48):
Yes, there we go, I'm not wrong.
Joseph Green (01:52):
Yeah, so I don't know what do we want to talk
about?
Okay, yeah, so that's a bigtopic right.
Sharam Namdarain (01:59):
So, for example, I think one of the
things I guess this is just theside effect of, say, comedy, I
don't know if it's you've beenlike this for your whole life,
but like you've got your jokeand I talk about one of your
jokes where you talk about thepunisher.
Oh, that punisher joke.
Joseph Green (02:10):
Yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (02:11):
But that is a cause.
It's like all comedians, Iwould say, digest humor in
something you know.
You're like oh, but what I feellike you've digested in your
joke about the punisher and we,you know, see joseph green to
see it, I'm not gonna fuckingrattle off his whole joke here
is that it is I don't know howlong is a bit like a five minute
(02:31):
bit, four minutes, threeminutes, three minutes all about
the word the punisher.
That's interesting.
The, the two interpretations ofit a childlike interpretation
and the situation and the humorof the situation are then about
how someone else then comes intothe situation and you're like,
oh no, don't worry, daddy, he'sthe punisher and how the other
angle of it sees you in adifferent light yeah and I feel
(02:54):
like the way you've digestedthat and I've seen you almost
pause before words to be likeyes, no, this is what I want to
say, rather than myself, whodare I, is a little bit immature
with my language sometimes.
Joseph Green (03:07):
It's funny that you call it the Punisher joke,
because also it feels a littlebit self-indulgent to talk about
my own joke.
But if you want, to talk aboutit.
Sharam Namdarain (03:14):
I'm happy to talk about it.
It's an interestingconversation.
Joseph Green (03:16):
You just have to trust that it will be.
Actually, when I think of thatjoke, you know, you know how a
lot of comedians are in thehabit of having one or two words
for different jokes or bitsthey have.
Yeah, it's the thing Whenever Iwrite that bit down, it's never
the Punisher, it's always theJumping Castle.
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, becausethat's the whole key of that.
I'm thinking of what's theimage that I want to transmit
(03:43):
and communicate to the audienceand the main image is me on a
jumping?
castle with all these kids andthat happened to call me the
punisher and for sure that likehas laughs throughout the whole
thing.
Yeah yeah, but but I thinkwe're in the practice of
thinking what's a funny imageand then what are the simplest
(04:03):
words to convey that image to anaudience.
Sharam Namdarain (04:05):
I would agree with that yeah, um did you do
that with um luke kidjo, wasthat one you did?
That one did I perform it.
Joseph Green (04:13):
Yeah, haymer hall.
Sharam Namdarain (04:13):
Yeah, yes, I did how did people react to that
?
Because I heard you talk aboutother ones, but I didn't yes, it
went well.
Joseph Green (04:20):
Yeah, it went like how I expected it to go,
precisely.
If it goes well, yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (04:28):
I like.
Yeah, so you're saying youdon't necessarily focus too much
, like you're not enjoying, likemaybe there's a projected
reality here.
Joseph Green (04:38):
No, I think it's not.
It's not about the language.
The language is only a means toconnect with the audience.
Yeah.
And so of course, course, I'menjoying the connection in those
pauses and that space andsilent spaces I'm just playing
with, maybe, attention betweenmyself and the audience, and
different words can do differentthings of course, but if it's
(05:02):
all about just jerking yourselfoff because of certain, I love
this word, it's so delicious,I'm not saying, yeah, that's not
what I'm no, no, no no, I getwhat you're.
Sharam Namdarain (05:11):
I'm just checking this as we go along,
sure, just because it's thefirst time I'm using this.
Yeah, oh, look at that.
It is recording fantastic.
All right, keep talking, yeah,the the.
Joseph Green (05:19):
The words are sort of incidental to transmitting
your own spirit to the people infront of you do you?
Sharam Namdarain (05:26):
that's a wanky thing to say but it's be wanky,
be wanky, love yourself brothat's for sure.
Joseph Green (05:31):
Sure, and but that's what I really feel very
um serious about stand up inthat sense that when you're on
stage, you should be trying tocommunicate, transmit something
of your own spirit to theaudience.
And sometimes words are thebest way of doing that.
Sometimes they're not.
It can be a look.
(05:52):
It can be just what your body'sdoing.
Sharam Namdarain (05:55):
So in that moment with say there, for
example, the jumping castlepunisher joke, you're saying
trying to translate your spirit.
I love translation.
I think that's a transmissionis another.
Joseph Green (06:08):
What was the phrase?
My partner used to be a yogateacher and she used to say that
what sort of yoga did she teach?
Sharam Namdarain (06:11):
vinyasa flow?
No one's ever asked me thatquestion before.
I actually don't know how toanswer that.
Yin uh, one of the good ones?
I don't know.
I actually don't know classicum, but one thing she used to
say was that people used to pickup on her habits.
Even though she never told themto.
They'd almost read more.
They'd change their eatinghabits through following her and
(06:32):
doing the yoga practices.
Joseph Green (06:33):
Is your girlfriend like a yoga influencer as well?
No, no.
Sharam Namdarain (06:37):
She sort of used to be like a local one.
Joseph Green (06:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (06:40):
We've both gone from that.
We've both been in like lifecoaching circles as well.
Yeah, okay, but that was pre,uh, pre life coaching, like she
just was, I think, in Queensland, sort of just like a local yoga
teacher, and she just developedthe following through that and
just had an email and justconnected with them.
Joseph Green (06:58):
Oh, very nice, and so I used to teach Kundalini
yoga.
Sharam Namdarain (07:01):
You fucking, you've done everything.
Joseph Green (07:02):
I've done a few things, you've done everything.
Sharam Namdarain (07:04):
I've done a few things, You've done a few
things.
Yeah, Just before I was like ohyes, I was in the.
Joseph Green (07:07):
was it VFL?
I did play in the VFL in 2004.
Yes, and then you also taught.
Sharam Namdarain (07:11):
What was it?
What did I teach?
Yeah, no, you were just saying.
Now you said Kundalini yoga isone of the main yogas either.
Joseph Green (07:21):
No, it's more pranayama based, which is
breathing.
Please help me.
Sharam Namdarain (07:26):
And this is why you were like what kind of
yoga?
So kundalini energy is almostlike a sexual energy, correct,
but a misconstrued sexual energy.
Joseph Green (07:35):
Yeah, kundalini yoga isn't about sex or even
your sexual energy.
No, it's about gee, I'm reallyno, no, good, good, good.
Sharam Namdarain (07:43):
This is what I wanted.
It's about the verbose dialogue, about whatever I said.
The kundalini.
Joseph Green (07:48):
The kundalini is an energy that moves throughout
your whole body yes, and throughyour chakras yes, and and and
the main, yeah, physical partthat or conduit that allows the
energy to move is, is the spine.
So you're doing a lot ofbreathing breath hold.
Yeah, I'll tell you a lot ofthis just to open that heart
chakra.
Sharam Namdarain (08:08):
And maybe this is why, when I talk to you, I
go there is an energeticdissection of the words, because
is it about not necessarilysexual energy, but is there a
pleasure involved?
I don't know In stand-up, ofcourse, no, no, no.
But is there a pleasureinvolved?
I don't know In stand-up, ofcourse, no, no, no.
In the Kundalini, oh, is therepleasure involved?
Is it an energy that peopleoften associate?
Joseph Green (08:31):
Because I want to talk about chakras in a second
because I find that topic veryinteresting, I'll talk.
Yeah, yeah, of course, we cantalk about anything.
Sharam Namdarain (08:38):
Because I'll well on a similar let's.
I meditate a lot.
Yes, often when people ask mehow's your day been, I just say,
well, I've been meditating andthis is the breakthrough I've
had.
Joseph Green (08:47):
What do you do for your meditation?
Sharam Namdarain (08:48):
so it's a combination of stuff I've learnt
from coaching and Vipassana.
Joseph Green (08:52):
You know that the silent retreat, yeah, yeah, yeah
, it's a 10 day silent retreat,vipassana.
Sharam Namdarain (08:58):
Yeah thank you for the people that don't know,
but basically it's just.
Uh, I'm um, I'm almost just,I'm surrendering to any emotion.
I'm feeling good, bad, whatever.
I have almost dedicated a smallportion of my life to this.
For example, 20.
It was pre-covid.
Whatever the year was 2019,2019 I was like I am processing
(09:19):
my depression.
I ran out of money, I movedback with my family and I
literally lay down, meditatingfor almost an entire year.
My girlfriend calls it the yearI lay down.
Joseph Green (09:28):
Were you going out with your girlfriend at the
time?
Sharam Namdarain (09:31):
Yeah, we were together, but sort of like I
think we'd both been gettingback together.
Joseph Green (09:34):
I've heard to compassionately hold the space
for you to.
Oh, my God, it was the best.
She must love you very much.
Sharam Namdarain (09:39):
Well, we weren't living together at the
time, so at the time, so I'dcall.
I would call it at the end ofthe day and have so much to talk
about, and I was alwayssurprised and it was my sanity
check almost at the end of everyday.
Yeah, uh, and it helped me getthrough it all.
Thank you for checking themicrophone, um, but one of the
things I observe through mymeditation practice is often any
, any process, any emotion I'mprocessing has different centers
(10:01):
, and those centers, when I lookup chakras, are like oh, that's
what I'm going through, yeah,for example, I'll have a
breakthrough, and it's like itfeels here, like I'm meditating
on this section, and that's whatdoes it call it?
The solar plexus, the solarit's what you digest, chakra.
Joseph Green (10:15):
Yeah, see, look at that, it's.
It's done so many thingsthere's.
I mean, there's a lot of like.
Your self-esteem and sense ofself-worth is like connected
here.
It's also the foundation ofyour heart as well yeah so
there's an interesting umrelationship that, like
proximate chakras, have witheach other.
Sharam Namdarain (10:36):
That's interesting.
I did not know that there was arelationship between them as in
like.
Joseph Green (10:40):
As you said, it's just flowing energy Fun, yeah,
like ideally you want yourenergy to be flowing, you know,
through your chakras, but alsolike realistically in life some
moments, some situations needyou to protect yourself.
So maybe it's not always opento have all seven chakras wide
open.
Sharam Namdarain (10:59):
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, you're privy to the whimsand willies of the universe.
Can you hold this for a second?
Of course, yeah.
Joseph Green (11:10):
Cheers.
Sharam Namdarain (11:11):
Yeah, and so I think, and so I think this is
why I wanted to sort of talk toyou about this, because I
watched you when you wereemceeing at Red Betty.
There was, it felt like andagain, this is Captain Wankery
here and I do not care, but I'mjust prefacing it because you've
been like oh, it was so wankythat you enjoy the words that
(11:35):
you're saying.
You enjoy it, it's pleasurablefor you almost more than what
the audience is perceiving andit's more pleasurable for me
than it is for them.
Or at least you're enjoying.
No, how do I put it into words?
It's like you're eating thefood that you're cooking and you
(11:56):
are serving it and you go.
I know this is good and you'retasting it, but it's almost at a
verbal level.
There's sensuality in yourvoice.
Joseph Green (12:04):
Wow, that's so nice.
Maybe I think, yeah, maybe Ihope it's good?
Sharam Namdarain (12:08):
No, because I listen, I watch my things back.
Joseph Green (12:10):
That's funny analysis.
No one's ever said that to mebefore.
Sharam Namdarain (12:14):
Yeah, I will give you a weird analysis.
When I watch my clips back, Iactually feel pain in my own
voice watching it back becausethere's tension here and maybe
I'm trying to bypass I'vedefinitely been that in the way
like bypassed blocks around love.
Joseph Green (12:27):
What do you?
Sharam Namdarain (12:28):
think you need to do.
I don't.
It's the throat chakra thing,right.
Joseph Green (12:30):
I know, yeah, you know this so please support me
in this.
Sharam Namdarain (12:33):
I feel like this is like minds coming
together.
Joseph Green (12:36):
I think, like do you want me to talk about you
now?
Oh, we can Like.
I think like, if you're feelingthis sort of tension in your
throat repeatedly, then maybethere are certain questions you
can ask around that of, like,what am I not saying?
That could be said Yep, Okay,and, and, and ponder that
question and see, just observewhat comes up.
(13:00):
You might feel something inyour stomach, some apprehension.
I feel dizzy.
Sharam Namdarain (13:04):
As soon as you said that, I'm like whoa
interesting.
It feels like a lot ofunprocessed thought.
Joseph Green (13:09):
Okay, yeah you said that I'm like whoa
interesting.
It feels like a lot ofunprocessed thought.
Okay, yeah, but so just maybesomething between your third eye
, your intuition, and whatyou're communicating, or how I'm
not, I'm just talking shit.
No, but.
But it's good to ponder thesethings.
Yeah, but to pay attention towhat your physiology is doing on
stage.
Sharam Namdarain (13:28):
Yeah.
Joseph Green (13:28):
Because you want to be loose and free and open.
Sharam Namdarain (13:31):
It's tight, my voice is tight, that's how I
look back and I go.
Well you're the best judge ofthat.
Yeah, well, I yeah maybe it'sbecause I watch it and I go, oh,
I see the tension and I'm nowrevisiting a trauma that I'm
recreating in my throat of likea bypassing of something.
Or maybe it's because there's apart of me that thinks it's
comedically.
(13:51):
I talk like this, like incertain parts, but then it's
like that, I feel, hurts me in away.
Actually, what hurts you, likejust the constriction, yeah, the
constriction of my vocal cordsand what do?
Joseph Green (14:04):
you think the remedy is to feel freer in your
vocal cords.
Sharam Namdarain (14:12):
Well, ironically, it makes me think a
lot about um, when I was in highschool, my cousin's an opera
singer, so the namdarian nameamongst singing people are like
oh you're, you're like, you'relike ben namdarian, the opera
singer wow.
The neurosurgeon opera singer,wow.
And so I was forced intosinging, where I then learned
how to adjust my throat.
Joseph Green (14:32):
So maybe it's ironically like a um but surely
using it, learning about yourown breathing, but also like
where you position your voice aswell yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (14:41):
So there's breathing, there's diaphragm,
but there's also like, oh, likewhen you want to sing higher,
you can actually put it lower inyour mouth, okay yeah and
ironically, I've been like oh, Iwould like to probably bring a
melodic thing which I think younaturally have, which I'm
projecting onto you with thedigestion of your own, the
pleasure in your own words.
I think it is like I wish youwere On the idea of pleasure.
Joseph Green (15:01):
Whether it's spoken or unspoken, it's
important to experience pleasureon stage.
Yes, I agree experiencepleasure on stage.
Yes, I agree, and and and shareit with the people.
Yeah, also, pleasure can beused more broadly.
It can be like sharing yourfailure with with the audience
what's embarrassing to you.
What, what, what did like?
Are you shamed, a little bitashamed about where have you
(15:22):
failed in life?
And then sharing this with anaudience is a very there's a
pleasure to that, but becauseyou're confronting a part of
your own psyche where maybe youhaven't well, I haven't, for
example, explored all thesethings, but then when I'm
ventilating it, giving it airand giving it visibility, I'm
(15:44):
like hey, what do we think ofthis?
Aren't I an idiot?
I'm such an idiot yeah, yeahand failure and they're like are
we?
we love this.
And you know, one time I saidthis I went on one date with
this woman.
She said something so profounduh, and she's not in the
performing arts or a comedian oranything.
I said to her I think when I'mperforming, audiences love to
(16:05):
see me fail.
And she said do you think theylove to see you fail?
Or maybe when you share yourfailure, they feel less alone
about their own failure?
Should we wait?
Sharam Namdarain (16:18):
I don't know if that will be in it or not but
, it's gone.
Now I have a working theorywhich I cannot back up, that all
humor is three things.
Joseph Green (16:27):
Yeah, interesting.
What are the three things?
Sharam Namdarain (16:29):
It's a fart, a burp or falling over that.
All humor is three things, yeah, Interesting.
What are the three things?
It's a fart, a burp or fallingover Interesting.
Joseph Green (16:35):
And the fart and the burp.
A fart, a burp, or falling over, yeah, so the fart and the burp
.
Sharam Namdarain (16:38):
I cannot figure out what I mean by that,
but when I say it in those words, it makes perfect sense.
But the falling over is thelike.
That's what that is like whenyou, when you fail on stage,
people laugh at it because.
Joseph Green (16:50):
Or when you're not afraid to fail as well, like
when a joke doesn't land andyou're like well that was meant
to be funny yeah, and the thingabout well, we can talk about
the fart and the burp, butregarding regarding the falling
over, what's also important tonote is that you still need to
take care of yourself in thefalling over.
I had a very good clown teachertell me that we're not when you
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were, when I was at clownschool.
Yes, of course it's not thatwe're laughing at you falling
over the banana peel and hittingyour head.
We don't laugh if you just slipover the banana peel and you hit
your head, but we do laugh ifyou slip over and you fall down.
But as you fall down, you canstill see us and you're sharing
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your eyes with us.
And so just through sharingyour eyes with the audience,
literally or metaphorically, wecan see oh, they're okay,
they're not totally injured.
They have humiliated themselvesand they're just sharing that
moment.
Just, they're on the floor likethis and this is important just
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to have that moment oftransparency about your own
foibles and letting the audiencesee it Like look, I stuffed up
here I am, but I'm okay.
But, I did do a dumb thing.
Sharam Namdarain (18:11):
Yeah, and you're aware of it and you're
safe.
Joseph Green (18:13):
So this is nice, but you do need to be taking
like a base level of care,self-care, in order to because,
if, say, you just shatter yourhead, just crack it open.
Sharam Namdarain (18:27):
Hilarious.
Joseph Green (18:30):
A little bit but.
But like, the idea is funny,but if you genuinely see, yeah,
you have to take.
Have some trust in the actualhumanity of an audience that,
collectively, en masse, ifsomeone just genuinely hurts
themselves, they're going to belike, ah, we don't want to see
someone hurting themselves somuch.
(18:50):
And similarly, if you've beentoo self-deprecating or too
self-flagellating, it can.
The audience is like, ah, wewant to, we don't mind you being
an idiot, but like, we stillcare, yeah, yeah, and I so.
I think this is like a tensionto play with between a performer
and the audience, because you,you need to be able to still, in
(19:13):
all of those intricacies theentire time, be taking care of
the audience, because you're incharge energetically.
You've got to be making sureeveryone in the room is safe.
Yeah, it's really on you thatmakes sense and even if it's a
shit show of people yelling andfalling out and heckling, it's
still.
You're the one with the conch.
(19:34):
You've got the mic.
So, it's still yourresponsibility, but it's fun,
you're providing safety for themto perceive.
Well, I think they have to feelsomewhat emotionally safe, just
in order to laugh, just on abase level, if you're not
feeling emotionally safe, justin order to laugh, like just on
a base level, if you're notfeeling emotionally safe then,
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your nervous system starts toconstrict and you just, you're
just less likely to laugh.
So you want to prime them.
What are the best conditionsthat make them likely to laugh?
And if you're having fun, andyou're experiencing pleasure in
what you're doing, well, he orshe is having fun.
Might as well try and jump onthe train of this fun train.
Sharam Namdarain (20:19):
I agree with everything you're saying.
I had a response, but I cannotremember it.
Joseph Green (20:24):
Yeah, go on.
Sharam Namdarain (20:25):
I was going to say the fart and the burp.
What do?
You think?
That is yeah, the fart and theburp.
I don't know if it's true.
I was just walking down thestreet and my brain was like, oh
yeah, that's it, and then Ihaven't been able to do it.
Joseph Green (20:35):
Well, okay, so they're both sounds coming out
of different holes?
Sharam Namdarain (20:38):
Yeah, exactly.
Are they accidental?
Are they revelations of?
Joseph Green (20:42):
reality.
There's something about fartingand burping total control over,
and it's a revealed nature.
A lot of comedy is good whenthe performer is slightly, not
entirely, in control.
Sharam Namdarain (20:55):
Yeah.
Joseph Green (20:55):
It's nice to just slightly don't not know what
you're doing.
I mean I.
I have a thing I do most of thetime which is like never know
the first words I'm going to sayon stage yeah, so I'm slightly
off balance.
Sharam Namdarain (21:10):
Is that you actually try that, like that's
what you actively?
Joseph Green (21:13):
hey, mahal, I pretty much knew what I was
literally every other gig.
I'll never know what the firstwords will be, so then, then I
have to be.
It just forces you to payattention, yeah, and and if, if
you're genuinely payingattention to the audience, the
audience will feel it.
You might say something funnyand they they really like ah,
(21:34):
wow, we love this.
They're commenting on somethingthat's alive in the room right
now, or you at least demonstrateto them I'm, I'm here with you
guys, whatever's happening, thisis unique to us and,
unconsciously, an audience feelsnicer about this I agree with
that very much.
Sharam Namdarain (21:51):
I feel like when I start, every time I start
a set, I'm always like start ifI'm not sure what I'm doing,
just start with how I'm feeling.
Yes, um, there was one time itwas amazing.
To this day I haven't been ableto replicate it.
I bombed really hard at one gig, yeah, uh, and then I came to
dirty and I came on.
Just it was like in that exactshow I'm doing, and I came on
(22:13):
screaming I didn't kill myselftoday, yeah, and it was this
whole thing about how I didn'tkill myself.
There must be a reason to live.
Yes, it's like if I find my carand if I go to my car my parked
car and it's still there, I'mthankful that it's there because
it could have been stolen and Idon't assume that it will be
there.
I'm appreciative.
So, clearly, I must have areason to live and it was this
(22:34):
whole thing.
It was weirdly crushing andeveryone was like new opener,
yeah, and I'm like I, that'sjust how I was feeling in that
moment.
Joseph Green (22:45):
There is no way I'm not constantly thankful, so
that has all the ingredients yes, exactly of like you're sharing
your failure yeah also, you'reretaining your optimism down,
you're retaining your hope.
It's.
It's important, even thoughyou've fallen down, to stay
hopeful.
Otherwise, if you're defeated,we have no reason to watch you.
If you're an idiot who's fallenover but like no, no, I'm still
brilliant.
We're like, okay, silly goose,what you got up your sleeve and?
(23:08):
and so you, if you bring in thisenergy like I didn't kill
myself, oh, it's amazing yeah,it's like a toxic positivity,
but yeah it's like okay, wethink he's a bit of an idiot,
but he's happy to be living andwe like this energy yeah, and it
was also.
Sharam Namdarain (23:21):
It was just a really interesting thing, I
think the fart and the burp is.
Joseph Green (23:25):
Look, I have a greater theory which I've got
very close to my chest okay, butI need to start letting it out.
Sharam Namdarain (23:32):
Uh, so my perspective is holding his heart
, chakra, yes it's importantbecause it is very close and
deep in my chest, but I feellike it's time to talk about it.
Uh, so in in coaching world, Iwould often say that we get
angry when anger is good,because processed anger becomes
boundaries.
Joseph Green (23:50):
We get angry when people break our boundaries.
Sharam Namdarain (23:53):
Yeah, my therapist is always going on
Because you have constantunyielding boundaries that are
broken and anger issues.
Joseph Green (23:59):
He's saying you need to be better with your
anger.
Yeah okay, change yourrelationship to it.
Sharam Namdarain (24:04):
use it constructively, communicate it
kindly for yourself and peoplearound you yeah, I think it's
because it's such an easy thingto put a veil of shame around
yes, and not give voice to whenI was a kid, my I used to have
big outbreaks of anger andeveryone who's like charm had
anger, like just randomly, onceevery few months, just yelling
and screaming and stuff.
(24:24):
I remember it.
And then as an adult I'm likeoh, I don't have anger issues
because I don't have issuesgetting angry anymore.
Yeah, that to me is a moretruer statement.
I remember I figured this outwhen one day I was I was walking
across the street and a trucktried to turn and the truck was
too early and the guy in thetruck was mad.
It was like he's like, dude,what are you doing crossing the
street?
And I was like it's my, it'sthe green person, I can walk.
(24:47):
And I realized I was angry athim because he was breaking my
boundary of this is safe to walk?
yeah he was angry at me becauseI was breaking his boundary of
I've got to go, and this guy'sin my way, yeah, and so you know
, processing and uh, youremotional state of anger becomes
a boundary, like people incomedy, like running a room
makes me angry all the time.
And it's because someone'sbroken my boundary and once I
(25:07):
fully feel it, it's like I'mstrengthening that boundary.
But here's my theory abouthumor.
If healed big arms for this oneif healed anger becomes
boundaries, healed vulnerabilitybecomes humor, and it's an
experiment.
(25:28):
This is the fun part.
You can play this with any joke.
Replace the word what's funnyabout this with the question
what's vulnerable about this?
Same answer it's insane andthat's why I've kept it so close
.
But it's.
But you can't go running aroundgoing oh, what's vulnerable
about this?
To come up with a joke.
It doesn't like you've got tojust be like what's funny about
(25:50):
this or what you know.
you're still processing it yeah,I mean you need to be risking
something yeah, exactly, butit's an interesting like knowing
it, you can use it as a shieldand that's what I did.
Um.
The first joke I then learnedfrom that was you know my, have
you heard my 2024 time to fuckjoke?
No, oh, it's just the bit.
So the bit is um.
You know, you guys knowinstagram notes.
(26:11):
It's the instagram note.
Joseph Green (26:12):
So yeah, I'll do the bit.
I don't care, I don't care,yeah um, it's a.
Sharam Namdarain (26:16):
It's a good opener because it gives people a
chance to like, know who I amand learn about me, and it's a
slow, gentle thing.
But basically I posted anInstagram note at the end of
last year.
You know, instagram noteslittle, it's like a Facebook
status but I posted one thatsaid, 2024 is over time for me
to fuck up 2025.
Yeah and um, I didn't realize,but Instagram doesn't show
people the whole message if it'sabove a particular character.
(26:39):
So for the entire day I gotscreenshots.
So now this is the anticipatoryhumor you go oh, he's going to
have fucked up.
For the entire day I gotscreenshots people sending me
messages of what I'd actuallyposted which is yeah, 2024 is
over time to fuck.
And then I go oh time to fuck.
Blah, blah, blah.
There's all this stuff about it, whatever that's very funny,
(27:02):
yeah, but the vulnerabilitythere is.
That I shared a moment of.
I was very proud of this onething, but I wasn't aware that I
was actually vulnerable in the,the accidental, the limitations
of technology.
Joseph Green (27:09):
Also, what's funny is that your intention was to
share this vulnerability.
Yeah, it was it was one Ifucked up.
This year.
I'm going to do it again, yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (27:17):
But actually what?
Joseph Green (27:18):
presented to the world was this audacious
statement like 2021 time to fuckeverybody.
Sharam Namdarain (27:24):
Yeah, exactly, shams on the town.
Joseph Green (27:28):
Yes, and that's the whole.
That's the yeah and whichwasn't your intention.
No, so this is very funny.
Yes, exactly.
Sharam Namdarain (27:32):
And that's there's the clowning and how you
process it.
I'd say it's the vulnerabilityof oh no, I didn't mean that.
For me, that's a I am trying.
A past version of me was alwaystrying to make sure that the
image I presented.
Joseph Green (27:43):
And then a part of you like maybe it is yeah,
maybe it is time to fuck.
Sharam Namdarain (27:46):
Yes, which is funny because I'm I think,
because I'm in a committedrelationship.
Yes, it's.
I don't know how to make it'slike oh, it's been a wonderful
year of sex and it's like wellit has been, it has been a year
Congratulations.
Joseph Green (27:58):
Thank you.
How's your?
Sharam Namdarain (27:59):
year.
Are you in a relationship?
Joseph Green (28:01):
I'm not in a relationship.
Sharam Namdarain (28:02):
Okay, do you have the time?
By the way, do you have a watch5.28.
Okay, we got plenty time.
Oh, my god, we got so much time.
Yeah, so that I think that'sinteresting because, with your,
that saved me that time thing oflike.
Joseph Green (28:16):
are you in a relationship?
No, what's the time?
Sharam Namdarain (28:18):
Yeah, thank you, brother.
Yeah, because, are you?
Oh, thanks for bringing it backup, because with the Punisher,
the vulnerability there, if youplay that experiment, is the
vulnerability is, on one end,these children are enjoying you
calling you the Punisher, butactually it makes you look like
a bit of a pedophile.
No, I don't know if that's thething, but there's a different
(28:39):
interpretation.
Yeah, I don't know if that'sthe thing, but there's a
different interpretation.
Yeah, I don't know, that's tooharsh of a word I would say For
me it's interesting if peoplehave that interpretation,
because I do what's your, I mean.
Joseph Green (28:50):
I do love like playing with kids, which you
know out of context?
Sharam Namdarain (28:53):
Yeah, out of context.
Joseph Green (28:54):
People are so scared to say, oh, don't even
say that, but it's like yeahit's like kids most of the time
are very free and uninhibitedand play very well, like they
commit to an imaginary world anda game and they play with
complete commitment.
And that's what we need to bedoing more.
Sharam Namdarain (29:13):
Yes, I agree with that.
Joseph Green (29:15):
As comedians or just as human beings.
As humans, I agree, but for methe bit of the jumping cast was
like oh, this is me just gettingon their level and playing the
game.
And what's the game?
They've called me the punisher.
What do I have to do?
You've got to punish us All.
Right, you've been punished.
(29:35):
You've been punished.
Sharam Namdarain (29:36):
You don't want to ruin the joke, but there's
more to it than that itescalates and I just play and
I'm always committed to theparameters they create.
Oh, interesting.
Joseph Green (29:47):
And it's always at their behest that they're like
no, no, this is how you play.
Sharam Namdarain (29:52):
I'm like okay, yeah, this is the thing.
Kids are like that.
They're like you're doing itwrong.
Joseph Green (29:57):
If you want me to play this way, I'll play this
way.
And for a lot of people be likeoh, that's inappropriate now
because you're like picking upchildren just willy-nilly, and
especially children you don'tknow, yes, but obviously the
sometimes you have no ideawhat's funny or how or why it
will be funny, other than thiswas a fun thing I did.
(30:18):
Let me share the fun thing andsee if people laugh at any of it
.
And if they laugh, that's howit escalated if they laugh it.
I mean it was a fun thing I did.
Sharam Namdarain (30:23):
Let me share the fun thing and see if people
laugh at any of it and if theylaugh.
Joseph Green (30:24):
That's how it escalated.
If they laugh, I mean, it was atrue enough story that I was
playing with these kids in ajumping castle and the only
adult and throwing them around.
So it's like, okay, how canthat, how can this?
Sharam Namdarain (30:39):
how can this be a?
Joseph Green (30:40):
bit.
Sharam Namdarain (30:42):
Wait for the dogs to finish fighting.
No, that's all right.
Joseph Green (30:47):
So most bits have a sort of like internal game to
them as well.
I don't know what thevulnerability is of the jumping
castle bit or the Punisher bit.
What do you think the?
Sharam Namdarain (31:00):
vulnerability is?
I think it's themisinterpretation, because you
are right in the sense that…that I'm risking being like
aisher bit.
What do you think thevulnerability?
Joseph Green (31:03):
is.
I think it's themisinterpretation, because you
are right in the sense that…that I'm risking being a threat
to kids, do you think?
Sharam Namdarain (31:07):
No, it's the misinterpretation of adult
behavior with children.
Joseph Green (31:14):
Yes.
Sharam Namdarain (31:15):
You said it perfectly.
As adults, we're almost unableto play.
And then we start to play andkids have this intense world and
you enjoy the thing, but we'realmost afraid to be seen
enjoying.
Joseph Green (31:26):
Yeah.
Especially, I don't know inthis spot of time.
Yeah, people don't want to beseen to be having fun or playing
or committing to like achildren's game.
Sharam Namdarain (31:35):
Yeah.
So there's not only that, the,the, the vulnerability of
actually being like no, I will.
Vulnerability of actually beinglike no, I will commit and I
will enjoy this, but also thefoibles of potentially being
seen as I don't know, just acreepy man with kids, I guess.
Joseph Green (31:47):
Yeah what I've seen.
Sharam Namdarain (31:48):
Yeah, and and I'm I guess I'm aware that
that's an interpretation thatcould be made- yeah, but that's
not your interpretation I feel,so confident that, like I'm a
safe guy yeah, you are a safeguy and I think that's and and
that I'm playing innocently andwith curiosity and the right
spirit that's the healedvulnerability, because you're
not saying that you are actuallyvulnerable.
(32:09):
In that way, you are safe.
It's vulnerability plus safety.
Yes, yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Joseph Green (32:17):
But it's fun, I think.
Yeah.
To like be sharing these likefun things, whatever they are.
No, yeah, I agree, and uh, ifsomething is like curious to you
and giving you pleasure, thenit's, and especially if it's
something like you've told thetwo or three people, then most
(32:38):
of the time, as comedians like,oh I keep wanting to retell this
story.
I should probably share it onstage and see I have um this.
Sharam Namdarain (32:48):
my partner has explicitly stated that I cannot
state anything that's actuallyabout our sex life.
Oh, wow.
But there are many things,because we laugh so much
together that there are manythings that I would love to talk
about but cannot in a publicforum.
So this is the most that I will, especially in a recorded thing
(33:11):
.
Joseph Green (33:11):
Just to touch that .
There's a boundary that you'vethere is a boundary between
yourself.
Um, that's good, that's healthy.
Sharam Namdarain (33:16):
Yeah, and she will communication a thing will
happen and she's like please donot mention this yeah even to
the point.
With this podcast she's likeyou cannot decide the name.
That is something I would neverpublish online.
Yeah, that's that, but that'sdifferent people for different
things I find it's a fun thingfor me to figure it out.
What do you think this podcastshould be called?
By the way, it should have thewhy please support me.
Joseph Green (33:38):
I don't know.
There's just like a cadence ormusicality of the sharam.
Maybe it's a familiarity withother notorious podcasts that
have the preceding the name ofthe person, but I don't know.
It just seems sounds better tome.
Sharam Namdarain (33:56):
So what do you think?
That's the most important thingso I think you're right in the
sense that the is an anchoringword yes so it's like you don't
know what, uh, a sharam is, butyou do know what a that is.
So the that prefacing thesharam says this is either
something of noteworthiness orthe next thing is going to be a,
I guess a pronoun, so it givesyou interpretation of that
(34:17):
following word, so the sharam islike oh, it's, that's a pronoun
um, it's.
Joseph Green (34:22):
It's a noun, isn't it?
Sharam Namdarain (34:24):
oh, now no, the pronoun is a name, a pronoun
is like he, she, they.
Joseph Green (34:29):
Oh, I'm wrong, okay, so just a noun.
Then your name is a noun, okayIs there a word for naming names
rather than If you want to bespecific, you can say proper
noun.
Sharam Namdarain (34:38):
Okay.
But I think your name is a noun, as opposed to if there was no,
the Sharm could be anything.
Joseph Green (34:45):
Yes.
Yeah, especially with the way,and it's your full name as well.
Yes, exactly, and it's yourfull name as well.
Yes, exactly.
Sharam Namdarain (34:51):
so that creates more clarity, well
mostly because DJ Sharm has justanything Sharm, of course.
Joseph Green (34:56):
DJ Sharm, my arch nemesis he doesn't even know it.
Sharam Namdarain (34:59):
He's a DJ in Hollywood.
He has here sharmcom.
He has other just simple, justanything that is just Sharm.
His podcast is called Wildcastthe official Sharm podcast.
Wow, wildcast the official.
Sharm podcast.
Wow, so that's why it's notcalled just the Sharm podcast.
Yeah, because he's got theofficial in his I'm going to
give him so much business in thefuture when I'm eventually more
(35:22):
on something.
Yes.
You know, as things go up.
Yeah, I like just Sharm'spodcast podcast apostrophe s,
mostly because if you would say,oh, what podcast were you on?
I was on sharmland arian'spodcast.
Oh, what's it actually called?
oh, no, that's the name yes likeit was just uh, like there's
(35:42):
nothing more to it.
It's just literally audio andmaybe a visual component.
Yes, and I liked the simplicityof that.
Sorry, just spat on you, um,but the, I don't know.
I think I'm eventually gonnaget burnt out by the whole.
Like I'm down to the.
I've had a lot of names, it'sso many I feel like you don't
want to use the.
Joseph Green (36:00):
You just want your name.
Sharam Namdarain (36:02):
Apostrophe s podcast yes, but then there's
also I've I've been arguing withai about this.
Thank you for being on thisjourney.
Yes, with me is that I likewhat's good for SEO and it's
like the apostrophe S isn't bad,but the clarity of having no
apostrophe S is slightly betterfor, dare I say, brand
recognition or something, andalso some SEO things don't
(36:27):
recognize.
Joseph Green (36:28):
In the end you have to sort of take a leap and
trust your own instinct.
Sharam Namdarain (36:34):
Oh, do you know why?
I know what I'm doing with thisIs that when I was a coach, I
changed my name for three yearsHarvey Hook was the name I went
by.
Joseph Green (36:43):
Have we spoken about this?
Your audience knows Harvey Hook.
Sharam Namdarain (36:45):
No, but maybe they do, some will, and maybe
they'll have heard Whatever.
We'll talk about it latereveryone.
Joseph Green (36:52):
He had a name Harvey Hook.
Yeah, An alter ego.
Sharam Namdarain (36:55):
Yeah, alter ego, and so identity crises are
in my.
It's unprocessed identitycrisis.
I know I'm manifesting someunprocessed shit that needs to
be processed through the namingof it.
That's why I don't have anyissues with the names of the
episodes.
It's just the overall nameepisodes it's just the overall
name.
Joseph Green (37:15):
I am dealing with the past, unprocessed self,
through just whatever this is.
I think you just make acommitment and and like I can
change it later yeah, but like Ichange it every week or not,
but just make whatever feelstruest.
Yeah to you, without evenyou've had the consultation with
ai and and now, with all theinformation it's given you, you
have to be the ultimate arbiterof what you execute on, yeah,
(37:39):
and that's and, and, and, theneverything else will flow yeah,
uh, I shall yeah uh, cool, Ithink we can.
Sharam Namdarain (37:50):
It's up here good luck.
Joseph Green (37:52):
Anything you want to say to the people, I'll have
a show next year oh okay, do youknow what it's called?
Sharam Namdarain (37:57):
it's probably going to be called.
Joseph Green (37:58):
The Joseph Green Podcast.
No Mushroom Lady and the Clownoh, beautiful.
Sharam Namdarain (38:03):
That's a name that inspires imagery, and also
also, you're anchoring it in theMushroom Lady well, I worked on
the trial.
Joseph Green (38:10):
I don't know if you're aware of this you've made
jokes about it, but I never youdon't know if it's true or not.
Sharam Namdarain (38:14):
Yeah, no, it's , don't tell me if it's true or
not, I don't want to know.
It is true?
Joseph Green (38:17):
oh, I'll tell you it is okay, I worked as the
associate to the judge up and,and, and I resigned on the eve
of the trial to go to clownschool.
So this is this is this is thethe premise of the show, so stay
tuned, please.
Thank you, yeah, you really.
Sharam Namdarain (38:36):
Yes, I thought clown school was like five
years ago or something like Iwent to clown school.
Joseph Green (38:42):
There's a recent school is continuing okay, don't
stop you never stop learning asa clown okay you should know
that of all the people no, Idon't, apparently I don't.
Sharam Namdarain (38:52):
All right, uh, all right and cut thank you,
okay, bye, thanks brother I like, yeah, there we go, look at
that how long that's good.
Joseph Green (39:02):
Is that the sort of time we were aiming for?
Thank you.
Hi, welcome to the Sharm Namdaren podcast.
I'm Sharm Namdaren.
This is the podcast, and thisepisode is titled A Verbose
Dialogue About Conversation.
Now, why do you think I bringthat up?
Joseph Green (00:11):
And hello, introduce yourself, thank you.
My name's Joseph Green and I'mnotoriously verbose, apparently.
Sharam Namdarain (00:17):
Yeah, no, I like the way you process
language, so this is the point.
This is why.
Okay, because I want thispodcast to have more interesting
conversations.
Joseph Green (00:26):
Thank you.
Sharam Namdarain (00:27):
And I think you're an interesting person.
Wow, thank you.
The reason why I bring you onis because I guess what I would
say is one of my superpowers is.
I understand and I can see howpeople process information, if
that makes sense.
So, like a guy I work for, heprocesses flavor in food
extraordinarily well, oh wow,and it's really interesting to
(00:48):
see him eat something and belike hmm, tasty.
It's like it's quantifiable.
Joseph Green (00:52):
He can articulate the textures.
Sharam Namdarain (00:54):
It's more of a quantity of taste rather than a
like.
He's very good at making itmore impactful.
Joseph Green (00:59):
Yeah, sure.
Sharam Namdarain (01:00):
And maybe textures, is secondary to a
quantitative level.
What I've noticed with you isI've watched you almost pick
your words in the same way thisperson would have tasted flavor
Like.
It seems to me and I'mpresuming I'm very presumptuous
here.
You might tell me I'mcompletely wrong and thank you
for addressing the audience withyour very sensual gaze.
(01:23):
It seems as if you have a howdo I put this into words?
An almost uh, deliciousness inthe way you approach language
wow, that's such a bigcompliment.
Joseph Green (01:34):
Yeah, thank you so much is that?
Sharam Namdarain (01:36):
is that wrong to assume that you taste
language like someone mighttaste?
Joseph Green (01:41):
food, I don't know .
I don't want to get toosentimental about it, but you
want to take care of the wordsthat you use.
Sharam Namdarain (01:48):
Yes, there we go, I'm not wrong.
Joseph Green (01:52):
Yeah, so I don't know what do we want to talk
about?
Okay, yeah, so that's a bigtopic right.
Sharam Namdarain (01:59):
So, for example, I think one of the
things I guess this is just theside effect of, say, comedy, I
don't know if it's you've beenlike this for your whole life,
but like you've got your jokeand I talk about one of your
jokes where you talk about thepunisher.
Oh, that punisher joke.
Joseph Green (02:10):
Yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (02:11):
But that is a cause.
It's like all comedians, Iwould say, digest humor in
something you know.
You're like oh, but what I feellike you've digested in your
joke about the punisher and we,you know, see joseph green to
see it, I'm not gonna fuckingrattle off his whole joke here
is that it is I don't know howlong is a bit like a five minute
(02:31):
bit, four minutes, threeminutes, three minutes all about
the word the punisher.
That's interesting.
The, the two interpretations ofit a childlike interpretation
and the situation and the humorof the situation are then about
how someone else then comes intothe situation and you're like,
oh no, don't worry, daddy, he'sthe punisher and how the other
angle of it sees you in adifferent light yeah and I feel
(02:54):
like the way you've digestedthat and I've seen you almost
pause before words to be likeyes, no, this is what I want to
say, rather than myself, whodare I, is a little bit immature
with my language sometimes.
Joseph Green (03:07):
It's funny that you call it the Punisher joke,
because also it feels a littlebit self-indulgent to talk about
my own joke.
But if you want, to talk aboutit.
Sharam Namdarain (03:14):
I'm happy to talk about it.
It's an interestingconversation.
Joseph Green (03:16):
You just have to trust that it will be.
Actually, when I think of thatjoke, you know, you know how a
lot of comedians are in thehabit of having one or two words
for different jokes or bitsthey have.
Yeah, it's the thing Whenever Iwrite that bit down, it's never
the Punisher, it's always theJumping Castle.
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, becausethat's the whole key of that.
I'm thinking of what's theimage that I want to transmit
(03:43):
and communicate to the audienceand the main image is me on a
jumping?
castle with all these kids andthat happened to call me the
punisher and for sure that likehas laughs throughout the whole
thing.
Yeah yeah, but but I thinkwe're in the practice of
thinking what's a funny imageand then what are the simplest
(04:03):
words to convey that image to anaudience.
Sharam Namdarain (04:05):
I would agree with that yeah, um did you do
that with um luke kidjo, wasthat one you did?
That one did I perform it.
Joseph Green (04:13):
Yeah, haymer hall.
Sharam Namdarain (04:13):
Yeah, yes, I did how did people react to that
?
Because I heard you talk aboutother ones, but I didn't yes, it
went well.
Joseph Green (04:20):
Yeah, it went like how I expected it to go,
precisely.
If it goes well, yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (04:28):
I like.
Yeah, so you're saying youdon't necessarily focus too much
, like you're not enjoying, likemaybe there's a projected
reality here.
Joseph Green (04:38):
No, I think it's not.
It's not about the language.
The language is only a means toconnect with the audience.
Yeah.
And so of course, course, I'menjoying the connection in those
pauses and that space andsilent spaces I'm just playing
with, maybe, attention betweenmyself and the audience, and
different words can do differentthings of course, but if it's
(05:02):
all about just jerking yourselfoff because of certain, I love
this word, it's so delicious,I'm not saying, yeah, that's not
what I'm no, no, no no, I getwhat you're.
Sharam Namdarain (05:11):
I'm just checking this as we go along,
sure, just because it's thefirst time I'm using this.
Yeah, oh, look at that.
It is recording fantastic.
All right, keep talking, yeah,the the.
Joseph Green (05:19):
The words are sort of incidental to transmitting
your own spirit to the people infront of you do you?
Sharam Namdarain (05:26):
that's a wanky thing to say but it's be wanky,
be wanky, love yourself brothat's for sure.
Joseph Green (05:31):
Sure, and but that's what I really feel very
um serious about stand up inthat sense that when you're on
stage, you should be trying tocommunicate, transmit something
of your own spirit to theaudience.
And sometimes words are thebest way of doing that.
Sometimes they're not.
It can be a look.
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It can be just what your body'sdoing.
Sharam Namdarain (05:55):
So in that moment with say there, for
example, the jumping castlepunisher joke, you're saying
trying to translate your spirit.
I love translation.
I think that's a transmissionis another.
Joseph Green (06:08):
What was the phrase?
My partner used to be a yogateacher and she used to say that
what sort of yoga did she teach?
Sharam Namdarain (06:11):
vinyasa flow?
No one's ever asked me thatquestion before.
I actually don't know how toanswer that.
Yin uh, one of the good ones?
I don't know.
I actually don't know classicum, but one thing she used to
say was that people used to pickup on her habits.
Even though she never told themto.
They'd almost read more.
They'd change their eatinghabits through following her and
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doing the yoga practices.
Joseph Green (06:33):
Is your girlfriend like a yoga influencer as well?
No, no.
Sharam Namdarain (06:37):
She sort of used to be like a local one.
Joseph Green (06:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (06:40):
We've both gone from that.
We've both been in like lifecoaching circles as well.
Yeah, okay, but that was pre,uh, pre life coaching, like she
just was, I think, in Queensland, sort of just like a local yoga
teacher, and she just developedthe following through that and
just had an email and justconnected with them.
Joseph Green (06:58):
Oh, very nice, and so I used to teach Kundalini
yoga.
Sharam Namdarain (07:01):
You fucking, you've done everything.
Joseph Green (07:02):
I've done a few things, you've done everything.
Sharam Namdarain (07:04):
I've done a few things, You've done a few
things.
Yeah, Just before I was like ohyes, I was in the.
Joseph Green (07:07):
was it VFL?
I did play in the VFL in 2004.
Yes, and then you also taught.
Sharam Namdarain (07:11):
What was it?
What did I teach?
Yeah, no, you were just saying.
Now you said Kundalini yoga isone of the main yogas either.
Joseph Green (07:21):
No, it's more pranayama based, which is
breathing.
Please help me.
Sharam Namdarain (07:26):
And this is why you were like what kind of
yoga?
So kundalini energy is almostlike a sexual energy, correct,
but a misconstrued sexual energy.
Joseph Green (07:35):
Yeah, kundalini yoga isn't about sex or even
your sexual energy.
No, it's about gee, I'm reallyno, no, good, good, good.
Sharam Namdarain (07:43):
This is what I wanted.
It's about the verbose dialogue, about whatever I said.
The kundalini.
Joseph Green (07:48):
The kundalini is an energy that moves throughout
your whole body yes, and throughyour chakras yes, and and and
the main, yeah, physical partthat or conduit that allows the
energy to move is, is the spine.
So you're doing a lot ofbreathing breath hold.
Yeah, I'll tell you a lot ofthis just to open that heart
chakra.
Sharam Namdarain (08:08):
And maybe this is why, when I talk to you, I
go there is an energeticdissection of the words, because
is it about not necessarilysexual energy, but is there a
pleasure involved?
I don't know In stand-up, ofcourse, no, no, no.
But is there a pleasureinvolved?
I don't know In stand-up, ofcourse, no, no, no.
In the Kundalini, oh, is therepleasure involved?
Is it an energy that peopleoften associate?
Joseph Green (08:31):
Because I want to talk about chakras in a second
because I find that topic veryinteresting, I'll talk.
Yeah, yeah, of course, we cantalk about anything.
Sharam Namdarain (08:38):
Because I'll well on a similar let's.
I meditate a lot.
Yes, often when people ask mehow's your day been, I just say,
well, I've been meditating andthis is the breakthrough I've
had.
Joseph Green (08:47):
What do you do for your meditation?
Sharam Namdarain (08:48):
so it's a combination of stuff I've learnt
from coaching and Vipassana.
Joseph Green (08:52):
You know that the silent retreat, yeah, yeah, yeah
, it's a 10 day silent retreat,vipassana.
Sharam Namdarain (08:58):
Yeah thank you for the people that don't know,
but basically it's just.
Uh, I'm um, I'm almost just,I'm surrendering to any emotion.
I'm feeling good, bad, whatever.
I have almost dedicated a smallportion of my life to this.
For example, 20.
It was pre-covid.
Whatever the year was 2019,2019 I was like I am processing
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my depression.
I ran out of money, I movedback with my family and I
literally lay down, meditatingfor almost an entire year.
My girlfriend calls it the yearI lay down.
Joseph Green (09:28):
Were you going out with your girlfriend at the
time?
Sharam Namdarain (09:31):
Yeah, we were together, but sort of like I
think we'd both been gettingback together.
Joseph Green (09:34):
I've heard to compassionately hold the space
for you to.
Oh, my God, it was the best.
She must love you very much.
Sharam Namdarain (09:39):
Well, we weren't living together at the
time, so at the time, so I'dcall.
I would call it at the end ofthe day and have so much to talk
about, and I was alwayssurprised and it was my sanity
check almost at the end of everyday.
Yeah, uh, and it helped me getthrough it all.
Thank you for checking themicrophone, um, but one of the
things I observe through mymeditation practice is often any
, any process, any emotion I'mprocessing has different centers
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, and those centers, when I lookup chakras, are like oh, that's
what I'm going through, yeah,for example, I'll have a
breakthrough, and it's like itfeels here, like I'm meditating
on this section, and that's whatdoes it call it?
The solar plexus, the solarit's what you digest, chakra.
Joseph Green (10:15):
Yeah, see, look at that, it's.
It's done so many thingsthere's.
I mean, there's a lot of like.
Your self-esteem and sense ofself-worth is like connected
here.
It's also the foundation ofyour heart as well yeah so
there's an interesting umrelationship that, like
proximate chakras, have witheach other.
Sharam Namdarain (10:36):
That's interesting.
I did not know that there was arelationship between them as in
like.
Joseph Green (10:40):
As you said, it's just flowing energy Fun, yeah,
like ideally you want yourenergy to be flowing, you know,
through your chakras, but alsolike realistically in life some
moments, some situations needyou to protect yourself.
So maybe it's not always opento have all seven chakras wide
open.
Sharam Namdarain (10:59):
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, you're privy to the whimsand willies of the universe.
Can you hold this for a second?
Of course, yeah.
Joseph Green (11:10):
Cheers.
Sharam Namdarain (11:11):
Yeah, and so I think, and so I think this is
why I wanted to sort of talk toyou about this, because I
watched you when you wereemceeing at Red Betty.
There was, it felt like andagain, this is Captain Wankery
here and I do not care, but I'mjust prefacing it because you've
been like oh, it was so wankythat you enjoy the words that
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you're saying.
You enjoy it, it's pleasurablefor you almost more than what
the audience is perceiving andit's more pleasurable for me
than it is for them.
Or at least you're enjoying.
No, how do I put it into words?
It's like you're eating thefood that you're cooking and you
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are serving it and you go.
I know this is good and you'retasting it, but it's almost at a
verbal level.
There's sensuality in yourvoice.
Joseph Green (12:04):
Wow, that's so nice.
Maybe I think, yeah, maybe Ihope it's good?
Sharam Namdarain (12:08):
No, because I listen, I watch my things back.
Joseph Green (12:10):
That's funny analysis.
No one's ever said that to mebefore.
Sharam Namdarain (12:14):
Yeah, I will give you a weird analysis.
When I watch my clips back, Iactually feel pain in my own
voice watching it back becausethere's tension here and maybe
I'm trying to bypass I'vedefinitely been that in the way
like bypassed blocks around love.
Joseph Green (12:27):
What do you?
Sharam Namdarain (12:28):
think you need to do.
I don't.
It's the throat chakra thing,right.
Joseph Green (12:30):
I know, yeah, you know this so please support me
in this.
Sharam Namdarain (12:33):
I feel like this is like minds coming
together.
Joseph Green (12:36):
I think, like do you want me to talk about you
now?
Oh, we can Like.
I think like, if you're feelingthis sort of tension in your
throat repeatedly, then maybethere are certain questions you
can ask around that of, like,what am I not saying?
That could be said Yep, Okay,and, and, and ponder that
question and see, just observewhat comes up.
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You might feel something inyour stomach, some apprehension.
I feel dizzy.
Sharam Namdarain (13:04):
As soon as you said that, I'm like whoa
interesting.
It feels like a lot ofunprocessed thought.
Joseph Green (13:09):
Okay, yeah you said that I'm like whoa
interesting.
It feels like a lot ofunprocessed thought.
Okay, yeah, but so just maybesomething between your third eye
, your intuition, and whatyou're communicating, or how I'm
not, I'm just talking shit.
No, but.
But it's good to ponder thesethings.
Yeah, but to pay attention towhat your physiology is doing on
stage.
Sharam Namdarain (13:28):
Yeah.
Joseph Green (13:28):
Because you want to be loose and free and open.
Sharam Namdarain (13:31):
It's tight, my voice is tight, that's how I
look back and I go.
Well you're the best judge ofthat.
Yeah, well, I yeah maybe it'sbecause I watch it and I go, oh,
I see the tension and I'm nowrevisiting a trauma that I'm
recreating in my throat of likea bypassing of something.
Or maybe it's because there's apart of me that thinks it's
comedically.
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I talk like this, like incertain parts, but then it's
like that, I feel, hurts me in away.
Actually, what hurts you, likejust the constriction, yeah, the
constriction of my vocal cordsand what do?
Joseph Green (14:04):
you think the remedy is to feel freer in your
vocal cords.
Sharam Namdarain (14:12):
Well, ironically, it makes me think a
lot about um, when I was in highschool, my cousin's an opera
singer, so the namdarian nameamongst singing people are like
oh you're, you're like, you'relike ben namdarian, the opera
singer wow.
The neurosurgeon opera singer,wow.
And so I was forced intosinging, where I then learned
how to adjust my throat.
Joseph Green (14:32):
So maybe it's ironically like a um but surely
using it, learning about yourown breathing, but also like
where you position your voice aswell yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (14:41):
So there's breathing, there's diaphragm,
but there's also like, oh, likewhen you want to sing higher,
you can actually put it lower inyour mouth, okay yeah and
ironically, I've been like oh, Iwould like to probably bring a
melodic thing which I think younaturally have, which I'm
projecting onto you with thedigestion of your own, the
pleasure in your own words.
I think it is like I wish youwere On the idea of pleasure.
Joseph Green (15:01):
Whether it's spoken or unspoken, it's
important to experience pleasureon stage.
Yes, I agree experiencepleasure on stage.
Yes, I agree, and and and shareit with the people.
Yeah, also, pleasure can beused more broadly.
It can be like sharing yourfailure with with the audience
what's embarrassing to you.
What, what, what did like?
Are you shamed, a little bitashamed about where have you
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failed in life?
And then sharing this with anaudience is a very there's a
pleasure to that, but becauseyou're confronting a part of
your own psyche where maybe youhaven't well, I haven't, for
example, explored all thesethings, but then when I'm
ventilating it, giving it airand giving it visibility, I'm
(15:44):
like hey, what do we think ofthis?
Aren't I an idiot?
I'm such an idiot yeah, yeahand failure and they're like are
we?
we love this.
And you know, one time I saidthis I went on one date with
this woman.
She said something so profounduh, and she's not in the
performing arts or a comedian oranything.
I said to her I think when I'mperforming, audiences love to
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see me fail.
And she said do you think theylove to see you fail?
Or maybe when you share yourfailure, they feel less alone
about their own failure?
Should we wait?
Sharam Namdarain (16:18):
I don't know if that will be in it or not but
, it's gone.
Now I have a working theorywhich I cannot back up, that all
humor is three things.
Joseph Green (16:27):
Yeah, interesting.
What are the three things?
Sharam Namdarain (16:29):
It's a fart, a burp or falling over that.
All humor is three things, yeah, Interesting.
What are the three things?
It's a fart, a burp or fallingover Interesting.
Joseph Green (16:35):
And the fart and the burp.
A fart, a burp, or falling over, yeah, so the fart and the burp
.
Sharam Namdarain (16:38):
I cannot figure out what I mean by that,
but when I say it in those words, it makes perfect sense.
But the falling over is thelike.
That's what that is like whenyou, when you fail on stage,
people laugh at it because.
Joseph Green (16:50):
Or when you're not afraid to fail as well, like
when a joke doesn't land andyou're like well that was meant
to be funny yeah, and the thingabout well, we can talk about
the fart and the burp, butregarding regarding the falling
over, what's also important tonote is that you still need to
take care of yourself in thefalling over.
I had a very good clown teachertell me that we're not when you
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were, when I was at clownschool.
Yes, of course it's not thatwe're laughing at you falling
over the banana peel and hittingyour head.
We don't laugh if you just slipover the banana peel and you hit
your head, but we do laugh ifyou slip over and you fall down.
But as you fall down, you canstill see us and you're sharing
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your eyes with us.
And so just through sharingyour eyes with the audience,
literally or metaphorically, wecan see oh, they're okay,
they're not totally injured.
They have humiliated themselvesand they're just sharing that
moment.
Just, they're on the floor likethis and this is important just
(17:59):
to have that moment oftransparency about your own
foibles and letting the audiencesee it Like look, I stuffed up
here I am, but I'm okay.
But, I did do a dumb thing.
Sharam Namdarain (18:11):
Yeah, and you're aware of it and you're
safe.
Joseph Green (18:13):
So this is nice, but you do need to be taking
like a base level of care,self-care, in order to because,
if, say, you just shatter yourhead, just crack it open.
Sharam Namdarain (18:27):
Hilarious.
Joseph Green (18:30):
A little bit but.
But like, the idea is funny,but if you genuinely see, yeah,
you have to take.
Have some trust in the actualhumanity of an audience that,
collectively, en masse, ifsomeone just genuinely hurts
themselves, they're going to belike, ah, we don't want to see
someone hurting themselves somuch.
(18:50):
And similarly, if you've beentoo self-deprecating or too
self-flagellating, it can.
The audience is like, ah, wewant to, we don't mind you being
an idiot, but like, we stillcare, yeah, yeah, and I so.
I think this is like a tensionto play with between a performer
and the audience, because you,you need to be able to still, in
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all of those intricacies theentire time, be taking care of
the audience, because you're incharge energetically.
You've got to be making sureeveryone in the room is safe.
Yeah, it's really on you thatmakes sense and even if it's a
shit show of people yelling andfalling out and heckling, it's
still.
You're the one with the conch.
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You've got the mic.
So, it's still yourresponsibility, but it's fun,
you're providing safety for themto perceive.
Well, I think they have to feelsomewhat emotionally safe, just
in order to laugh, just on abase level, if you're not
feeling emotionally safe, justin order to laugh, like just on
a base level, if you're notfeeling emotionally safe then,
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your nervous system starts toconstrict and you just, you're
just less likely to laugh.
So you want to prime them.
What are the best conditionsthat make them likely to laugh?
And if you're having fun, andyou're experiencing pleasure in
what you're doing, well, he orshe is having fun.
Might as well try and jump onthe train of this fun train.
Sharam Namdarain (20:19):
I agree with everything you're saying.
I had a response, but I cannotremember it.
Joseph Green (20:24):
Yeah, go on.
Sharam Namdarain (20:25):
I was going to say the fart and the burp.
What do?
You think?
That is yeah, the fart and theburp.
I don't know if it's true.
I was just walking down thestreet and my brain was like, oh
yeah, that's it, and then Ihaven't been able to do it.
Joseph Green (20:35):
Well, okay, so they're both sounds coming out
of different holes?
Sharam Namdarain (20:38):
Yeah, exactly.
Are they accidental?
Are they revelations of?
Joseph Green (20:42):
reality.
There's something about fartingand burping total control over,
and it's a revealed nature.
A lot of comedy is good whenthe performer is slightly, not
entirely, in control.
Sharam Namdarain (20:55):
Yeah.
Joseph Green (20:55):
It's nice to just slightly don't not know what
you're doing.
I mean I.
I have a thing I do most of thetime which is like never know
the first words I'm going to sayon stage yeah, so I'm slightly
off balance.
Sharam Namdarain (21:10):
Is that you actually try that, like that's
what you actively?
Joseph Green (21:13):
hey, mahal, I pretty much knew what I was
literally every other gig.
I'll never know what the firstwords will be, so then, then I
have to be.
It just forces you to payattention, yeah, and and if, if
you're genuinely payingattention to the audience, the
audience will feel it.
You might say something funnyand they they really like ah,
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wow, we love this.
They're commenting on somethingthat's alive in the room right
now, or you at least demonstrateto them I'm, I'm here with you
guys, whatever's happening, thisis unique to us and,
unconsciously, an audience feelsnicer about this I agree with
that very much.
Sharam Namdarain (21:51):
I feel like when I start, every time I start
a set, I'm always like start ifI'm not sure what I'm doing,
just start with how I'm feeling.
Yes, um, there was one time itwas amazing.
To this day I haven't been ableto replicate it.
I bombed really hard at one gig, yeah, uh, and then I came to
dirty and I came on.
Just it was like in that exactshow I'm doing, and I came on
(22:13):
screaming I didn't kill myselftoday, yeah, and it was this
whole thing about how I didn'tkill myself.
There must be a reason to live.
Yes, it's like if I find my carand if I go to my car my parked
car and it's still there, I'mthankful that it's there because
it could have been stolen and Idon't assume that it will be
there.
I'm appreciative.
So, clearly, I must have areason to live and it was this
(22:34):
whole thing.
It was weirdly crushing andeveryone was like new opener,
yeah, and I'm like I, that'sjust how I was feeling in that
moment.
Joseph Green (22:45):
There is no way I'm not constantly thankful, so
that has all the ingredients yes, exactly of like you're sharing
your failure yeah also, you'reretaining your optimism down,
you're retaining your hope.
It's.
It's important, even thoughyou've fallen down, to stay
hopeful.
Otherwise, if you're defeated,we have no reason to watch you.
If you're an idiot who's fallenover but like no, no, I'm still
brilliant.
We're like, okay, silly goose,what you got up your sleeve and?
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and so you, if you bring in thisenergy like I didn't kill
myself, oh, it's amazing yeah,it's like a toxic positivity,
but yeah it's like okay, wethink he's a bit of an idiot,
but he's happy to be living andwe like this energy yeah, and it
was also.
Sharam Namdarain (23:21):
It was just a really interesting thing, I
think the fart and the burp is.
Joseph Green (23:25):
Look, I have a greater theory which I've got
very close to my chest okay, butI need to start letting it out.
Sharam Namdarain (23:32):
Uh, so my perspective is holding his heart
, chakra, yes it's importantbecause it is very close and
deep in my chest, but I feellike it's time to talk about it.
Uh, so in in coaching world, Iwould often say that we get
angry when anger is good,because processed anger becomes
boundaries.
Joseph Green (23:50):
We get angry when people break our boundaries.
Sharam Namdarain (23:53):
Yeah, my therapist is always going on
Because you have constantunyielding boundaries that are
broken and anger issues.
Joseph Green (23:59):
He's saying you need to be better with your
anger.
Yeah okay, change yourrelationship to it.
Sharam Namdarain (24:04):
use it constructively, communicate it
kindly for yourself and peoplearound you yeah, I think it's
because it's such an easy thingto put a veil of shame around
yes, and not give voice to whenI was a kid, my I used to have
big outbreaks of anger andeveryone who's like charm had
anger, like just randomly, onceevery few months, just yelling
and screaming and stuff.
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I remember it.
And then as an adult I'm likeoh, I don't have anger issues
because I don't have issuesgetting angry anymore.
Yeah, that to me is a moretruer statement.
I remember I figured this outwhen one day I was I was walking
across the street and a trucktried to turn and the truck was
too early and the guy in thetruck was mad.
It was like he's like, dude,what are you doing crossing the
street?
And I was like it's my, it'sthe green person, I can walk.
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And I realized I was angry athim because he was breaking my
boundary of this is safe to walk?
yeah he was angry at me becauseI was breaking his boundary of
I've got to go, and this guy'sin my way, yeah, and so you know
, processing and uh, youremotional state of anger becomes
a boundary, like people incomedy, like running a room
makes me angry all the time.
And it's because someone'sbroken my boundary and once I
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fully feel it, it's like I'mstrengthening that boundary.
But here's my theory abouthumor.
If healed big arms for this oneif healed anger becomes
boundaries, healed vulnerabilitybecomes humor, and it's an
experiment.
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This is the fun part.
You can play this with any joke.
Replace the word what's funnyabout this with the question
what's vulnerable about this?
Same answer it's insane andthat's why I've kept it so close
.
But it's.
But you can't go running aroundgoing oh, what's vulnerable
about this?
To come up with a joke.
It doesn't like you've got tojust be like what's funny about
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this or what you know.
you're still processing it yeah,I mean you need to be risking
something yeah, exactly, butit's an interesting like knowing
it, you can use it as a shieldand that's what I did.
Um.
The first joke I then learnedfrom that was you know my, have
you heard my 2024 time to fuckjoke?
No, oh, it's just the bit.
So the bit is um.
You know, you guys knowinstagram notes.
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It's the instagram note.
Joseph Green (26:12):
So yeah, I'll do the bit.
I don't care, I don't care,yeah um, it's a.
Sharam Namdarain (26:16):
It's a good opener because it gives people a
chance to like, know who I amand learn about me, and it's a
slow, gentle thing.
But basically I posted anInstagram note at the end of
last year.
You know, instagram noteslittle, it's like a Facebook
status but I posted one thatsaid, 2024 is over time for me
to fuck up 2025.
Yeah and um, I didn't realize,but Instagram doesn't show
people the whole message if it'sabove a particular character.
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So for the entire day I gotscreenshots.
So now this is the anticipatoryhumor you go oh, he's going to
have fucked up.
For the entire day I gotscreenshots people sending me
messages of what I'd actuallyposted which is yeah, 2024 is
over time to fuck.
And then I go oh time to fuck.
Blah, blah, blah.
There's all this stuff about it, whatever that's very funny,
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yeah, but the vulnerabilitythere is.
That I shared a moment of.
I was very proud of this onething, but I wasn't aware that I
was actually vulnerable in the,the accidental, the limitations
of technology.
Joseph Green (27:09):
Also, what's funny is that your intention was to
share this vulnerability.
Yeah, it was it was one Ifucked up.
This year.
I'm going to do it again, yeah.
Sharam Namdarain (27:17):
But actually what?
Joseph Green (27:18):
presented to the world was this audacious
statement like 2021 time to fuckeverybody.
Sharam Namdarain (27:24):
Yeah, exactly, shams on the town.
Joseph Green (27:28):
Yes, and that's the whole.
That's the yeah and whichwasn't your intention.
No, so this is very funny.
Yes, exactly.
Sharam Namdarain (27:32):
And that's there's the clowning and how you
process it.
I'd say it's the vulnerabilityof oh no, I didn't mean that.
For me, that's a I am trying.
A past version of me was alwaystrying to make sure that the
image I presented.
Joseph Green (27:43):
And then a part of you like maybe it is yeah,
maybe it is time to fuck.
Sharam Namdarain (27:46):
Yes, which is funny because I'm I think,
because I'm in a committedrelationship.
Yes, it's.
I don't know how to make it'slike oh, it's been a wonderful
year of sex and it's like wellit has been, it has been a year
Congratulations.
Joseph Green (27:58):
Thank you.
How's your?
Sharam Namdarain (27:59):
year.
Are you in a relationship?
Joseph Green (28:01):
I'm not in a relationship.
Sharam Namdarain (28:02):
Okay, do you have the time?
By the way, do you have a watch5.28.
Okay, we got plenty time.
Oh, my god, we got so much time.
Yeah, so that I think that'sinteresting because, with your,
that saved me that time thing oflike.
Joseph Green (28:16):
are you in a relationship?
No, what's the time?
Sharam Namdarain (28:18):
Yeah, thank you, brother.
Yeah, because, are you?
Oh, thanks for bringing it backup, because with the Punisher,
the vulnerability there, if youplay that experiment, is the
vulnerability is, on one end,these children are enjoying you
calling you the Punisher, butactually it makes you look like
a bit of a pedophile.
No, I don't know if that's thething, but there's a different
(28:39):
interpretation.
Yeah, I don't know if that'sthe thing, but there's a
different interpretation.
Yeah, I don't know, that's tooharsh of a word I would say For
me it's interesting if peoplehave that interpretation,
because I do what's your, I mean.
Joseph Green (28:50):
I do love like playing with kids, which you
know out of context?
Sharam Namdarain (28:53):
Yeah, out of context.
Joseph Green (28:54):
People are so scared to say, oh, don't even
say that, but it's like yeahit's like kids most of the time
are very free and uninhibitedand play very well, like they
commit to an imaginary world anda game and they play with
complete commitment.
And that's what we need to bedoing more.
Sharam Namdarain (29:13):
Yes, I agree with that.
Joseph Green (29:15):
As comedians or just as human beings.
As humans, I agree, but for methe bit of the jumping cast was
like oh, this is me just gettingon their level and playing the
game.
And what's the game?
They've called me the punisher.
What do I have to do?
You've got to punish us All.
Right, you've been punished.
(29:35):
You've been punished.
Sharam Namdarain (29:36):
You don't want to ruin the joke, but there's
more to it than that itescalates and I just play and
I'm always committed to theparameters they create.
Oh, interesting.
Joseph Green (29:47):
And it's always at their behest that they're like
no, no, this is how you play.
Sharam Namdarain (29:52):
I'm like okay, yeah, this is the thing.
Kids are like that.
They're like you're doing itwrong.
Joseph Green (29:57):
If you want me to play this way, I'll play this
way.
And for a lot of people be likeoh, that's inappropriate now
because you're like picking upchildren just willy-nilly, and
especially children you don'tknow, yes, but obviously the
sometimes you have no ideawhat's funny or how or why it
will be funny, other than thiswas a fun thing I did.
(30:18):
Let me share the fun thing andsee if people laugh at any of it
.
And if they laugh, that's howit escalated if they laugh it.
I mean it was a fun thing I did.
Sharam Namdarain (30:23):
Let me share the fun thing and see if people
laugh at any of it and if theylaugh.
Joseph Green (30:24):
That's how it escalated.
If they laugh, I mean, it was atrue enough story that I was
playing with these kids in ajumping castle and the only
adult and throwing them around.
So it's like, okay, how canthat, how can this?
Sharam Namdarain (30:39):
how can this be a?
Joseph Green (30:40):
bit.
Sharam Namdarain (30:42):
Wait for the dogs to finish fighting.
No, that's all right.
Joseph Green (30:47):
So most bits have a sort of like internal game to
them as well.
I don't know what thevulnerability is of the jumping
castle bit or the Punisher bit.
What do you think the?
Sharam Namdarain (31:00):
vulnerability is?
I think it's themisinterpretation, because you
are right in the sense that…that I'm risking being like
aisher bit.
What do you think thevulnerability?
Joseph Green (31:03):
is.
I think it's themisinterpretation, because you
are right in the sense that…that I'm risking being a threat
to kids, do you think?
Sharam Namdarain (31:07):
No, it's the misinterpretation of adult
behavior with children.
Joseph Green (31:14):
Yes.
Sharam Namdarain (31:15):
You said it perfectly.
As adults, we're almost unableto play.
And then we start to play andkids have this intense world and
you enjoy the thing, but we'realmost afraid to be seen
enjoying.
Joseph Green (31:26):
Yeah.
Especially, I don't know inthis spot of time.
Yeah, people don't want to beseen to be having fun or playing
or committing to like achildren's game.
Sharam Namdarain (31:35):
Yeah.
So there's not only that, the,the, the vulnerability of
actually being like no, I will.
Vulnerability of actually beinglike no, I will commit and I
will enjoy this, but also thefoibles of potentially being
seen as I don't know, just acreepy man with kids, I guess.
Joseph Green (31:47):
Yeah what I've seen.
Sharam Namdarain (31:48):
Yeah, and and I'm I guess I'm aware that
that's an interpretation thatcould be made- yeah, but that's
not your interpretation I feel,so confident that, like I'm a
safe guy yeah, you are a safeguy and I think that's and and
that I'm playing innocently andwith curiosity and the right
spirit that's the healedvulnerability, because you're
not saying that you are actuallyvulnerable.
(32:09):
In that way, you are safe.
It's vulnerability plus safety.
Yes, yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Joseph Green (32:17):
But it's fun, I think.
Yeah.
To like be sharing these likefun things, whatever they are.
No, yeah, I agree, and uh, ifsomething is like curious to you
and giving you pleasure, thenit's, and especially if it's
something like you've told thetwo or three people, then most
(32:38):
of the time, as comedians like,oh I keep wanting to retell this
story.
I should probably share it onstage and see I have um this.
Sharam Namdarain (32:48):
my partner has explicitly stated that I cannot
state anything that's actuallyabout our sex life.
Oh, wow.
But there are many things,because we laugh so much
together that there are manythings that I would love to talk
about but cannot in a publicforum.
So this is the most that I will, especially in a recorded thing
(33:11):
.
Joseph Green (33:11):
Just to touch that .
There's a boundary that you'vethere is a boundary between
yourself.
Um, that's good, that's healthy.
Sharam Namdarain (33:16):
Yeah, and she will communication a thing will
happen and she's like please donot mention this yeah even to
the point.
With this podcast she's likeyou cannot decide the name.
That is something I would neverpublish online.
Yeah, that's that, but that'sdifferent people for different
things I find it's a fun thingfor me to figure it out.
What do you think this podcastshould be called?
By the way, it should have thewhy please support me.
Joseph Green (33:38):
I don't know.
There's just like a cadence ormusicality of the sharam.
Maybe it's a familiarity withother notorious podcasts that
have the preceding the name ofthe person, but I don't know.
It just seems sounds better tome.
Sharam Namdarain (33:56):
So what do you think?
That's the most important thingso I think you're right in the
sense that the is an anchoringword yes so it's like you don't
know what, uh, a sharam is, butyou do know what a that is.
So the that prefacing thesharam says this is either
something of noteworthiness orthe next thing is going to be a,
I guess a pronoun, so it givesyou interpretation of that
(34:17):
following word, so the sharam islike oh, it's, that's a pronoun
um, it's.
Joseph Green (34:22):
It's a noun, isn't it?
Sharam Namdarain (34:24):
oh, now no, the pronoun is a name, a pronoun
is like he, she, they.
Joseph Green (34:29):
Oh, I'm wrong, okay, so just a noun.
Then your name is a noun, okayIs there a word for naming names
rather than If you want to bespecific, you can say proper
noun.
Sharam Namdarain (34:38):
Okay.
But I think your name is a noun, as opposed to if there was no,
the Sharm could be anything.
Joseph Green (34:45):
Yes.
Yeah, especially with the way,and it's your full name as well.
Yes, exactly, and it's yourfull name as well.
Yes, exactly.
Sharam Namdarain (34:51):
so that creates more clarity, well
mostly because DJ Sharm has justanything Sharm, of course.
Joseph Green (34:56):
DJ Sharm, my arch nemesis he doesn't even know it.
Sharam Namdarain (34:59):
He's a DJ in Hollywood.
He has here sharmcom.
He has other just simple, justanything that is just Sharm.
His podcast is called Wildcastthe official Sharm podcast.
Wow, wildcast the official.
Sharm podcast.
Wow, so that's why it's notcalled just the Sharm podcast.
Yeah, because he's got theofficial in his I'm going to
give him so much business in thefuture when I'm eventually more
(35:22):
on something.
Yes.
You know, as things go up.
Yeah, I like just Sharm'spodcast podcast apostrophe s,
mostly because if you would say,oh, what podcast were you on?
I was on sharmland arian'spodcast.
Oh, what's it actually called?
oh, no, that's the name yes likeit was just uh, like there's
(35:42):
nothing more to it.
It's just literally audio andmaybe a visual component.
Yes, and I liked the simplicityof that.
Sorry, just spat on you, um,but the, I don't know.
I think I'm eventually gonnaget burnt out by the whole.
Like I'm down to the.
I've had a lot of names, it'sso many I feel like you don't
want to use the.
Joseph Green (36:00):
You just want your name.
Sharam Namdarain (36:02):
Apostrophe s podcast yes, but then there's
also I've I've been arguing withai about this.
Thank you for being on thisjourney.
Yes, with me is that I likewhat's good for SEO and it's
like the apostrophe S isn't bad,but the clarity of having no
apostrophe S is slightly betterfor, dare I say, brand
recognition or something, andalso some SEO things don't
(36:27):
recognize.
Joseph Green (36:28):
In the end you have to sort of take a leap and
trust your own instinct.
Sharam Namdarain (36:34):
Oh, do you know why?
I know what I'm doing with thisIs that when I was a coach, I
changed my name for three yearsHarvey Hook was the name I went
by.
Joseph Green (36:43):
Have we spoken about this?
Your audience knows Harvey Hook.
Sharam Namdarain (36:45):
No, but maybe they do, some will, and maybe
they'll have heard Whatever.
We'll talk about it latereveryone.
Joseph Green (36:52):
He had a name Harvey Hook.
Yeah, An alter ego.
Sharam Namdarain (36:55):
Yeah, alter ego, and so identity crises are
in my.
It's unprocessed identitycrisis.
I know I'm manifesting someunprocessed shit that needs to
be processed through the namingof it.
That's why I don't have anyissues with the names of the
episodes.
It's just the overall nameepisodes it's just the overall
name.
Joseph Green (37:15):
I am dealing with the past, unprocessed self,
through just whatever this is.
I think you just make acommitment and and like I can
change it later yeah, but like Ichange it every week or not,
but just make whatever feelstruest.
Yeah to you, without evenyou've had the consultation with
ai and and now, with all theinformation it's given you, you
have to be the ultimate arbiterof what you execute on, yeah,
(37:39):
and that's and, and, and, theneverything else will flow yeah,
uh, I shall yeah uh, cool, Ithink we can.
Sharam Namdarain (37:50):
It's up here good luck.
Joseph Green (37:52):
Anything you want to say to the people, I'll have
a show next year oh okay, do youknow what it's called?
Sharam Namdarain (37:57):
it's probably going to be called.
Joseph Green (37:58):
The Joseph Green Podcast.
No Mushroom Lady and the Clownoh, beautiful.
Sharam Namdarain (38:03):
That's a name that inspires imagery, and also
also, you're anchoring it in theMushroom Lady well, I worked on
the trial.
Joseph Green (38:10):
I don't know if you're aware of this you've made
jokes about it, but I never youdon't know if it's true or not.
Sharam Namdarain (38:14):
Yeah, no, it's , don't tell me if it's true or
not, I don't want to know.
It is true?
Joseph Green (38:17):
oh, I'll tell you it is okay, I worked as the
associate to the judge up and,and, and I resigned on the eve
of the trial to go to clownschool.
So this is this is this is thethe premise of the show, so stay
tuned, please.
Thank you, yeah, you really.
Sharam Namdarain (38:36):
Yes, I thought clown school was like five
years ago or something like Iwent to clown school.
Joseph Green (38:42):
There's a recent school is continuing okay, don't
stop you never stop learning asa clown okay you should know
that of all the people no, Idon't, apparently I don't.
Sharam Namdarain (38:52):
All right, uh, all right and cut thank you,
okay, bye, thanks brother I like, yeah, there we go, look at
that how long that's good.
Joseph Green (39:02):
Is that the sort of time we were aiming for?
Thank you.
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