September 6, 2025 • 34 mins
When sneaker shop owner Kevork Kiwanian walked into family court, he had no idea he was about to lose everything. No criminal record. No abuse. Just a father fighting for his kids — and facing a system designed to silence him. In this episode, we expose the shocking truth behind missing transcripts, corrupt judges, and the clerk who risked it all to tell the truth. Kevork’s story is proof: when parents speak up, power gets scared.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
In this episode, you will be blown away by what has
happened to Kivo.
He exposed something that I havenever heard of, and I have heard
thousands and thousands ofstories.
Stay tuned.
You'll be completely surprised,as have I was, of what happened
in his case.
If you don't think this canhappen to you, you're wrong.
It can happen to any goodparent, any mother, any father.
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And we are getting louder andstronger.
Watch what's next.
stand with Meg show, defendingparents, protecting children,
giving a voice to the voiceless.
I'm your host, Meg, a mother, asurvivor, an advocate fighting
to expose the family courts andempower parents everywhere.
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Today, I'm sitting down with afather that's been battling
family court and he realized thesystem is broken and corrupt.
We're speaking with Keevork.
You might know him if you're inthe sneaker world.
He's been in retail since 2021,but today we're not talking
about sneakers.
We're talking about what'shappening his story.
And like many of you listening,he's had to learn the system is
broken.
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It's working exactly how it'sdesigned.
Let's get to it.
We're here with Corvik.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Welcome.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Hello.
Hello.
Thanks for having us.
SPEAKER_02 (01:13):
What is your Instagram?
What are you?
What is you?
What are you?
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Me?
I sell shoes.
That's what I am.
My name is Kvork Kiwanian.
I sell shoes.
SPEAKER_02 (01:23):
That's
SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
awesome.
I'm the CEO of My SneakerPalace.
Got all types of shoes.
And So in a little
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
bit, I'm going to ask you if you have these type
of shoes there.
So people keep listening andwait to see what kind of shoes.
I'm going to ask him to see ifhe has them.
I don't think he does.
SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
Let's do it.
We'll see what we got.
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
Okay.
Well, I'm glad to have you here.
And I'm so happy to see people,business owners come in and go
through the same thing thatwe're all experiencing.
And so that's your work is yoursneakers, correct?
But you've also experienced thefamily court corruption and the
pain in that.
So tell me a little bit aboutjust like a basic, when did you
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realize family court was notprotecting our children?
UNKNOWN (02:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
the moment they read that corrupted verdict against
me where it was all turned 180without explanation whatsoever.
And the kids being completelygone 3,000 miles away to
California while we lived in thestate of New Jersey.
SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
And so they just took your kids away and they
were allowed to go from NewJersey to all the way to
California with their parent,with the mother?
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Well, in other words, it started off with going
to vacation Mm-hmm.
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And I filed for divorce aftershe blocked me.
I filed for divorce and to havethe children seek to be returned
back to the state of New Jersey.
An amazing judge named JudgeJames Jimmy Guida was awesome.
Great judge.
SPEAKER_02 (03:23):
Is this a New Jersey judge?
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
Correct.
Bergen County.
Great judge.
He was awesome.
As soon as he took the case, hewas seeing it right through the
bullshit.
And he ordered for the kids tobe returned back to the state of
New Jersey after denying.
like half of the business, thisand that.
They were going aftereverything, basically.
So in other words, on February22nd, 2022, Judge James Jimmy
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got up, put in an order sayingthe kids must be returned back
to the state of New Jersey byMarch 23rd, 2022, which under
the circumstances, I had to geta two year paid off, like two
bedroom or a single family homefor her to stay like for free.
So she could come back becauseshe was claiming she didn't have
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the funds to support herself.
And the reason why she notreturning is because she's
staying at her parents' houserent free.
and that the parents werehelping her with the kids.
Now, I'm over here looking witha real estate agent a place for
her to stay.
March 22nd comes around.
An order to show cause has beenput in place saying the reason
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why she's not returning back tothe state of New Jersey tomorrow
with the children is becauseshe's scared for her life and
that I was abusing her everysingle day.
Now, this is happening with allthe brand new attorneys.
So...
So basically...
SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
We
SPEAKER_00 (04:51):
can pause it
SPEAKER_02 (04:52):
if you want.
SPEAKER_00 (04:53):
No, it's okay.
We have like two minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
So tell me what was it like before you guys got
involved with it?
How were you as a father?
Were you both involved parents?
What was it like before you gotinto family court?
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
It was just regular couple.
Basically, I go to work.
She stay at home mom with thekids.
Everything was just fine.
It just came out of nowhere.
The whole situation is just hitout of nowhere.
Moves quick, stuff like that.
Maybe she wasn't happy with themarriage any longer or she was
missing her family over there.
Whatever the case could havebeen.
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So once you have kids, it's allabout the kids, not about me or
you at this point.
And she just...
So the Judge James Jimmy got herand said, I'm not buying this.
We've been going back and forthto court for a whole year.
We basically wanted the soul outof this guy while keeping his
kids 3,000 miles away.
And now you're telling me this.
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However, we're going tobasically appoint Dr.
David Gomberg into the case.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Who's Dr.
David Gomberg?
Who's that?
SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
Super smart, intelligent person that I ended
up meeting through the court.
He's a psychiatrist that's likewell known in Connecticut, New
York and New Jersey.
Well, very well respected aswell.
I mean, you could tell the manis all there.
You know what I mean?
When you have a conversationwith him.
And
SPEAKER_02 (06:11):
you're getting him involved.
SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
The judge gets him involved.
They refused.
to hire him because we weresupposed to hire him jointly.
I was supposed to put 15 grandin an account.
She was supposed to put 15 grandin an account because he's not a
biased person.
It's basically all about thechildren and that's what he's
known for.
And he doesn't even take all thecases that whoever wants to hire
him.
So if he feels like, hey.
SPEAKER_02 (06:33):
Wait a second.
$15,000 each?
You have to put it in an accountfor
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
him?
There was something above thoselines.
You know what I mean?
From what I remember.
Because it's like a nine-month.
He had to fly out to California.
He had to do an investigationthere.
There was so much going on overhere.
The number was up.
It wasn't a low numberwhatsoever.
They refused.
They basically said.
Who's they?
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My attorney, defense, and myex-wife, yeah, saying we're
going to hire our own, eventhough Judge James Jimmy got it
said, I'm still going to dowhatever Gombrich says, which
doesn't make any sense.
First, you didn't have thefunds.
Now you want to hire your ownperson instead of just the
judge.
You know what I mean?
You don't go against the judge.
So...
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They hired somebody else.
They did a nine-monthinvestigation.
Dr.
David Gomberg.
He did it?
SPEAKER_01 (07:24):
Did he end up doing it?
SPEAKER_00 (07:25):
Yeah, he did it.
He took my case in.
After the nine-monthinvestigation, he, like, put a
capital letter saying, this iskidnapping.
Kids must be returned back tothe state of New Jersey
immediately for the bestinterest of the children.
You can't just keep the kids3,000 miles away from their
father for no reason.
SPEAKER_02 (07:42):
Right.
I've
SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
never been in trouble, never been arrested,
never just straight business.
You know, what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (07:47):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
So...
4-27-2023 Intensive SettlementConference gets into place,
which Dr.
David Gomberg started talking tothe judge at 12 o'clock because
Judge James Jimmy Guida wantedto speak to him.
And he basically put in an ordersaying...
SPEAKER_02 (08:06):
Who put the order in your judge in New Jersey?
SPEAKER_00 (08:09):
Yeah, in New Jersey, again, Bergen County.
So he backed to the same thingas to what happened.
SPEAKER_02 (08:14):
So after you had this report come out, the
doctor, the psychiatrist said,nope, this is kidnapping.
You can't take children 3,000miles away.
The judge comes in and sayswhat?
SPEAKER_00 (08:26):
Goes back to careful.
You got 10 minutes to put 40grand in your attorney's account
so you could have two years ofstay.
Now...
SPEAKER_02 (08:33):
Wait, wait.
So he said that he wanted youguys to stay, meaning everything
to stay put, meaning she canstay in California and you
can...
Right?
What do you
SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
mean?
No, he basically just went backto what happened in February of
2022 where I had 10 minutesbreak room to go put 40 grand
into my attorney's account.
So she could have the two yearsof free stay.
He went back to before theallegations of the assault
because there was no assault.
So he's like, we're going backto it.
The kids are coming back.
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Put$40,000 in your attorney'saccount so she could have two
years of stay.
And that's it.
So when we came back from thebreak room, the defense goes,
we'll give him$40,000 for him tomove to California for 50-50
custody.
And I said, absolutely not.
I have so much going on here tobegin with.
It's so much easier for me justto give her the$40,000 like the
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judge asked to begin with.
She claims she works 15 hours aweek at a dental assistant to
answer phone calls.
We got a lot of dentalassistants around here, too,
where...
SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
And you have your business there and
SPEAKER_00 (09:33):
stuff.
Correct.
Yeah, business, house, it'sjust...
Always been a Jersey guy
SPEAKER_02 (09:38):
to live as well.
Right.
And the kids used to go toschool there.
No
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
school.
They were just so young.
Yeah.
My son was January.
So he was like three months old.
My daughter was two years oldwhen all this was happening.
And are they
SPEAKER_02 (09:51):
in school now?
SPEAKER_00 (09:52):
Yeah.
Over there, though, inCalifornia.
SPEAKER_02 (09:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
Second grade.
My daughter started.
And that happens.
So judge goes, you know what,Kev, just save your money.
Trial starts first week ofSeptember.
No biased.
circumstances for the kids stillstaying in california until the
trial is fully concluded saveyour 40 grand i'm like a few
months away 40 grand hell yeahi'll save it you know what i
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mean so july comes around judgejames jimmy guider retires then
right before trial date soseptember 18th
SPEAKER_02 (10:28):
retires right before your trial
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
trial Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (10:32):
Did you know that was happening?
I
SPEAKER_00 (10:33):
didn't.
When they
SPEAKER_02 (10:36):
scheduled you, did they say, oh, just so you know,
he's retiring?
No?
No.
Okay, sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (10:43):
I was just notified, hey, the judge on the case has
been retiring in July.
There'll be a brand new judgeassigned to the case taking the
trial, not knowing anythingabout the case for the past
three years that's been goingback and forth.
Okay, I mean, in my mind, Istill got Gombrich's report.
Well, and you still have
SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
trial coming up and you have an attorney ready.
So you have all your stuffready.
So, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
Yeah.
September 18th, 2023.
Dr.
David Gomberg is first becausehe was my witness.
You could tell once he was goingin, Julie Kim had no doubts that
the kids were coming back.
The new judge's name was JudgeJulie Kim.
She was a great woman as well.
I have no complaints about her.
She was very nice.
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She was straightforward.
She was fair enough.
She did unite my family afterGombrich testified.
I went on the September 19th andshe ordered for the kids to be
in the state of New Jersey forbasically October, Halloween.
I get to spend my son'sbirthday.
He was born on November firstfor the first time and yeah and
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then their fourth sibling wasborn so i moved on with somebody
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
not your fourth not yours
SPEAKER_00 (11:55):
my my i have four in total two from my ex-wife and
two just moved on right afterthat
SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
okay
SPEAKER_00 (12:03):
We have, now we're four.
We're all chilling.
They had to go back because Ihad them for Christmas of the
year before.
It was her turn to have them,which was fine.
Then January 25th was the lasttrial day to where it left off.
You could tell the whole timewe're winning, of course.
It's very simple how it was soeasy that they were bullshitting
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the whole time.
And...
We left off.
We left January 25th that thekids weren't going back to
California.
That's where we stopped.
So at this point, were
SPEAKER_02 (12:36):
the kids in California or were they in New
Jersey?
I
SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
had them for Valentine's.
I got them back.
She was
SPEAKER_02 (12:45):
flying with the kids with all this.
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
So either I go pick them up, she brings them, or I
go get them and she...
SPEAKER_02 (12:51):
So you fly out there, pick them up, and then
fly back.
SPEAKER_00 (12:54):
Fly back, same day, the same.
It's a lot of hassle, you knowwhat I mean?
Now, I had the kids.
There was no order for them togo back.
They were in the state of NewJersey.
The last thing she said was Iwill read the final.
We'll have the final JOD beforeMarch 31st, which March 31st of
2024 was Easter.
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I'm like, all right, take yourtime.
I don't care when you read it.
You know what I mean?
What do you mean read
SPEAKER_02 (13:20):
it?
Read the order?
SPEAKER_00 (13:21):
Yeah, read the JOD, the final verdict.
SPEAKER_02 (13:23):
But she hadn't read it yet.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
No, she hadn't read it yet.
But you knew it
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
said that they had to stay in New Jersey, the
SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
children.
Yeah, from what we left onJanuary 25th, there was no order
in place saying that I have toreturn the kids on March 31st,
which was Easter.
Last I know that we'll have thefinal verdict.
There's no calf taking the kidsback.
We left the court flying as wewon.
I'm like celebrating and allthis.
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It was so obvious.
There's
SPEAKER_02 (13:49):
no actual order.
And when you left, but thenthere was one and she said she
hasn't read it yet.
Correct?
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
Yeah.
So basically I have the kidsJanuary.
I mean, March 30th comes around.
My own attorney calls me saying,I see an order in place here.
have to return the kids tomorrowon March 31st.
I'm like, what?
There was never an order inplace when we were in court
saying I've got to return thekids on March.
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The only thing she said wasshe's going to have the verdict
by March 31st, implying thatthose kids weren't going back
because she didn't tell me totake them back.
SPEAKER_02 (14:23):
Well, but if Kay says she's going to have a
verdict, that means her decisionwill come out then.
SPEAKER_00 (14:27):
Yeah, but you could tell the whole time.
She united us in October,November.
She didn't care about the factthat the mother kept saying, oh,
they're going to school.
She's like, you're talking abouta first grade.
They're not in high school.
You know what I mean?
She was ripping the mother thewhole time.
Okay, so
SPEAKER_02 (14:41):
then your attorney calls you and says, you got to
return the kids because theorder came.
SPEAKER_00 (14:45):
Yeah, I'm like, what?
He's like...
I was like, you telling me thistoday that I got to return the
kids tomorrow while there wasnever something like that in
place?
Because number one, if that wasthe case, I would have bought
the tickets.
I'm not going to leave it forthe last day.
Number two, that never tookplace.
Call and find out what's goingon.
Like, why is there?
I'm like bugging out.
And plus, the same judge thatunited me with my kids wants me
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to fly on Easter day, not bewith my other family.
I celebrate Easter.
You know what I mean?
It's a huge holiday for us.
You want me to leave in themorning, forget the other two
kids, my whole family.
family, my parents and everybodyelse.
What judge is going to put anorder like that after uniting
the family?
I said, there's something wrong.
There's a foul play.
Something's not adding up.
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He's like, I don't know.
I was like, I'm not returningthe kids on Easter.
I'm going to enjoy my Easterwith the kids.
And plus, it was my turn becauseshe had them the year before to
begin with.
So none of this is adding up.
He said, you don't take themback.
You're going to get arrested.
I'm like, fuck it.
We'll get arrested.
You know what I mean?
If that it is.
As long as I get to spend myEaster with my kids because I
know something is happening.
You know what I mean?
That's not what happened when wewere there.
That was never the situationbecause that being said, when I
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was there on January 25th, JudgeJulie Kim's court clerk
obviously was watching the wholething going on.
When he was walking towards thebathroom, he just, like, looked
at me.
He's like, you know you won,right?
I was like, yeah, it wasobvious.
You know what I mean?
Your attorney
SPEAKER_01 (16:05):
said that, right?
SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
No, no, no.
Judge Julie Kim's court clerk.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (16:10):
Yeah, he's like, you know you won, right?
We don't believe anything shesays.
He's walking to the bathroom.
I was sitting outside.
I was like, yeah, it's obvious.
I said, the other judge,Kahnberg, like, the reports are
all there.
So I'm just...
Very comfortable, you know whatI mean?
There's no questions, there's nodoubts in my mind whatsoever.
Nobody could do that.
Nobody could just take the kids3,000 miles away or shouldn't be
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able to take the kids 3,000,unless I'm an unfit parent.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Like, it could be a drug addict,alcoholic, none of that.
There's none of those above,never been arrested.
Nothing changed between that onemonth for you to go 180 against
me.
SPEAKER_02 (16:47):
Okay, so what happened?
Get to the main potatoes of it.
What
SPEAKER_00 (16:50):
happened?
ticket.
I got scared.
He kept on calling me on Easter.
I returned the kids April 1st.
I was like, it is what it is.
You got to give me some answers.
We got to figure out what'sgoing on.
I'm not trying to go to jail.
He said, let's wait for thefinal verdict.
April 24th comes around.
He's like, he calls me.
He's like, we have court today.
I'm like, well, I can't make itbecause I'm in Florida.
I have a little chicken store inFlorida, in Tampa, Florida, and
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I'm running.
I had to be here.
Can you tell them to rearrange?
Because I can't just make itthere.
He's like, oh, no, don't worry.
This one's going to be on Zoom.
I'm like, this one's going to beon Zoom.
Every single court case was inperson.
The most important court casethat they're going to read the
final verdict is going to be onZoom.
That's strike number two.
SPEAKER_02 (17:31):
Well, if you're just reading it, it could be on Zoom
because all you do is show upand you read and you leave.
You don't get to do anythingwith that.
SPEAKER_00 (17:38):
To me, I was already feeling something, you know what
I mean?
Oh,
SPEAKER_02 (17:40):
I know.
You're feeling it in your gut.
SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
I'm already feeling it in my gut.
You're telling me the last day,you know what I mean?
You're sniffing some stuff goingon here.
I'm reading it.
I'm feeling it.
It's gut feeling that you get,like you said.
SPEAKER_02 (17:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:54):
We get on a call.
A Zoom call starts.
Basically, the same judge whounited the family that was with
the whole time, ripping them,right off saying all previous
orders from previous judges havebeen uplifted and the kids are
now permanently Californiaresidents.
I turned yellow.
Wait, say that again.
You
SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
talked really fast.
SPEAKER_00 (18:14):
Basically, previous order from previous judge, which
was Judge James Jimmy Guida, hasbeen uplifted, like none of the
whatever he said matters, andthe kids are now permanently
California residents.
Where the hell did this comefrom?
Not only that, my spring breakshave been taken away from me.
Christmas breaks, it went from,we had it to where the moment
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they're done with school, I'llhave them until the day before
they start school, which wasthree weeks.
Somebody removed those orders,made it from December 21st till
December 26th.
I'm like, yeah, what a smartjudge.
Can't even play with yourChristmas toys?
2050, open your Christmas toys.
26th morning, we're going to geton a flight?
SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
Right,
SPEAKER_00 (18:55):
right.
Who is this?
It's a day there and a day back,so...
After not seeing them for 180days, you want me to have them
for three days?
And then holiday season?
Who removed all these ordersthat was in place?
Everything has been removed.
Nobody's explaining me nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (19:11):
What did your attorney say?
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
He's the one who sold me out.
SPEAKER_02 (19:17):
Ooh.
It all goes down to theattorneys.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Well, this is how it all worked out.
This is where the most highlightof the part starts.
So they read this on me on4-27-2023.
Right?
And the first Saturday, which ison 4-27-2023, guess who shows up
to my store?
The same store I'm talking toyou with.
Judge Julie Kim's court clerk.
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At the door.
My whole family is in here.
I'm pitched yellow just likethis.
Everyone's trying to make mefeel better.
The door opens up because I havetwo doors.
The first door opens up.
I always greet people just likebefore when somebody walked in.
The second door opens up.
I'm like to my employees, myfamily, get him.
He's the one who sold our kids.
You know what I mean?
He opens the door screaming inhere.
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Get rid of your fucking attorneyright now.
I know who sold your kids.
I know what judge got paid off.
The whole situation.
It's like I need to speak to youin private.
It's Saturday.
It's Packwood store.
I'm like, what the fuck is goingon?
Brought him around the showcase.
This is all on video.
Brought him to the showcase,took him to the back room of the
store, tells me the whole storyfor 18 minutes.
He's like, I haven't slept forthree days.
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And this is the lady.
I don't even know what she lookslike.
Obviously, I had to search herup.
The person responsible.
SPEAKER_02 (20:31):
I saw your website.
SPEAKER_00 (20:32):
Correct.
So it was her.
She had no reason to enter her.
So basically, what he told mewas just like insane.
In the back room, how Julie Kimwas arguing with Mecca.
Mecca was saying, who's the bosshere?
I'm the boss here.
He got involved saying, youcan't do this.
Like, we know she's lying.
Like, it was he said it wasturned into like a complete.
(20:54):
political war shit show,whatever that means.
I don't know.
What has that had to do withkids or like my situation?
So
SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
you have a video of him, the clerk, walking with you
around?
Oh my gosh.
Can we pop it in?
I would love to pop it in.
That would be great.
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
My attorney needs that.
My attorney's approval because Ihad the prosecutor's office has
also asked for the video wherewe're holding it until it goes
to in front of the right judge.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (21:18):
We'll show it one day.
I'll go right here.
SPEAKER_00 (21:19):
Yeah.
Dave Weigel seen it.
Roots, like...
Okay, Dave seen it.
I've left...
Yeah, I've let people watch it,whoever needs to watch it, you
know what I mean?
But that replay for it to go topublic has to be in front of
like a federal judge orsomething before.
I also have to.
SPEAKER_02 (21:34):
It's funny because I have a video as well of my ex's
now wife plotting with a policeofficer.
I don't know if you've seen thatvideo.
She's plotting with a policeofficer because she used to be a
police officer and they'reliterally, it's a 45 minute cop
video and they're trying tofigure out a way to get me
arrested so she can take mytwins and call them her own.
And we, she's, we, they wouldn'tlet me do anything with this
(21:56):
video for years because it wasunder, you know, it's
investigation.
And, um, and so finally, I thinkit was five years later, they
finally got to, I finally gotit, got to talk about it.
And I sent it to the policestation, the detectives, and I
filed a report against thepolice officer that did that.
And, um, so that, but it wascrazy because they kept this
(22:17):
video forever and I couldn'ttalk about it because under
investigation, well, no one didanything.
So just be careful.
SPEAKER_00 (22:23):
God.
Yeah.
I'm,
SPEAKER_02 (22:24):
but now you should go watch that video because it's
the
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
same thing yeah where the
SPEAKER_02 (22:29):
police police were helping this woman steal my
children and call them her ownbecause she just wanted me in
jail because she wanted my kids
SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
Doesn't work that way.
But you have
SPEAKER_02 (22:38):
a judge with a clerk that's coming out.
SPEAKER_00 (22:41):
Yeah.
The clerk
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
lose
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
their job?
Well, 831.
Yeah.
The last thing he said is like,I can't fucking do this.
He's like, I'd rather just keepon selling cars.
I don't know what he's doingnow.
I know his last day when I spoketo him, he said it was 831-2024.
And everything was awkward inthere at this point because me,
I called all the attorneys inour area.
I made a group chat with almost100 police officers because I
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serve a lot of police officersI'm open to the public people
come in here all the time okayso
SPEAKER_02 (23:11):
I want to do kind of a rundown of your whole story so
that people can reallyunderstand what's happening here
because you just blew my mindyeah okay you have your children
go through divorce you have lotsof courts pay a lot of money for
a psychiatrist he says keep thechildren in New Jersey the kids
are going back and forth foryears you got some time with
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them and then all of a suddenyou go to trial with a brand new
judge your old judge that youknew the truth, retired, but you
thought, okay, it's fine.
I'm going to do trial.
Even the clerk during trialstated that you're going to be
fine.
They see the truth.
Great.
You feel great.
And then out of nowhere, there'sthis, all of a sudden, this
meeting, this court hearing onZoom and you're in Florida and
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you can't, it's all on Zoom.
But then all of a sudden theyread off everything that you
thought was wrong and gone.
And your kids were gone.
They're residents of California.
And then you lost all yourholiday and your time and And
the calendar is so bad that youcan't even utilize your holidays
because it's not enough timeframe to go back and forth and
fly.
SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
Correct.
And then
SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
you're at home or you're at your work and all of a
sudden you're just that coloryellow and this person goes in
the front door and yells?
SPEAKER_00 (24:24):
427.
And you, 427 in 2024?
SPEAKER_02 (24:26):
24.
And you
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
then go
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
outside and you have a recording of this clerk
telling you how this judge waspaid under the table.
to get the other, you're, oh myword.
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Yes, ma'am.
18 minutes and 29 seconds.
I have the whole video in theback room.
Now, not only that, so now Ihire the best attorney there is
in New Jersey.
I look up, of course, we needsomebody very powerful now
outside the county.
At this point, I know what'sgoing on.
It has to be different powers ofcounties at this point.
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And now they want all thetranscripts, right?
The new attorney wants to seeall the transcripts and see
what's going on.
Somehow, the IntensiveSettlement Conference from
4-27-20-23 has been completelymissing.
Oh, darn.
Deleted.
Deleted.
There's no video of court.
There's no transcripts of thecourt.
(25:24):
Not only that, I have the wholeorder from Judge James Gimigata,
which I'm going to show on thescreen at this moment.
And it says that there'sabsolutely no trace of of me
being in court that day.
So I don't know if he's able toread this.
I'll read it out.
Good morning.
Please see attached.
Here's what I see in the courtsmart on this date.
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The case you are looking forisn't listed on the lock sheet.
I also attached a copy of whatcomes up when I type in the
docket number.
Please review and confirm thedate needed.
I already know my name like myname was that day.
Here is the order.
SPEAKER_02 (26:03):
Email me a screenshot of that.
I'll pop it on.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
Yeah.
It shows you right here.
427.
I'll pop it
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
on video.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:10):
427, 2023.
That's Judge James Jimmy Gaitas.
He was an awesome judge, whichwas signed by him.
Now, mind you, the corruptedattorney that sold me out, our
court date was on 427, 2023.
These are his invoices.
He put 426, 2023, attendhearing.
I'm like, you need to changethat.
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It was on 427 and it wasintensive settlement conference.
He refuses to change it.
So now, then after that here isthe complete court emails
indicating that we were neverthere yeah we were there on 4 27
dr david gomberg went on at 12o'clock so now since there's no
transcripts there should be avideo surveillance here's the
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judge's signature from that daynow if you look up every so in
this paper right here it showsyou every single family the
judge seen that day okay and inthe bottom at 11 11 my last name
is not there where we started at11 30 from 11 30 to 1 So they
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went in,
SPEAKER_02 (27:18):
deleted the transcript, deleted any evidence
that's in the court, but youhave emails to prove it
happened.
You also have proof that yourlawyer was there, correct?
UNKNOWN (27:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:28):
None to mention, you probably have a picture or
something.
SPEAKER_00 (27:30):
But they're like
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
saying, nope, if it's erased in the system, it
didn't happen.
SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
It just says you weren't even on the lock sheet
that day that you saw thatjudge.
Somehow, you got wings and flewout of those courtrooms while I
SPEAKER_02 (27:44):
know I was there.
And you were just a ghost therewitnessing it.
UNKNOWN (27:47):
I...
SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
Not just witnessing it.
I have.
SPEAKER_02 (27:50):
And you
SPEAKER_00 (27:51):
have proof you were there.
Right.
Yeah.
Complete proof from.
SPEAKER_02 (27:54):
They're making it.
They want to make it look likethat you are making this up.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
I don't think they realized I was going to go ahead
and start digging.
SPEAKER_02 (28:00):
Right.
And that's what they don't.
They don't think people are.
And that is one time.
One reason I've been speakingout so loudly because I was so
horribly upset, like youprobably were, that you can't
even think about why your rightswere taken away sometimes
because you're so upset.
They're children.
Your children are gone, right?
And so that's one thingbecoming, doing what I've
(28:23):
started doing.
I'm getting stronger.
People are getting stronger.
The more you speak out, you getstronger.
Then all of a sudden yourealize, wait a second, I got to
go dig.
And they don't like it.
They don't think you're going todo it.
They think you're just going tocower down and be upset.
Oh, heck no.
They're not.
And that's what the wrong dadand the wrong mom.
SPEAKER_00 (28:39):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (28:40):
Yes.
And I think that is what'shelping us getting loud and
people coming out more is peopleare realizing, wait a second,
this is not just happening tome.
This is happening everywhere.
Have you experienced anyonefinally now that you're kind of,
have you gotten pretty loudonline doing this besides that
website telling about it?
SPEAKER_00 (28:57):
Oh, yeah.
I had a protest outside of Route17, which was the heart of
Bergen County.
We had the whole highway shutdown.
I mean, you
SPEAKER_02 (29:03):
got a shirt on right
SPEAKER_00 (29:04):
now.
I had people, a shirt on.
I have 600 shirts made that isgoing to be given out for on
September 7th, 8th, 9th, whoeverjoins me.
SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
When does this judge get reelected?
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
She's the presiding judge.
So,
SPEAKER_02 (29:18):
Ours, like my judge, it's horrible.
His next time is next year, soI'm going to start doing a
campaign so everyone can get himout.
So yours is like voted in oryours is signed?
SPEAKER_00 (29:29):
I have no idea.
SPEAKER_02 (29:30):
Well, look it up.
I
SPEAKER_00 (29:31):
did.
I looked it up.
Somebody named Governor Christieis the one who appointed her to
the bench.
SPEAKER_02 (29:37):
They're appointed.
And they don't have to run forelections then?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (29:40):
2015.
Basically too deeply rooted, inother words.
I've seen
SPEAKER_02 (29:47):
judges get put in.
They're supposed to be electedin, but then they got put in,
and then all of a sudden, theydidn't really campaign, but
they're in.
That happened in Texas, I found.
So, what would you tell anyparent right now that might be
going into family court, hurtingin family court?
What's one thing of advice thatyou would share that this could
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happen to anybody?
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
One thing I learned is record everything that's
going on in there.
Record everything that's goingon, because my transcripts have
and tampered with.
There was never an order sayingI had to return the kids on
Easter.
So you're telling me a judgetold me I had to return the kids
on Easter and I sat there andsaid, sure, I'll ruin my Easter,
ma'am, and I'll return my kids.
(30:30):
No, I would have fought that.
You know what I mean?
And no judge in a right mindshould do that because it's
supposed to be 50-50 balance.
Why would I ruin your Easterwith your kids when it's a
holiday?
Do I want you to travel 3,000miles back and forth?
And what about your otherchildren and your wife or your
your family, you know, as ajudge that shouldn't be allowed
(30:51):
to begin with.
SPEAKER_02 (30:53):
Right.
So, so I guess my point of thisis when people start this
process, you can say, I'm agreat father.
I'm a great mother.
There's nothing that I've donewrong.
I have no backbone, but this canhappen to anybody,
SPEAKER_00 (31:04):
anybody,
SPEAKER_02 (31:04):
anybody,
SPEAKER_00 (31:05):
anybody.
And
SPEAKER_02 (31:06):
what would you tell somebody that?
How would you tell them?
Look, this is not just oneperson's story.
SPEAKER_00 (31:11):
To anybody.
You got to watch the attorney.
You hire number one.
SPEAKER_02 (31:15):
Yes.
I
SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
learned from me because if it wasn't, Where the
corrupted judge comes thecorrupted attorney.
SPEAKER_02 (31:21):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
You know what I mean?
So if it wasn't for my ownattorney that turned his back on
me, Jane Galena Mecca wouldn'thave been able to do what she
did because...
SPEAKER_02 (31:31):
And not everybody has a clerk doing what they did.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Correct.
That's very rare.
Correct.
I mean, I have a lot offollowers.
It turns out to be somebody thatthey know.
We serve.
I've been selling shoes since2001 in this area.
So that's...
24 years of selling sneakers.
My parents own sneaker stores.
My brothers own sneaker stores.
SPEAKER_02 (31:52):
Not everybody has that.
But so are you saying thatbecause you've been loud and out
there too, that would probablyhelp?
SPEAKER_00 (31:58):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (31:59):
Help the fact that they're like, wait, I know this
guy.
SPEAKER_00 (32:01):
Yeah.
I know this guy.
I don't, I can't believe theydid this to this guy.
You know what I mean?
Out of anybody.
They didn't think they'll, theyprobably just thought, Hey, just
get them.
We got paid.
Yeah.
He'll be upset.
He'll get over it.
Not knowing that it's onlygetting the wrong
SPEAKER_02 (32:16):
one.
SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
It's getting deeper and deeper.
All
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
right.
So thank you for coming on theshow.
I wanted to show you my favoritesneaker.
Are you ready for it?
SPEAKER_00 (32:26):
Let me see.
What you got?
SPEAKER_02 (32:28):
You're going to laugh at me because I'm old.
You know, I'm 42.
SPEAKER_00 (32:31):
I like to see.
So
SPEAKER_02 (32:32):
these are the heels.
SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
Heels.
SPEAKER_00 (32:37):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (32:38):
So they make my legs look all pretty, you know?
Yeah.
These
SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
would be mines.
These are the pigeon SBs.
SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
I love it.
I have these are$30.
I have no money right now, so Ican't even buy myself sneakers.
I think my nicest pair areSkechers.
But you need to look into theheel.
And oh my gosh, all my women myage love them.
They're comfortable.
They're heels.
Oh boy, if you find some, sendme some pairs.
SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
Gotcha.
I need a little bigger store.
We're all sneakers in here, butwe'll get there as well.
SPEAKER_02 (33:08):
I do love any kind of a shoe, so you're welcome to
send any tennis shoes too aswell.
SPEAKER_00 (33:12):
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_02 (33:13):
Make sure it's red and black
SPEAKER_00 (33:14):
for my logo.
Red and black.
Home family cord.
I like that a lot.
That's exactly what I'm pushingfor as well.
SPEAKER_02 (33:21):
Well, we, and I've also tried to get some
merchandise, but it wouldn't, noone was really caring about it
until now, but I have some coolhoodies and stuff that I've
designed.
SPEAKER_00 (33:29):
That's fire.
Let me help these customers.
I got three people waiting onus.
SPEAKER_02 (33:34):
I'll talk to you later.
SPEAKER_00 (33:34):
Thank you very much for the call.
I'll see you.
Any questions, let me know.
SPEAKER_02 (33:38):
All right.
Talk to
SPEAKER_00 (33:39):
you later.
Bye.
SPEAKER_02 (33:40):
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He exposed something that I havenever heard of, and I have heard
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Today, I'm sitting down with afather that's been battling
family court and he realized thesystem is broken and corrupt.
We're speaking with Keevork.
You might know him if you're inthe sneaker world.
He's been in retail since 2021,but today we're not talking
about sneakers.
We're talking about what'shappening his story.
And like many of you listening,he's had to learn the system is
broken.
(01:04):
It's working exactly how it'sdesigned.
Let's get to it.
We're here with Corvik.
Welcome.
Welcome.
Welcome.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Hello.
Hello.
Thanks for having us.
SPEAKER_02 (01:13):
What is your Instagram?
What are you?
What is you?
What are you?
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Me?
I sell shoes.
That's what I am.
My name is Kvork Kiwanian.
I sell shoes.
SPEAKER_02 (01:23):
That's
SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
awesome.
I'm the CEO of My SneakerPalace.
Got all types of shoes.
And So in a little
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
bit, I'm going to ask you if you have these type
of shoes there.
So people keep listening andwait to see what kind of shoes.
I'm going to ask him to see ifhe has them.
I don't think he does.
SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
Let's do it.
We'll see what we got.
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
Okay.
Well, I'm glad to have you here.
And I'm so happy to see people,business owners come in and go
through the same thing thatwe're all experiencing.
And so that's your work is yoursneakers, correct?
But you've also experienced thefamily court corruption and the
pain in that.
So tell me a little bit aboutjust like a basic, when did you
(02:05):
realize family court was notprotecting our children?
UNKNOWN (02:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
the moment they read that corrupted verdict against
me where it was all turned 180without explanation whatsoever.
And the kids being completelygone 3,000 miles away to
California while we lived in thestate of New Jersey.
SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
And so they just took your kids away and they
were allowed to go from NewJersey to all the way to
California with their parent,with the mother?
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Well, in other words, it started off with going
to vacation Mm-hmm.
(03:07):
And I filed for divorce aftershe blocked me.
I filed for divorce and to havethe children seek to be returned
back to the state of New Jersey.
An amazing judge named JudgeJames Jimmy Guida was awesome.
Great judge.
SPEAKER_02 (03:23):
Is this a New Jersey judge?
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
Correct.
Bergen County.
Great judge.
He was awesome.
As soon as he took the case, hewas seeing it right through the
bullshit.
And he ordered for the kids tobe returned back to the state of
New Jersey after denying.
like half of the business, thisand that.
They were going aftereverything, basically.
So in other words, on February22nd, 2022, Judge James Jimmy
(03:49):
got up, put in an order sayingthe kids must be returned back
to the state of New Jersey byMarch 23rd, 2022, which under
the circumstances, I had to geta two year paid off, like two
bedroom or a single family homefor her to stay like for free.
So she could come back becauseshe was claiming she didn't have
(04:09):
the funds to support herself.
And the reason why she notreturning is because she's
staying at her parents' houserent free.
and that the parents werehelping her with the kids.
Now, I'm over here looking witha real estate agent a place for
her to stay.
March 22nd comes around.
An order to show cause has beenput in place saying the reason
(04:32):
why she's not returning back tothe state of New Jersey tomorrow
with the children is becauseshe's scared for her life and
that I was abusing her everysingle day.
Now, this is happening with allthe brand new attorneys.
So...
So basically...
SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
We
SPEAKER_00 (04:51):
can pause it
SPEAKER_02 (04:52):
if you want.
SPEAKER_00 (04:53):
No, it's okay.
We have like two minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
So tell me what was it like before you guys got
involved with it?
How were you as a father?
Were you both involved parents?
What was it like before you gotinto family court?
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
It was just regular couple.
Basically, I go to work.
She stay at home mom with thekids.
Everything was just fine.
It just came out of nowhere.
The whole situation is just hitout of nowhere.
Moves quick, stuff like that.
Maybe she wasn't happy with themarriage any longer or she was
missing her family over there.
Whatever the case could havebeen.
(05:25):
So once you have kids, it's allabout the kids, not about me or
you at this point.
And she just...
So the Judge James Jimmy got herand said, I'm not buying this.
We've been going back and forthto court for a whole year.
We basically wanted the soul outof this guy while keeping his
kids 3,000 miles away.
And now you're telling me this.
(05:46):
However, we're going tobasically appoint Dr.
David Gomberg into the case.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
Who's Dr.
David Gomberg?
Who's that?
SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
Super smart, intelligent person that I ended
up meeting through the court.
He's a psychiatrist that's likewell known in Connecticut, New
York and New Jersey.
Well, very well respected aswell.
I mean, you could tell the manis all there.
You know what I mean?
When you have a conversationwith him.
And
SPEAKER_02 (06:11):
you're getting him involved.
SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
The judge gets him involved.
They refused.
to hire him because we weresupposed to hire him jointly.
I was supposed to put 15 grandin an account.
She was supposed to put 15 grandin an account because he's not a
biased person.
It's basically all about thechildren and that's what he's
known for.
And he doesn't even take all thecases that whoever wants to hire
him.
So if he feels like, hey.
SPEAKER_02 (06:33):
Wait a second.
$15,000 each?
You have to put it in an accountfor
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
him?
There was something above thoselines.
You know what I mean?
From what I remember.
Because it's like a nine-month.
He had to fly out to California.
He had to do an investigationthere.
There was so much going on overhere.
The number was up.
It wasn't a low numberwhatsoever.
They refused.
They basically said.
Who's they?
(06:57):
My attorney, defense, and myex-wife, yeah, saying we're
going to hire our own, eventhough Judge James Jimmy got it
said, I'm still going to dowhatever Gombrich says, which
doesn't make any sense.
First, you didn't have thefunds.
Now you want to hire your ownperson instead of just the
judge.
You know what I mean?
You don't go against the judge.
So...
(07:17):
They hired somebody else.
They did a nine-monthinvestigation.
Dr.
David Gomberg.
He did it?
SPEAKER_01 (07:24):
Did he end up doing it?
SPEAKER_00 (07:25):
Yeah, he did it.
He took my case in.
After the nine-monthinvestigation, he, like, put a
capital letter saying, this iskidnapping.
Kids must be returned back tothe state of New Jersey
immediately for the bestinterest of the children.
You can't just keep the kids3,000 miles away from their
father for no reason.
SPEAKER_02 (07:42):
Right.
I've
SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
never been in trouble, never been arrested,
never just straight business.
You know, what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (07:47):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
So...
4-27-2023 Intensive SettlementConference gets into place,
which Dr.
David Gomberg started talking tothe judge at 12 o'clock because
Judge James Jimmy Guida wantedto speak to him.
And he basically put in an ordersaying...
SPEAKER_02 (08:06):
Who put the order in your judge in New Jersey?
SPEAKER_00 (08:09):
Yeah, in New Jersey, again, Bergen County.
So he backed to the same thingas to what happened.
SPEAKER_02 (08:14):
So after you had this report come out, the
doctor, the psychiatrist said,nope, this is kidnapping.
You can't take children 3,000miles away.
The judge comes in and sayswhat?
SPEAKER_00 (08:26):
Goes back to careful.
You got 10 minutes to put 40grand in your attorney's account
so you could have two years ofstay.
Now...
SPEAKER_02 (08:33):
Wait, wait.
So he said that he wanted youguys to stay, meaning everything
to stay put, meaning she canstay in California and you
can...
Right?
What do you
SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
mean?
No, he basically just went backto what happened in February of
2022 where I had 10 minutesbreak room to go put 40 grand
into my attorney's account.
So she could have the two yearsof free stay.
He went back to before theallegations of the assault
because there was no assault.
So he's like, we're going backto it.
The kids are coming back.
(09:01):
Put$40,000 in your attorney'saccount so she could have two
years of stay.
And that's it.
So when we came back from thebreak room, the defense goes,
we'll give him$40,000 for him tomove to California for 50-50
custody.
And I said, absolutely not.
I have so much going on here tobegin with.
It's so much easier for me justto give her the$40,000 like the
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judge asked to begin with.
She claims she works 15 hours aweek at a dental assistant to
answer phone calls.
We got a lot of dentalassistants around here, too,
where...
SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
And you have your business there and
SPEAKER_00 (09:33):
stuff.
Correct.
Yeah, business, house, it'sjust...
Always been a Jersey guy
SPEAKER_02 (09:38):
to live as well.
Right.
And the kids used to go toschool there.
No
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
school.
They were just so young.
Yeah.
My son was January.
So he was like three months old.
My daughter was two years oldwhen all this was happening.
And are they
SPEAKER_02 (09:51):
in school now?
SPEAKER_00 (09:52):
Yeah.
Over there, though, inCalifornia.
SPEAKER_02 (09:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
Second grade.
My daughter started.
And that happens.
So judge goes, you know what,Kev, just save your money.
Trial starts first week ofSeptember.
No biased.
circumstances for the kids stillstaying in california until the
trial is fully concluded saveyour 40 grand i'm like a few
months away 40 grand hell yeahi'll save it you know what i
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mean so july comes around judgejames jimmy guider retires then
right before trial date soseptember 18th
SPEAKER_02 (10:28):
retires right before your trial
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
trial Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (10:32):
Did you know that was happening?
I
SPEAKER_00 (10:33):
didn't.
When they
SPEAKER_02 (10:36):
scheduled you, did they say, oh, just so you know,
he's retiring?
No?
No.
Okay, sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (10:43):
I was just notified, hey, the judge on the case has
been retiring in July.
There'll be a brand new judgeassigned to the case taking the
trial, not knowing anythingabout the case for the past
three years that's been goingback and forth.
Okay, I mean, in my mind, Istill got Gombrich's report.
Well, and you still have
SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
trial coming up and you have an attorney ready.
So you have all your stuffready.
So, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
Yeah.
September 18th, 2023.
Dr.
David Gomberg is first becausehe was my witness.
You could tell once he was goingin, Julie Kim had no doubts that
the kids were coming back.
The new judge's name was JudgeJulie Kim.
She was a great woman as well.
I have no complaints about her.
She was very nice.
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She was straightforward.
She was fair enough.
She did unite my family afterGombrich testified.
I went on the September 19th andshe ordered for the kids to be
in the state of New Jersey forbasically October, Halloween.
I get to spend my son'sbirthday.
He was born on November firstfor the first time and yeah and
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then their fourth sibling wasborn so i moved on with somebody
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
not your fourth not yours
SPEAKER_00 (11:55):
my my i have four in total two from my ex-wife and
two just moved on right afterthat
SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
okay
SPEAKER_00 (12:03):
We have, now we're four.
We're all chilling.
They had to go back because Ihad them for Christmas of the
year before.
It was her turn to have them,which was fine.
Then January 25th was the lasttrial day to where it left off.
You could tell the whole timewe're winning, of course.
It's very simple how it was soeasy that they were bullshitting
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the whole time.
And...
We left off.
We left January 25th that thekids weren't going back to
California.
That's where we stopped.
So at this point, were
SPEAKER_02 (12:36):
the kids in California or were they in New
Jersey?
I
SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
had them for Valentine's.
I got them back.
She was
SPEAKER_02 (12:45):
flying with the kids with all this.
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
So either I go pick them up, she brings them, or I
go get them and she...
SPEAKER_02 (12:51):
So you fly out there, pick them up, and then
fly back.
SPEAKER_00 (12:54):
Fly back, same day, the same.
It's a lot of hassle, you knowwhat I mean?
Now, I had the kids.
There was no order for them togo back.
They were in the state of NewJersey.
The last thing she said was Iwill read the final.
We'll have the final JOD beforeMarch 31st, which March 31st of
2024 was Easter.
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I'm like, all right, take yourtime.
I don't care when you read it.
You know what I mean?
What do you mean read
SPEAKER_02 (13:20):
it?
Read the order?
SPEAKER_00 (13:21):
Yeah, read the JOD, the final verdict.
SPEAKER_02 (13:23):
But she hadn't read it yet.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
No, she hadn't read it yet.
But you knew it
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
said that they had to stay in New Jersey, the
SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
children.
Yeah, from what we left onJanuary 25th, there was no order
in place saying that I have toreturn the kids on March 31st,
which was Easter.
Last I know that we'll have thefinal verdict.
There's no calf taking the kidsback.
We left the court flying as wewon.
I'm like celebrating and allthis.
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It was so obvious.
There's
SPEAKER_02 (13:49):
no actual order.
And when you left, but thenthere was one and she said she
hasn't read it yet.
Correct?
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
Yeah.
So basically I have the kidsJanuary.
I mean, March 30th comes around.
My own attorney calls me saying,I see an order in place here.
have to return the kids tomorrowon March 31st.
I'm like, what?
There was never an order inplace when we were in court
saying I've got to return thekids on March.
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The only thing she said wasshe's going to have the verdict
by March 31st, implying thatthose kids weren't going back
because she didn't tell me totake them back.
SPEAKER_02 (14:23):
Well, but if Kay says she's going to have a
verdict, that means her decisionwill come out then.
SPEAKER_00 (14:27):
Yeah, but you could tell the whole time.
She united us in October,November.
She didn't care about the factthat the mother kept saying, oh,
they're going to school.
She's like, you're talking abouta first grade.
They're not in high school.
You know what I mean?
She was ripping the mother thewhole time.
Okay, so
SPEAKER_02 (14:41):
then your attorney calls you and says, you got to
return the kids because theorder came.
SPEAKER_00 (14:45):
Yeah, I'm like, what?
He's like...
I was like, you telling me thistoday that I got to return the
kids tomorrow while there wasnever something like that in
place?
Because number one, if that wasthe case, I would have bought
the tickets.
I'm not going to leave it forthe last day.
Number two, that never tookplace.
Call and find out what's goingon.
Like, why is there?
I'm like bugging out.
And plus, the same judge thatunited me with my kids wants me
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to fly on Easter day, not bewith my other family.
I celebrate Easter.
You know what I mean?
It's a huge holiday for us.
You want me to leave in themorning, forget the other two
kids, my whole family.
family, my parents and everybodyelse.
What judge is going to put anorder like that after uniting
the family?
I said, there's something wrong.
There's a foul play.
Something's not adding up.
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He's like, I don't know.
I was like, I'm not returningthe kids on Easter.
I'm going to enjoy my Easterwith the kids.
And plus, it was my turn becauseshe had them the year before to
begin with.
So none of this is adding up.
He said, you don't take themback.
You're going to get arrested.
I'm like, fuck it.
We'll get arrested.
You know what I mean?
If that it is.
As long as I get to spend myEaster with my kids because I
know something is happening.
You know what I mean?
That's not what happened when wewere there.
That was never the situationbecause that being said, when I
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was there on January 25th, JudgeJulie Kim's court clerk
obviously was watching the wholething going on.
When he was walking towards thebathroom, he just, like, looked
at me.
He's like, you know you won,right?
I was like, yeah, it wasobvious.
You know what I mean?
Your attorney
SPEAKER_01 (16:05):
said that, right?
SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
No, no, no.
Judge Julie Kim's court clerk.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
Oh.
SPEAKER_00 (16:10):
Yeah, he's like, you know you won, right?
We don't believe anything shesays.
He's walking to the bathroom.
I was sitting outside.
I was like, yeah, it's obvious.
I said, the other judge,Kahnberg, like, the reports are
all there.
So I'm just...
Very comfortable, you know whatI mean?
There's no questions, there's nodoubts in my mind whatsoever.
Nobody could do that.
Nobody could just take the kids3,000 miles away or shouldn't be
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able to take the kids 3,000,unless I'm an unfit parent.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Like, it could be a drug addict,alcoholic, none of that.
There's none of those above,never been arrested.
Nothing changed between that onemonth for you to go 180 against
me.
SPEAKER_02 (16:47):
Okay, so what happened?
Get to the main potatoes of it.
What
SPEAKER_00 (16:50):
happened?
ticket.
I got scared.
He kept on calling me on Easter.
I returned the kids April 1st.
I was like, it is what it is.
You got to give me some answers.
We got to figure out what'sgoing on.
I'm not trying to go to jail.
He said, let's wait for thefinal verdict.
April 24th comes around.
He's like, he calls me.
He's like, we have court today.
I'm like, well, I can't make itbecause I'm in Florida.
I have a little chicken store inFlorida, in Tampa, Florida, and
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I'm running.
I had to be here.
Can you tell them to rearrange?
Because I can't just make itthere.
He's like, oh, no, don't worry.
This one's going to be on Zoom.
I'm like, this one's going to beon Zoom.
Every single court case was inperson.
The most important court casethat they're going to read the
final verdict is going to be onZoom.
That's strike number two.
SPEAKER_02 (17:31):
Well, if you're just reading it, it could be on Zoom
because all you do is show upand you read and you leave.
You don't get to do anythingwith that.
SPEAKER_00 (17:38):
To me, I was already feeling something, you know what
I mean?
Oh,
SPEAKER_02 (17:40):
I know.
You're feeling it in your gut.
SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
I'm already feeling it in my gut.
You're telling me the last day,you know what I mean?
You're sniffing some stuff goingon here.
I'm reading it.
I'm feeling it.
It's gut feeling that you get,like you said.
SPEAKER_02 (17:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:54):
We get on a call.
A Zoom call starts.
Basically, the same judge whounited the family that was with
the whole time, ripping them,right off saying all previous
orders from previous judges havebeen uplifted and the kids are
now permanently Californiaresidents.
I turned yellow.
Wait, say that again.
You
SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
talked really fast.
SPEAKER_00 (18:14):
Basically, previous order from previous judge, which
was Judge James Jimmy Guida, hasbeen uplifted, like none of the
whatever he said matters, andthe kids are now permanently
California residents.
Where the hell did this comefrom?
Not only that, my spring breakshave been taken away from me.
Christmas breaks, it went from,we had it to where the moment
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they're done with school, I'llhave them until the day before
they start school, which wasthree weeks.
Somebody removed those orders,made it from December 21st till
December 26th.
I'm like, yeah, what a smartjudge.
Can't even play with yourChristmas toys?
2050, open your Christmas toys.
26th morning, we're going to geton a flight?
SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
Right,
SPEAKER_00 (18:55):
right.
Who is this?
It's a day there and a day back,so...
After not seeing them for 180days, you want me to have them
for three days?
And then holiday season?
Who removed all these ordersthat was in place?
Everything has been removed.
Nobody's explaining me nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (19:11):
What did your attorney say?
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
He's the one who sold me out.
SPEAKER_02 (19:17):
Ooh.
It all goes down to theattorneys.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Well, this is how it all worked out.
This is where the most highlightof the part starts.
So they read this on me on4-27-2023.
Right?
And the first Saturday, which ison 4-27-2023, guess who shows up
to my store?
The same store I'm talking toyou with.
Judge Julie Kim's court clerk.
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At the door.
My whole family is in here.
I'm pitched yellow just likethis.
Everyone's trying to make mefeel better.
The door opens up because I havetwo doors.
The first door opens up.
I always greet people just likebefore when somebody walked in.
The second door opens up.
I'm like to my employees, myfamily, get him.
He's the one who sold our kids.
You know what I mean?
He opens the door screaming inhere.
(20:02):
Get rid of your fucking attorneyright now.
I know who sold your kids.
I know what judge got paid off.
The whole situation.
It's like I need to speak to youin private.
It's Saturday.
It's Packwood store.
I'm like, what the fuck is goingon?
Brought him around the showcase.
This is all on video.
Brought him to the showcase,took him to the back room of the
store, tells me the whole storyfor 18 minutes.
He's like, I haven't slept forthree days.
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And this is the lady.
I don't even know what she lookslike.
Obviously, I had to search herup.
The person responsible.
SPEAKER_02 (20:31):
I saw your website.
SPEAKER_00 (20:32):
Correct.
So it was her.
She had no reason to enter her.
So basically, what he told mewas just like insane.
In the back room, how Julie Kimwas arguing with Mecca.
Mecca was saying, who's the bosshere?
I'm the boss here.
He got involved saying, youcan't do this.
Like, we know she's lying.
Like, it was he said it wasturned into like a complete.
(20:54):
political war shit show,whatever that means.
I don't know.
What has that had to do withkids or like my situation?
So
SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
you have a video of him, the clerk, walking with you
around?
Oh my gosh.
Can we pop it in?
I would love to pop it in.
That would be great.
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
My attorney needs that.
My attorney's approval because Ihad the prosecutor's office has
also asked for the video wherewe're holding it until it goes
to in front of the right judge.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (21:18):
We'll show it one day.
I'll go right here.
SPEAKER_00 (21:19):
Yeah.
Dave Weigel seen it.
Roots, like...
Okay, Dave seen it.
I've left...
Yeah, I've let people watch it,whoever needs to watch it, you
know what I mean?
But that replay for it to go topublic has to be in front of
like a federal judge orsomething before.
I also have to.
SPEAKER_02 (21:34):
It's funny because I have a video as well of my ex's
now wife plotting with a policeofficer.
I don't know if you've seen thatvideo.
She's plotting with a policeofficer because she used to be a
police officer and they'reliterally, it's a 45 minute cop
video and they're trying tofigure out a way to get me
arrested so she can take mytwins and call them her own.
And we, she's, we, they wouldn'tlet me do anything with this
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video for years because it wasunder, you know, it's
investigation.
And, um, and so finally, I thinkit was five years later, they
finally got to, I finally gotit, got to talk about it.
And I sent it to the policestation, the detectives, and I
filed a report against thepolice officer that did that.
And, um, so that, but it wascrazy because they kept this
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video forever and I couldn'ttalk about it because under
investigation, well, no one didanything.
So just be careful.
SPEAKER_00 (22:23):
God.
Yeah.
I'm,
SPEAKER_02 (22:24):
but now you should go watch that video because it's
the
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
same thing yeah where the
SPEAKER_02 (22:29):
police police were helping this woman steal my
children and call them her ownbecause she just wanted me in
jail because she wanted my kids
SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
Doesn't work that way.
But you have
SPEAKER_02 (22:38):
a judge with a clerk that's coming out.
SPEAKER_00 (22:41):
Yeah.
The clerk
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
lose
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
their job?
Well, 831.
Yeah.
The last thing he said is like,I can't fucking do this.
He's like, I'd rather just keepon selling cars.
I don't know what he's doingnow.
I know his last day when I spoketo him, he said it was 831-2024.
And everything was awkward inthere at this point because me,
I called all the attorneys inour area.
I made a group chat with almost100 police officers because I
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serve a lot of police officersI'm open to the public people
come in here all the time okayso
SPEAKER_02 (23:11):
I want to do kind of a rundown of your whole story so
that people can reallyunderstand what's happening here
because you just blew my mindyeah okay you have your children
go through divorce you have lotsof courts pay a lot of money for
a psychiatrist he says keep thechildren in New Jersey the kids
are going back and forth foryears you got some time with
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them and then all of a suddenyou go to trial with a brand new
judge your old judge that youknew the truth, retired, but you
thought, okay, it's fine.
I'm going to do trial.
Even the clerk during trialstated that you're going to be
fine.
They see the truth.
Great.
You feel great.
And then out of nowhere, there'sthis, all of a sudden, this
meeting, this court hearing onZoom and you're in Florida and
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you can't, it's all on Zoom.
But then all of a sudden theyread off everything that you
thought was wrong and gone.
And your kids were gone.
They're residents of California.
And then you lost all yourholiday and your time and And
the calendar is so bad that youcan't even utilize your holidays
because it's not enough timeframe to go back and forth and
fly.
SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
Correct.
And then
SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
you're at home or you're at your work and all of a
sudden you're just that coloryellow and this person goes in
the front door and yells?
SPEAKER_00 (24:24):
427.
And you, 427 in 2024?
SPEAKER_02 (24:26):
24.
And you
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
then go
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
outside and you have a recording of this clerk
telling you how this judge waspaid under the table.
to get the other, you're, oh myword.
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Yes, ma'am.
18 minutes and 29 seconds.
I have the whole video in theback room.
Now, not only that, so now Ihire the best attorney there is
in New Jersey.
I look up, of course, we needsomebody very powerful now
outside the county.
At this point, I know what'sgoing on.
It has to be different powers ofcounties at this point.
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And now they want all thetranscripts, right?
The new attorney wants to seeall the transcripts and see
what's going on.
Somehow, the IntensiveSettlement Conference from
4-27-20-23 has been completelymissing.
Oh, darn.
Deleted.
Deleted.
There's no video of court.
There's no transcripts of thecourt.
(25:24):
Not only that, I have the wholeorder from Judge James Gimigata,
which I'm going to show on thescreen at this moment.
And it says that there'sabsolutely no trace of of me
being in court that day.
So I don't know if he's able toread this.
I'll read it out.
Good morning.
Please see attached.
Here's what I see in the courtsmart on this date.
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The case you are looking forisn't listed on the lock sheet.
I also attached a copy of whatcomes up when I type in the
docket number.
Please review and confirm thedate needed.
I already know my name like myname was that day.
Here is the order.
SPEAKER_02 (26:03):
Email me a screenshot of that.
I'll pop it on.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
Yeah.
It shows you right here.
427.
I'll pop it
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
on video.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:10):
427, 2023.
That's Judge James Jimmy Gaitas.
He was an awesome judge, whichwas signed by him.
Now, mind you, the corruptedattorney that sold me out, our
court date was on 427, 2023.
These are his invoices.
He put 426, 2023, attendhearing.
I'm like, you need to changethat.
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It was on 427 and it wasintensive settlement conference.
He refuses to change it.
So now, then after that here isthe complete court emails
indicating that we were neverthere yeah we were there on 4 27
dr david gomberg went on at 12o'clock so now since there's no
transcripts there should be avideo surveillance here's the
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judge's signature from that daynow if you look up every so in
this paper right here it showsyou every single family the
judge seen that day okay and inthe bottom at 11 11 my last name
is not there where we started at11 30 from 11 30 to 1 So they
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went in,
SPEAKER_02 (27:18):
deleted the transcript, deleted any evidence
that's in the court, but youhave emails to prove it
happened.
You also have proof that yourlawyer was there, correct?
UNKNOWN (27:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:28):
None to mention, you probably have a picture or
something.
SPEAKER_00 (27:30):
But they're like
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
saying, nope, if it's erased in the system, it
didn't happen.
SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
It just says you weren't even on the lock sheet
that day that you saw thatjudge.
Somehow, you got wings and flewout of those courtrooms while I
SPEAKER_02 (27:44):
know I was there.
And you were just a ghost therewitnessing it.
UNKNOWN (27:47):
I...
SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
Not just witnessing it.
I have.
SPEAKER_02 (27:50):
And you
SPEAKER_00 (27:51):
have proof you were there.
Right.
Yeah.
Complete proof from.
SPEAKER_02 (27:54):
They're making it.
They want to make it look likethat you are making this up.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
I don't think they realized I was going to go ahead
and start digging.
SPEAKER_02 (28:00):
Right.
And that's what they don't.
They don't think people are.
And that is one time.
One reason I've been speakingout so loudly because I was so
horribly upset, like youprobably were, that you can't
even think about why your rightswere taken away sometimes
because you're so upset.
They're children.
Your children are gone, right?
And so that's one thingbecoming, doing what I've
(28:23):
started doing.
I'm getting stronger.
People are getting stronger.
The more you speak out, you getstronger.
Then all of a sudden yourealize, wait a second, I got to
go dig.
And they don't like it.
They don't think you're going todo it.
They think you're just going tocower down and be upset.
Oh, heck no.
They're not.
And that's what the wrong dadand the wrong mom.
SPEAKER_00 (28:39):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (28:40):
Yes.
And I think that is what'shelping us getting loud and
people coming out more is peopleare realizing, wait a second,
this is not just happening tome.
This is happening everywhere.
Have you experienced anyonefinally now that you're kind of,
have you gotten pretty loudonline doing this besides that
website telling about it?
SPEAKER_00 (28:57):
Oh, yeah.
I had a protest outside of Route17, which was the heart of
Bergen County.
We had the whole highway shutdown.
I mean, you
SPEAKER_02 (29:03):
got a shirt on right
SPEAKER_00 (29:04):
now.
I had people, a shirt on.
I have 600 shirts made that isgoing to be given out for on
September 7th, 8th, 9th, whoeverjoins me.
SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
When does this judge get reelected?
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
She's the presiding judge.
So,
SPEAKER_02 (29:18):
Ours, like my judge, it's horrible.
His next time is next year, soI'm going to start doing a
campaign so everyone can get himout.
So yours is like voted in oryours is signed?
SPEAKER_00 (29:29):
I have no idea.
SPEAKER_02 (29:30):
Well, look it up.
I
SPEAKER_00 (29:31):
did.
I looked it up.
Somebody named Governor Christieis the one who appointed her to
the bench.
SPEAKER_02 (29:37):
They're appointed.
And they don't have to run forelections then?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (29:40):
2015.
Basically too deeply rooted, inother words.
I've seen
SPEAKER_02 (29:47):
judges get put in.
They're supposed to be electedin, but then they got put in,
and then all of a sudden, theydidn't really campaign, but
they're in.
That happened in Texas, I found.
So, what would you tell anyparent right now that might be
going into family court, hurtingin family court?
What's one thing of advice thatyou would share that this could
(30:09):
happen to anybody?
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
One thing I learned is record everything that's
going on in there.
Record everything that's goingon, because my transcripts have
and tampered with.
There was never an order sayingI had to return the kids on
Easter.
So you're telling me a judgetold me I had to return the kids
on Easter and I sat there andsaid, sure, I'll ruin my Easter,
ma'am, and I'll return my kids.
(30:30):
No, I would have fought that.
You know what I mean?
And no judge in a right mindshould do that because it's
supposed to be 50-50 balance.
Why would I ruin your Easterwith your kids when it's a
holiday?
Do I want you to travel 3,000miles back and forth?
And what about your otherchildren and your wife or your
your family, you know, as ajudge that shouldn't be allowed
(30:51):
to begin with.
SPEAKER_02 (30:53):
Right.
So, so I guess my point of thisis when people start this
process, you can say, I'm agreat father.
I'm a great mother.
There's nothing that I've donewrong.
I have no backbone, but this canhappen to anybody,
SPEAKER_00 (31:04):
anybody,
SPEAKER_02 (31:04):
anybody,
SPEAKER_00 (31:05):
anybody.
And
SPEAKER_02 (31:06):
what would you tell somebody that?
How would you tell them?
Look, this is not just oneperson's story.
SPEAKER_00 (31:11):
To anybody.
You got to watch the attorney.
You hire number one.
SPEAKER_02 (31:15):
Yes.
I
SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
learned from me because if it wasn't, Where the
corrupted judge comes thecorrupted attorney.
SPEAKER_02 (31:21):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
You know what I mean?
So if it wasn't for my ownattorney that turned his back on
me, Jane Galena Mecca wouldn'thave been able to do what she
did because...
SPEAKER_02 (31:31):
And not everybody has a clerk doing what they did.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Correct.
That's very rare.
Correct.
I mean, I have a lot offollowers.
It turns out to be somebody thatthey know.
We serve.
I've been selling shoes since2001 in this area.
So that's...
24 years of selling sneakers.
My parents own sneaker stores.
My brothers own sneaker stores.
SPEAKER_02 (31:52):
Not everybody has that.
But so are you saying thatbecause you've been loud and out
there too, that would probablyhelp?
SPEAKER_00 (31:58):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (31:59):
Help the fact that they're like, wait, I know this
guy.
SPEAKER_00 (32:01):
Yeah.
I know this guy.
I don't, I can't believe theydid this to this guy.
You know what I mean?
Out of anybody.
They didn't think they'll, theyprobably just thought, Hey, just
get them.
We got paid.
Yeah.
He'll be upset.
He'll get over it.
Not knowing that it's onlygetting the wrong
SPEAKER_02 (32:16):
one.
SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
It's getting deeper and deeper.
All
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
right.
So thank you for coming on theshow.
I wanted to show you my favoritesneaker.
Are you ready for it?
SPEAKER_00 (32:26):
Let me see.
What you got?
SPEAKER_02 (32:28):
You're going to laugh at me because I'm old.
You know, I'm 42.
SPEAKER_00 (32:31):
I like to see.
So
SPEAKER_02 (32:32):
these are the heels.
SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
Heels.
SPEAKER_00 (32:37):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (32:38):
So they make my legs look all pretty, you know?
Yeah.
These
SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
would be mines.
These are the pigeon SBs.
SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
I love it.
I have these are$30.
I have no money right now, so Ican't even buy myself sneakers.
I think my nicest pair areSkechers.
But you need to look into theheel.
And oh my gosh, all my women myage love them.
They're comfortable.
They're heels.
Oh boy, if you find some, sendme some pairs.
SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
Gotcha.
I need a little bigger store.
We're all sneakers in here, butwe'll get there as well.
SPEAKER_02 (33:08):
I do love any kind of a shoe, so you're welcome to
send any tennis shoes too aswell.
SPEAKER_00 (33:12):
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_02 (33:13):
Make sure it's red and black
SPEAKER_00 (33:14):
for my logo.
Red and black.
Home family cord.
I like that a lot.
That's exactly what I'm pushingfor as well.
SPEAKER_02 (33:21):
Well, we, and I've also tried to get some
merchandise, but it wouldn't, noone was really caring about it
until now, but I have some coolhoodies and stuff that I've
designed.
SPEAKER_00 (33:29):
That's fire.
Let me help these customers.
I got three people waiting onus.
SPEAKER_02 (33:34):
I'll talk to you later.
SPEAKER_00 (33:34):
Thank you very much for the call.
I'll see you.
Any questions, let me know.
SPEAKER_02 (33:38):
All right.
Talk to
SPEAKER_00 (33:39):
you later.
Bye.
SPEAKER_02 (33:40):
Thank you for listening to the stand with Meg
show.
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