The Trifecta Begins UFOs, Paranormal & Cryptids with Ron Murphy

Welcome to the premiere episode of Rocky Mountain Ranch Research with Katie Paige! In The Trifecta Begins: UFOs, Paranormal & Cryptids with Ron Murphy, we dive headfirst into the strange with one of the top voices in the world of folklore and high strangeness.

Katie is joined by Ron Murphy — author, researcher, and featured expert on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch — to explore the deep connections between UFOs, paranormal encounters, and cryptid sightings. Is it all related? And if so… how?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Well, hello everybody, welcome to my first live show. I'm
so excited. This is the premiere episode of Rocky Mountain
Ranch Research with Me, Katie Paige, and boy do we
have an excellent guest for you tonight. Ron Murphy, a
good friend and I'm so excited he'll be the first
guest on our live show here. I'm happy that you
guys are the first people here too. I'm glad that

(00:43):
you're here with me tonight, and I hope you're all
having a great week so far. I wanted to say
that every Wednesday night from seven to eight, I'll be
going live, and I decided to do a kind of
fun little thing at the bottom of the screen. Three
times during each episode, there'll be a question and if
you answer all three questions right, and you go to

(01:04):
Rockymountain Ranchresearch dot org, forward slash podcast and fill in
your answers, sending you a free PDF. And if you
come every week, you can collect all these PDFs and
you'll hopefully acquire a pretty good collection. So that's pretty exciting. Also,
as we're talking with Ron Murphy, if you have any

(01:27):
questions for Ron, if you could please put those all
in upper case, so we can pop them up on
the screen here and get those questions answered for you. So,
as you guys know, Ron Murphy has been busy working
the folklore, encryptids and ghosts and paranormal, you name it.
Ron's done it for over thirty years. We got to
be on Beyond Skinwalker together, and I really want to

(01:48):
talk with him about behind the scenes for season three
or Beyond Skinwalker. So without further ado, let's bring Ron
in on the show here, Alo.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Katie and all the listeners out there. I was telling
you a little bit before we want live that it
is such an honor that I am here. I really
want to tell you that I've been a fan of
yours for a long time, and I've been in an
admirer of you also. You know, Tony, you know you
are great important researchers in the field of the paranormal

(02:22):
and UFOs and all that stuff. And I just wanted
to tell you that that I couldn't be more tickled
pink to be here. As my grandmother would say, I
don't really know what that term means, but I am
tickled pink.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
You should have wear the pink T shirt.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I should have done that, That's right. That's right. Yeah,
I thought that I'll wear something more more mysterious and dark, right,
because usually if you come on here as a cryptozoologist,
you have to wear like a lot of leather, right,
and a hat. So I decided before go that and
just give you my own normal, everyday self.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Well, I love that, and we are super honored that
you are here with us for the first guest. And
I'm excited because, you know, in looking at your website
and the books, I'm like, first of all, I was like,
oh my gosh, I didn't realize you have written so
many books. So just for a quick example, pop one,
pop up some of the ones you've done here. I mean,
look at you've covered fairies and bigfoot and mermaids and

(03:16):
ghosts and vampires. Now that's an interesting one. We'll have
to get into that.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's all. I can't wait happening.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
And like the Great leg monsters, i'd love to touch.
So I think you're going to be a guest on
our show more than once, Ron, I mean, honestly, here
you cover so much in this world. But I kind
of want to start with you on our experiences on
Beyond Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel and sometimes, you know,
they get these episodes down to forty four minutes, and
they filmed for a while. Did anything happen on the

(03:44):
show that didn't make the episode that you know you
can share with the listeners.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, so absolutely.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
There was actually another researcher by the name of Eric
Goldman who was filmed as well, but they didn't use
his cut. So there they were filming three different locations
down there, and they have I guess all this material
because my investigation probably went about five hours, right, so

(04:10):
they probably amassed somewhere near twenty hours worth of footage
from everybody, and like you said, they had to condense
that down into forty four minutes, so they did miss
out on a lot of things. They had to say.
Incredibly focused. But this area of the Chestnut Ridge that
we were investigating is prone to not only UFO sightings
but also bigfoot and ghosts as well. And while we

(04:34):
were down there doing the show, you had the unmistakable
sound of the stereotypical wood knocking, right the iconic sounds
that people you know, go out there and knock on trees.
There was nobody around. We were in a completely secure
filming location, and there was these sounds going on, and
I stopped the production a couple times, and I said,

(04:54):
are you sure you don't want to pay some attention
to that? And of course, you know, time is money
in this field, so they wanted to focus more on
the UFO connection. But you know, the more I investigate,
and I'm sure you're the same way as well too.
And this is why I'm so excited for a show
that has this particular forum is because you know, you

(05:15):
could be a UFO researcher, or a cryptozoologist or a
ghost hunter, you know, Lake bonsors, what have you. But
we're missing out that there is this interconnectivity. And very
few shows talk about that. Right. It's great to talk
about dog man sightings and go through a litany of encounters.
That's awesome, But whenever we try to connect the dots,

(05:37):
as I say, nobody's really doing that. And I'm glad
that I'm going down with rabbit hole with you.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more with you. Even with Movein,
you know, it's you know, started nuts and bolts, and
it's hard to kind of open that door to the trifecta.
And so that's kind of the premise of the show.
Right where UFOs paranormal encryptis kind of collide, because they
do collide, and in fact, you mention and you know
then I think it was nineteen sixty five, the Kecksburg

(06:03):
incident in Pennsylvania. So you guys were in Livermore, Pennsylvania
on that bridge and it looks like a kind of
a creepy town. And on that episode of Beyond Skinwalker,
you guys are standing on the bridge and you mentioned
a tale of like a witchcraft or a curse that
was put on the town. Can you talk about what
that was and then what happened?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Sure? Absolutely, So. Livermore used to be a thriving community.
It was a canal town. There were coal mines there
as well too. There was you know, churches there. There
was a very popular train stop there as well too,
that had a couple of hotels in the town. It

(06:45):
even had enough people to have its own baseball team.
So this was a thriving little town along the Conawa River.
I know so much about it is because I grew
up the next town over from that area. And then
you know, the Johnstown flood comes through and it destroys everything.

(07:06):
So that is the history. But the legend surrounding that
is also quite interesting. Right, So, as the story goes,
we're going back to eighteen eighty nine, and this would
or yeah, eighteen eighty nine, so this would have we're
going back to seventeen eighty nine. I'm sorry. So if

(07:27):
you think about this, this is right after the American Revolution.
This is whenever towns like this were still trying to
establish themselves. So there may have been a few families
there made up of Scott's Irish settlers and they were
trying to eke out a living in this frontier basically,
and as the story unfolds that this was a riparian

(07:49):
community that relied a lot on the river, but it
was also a farming community. And whenever you have that
kind of mixture, you have to have somebody that knows
what they're doing. And of course a wise woman is
always important in these kinds of communities. Not only will
they help you predict when to plant and when to harvest,

(08:11):
and also suggests what the harvest. They were also your doctors.
You know that they were the de facto doctors. They
knew about herbs and such, and they also knew about
birthing babies, which was extremely important. You know, midw was
was the utmost important in this particular time. So, as
the story goes, everything was going fine until one spring

(08:34):
whenever the crops didn't come in, the cows were not
giving out milk, and babies were being delivered stillborn. So
something was excuse, something was on the matter. So this
community gathered around and they thought that because they were
asking the witch for assistance, they obviously were facing the

(08:58):
ire of the almighty. So this would have been a
hedge witch. This would have been a wise woman who
lived at the periphery of town, you know, not quite
excommunicated from the town, but definitely not a part of
the everyday ins and out of the town. So she
would have been there whenever she was needed. So everybody

(09:19):
assumed that this is this is what's going on. There's
a curse on the town. So how do we get
rid of a witch? Well, these were Scots Irish settlers
and the last witch was burned at the Stake in
Scotland in the seventeen hundreds, so it's very possible that

(09:40):
people that were there at that time knew of this
story right, that this is the way you get rid
of a witch. You know, flames would wipe out the
sin completely. It's not like hanging and you have a
body left over. If you would burn her completely, this
is the best way to vanquish the curse. So all

(10:01):
that being said, uh, they decided that they were going
to burn her at the stake. And as they tied
her up to the uh the pyre and and lit
the uh lit the lit the flames.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
She was said to put a carson town and and
proclaimed that one hundred years from this day, I will
send enough flames to quench these these send enough water
to quench these flames. And one hundred years the day,
the Johnstown flood came through and effectively destroyed the town.

(10:37):
It ended the canal system there, uh, and it just
you know, obliterated everything. So that's the story. And we
know for at least one hundred years that area has
been called Satan's Seat as is something very evil occurs there. Now.
I have another story that goes along with this as
well too. This didn't quite make the cut, but it's
a I think I think it's a very interesting story.

(11:01):
So I'd been a teacher and educator for most of
my life and it was one fall and this faculty
came together and asked if I would lead them on
a ghost tour. And I thought, there's not much more
that I want to do than leading a bunch of
you know, but I thought, sure, we'll do it. Yeah,
what the heck, we'll do it. So a group of
us got together, probably around fifteen people, and we drove

(11:22):
down to the site of Livermore and there's a cemetery
up there on the hill and it has some very
cool historical burials in there, so I pointed those out.
Then I started to tell the story about the Witch.
And at the end of this trail, about three miles distance,
there's an old, abandoned railroad tunnel, and so we went

(11:44):
down there, and you know, I thought, you know, go inside.
I'm sure it's haunted and all that stuff. So a
couple of teachers stepped inside of the tunnel and then
we notice on our cameras that there is some sort
of orb moving around inside the tunnel. We couldn't see
it with our naked eyes, we can always see it
on electronics on a camera. Yes, absolutely, So this orb

(12:13):
then actually lands on somebody's face and covers somebody's face
up right on multiple photographs. Right, So we're photographing this
and we're seeing this electronically, that this orb has seemingly
attached itself to somebody that was there on the tour.
And then she begins to complain that she's experienced a headache,

(12:35):
so she there's something physically happened to her. So I thought,
you know, this is actually a little bit above my
pay grade. The fun is over. Let's get out of here.
So we start leaving, you know, we start walking back.
It's pretty dark by this time, and we make our
way again. This is a three mile walk through the forest,
through a trail through the forest, and as we start

(12:58):
getting closer to her, our car is we start noticing
these orbs manifesting in different colors. Now they're probably the
size of a laser pinpoint, and they're miraculous covers, you know,
bright reds and blues and greens, and they take shape
and then they start leaping back and forth over the

(13:21):
trail as if they were like playing. You know, something
very sentient about this, right, there's some sort of intelligence
going on here now as we see these orbs interacting
with the environment like they are almost immediately within seconds
after the orbs manifesting. We start hearing the sound of speech,

(13:41):
very feminine. We could not make out exactly what was
being said, but it was speech that was rising louder
and louder, to the point we thought, we have to
get out of here. Right as we're running back, and
we are running back up the hill, I feel my
head jerk back a little bit, and I noticed that
the star that I had on was missing. Right, we

(14:02):
get up to our cars, the one girl said, you know,
my back is burning. She lifted up her shirt and
she has these three claw marks on her back. This
is the stereotypical haunted encounter, right, and this was on
Ghost Adventures. You know this would be you know, this
will be the thing. So we decided that we were

(14:22):
going to go back to a restaurant and just talk.
And it was odd because we go there, we sit
down and nobody says a word. It's like one of
those things that whatever happened to us, we really can't
put it into an explanation. So, you know, we met
each other a do We started to go home and
then I get to my house and I opened up

(14:44):
the door and I stepped back because inside my house
I see a light and I know that I didn't
keep a light on, so I stepped back. I gather
myself a little bit, take a couple of deepress and
then I slowly enter my house again, and I noticed
the light is coming from the kitchen. So I look

(15:05):
around the corner and all four of my gas burners
are on. Right, So we were just investigating a witch
that was supposedly burned at the stake, and now my
gas burners on, so of course, you know, look I
turned them off. I'm a little shaken by this time.
Now I will point out, you know that I have

(15:25):
five children. This was a while back. They do tend
to be knuckleheads whenever they were younger. But I think
that I probably would have noticed that before I took
them to the sitters. Right, So, whatever happened in that duration,
somehow my stove was able to light. So I thought,
you know, rationally speaking, obviously it was something that I overlooked.

(15:51):
Somebody turned it on. So I thought, well, let me
go hang up my coat and think about this. So
I go to the coat wreck. I hang up my
coat and the scarf that was from me down at
Livermore is now hanging up on the coat rack. So
as an investigator, I have no way to explain this away, right,

(16:11):
no way. The only thing that I can figure out
is that whatever we were investigating decided that it was
going to investigate us as well, but normally that but
they also knew of us, right, They had some sort
of knowledge, knowledge about who we are, where we lived
and everything. So to me, it was kind of like

(16:34):
a warning, you know, kind of like a no trespassing thing,
you know, you know, look, we'll leave you well enough alone,
but you don't come and invade my area anymore. Right,
And that's the only thing that I can think of,
the only thing that I can think of that happened,
because anything logical simply doesn't make sense, right, This doesn't
happen in real life. But we and then the chestnut ridge.

(16:57):
I've witnessed many times what is called the whispers, which
is the sound of somebody talking and there's nobody there.
Almost invariably, it's always a female talking, and sometimes they're
gradually moving through the tree line. They're never seen, but
it's one of those things where it seems very very human,

(17:20):
but the context in which it occurs is so ghastly
supernatural that you cannot just put it down that it's
something mistaken, there's something going on right.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It almost makes you think or at least wonder if
it's like the witch that created the spell in the
seventeen hundreds. So that's you know, and I've experienced. I've
been fortunate enough to go out with Trey Hudson to
the meadows and we experience that same kind of chatter.
It's interesting to me on that episode of Beyond Skinwalker

(17:52):
for Kecksburg and you know the bridge that they said
it's kind of like a skin Walker underwater mentioned the
wind chimes in the three Tones that was experienced at
Rocky Mountain Ranch as well. What do you think? You
know these areas, why these areas? What do these areas
have in common? Do you have any theories on that?

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, you know, a lot of the research that I
do is focused from a worldwide perspective. So if you
look at European, especially in the British Isles, the belief
in ley lines is something that they take quite seriously.
Here in America, not so much, although there are people
delving into that, but the notion that the Earth has

(18:39):
natural energy centers that are more productive than others kind
of makes sense to me. You know, if there is
a place on this planet that is capable of producing
energy unlike other places, then things could draw from it
the same way that things are known to draw energy
from batteries and stiff you know. So to me, that's

(19:03):
what's happening. And if you look at areas around the world,
what is so striking is how many of these places
that were considered sacred or supernatural or or the home
of something you know, unbelievable have been flooded over. We

(19:24):
have this not only at at Livermore. We also have
this in the land between the Lakes, you know, And
so we have that there are places out west where
there was Native American Indian sites that were believed to
be sacred that were flooded over. And in China as well,
and in Egypt, and all these places that were great

(19:44):
repositories of archaeological evidence set up, you know, let alone
as there might be something supernatural there, they are now underwater.
As if there were some sort of you know, conspiracies
too strong, were if there was some sort of mandate
to keep this stuff out of the public stands.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
That's interesting. I've never made that connection before, but even
in Kiowa, Colorado or the Rocky Mountain ranchets. There was
a flood that went through, so could that be like
a cleansing? And I couldn't agree with you more ron
that you know, you know these are high you know
I did that, So I like you. I'm like, oh, yeah,
the lay lines and the energy board taxes, and you

(20:26):
know you look at the Dulce area and you know
that you went to Basin and then places here in
Colorado or the Palmer Divide, and they all are really
highly I mean I would say at least ninety percent
of these high strangers areas are highly highly magnetic. So
I agree with you on that one. I kind of
want to go back to, though, what you mentioned with

(20:48):
the fairies and the different colored pinpoint lights, because for me,
that's kind of an interesting one. I tend to lean
people will be surprised, but a little on the skeptical side.
And fairies was a tough one for me. You know,
you talk about you did a book on mermaids too.
There's some cryptids, and you know, especially fairies. I have
a hard time kind of believing in I think it's

(21:08):
more folklore driven or whatever until I experienced it a
few times. Experienced it out at the meadows. I experienced
it in certain ghost tons that I attended, And I
don't know how else to explain it, but pinpoints of
light that just show up and vanish, or like whether
they're little energy pricks. Can you talk more about fairies
and what you've researched on fairies, because I'd love to
learn more about that.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Oh sure, So I've been researching fairies since I've been
graduate school. But I actually got a chance to go
to the British House and do you know, as they
would say, boots on the ground fairy investigations, And it was,
you know, mind opening, right, mind altering and opening both
at the same time. So of course if you talk
to anybody, they're going to be skeptical of fairies. Whenever J. R. R.

(21:54):
Culkien wrote The Lord of the Rings, he wanted the elves,
I don't right, he wanted else to be fairies. But
he said that the Victorians so destroyed the conception of
the fairy that he could not put them in there,
because whenever they were reading his book, they would only
keep in their mind these you know, these little winged creatures,

(22:17):
you know that look like Marilyn Monroe, right, and that
is not all the case. Fairies at the at the
best were ambivalent creatures. They were oftentimes personified as nature itself.
They could be chaotic, they could give and they can
take away. So whenever we like to anthropomorphosize things, we

(22:37):
like to look at things in our own image. But
fairies were never really like that. Right. So whenever you
said about these pinpoints of life being elemental, that's actually
what we're getting at. So instead of saying fairies, a
lot of times I will replace the word with elemental
because that makes much more sense that this is something
in the natural environment itself that's simply has an intelligence.

(23:02):
I am also a proponent of the gaia theory that
the earth itself is a living, uh thinking organism, right.
And I'm you know, this is not a new age thing.
This is a very old age thing. This goes back
to shamanism and the Neolithic, right. This is an ancient
idea which does have some modern uh beliefs in it

(23:25):
as well too. There are some scientists that are taking
this up and uh and and I'm believe this is
true as well. But so I kind of lost my
my train of thought there whenever I was going because
I was getting overly excited there.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
But yeah, well, what I want to know kind of like, so,
if you're seeing different colored fairies, are there any theories
out there? And what like? We talk, we hear and
even like skinwalkers at the Pentagon they talk about different
color orbs too. And in the UFO world, right, so
you have the blue, the green, and the white, the orange,

(24:02):
the red in the fairy realm or the elemental realm?
Do these colors signify anything? Have they noticed a mood
a different you know, I wonder if there's any theories
on that.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
So nothing that I've researched directly. So I smell what
you're cooking their page, or okay, I smell what you're
cooking in this page. So this is the deal. I
so believe in this idea of energy and this idea
of manipulation of energy forces that I have decided that

(24:37):
I'm going to go down a new path in life
and I'm starting to study raking right because this is
the idea of energy flowing and healing and everything. So
I thought I might as well put my money where
my mouth is and if there is something to be
said about these natural energies, then at least I'll be
able to understand it more by becoming a student of Raking. Now,

(24:58):
is it curious that we have the chakras that are
often aligned by color? Right? So I wonder if there
is something going on there to reflect that kind of
ideology in the projected onto the environment as well too,
something to think about. I'm just working this out right now.

(25:21):
But obviously the color means.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Something, right. That's why these shows are important because we
got to sit in chit chat and bring in questions
and everything like that. And I agree with you like
to me. I mean, even on Beyond skin Walker. And
when I had that episode out there at the landing
site and I saw the oscillations on the screen, now,
I'm I don't pretend to understand all that equipment they
have set up there, but it seemed angry. I interpret

(25:45):
it as anger. And I think that goes with colors too.
So you can interpret red or orange or something like that,
you know, as anger, and blue as soothing. So we
interpret feelings and emotions to our you know, to the
So I think maybe that's a good theory, and it
comes right here from Katie and Ron From.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
A psychological point of view as well too, Colors can
also make us react angry, you know, happy, sedated, or whatever,
So we really don't know what's going on, whether it's
an interaction, whether it's an attempted projection into our psyche.
It's really hard to say. And like I said, this

(26:27):
is great to have a form like this, Katie, because
what we're able to do now is to talk about
this stuff, and your listeners may have ideas as well too,
and that's how we all learn together. Right, There's this
this this form of diplomacy going on where we sit
and we talk about a subject and we try to
try to work it out. There's no experts in this, right.

(26:47):
We've had experiences and we might have to be experts
on the history behind these things. But what has happened
to you and what happened to me is probably not
completely unique. And a lot of people that listen to
these shows have these experience as well too, and they're
trying to make sense of it. So I'm glud that
I'm here with you.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. So we you and I
got to experience another little series together through Small Town Monsters,
and that was fun. That was a fun trip. It
was a fun adventure. And I can't even remember how
long we were there, like a week almost, I think,
or at least for.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Three or four days or four days.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
So we got to hang out and I actually got
a little clip of that I would like to share.
But from that clip, I have some questions for you
because you talk about something that really intrigued me. So
I'm going to play this three minute clip and I
apologize ahead of time and beans. This is the premiere
episode and my first time using stream Yard. I didn't

(27:44):
know we'd have a little glitches. So if we get
a little glitchy, I hope it doesn't show through on
whatever platform you're watching on, but if it does, I apologize,
and I am going to look at getting a boost
or fixing this anyway I can for next Wednesday. So
with that being said, I'm going to go ahead and
play this little clip here of it. Here we go.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
My name is Ron Murphy, and I've been investigating the
paranormal in the supernatural for about thirty five years. So
ever since I've been a young child, I've been interested
in this connection between this world and the other. Now,
as far as my research goes. I'm still a bit
skeptical on the idea of this being extraterrestrial, but I'm

(28:47):
starting to be more opened up to the idea that
we're dealing with something that's ultraterrestrial, something of this Earth itself,
or possibly even future visitations of mankind by ourselves.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
A mysterious organization lurking in the shadows, suppressing reports of
unexplained aerial phenomena. They donned dark suits, wide brimmed hats,
and drive nondescript vehicles. But who really are the men
in black? My name is Aaron Deese, and joining me

(29:38):
today are Ron Murphy, Heather Moser, Katie Page, Micah Hanks,
and Seth Breedlove. This is UFOs revisited real healthine Rimstone

(29:59):
type stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
This may be a reach and we might not want
to improve this, but the normalizer is an interesting aspect
of this because the thought that you can go to
an experience or in a race. What happened to them?
Is this part of the adduction phenomenon. Why they can't
remember what's going on? Are these covert operators coming in
and slipping something to them, whether it be a drug

(30:22):
or I don't know what, and it I mean that
may have a sliver of truth to it, and if so,
that is a terrifying thought. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I think that's a good point because I think one
of the most frightening things about these cases is there's
a reality out there, and then there's a government approved reality, right,
and that's the reality that we have access to.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Let me just ask one more questions. So after the
A Kenney assassination, I thy reports of men in black
showing up after that kind of like is it always
paranormal related or do you have other accounts whenever you
know there's something, you know, terrible that happens in this
country and men in black agents show up.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
M Okay, just wants to stop there, and we'll just
let it. But I think we have the important aspects
of that video, and you bring up so many interesting things,
and I want to start with your intro there. Can
you hear me? Okay?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Okay, So your intro in there, you said you're a
little skeptical about the extraterrestrials coming from you know, many
galaxies away visiting Earth, but you're more of a proponent
of the ultra terrestrial or that they're already here or
us from the future, can you kind of talk a
little bit about, you know, why you believe that or where.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, we probably will have to talk about fairies again.
Is that okay?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
That's okay. I like fairy fries are good.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
So if we were in the Middle Ages and we
were walking through the woods and we see a lot, right,
our minds are immediately not going to go and think
it's something outside of the world. Our worldview is that
this is really all that's here besides the heavens. So

(32:13):
whatever is going on is from the earth itself. Now,
what is interesting is we do have documentation from the
Late Renaissance in Scotland about a man that was doing
just that. He was walking through the woods and he
sees a hillside open up and this light opens up

(32:36):
in the and the and the breach, and he sneaks
over and he looks in and inside he sees the
the the hollowed out hill to be filled with different
types of entities. You know, some are very human looking,
which would be described you know, the Nordics, you know, uh,
and other ones were you know, could only be imagined

(32:57):
as the grays. So he's saw this not as something extraterrestal,
but he saw this as communing with the commonwealth of
the farianses that he called it. Right. And if you
look at these encounters, these alien encounters, abduction stories, they

(33:17):
coincide so greatly with abduction stories from the Middle Ages
and the Renaissance, right, the exact same thing, some same thing.
People go out on a hike, they go out someplace
and a few days later they wake up, you know,
they don't know where they're at. And when we talk
about hybrids, you know, these these children and how they're

(33:37):
DNA altered, you know, that's that's really kind of an
old story whenever we think of the changelings, whenever somebody
would give birth to a child and that child would
be abducted and replaced with another version. So looking at
the history around the world of the way we perceive extraterrestrials,

(34:03):
it's not until the space Age comes around that we
have the vernacular to discuss extraterrestrials. Before that, it was demons,
it was angels, or it was fairies. And I think
that we have to kind of maintain that even kill there.
And again, let's not talk about fairies, let's talk about elementals.

(34:23):
Because whenever you even study you know, like communion right
by Whitley Strieber. He discussed the inside of the spacecraft
smelling very earthy, you know, almost like it was outside,
and he wanted to experience, to know that he was
experiencing something physical. He asked if he could smell one

(34:46):
of the aliens, and they put its hand over his
face and he said, it' smell like cinnamon. So again
we have these connotations worth the Earth itself. So you know,
it's my presumption is that we don't look outward, we
look inward and see what's going on here. So ultraterrestrials

(35:09):
could be an unencountered species here on Earth. People talking
about the Hollow War theory and all this other kind
of stuff. Possibly an altraterrestrial can also be part of
the fairy realm, the elemental realm, or it could be.
And this is where it gets a little bit, you know,
some wu coming in. But what happens if these craft

(35:32):
that we are seeing is either monitors or you know,
historians from our future coming back here to observe or
maybe even trying to change the path that we're going down.
You know, a lot of these sightings that we call
UFOs are over nuclear test sites or over military installations.

(35:57):
So it's very possible that what we're getting here is
some sort of warning. Uh. And if that warning is
coming from our futureselves, maybe this is time to start,
you know, paying a little bit more attention.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, that you know, that's the work doctor Michael Masters
did a lot of work into that. You know, you know,
maybe it's us from the future coming back and changing.
That makes sense, And I have a couple of questions
so and it makes sense to me even I wanted
to ask you about Sasquatch Bigfoot, Like in the episode
at Rocky Mountain Ranch where it's blizzarding, we have just

(36:29):
blanket of snow. It's coming down hard and fast. And
that's another interesting thing. A lot of these high Stranger's
locations will get unexpected weather, right, I mean it forecasts
for some snow, but certainly not like it was. And
then we have these bipedal prints that come up, disappear,
come up again, and disappear. Which makes me think a
lot of these sites, just like David Platts talks about

(36:51):
in his Missing four one one UFO connection in you know,
out in Cheyenne, Wyoming in the Laramie area with the
Carl Higgin case, there's aquifers underground. There's two aquifers that
meet at the Rocky Mountain Ranch. So where you have
different water tables underground, it makes me think think of
caverns or tunneling or caves, things like that, and our

(37:12):
you know, the cryptids, elementals and even et races for
that fact, are they living underground and then popping up?
And does that include sasquatch? Would you include sasquatch in
that category?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I think you have to include sasquatch in the category
of the paranormal, and not really so much the flesh
and blood. Now, if I could give you another story
here that involves another very personal story, but it's very
similar to what you have. So a few years ago,

(37:50):
we had quite the snowfall here in western Pennsylvania, so
much snow that it canceled school. So I went outside
and check out and see what was, you know, And
as I opened the door to this, you know, this
breast of newly fallen snow, I see, you know, all
the pre dawn sparkling in there and all that kind

(38:11):
of stuff. It looks like a winter wonderland. And then
I noticed that in some areas there's a disturbance. I thought, well,
this is strange, and I approach it, and it's about
the size of a dollar bill. But it is a
bare human like footprint, right, it looks to be like yeah,
so this is where it gets a little creepy. So
I thought I was surrounded by woods, so I thought

(38:34):
it's obviously coming out of the wood, so I decided
to follow it. Yeah, manifests out of nowhere. It is
a right footprint, then another right footprint, and then a
left right footprint. So it either stepped off of something
or it took a while to fully manifest itself into physicality,

(38:56):
if that makes sense, which I'm sure it makes sense
to you. Right. So these footprints that begin out of nowhere,
that are these parts. You can see the toes everything, right,
this is uh, you know, this is freezing weather outside
in a snowstorm. Right, So these tracks appear out of nowhere,
they come through my yard and then they come to

(39:19):
my dining room window and face in towards my dining
room window, and then it goes over the hill and
they disappear. So again I am you know, I investigate
this stuff, but something also was investigating me that day.
As well too. So what I find also curious is
the more people that I talk to you about this

(39:39):
kind of stuff. You know, you and other researchers, we
have similar experiences across space and time. Right, there's something
out there doing this, and if you start connecting the dots,
our our experiences are not quite as strange as they
seem to be, right. I mean, they're extremely unusual, but
they're not out the ordinary, right.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
And it's so interesting that that was my thought because
here we are, you know, the homeowners that live there now,
Greg and Nicole and Chris, they've lived there for over
thirty years. I'm sure they're not used to whatever's living
underground there at the ranch or is around there that
have portals are come in and out. They're not used
to film crews. And I felt like whatever that was

(40:24):
was curious, like they were observing us just as much
as we want to observe them, Like what are these
people out there in a snow blizzard with film cameras
and stuff? You know? So it's interesting you said that too,
and just want to recognize paranormal Paul, Thanks for being here.
Paranormal Pall And he just talks about when these crafts
come over the nuclear sites and are messing with the

(40:44):
controls they can shut down nukes. There's a great book
you have, owned Nukes. I recommend it for those of
you who want something good to read. And perhaps it
is us from the future trying to steer the you know,
the direction of the way we go so we don't
blow up this precious planet Earth that we all live on,
you know. So thanks for that comment, and be looking

(41:05):
for those questions down there too so you can oh, oh,
here's another one. Ron was just curious, John Ron was
just curious. I'm guessing you have. But did you see
Chadwick Gail's three toad tracks from around Chestnut Bridge and
Chestnut Ridge And have you any thoughts on them?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah? So you know, I know all Chadwick. We spoke
a couple of times online, and I know that he
does a great deal of research up on the Chestnut
Ridge and he was able to cast a few three
toad tracks. Now you know San Gordon, who is the
great grandfather of all things cryptozoological and UFO related here
in Western Pennsylvania, He too has documented and cast three

(41:50):
toad tracks as well. And we think about the the
the Boggie Creek monster as well too. That was also
said be a three toed creature. So it doesn't make
sense to me mechanically how this works. Now, A couple
of things I look at is in the grade A population,

(42:12):
we have something called an MVP of minimal viable population,
So that basically states that how many creatures, how many
of these beings would you need to have in an
environment before you would start seeing mutations genetic defects, right,
because there's not enough genetic diversity. And for great apes
it's right around eight hundred animals. Anything below that you

(42:35):
start having some problems with the DNA. Maybe that's what's
going on here. Very very possible. But in my in
my perception of these tricks, they seem far more reptilion
than they do a million or maybe even a you know,
it looks as if he were dealing with a very
large bird or a bipedal reptile of some kind. You know,

(43:00):
if you would tell me that you cast the tracks
of a dinosaur, I would probably be more opt to
believe you than thinking that you cast the tracks of
a bigfoot, because you know, mammles just don't like to work.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
That way, right, that's interesting too. And I was kind
of fiddling around here this track in opening the Snippy
case backup was seen around Snippy's body. I'm sorry for
the distortion, but I mean it doesn't look sasquatch. But
you just mentioned like, yes, there's large birds. I mean
we get reports of these large birds quite often, right,

(43:38):
And I don't know if this is bear. What's weird
about it is it had rained around that time, and
like you mentioned, you only have a couple of them
and then nothing else. So where do they go? Are
waving in phasing out? Is it some sort of prehistoric creature?
I have no idea, but it's just one of those
weird clues around that Snippy carcass that I never knew about. So,

(44:02):
you know, it's so important to really look at the
larger picture and not be so narrow focused into whatever
your pigeon holed into. Like there, you know, your pigeon
holed into the UFO world or the ghost world or
the cryptid world or whatever, and you don't look for
anything else. You're kind of you know, you have the
the bias, you know, and so confirmation bias, and you

(44:23):
don't look at the big picture. And I think it's time. Really,
I think we're starting to get there, don't you think, Ron,
that people are really starting to look at the larger
picture and we're zooming now. And maybe it's thanks to
you know, these conversations that we can have now with
each other, and we're hopefully piecing together more and more
information as we go, you.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Said very eloquently, And we do have to focus on
that for a second, because whenever I started, there was
the Flush and Blood camp, there was the paranormal camp,
and then there was the UFO camp, and overwhelming it
was the flesh and Blood. And what I've noticed was
that researchers would go out and if they had a
report of something that was contrary to what they believed,

(45:04):
they would throw it out. So all this evidence is
being tossed aside because it doesn't fit into their schema, right,
you know, So instead of thinking that there's more out
there to this question, people are only looking to, like
you said, satisfy their own assumptions, and that's why they're
out there doing this. But what is going on, and
I'm so glad that you put it that way, is

(45:26):
that you do have people out there researching from so
many different angles, and when we have conferences, when we
see these conferences, we'll have like a dog man conference,
or we'll have bigfoot conferences or paranormal conferences, and you'll
have speakers on there speaking about different facets something right,
and that's really what brings this community together. You know,
a lot of people talk about para unity, and I

(45:48):
think it's going to always be difficult to have unity
in this in this particular field is because there's so
many egos out there and there's so many agendas out there.
But I think whenever we get right down to the
eat some potatoes of it, we all pretty much agree
on the same thing. There is something strange is going
on in this world out there. There are things that
we can't explain that are definitely happening, and we really

(46:11):
are looking for these answers because it really makes us
more human. You know, we're curious by by nature, and
we become much more human whenever there's mysteries out there
still to be solved.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I agree, I completely agree with you on that.
And man, this time is flying by. I'm like, we're
down to just under what ten minutes left. But I
did want to touch with you a little bit on
the ghost and the hitchhiker phenomena. I think it's interesting
that the Livermore, Pennsylvania is what I think it was,
like twenty five miles from the Kecksburg crash, which begs

(46:51):
the question, I mean, you're talking, you know, which craft
and hearing tones in paranormal type of things and voices
go mostly things. But then just that close we have
one of the most famous UFO crashes UFO. Could you
know who knows what re entry vehicle? I know it's controversial,

(47:12):
but a possible UFO crash in Kecksburg? And so are
these things related? First of all? And then I kind
of want to bring in I know this needs a
whole other hour, but I recently have been going down
this consciousness piece that we are an important equation in
all of this, whether it's Cryptid's ghosts or UFOs, that

(47:33):
our consciousness and our belief system and what we expect
to encounter and see plays a role. And what are
your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
So, Okay, this is a reason why I absolutely adore you,
because I've been talking about this for a while too.
I first brought this up on Dave Scott's net work.
You know, spaced Out Radio on his show. I believe
firmly that whenever we go out there into the unknown,
right order for us to have an experience, we have

(48:03):
to have an open circuit, if that makes any sense,
Like I have to flip a switch, and whatever's out
there has to flip a switch as well too, and
allow that circuit to happen so I can recognize its
presence and it can recognize my presence. Right, It's almost
as if we have to agree to it, even if

(48:24):
we're doing it subconsciously. We have to agree to this interaction. Now.
I also feel that there are things out there in
the environment that can project themselves onto us as well too.
We talk about things like pheromones, we talk about infrasound.
All these types of things that are extremely natural and

(48:46):
biological have been shown that they can shape the way
we feel and think about the environment around us. So
all that being said, I do believe indeed that there's
almost an unwritten agreement between the experiencer and that which
is being experienced.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I couldn't agree more, Okay, So I guess I had
my we had our lines crossed a little bit. But
I'm going to go ahead and put up question number
one for the audience to try and guess the answer
to and then I'll keep that up for like a minute,
and then we'll go to question number two, question number
three again. If you know the answers to these and

(49:24):
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(49:45):
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Speaker 2 (49:47):
Ron.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Let's talk a little bit about some of these great
events you have and if you go to a check
out Ron's website too. He has all his events so
you can see Ron in person. But I am the
first one. Here's coming up pretty quickly, right.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, that would be only this This is the first
year for this the Fearsome Folklore Festival. I was lucky
enough to do the Squonk Festival in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, the
site of the the the flood took place. As a
matter of fact, the genesis of the flood so I
smoke there for three years now. Hopefully you guys make

(50:24):
it up there next year. I would love to see there.
It's one of a kind of event. But anyways, the
same people that are putting that on are also putting
this event on as well too, down in Tennessee to
talk about all kinds of weird, strange things that are
usually overlooked, like the ho Dag and the fres known
nightstalker and you know, the the the whatever, the goat man,

(50:47):
all this other kind of stuff. So I'm really looking
forward to talking there.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Oh that looks like a fun one. And Tennessee's beautiful.
Is it close to the Smoky Mountains?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
It's not, unfortunately now it's Nashville. Yeah, Nashville.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Well that's on my bucket list too, So that would
be a really fun one to go to. And then
I believe in September and this is just like like
only three out of I don't know how many a lot.
You're you're pretty booked out and go when like Christmas time,
I think, And next year we got to get you
the good old Snippy event. So the Snippy events.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Coming up, you know, I would, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
I'll put you on that short list so we can
get you out here next year. Okay, so this is
the next event here.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
That's right. So this one is in on well, you
know what, I have my calendar right here. Let me
just look up there and not kill so much time.
But yeah, so this is the Crossing Realms I am
going to be speaking about fairies there, So if anybody
wants to come and hear me talk about fairies, that
would be the place to be. That Crossing Realms Festival

(51:48):
is going to be held on let's see here, the
nineteenth and twentieth of September.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
All right, that looks like a one, and that looks
like one that they're going to involve aliens and cryptids
and that. So that's that's awesome. I'm glad to see that. Well,
this one looks fun.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
That's right. So good old Goble coon. And this is
the anniversary of the Hopkinsville Goblins. You know, I actually
have a chapter devoted to that story in my book
on fairies. So if anybody cares look at any kind
of American versions of fairies, that's right there. But I
will be speaking about the dog Man, and it's an

(52:29):
interconnection with the land between the Lakes of that one.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
That looks like a good one. You got something like
Tom Reid, is there great speakers there? So head out
to that in Kentucky. I'd love to have you back
on and learn more about that Hopkinsville Goblin, I think,
and we touched on it on UFOs Revisited, But that's
an interesting case. I think that's it. And then I

(52:53):
wanted to kind of shout out for is this your
newest book right here?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah? Well, my newest book is my swamp book, which
I'm very proud of. It's called The Squonka and Ecological Perspective.
But this is my newest Yeah, one of my newest books.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Absolutely okay, and this is Volume two of the Haunted
History of Westmoreland County, So that sounds really passing. I
took a screenshot from your website, so I hope you
guys go check out Ron Murphy's website. I was blown
away at the amount of work and the amount of
knowledge you have on all these different topics. So, like
I said, Ron, before we even came on the show,

(53:27):
I think You're going to be a frequent guest at
least every three four months because look at all these books.
I mean, we haven't even touched on vampires. I don't
know a lot about vampires. I mean to me, you know,
I like think of the movies and the stereotypical you know,
I want to sluck your blood.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I would love to talk to you about that because
it is indeed a show winding of itself, but it
also involves, you know, cryptids. It also involves fairy ward
and everything. So we could go down that rabbit hole
sometime as well.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Too, Yeah, for sure. So we have about seven minutes left,
and I kind of would just like to finish. I mean,
you had mentioned you grew up very close to Livermore, Pennsylvania,
and you know, so I can only imagine. I'm just
curious here in these last few minutes of the show.
Did you have anything happen when you were a young
kid and what you really got you started down this path,

(54:18):
because it's been a life long journey for.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
You, right, Yeah, So it was, you know, I owe
it all to my mom. So my mom and I
she was a single mom, and so we really bonded
over television. I mean that was the thing. Saturday mornings,
we would watch cartoons together. Then in the afternoon they
would show usually a double feature of some sort of

(54:42):
you know, monster movie. That's the first time I ever
saw the legend of Boggie Creek. And also the first
time I ever saw that image of the Patterson Giblin
sasquatch moving across was on our floor model black and
white television. And you know, I was very very young.
I'm sure I wasn't even in school yet. I must

(55:03):
have been maybe four years old, but that image stuck
with me so much that that imprint on my psyche
is still there today, you know. And then my mom
would you know, I would go to sleep at a
normal kid hour, and then my mom would wake me
up at eleven thirty, right after the evening news was over,

(55:24):
because there would be another double feature that night on
something scary. So we would watch that together and we
would eat snacks and it was just great. So my
mother was always curious about everything supernatural and paranormal. So
without her, I would not be here today. And I
think the kids are naturally drawn to this kind of stuff.

(55:46):
They're very inquisitive. I try to get my kids into
this as well too, although they're not all there yet
for this. But at the end of the day, what
happens is we have a respect for the water around us,
and we'd be stewards for the wild places we know that.
You know, if these resources out there are not simply

(56:06):
to be consumed, they're meant to be saved, and they're
meant to be preserved, so future generations can also have
things that go bump of the night as well.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And what a fantastic memory
of you and your mom And I like how you
say mom, that's really sweet, that's really great. And with
a couple of minutes too, what do you make of
because now you know, on on social media we see
a lot of bigfoot videos where people are capturing these
sasquatch and how much of those are legit? Do you

(56:39):
think should we be paying attention to this because typically
now I'm like the same with UFOs for that matter, like, oh,
it's fake, fake, fake fake. What do you have to
say about that?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
AI is a remarkable tool. I don't know how it works,
but however it works, it does a job. I was
watching something about bigfoot the other day and then my
twelve year old how to point out that I was
watching something that was easy? I generated look I'm glad
that everybody has phones out there. I'm glad that everybody

(57:09):
is looking for these things out there. But you know what,
there's also something to be said for these things to
not be photographed as well, right, because then your perception
is very personal, and my perception is very personal. I
think if the day ever comes whenever we do pin
one of these things down at the table and you know,

(57:29):
we cut it open and we examine it, that's going
to be a very sad day, not only for the
Bigfoot but for all of us in general, because we
have to have those mysteries out there, we really do.
I know that I keep on bringing this up again
and again, but I'm just saying, though, you know, I'm
fifty six years old, that's not all that old, right,

(57:49):
I feel pretty young every day. But whenever I was
a kid and I was investigating the deep dark woods
around my house are not there anymore. They've been plowed
over a few decades ago, and there's now housing units
there and you know, call to sacks and everything. So

(58:10):
I know, in those brief years that I've been alive,
that the world changes very drastically, right, And I still
want places to to be there. Whenever my kids are
old enough to go out and start looking for things
like I did. Like I said, my childhood it probably
was very similar to yours. It was a magical time, right.

(58:32):
You know. We had no idea what was working behind
the trees or what was waiting for us in the woods.
But we would go out there, we would we would
get our bravery and we would head out into the woods.
And yes, we were like hobbits going to mortors what
we were and and but you know we're better for

(58:54):
that now. And look you and I here talking about
this stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yeah, that's great. Well, I can't thank you much so much.
I'm so honored you are the first guest. What a
great conversation. I hope you'll come back on. We'll get
you scheduled, you know, after the new year. Thank you everybody.
Check out Ron's website, check out his books, go to
one of his conference that's coming up, and see him

(59:19):
in person. Thank you so much for being here. Thank
you guys for being here too. Live with me for
the first episode and we'll see you next Wednesday night,
seven to eight Mountain Standard Time Alive. And next week
we have Jeff mcbernie from Mount Wilson Ranch, and I
hope I get these little glitches fixed. So thank you

(59:39):
for hanging in with me on this first time out
and we will improve from here and out. So again, everybody,
have a great rest of be your week, and we
will see you next Wednesday night, seven pm. Have a
good night, ron bye everybody.