How A 20-Year-Old Turned Obsession Into World-Class Car Audio-Guest Brayden Cooper

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SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
Welcome back to the SoundQ Garage Podcast, a spot
where we talk all thingshigh-end car audio, precision
installs in the pursuit ofperfect sound.
Today we've got someone wholives and breathes music on a
whole nother level.
Braden Cooper.

(00:58):
Braden, man, welcome to theshow, man.
Glad you're finally on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
So why don't you give everybody a little brief
bio about yourself?
Tell everybody who you are,where you're from, what you're
about.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
My name is Braden Cooper.
I am from Southern NewHampshire, South, New Hampshire.
I am 20 years old, and I justlike he said, I eat, sleep,
breathe, music, and audio.
It is the single biggest thingin my life, and that's what I
love doing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
Wow, and you're a young gun to boot, man.
That's awesome.
We don't see that a lot in thisindustry.
A lot of the people that areinto sound quality is usually
like the older crowd, but that'sawesome that uh you're
representing for the for thewhat what do you guys call now?
The xenials, or I don't knowwhat they call I don't pay

(01:50):
attention to all that.
Yeah, I'm Gen X, but I don'tknow what they call the new the
the the whipper snappers.
So uh you said that music is thebiggest thing in your life, man.
Where did that passion start?
Walk us through those early daysin in your mom's basement and
speakers, wiring, walls of soundfrom what I from what your bio
told me.

SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
So So I mean, starting off, music is probably
the single biggest thing in mylife.
I've been obsessed with speakerssince a really, really young
age.
Like I'm talking like sevenyears old.
I was, I believe, 13 or 14 in mymom's basement wiring up walls

(02:34):
of sound with all of thespeakers that you know family
would give me and I'd get foryou know Christmas or my
birthday, and I learned aboutohms very early on because I
kept shorting out the Sony homereceiver I had because it was
wired to an eighth of an ohm,you know.
All the positives and all thenegatives together.

(02:56):
Yeah, I had a somebody gave me a10-inch Alpine type S that I
stuck in a uh plastic rubbermade tote.
Yeah, same thing had that wiredin with everything else.
So it I started with the thespeakers very young.
I always had big speakers in myroom and starting a little bit

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before high school, probablyseventh or eighth grade, I was I
had my own room, got big oldspeakers in there, I had I had
white van scam speakers up on mywall.
Oh man.
Sounded like sounded likegarbage, but they got real loud,
so that was what I cared aboutas a kid.
But yeah, I've just been beeninto speakers my whole life, but

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ultimately that means I'm intomusic, which I think everybody
that's in this hobby is intomusic.
Music is, in my opinion, one ofthe one of the most powerful
things in the world, you know.
Music is very important, Ibelieve.
And music is, you know, one ofthe things that will never never

(04:04):
let me down, you know, wheneverwhenever something's going on,
whenever you got something inyour life, you can always turn
music.
And I think most of us feel thisway.
It's j it's just powerful, andthat's kind of what drives all
of this is the pursuit of musicand replicating it as perfectly
as possible.

SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
It is, it is.
I've said it before in thispodcast.
Music for me anyway iscathartic.
I'm sure it is for a lot ofpeople, I'm sure it is for you.
You get in that car, and youknow, all your stresses kind of
go away when you jam into somegood high-quality sound and
high-quality tunes in the car.
So you got into a shop at 16, isthat correct?

SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
Yeah, I got into a local shop near me in Focus
Mobile Audio.
Awesome group of guys.
I was actually just thereearlier today.
Talk to them all the time.
I worked there for about a yearand a half, I believe, a little
over a year and a half, workingon car audio systems,

(05:05):
motorcycles, and boats.
On the car audio side, I did alot of pretty basic things, deck
and fours, five channels, acouple higher-end builds.
Then on the boat side, I did Idid one huge project, which is
actually the the talk of theLake Winnipes group around here.

(05:26):
Lake Winnipesaukee is a big lakeup in northern New Hampshire
that this boat that I built thesound system is on, and people
complain all year long becauseit is the loudest boat on the
lake.

SPEAKER_03 (05:37):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
So that that kind of follows me around, but their
their claim to fame was actuallymotorcycles.
They are among the bestmotorcycle builders.

SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
That's awesome, man.
Cool place.
I've never seen I've seensmaller setups in boats, but
I've never seen you know, like abig sound system in a boat.
I'm sure, you know, anything'spossible when you throw enough
money at it.
But uh like how how does thatwork?
Like uh, because most boatsspace is a premium, like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:05):
So this was a uh 50-foot catamaran style boat.
So it was a big, big boat.
I believe it was two 624 bigblocks, they were blown, big old
superchargers the size of aHonda motor.
And it had a it's a they'resmall cabins.
They have a cuddy cabin andmaybe five seats.

(06:27):
They're just you know go fastboats.
But we did eight eight-inch horntweeter marine coaxles from
Rockford Fosgate, all in thecabin, just screaming right at
you.
Another eight six and a halvesoff the back of the boat, four
tens under the seat with sixamplifiers on in the uh hat,

(06:48):
four Rockford Punch Marines, andtwo Rockford Power Series
Marines.
It was it was pretty ridiculous.
It was I never thought you couldhave low end to come from a
boat, but this thing had someserious base, it was pretty
cool.

SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
Wow.
That's awesome, man.
So how old were you when you gotyour first vehicle and and threw
an install in it?
Like what did what did what wasyour first setup like?

SPEAKER_00 (07:11):
So I was 16.
I had a system in my truckwithin about a month of getting
it.
So I had never done anything ina car at that point.
I did this right before gettingthat job.
And one of my one of my closefriends' buddies wanted, you

(07:32):
know, basic speaker and headunit upgrade in his Honda cord.
So we did that.
The kid bought a new amp, newsub, four speakers, and a head
unit.
But then he halfway through theinstall, he's like, Hey, why
don't you guys come check thisout?
I got this in my basement.
I don't know if you want it.
And it was it was a sub and ampsetup.
And I was like, Yeah, of course,I'll take it.

(07:54):
It was a Boston Acoustics GT22with two Boston Acoustics
Competitor 1000 tens.
Oh wow.
Um, they were in the BostonPrefab box, which included two
passive radiators.
It was pretty cool.
I had that in my truck almostimmediately after getting it.
You know, went right onCrutchfield and ordered all the

(08:16):
radio parts and got right to it.

SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
That's what uh that's so funny because I know
that you're a youngin', butBoston Acoustics was like the
shizzle back in the day.
When I when I was your age,Boston Acoustics is what like
who would I compare it to?
Kind of like what maybe Moscone,you know, like it was it was one
of the big dogs back in the day.
Yeah.
They they made good stuff.

(08:39):
I mean, they still make goodstuff, but they were one of the
big dogs back then.
They had Neododium tweeters andreally unique subwoofers.
They had that subwoofer.
Is that the one that looks likea racetrack?
The one that's like Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, we will we'll get into thatlater.

SPEAKER_01 (08:55):
Yeah, that was a cool sub.

SPEAKER_00 (08:56):
But yeah, so that that system is what actually got
me stuck on the sound qualityside.
So probably less than six monthsafter that, I wanted to upgrade,
I wanted more.
And then I went through five orsix different setups every
single time going back to thecomp 1000s, because you know,
they were things that werelouder, but very quickly I

(09:18):
realized I was after thequality, and I just kept going
back to that setup.
It was it was just great.
The comp 1000s, they're notfantastic subs, they're not
terrible, definitely not greatby modern standards, but overall
they're they're a pretty goodsounding sub.
But the amp, the amp is really,really nice.

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I love those.
But yeah, I just I kept goingback to it.
I had kicker L7s, the L7 Qs,decent sub.
I had at one point I had a scarin there.
I had a Fosgate sub.
I had all sorts of stuff.
But I just kept going back tothe Boston, and then that was
the starting point of the BostonAcoustics addiction.

SPEAKER_01 (10:02):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's hard to find that thatvintage gear too, right?

SPEAKER_00 (10:07):
Yeah.
I'll actually have to send you aphoto of uh of my basement and
all the things that I have.

SPEAKER_01 (10:12):
Oh, nice.
So you're a huge Bostonacoustics fan.

SPEAKER_00 (10:16):
Yeah, big.
They're home audio stuff too.
I'm sitting right next to theVRM90 towers from them.

SPEAKER_01 (10:24):
Oh wow.
Yeah, I had Boston acoustics inmy car back in the day and they
sounded awesome.
That was one of the one of thespeakers that I regretted
selling, like, you know, whenyou're you know, in this hobby.
Yeah, yep.
With the Neodonium tweeters.
6.5.
Yep, six, six and a half inch.
And there was a shop, only oneshop in town sold Boston

(10:45):
acoustics, and I had to drivelike almost an hour just to go
listen to them.
And I heard them on the board,which, you know, that really
doesn't give you an indicatorhow they're gonna sound in your
car.
But uh they did sound awesome inthe car, and and I don't know
what guy I think I went with MBCourt after that.
MB Court was big back in the90s, and they had the metal

(11:05):
tweeters, which I went with theinstall, and then I didn't I
ended up not liking those MBquartz because the uh Boston
acoustics just sounded smootherto my ears, and I I kind of
regret, but you know, by thattime I sold them, so I was like,
ah, there's no going back, justjust stick with these MB quartz.

SPEAKER_00 (11:22):
I'm not sure what series of Bostons that you had,
but a lot of the uh the laterneodymium VR tweeters came with
a thing called an AMD on thefront.
It was their patented acousticmodulation device.
It basically blocks off thecenter of the tweeter, which is

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kind of a similar feature that alot of other tweeters have, but
it also has five little holesgoing across a little thing
hanging over the front that Ilearned from a friend who was
friends with a Boston acousticsengineer.
He's actually somebody I got alot of my stuff from that those
holes are actually all slightlydifferent lengths, and every

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single one of them is a Hemholtzresonator.
So sure enough, I actually tooka closer look, and yeah,
everyone is a slightly differentlength, and they use that to
attenuate the really harshresonant frequency and the
ringing associated with a lot ofhard-dome tweeters at the time.
So they sounded drasticallybetter than most metal domes of

(12:24):
the time.
They were detailed, not crazy bymodern standards, they were
still pretty harsh, butcomparatively to many other
things at the time, they werevery, very good.

SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
Yeah, the those definitely are not the ones I
had.
I didn't have anything likethat.
I I had just the regular, Ithink, one and a half inch
neododium tweeters.
Yeah, I don't even know whatthose words mean, what you just
what you just ran by me.
One thing that I've noticed withlike soft domes versus hard
domes is you know, yeah, ifyou're not careful, those hard

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domes can get harsh.
But I also noticed that uh youcan never get that extra high
sizzle out of soft dome that youcan with uh with a hard dome,
you know.
At least that's just that's justone man's opinion, but I just
notice you can't you can't uhget those extra high hats like
you can with a metal dome, butyou know, to each their own,

(13:18):
because it you know, some peopleswear by soft domes and some
people swear by metal domes, butwhatever, you know, whatever
floats your boat, right?

SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Yeah, honestly, I kinda I like hard domes just
because that's what most of myfavorite tweeters are.
But I I try to not group them bydome material.
I try and just look at them as atweeter.
But generally, I can tell youmost of the tweeters I like are
hard dome.
I love detail, and if you if youknow how to tune properly, it

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won't sound harsh and you won'tget that fatiguing that the the
fatigue that a lot of peopleassociate with the hard dome.
So but there are definitelyoutliers on both sides.
There's some really good softdomes that I enjoy a lot too,
but yeah, I'm generally harddome.

SPEAKER_01 (14:04):
I'm on the same boat, brother.
So what click that made uhaccuracy and sound quality, you
know, your lane?
What what what clicked in there?
Because I know, you know, Iimagine in your teenage years
you like that thump and youmentioned Scar and Rockford.
So I imagine, you know, I'd sayabout 99% of us start off with a
subwoofer, and we like thatbass, and you know, we're trying

(14:26):
to show off.
And then, you know, a lot ofpeople just stay in that lane,
but some of us, you know, thefew, the proud, move into the
sound quality and accuracy.
What made you go to uh whatclicked?
There must have been something.

SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
It started off with that first install on my truck.
It was I kept going back tothose comp 1000s because they
were just much cleaner, muchless muddy.
And then it it kind of grew fromthere.
So I I'm also into home audioquite a bit.
Home audio is a lot easier thancar audio, and some very basic
setups could sound really,really good.

(15:02):
I had same thing, BostonAcoustics Towers, and I had a
setup in my basement, and it itkind of started there.
You know, I was learning aboutstaging.
I would listen to music, youknow, for hours and just listen
and really enjoy the the conceptof things being placed in front

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of me properly, and it it kindof grew from there.
And then that was while I wassimultaneously at that shop and
I did my first active system ina vehicle.
Yeah.
And I was I was getting you knowresemblances of that in a car.
It was a very install-challengedcar.
It was a Mercedes SL.
Um it wasn't an ideal platform,but it was I was noticing that

(15:46):
you can get that in a car, andthen it just kind of spiraled
from there.
And then I I was forever justinto accuracy.
I have I had so many differenthome setups.
I experimented in my mygrandparents' basement to try
stuff.
I experimented in my bedroom,you know, I was figuring out the
different different atmospheresand different rooms make

(16:07):
speakers sound very differentlyand the things that you have in
the broom.
And it it just kind of exploded.
And it was, I realized thatthat's what I was after.
Accurate sound.
I just I enjoyed it so much.
Listening to music like that wasso enjoyable.
Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
When once you get a nice clear system, like if you
have a reference system, for me,my reference was having a set of
studio monitors in my house, andonce I got my car sounding
better than my studio monitors,I knew that I was onto
something.
So a lot of people, for thelisteners out there that might
not know you, one of the thingsthat you're associated with is

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the Camry.
I call it the Camry.
Why don't you tell people alittle bit about that Camry?

SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
The Camry is a fun car.
The Camry is a 2006 Toyota Camryowned by my one of my best
friends, Gage.
We built that car over the lasttwo years.
It's a pretty cool setup.
It started life with arelatively basic active system

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that lasted less than a monthand then grew into the vehicle
that people know now.
It has five Boston Acoustics GTseries amplifiers and a Helix
DSP Ultra in the back.
And uh actually, even still tothis day, what I would call very
nice amp rack, a lot of stuffgoing on.
You know, cramming five giganticclass A B amps in a small space

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is a pretty big challenge.
Those amps actually take dualfour-gauge inputs as well, so
there's there's two four-waypower power distro blocks on
that amp rack.
It's pretty ridiculous.
I I'll send you a photo actuallyafter this so you can check it
out.
I know I don't think you've seenthe amp rack in the trunk
because it always is full ofgarbage and all the stuff I take

(18:02):
when I travel.

SPEAKER_01 (18:03):
Yeah, I've seen your car twice.
I saw you know when you had thesubs in there, the the uh the
the Boston acoustic subs, and Isaw when you had the when you
had the first tweeters and thenyou switched up the tweeters the
second time.
And it sounded fantastic bothtimes.
It kicked ass.

SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
Yeah.
Yeah, so in the front we haveBoston SPZ 60s.
That was the best componentwoofer that they ever made.
They were in the door for thelongest time, and then this year
I actually built stack fab doorenclosures for them.
They still aren't finished.
They haven't been finished forabout six months, but they will
be finished.

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Those are really, really good.
They do well up there.
And the front kick is two BostonAcoustics Pro 8.5 LFs in a
roughly 0.75 cubic footfiberglass box, stupidly solid
box.
It's about a half inch offiberglass, and then the entire
box is lined with Resinix, CLD,and clay, and then stuffed with

(19:06):
fiber mat.
Really, really solid box.
And then up on the dash in thecorners, I had Boston Acoustics
two-inch mid-rangers out of a VR35 home audio speaker.
Um, but those weren't quite upto par, and they were fading
very quickly from the sun, andthe surrounds were getting
stiff.
So we switched out to Morel'sCCWRs, which are technically

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widebands.
And then the tweeters wereBoston Acoustics VR HOs, it's a
high output version out of theirhome audio VR single digit
series towers, VR 1, 2, 3, thatstuff.
And then in the back,everybody's favorite part, there
is two Boston Acoustics SPG555s, the racetrack, in a

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really, really thick two and aquarter inch baffle, trunk
baffle mounted to the uhsubframe of the car.

SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
So pretty much so you're running those infinite
baffle, right?
Trunk baffle.
Trunk baffle?

SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
The uh the cabin vent is pulled out of the trunk.
So they're it they move a lot ofair.
So much air actually moves outof that cabin vent that the uh
the rear bumper flexes likecrazy.
The the part at the the bottomright next to the wheel will
kind of slap the uh the mousingbehind it because it moves so
much from the air going and outof there.

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But yeah trunk trunk baffled.

SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
I got a I got a taste of it.
I remember when you when yougave me a demo you put I think
you put on like something fromback in the day bass mechanic
right?

SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
When the bass mechanics did I don't know what
song I played for you but Ithey're normally they're like
some indie music things but theyhave just this stupid low
fundamental bass and yeah that'sthat's the party trick.
Everybody loves that I stillhaven't heard a SQ car that can
do what that car can do.

(21:00):
They aren't they aren't by anymeans the most accurate subs but
they have a fun factor to themthat's just unlike anything
else.
They have the so they actuallyhave nearly four inches of
XMech.
That's incredible yeahtechnically only rated 22
millimeters of XMAX.

(21:21):
I'd love to see the clippletested to see what they really
do but yeah they have 45mm oneway of XMech and when I am
playing them all out they useevery single bit of it they have
just under four inches peak topeak of excursion I'm sure
there's videos Peter SteinbacherPS sound actually has a video

(21:44):
somewhere on his phone.
I'll have to have him send me itof them going absolutely nuts.

SPEAKER_01 (21:49):
They move a lot and they move a lot of air yeah I
think I think Peter posted apicture of your car or not a
picture I'm sorry a video ofyour car on YouTube didn't he?

SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
Yeah actually at SVR the the second time did he did
he did he show you did hehighlight the subwoofers or no
not a video no of them playing Ithink I saw them somewhere on
one of his pages but yeah Icould swear video from yeah I'd
have to look back so so forpeople out there that aren't
familiar with these subsbasically picture almost like a

(22:19):
super size six by nine it itit's it looks like back then
those were the I'm sorry werethose Boston acoustics or JBL?

SPEAKER_01 (22:28):
Boston.
Boston okay so back in the dayback in the 90s I think maybe I
I'm not sure exactly when theycame out if they were late 90s
2000s or mid-90s but they theysupposed to be like a racetrack
subwoofer you know look like aracetrack inspired design and I
don't know the backstory behindthem.
I mean you you would know betterthan I do because you're you're

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the expert on those speakers butthose basically are our old
school speakers and they're whatwhat would you say roughly they
would be the equivalent of wouldthat would they be the
equivalent of a 12 or a 15?

SPEAKER_00 (23:04):
So the 555 in the name stands for the cone SD um
they're 555 square centimeterswhich is slightly larger than a
normal 12.
So they're about like a 13.

SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
So it's about so it's like you have two 13s in
your car then?

SPEAKER_00 (23:21):
Yeah essentially they measure roughly 10 by like
13 and 3 quarter inches by thesurround and they're they're
actually a competitor to theJLW7 at the time they have they
have a 3.5 inch coil just likethe 13W7.
I actually owned a 13W7 I boughtit specifically to compare to

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those and I had them both inboxes in my truck and I was
going back and forth and thejust for anyone who's curious
the 13W7 could play ever soslightly lower in a sealed box
but I don't think it had theaccuracy of the SPGs so I ended
up actually selling it.

SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
I sold it for only like 500 bucks before the the
latest price hike and I I couldhave gotten a lot more for it if
if they had adjusted that pricebut yeah yeah so do you know the
design backstory behind that whythey created that subway that
unusual shape was it to to uh tohave better install options or

(24:25):
was that just uh because I don'treally know yeah I remember
advertising at the time hadsomething I to do with racetrack
you know uh yeah inspired Ithink it was just you know they
had back then they had the Sonyhad the the Pentagons you know
bazooka had the triangleseverybody was taker probably

(24:47):
fell into more of a marketingstyle thing yeah yeah um well
they're unique they're they'reshaped unique what they're
they're they're they have aunique shape so I feel like
they're almost easier to installespecially in the the
configuration that you have themin you kind of have them at an
angle I would almost you knowseem like you can they're easier

(25:07):
to install you know what I meanI mean I don't know I'm just
balling up but they are uniquelyshaped absolutely perfect in the
the camera yeah yeah they dothey do fit well there.
It'd be great to get that one ofthose subs over to Nick for his
little testing exercise thathe's doing huh?
What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
I uh I was going to a while ago I forget what
happened but the one I had atthe time wasn't all that great.
Uh-huh um and then I actuallyget this I have so many of them
that I forgot I had this onespecific one that I just
stumbled upon when I moved aboutmonth and something ago I found
a almost brand new one so Ishould probably send him a text

(25:48):
and ask if he wants to thatwould be awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
I'd I'd love to know just out of curiosity because I
know you said they're not like100% sound cue subs, but from
what I heard in your car theysounded great.
I mean it could be a combinationof your tuning or the entire
system as a whole but I I I kindof liken your car more to like a
SQL because just the way that itgets down but I mean that's just

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my opinion that's one man's twocents.
People might disagree you mightdisagree with me I I felt like
your car was a SQL because it itit it was a jack of all trades.
It did fantastic what you hadreally good imaging sounded
clean clean clean but then whenyou put you know when you wanted
to show off that bass it coulddo that because a lot of sound

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cue cars can't get down likethat.

SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
I mean yeah no no they they are really really good
sounding sub just for a funvehicle yes being being a party
trick is cool hair tricks at 13hertz are awesome but they do
sound really good don't get mewrong they're just not you know
the most accurate subs ever I Ialways have a little bit of a

(27:02):
hard time getting them toperfectly blend honestly mostly
due to the backseat resonating Icut out the uh ski pass to let
some air get through yep yep butwith the backseat resonance I
have a little bit of a hard timegetting them to disappear but
yeah they're really good Iactually forgot to mention real
quick about the tweeters in thatcar they were upgraded to the

(27:24):
JBL arena berylliums so that'swhat's in there now.
Yeah yeah I noticed that and youmade those pillars pillars that
are in there now yep everythingfabricated I made so pillars mid
pods door pods front sub rearsub amp rack which is a good or
bad thing depending on whatstage people have seen the car

(27:47):
in it's definitely showed up tosome shows looking pretty rough
but it's it's one bigexperiment.
That car is purely soundquality.
Yeah I'm actually going to ownthe vehicle in a few weeks so
buying it from him.

SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
Nice nice yeah I mean so speaking of let's let's
let's um we'll get back to thiscar in a little in in a minute
but one one question I want toask you so Nick dropped his his
subwoofer testing thing that hedid online and he's causing
quite the kerfuffle onlineeverybody's talking about it

(28:28):
it's been it's been the talk ofthe town for the past 24 hours
and it's upset some people somepeople you know to me it's kind
of funny I'm I'm just sittingback and watching the all the
drama go down.
What do you what do you take?
What's your take on it?

SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
I think if you own a sub and you're happy with it
then don't pay any attention anddon't care because that wasn't
done for you.
That wasn't done for the peoplethat enjoy what they have you
know just want to get down everyday a little bit that was done
for the the people like me theabsolute freaks of nature that

(29:05):
will do anything they can to getevery bit of sound quality
possible it it it's just not foreverybody.
And I also I have noticed thatthe vast majority of people
commenting about it did not readthe entire description before
just immediately diving into thespecs.
If you read the homepage of thatarticle which I've done twice

(29:26):
now it does a very good job ofbreaking down why things were
weighted this way what thismeasurement is what it means for
the performance of the driverit's a great wealth of
information and I am immenselyappreciative that he did this.
It also pretty closely backs upmy findings there were actually

(29:53):
a few oddballs that I couldn'tpredict but the the problem with
using your ears to say hisresults are right or wrong is
the fact that most of the timeyou're not listening to the
driver you're listening to thecar and that is the the big
battle that we face in thisindustry and hobby yeah you're

(30:13):
you're not listening to thedriver in a lot of these
installs you're listening to thecar.
Some cars do a really good jobof covering up distortion on the
low end.
The Camry is actually one ofthem the you don't really hear a
lot of that distortion going onin that very low end but if you
drop the seat down and you putyour head next to the sub that
bass sounds like a wet fart uhit's not not great but that

(30:37):
specific vehicle just happens todo a really good job of kind of
covering it up that's you knowthat's why one I think it's
invalid to say I think thisdriver sounds really good.
These tests have to be wrongthat's not a very valid way to
look at it.

SPEAKER_01 (30:56):
Yeah I mean I I liken it you know basically like
if if you know you go in andsome people buy something from
like I don't know say McDonald'sand they buy that that you know
a Big Mac or whatever and it'sgot the sauce on it.
And some people hate the big thethe the the Big Mac sauce it's
like you know it's not foreveryone and and some people

(31:19):
might not like the sound of acertain subwoofer might not like
the sound of a certain speaker.
It's not for everyone if you'rehappy with your system your
subwoofer you shouldn't evenshouldn't even be chiming in
because it's it's not that whatNick is doing is not meant for
everyone.
It's meant for those people thefanatics that are trying to get

(31:41):
that last 1% trying to squeezeout you know every last drop out
of their system they're tryingto get the absolute best which
in retrospect or in hindsightsometimes you're never going to
get there every every car isdifferent and there's always
compromises with every car.

SPEAKER_00 (32:00):
For example the Camry the Camry ha is a really
good platform but some cars sometrucks some you know hatchbacks
they they all have advantagesand disadvantages some cars have
big dashes some cars have longdashes wide dashes you know nice
spots for pillars some carsdon't some cars already come

(32:20):
with mids in the dash somepeople have to freaking remove
the windshield remove the dashso every car is a compromise and
I think that's that holds truewith with speakers too like
you're gonna get you know you'renever gonna get a 100% sounding
system I mean look at Luke forexample he had an awesome

(32:41):
freaking crazy system in histruck and he's changing it up
anybody in their right mindlooking from the outside in
would be like these guys arecrazy you know what I mean the
amount of money the amount ofeffort the amount of of of uh
labor that we're putting intothese cars is just crazy you

(33:02):
have to be crazy to be in thisin in that you know that uh I
would call you guys the onepercenters you know what I mean
when you're trying to get thatlast frickin' one percent of of
sound quality that's what thistesting that Nick is doing
that's what that's for if you'rehappy with your sub be happy
with your sub man just enjoycrank it who cares what other

(33:25):
people say you know what I meanexactly I think I'm actually I'm
gonna refrain from that commentbut I it's very frustrating
reading a lot of these commentsespecially ones trying to
invalidate the testing becausethe you know I I've spoken to

(33:45):
Nick a lot about this and thethe group of people I'm friends
with has all been prettyinvolved and up to date with
what's going on with the clippletesting and this this was done
by an incredibly reputable labwith a clipple which is an

(34:06):
incredibly complex scientificdevice.
It is every single possibleprecaution was taken and every
single bit of care to test thedrivers and do this and that,
everything was taken to a prettyextreme level like there was a
lot of diligence here that Idon't think many people would be

(34:31):
able to do.
And the other thing too is it ifyou actually read it and just
don't you know skim through itand find what you want to hear
and don't want to hear there's alot of sections where he is
crediting these certain driversI mean you read the Acoustic
Elegance SBP 15 one he saysstraight up this is an

(34:55):
absolutely phenomenal driver.
It is everybody knows it is itis I love the acoustic elegance
drivers they are absolutelybeautiful sounding and then he
points out hey this is a greatdriver only thing is it can't
get down all that much whicheverybody knows you you cannot
get crazy output out of a singleacoustic elegance sub it doesn't

(35:18):
happen.
Some vehicles you can maybe getaway with a single 18 Luke's
truck does that very well Ryan'sHamory does really well with the
single 15.
Yep I think he has an SBP 15that exact sub no he's got the
IBAU he does yep ah sorry butyeah they're they're a fantastic

(35:39):
driver and he says that straightup they just can't get all that
loud so it's one just like yousaid it's a compromise and two
it's perfectly accurate datathat tracks with real world real
world experience specificallyreal world experience in
well-built well treated cars andit tracks with all of the subs

(36:03):
that I've seen so far track withmy opinions and the data that
I've seen on them and the thingsthat I've heard both about them
and personally with my own ears.

SPEAKER_01 (36:15):
So yeah and the way I look at it is you know whether
you're a fan of Nick you don'tlike him you're neutral whatever
here you have a wicked car audioenthusiast first and foremost
Nick is a huge car audioenthusiast I mean you know the
people not for nothing but maybeyou know the people that like at

(36:36):
you know all these big companiesI'm not gonna name any names but
a whole bunch of those peoplethey they might be just a bunch
of frickin' shareholders to acompany that they could care
less about car audio.
You know what I mean?
Maybe the founder started asthat but he's got shareholders
that he's got to be beholden toand you know companies that he's
got to be beholden to andthey're making other types of

(36:58):
products in their product lineupor whatever and they're not
sticking to you know onespecialized product like Nick is
you know Nick Nick's product isRes Nix and making you know high
grade sound damp denoningmaterials for cars and it's
because he's a sound qualityenthusiast himself.
So he knows what he's lookingfor or what's missing in the

(37:18):
subwoofer world.
So he got his hands on as manysubwoofers as he could sent them
out to get tested so that hecould compare and say okay I
want to build my subwooferbetter than this.
What can this one do?
You know so he's trying to makea no compromise subwoofer.
I'm sure what's the yeah sure goahead.

SPEAKER_00 (37:37):
Just sorry to cut you off but just putting this
out there that is exactly howResonix was started in the first
place.
Yep the Sound Edner company thathe loved was no longer producing
product and he was looking forthe same if not better
performance.
And I actually can't remember ifthis was a personal conversation

(37:58):
with him or if this was on apodcast.
I feel like it's both he'stalked about it ad nauseum the
well the this specific thingfinding somebody that can make
this product was actually verydifficult because the product
that he brought to them soundedin her showdown was pretty good

(38:22):
and most of these places saidyeah we can't top that and the
one that finally did said wedon't know if we can but we'll
take a try at it.
It finding these manufacturerswas a was a big deal but the
reason he went through all thateffort is because he was after
the best and the company that hewas using shut down.

(38:44):
So that's that's kind of that'skind of how the subwoofer thing
came about in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 (38:51):
Yeah and he knows the actual answer but you know
yeah we talked about it atlength I had him on my podcast I
don't know if you heard it yetbut yeah you you're gonna take a
you know like a sampling he hecould have just picked one
woofer or two woofers and said Iwant what is arguably one of the
best subwoofers in the car audioworld send me a couple of

(39:13):
acoustic elegant subwoofers Idon't care about the rest.

SPEAKER_00 (39:16):
No he actually went out of his way he spent over
twenty thousand dollars of hisown money to get this
information he didn't have to dothat you know what I mean and
that that's why it you know ifif somebody personally doesn't
like Nick that's cool it it'swhatever but but use the
information for your own gooddon't just dismiss it that

(39:37):
information is here to stay andit is a wealth of information it
is very useful.
You know the other thing uh payattention to what's going on
with specific drivers because ifyou're looking for a driver for
a specific application say afront sub where you don't need
to play down super low grantedeven in a front sub if you're

(39:58):
crossing at 50 hertzRealistically, you should care
about distortion all the waydown to 20 hertz.
But you know, if you're on abudget or you have a specific
criteria, just because that subdidn't score well on the total
ratings list does not mean thatit's going to be a good driver
for your application.
Read the intro.
You know, try to understand whatis going on with you know what

(40:22):
these different things mean, andthen make a choice from there.
You don't have to buy his sub ifyou read the information.
You don't even have to thinkabout it.
You can use that information,believe it or not, you can use
that information for your owngood.
Who would have thought?
You know?
So I that's what I hope peopleuse this as is like, hey, this
is a great wealth ofinformation.

(40:42):
Let's use it.
So that's what I hope comes fromit ultimately.
And in the end, it's only goingto better this industry.

SPEAKER_01 (40:49):
Exactly.
More more information is never abad thing.
And just like you said, taketake uh the acoustic elegance,
because he already tested thatone.
In his first batch of testing,that's one of the ones that's
already up there.
A lot of people already knew,you know, it just confirmed what
a lot of people already knew.
And for next season, I wasplanning on going with a

(41:09):
infinite baffle and top top ofmy top choices acoustic
elegance.
And he just confirmed what I wasthinking.
Now, if I was after 130, 140decibels, I would be like, shit,
I can't use this acousticelegance because according to
Nick's test, it's limited on theX-Max.

(41:30):
And maybe I should look atsomething else, or maybe I
should wait till his subwooferscome out.
But I'm not a SPL kind of guy.
So, you know, the X Max doesn'tbother me.
You know, I don't mind 105decibel, 1010 decibel.
That's fine for me.
I I'm not a, you know, I don'tcrank it anymore like I used to,
but you know, so a subwooferlike that is right up my alley.

(41:53):
So information is always useful.
So anybody out there that, likeyou said, if you don't like
Nick, you like Nick, or you'reneutral, or you don't, you know,
whatever, you got informationright in front of you, man.
Like use it.
You know, put your feelingsaside, you know, and put
whatever uh reservations youhave towards somebody.
You're not buying Nick.

(42:14):
You're you're buying a product,you know.
And whether or not you use hissubwoofer or buy his subwoofer
or not, the information isthere.
Use it to your own gain, youknow.

SPEAKER_00 (42:23):
Exactly.
It's there.
Use it.
If you don't want to use it,don't use it.
It is what it is.
I mean, I'm not I I am prettydrama-free, so like I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna getinvolved, you know, specific
people or this or that.
Like, it is what it is, youknow.
I I like everybody that doesthis.

(42:45):
There there's not a lot ofpeople I don't like, you know.
If even if I have a reservationabout any of these guys in my
head, you know, if I go and meetthem in real life, clean slate,
you know, not everybody is thesame in person as they are
online.
It is what it is.
It doesn't change my opinion ofpeople, but I I just hope that

(43:05):
people people use theinformation for good and don't
think that it's just one bigmarketing ploy.
But you know, at the same time,he spent that much money, he
deserves to use it as amarketing ploy, if his product
can can do what he says it cando, which I have no doubt it
will.
However, I'm not going to say itwill because I don't know if it

(43:26):
will.
If it if it does what he says itwill do, that is awesome.
I got to hear the Gus 12prototype in his car.
And I, if anyone wants to readthat comment, you can just look
under the Resonix post.
I put up a and actually DIYMA, Iput up a very long comment
giving my experience with thatsub, and it was very, very

(43:48):
positive.

SPEAKER_01 (43:49):
Yeah.
I've heard nothing but positivethings about it.
I I missed it.
I was giving demos in my car,and Nick had to go to two
weddings that day.
So I didn't quite get to like Iwas literally about to jump in
his car, but he had to take off.
And you know, people, you know,when you're giving demos, people
are like, Oh, can I hear, youknow, can I hear your car?
Can I hear your car?

(44:10):
And I was like, Man, I want tolisten to Nick's car.
And then Nick's like, I gottatake off to two weddings, and I
was like, damn it, I didn't getto hear the sub.

SPEAKER_00 (44:18):
He uh he shouted from uh from across the parking
lot, Braden, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_01 (44:22):
Get over here.
So Yeah, I've heard no no I'veheard nothing but good things.
I'm sure I'm gonna hear iteventually, you know, because
Nick Nick's part of thecommunity.
Here's the funny thing, right?
I'll tell you a little story.
I met Nick back in 2020, okay?
During COVID.
We went to a get together andNick was this he's still skinny,

(44:45):
but he was even skinnier backthen.
He was the skinny punk, right?
And like you just said a coupleminutes ago about the
personality on the on theinternet doesn't match the
personality that Nick is whenyou meet him in person.
What's that candy?
I forget the name of that candywhere where where the the little
sour patch, is it sour patch?

(45:06):
He's doing like villainous stuffto him and then it turns sweet.
That's Nick.
Because when you meet Nick inperson, he is the nicest guy
that you could ever meet.
Like nicer than most people atthose meets.
At the 2020 meet, Nick literallybrought boxes of Resinix and

(45:27):
passed it out to everybody likefor free.
I I got two boxes of Resenix,which was like$200 worth of
Resinix and at at that meet thatwe the get together that we had
at in 2020.
And he just gave he he he hadlike 10 or 15 boxes of the stuff
in his car.
He gave it away.

(45:47):
How many people do you know dothat?
And a lot of people judgesomebody based on, you know,
their keyboard antics.
And you know, Nick's not one toshut up.
Nick's pretty smart.
He might be a little abrasive attimes, but when you get to meet
him in person, the guy is likeone of the biggest teddy bears
that you'll ever meet.
That's my opinion.

(46:09):
But, you know, don't crucify theguy just from what you read on
the internet.
When you meet Nick in person,he's a freaking cool guy.
All right.
That's that's all I got to sayon that.

SPEAKER_00 (46:18):
But Nick, Nick is, and you know, you know what?
If you don't like Nick, use himas a wealth of information.
Nick is very smart, and he atleast as long as I've been doing
this, everything he says, youknow, is for a reason.
He he really is for the bettergood of this community.
And you know, if anyone wants tosay otherwise or comment on this

(46:40):
podcast and call me a shill,then it is what it is.
But I can I can say myexperience with Nick has been
nothing but great.
And he as he has actually beenthe only person that has never
led me in the wrong directiondoing this so far.
Every single bit of help orinformation that he has given
me, which has been a lot, I haveseen him many, many, many times

(47:03):
because he I am in New Englandand I go to all the New England
stuff.
He's in New York, which isn'tNew England, but all the New
England stuff is close by.
Yeah, he everything he has evertold me has been true.
So, you know, do what you wantwith it.
If if you don't like him, cool.
I'm not gonna judge you for iteither.
If you don't like him, it iswhat it is.

(47:24):
Some people might think somesort of way for some reason.
I don't care.
So uh Nick is great, he has beengreat to me.
He has taught me so much, and hecontinues to teach me so much as
time goes on, both directly andindirectly, through things like

(47:45):
the suburb for testing.
So thank you, Nick.

SPEAKER_01 (47:50):
Yeah, thanks, Nick.
Thanks for your contributions tothe community.
Uh some people some peopleappreciate you and some people
hate you.
What can you do?
You can't please them all.
So, anyway, moving on.
I know that you you bought anAudi, right?
That's your next project, andwhat's the name of it now?
I know you gave it a littlename, right?
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (48:08):
Project Rowdy.

SPEAKER_01 (48:09):
Project Rowdy.
So what what inspired thisbuild?
What's going on with this one?

SPEAKER_00 (48:15):
The Camry sounds like shit.
Um and what I mean by that isthat car is pretty good.
It not on not just subjectively,it is objectively pretty good.
It is a pretty accurate car, youknow, does pretty good all
around, incredible low end.
It is the tonal accuracy isgreat, the imaging is great, it

(48:40):
has very little rear pull, stillway too much for me, but very
little.
It's overall a pretty good car,but not for me.
It is it is nowhere evenremotely close to where I want
to be.
That car, again, is good, butit's just not what I want.
I am after honestly, prettystupid, financially

(49:05):
irresponsible level ofperfection, which there's no
such thing as perfection in acar, but I want to get as close
as possible.

SPEAKER_01 (49:13):
Well, if you're gonna do it in your twenties is
the best time to do it.

SPEAKER_00 (49:17):
Exactly.
Exactly.
I I keep thinking, and you know,everybody that I know, they do
one crazy car when they'reyoung, and then they never do it
again.
So I uh I'm gonna go all outhere because I know I'll
probably never get to build avehicle quite this intrinsic.

SPEAKER_01 (49:40):
Yeah.
So this is uh so you're gonnacall it an endgame, insane level
project.
So what can you tease aboutwhat's playing?

SPEAKER_00 (49:48):
Right off the rip, full Accuton Automotive
Three-way setup.
Nice.
C thirty AMs in the pillars, butpossibly the sail panels.
We'll play around and see whatworks better.
I think the sail panels areactually gonna work better in
that car just based off theshape of the vehicle and the
seating position.

(50:08):
That car, you sit on the floor,you are low.
So it might be nice to get thatextra width.
C100 AMs in the dash corners.
Everything is gonna be all 3Dscanned and modeled.
3D scan with the help of John atmy work and modeled by me.

(50:28):
Nice.
Same thing with the firewall.
So I'm doing the C-165 AMs inthe kicks.
That car has really niceopenings in the kick panels that
will allow me to do really easy.
I would call IB.
It breathes into the subframe ofthe vehicle with no other

(50:49):
openings into the car.
So it's it's pretty much IB.
I may open them up through thewheel well if there's issues,
but and then kind of undecidedon the subsetup in front, kind
of playing with dual Purify 8sor single ResinX Gus 12 in the
passenger side, playing with abunch of different options.

(51:11):
It it kind of depends on once Ipull the dash and get the car
scanned, how much room I have towork with.
Yep.
Because obviously there's onlylimited amounts of areas where
you can cut through into thethat car has a very nice area
that is not in the wheel welland not in the engine bay.
It's kind of like a uh two-layerfirewall, so I won't have to

(51:34):
deal with crazy heat or crazyengine noise.
But it's only so big, so it'sit's kind of gonna be a game of
finding out what's right for theapplication.
So it'll either be IB left andright, or it's gonna be a single
sealed on the right side.

SPEAKER_01 (51:49):
That's awesome.
Because uh no, I was sayingthat's awesome because those
purifies, you're talking aboutthe one with the with that
strange-looking surround, right?

SPEAKER_00 (52:00):
Ushind D.

SPEAKER_01 (52:01):
Yeah, is that what it's called?
Yep.
Yeah, doesn't Luke have the doesLuke still have those in his
truck?
I know Luke's redoing his truck.

SPEAKER_00 (52:08):
Yeah, he has the PTT 6.5s.

SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, those those I rememberAaron tested those and they got
really good feedback from Aaron.

SPEAKER_00 (52:19):
Um, those are those are great drivers.
Very linear.
They sound so good.

SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
Well, I like what you did with the Camry, which
you put the two eights, that'snot a bad idea to put the two
purifies up there like that, andmaybe do some some gusses.

SPEAKER_00 (52:35):
Oh, you're doing stereo left right?
Okay.
Yeah, if if I went withleft-right IB options.

SPEAKER_01 (52:42):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (52:42):
Actually, kind of similar to uh Chris Pierce's car
using the dual front sub anddual mid-base.
Yep, yep.
It would be either an eight orten through the firewall on each
side.

SPEAKER_01 (52:51):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (52:52):
Or a single twelve on the passenger side.

SPEAKER_01 (52:56):
Oh, I got you.
I thought you said you weregonna do two eights similar to
what you did in the Camry.
I got crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (53:00):
No, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (53:02):
Because I was like, well, that would be a good idea
since it's already tried andtrue and tested, that would be
interesting.
I mean, it you know, that's nota bad idea either.
But so yeah, I'm sure you'rewaiting for more feedback or
testing for from the Gus 12,right?

SPEAKER_00 (53:18):
That that part of the build will be coming along
later on, so it's actually notthere's plenty of time for me to
make a decision.
And then same thing with therear.
I am mutilating this car beyondbelief, which is sad because it
is an extremely clean B8 Audi.

(53:38):
Oh, wow.
With very low miles, cleantitle.
It's a such a clean car in aclassification of cars that
aren't normally clean.
But yeah, I'm destroying thispoor car.

SPEAKER_01 (53:51):
Um do you have a build log going on that anybody
that people could see, or isthis top secret?

SPEAKER_00 (53:57):
Yeah, I will.
So I'll be making social mediasfor both my tuning, which we can
talk about later, and for mybuild log.
It's Cooper's Customs.
That's the name of my LLC that Icreated for this.
So it'll be Instagram, Facebook,TikTok for short form content,
and YouTube for long formcontent.
Okay.

(54:17):
Everything can be watched there.
It's gonna be pretty welldocumented.

SPEAKER_01 (54:21):
Yeah, if you send me the links, I'll post them up for
the for the listeners out there,and they can they can follow you
on Instagram, they could followyou on Dyma, and uh, because
this sounds like an interestingbuild.
So did you just did you justhint that that you're gonna be
doing some tuning?
You're you're starting a tuningbusiness too?
That one you just that what Ijust heard.

SPEAKER_00 (54:42):
Yeah, we'll uh we'll talk on that in uh in a bit, but
yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (54:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:46):
More to come there.

SPEAKER_03 (54:47):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (54:49):
What else?
Rear, rear of the Audi.

SPEAKER_03 (54:52):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (54:53):
I am doing two Symphony Prestigos powering the
mid-ranges and tweeters.
They are Gordon Taylor moddedprestigios.
Okay, and then the mid-bases aregonna be powered by a prodigio,
uh, which is a class A B versionof that same class A amp, puts

(55:13):
out a ton of power for themid-bases.
And then uh everything else iskind of undecided.
Probably gonna end up with allmicro precision stuff because
they are also some of the best,possibly the best amplifiers
money can buy.
They're phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 (55:29):
Are you talking about the mono blocks?
Those monoclonal looking ampstoo, but they are pricey.

SPEAKER_00 (55:38):
Yeah, they are.
I would probably end up with afive series, two-channel for the
rear fill.
And then I'm kind of undecidedon uh sub power yet.
I'd love to get my hands on aSymphony Desidero, the absolute
monster, but they are veryexpensive and very hard to find.

SPEAKER_01 (55:56):
Those are Italian amps, right?

SPEAKER_00 (55:59):
I believe so.

SPEAKER_01 (56:00):
Yeah, yeah, they're gorgeous.
Those are all all class A,aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 (56:04):
So the Prestigios are class A, prodigios are class
A B.
I say I believe so on Italian,because they're it's now Corto
Rico.
Okay.
I I don't know where they standnow, but those amps are Italian.

SPEAKER_01 (56:18):
Yeah, yeah.
They're gorgeous amplifiers.
I mean, the only thing I mightbe concerned with is the amount
of po you know, because class Ais is pretty power hungry.
Are you doing anything to theelectrical system or to be good
on the other?

SPEAKER_00 (56:33):
So the the car already has a rear-located VMS
system.
Everything's in the back.
I'm gonna be changing out themain battery to a lithium cell,
and then doing a separate LTObank.
LTO is just a type of lithiumthat has an extremely long life,
but you can also use almost 100%of their capacity.

(56:58):
So, like standard lead acid, youcan use maybe 90, sorry, 10% has
a 90% reserve.
AGMs you can get away with 50,regular lithiums almost 80%.
The LTOs are really greatbecause you can run them down
every time.
So I can basically give demosfor hours and hours without

(57:18):
worrying about damaging thehealth of the battery if I kill
them.
So there'll be a pretty big LTObank in the in the back.
Because yeah, it is it is a lotof power.

SPEAKER_01 (57:29):
Yeah, it's a lot of firepower there, and and uh I'm
sure the stock stock alternatormight might need a little
beefing too, wouldn't you say?

SPEAKER_00 (57:39):
Uh probably not.
Even though the amps are prettyinefficient, everything else
would be pretty efficient, likethe subamps will be efficient,
that's where most of your powercomes from.
Not only that, the all thedrivers in the car are gonna be
pretty efficient.
So it's not gonna be like acrazy high power system.

(57:59):
Um and you know, I would Iphysically wouldn't be able to
listen at those volumes likethat while driving anyway.
So I don't think there will everbe an issue with the alternator.
I've never seen it be an issueon anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 (58:12):
Yeah.
So let me ask you this.
You know, getting back to themicro precision amplifiers, what
do you what's your opinion onthese mega expensive esoteric
exotic amps versus let's say,you know, just your regular ARC
audio or or you know, just thethe the the you know the common

(58:34):
amps that the sound qualityworld uses, like the Helix
amplifiers or the uh I mean youknow, you know, the the the the
common man amplifiers versusthose.
Yeah.
Are you hearing a sonicdifference?
I mean, you know, because I'veheard a lot of systems with you
know, I've heard systems withthe what what the heck is it

(58:55):
called?
The what are the GAN amplifiers?
Who is it that makes thoseagain?
I'm I'm having a brain fart.
Sound digital.
Sound digital, yeah.
I've heard a car with sounddigitals that sounded fantastic,
and I've heard cars with, youknow, old school amps and
whatnot, and I've seen amps thatwere, you know, some of those
amps, micro precision amps, orlike the Helix amp, or no, the

(59:16):
Brax amp, cost as much assomebody's entire system and
their car.

SPEAKER_00 (59:21):
Yeah.
So this is a this is acomplicated one for several
reasons.
One, I love all those amps youlisted.
I mean, I like Moscone's, I loveARCs.
The the arc audio coppers I Iwould probably put in that kind

(59:42):
of ultra high end category.
Same thing with the SEs, thoseare really great.
Yep.
I'm doing an install, I'mprobably tuning it on Monday.
It'll probably be done with anARC Falcon 12 right now at work.
There I love that stuff.
I mean, I like it all, but sothe the reason why I It's
complicated is because mostvehicles, most people's vehicles

(01:00:03):
will never be able to you'llnever be able to hear that
difference.
Again, kind of coming into theyou're listening to the vehicle
thing.
Most people's installs and soundtreatment aren't up to par.
And more importantly, mostpeople's tuning skills aren't up
to par.
That's kind of a huge huge issuebecause it's hard to speak on
something when you're not reallygetting the full potential of

(01:00:26):
it.
So, like a build like CarsonSteigerwaltz, the very
well-known Stag's audio and hisPorsche, that is one of those
cars where you can hear adifference, and I heard it
immediately.
I've heard that car many times.
I heard it at SVR most recently,and then I heard it two weeks
ago with the full microprecisionsetup and the Bracks DSB.

(01:00:48):
And I can tell you for certain,not even up for discussion, that
car, there was a difference.
Now it was not a night-and-daydifference.
This isn't this is not adifference that the average
person should go out and buythese amps, but for somebody
like me and somebody like him,yeah, it it is worth it.
I can tell you that.

(01:01:39):
There is a difference.
Is it for everybody?
No.
But it's for somebody like me.
And it it it is there.
It's absolutely there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:47):
So you're talking like the best of the best.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:51):
Yeah.
You need a vehicle that canactually use these amplifiers.
It's I I would never tell almostanybody to go buy those.
Yeah.
They're honestly, where thosepeople where most people should
spend their money is more soundtreatment.
Whenever you ask about anupgrade, honestly, the answer

(01:02:13):
should be install.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:15):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:16):
Being honest with most of the cars that I've
heard, the answer should beinstall.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, I my my car has$180 moralemid-ranges.
It has uh it had the Bostontweeters for a long time, which
aren't all that great.
They're really good, they're notgreat, but it sounds great
because that install in thatabsolute tin can of a car is
really good.

(01:02:37):
The car is treated really well.
All of my enclosures areinternally deadened and
dampened.
Like there's but even that car,I wouldn't put those hamps on
that car.
But, you know, my point isthere's there's a lot more you
can do to your cheap stuffbefore you get into the
expensive stuff.
That car sounds really, reallygood with really, really cheap

(01:02:59):
stuff, vintage stuff that youcan get for nothing.
It's it's all in the tuning andthe installation.
That's you know, you everybody'sheard Peter talk about it for
years.
It's install and tuning.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:13):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:14):
Uh the the install is critical.
So you're most of these cars,it's not worth to get that crazy
expensive amp and that crazyexpensive DSP.
But for the ones that it is, itis worth it.
And I can I can tell you thatfor a fact.
I am very excited to hear Luke'struck with all of the BRACs and
microprocision amplification.

(01:03:35):
That is another one of thosevehicles that is probably going
to hear a difference.
I'm not going to tell you itwill because I haven't heard it
yet, but I can tell you itprobably will.
I I like to I like to speak fromexperience and fact, not just
suspicion.
That's why I say probably will.
But you know, they're they'renot for everybody, but for some

(01:03:56):
cars, it is it is worth it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:59):
Yeah, Luke's Luke's truck was pretty wild before he
started this new project thathe's doing.
I now it's like Godzilla levelwild.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:10):
But let me tell you, have you ever gotten a little
bit?
Oh, I I saw some pictures of itand I was like, oh wow.
You know, the the the uh the CADdrawings that he had going or
online so far.
I know he hasn't he was showingthree different configurations,
but knowing Luke, it's gonna be,you know, because I know how
what a stickler for details Lukeis.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:31):
Yeah, those three photos were very early on.
You should uh oh it is it'spretty wild now, gorgeous yeah,
it it so have you ever have youever gotten a uh demo in Ryan's
Camry?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:42):
I'm sure you have, right?
Yeah, many times.
Yeah, yeah.
So take Ryan's car, for example.
So Ryan's car is full DIY.
So he did that all himself, noinstallers, no everything.
You know, like we said earlier,the Camry's a great platform,
but literally Ryan's car uh withhe's got arc amps, he's got

(01:05:07):
Excelsius speakers, acousticelegance, infinite baffle,
subwoofer.
His his system is as simple asas you can get.
He's doing some beta testing forExcelsius on the wide bands.
I don't know if you got tolisten to those, but Ryan's car
is is literally probably what uhtwo or three of those amps would

(01:05:28):
cost.
Like total.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:31):
Yeah, and Ryan's car is really, really good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:33):
Yeah, so you can get great sound with you know very
little money, you know, in thesound cue world.
So but yeah, I know what you'resaying.
If you're trying to, you know,if you're if you're trying to go
from 95% to 98% or even 100%,yeah, you're trying to get that
last.
And sadly, when you're trying tomake that big leap, it's an

(01:05:53):
expensive leap, too.
Yeah, just to get that small.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:59):
It is not a linear scale.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:02):
No, no, sadly it's not.
Once you once you get to that,you know, it it's the law of
diminishing results, you know.
That's that's the sad thingabout it.
But this hobby could get quiteaddicting too, because once you
hear a car and you get step intoother people's cars and you're
like, you know, and and it'sfunny because people step, you

(01:06:23):
know, like you said earlier, youwere talking about your Camry,
and you're like, oh, it's thistrash.
But I bet you 20 bucks beforeyou had all that system that you
have on there, the the youngeryou would have frickin' given up
your left leg for what you havein that camry now, you know what
I mean?
So once you get used to what youhave, you still crave more and

(01:06:44):
more and more.
I don't know what it is aboutthis hobby.
I mean, it's a sickness, man.
I've said it before in in inother podcasts.
This is this is not the the notfor the faint of heart, you
know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:55):
Uh yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's not.
Um it is it is challenging.
It I think all of us would belying if we said it wasn't
challenging.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:07):
Yeah, it definitely is.
It could get frustrating attimes when you're trying to get
that that awesome sound.
So why don't you tell the the uhaudience out there and the
listeners about this new tuningthing that you're exploring?

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:20):
Yeah, so I I figured out tuning pretty early on.
I I have tuned that Camry, kidyou not, hundreds of times.
It is so fun to me.
And when something is fun, Ithink you learn it about ten
times faster than when it's notfun.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:43):
Oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:44):
I I love doing it.
And recently I I had startedtuning more vehicles for both my
work and some friends, and Irealized you know, hey, I'm
really good at this, and Ireally enjoy doing this.

(01:08:06):
It and and that's kind of howthe idea started.
And then I just recently I tunedmy first few customer vehicles,
and one of them was a Jeep,which horrendous platform, but
you know, she had a actuallyreally nice system.
It was a three-way active systemwith a front and rear sub that

(01:08:28):
was installed by a shop somewhatlocal to me.
The install was of pretty goodquality, like overall, pretty
good install.
But the tune was the tune wasactually so bad that I I said,
let me go grab my laptop.
I ran inside and sat in her carfor 45 minutes to give her a

(01:08:49):
more acceptable result to listento while she That was like the
consultation when she came by togive her a more acceptable
result to go listen to for thenext two weeks before it gets
tuned.
It was it was that bad.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:01):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:02):
And this is a really well-known shop, like it's a
pretty big shop, and like Isaid, the install looked great,
but the tune was horrendous.
And I tuned another vehiclerecently, a GMC Sierra, full
Utopia build, all arc, arcseries amps, audio mobile Encore
15.

(01:09:23):
And the those are just two ofthe recent ones that I've done,
just for example, but the thebest the best feeling in the
world is when those people textme and say, I just spent four
hours in my garage listening tomy car.
It sounds phenomenal.

(01:09:44):
That is that is the best feelingbecause you took you took a car
that that was either terrible ornot great or not at its full
potential, and you gave thatperson what they wanted, and
they love it.
It is the best feeling, and Iwant to do that for more people.
I I would I would go as far tosay that I am really good at

(01:10:06):
tuning.
It is something that just comesnatural to me.
I understand acoustics and morespecifically vehicle acoustics,
they just come naturally.
It's something that I love, Iobsess over it, and it's
something that I am excited tooffer to other people.
Specifically the people that youknow might not be able to afford
one of the big crazy shops tocome tune their vehicle.

(01:10:30):
It's just something that I love.
And you know, unfortunately,there are more than quite a few
both shops and people that thinkthey know how to tune, and
unfortunately they can't.
And it is a very, verychallenging thing to hear so
many of these cars that were youknow tuned by that person

(01:10:52):
themselves or tuned by a youknow more well-known tuner, not
saying that many well-knowntuners are bad.
I have a couple tuners that Iabsolutely love and think they
make phenomenal soundingvehicles, but there's some other
ones that just can't.
And it it's it's almost sad toget in someone's car that is you

(01:11:12):
know built well and looks great,and it just sounds like shit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:16):
Yeah, I've come across that quite a few times
where the shops got excellentfabricators, they got excellent
installers, but tuning,tuning-wise, you know, they they
lacked in that area.
You know, it's it's it's I'vesaid it before, it's like a dark
art, man.
It takes takes a lot.
Here's the thing with tuning, ittakes a lot, a lot of hours of

(01:11:36):
practice, unless you're asavant, you know.
To some people it comes easierthan others, but you know, I sat
in a you know in my car for likeeight, nine months and couldn't
tune it worth a shit.
It's a lot of it's a lot of andit's a lot of what you call it,
error and and uh trial and errorin and you're trying and you're
trying.
So uh, you know, not notknocking any shops out there,

(01:11:59):
but I I know that it takes a lotof hours of somebody so if a
shop has a great tuner, theyneed to hang on to that guy, you
know?
Yeah.
Because yeah, it is it is kindof a dark art and and the other
thing is too, not many peoplehave good ears.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
The the ears is the other big,big part of it.
Yep.
It you know, you have good ears,you can pick something out
immediately.
I listened to your car.
You remember at H VR?
Yeah, yeah.
I hopped in your car.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:27):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:28):
With whi why don't why don't you tell everybody
within 30 seconds what happened?

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:32):
Oh yeah, it was funny.
We got in there and you're like,you got in there and and you
know like you got any what wasit, pink noise?
We put a pink noise track, and Iwas having a couple phase issues
and stuff like that.
And no microphone, you just gotin there with your with your
ears, and you were like, I waswatching you, and I was like,
wait a minute, what's this guydoing?

(01:12:54):
And uh it's whatever you did,you fixed it, man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:57):
I got in your car and it was it was odd.
Your tonality was really greaton left and right side
instruments and vocals, butthere was something going on in
the middle.
And I said, Hey, you got yourlaptop?
Immediately I knew it was amid-bass problem.
Sure enough, mid-bases were wellover a millisecond on a phase.

(01:13:18):
It could have just been a typowhen you entered in values, but
picked it up instantly.
You know, that's that's a that'sa skill that I'm very proud to
to have.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:30):
Yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:32):
It's not it's not easy.
It takes a long time to figureout, and it it sounds funny
saying that because I'm only 20,but yeah, but you know what?

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:45):
You started you started early, so that's kind of
a good thing, you know.
Most most people don't starttheir car audio career till you
know the after their collegeyears or whatever, and and you
started kind of early, you know.
You were jamming in thebasement, you know.
Your your mom gave you like alittle instead of a rattle, your
mom gave you like a little spoolof wire or speaker to play with.

(01:14:06):
Here you go.
I mean, stop crying.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:09):
Here's a speaker.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh tuning, tuning is tuning isan art.
Tuning is my favorite part ofthis hobby.
It's an art.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:21):
That's one of the last puzzle pieces that's
actually one of the mostimportant puzzle pieces when
you're wrapping up a system.
Ironically enough.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:30):
And it is not only that, there's a lot more to
tuning than pretty lines.
I can tell you, anybody can useRue and a basic UMIC to give you
a really pretty line on an RTAgraph.
I hate to be the bearer of badnews, but RTA lines, a good
chunk of the time, don't meanshit.
It is there is so much more toacoustics than everything on the

(01:14:54):
computer.
There is one, the mic lies.
Array setups are much better atgetting to a great result just
off of the mic.
That's just how they work.
But at the same time, an arraysetup is it's a lot easier to

(01:15:16):
get a phase looking perfect on agraph, but at the same time,
might not be perfect in reallife.
It's it's not a game of of youknow using Roo to set your set
your EQ and just it's it's noteasy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:35):
And for people out there that that that are
wondering, what are you gonna betuning?
Your your pro I imagine you'reproficient with Helix, and you
tackled the mini DSP.
You that was impressive in myown color.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:48):
So Helix, Mini, Arc, Moscone, pretty much all of
them.
Ground Zero, if you happen tohave a ground zero.
Dayton software I'm good in.
How about Goldhorn?

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:58):
Goldhorn's got a DSP out too.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:00):
I have not used Goldhorn.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The yeah, I mean, even even aDayton.
I say I'm good in that software,but there's nothing to that
software.
It's nothing but EQ and TA.
But I've tuned a lot of things.
My favorites are the Helix andthe ARC software.
Uh but I can do almost anythingand I can figure it out pretty

(01:16:22):
fast.
I I just tuned my first ARCsetup last weekend, and by the
end of that tune, I mastered thesoftware.
It's whatever whatever you got,I can do it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:33):
Yeah, I've heard from a lot of people that if
Helix wasn't around or if theyever went out of business, that
ARK is is second in line tothat, to that throne, because
ARK makes a lot of good stuff.
And I like that ARK is involvedin in this hobby too.
You can get custom competitionamps from them and stuff like

(01:16:54):
that, and they're not too faraway.
Yeah, they've been in thisbusiness for a long time, and
and and a lot of people thatwork at ARK are are involved and
compete and stuff like that.
So that's you know, just likeNick, ARK is is one of those
people that that definitely giveback to the community, the sound
cute, sound cute community.
So yeah, if you're looking foramp speakers, I love the ARC

(01:17:18):
Tweeter, three-inch mid-range,four-inch mid-range or whatever,
and and and the the mid-bass,the six point five, I think it's
called like the one point oh,three point zero, and uh six
point zero or something likethat.
Those are really good drivers.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:31):
Um I'm actually I'm not a fan of that tweeter.
Not a fan of the tweeter?

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:37):
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:37):
No, not at all.
But I really, really like the RS3.0, 4.0, and 6.0.
Those are all really good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:44):
Yeah, yeah.
What do you got?
What do you think about what doyou think's up with the tweeter?
Uh when I heard the tweeters, Ithink they sounded pretty good.
I heard it in two differentvehicles, and they seem to sound
pretty good.
They sounded nice and smooth.
They're soft domes, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:57):
Yeah, I've heard them in three.
They are lacking a lot ofdetail, and I would almost use
the word grainy.
I was a little I was a littleskeptical when I heard the first
one, but then I heard it in atwo more vehicles and it kind of
backed it up.
That's just my opinion.
My opinion means nothing.
Don't base a purchase off of myopinion.
I I do really, really like thelow frequency drivers from them.

(01:18:21):
Yep.
The uh iTuned a car two monthsago with the RS 4.0 mid-ranges,
and I loved them.
So I also love their amplifiers,big fan.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:32):
Yeah, well yeah, their amplifiers are workhorses.
Those things are are beautiful.
And the what you call it, thethe the copper ones that you
mentioned earlier, ooh, thoseare beautiful amps too.
If I was to redo my car, yeah, Iwould go ARC ARC Amplifier
because they're just gorgeous.
And they've been in the game fora long time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:50):
The ARC series are brute power monsters.
The X2s put a lot of power fortheir size and sound good.
The Falcon and Blackbird are youknow great all-in-ones.
And you got the coppers, they'regreat.
So yeah.

(01:19:12):
Helix and Brax, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Um I love the Helix GUI, it'sreally nice.
The stuff that you can do withHelix is amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:20):
Yeah, they have a they have a lot of features too
that can help out people thatare new to tuning.
Yeah.
They also have a really nicebuilt-in help feature for the
people that don't know when youare tuning.
It'll actually tell you a lotabout the app and how to use it.
So I definitely use that when Iwas in beginning stages of my
tuning abilities.
So, yeah, I mean I Yeah, Idownloaded the app.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:43):
It was it was pretty pretty intuitive.
So I wasn't intimidated by it.
I was like, Oh wow, no wonderHelix is so popular with the
sound quality community.
So, Braden, where where canpeople find you?
Where can people follow you?
You wanna drop those links?
You wanna you wanna tell peoplewhere they can uh

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:00):
Yeah, so it's it's all gonna be under Cooper's
Customs.
That's my business name.
That's what all the socialmedias are gonna be.
I've already made several ofthem.
That's gonna be both where toaccess me for tuning-related
things.
That's going to be where tofollow my build blog on the
Audi, as well as updates on theCamry.

(01:20:21):
The Camry is gonna get a fewsmall things going into the 26th
season just to kind of make it alittle bit better, fix a few of
the things that I think arereally lacking.
Yeah, that's where you'll beable to find all that.
So I am I'm very happy to offermy my tuning abilities to other
people.
I've I've spent at a lot ofthese shows, I've spent more

(01:20:42):
time in other people's cars thanin my own, just helping them
with tuning stuff.
That's it's kind of my myfavorite thing to do is when I
get in a vehicle, I asksomebody, do you want me to
listen to enjoy or do you wantme to listen to critique?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:56):
Yeah, because some people are like, yeah, I don't
want any.
I've gotten into a couplepeople's cars and they're like,
Yeah, I don't I don't need anyfeedback.
I usually don't give feedbackunless I'm asked anyway.
But you know, some people givefeedback without asking.
And, you know, I've had a couplepeople do that, and I'm like,
hey bud, I didn't ask you forfeedback.

(01:21:17):
You know, but it is what it is.
I I love feedback personally.
It oh, I love it if I ask forit.
Like a but you know, sometimesI'm I'm just like giving people
demos and I didn't ask them forany.
And some people just get itunsolicited, you know.
It's all in good good faith, youknow.
I'm not I'm not knocking them.
I just kind of like don't reallytake their advice unless I'm

(01:21:38):
like really looking for like,you know, like with you, you
guys, this past summer when youdid the little thing in my car,
and then I got some feedbackfrom Nick and I got some
feedback from Miguel, who thatstuff was gold to me.
So I went back to the drawingboard, I came home and tweaked
my s my my DSP and and my EQ towhat they were you know, the

(01:22:00):
feedback they gave me, and thecar sounds way better now, you
know what I mean?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:04):
So yeah, what it I normally ask before giving
feedback, but like in a car likeyours, where I could tell that
there was there was somethingvery small off in an overall in
an overall correctly set uptune.
It was like that was somethingthat I'll impromptly bring up
because I was like, hey, I thinkyou know that we can fix this

(01:22:24):
quick, but yeah, because I ranDirac, and so the thing with
Dirac, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:31):
It's not 100% foolproof.
You kind of got to get in thereand massage it a little bit.
That's what Ryan calls it,massaging.
So you gotta go in there and andand tweak a little things.
And I knew something was off.
I I I think that's one of thethings I told you.
I'm like, something's off.
Something's not quite right inhere, man.
Can you can you give it alisten?

(01:22:52):
And man, you worked your magic.
Nick gave me some advice.
He said, Don't touch that frontsubwoofer.
He's like, it sounds good.
He said, Turn up the sub base alittle bit.
And Miguel told me to turn down8,000 and 16,000, and I I did a
little tweaking in that area,and I I I raised up the sub
subwoofer level a little bit andgave, you know, punched up the

(01:23:15):
sub-base a little, and it justthose small changes that you
guys helped with made a hugedifference.
I was so close, and I was like,and I wasn't satisfied with my
system, you know what I mean?
I'm I mean, we never are 100%.
That's the that's the that's thecrazy thing about this hobby.
But you know, for now, I'mhappy.

(01:23:36):
I'm I'm I'm good to go.
You know, I'm gonna do I'mhoping to do infinite baffle
next season.
You know, if if money isn't aproblem, you know, I'm gonna
upgrade to acoustic elegance.
Who knows?
I might even try uh August 12because Nick's got me intrigued
with this with that subwoofer.
So it'd be interesting to seewhat A Gus 12 could do in there.

(01:23:58):
So uh Nah, go ahead.
What were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:01):
If you uh need to get it tuned, give me a call.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:04):
Sweet, sweet.
Oh yeah, yeah, you'd definitelybe on my on my short list,
that's for sure.
So Brainy, I think we're gonnawrap it up.
I think we got a lot of content.
What do you think?
Oh man, I could talk for hours.
Yeah, oh I I could too, but ourlisteners out there, I I I gotta
give them little little bites ata time, you know what I mean?
That way I have them comingback.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:24):
Yeah, of course.
Um yeah, I mean, just justrecapping real quick.
I I am not only offering thisservice in the New England area,
I'm actually offering it allover.
So when when Miguel announcedthat he was stepping down and
putting putting waveform to theside, which for anyone that

(01:24:45):
doesn't know, Miguel is one ofthe best in the business.
He is a phenomenal tuner.
But he's one of the only guysthat travels.
I was like, oh, you know, maybethis is my chance to get out
there.
So I can travel.
The of course the cheapestmethod is to do it right here at
my home shop, but I travel, Ican drive by car, I can fly by
plane, whatever it is, I canmake it work.

(01:25:08):
So I think my pricing is veryfair for the uh quality of
service given.
And I would I would love to keeppursuing this and helping many,
many other people's vehicles.
So it's fun to me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:23):
That's awesome, man, because a good tuner is hard to
find.
I will say that.
Good tuners are hard to find,man.
Yeah, you're welcome, buddy.
So everybody, thanks for tuningin.
Say goodbye to uh Braden Cooper.

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