Roberto Guinar’s Dolls: Herencia Diabolica (1993) + Demond Doll (Muerte Infernal) (1987) w/ Hack.em Figures (Jesse Diaz)

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I make them laugh
Hello everybody, thank you for joining us here on the trash mix podcast episode 5. What's this episode called join?

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So I had a couple ideas that I sent you
The the Latins community might get mad at us on for this one, but I came up with the brown devil dolls from hell
But I don't know
But we might just
Tone it down a little bit and do something like
Robert do you not in his dolls or something?

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Thank you for joining us on this podcast tonight or today whatever whatever time you're listening and today
We're actually gonna have a guest again this time. It's Joey's brother for those who don't know
Joey's brother his name is Jesse. He goes by hack and figures on YouTube
Say hello Jesse. Hi. What's up guys? What exactly do you do on hack and figures?

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I
Do reviews on and unboxing on action figures my collection stuff that I get
things that I think it's cool that people should see so and
And yeah, so a lot of so fooby and a lot of
Oh collecting to
How long do you think for like I would say okay, so I'm 38 so I would say since high school like it's 14 15

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It's been at least 20. Yeah, so like recently I've been doing like the more designer so fooby stuff for the last like five six
Years, that's what I mainly collects and that's what I like to put out because there's some co-orders out there
Yeah, for those that are wondering why do we have this toy guy here on the challenge the podcast?
Yeah, it's cuz we're gonna actually talk about two movies involving toys or dolls that is
Yeah killer dolls to be specific

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One's a clown doll the other ones like a ventriloquist doll and I figured hey, you know Jesse should talk about these dolls
He's the toy expert. He's a toy expert. Yeah, exactly. So I was like, yeah, so I gave the idea to Joey Joe was like, yeah
Let's do it. And so yeah, here we are. We're gonna talk about
Hedencia the a boleca which is from 1994 believe 1993
I have it and then the other one is one thing for now demon doll hell doll whatever you want to call it and that one is from

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1993 supposedly but it's actually from 1987. So yeah, let's break down
Yeah, let's get into it. What do we're gonna do it into the a boleca first? So as Armando said it's early 90s 1993
Technically the second release or for this sequence of episode, right?

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and it's
Directed by Alfredo Salazar who people would know as
Abel Salazar's brother, right? Yeah, and for those don't know the Salazar's are very legendary in Mexican filmmaking specifically horror
So if you know all about Mexican horror from the past 60s and 70s
The Salazar name should be familiar and Alfredo Salazar was like pretty much one of the pioneers of that and

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You know, he has you know, he has a pretty extensive
Filmography himself some some titles that I have written down here for him is a una rata en la oscuridad
el charro de los calaveras and
Anything anything of note that you think people shouldn't

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And he also did writing for some lucha movies
He did like mujeres panteras
He did a lot of writing actually a lot of golden age movies comedies too, so
Yeah, so he was the director born in 1922 and the FA
Started in the 40s as we said he's like a golden age Mexican cinema

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And you know brothers with Abel Salazar who was a huge icon
the movie stars
None other than Roberto Guinar who's quite quite the interesting character
Who is in more than Ferenal as well as directed it was in al filo de las machetes, which is a which is a pretty dope movie as well

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Also stars Lorena Herrera who was a singer actress
I'm sure anyone who's familiar with
Mexican stuff
Oh, yeah
And she was also she also did playboy under a different name
Yeah
Yeah supposedly right then she went by Barbara Ferrat there's something that

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So she says right we also have all the Ramirez and we have none other than
Margarito as far as I know Vare who was known as el actor más pequeño del mundo
Yeah, he was really tiny and supposedly supposedly in the greatest world records of this being the smallest actor
But I don't know if that's true though. I think when I looked it up. He measured like two feet seven years

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It's very small. Yeah, he was he was tired. Wow
And also has a lot Fernando who was a little boy
Played Roy in this movie funny enough about Alan Fernando. He comes out in the movie that we talked about last episode
Yeah, which yeah, oh, yeah, absolutely
I mean that was kind of that was kind of the reason why we kind of wanted to do this episode next kind of do a little bit of

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Italian and then for those who don't know now Alan Fernando he goes by Alan Fernando Velasquez or Vasquez
I believe and he does a lot of voice acting now for cartoons movies
Very popular so like most people in the in the industry you start off with horror
And then you build your way up and you say fuck or I'm never doing it again
That is in circles. Let me see if he's ever talked about like his movies

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I don't want to be associated with
So yeah, let's talk a little bit about Marguito Esparza. He was born in 1936 in Sinaloa started acting in 1953
I
Guess apparently I read that he lived in El Salvador for a little bit

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And yeah, and like was like doing acting and singing over there and then came back to Mexico and
And started, you know, basically his career all over again
And this is probably the movie that he's most well known for I would say right. Yeah, like if you look Google his name
Pictures of this movie will come up and even like him outside of the makeup like

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Mexicans have seen his face like they know this fool
Yeah, I just kind of thematically with both movies to like Mexico has a weird strange obsession with obsession with little people and clowns, right?
I mean, oh, yeah
Everywhere whether they're in the lucha libre within the telenovelas. They're in the fucking movies

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Part of like the fatty as I come to the towns. They're everywhere and then even better. They mix both of them, right?
Yeah, well, that's yeah, it's like
All right, we're gonna make a killer doll movie, but we can't afford the mechanics. What do we do?
Let's just get the little person to do play the doll
And I like kind of like they shaped the doll to look just like his body, you know

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Yeah, yeah, they did almost make him look like that. It's like a little round body
I mean, he's he's they they zoom into his face in the first
What 30 seconds of the movie you have the opening title cards and then it's like his face and
so so for those who don't know it into the abolica is

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It's broken down to just be basically being a demonic clown doll who reanimates and
kills
the women and AIDS of this household that's now part of an inheritance
In other words, it's like Chucky, but not so much like Chucky. Chucky. Yeah

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does he
How do I say this like he was like murdering or killing people that were kind of not friendly or mean to the little boy
Okay, so funny thing is in the IMDb if you read it, it's like, okay, I'm the one that actually wrote the IMDb
You're gonna say it's like it's summer
It's about a little clown doll that murders people that are cruel to him. Yeah, and that's sure enough

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It's like anybody that he's killing. It's just people that were kind of fucked up to him
Yeah, they're doing weird like throwing them in the
Lakes and throwing them in the closet. Yeah
Revenge on whoever did pretty much anybody that was mean to him. He's just killing them
It's never nobody that was they didn't deserve it
I guess you could say it's always somebody that deserve it in somewhere and it's kind of like they don't really give the back story of

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How this clown is like reanimated, right?
I mean there's like they talked about his aunt that he inherited the house with who was
Supposedly into black magic, but they there was no definitive like she put a spell on him or he was like the
Yeah, they did mention about the uncle so maybe the uncle had something to do with it. I don't know
They really
saw him in the door

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Yeah, they didn't really go into detail, but they did mention like oh, yeah, there was the uncle too, but yeah
They don't really elaborate on more of that. So I'm gonna assume it's the uncle that's possessing the doll
I don't know
The uncle's favorite toy
Since he was a kid

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And then he was afraid of him
He thought his face was evil
Well, yeah
That's how the old photo came out
When he sent my aunt, he never separated from him
As if he had wanted to return to his childhood

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He was the only companion in his madness
Poor lady, it must have suffered a lot
Hey, your aunt practiced black magic
Why do you say that?
Well, I don't know
There's a lot of things in the hotel room, like masks and satanic objects
It was one of his tricks

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As they said, he spent time invoking evil
But seeing it, you know
What's strange is that despite all this time

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It's like new
You don't believe it?
Yes
It's so weird, right?
It's really weird, I don't know
They don't say it, they really don't
Yeah, they don't, and they allude to it, but it's like
One would have to believe that it's some kind of spell, or that the aunt put on
I would guess, because she held on to this doll for so long

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And it was, I guess, even Roberto Guinard's character was basically saying
His entire childhood, the only thing that he could remember was the doll and his aunt
Yeah, and his aunt being like, yeah, into black magic and so forth
Alright, so let's start to break it down a little bit
So this movie opens up, obviously, with the doll, right?

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And then it cuts to this super cheesy ass, obviously, still shot of a New York City poster
Oh, I was going to say that
It looked like it was a poster that they filmed, because you can see the ridges of the fold
It's just like a picture of New York, yeah
It's very obviously a postcard, super low budget, needless to say
And then from there, it kind of just starts to build the story

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And kind of after he learns of his inheritance, they have these really fucking dope shots
Of the Cayenne, the Penencia, and the Efe, where they're showing a lot of old statues
And buildings, and stuff that's not even there, like that Christopher Columbus statue there
Oh yeah, that's right, yeah
They get that shit out of here
And then they cut into the movie, and then the whole film was just shot in the Casa del Lago Juan José Aureola

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Which for those who don't know, it's a cultural center for the University Unam
And then next to it is the Bosque de Chapultepec
So those are the only two places the movie set at
So it wasn't a real house then?
Not necessarily, it's just like a cultural center that the university owns
But that is primarily where the movie was shot, in and outside of the house
Because I was wondering, when I'm watching it, I'm like, man, that's a dope house

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I have like a huge lake and stuff, and I was like, man, where is this at?
Yeah, not too far from the Bosque de Chapultepec
So it's like all right in that one spot right there, so it's pretty cool
Yeah, and I think, I don't know, do you guys think, I don't think, I don't know if they shot the interiors in there though
Because it almost seems like some of the things were definitely in there
But like there's like the bedroom scenes where you're like, there's no way

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This just looks like a generic house in Mexico
Yeah, because the house was too nice on the outside
And the inside, it looked like a regular Mexican house
You notice that? Yeah, it's just 1000%
So probably not out of everything, yeah, but for sure the outside was the cultural center
And it's kind of crazy to think that they were able to shoot this type of movie there
Because like you said, it's part of the UNAM, it's like a very prestigious history
Very prestigious history and everything, yeah, it's so weird

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Like built in the beginning of the 20th century, like very old building, very beautiful architecture
Yeah, very historical building, yeah
They probably lied and said they're filming some kid thing, you know, like with the dawn stuff in it
Or a film student, I don't know
But it's just from the university, I don't know
Yeah, that main actor looks like he's like...
You talking about Roberto Guiná?
Yeah, he's so old that I'm thinking like dang

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But he just looks like, I mean he looks like any Mexican's relative
Like I feel like he looks like my Theo Lique daughter or something, right?
He just looks like a generic Mexican uncle that everyone has in their family
Which is pretty funny to think because he's also like very awkward in this movie
Like he's not really attentive to the child, he's not really attentive to his wife

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What does he do? Is he a businessman or something?
Because they didn't really say, did they?
So he was a businessman in New York
Yeah, he quits the job over there to move to the Mexico City House
And then goes back to the state to do business, that's why he leaves
Well he was leaving to like Acapulco
Yeah, so it's like he got another job as a business I guess
So that's why he was traveling on and off
And that's kind of like the first instance of where the doll comes out

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Is when he gets sent, so he finally gets a job
And you know, things are going good
He's like this terrible sex scene between him and his wife
That you can't see shit
Yeah, the music, yeah
It's so bad
They were just like hugging, right?
Well you can't really see shit
It's super hard
As soon as they hit the lights it just went dark
But you know they're moving around supposedly
And you know, the next scene is it cuts to him having to go to Acapulco for work

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And that's kind of where the story, I guess the horror part of the story starts
And then that's when the doll finally comes out
She starts hearing like starting to see the doll in different places
Like hey, why is this here?
Yeah, because they find the doll and that's when we get the backstreet of the doll
And then you know they think the doll's going to be cool for their child

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You know they're upcoming baby
But then yeah she starts getting scared because the doll's like moving around supposedly
Yeah, it's like different places
She's like cooking, she's like cooking or something
She's in the kitchen, in the stairwell
Yeah, as a kid that actually terrified him
And I mean, granted there's not a lot of suspense in them
It just happens but it's also fucking freaky
Yeah, it's weird
Yeah, especially the clown doll

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Every time I watch that movie, when I put it on I go back to when I'm like nine when I was watching
I'm like this is still kind of freaking me out
I'm 34 and I'm still getting kind of scared watching this shit
You know, trauma in Mexico man, they go hand in hand
But this is the first death is at this scene
So Annie with who's Roberto Guinard's wife

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She finally runs into this fool on the stairwell
Or outside and then she follows him up the stairwell
And then he appears on the other side
He just puts his hands up or anything
Yeah, he didn't even touch her but he just scares her, he smiles and then she falls really slow
Yeah, you know what, I actually wrote a note about that because it's like it kind of reminded me of Psycho
Not as good but it's like the chafa version, you know

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Like she's like falling back, you know
And I was like oh wow
And then he hits it with the girl
Yeah, he just starts laughing and then it's like

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Pocahontas

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seinem
That happened or not?
I can't remember.
Well, whatever they sequence, not sequencing, but whatever they edited in, it was always

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like the dream sequence or the nightmare sequence of that.
And again, that's kind of where it all sets off because she dies and now Tony has to start
his life all over again.
The baby was rescued after the fall, but his wife dies and now he's all depressed and
sad and that's when good ol' Lorena at Ena comes over.
You got an upgrade.

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Yeah, the secretary.
Yeah, you got to stop living in the past and live for today.
Yeah, she tells them that's straight up exactly what you said.
And then that's when they start dating.
You see them at the mosque at the top, chuppel to the back.
They're just hanging around.
They're like hugging and kissing, but then the little kids walking all sad.
Yeah, those things with the kid are funny because he's just like there.

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And then all of a sudden that's when they break down to the boy playing with the clown
ball and the fucking doll is walking around with him like normal.
Oh, they're playing hide and seek.
Yeah, they're like playing hide and seek and I'm like, oh, fuck.
You know, it's interesting because they play almost like Stewie and Brian and Family Guy
versus like the kid is the only one who knows that this doll is alive.

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And I guess this is where they get the whole child's play reference, which I don't know
how you guys feel about it.
But the I don't really see too much child's play other than the fact that it's a doll
and it's killing people.
And if I'm telling the blue or Roberto Guinard did say that, yeah, they were trying to like
cash in on child's play, but make it a little different.
Make it a little different, obviously.
So there is a child's play aspect to it in a way, but not so much.

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Yeah, I mean, I can I can I can see it as like maybe like he reveals himself to the kid
only first, right?
Like in there like playing and no adults don't believe him.
But that's about it, I think.
Well, I think Dolores Lorena Herrera's character.
She's the she's the only adult really outside of Annie who yeah, she starts to suspect she
doesn't really believe it at first, but she starts suspecting.

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Yeah, it's like weird things are happening, right?
Because she's like locks him in the closet and ask the maid.
Did you get blaming the maid?
So then she starts getting freaked out.
And then what happens after that?
Oh, yeah.
Then that's when she tries to mail the doll outside.
Oh, dude, speaking of that.
So I guess to the point where she's like, all right, this is getting weird.
So she tries to mail the doll outside of the country, I believe.

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So she wraps it up and everything.
She puts the white string on the box, old school style.
Old school style.
Well, I think well, hold on.
I think we skip.
I think we skipped a scene on that one because there's a scene where she she takes the doll
and tries to throw it off the.
Oh, all the way off the rock.
Right before that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What was that, a cliff or a tree or something or is like a ledge or something?
Yeah, like a little like a little cliff.

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Yeah, that overlooks like that little right into the water.
Yeah.
That's like there's so there's right before that there's a scene where the doll sneaks
into her room and it's like, oh yeah, it's either a nightmare or maybe it did really.
Yeah, we don't really know.
Maybe he's homies with the hill doll.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of similarities between this.
This doll goes up on her and starts touching her too.
Yeah, he's like he's he rapes her.

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Let me just call it a space.
Yeah, he rapes her.
And again, it's like odd slow mo with like the light switching.
It's a very crazy scene.
And then that's when she decides, fuck this, I've had enough of this fucking doll and tries
to kill it multiple times.
Didn't she like rip like kind of like rip his face open and see like stuffing was coming

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out of it.
Am I tripping?
Yeah, she's like, see, he's fake.
He's fake.
Yeah, something like that.
She does everything and eventually this doll is like, you know what, I'm just fucking
killer.
Yeah, he's like she's not being really nice.
So yeah.
So the doll comes back after he fails attempt at the getting mail out.
Oh, no, but didn't he get stolen?
Yeah.
Yeah, so that was the part she she puts them in a box and is going to ship them.

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And that's getting the sketchy guy smoking the cigarette.
That'll show up and fucking and then she's like, it's fine.
It's fine.
Yeah, I wrote that down because he was like opened it up and it was like, what is this
and throws it in the trash or that pile of trash where it was and then he gets up and
fucking fucks his ass up with the bottle of broken beer.
It's the best killer.
Oh yeah.

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All you.
Good day.
Oh, you have about a big ya gotup with several.
Be gone.
Get that girl.
Is that most official game?
Sing it will say the U. S.
No, not talking.
Or maybe our team were not good on it.

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That's why I was going to send the foreign man books.
So it's not worth it.
I suggest you don't bring the objects back
in such a place as this one, it'll help you avoid problems.
Sure, thank you very much.
See you later.

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He's dealing with a deer bottle. He goes back home.
She sees the doll with the boy again.
She tries to rip the doll apart and then the doll comes back
and he's like, yeah, I'm gonna fucking kill her.
Yeah. This is it.
And that whole scene is just like, man.
That's like the best part is near the end
is when he's already about to try to kill her.
Like the last 20 minutes?
That's like the best part of the fucking video.

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Are you doing the Michael Myers walk?
Yeah.
Well, there's two sequences where he's chasing people
and he's just slowly walking.
He told the maid.
Yeah, so he gets the maid.
Oh, yeah, he kills the maid, too.
Which she kind of had a crazy kill, too.
I feel like the death was kind of reminiscent of the omen
of the maid when she jumps out the...
Because he has telekinetic powers, too.

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You know what? I want to bring up the boy
because he's a little shithead. He could have stopped it
and he didn't.
He's just like, watch.
She's yelling at him like, help me, help me.
And he's just like smiling.
Yeah, I think at that point, the kid's just on the clown side.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think he really realizes.
I mean, he's a kid.
He just thinks that his doll is playing around.
I mean, he even said it, too.
Like, when the doll was chasing the maid Juanita out of the door,

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like, he's like, he's just playing.
Yeah, he just wants to play. Yeah, that's...
So I don't think he knew any better.
So he's just in there watching this fucking doll kill everybody.
And kill people, he does.
I mean, he gets the mom, he gets the maid,
he gets the new hyena.
Yeah, everybody does.
This movie has it all. I mean, when you think about it.

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As cheap as it is, it's like, man, this movie has everything.
It is.
Yeah, I mean, it's...
I've seen a lot of people ripping it online.
Like, if you go to Letter 5, people are just ripping this fucking movie.
Yeah, because they were expecting something very different, I think.
Especially with the Blu-ray, I think people were expecting a lot out of it.
Well, I think...
I kind of feel like that's why it's detrimental to a movie like this,

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to compare it to being child's play.
Yeah, it may have gotten inspiration from child's play,
but it's really not anything like child's play.
Yeah, because you can just blame the other movies like Dolls
or any other killer toy movies.
There's a whole bunch of them.
Yeah, you can all blame Chucky or the Chucky shit.
The fucking Dolly Deary, all that shit.
Annabelle, I'm his favorite.

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We're staring at quite a few Dolls in our recording spot right now.
There's a Chucky doll right over there.
Sam.
Annabelle.
But yeah, I mean, it's kind of unfair to this movie
to rate it and compare it to child's play,
because it has its own style, it has its own story.

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And I don't... I mean, like we said, it may have gotten inspiration,
but I don't think it was trying to imitate child's play.
Yeah, it was just trying to be something completely different.
And then for my Alfredo Salazar to top it off,
I mean, obviously Alfredo Salazar had ideas for it, you know?
Yeah, and I don't know, it just...
That was Alfredo Salazar's last movie, too, right?

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That was his last movie before he passed away.
Yeah. Man, go out with a fucking band right now.
Oh, farewell.
With a killer clone, though.
So this film, like it was shot on film?
Yeah, it was shot on 16-millimeter film.
Like a lot of those movies back in the day,
you know, those straight-to-video movies, video homes.
So, you know, they filmed it in, you know, 16-millimeter,
edited it, whatever, duped it on tape,

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and then, you know, threw away the film material,
because, you know, that's how they went.
They didn't care about the film. That's crazy, man.
Yeah, they're just like, all right, we're done. Throw it away.
Well, I think like most countries outside of the US,
people don't really weren't giving a fuck about...
Yeah, they weren't thinking about, you know, preservation.
Yeah.
Actually, movies like this.
I remember, like, going to Mexico
and, like, running these fucking movies,
like, spending summers and, like, winter times,

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like, we had these neighbors by my grandma's house
that were, like, similar to me and Cheta's age,
and we would always...
Well, they would always run movies.
That's why I remember watching, like, crazy movies like this
and, you know, King of the Kickbox
or all these crazy, like, movies
that I shouldn't have been watching at, like, age seven
or whatever, but we were still watching them.
So, I don't know. I just have memories of that.

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Yeah. Yeah, so that's like I said.
They just duped it on video and they were like,
all right, throw away the film material,
put it on video, and, yeah, you know,
it's for the home video market.
But it was on TV a lot too back in the day.
Like, when I first saw it, I was like nine.
Channel 62.
Yeah, that was, like, the channel that was showed, like,
the really gritty stuff, the cheap shit.
Oh, yeah, once one of those movies come on,
my dad changes the channel, I was like,

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yeah, I'm not watching this. There's no guns or explosions.
I'm changing it.
Yeah, so that's how I was exposed to it.
I was like, oh, my mom's watching it.
And of all people, she's just like,
yeah, I don't know, I'm just watching this movie.
I don't know.
And I'm just, like, terrified watching this shit.
I'm like, oh, this is fucking scary.
I mean, those are, like we said,
for those who aren't Mexican and didn't spend any time

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in Mexico or grow up in Mexico in the 90s,
like, it's hard to kind of state how popular clowns
and little people were.
I mean, think about it, like clowns in Mexico,
like comedians, right?
Like street comedians, you have street performers
that are juggling, jumping through fire, the circus.

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So yeah, clowns were everywhere.
Clowns are a very part of Mexican culture, for sure.
I guess where I got my clown phobia from, too.
Yeah, me, too, actually.
I remember, I'm sure you remember the story.
We were in my dad's little boy, Lito,
when we went to the circus just outside of the city there
and being a little kid and going there.

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And I don't know, someone got my attention,
so I turned around, and then when I turned back around,
a fucking clown just staring me right dead in the fucking face.
And when I tell you I got up and fucking boned out of that circus,
I got up and fucking boned out.
Yeah, we all had to leave because he was too scared.
Was it a little clown?
I'm just going to look at that.
It was straight out of that little clown house.
Straight out of like that.

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Oh, clown.
I had a very, I know, modern listeners beware.
Clown house is not a very, if you know Victor Selvett,
you know that story.
Yeah, don't watch clowns.
Yeah.
Fucking chomo over there.
But yeah, I mean, it was like, my phobia was like that
of the kid in clown house, where I was like,
deathly afraid of clowns.

(28:52):
Any since I've gotten over it.
But let me question to either one of you guys,
like was there any childhood toy or anything like that
where you were like, like loved is just like the kid loved this
little clown?
Like was there like a part Simpson plush doll or like a my
blanket or something like that?
I just liked a lot of my action figures.
Like I had all the Batman figures, you know, from the 90s.

(29:14):
The classics.
Yeah, the classics.
I guess that's.
So stuff like that.
I never really had a favorite doll per se.
It was always just like my action figures.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I don't I can't think of anything like in
particular.
I mean, I know I had like some stuff like Scooby toys and stuff
like that as a kid, but nothing that I was like my life was over

(29:37):
if I didn't get this fucking, you know, get to play with this
doll or whatever.
I do remember that.
I don't remember if it was your your toy or just we pretty
much shared everything pretty close to age or whatever.
But there was this one Ninja Turtle kind of a toy thing.
And that's his friend.
I'm sorry that I'm a fucking random.
But like, I remember playing with it, leaving it and then
hearing noises at night where it was at.

(29:59):
And I was scared shitless.
And then the morning that doll was that toy was gone.
That was a toy.
It was like kind of like gone, like moved to another
different place.
I'm like, fuck this.
And I threw that thing out because I was like, I was like,
it scared me, you know, and, you know, at that time, I was
already watching child's play and, you know, so it was
so it was possessed and it had to be.

(30:19):
I don't even remember which toy you're talking about.
It was a weird Ninja Turtle like Ninja or whatever.
So basically all of us had some kind of childhood trauma with
toys and clowns.
And that's why these movies are so, you know, successful,
at least at some level or some degree to scaring kids,
because everyone as a kid loves some kind of toy.

(30:39):
Oh, yeah, for sure.
And yeah.
I mean, so what do you think?
Because I think it was in the was it in the interview with
Robert Dugganade when he was talking or was it you that was
telling me after you interviewed him about how this movie had a
very limited theatrical release?
Is that correct or is that wrong?

(31:00):
I don't know about that.
I never heard about that.
He might have showed it at a theater, I'm assuming.
But I know it was for the home video market for sure, because
at that time they weren't really putting movies and theaters
anymore.
It was all just like straight to video or, hey, show it on TV.
You know, so he might have, I don't know.
I think he was probably in his interview where he mentioned it
on the blue.
Right.

(31:21):
Which is kind of cool to think about this movie in particular
actually hitting a theater in Mexico and wondering what kind
of reactions people would have for this.
Maybe we can hit it in theaters here someday.
Well, we might try it, but we couldn't for some reason.
But we'll try again one day.
But yeah, that would be fun to show one day.
And what do you think about the people who say that this is a

(31:42):
SOV movie?
No.
I don't know where they're getting that idea.
They're trying to adopt SOV to this just because it's
a.
What's a SOV?
I'm sorry.
Shot on video.
Shot on video.
But now this.
It's just.
It looks like it.
It could be, but it's not.
It's yeah, they shot it on 16 millimeter.
I know for sure.
And again, they duped it on video and then that was it, you
know, home video.

(32:03):
So it's definitive.
16 millimeter footage.
It's not it's not a shot on video.
That's what I'm talking about.
All the all the tape heads you guys were were claiming this one
back just just because of the transfer looks like it's VHS.
Does it mean it's VHS?
Yeah, it's straight up straight to video.
And then like I said, it was always on TV back in the day.
I remember any chance I would get to watch it.
I would watch it even though I was like scared of it.

(32:25):
But then I ultimately realized it's like, I think I just
really like being scared.
So I think that's why I like the movie.
I mean, the clown looks kind of cool.
I mean, it's very like I want to say bootleg looking, but a
bootleg looking.
There is a there is a very Mexican style to me.
So I get it.
Yeah.
The colors and everything.
It's like orange and green.

(32:45):
Like the random stuff.
Yeah, it's like terrifying.
And then when he's like when it's Margarito in the costume,
it's even more terrible.
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
Once the doll comes to life, your dad's like a whole new
dimension of terror because he's like actually mobile and
running around.
Talking about that scene when he's playing like hide and seek,
like you can you don't really see him moving around.
You see him behind like the bushes.
So you can kind of see him.

(33:07):
And it like I remember watching him thinking like, damn,
that is kind of fucking creepy.
Because he's like orange.
These bright colors, right?
And it's just like in the daytime.
So you can see him, but not his face at first.
Yeah.
And also like the last scene when he was going after Doris.
Is there any Doris?
Dolores.
Dolores.
Yeah, like that creepy walk.
But he had this weird stance where he had that big ass

(33:28):
like combat Rambo knife.
I don't know where he got that from.
Oh, I know.
He just pulled it out of nowhere.
I don't know where, right?
Maybe he has that magic power, right?
Like the Lippercount where he can do anything.
Yeah, he just has his weird stance.
He's like walking.
He's like moving the doll around and the doll's like right
there and all of a sudden the knife pops up.
You're like, what the fuck?
You're like, where did that come from?
Yeah.
But yeah, I thought it was kind of creepy the way he was
like moving and like it was going so slow.

(33:50):
As slow as he was going, but it was still fucking creepy.
And then when he finally got her, like that,
that what I do like though, and I'm a big fan of these
and like movies like the dummy drops.
Oh, yeah.
When something falls off something,
it's like a straight dummy drop.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm a big fan.
There was two of them.
Two of them.
Yeah, two of them.
The main one was like the more obvious one.
Yeah.
And that, I mean, again, I mean, we talked a little bit

(34:12):
about this, but that scene was fucking dope.
I mean, the main scene.
Oh, yeah.
It was pretty, I was like, dang.
He basically like slowly stalks her through the house.
And I don't know why she decides she wants to go to like,
what was it like, like, I would have her a basement or something.
Just get herself stuck in a corner.
Like, I mean, you know, horrible, true.
All these toys, all these like little cheap mechanical toys.

(34:34):
Yeah.
I thought that scene was so creepy as a kid.
I was like, oh my God, these toys.
Oh, yeah.
Those cheap little toys.
Yeah.
I used to get those for Christmas, like from my aunts
and stuff over there in Mexico.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're pretty creepy.
Yeah, especially like the little Monito ones, you know,
like the some kind of character.
I don't know if you remember, but there's like one that's
making the Donkey Kong noises.
Oh, I don't remember that one.
It's like the arcade.

(34:54):
Yeah.
Yeah, well, we'll play it on the clip right over.
Yeah, there's like a, you can tell it's like the Donkey Kong
arcade.
No, it's okay.
Oh, shit.
Dad.

(35:31):
Oh

(36:01):
Oh

(36:31):
Oh
Well, it's funny because there was also a scene when they went when the lorris was taking Roy to the video

(36:56):
Oh, yeah, I think I in King Kong was that was that like I thought they were going to the zoo or something
That was at the busker that yeah, there's like a zoo there
That donkey not that that thing is not there no more a lot of people that are from there
They remember that so when they watch the movie they're like, oh, I remember that gorilla
Yeah, it looks it looks all that I was like dude like that
Yeah, a lot of those like little animatronics aren't there anymore
But a lot of people have big memories of that for sure and those look better than the Universal Studios one

(37:23):
That what I would it's funny you say that because that's one of the things that I that one of my takeaways was that this
I'm not a very nostalgic person, but
This definitely has like that 90s Mexico feel that I remember, you know growing up as a kid spending, you know summers and winters in Mexico
We're just like the surroundings were super 90s the clothes were super 90s, but like specifically Mexican 90s

(37:47):
Yeah, yeah, because they were way behind. Yeah, like they were like a decade behind the United States at that time for sure
Yeah, the aesthetics for sure were like
80s I really thought when I watched that that that movie was like late 70s. I thought it was like 78 79
I don't know about that. Maybe 80s. Yeah, 80s for sure
But once I once I saw the lorra, so I was like, oh, yeah, she lives like like an 80s

(38:07):
Well, she had like that all-white like ruffled body suit with the white thong the 90s thong
You know where it's like not even not really a thong with a thong. Oh, yeah
I
Mean she was fine like you know
She was she was I remember another novella's in the 90s
Yeah, I mean she was a she was a bomb show everybody liked her. I think that's why my mom went blonde at that time

(38:31):
everyone
Like why did my mom dye her hair blonde and I like I think she was trying to emulate that. Is she the one in those mueters those cominos?
Yeah, yeah, that's her. Yeah, she wasn't one of the main characters, but she was in it
Yeah, she was in it. Yeah, and for those who don't know that's a very popular novella that general hospital
Yeah, it's not really general. It's not thematically, but it you know

(38:53):
That is where popularity is we're loading a pop-up for sure
Yeah in popularity and speaking of her she was actually somebody brought her up about that movie years ago
I think it was around the time maybe Annabelle came out. I forgot or maybe the second movie
They like told her like oh do you remember this movie or and they show her like a clip
But she just starts laughing and she's like oh, I remember that movie yet so bad

(39:15):
They always say that yeah
Like she just like kept laughing and laughing and the she's just like yeah, that was such a bad movie
But I just did it for the money. I mean why not? It was just like a job like that's what she was saying, you know
I mean Roberto Gannad had basically had the same
Yeah, he was not a very big fan of this movie. Yeah, it was weird when the interview them. He's just like yeah, you know

(39:37):
It was a job. I mean
I in the interview that's on the Blu-ray for those who have it, you know watch it
And if you don't have the Blu-ray, you know, you should you definitely should buy it highly recommended
But there's an interview with Roberto, you know where he basically was like yeah, you know
We basically we copied Chucky and
The the writing you just got really bad and he assumed that

(40:01):
Production just kind of fell apart and that's why the movie just like the story went nowhere
It's just funny because he says that but it's like you were the one involved in all
Yeah, like he's trying to say it's somebody else's fault, but he never says who it's like I think it's you
Well, no one wants to take responsibility for a stinker, but it's like you're the one that produced it
You're the one that co-wrote it and you know, yeah star

(40:26):
Well from from one Demon doll movie to another Demon doll this is
1987 yeah, they filmed it in 87 and then we'll get to the
90 part of the moment, but yeah filmed in 1987 this one is called
one of the three titles that I know of hell doll aka

(40:48):
Demon doll aka
Muerta Muerta infernal
Which was kind of confusing when I first started watching it because I had never this is the first time I had seen it and
I didn't know that all like the kind of the backstory of the different titles
So I was like googling demon doll demon. Oh, where the fuck is I can't find this shit

(41:10):
Well, not even that it was like there's another
Movie called demon doll without the D after demon and I was like why can't I find this fucking movie anywhere?
And then finally that's when I realized like oh, it's a different tide
When I was looking up Roberto Guinard credits, I was like what the fuck is Martin Fettin? Oh, I clicked it
I was like, oh what the hell is the fucking movie?

(41:31):
That's how it was that's kind of how people know about it like those that have seen it
They just know that's what thing for now. That's the original title. That is like no, that's the it's a bootleg title
Because that's what Guinar told me when I asked him about it
But that is the title people know about it because that's how it was released on video. They're stuck. Muerta infernal. Yeah
But it's originally titled demon doll because I actually have a one sheet poster that proved that this is the original title and

(41:53):
Then hell doll was a DVD release that Guinar put out or he supposedly didn't put out as he's told me
But his name is all over it
So yeah, there's different titles, but Martin Fernald's the more common title since it's a 9 DB and
That's the one that's the the version that got put on the tape

(42:13):
That was when I got put on the tape. Yeah
American scene of it though. Yeah, and
And okay, so that's you know the three titles there and this was co-directed by Robert the Guinard
credited as a Robert the Guinard with a T
It was actually a guy named Ronald worth I'm who actually directed it who I couldn't really find much information on yeah

(42:37):
So that's the thing I looked them up years ago. It's like who is Ronald worth time
So I looked them up and from what I saw it looked like he did one episode of the show or a mark up
Like he had a credited role on there as a writer and then there's another guy named Ronald worth I'm from New York
That did porno in the 70s and the funny thing is when I talked to Guinar about like oh Ronald worth I'm he's like
Yeah, it's just some guy from New York right now. Oh, so it was the point. So it might have been the porn guy

(43:00):
Yeah, but I'm not sure but I think it is yeah
Because of the weird
That's when I started thinking I was like it might even be just this guy, you know
Okay, that's interesting. So I wonder if he was hired with the intention of this hitting like the international market only
Because it was shot in English
Yeah, exactly. Oh, so I want that's that's okay, so raising a little a little interesting thoughts there

(43:29):
Okay, and so this was written by the director of
Diabolica
Yeah, he made the idea by gas
And then Guinar wrote the script with wartime or whatever, but this is an idea from Alfredo Salazar
Which is pretty cool. I I like this movie a lot better, but

(43:52):
It stars there now
This is where things start to get a little weird too because it stars, you know
There's a couple people in here, but there's a lot of tie-ins with the with the cast members
Okay, so let's see if we can break it down a little bit the main star Benny Benny Corral or Kara
Oh, yeah
Was in total recall he was in obviously this movie more than for now

(44:15):
He was in el virus del polled and he plays
Lawrence in this movie and then you have his mom
Erica Carlson who was also in total recall
She was in the devil's reign. She was in demon no aid. She was in Cyclone
Hey, so she has yeah, so she has she oh, yeah, she's very good resume and it also stars Roger Cudney who

(44:39):
Once again was in total recall
For those who don't know yeah, he was in a lot of Mexican movies, too, but I always as an American
I was either doctor that the one. Yeah, he's the doctor the other way because he is white
Yeah, but he was a an American actor living in Mexico for the longest time. So yeah
Yeah, so three three of the main stars of this movie were in total recall be it in smaller roles, but

(45:10):
Roger Cudney also was in Rambo to
better than the Durango
Mary Mary bloody Mary which we talked about in the
Maktuzuma episode
Amityville to which was in my opinion superior of the Amityville movies. I can't even remember that
Well, here, you there's a lot of tie-ins because there's a there's a

(45:30):
incestual subplot in Amityville to as well as there's an incestual subplot in this movie
So there's a lot of tie-ins here and of course we have
aurelio Perez who plays Yermol the
the killer doll of this movie
Dummy whatever you want to call me and
He was in a couple of movies to

(45:51):
los campionones
Who's the who's the Seattle's? Yeah?
El Rey de Monterey and
Some other stuff too. He's not credited and I have seen him before
But he's always like been in the background mostly and that's so much in front of the camera, but he's been another movie
Okay, so he has quite a bit of a risk. Okay

(46:12):
So yeah, let's I mean let's break it down. This is this movie is
in short about a
Teenage boy
living in the house of his mom who that doubles as a
experimental theater and
There's a it's a doll shop. Yeah, and it's a doll shop as well and

(46:35):
he
Basically falls off the deep end and she kind of goes crazy from there. Yeah, he gets like
He starts to feel like he needs to but in other words, he's just horny
He's had he's a teenager. He's starting to you know
Get these urges and then he starts to you know think about his friend who's a girl and

(46:57):
She tries to like, you know give in to like oh, you know sleep with you
And then he regrets it he goes to his mom and then he starts having this weird like
Relationship with her he starts to like touch his mom too. Yeah
And then he becomes obsessed with like the ventriloquist dummy that's on the in the basement
She tells him no, I don't want you to have it
But then she gives in she gets in the dummy and then that's when all the weird shit starts to happen. I

(47:23):
want to go back
the like towards the beginning I noticed like
How do I how do I say this like when he's like riding his bike and stuff and he's like getting bullied or seem like he's getting
Really like calling them slaying like they're calling on these weird. Yeah, I don't want to say it
But they were saying word, you know, yeah, the rocket story
The derogatory words at the LGBTQ community and I was just like that's what made me kind of confused when I was watching it

(47:46):
Because it was like he's like he has that girl that he has a I don't know if he has a crush on her
But or she like it's typical teenage shit, right?
I mean, you know, you know not to say that it was okay
But it was part of the vernacular of that time to when you didn't like someone you're calling them a you know
Yeah, you're calling them names or whatever
But yeah, I mean he's basically he is kind of an isolated kid

(48:11):
And we later learned that he's schizophrenic, but I mean it's pretty clear from the get go
You know the first opening scene he wakes up and he's having a conversation with one of his dolls or I don't know what it was in
His bed. Oh, it's like a little dummy. Yeah, and you know that I mean that kind of sets the tone for what this movie is is
Gonna have you know, what's gonna happen in this movie?
Because he you know, like I said, he's isolated. He doesn't really have any friends

(48:36):
He's part of this theater slash dollhouse that has no patrons whatsoever
Like they're running this theater that no one goes to see these shows. It's just him and
Margaret his love interest and
And with an overbearing mom as well who's going through her own tragedies. I mean she has a husband who died

(48:56):
Yeah, she seems to like she hasn't been over it like she's still struggling to like cope with his death. Oh
Yeah, very so that's why she's babying her son so much
In a weird way like it's too weird. Yeah, and I don't think she realizes it until him
He starts to act kind of weird with her

(49:19):
Why do you know, Mr. Clooney, it's you early can't sleep poor excited
For what we're going to begin another play a brand new play you mean another day, don't you another day a brand new play?
All right. Hello, Mr. Takeoff the phone in Lusher
Hello, brother take off that must that fool. Hello, Mr. Takeoff the stockroom glasses. Hello, mother. I knew it was you
Shh, let's begin the day the play

(49:41):
Hey, not for me not for real you dummy. Oh
Oh, yeah, and so I mean he has there's a backstory of his dad who we don't you know, obviously the dad is dead

(50:13):
So we don't really see him and we don't hear about him too much
But you know they give some kind of a backstory if he was some kind of
I
Can't even remember he was a spanyard. I know yeah, I don't yeah. It was like a spanyard who was into
Experimental art as well or something like that. He was like an artist just like you know his son, you know into theatrics and the arts and

(50:36):
that's when
the love affair between mom and son happens and
You know it's interesting that you said that the other co-director was was a porn director because
Golden age porn fans or
anyone who has seen or bought the
Taboo box set from vinegar syndrome would recognize there's a scene in here where the son and the mom

(50:57):
You know she he's in bed and the mom comes in and she's like, oh, you know
So I'm talking to him or whatever and then he just starts grabbing up on her on her boobs and you know trying to
Yeah, they start making out and it's comfortable and it's like a oh it's almost a shot-for-shot exact scene
in the first sex scene in taboo between Kate Parker and
a

(51:18):
Mike ranger and it was like I mean
Identical like the lighting was the same she even had the same blue gown on like I mean interesting. I
Haven't seen that so
I don't know if
If that was deliberate or not, but I mean it was if you go back and watch it. It's almost a shot-for-shot

(51:38):
There's no such thing as coincidence
Damn philosophical
philosophical as full
But yeah, so that's kind of the beginning of the
Incessual love story between the mom and the son there and who knows maybe that's kind of one of the the reasons why he
Kind of like lean schizophrenic like his mom was so overbearing and so protective of him that he didn't really

(52:02):
He didn't really get a chance to be like a normal teenager. It seems like yeah
Like you couldn't really go out other than with his friend Margaret
And that's the only friend he has to achieve and like wants to be with him
But he kind of just doesn't want to weird. Yeah. Yeah, like he's just like afraid of her
She's she was not bad looking do so he's stripping. Yeah, and like she even like let him and he just like felt weird about it. Yeah

(52:25):
Yeah, well he rents to her after
His mom finally gives him the okay to use this no no she didn't give him the okay yet
But she he had already learned of the doll and he was like trying to tell his mom
You know I want to use this doll as part of the show
And he runs away because she doesn't let him act and she tells him this whole secret about this dollar whatever
And that's when him and Margaret start hooking up and yeah, I mean she was like the

(52:50):
The one person she was like the Jenny to force gum to you know in Lawrence's life. Yeah, that's a good way to
Lawrence
Oh, what's the matter with you? How come you came here?

(53:15):
Oh
I have I have an idea for a new place. Oh, what is it? Well, you see there's this doll and I found a doll in the house
I don't know my mother must have forgot about it for a long time. I found it in the store room
You should see Margaret. It looks so real. I mean it's uh
Well, it's almost almost this tall

(53:38):
Really?
Look, it's something like a clown. It's dressed in a gorgeous costume like of the time of kings and queens
Oh, a jester then a dwarf. Oh, yeah
How do you know from books about artists with paintings in them Lawrence?
Oh, yeah
If this all is what you say, then how come your mother forgot about it all this time?

(54:00):
I don't know
What's the matter Lawrence?
Oh, what's the matter with you?
This is don't touch me
You can sleep here if you want
Oh, my mother will understand I'll tell her something my father goes at work when it's still night

(54:29):
Do you want so
I mean you don't have to if you don't want to be
touched um
But yeah, I mean that's kind of uh
It the beginning half of this movie is kind of setting up all the madness that happens on the second half of this movie because it's kind of just like

(54:51):
You know this happens and it cuts to the next scene and then this happens and then um, you know
It doesn't really pick up steam until we get the official backstory of yermol the the the doll
And that's kind of the turning point of the movie and um
That's when basically the mom comes in and gives this whole backstory about I don't know if it was like the high priest of of somewhere in

(55:17):
England or something right like that somewhere in europe
who basically used the identity of a real uh
gesture like a little person gesture
Um
and
Created this you know supposed doll in his image, but I guess the real mystery is
Is it actually his spirit in the doll or is it not his spirit in the doll?

(55:42):
And so the corpse of the queen's favorite that wiki witted joglur yermol
Was given to me by the queen and her very person to require of it a porcelain patina
Which would create the unquestionable illusion that it was not the actual corpse of the buffoon
She served as a model for her highness's new doll

(56:06):
And since the infamous dwarf
Had been frozen dead in life by the king's doctor
Using the preservative method devised to prevent
Prevent the decay of the holy remains of kings and high church
dignitaries
Yermol's remains would now serve to provide the queen with a charming diversion

(56:27):
Made infinitely more spicy by the notorious scandal surrounding the trickster's peculiar death
For the rest of her highness's illustrious life
Yeah, that was really like confused by that. I was like is it the doll?

(56:49):
It was so weird and then remember that scene where they're showing him killing the lady like with the wig and everything
Yes, yeah, that was not actually in the mutton for now vhs. Oh, wow. This was on the dvd
So when I first saw the dvd version, I was like, oh, shit. I never seen this part before
So it's like gnar just added to seen in I guess as a deleted scene. Maybe I don't know what it was
But it was weird. I was like more backstory or yeah, so that did give me more of a backstory. I was like, oh cool. Okay

(57:13):
So he is something from the past. Yeah, so yeah, that was never in the vhs. So this is something new. I thought it was like
The maybe his father's spirit or something was in that doll. No, it's like from the past like
From the what is it like the 1800s? Yeah, it was like a very colonial very colonial. Yeah
Yeah, I figure he I mean he's dressed up like he has like the white wig the wig

(57:36):
Yeah, like I said, I've never seen the ramble knife back in the day when I saw this on vhs
That was not on there. So when I saw this dvd, I was like, oh, wow
So do you think so there's three different versions of this movie?
So and you said that they're a bootleg, but how would they add extra scenes if they didn't have access to these scenes?
Well, according to gui no, I mean that was not his dvd release, but that was him
So someone just magically found a print of this

(57:59):
Right added the scenes. Yeah, so I think they did she did on yeah, I think it was shot on 35
It looks like it was shot on 35 for the most part
And I guess the scene was probably cut and then maybe he found the material and I'm not really sure but it's him
It has to be it has to be no way to put it in but he says that wasn't him
That that scene is weird as fuck

(58:21):
Because it kind of intercuts with like a matador
Yeah in a bullfight and like, you know killing this bull
But it also yet. This is when we get the first action shots of yermo
and he's like stalking this girl
And basically rapes her and kills her as well. Like yeah, I'm really brutal
Oh, yeah, like he like open like stabs her in the chest

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Slice her and starts to like cut off one of her breasts. Um
So I can imagine they were like, yeah cut that shit out. Like we don't want that anymore
Especially if this has Sunday after church
on tv
Because did this have a theatrical release?
I mean from my understanding it did but probably very little bit like, you know, it's an independent production

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So probably not a lot and in english
I know that for sure and then after that it just kind of disappears
And then it just came out on video, you know, this is really weird cover. That's what I thought it was
We're too because watching this it was like
English I was expecting it to be in spanish with like subtitles just spanish and general but it was like, oh, this is in english
Yeah, and the vhs it's spanish like they dubbed it obviously with the original actors and everything

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But then there are some scenes where you could tell it's like overdub like oh you can kind of hear the english part
So
But yeah, so it was never released in english before on video up until this dvd came out
Oh, sure, whatever. Yeah, so they definitely
They definitely cut that scene out for the theatrical release more than like yeah, because I have never seen that before
I was like shocked when I first saw it. I was like, oh, what the fuck is this?

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um
Yeah, and so that's when we you know, like we said, that's kind of where the story of yermol is uh immortalized
I guess or basically the backstory of why this fucking doll exists in the first place
Um, and then after that it kind of cuts back to a hospital scene and this is where they officially say
Lawrence is schizophrenic. He's crazy. Like, you know, he's not uh, he's got to be locked up and sure enough they lock him away

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And the mom was like, wasn't she like kind of like in denial at first kind of?
She's like, oh, you're crazy like
Yeah, she's like against it. But then ultimately he's still there, you know, yeah
yesterday was fine
Today's in a hospital and you're a doctor
What do you mean by fine?
A state hospital and i'm a psychiatrist, mrs. Mercer

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Now when I say fine, I mean fine physically
for a young man who's quite sick otherwise
Which resulted in his driving his bicycle off a park bridge
On purpose as a witness has reported
Not an accident but a suicidal symptom of that illness

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How can you claim something like that such so damn quickly doctor?
Why all the anger mrs. Mercer? I'm simply giving you my professional diagnosis
Based on many years of treating schizophrenics and then brings him stuff
Yeah, that was to me. That was the weird part is like, okay. He's schizophrenic
But yeah, sure bring all his fucking dolls over and let them let them run a theater

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They're sure for the nurses and patients of the shit
And then you know yedmull, that's when he's finally unleashed is when they're in the hospital
Like child's play too. Yeah, you know, I was at one part one. Yeah
Where was it a yeah, it was a nurse that comes into his room. Yeah, the nurses. Yeah, she's like very flirty

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Yeah, and yedmull was like, yeah, we're not having none of that
I'm beats beatered with a with a toy and while going like
Like he's like mumbles, right? He like mumbles and then he tries to rave her but then he count because he's a doll
Yeah, and then he just fucking kills her and yeah, he just kills her and then he steals the car keys to get out
Was it like a nutcracker or something? What did he hit it here in the crust of head with?

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It was that dummy that he had in the oh, that's right. Yeah
Once again, it was a clown head. It was a clown. Yeah, the clown. Yeah, that's the same one from the beginning
When he wakes up, I was like talking to him. Yeah
um
And that's kind of sets the tone for the second half of the movie where to me this is where it becomes like a crazy art house

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Uh horror flick to me. Um
Because then, you know, there's a lot of like nightmare sequences and then the the doctor
Um, I don't know. He had like some like secret love affair with with one of the other doctors
You know, yeah, something like that. They were having an affair
And like the mom was like, I don't want to hear about it or something. She was like, I don't know

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there was there was a scene where the nurse the doctor came and would try to like give her the full story of
Lawrence escaping and you know trying to find him in the house and of course the mom is it was not going to give him up
I mean she was she was hiding. I don't know if she was
Uh willfully hiding him in the house or not
I think she was for the am because she was like giving them food
Oh, she she was getting a food. She was like serving them food. I think of I recall

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And then um
He's where gets a little metaphorical the doctor closes the door on on his uh
His love affair and he's got his own skeletons in his closet. He opens the door in a fucking skeleton
He has a fucking heart attack it just dies
Um, which I you know, surely was a metaphor at the time where they were trying to go for a metaphor, but um pretty cool sequence

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I mean there's uh edited very nicely and surprisingly a decent
Prop, I mean the yeah, look good the skeleton and the music too like the the not the music but like the
What do they call it when like those the sounds, you know, like
DOOM like those. Yeah, they call those
Yeah, everything was edited perfectly actually like they were definitely trying to make a good movie here

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Not just some low budget. Yeah, they were trying to be artsy
Trying to be scary. Well, I think both movies had pretty good music scores. Oh, yeah, the
uh, uh, an entity abolica was like, um, gothicy kind of yeah, I guess you can say that
It's funny though because that music in head nc is in other movies too. Oh really and it's like the Mexican library

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It's just like Mexican library music. Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah
Yeah, right for real
Yeah, it's in other movies like action movies and dramas
So I've heard those yeah later on in my viewings of mexican was like, isn't this the music from head nc?
Oh, that's hilarious
And okay, so then the doctor dies and then there's a

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Another scene with yedmuel the clown or the doll or whatever you want to call him where
He's hiding under dr. The dr. O'Hara's bed
Oh, that part is a beautiful. Yeah, that's
That's probably my favorite scene in the movie. Uh, you know granted. It's a rape scene, but uh,
I think it was executed perfectly

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Where the doctor's kind of like, you know, she's feeling herself. She's feeling sexy in bed
She's trying to go to bed or whatever and he just pops out and it's like super creepy like
Jump's honors
Yeah, he tries to you know force himself on her but again, he can't because he's a doll
So it's a do you think his soul's transferred to that doll or something or he turned into a doll or something?

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I mean, they never really say but it's like it's obviously yeah, he's still a doll overall
So he can it's like he wants to rape this woman, but then he can you know
So let me ask you this then. Um
Was the doll real or was it in or was the laurence's uh mind?
Oh, we'll see that pretend, you know making him believe that there was a doll

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I feel like it was just something where it's like up to the viewer because they never really do specifically
Say what's going on, you know
I mean they allude to it kind of being at the end. They do actually yeah
Because there's like a scene in the basement where he's laughing like the camera's moving in a 360
Or they're all laughing and he's laughing together
But like you never really see them at the same time. It's kind of like me. You know back to back and they're laughing and

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Uh, I I interpreted it as you know because of his schizophrenia he
I guess what like the the doll was like an apparition of his alter ego in his mind
Yeah, yeah because of how overbearing his his mom was you know, he turned to to violence or whatever
So there's that and in me, I don't know. I just always think it could be both
It could be a him being schizophrenic and there is a supernatural thing going on

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I don't know it could be anything though
It you can interpret it as much as whatever you want that really but I think joey's interpretation does make more
Sound stuff anything was there like a scene that I think it was the scene with the
With the nurse right where he's got like uh, she's coming in or whatever and he's like talking or like or like his lips
Or nothing. Maybe was he a ventriloquist? Oh, he's wearing like a mask. Okay. Yeah, and then yeah, he's not talking

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Because you can hear you can hear like different voices. Yeah, I was like wait. What's going on here like is he talking or like
It is but then it did look like he was doing like a ventriloquist thing going on. Yeah, that is true
Yeah, I think I I mean I I don't like to you know pretend like I'm sysco when he wrote over here
But I mean, I think this one is pretty, you know, it's pretty fair to say that the uh, the subtext in the movie is alluding to

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to something else
Because yeah, like the same the scene in in the hospital when the horny nurse walks in
And he's not really talking but it's his voice and then it it's kind of alternating with yermos voice too
So you don't really know
Who's talking and then I kind of interpreted it as when because yermo couldn't actually, you know
Penetrate these women during the rape scenes, you know earlier in the movie. Uh, laurence was saying how he couldn't uh

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Like he couldn't yeah, that's like he couldn't have sex. Uh, he didn't feel comfortable having sex
Yeah, um unless it was with his mom
which um
Again, I mean this is probably
I mean, I don't really know much about schizophrenia, but I'm assuming that this is like his
alternate reality where he thinks he's yermo the doll or somehow the uh
um

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The story, you know when the mom tells him the backstory of yermo, um
It kind of gets it kind of like ingrained in his mind and he went
Oh, yeah, yeah, I think you nailed it actually
Yeah, and like I said, this movie does try to tell you a good story, you know
This isn't just a quick cash in on a doll movie or anything like that
It's trying to give us a story, you know an entertaining story a really weird one, but really good

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and that's kind of the contrast between uh, uh,
Elencia de ibolica and martin infernal where
You know, uh, elencia de ibolica. It's you know, kind of it's an exploitation movie really and then this this one is more
Uh, almost has like a european feel when I was watching it
I kept thinking of this would be a great double feature with uh, el asesino de muñecas. I don't know if you've seen that one

(01:08:52):
I've heard of it, um, which was released by monday macabre. Really dope movie almost
Uh, I wouldn't say it's the same thematically, but it's um, it also deals with a guy
killing
Uh people that he thinks are dolls or he thinks he himself is a doll. So it was I thought that was a a good um

(01:09:14):
A good comparison. Yeah a good comparison for those who are familiar with that movie
He could have they could have been inspired by it for all we know
Yeah, maybe I mean it's a it was a the sinful door
Too smaller, well, you know yermo really did look like the sinful door. So he looked just like the mexican version
Yeah, he's the paisa version. We have another small person playing the doll here

(01:09:36):
Um, he was a super maniacs that doll. Yeah, he would but he's you know, he's bigger than uh, margarito. I mean margarito is like
He was skinny and this was like a like a beefy buff like little person. Yeah
So, um
But yeah, I mean I I think out of the two I would say that um
Martin fernal was my favorite of the two that we watched

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Yeah, for me, it's like I have a lot of nostalgia for herdencia. So I'm gonna go with that for me
But Martin fernal is definitely one you have to watch for sure. Yeah, because it's like this is a good movie
This is not cheap. This is not just you know a quick cash in another movie. Yeah
This is actually a fucking great movie good story good production good actors

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And what about you? What do you think? I dance? Yeah for sure and ansia the other does the better
I just this is cheesier for me. Like I like it. I mean like the cheesy stuff
Yeah, I guess I'm once again proven to be the the purr of the group. I mean the other one was good too
It took me uh, two and a half times to watch it to
To really to really understand it compared to

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The just a one shot, you know, I mean I've seen it when I was younger obviously, but
No, I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think um
Like you said, I think this second movie martin fernal has a little bit more
It's deeper. I think it's deeper way deeper way deeper. I think the production was actually a lot better than oh, yeah
You can tell there was oh, yeah, they had a money for sure. Um, this is 35 millimeter whereas the other one's 16

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And so this one for sure had a limited release, right? Like it had to have some kind of limited release
Like I said, especially in the states since I do have a poster and everything and it's like, okay
This looks like a theatrical poster
So obviously this part, you know, like most mexican movies as you guys have probably learned in the last couple episodes is
Shot way before it was actually released. Yeah

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And then, you know, I guess limitedly released in uh theaters in mexico and then
Straight to video home in 1992. Yeah, they just dumped it on video
But guinard said it was a bootleg. So I don't know that's where I'm a little confused too
So he's basically saying that this movie doesn't exist in
In a complete uh home video at all. Yeah, and then he denied about the dvd. I'm like, but I remember you posted the dvd

(01:11:50):
But okay
Is he the type that's kind of like ashamed of like the movie? I don't think so
I don't know. He's just weird like I said like when my interactions with him have always been strange even from back in the day
Okay, so for those who don't know, I mean, I've had contact with guinard for years. Is he still alive?
He's still alive. Yeah, the only reason he like me and him never talked was because I had actually uploaded head-n-c on youtube

(01:12:11):
Like a long time ago and he was like, hey, I am the take that shit down. Take it down
Basically, yeah, he was like, oh, hey, can you just take it down because I'm trying to sell this movie
I was like, oh, yeah, sure. Whatever. And then I told him like, oh, let's be friends
Yeah, I told him like, oh, hey, I'm like a fan of your stuff. By the way, I really like your movies like all things
And we like connected and then he added me on facebook

(01:12:33):
Joey's some of the stuff he was said to be like just really random messages. Nothing bad. Nothing weird. No, nothing bad
Just really, you know, really odd like one of the one of those was that's like socially awkward type
Yeah, like I don't know. He was he trying to like be cool with me or what? Did he want to work with me or what?
I don't know. It was just so weird. You want a trash mix to release it
Maybe I don't know. We gotta get a 4k 4k illustration. We gotta hit him up. We gotta get him on to do an interview on the show

(01:12:56):
I'm sick. Yeah
I mean, if you guys want
The fans got a demand to hit us up on the email and you know, tell us that you want to listen to
Yeah, I would like to have them on the show and then talk about this movie more. But we'll see
Yeah, I think I think if he can come on and clear the
Clear the the rumors and uh
Give us the truth of what actually happened with this movie. That'd be dope because he might he might tell us another story

(01:13:19):
I don't know. I wouldn't doubt it. But I do think that the more thing for now should be released in uh,
Blu-ray capacity because I thought
I think people would like it. Yeah, um, this is screaming for mando macabre to release this. Um,
And I do think that the majority of fans while they were shitting on erencia de olica. I think they would enjoy

(01:13:40):
Muerte finale way more
Um, and it's kind of funny too because rector again out has a cameo in this movie
Uh, oh, yeah, very he's the he's the postman that comes in
Oh, yeah
He's kind of like a jerk
He is he's like in the beginning of the movie when he he actually brings the doll to the house
He brings yermol to the house and he's like, uh, hello like where the fuck's everyone at like, uh, I'm not gonna be here all day

(01:14:06):
Like, you know, and he sees the mom and then he throws the box and shit. Then he's trying to like hook up with the mom and shit. Yeah
Call me later
I got yeah, chikano accent or something. Yeah, it's a weird ass accent and that was his actual voice
So he knows english too. Where the hell are you?
Come on time is money

(01:14:26):
Hey, listen one of these dolls can sign this shipment for me
Oh, wow
You want me to put this somewhere for you? It's pretty heavy

(01:14:50):
You won't be able to carry
Okay, next time thanks for the tip
Oh even better so he can do an interview in english
Yeah for the for the non, uh, spanish speaking, uh, listeners we can get them on to do that

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Or he'll probably say I don't speak english
He's the type that'll do that like I said, he's he's a little bit strange
It's funny, uh, you know, I guess we're cutting back here
But in the beginning seeing when he has his cameo he when he brings in yedamuel
The the the address on that box is for Harris County, houston. I don't know if you notice that
I did see houston

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And so I was like, oh, yeah, I wonder if this was shot there and then no this is very obviously not shot in houston
This was shot in Mexico
But like kind of like one of you guys said it is like uh probably for the international market
So yeah, it's like it's trying to be american, but then it's not clearly shot in america. Yeah, because I don't I mean
Does Mexico have peel boxes? I don't think they do, right? I mean not that I can ever

(01:15:57):
I know
But yeah, so I mean it's
This one feels like it was definitely made for the international market
Um porno theme subplots, uh and everything you had an american co-director
And then american looking actors too. Yeah american looking actors

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English english dialogue so
Uh, hopefully this one can see the light of day because I think this one is uh highly worth it
And there's a lot to like about this movie, so
Oh, yeah, absolutely
And I don't know I guess uh one of the things that you know, I get we were you know wanting to talk about was
These two dolls. I mean they're pretty iconic

(01:16:45):
Um
You know imagery. Yeah, I feel like why haven't these been released on a fucking toy or something?
I don't know. I was just thinking the same thing especially the uh
El payecito like he's such a cool looking character with the colors and stuff
Yeah, that has potential for a toy. Oh, that has a huge potential not just in Mexico, but out here like a real one
Like a necka toy or something. No, I don't know about necka creature reserve. You guys listen. Oh, she gives some mexicans

(01:17:10):
Some mexifubi on that one mexifubi. Dan. Is that is that a market? There's a whole thing
That's uh, that's like a slang term for the mexican vinyl the mexican
Oh, those are like those like those old like mech lucha toys, you know what i'm talking about when you get those mexican toys
Vinyl toys and you smell it and it has that distinct mexican
It smells like that. Yeah, I think yeah, I think it'll be a cool character. I mean even the the uh, what's his name the jester from

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like even him he looks he has a cool kind of a look, you know, like he has like the edgark cut
He does that little yeah, he has an edgark cut and then he has like the like uh, they're not lips, but they're like hearts
Uh, uh, his like his makeup is on his lip is painted like a heart. Yeah, so it's a ship of the heart and the pale face
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, those would be kind of cool. I think

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Well, you got people, you know, in that you gotta let them know
Well, I just thought out there in the universe you gotta start egging them on
Um, because I would be dope that I'd I'd jump into the toy world if they they released these ones
I mean shoot even severin maybe severin can release some stuff like a little mini uh, you know,
Little mini little mini, you know, three inch, you know, monito

(01:18:14):
With the 4k release 4k release
Hey, what difference does it have potential though for 4k?
Because it is on film, right? So there is film material. Oh, yeah
Yeah, yeah
Do the material still exist you think as far as I know? Yeah, because I know this is on the same catalog as head insia is
Let's get it done. Yeah, it has to be done. Would the scene of thek I have that or

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No, it's not them for say, but there is a film of that has it. I know for sure. Yeah, somebody has it like
It's it's the same right holder as head insia. So so okay, so it's probably available to buy them. Oh, yeah, for sure
Yeah, so there's material for sure. Well, hopefully one day that gets released because oh, yeah
I I can almost guarantee that people are going to be asking for this one
Um, especially just off of the description alone. Well, once this once this episode comes out

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Everyone's gonna be like, oh, I want to see that or or is it hard? Is it hard to find that one? Is it out on dvd or vhs?
It used to be bootlegged alone like back in the day. It's one thing for now. I don't know about now, but yeah
That's it's not easy to find though for sure when I was googling
I found like a site that had like a dvdr for sale
But the site looks so old and I'm like, there's no way that people are running this way

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Yeah, you're gonna pay for it and just never just never hear from them or get it or anything the dvdr the held all one
Yeah, I don't think it's even for sale anymore
For the longest time at least because it was like 2000
I don't even know it's just like a while back, but I know it's not there no more. It's gonna trash mix double feature
Yeah
Hey, that would be this would be a great idea. That would be sick. Yeah one day

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So you never know keep an eye out at all. Yeah, I had a theater near you let people know, you know
Okay, well with that, I mean hopefully you guys enjoyed it. Um, hopefully you seek this one out
Um, I definitely do not have a copy of this wink
But don't ask to to get it sent to you go out and do some research or try to buy the the dvdr on that one website

(01:20:01):
I'll link you to that and tell me if it works and we can tell people to go watch it there the description
Um, and with that we'll uh
I guess we'll end it man. We'll do um
We we have a a pretty good episode for the next month. Yeah, that was no joy's idea
This is my idea. So you guys are either gonna fucking hate it or you're gonna fucking love it

(01:20:23):
Um, and I think it's gonna be the latter, but we'll see uh, December is gonna be a good month. That should come out fairly soon
Um, it's it's a little bit romantic this time actually. Yeah, we're going we're going to go and you know
Trash doesn't only mean horror and sleeves, you know, there's trash
Armando has a heart. Okay. So yeah, we got our armando's a lover man. He's a lover trash mix

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I always tell people trash make this for lovers
There it is. That's a new the new t-shirt
And maybe after watching the movies for uh, December you guys will uh pick up your hyena and I don't know maybe conceive a child
I don't know the the sound the soundtrack to the uh, bust out a cassette from your dad's collection and make that child
All right, and with that let's let's uh, let's drive it home

(01:21:07):
Uh, you know where to find us Armando on on instagram is trash mix
I'm on blue sky now too, but whatever
Is that the new thing that I was talking about the new twitter
Is that the new thing every one's like yeah, I was trying it out today. I don't know. Oh, but if you guys want to follow me
It's official
I'm just gonna probably use the as a podcast thing and there it is. Perfect

(01:21:28):
Uh, I'm on instagram as cheddar brown and of course my brother here hack them
Tell them tell them where they can find you I'm on instagram hack configures with a dot in between the hack and the m
And I'm also on youtube. So if you want to check out some of those tour reviews, I'm on there
We'll have a link in the description to your youtube so people can find you there and watch all your

(01:21:49):
Sufubi reviews and they're not they're not they're not lame videos like all the other ones out there you guys
So yeah, yeah shots fired
They shoot and yeah, I just want to give a shout out and thanks to Armando and uh, you cheddar for
Yeah inviting me to do this and big shout out to Jaime for having us here in west covena heights
With the liquid deaths
He stocked us up with liquid deaths and opened up to the west covena heights house

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And it's kind of fitting that we're doing this episode in here too because there's fucking anabelle anabelle dolls and uh,
Chuck E dolls and uh, sam
And uh, what's the full the little the full from uh trick or treat? I don't know
So Sam Sam that full a lot of toys here. You know very appropriate tonight

(01:22:31):
Looks like me, but nicer like cleaner. That's nice
All right, we'll see you or we'll uh, we'll see you guys for the next episode in tune in and also if you guys
Find out if there's a peel box in mexico email cheddar brown. He loves emails
I don't know if I do
We've gotten a couple emails and i'm like, uh
No, there every everyone's been nice. So please constantly hit us up. Yeah hit us up and don't forget rate subscribe

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Share with your friends share it on your story on instagram. Yeah, please write a review
I think people need to know about
You know more about cinema and especially mexican cinema because it's you know, a lot of this stuff is getting forgotten
Yeah, thanks for everyone that's been listening so far when we're on episode five
So I guess we're on a good path so far. Yeah people seem to love it and now we're doing six next week or two weeks from now

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Oh, yeah, we gotta we gotta figure it out. But we'll uh, it's gonna be a good one again. Yeah, we're getting this far off
And yeah, so yeah, thanks for listening guys cool. Peace deuces

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When

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Vive con los temerarios la traición de una mujer cuando las drogas son más fuertes que el amor
Quiero que sepa que Ana es mi esposa
Creo que debo de irme
Sé que usted lo ignoraba pero ahora que ya lo sabe
Cuidado no se le vuelve a acercar
La mujer de los dos

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Si doctor te hemos hecho un proyecto muy especial
El más importante de mi vida
Vive la traición de un amigo cuando el público decide que tú eres el mejor
Que los mate este amigo
Usted y yo nos podemos matar hoy pero Ana no regresa mañana

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Tal vez tengas razón pero pídeme una disculpa por haberme robado a mujer
La mujer de los dos no es sólo una película de amor
Y no encontrarás también dolor y violencia los temerarios en su más excitante aventura que los transportará más allá de la vida y la muerte

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Los temerarios
Adolfo
Gustavo
Fernando
Mario
y Carlos
Acompañados por un fabuloso reparto con Hugo Stiglitz
Roberto Palasuelos
Elisabeth Katz
Wolf Rubinski
Ariane Pellicer

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Y Gerardo Vigil
La mujer de los dos
Vea la próximamente en su cine favorito
Marco Musical
y Jalisco Internacional
orgullosamente presenta
como fui a enamorarme de ti
La primera superproducción cinematográfica del grupo más popular de Latinoamérica

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Los Bukis
Ahora con ustedes
Marco Antonio Solis
Si, aquí estamos tus amigos los Bukis en nuestra película como fui a enamorarme de ti
Pedro Sánchez

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Pepe Guadarrama
Eusebio El Chivo Cortés
Roberto Guadarrama
Vente como fuente que te tenga una super tarea
Joel Solis
¿Te imaginas por que donde tocaba los otros cuando empezábamos?
Y tu servidor Marco Antonio Solis
Te invitamos a que vengas con nosotros a las giras que hacemos por diferentes lugares

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Diviértete con nuestras aventuras y bailes
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¡Acompáñanos en nuestros romances y sueños!

(01:27:59):
Veamos juntos como operan los modelos piratas
Piratas de música
Jefe, la grabación quedó perfecta
Quiero que saquen del autobús la copia de las matrices del nuevo disco
También te contaremos un poco de nuestra historia y nuestros inicios
Entrasamos por aquí muchachos
¡Ven que le!

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¡Ven!
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¡Ven!

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