August 31, 2025 • 61 mins
Episode 2 | The Trifecta Continues: Into the Unknown with Jeff MacBurnie Join Katie Paige for the second episode of Rocky Mountain Ranch Research, where UFOs, paranormal, and cryptids collide.
This week’s guest is Jeff MacBurnie, owner of Mount Wilson Ranch, who is featured on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch. We explore Jeff’s firsthand experiences managing one of the most mysterious and active locations in the American West, and how technology and open-minded research can uncover patterns across strange phenomena.
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This week’s guest is Jeff MacBurnie, owner of Mount Wilson Ranch, who is featured on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch. We explore Jeff’s firsthand experiences managing one of the most mysterious and active locations in the American West, and how technology and open-minded research can uncover patterns across strange phenomena.
**Question Alert:** In every episode, I will ask three general questions about UFOs, paranormal, or cryptids. If you answer all the questions correctly, you will unlock a free PDF gift for our dedicated listeners and viewers! Please submit your answers using the form at: https://www.rockymountainranchresearch.org/podcast. Good luck!
👉 Tune in live, join the chat, and don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4EHkCmhqGw
Because where UFOs, paranormal & cryptids collide… we dig deeper.
✨ The Trifecta - Rocky Mountain Ranch’s Official Podcast is hosted by Katie Paige — where UFOs, paranormal, & cryptids collide.
Because where UFOs, paranormal & cryptids collide… we dig deeper.
📌 New episodes stream LIVE every Wednesday, 7–8 PM MST.
📺 Watch and listen here: www.RockyMountainRanchResearch.org/podcast
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hey, everybody, Happy Wednesday. I'm glad you're here for our
second episode. We have a great guest for you tonight.
But first I want to just send out a reminder
this weekend, if you're in the Saint Louis Valley area,
I hope you come out and it's not too late
to get tickets for the Snippy event. They even have
one day passes, so you can find information about that
(00:43):
event at twenty twenty five snippy dot com. So I
hope you check that out and I hope to see
you guys up there this weekend. So tonight we have
Jeff mcbarney, and he is He owns Mount Wilson Ranch,
which is obviously one of the biggest spots in the country.
Was featured on Beyond Skinwalker. And you know, I always said, like,
(01:07):
if et comes down to Earth, I hope they find
somebody as cool as Jeff. No politicians, just a cool guy.
He bought this area at Mount Wilson Ranch to kind
of get away from it all, and he found himself
in the midst of this whole Skinwalker Ranch Bob Bigelow world,
and so I'm really looking forward to talking with him.
(01:30):
So let's just go ahead and bring him on in.
Where did he go here? He is? Okay, there you are, Jeff.
How you doing tonight?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Great? How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm doing wonderful. I'm apologizing this is going to be
the last week. I figured out the camera. Last last
week my camera was very kind of pixelated, and now
we're having upload issues, so I'm going to have to
spend the extra forty dollars a month out to get
the extra speed up here in the mountains. So one
more week of this, guys. I apologize if for glitching
(02:06):
and that I'm not sure if I'll be able to
share the videos I was hoping to share. But I'll
tell you what, Jeff, I will get you back on
so we can show some of these great videos, because
you know they're really great. And I also want to
say hi to all the listeners out there. If you
have questions for Jeff, please make sure you write all
of those in upper case so we can pop them
up here on the screen and get those questions answered
(02:28):
for you. Also, throughout the episode, I'm gonna ask three questions.
We're gonna keep them kind of easy for the first
month or two, but if you get all three questions correct,
and you go to a Rocky Mountain Ranch Research forward
slash podcast Rockymountain Ranch Research dot org forward slash Podcast.
(02:48):
There's a form there and you can just drop your
answers in there, and I will be sending out a
free PDF for all of those who get it right.
There's the website right on down there. Hi, Elizabeth, my
sister I said, Oh, you remember Elizabeth. She stayed at
Mount Wilson Ranch for two nights late September. Was very
interesting to stay. Oh you'll have to write in there,
Elizabeth if you experienced anything that's really awesome. I want
(03:12):
to encourage everybody to go to Mount Wilson Ranch dot
com and book a stay, because, I mean, beautiful skies
hey by Patrick. So yeah, it's a wonderful place to
go and kind of really fascinating. I really do want
to start, Jeff with how you came to own Mount
(03:32):
Wilson Ranch. I kind of mentioned that you were kind
of looking to get away, and then boom, here you
are in the midst of all of.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
This, basically reading a listing in a twenty five cent
newspaper article that started the whole thing. Here I am,
here you are half years later.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Ye weren't you kind of looking just to kind of
get away from it all peace and quiet.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And exactly, you know, by a place in the middle
of nowhere, you know, build a little clubhouse in the middle,
sell some property, or you know, give some property to
friends and family and make a little community, that type
of idea. You know, I saw this place and it
was the built in clubhouse right here.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And I love where you're sitting right now. You're sitting
at your saloon. So tell for those who don't know
about visiting Mount Wilson Ranch, what does one expect when
they get there, Like, tell us about the property. You're
building so many rooms, you have things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, we were never really going to open this place
for like the public. We kind of did group events
hosted gold mining, and once those people were coming, we
started experiencing a lot of the action of Mount Wilson.
So then we started opening up in multiple other levels.
(04:50):
We're just going slow.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It's a unique thing, you know, like you said, going
from this being my private little place in the middle
of nowhere to you know, things we have no real
clue or you know, an amazing journey. That's all I
could say. Or what we're experiencing.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
What was the first like, how did you know? Where
did you when you bought the property? Did you know
about the connection to Bob Bigelow and that Skinwalker Ranch
on both Mount Wilson and skin Walk Ranch at the
same time. When did you learn that and how did
you find that out? What was like the first clue
that you were like sitting on someplace pretty special?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, I bought this directly from mister Bigelow. Okay, yeah,
even before I purchased it. You know, there was a
lot involved in the purchase of it, So I had
a lot of meetings in between, and I you know,
I think I got to know mister Bigelow a little bit,
and you know, he told me a bunch of things
that I thought was you know, I just shrugged it off.
(05:51):
It wasn't real, you know, it was just stuff that
he was saying. I mean, even though you know we
all have learned, you know what we know now, back then,
you know, it wasn't this deep. And knowing what he
told me then and knowing where I am now, it's
been an amazing journey.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So so when you bought it from him, were you
aware of Skinwalker Ranch and all the goings on, and
did he talk about that with you or the history
of the place at all, or did you just didn't
want to give up any information, Like what was he
like in person? For many of us, Bob Bigelow is
this mysterious guy, you know, So what can you tell
us in the audience about kind of how he was
with you?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, it was definitely a business transaction, you know, it
was a purchase of a property. Not much, you know,
like the buildings, this building that we're sitting in the saloon.
You know, he talked a lot about that, not a
lot about what was done here. You know, he did,
you know, he said things later where he clarified on
(06:49):
the Jeffrey Bishlow podcast why he bought this place, you know,
And he had told me he bought it as a
research laboratory. He bought it because light phenomena on a
lot of lights entering mountains, you know, vibrations in the ground,
you know, And he had said this to me, and
I just at that point really didn't that wasn't any
(07:12):
factor in anything. It just didn't It wasn't real at
that point, I guess you would say, you know, it
was just said to me and I'm like, oh, yeah, whatever,
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Speaking of it, Speaking of interesting people out there, I'm
going to pop up some pictures I found in doctor
Leo Sprinkle's files. And I know you've seen these before,
but I love this one in particular because not only
did I have the photograph, but I had the back
of the photograph that had all the names, and I
think it's a really interesting. Let me kind of move
our screen here, so we're side to side here, So
(07:45):
this picture here, we see some people we all know
and love and recognize, from Bob Bigelow to Linda Moulton
Howe to Stephen Greer, John Mack, doctor Leo Sprinkle. Love
a doctor Leo Sprinkle. But then we have some interesting people.
I kind of want you to talk about the Rockefellers, Jeff,
(08:06):
what are Mary and Lawrence Rockefeller doing there? And you
know some of these other names I'm not really familiar with,
but it's quite a group of people that were out
there researching. And this one here, let me just pop
this this This one was taken near there, but this
is actually out Mount Wilson Ranch, and we'll get to
that in a minute, but let's jump back to this one.
(08:26):
For just a second, and let's talk about you know,
the Rockefellers. Didn't you have a recent visit from some
of the Rockefellers.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I was contacted twice by a gentleman named David Rockefeller.
You know, I of course looked up this name just
to see who this was. I couldn't find much on
the person himself. But David showed up and David explained
who he was, you know, completely related to some of
the people that you see in that picture. And he
(08:58):
explained a few things, and he told me a few things,
and he went off somewhere on my property to go
see this portal.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
How interesting is that? I mean it makes one question
what were these guys aware of and when? And can
you name an of these folks here in this photo?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, you have doctor Tim Ryan down there on the
bottom left. He to me is one of the most important.
I mean, of course you have how Jacques play, mister Bigelow,
I leave comb Keller's there. Wadsworth is the girl in
the back. Mister Davis, I believe is another one. You know,
(09:49):
there's there's there's all of our key players up on
the property and doctor Tim Ryan in the background with
his paperwork.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Why didn't you just love to know what the heck
is on that paper for work? I may truly?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Can you imagine? I mean all the patents, everything that
this guy was in charge of, and that came out
like exactly when this picture was taken in nineteen ninety six,
ninety seven, ninety eight. His patents are on real.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, not a lot of people. I never really hear
anybody talk about him, but you know, to myself, he
is one, and he's still around. You know, he's still
doing what he does. I believe he's a Northrop Grumman
guy and he's still building things like Manta Ray's and
doing stuff like that. I mean, it's an unbelievable how
(10:39):
this is all connected. You know, we call it the
wall of dots that we have. We have dots everywhere
all over our wall. But all the different stories things
and everything and the connectors, and he's a key element
and everything around here.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I agree. And when you purchase a property, Jeff, I
mean it kind of came with some They didn't clear
it out. In other words, some things left behind, right,
And I think one of the things you took us
back actually behind where you are there's a cool room
back there behind the saloon, and there were some projectors
and light displays, and can you talk about perhaps maybe
(11:13):
what these guys were doing with those lights.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know, Jacques Vallet and close encounters of the third kind,
low mission sound light waves. We duplicated some of those
things on Beyond skin Walker, as you remember, and we
had response from the ground. So whatever it is again
(11:37):
beyond me. I'm just a guy that just bought this place,
right but its eighteen plus years later and it's turned
into it's a wonderful adventure. You know, when you go
from like a regular world, regular life and then you
switch to this, there is truly way more than we
could ever ever imagined.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That is so true. In a question for you, have
you ever heard unusual sounds or hums or bangs out
there on the property.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh, that's one of the big ones. You know. You
put your head down in the pillow at night and
there's different tones that come through your pillow and it's
this is like a quiet place. There's no noise up here,
just like you know, you know, we have sound. You know,
we have problems with our Wi Fi. We don't have
the speeds we're in the middle of nowhere. We're noted
(12:25):
for being quiet, and yeah, the sounds from the ground
are definitely there.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's so interesting. How far away are you from Area
fifty one approximately?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
If you would say, as the bird flies and a
direct line, we're seventy one miles so not that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Bird all really, and especially I don't know how big
how many acres they actually own that you can't trustpass on.
I know we've done some exploring out there. That's a
whole other episode, guys where we talk about what happened
out at Area fifty one and the camel dudes and
all that stuff. But let's just say it was a
big adventure. So they own probably a good fifty miles
(13:04):
of that. I would at least imagine we'll have to
research that. Do you know how many how many acres
or miles they own?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh, they own the entire center of Nevada, so I
would I would say, I would say it's at least
probably fifty thousand wow, yeah, square miles at least, you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Big, huge, Yeah, So if you consider that they're just
in your backyard, which yeahh is the next thing. Now
I'm going to try this, I know it's not going
to work, probably, but I want to get into Howard
Hughes and I just I wanted to play this little
clip from Earl Gray Anderson and rest in peace, Earl
(13:48):
Gray Anderson. For those of you who knew him, we
miss him dearly. Unfortunately we lost him this last year.
And he his mother worked for Howard Hughes. And to
tell this story, and I have a clip, but I
just don't think it's going to play. I'm going to
try to play it. It's a two minute clip. Let's
see if we can get it to work. Guys, fingers crossed,
(14:08):
So let me see here.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Son, you know about me working for Howard Hughes, but
what people don't know is that I had a very
very strange job working for him. She said that that
they took they sent me out, she said, with a
little security detail, a couple of security guys, to the
middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
She said that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
She emphasized there was nothing around. It was the Great
American Desert. She didn't say where, right, So I've always
thought maybe area fifty one White Sands. But she ever,
(14:51):
even as an adult, you know, I try to get better,
to give me more info. And it was like zip zip,
but she said security detail. They took me out to
what this low slum bunker. It was a concrete bunker,
a shack, that's what she called it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And she didn't know why they took were out there.
She said that she was confused whether they're going to
show her tools or tractor or something. But they unlocked
this thing had kind of an elapsed lock system.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
And nothing else there, you know, And the only thing
in this bunker was an elevator. So you know, my
mom wasn't stupid that that point. She figured out, well,
it was something that was underground, but they didn't tell
her what to expect. She got into the elevator thinking
(15:51):
she'd go down on a floor or two, and it
kept the elevator just kept going down.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Then she said it scared her.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
She said, I had butterflies in my stomach, that's how
she described it. And h but the door opened up
and she, oh.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We tried, all right, let me let me get Earl down.
Preston peace, Earl, make sure to miss you. But to
sum up, he said his mother worked for Howard Hughes
and that she was brought to this underground city Okay,
which brings us to this unusual pull on your property.
(16:54):
Can you talk about that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So exactly what Earl was talking about, which you know,
I had meetings set up to meet with him and
talk about this before he passed away, through the guidance
and through many different folks that we have met. We're
looking for that entrance. We're looking for where they scuttled
(17:19):
that and closed up that elevator shaft here on the
proper way.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Do you think it might be where you guys uncovered
this unusual Can you talk about this a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Again, Like, so we're in the middle of nowhere here
in Nevada, just like Earl Eve had said in his
little quote. There and this ornate piece of art, an
old lamp post or something of some sort, was excavated
(17:55):
out of the hole that you I brought you to.
That we pulled all that military equipment out of that
was mixed in with everything, just completely out of place.
Doesn't make any sense, you know, I'm really working on
where what that thing is?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Right, And Earl talked about his mom telling him there
was like a beauty or barber shop down there, and
like tables with yellow umbrellas, and to me that matches
what this is. I was going to play this little clip,
but maybe we can. I'm going to mute it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Get a lot of excavations, dug out a lot of things.
We know what happened here. You know, mister big o'bo,
when he had his encounter in two thousand and five,
decided to scuttle this place, burry everything, and get out
of here. Right. Something spooked him, something spooky, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Apparently common right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, in.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Our dig this thing comes out of the hole and
this thing to me, you know, I don't know. I
don't know that much about electric and I know there's
some big old wires in here.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, that's my pinky. Those things are.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, here, big copper top to it. It's a piece
I actually had that was sitting over the fight a
telebo hole power there it is?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There's that? Why does it end right? There?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Could be powering an elevator motor. Remember Dick Williams, who
was one of the previous owners, who was personal friends
with Howard Hughes. He was his main concrete contractor. Here
we are with something that looks like a form of concrete.
Here's a bunch of the other stuff that has come
out of this hole, which are giant pieces of concrete.
You talk about a concrete building. There's all of this
(19:57):
stuff that came out of there. And again it's that
old stuff, concrete with all the rocks in it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah. So are you guys continuing to dig jet out
there in that area?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yes, yeah, I don't remember how far we were when
you were here. I've moved over forty dump truck loads
of dirt. You know, I'm doing this all on my
own basically, so just you know, moving along as I
get time and as I get equipment and found the
giant burned spot. Did you get to see the burned
spot in my no?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
This is this is something you know again, you know,
in by we found gold in the hole when we
dug in this line of ancient seabed that was in there.
Not enough to make it worthwhile, but we ran you know,
we actually brought a washplant up and we're you know,
just running it just to see what the content was.
In digging the drainage for the washplant, we dug through
(20:54):
a layer of charcoal that's at least forty feet in
diameter so far from what we could find. Yeah, and
it's buried three feet in the top of that hill
that we walked on top of. So I've removed over
three feet of that dirt on the top of that
hill right there, and that. Yeah, it's a whole nother
thing that we've done. And you know, as for Roberts,
(21:17):
you remember him at all? Okay, he's the archaeologist that's now.
You know, he's on the Skinwalker Ranch series. He's on
there a lot. He's worked with me a lot in
this and I'm just awaiting him to return and we're
gonna dig into that thing a little bit because you know, again,
this is beyond me a little bit. You know, We've
we're sifting and we're pulling pieces out of there. You know,
(21:39):
I've just hit the edge of it and I stopped.
So it's just another whole section that we're you know,
involved with.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Have you dug out any more ornate pieces or anything
that really like was like, whoa, what the heck is this?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Like just one more small piece? But nothing, you know again,
nothing that makes nothing thing nice ornate to it. Probably
some brass you know again, you know why it's in
that hole with all the military equipment or everything. It
doesn't Oh and on the lamp. That was the thing
that would I need no lamp.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, how about the designs on the lamp.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, just the rust on the lamp number one. You know, Nevada,
we get surface rust, you know, it doesn't It takes
a long time for things to rust out here. That
lamp is like rusted, like something from you know along
the shore back in New Jersey, you know where moisture
rots everything. And the idea of a cavern where Earl
Graves grandmother said, our mother said that there was dripping
(22:38):
water on top. It reminds me of something that would
be in a wet environment because it was rusted completely.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's interesting. And can you talk about that there's a
little ornate oh on the lamps. What that symbol is
on there? You've done some research on that and I
think that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You know again it's it's deeper and deeper, but it
winds up being the face of pan.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
You know, can you tell us what that is?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Greek mythology, the guy that runs around with flutes and
lures people around and plays tricks. He's of the earth.
He's the earth spirit that protects the lands, similar to
our shaman, and that whole story of the land. You know,
the shaman chased mister Bigelow away. You know, it's a
(23:31):
story we know personally. You know, not a lot of
people are privy to the exact story as you know.
I would say we are. But have it be that
mister Bigelow was toying with things of earth and things
that mess with earth and he was visited by this
shaman pan winds up being a similar entity of Greek
(23:53):
mythology that's been around for a long time.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Are you comfortable sharing that privy story that or are
you not comfortable sharing that?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Oh? Oh yeah, completely, you know, until you know mister
Biggli is still alive, so he could you know, he
could say whatever. You know, I would love for him
to respond to it. He was sleeping in our hotel
over there where you have the pictures of everybody standing
in front of it, and by morning, you know, he
was freaked out beyond belief from this visitation he had
(24:26):
in the middle of the night, a giant entity that
showed up. You know, his exact communication, whatever happened exactly
with him in it, who knows, but you know, the
phone people and his right man, right hand man Carl
roy Bell who was here at the time, all know
exactly what happened from that day forward, which was, you know,
(24:47):
a demand to scuggle the place, clean up the place,
and then sell the place.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So something, yeah, something happened. And it sounds to me
if that is indeed the face of Pan on that
ornate lamp post, I mean that to me is what
it is. It held light fixtures and you and Christopher
O'Brien who unfortunately lost as well. We've lost a lot
of great people in the last year or two three.
(25:16):
It's really sad. But he wrote a book in the
San Luis Ali you know of the tricksters. We do
know on some of these high strangest locations, like it
or not, there have been known occult practices or summoning
things in and what are they opening up at these
properties Rocky Mountain match included Mount Wilson, these things, and
(25:38):
so you really have to be careful. And I'm talking
to everybody out there. When you start getting in and
investigating these things and you're not careful and you're not
protecting yourself and you don't have the right intentions, things
can get a little you know, trickster and mysterious and
sometimes scary. So you, Jeff, you and Nick Knack I
nicknacted by the way, do you guys have like a
(26:03):
method of protecting yourself or putting positive energy in the place.
You know, I'm sure people have told you before or
warned you, like what are you doing living there?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You know, we love this place. We love the land.
You know, like you said, Nick Knack loves this place.
She loves the land. I think that's part of it.
You know, we have a lot of people that visit here.
You know, these YouTube people, I'll call them YouTube weirdos
and things. They've been chased away. They've been flat out
(26:33):
you know, they get they get the visit and they
get chased away. You know, we're eighteen years old, Nick Knacks,
thirteen plus years here hanging out on the ranch, and
we're still here.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Rights. That's really an interesting answer, Jeff, because it begs
a question. Then whatever this is is intelligent and it
knows the people's intentions. And that's been the same with
Greg and his family at Rocky Mountain Ranch that it's
their home. They love the land, they love the area,
and whatever is there seems to embrace you know, the
(27:07):
people that are going to care for the land and
in a sense, we're all here for a very short
time on planet or so you're a caretaker of Mount
Wilson Ranch in the land, and whatever this is knows
that and it's going to embrace you. It sounds like
so I think that's really interesting. Okay, we're going to
pop up question number one. We're going to switch gears
and talk about the Howard Hughes connection, and I'm going
(27:29):
to bring up the picture, Jeff, of the runway, and
I want you to kind of explain. Oh, let me
take this video down here. There we go. There is
the picture of the runway, and what's interesting, I kind
of want you to speak about how the runway, what
type of planes did Howard Hughes land here? How close
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is is it to Mount Wilson Ranch, And it was
my observation maybe you could speak on this how the
road almost went from the runway right to your property.
Where do you think they were doing there? What used
to be there?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
You know, we've throughout the years, we've heard so many
different stories, but this runway. Howard Hughes owned seven hundred
plus properties in Nevada, multiple you know, everything's and he
was an aviation buff This runway was I think you
remember seeing the aviation tower that's still standing there at
(28:23):
a little windsock thing. Yeah, yep, it's a huge runway
and we've heard of DC.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Nines right there, that big of a plane landing out there.
Can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So going with the Earl Gray story and the idea
the runway, the jeep, we pulled two jeeps out of
that hole, all the concrete structure, all of that. You know,
we've had multiple you know, Bigelow runs the Bigelow Institute
(29:02):
of Conscious Studies. Now we've had multiple people from that
research come here and during like deep seance you know,
whatever you call it, you know, sance sessions. They all
elude to caverns, pathways underneath the US, things going on underneath,
you know, just like what we're saying here, an elevator
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leading to something ancient caverns. You know, from where we're
understanding from all the native artifacts and from the things
that we found in the ceremonial points, there must have
been a natural entrance to this thing and then man
built an elevator entrance to it and then both of
those are buried up.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Now, yeah, that sounds pretty likely given the Shaman kay
which we'll get to in a little bit, but talk
about some of the native artifacts you've found there. One
in particular, it's like what this big it's a beautiful pieces.
Was it a like a was it used for a weapon?
What was that exactly? Can you kind of share that.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well, Chris Roberts, once again, he was here and you know,
I showed him these things and he almost fell over,
and he you know, he took one of them and
he and he you know, we left the other here
and he did a bunch of research and they wound
up being from ancient ceremonies points not used for you know,
hunting or anything, but used for ceremony.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Okay, So that would just fall right in line with
maybe what the attraction is to this particular area and
a lot of these high Stranger's locations across the country
and across the world very ceremonial, very sacred oftentimes, you know.
So let's talk about the Shaman Cave. Let's can you
(30:49):
just give a little background about you know, what the
what the stories are behind it, and I'll pop up
a kind of a picture from the outside here.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Well, again just being a regular person.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
That was one of the places that we would hike to,
and one of my visits into that place, I stood
in the corner and I had this energy come through
my feet and go right out my head and it
was one two, three, three pulses that came straight through me.
And again I'm not the person that sees all the
(31:24):
ghosts and or does any of that stuff, but I
sure as felt this energy, you know, pulse through me
to the point it made me run out of there.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
It didn't feel like like there was something by making it,
like maybe a maglev train or something running under the ground. No, no,
that was no.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It came right through my feet and it went right
up through my feet and it was like an energy
verse boomow, and then it did it again boom, And
I mean it was really you know, by the time
three it hit me, I was like whoa. And there
was a YouTube guy here filming as it happened, so
you know, it kind of was funny because you know,
you actually watched me like you know, it was it
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was incredible feeling.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Well, I'm going to try and share this like thirty
second video of Tony kicking the cave and what's crazy.
It's you can hear that it sounds hollow and almost.
I mean, I would hate to do this to your
poor cave too, but you always want to smash through
it like there's there has to be a cavern or
something there because it certainly sounds hollow. So let's see
if we can play this little clip right here. Oh
(32:36):
come on, it's only one more kick. You kind of
heard it right there. I promise, guys, I'm going to
pay that extra forty dollars and get this.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
There's that little corner I was standing in too, right
that was then standing. Yeah, that was that spot where
I was just hanging out.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Oh right there, right where he's standing. Yep, was the
spot where you had that happen. And so he's kicking
this guys, and you can hear it's hollow. So yeah,
it just makes you wonder, like, gosh, what's behind it?
You know? And can you talk about are there any
like water features on your property because that's a commonality
a lot of these places have, along with what kind
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of geologic like rocks and minerals are found there. I
just I'm curious it kind of if it matches up
to some of these other locations. I'm sure that it does,
but I want to hear it from you.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
So we're on the western side of the Mount Wilson
Range and Crawl Creek, which is one of the main
watersheds from Mount Wilson, runs right through the property in
an old fault line. There's multiple volcanic vents on the property.
You know, this is an all in an old caldera
and you know, volcano complex from many years ago. There's
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a lot of underground water in the fault lines, you know.
You know, it's even though it's Nevada and we're in
the middle of nowhere, there's you know, underneath the here,
there's you know, in that fault there's definitely a lot
of water down there.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Seems like a magical formula, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, around here, especially.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Right. Okay, now we're really gonna start things up a
little bit. Everybody conspiracy theory time. I'm gonna pop this
picture up and Jeff, you could talk about it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh So, throughout my years of being here at Mount Wilson,
multiple people have brought to me this picture and this
idea that Robert Bigelow is one of Howard Hughes's children
or a child of Howard Hughes. But he's a relative
of Howard Hughes, which would put this runway, put everything together.
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Why he was back here, Why Dick Williams was here,
you know, which was Howard Hughes's main concrete contractor. And
then before them Noraz people that were involved with this property.
This sounds like it goes back to it was known
in the early nineteen hundreds what something was here, something
was going on.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Well, it would tie it all together very neatly. And
Howard hugh was in fact, I think he didn't he
like Pioneer the town of Poch which is really close
to you, Is that correct.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I mean he did a lot in Nevada. You know,
he got that site, you know, area fifty one that
was all his. You know, everything in Nevada was basically his.
He flew all around the state, you know, like these
little runways and you know you were here. That's a
runway behind the little mountain that used to be called
Squaw Knoll. I don't know what they changed it to.
(35:41):
They got rid of that name, but he why was
that runway behind that knoll?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
You know?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And then you know, a Air Force guy just passed
away up here not too long ago, and his daughter
was talking to Knickknack and explained to her like multiple jets,
like this was a jet runway. Small cargo planes were
coming here, almost like you know, if they were scuttling
a city from underneath or something from underneath. You know,
(36:07):
they were just loading at planes and flying of the way.
I think you remember if Mount Wilson Road had some
pavement on it, you know, remember we're in the middle
of nowhere, and that pavement is like old from wayback,
you know, sixties, seventies, way back.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
And of course we're always thinking aliens and ets and
the mysterious side of things, but there's also other nefarious,
very earthly things that could have been going on as well,
different kind of smuggling or weapons smuggling or who knows what.
What's the most interesting thing you've learned about Howard Hughes
in the research you've done on him.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He was all aviation. His relatives were Orville and Wilver,
you know, the original plane flyers, you know, so they
were always into aviation. Flying Howard Hughes, it sounds like
what after well, we all you know, if you watch
the movies or he's you know, you just read about him.
He went nuts when he figured out something. You know,
(37:06):
he totally lost his mind, locked himself in a place,
you know, let his finger. You know, he was like
he grew crazy, like he became aware of something.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I laugh and say, yeah, he became aware of Pan.
You know, like this idea that this entities are here
and they do protect you know, we know, like you
said before, the occultists, you know whatever these people knew,
doctor Colonel Alexander. How put off these guys are. We
don't know what they're really into, you know, and what
this really relates to that Pan being on there. You
(37:37):
know Pan is you know when I started looking him up,
you know, like how we talk about myself, but you
have talked about our pasts, you know, things that we
don't really know about. When I started reading about Pan,
it brought back something.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Oh yeah, that makes me want that that's really interesting,
which kind of just flows really nicely. Le's go ahead
and throw a question number two for me, please, but
that kind of ties nicely. I believe it was the
first time I no, it was the second time I visited.
And you know, you have this wonderful building where you
can go and have breakfast and coffee in the morning,
(38:15):
and the big fireplace is there. It's like a great room. Actually,
right in the same building you're in right now, right
there was a bathroom that connects those two rooms, and
I go into the bathroom and I come out and
I asked, Jeff, Yeah, has this the corb been changed
since like the late seventies, you know, and you're You're like, no,
(38:36):
I'm like, was this ever a girl Scout camp? And
your answer was yes, yes, because I had memory. So
there's a very unique toilet seat in the girl's bathroom
which is orange and it has an owl on it,
and this very memorable wallpaper that I remembered, and the
(38:56):
carpet I remember it. I remembered being in that building
at a girl Scout camp making little popsicle stick with
yarn crafts and stuff. Now, what's interesting was it a
Mormon girl Scout camp?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Were there just there a few different camps here over
the years, you know, from Catholic to just retreats to
Mormons too, you know. There it was all sorts, you know,
and that was even before. Yeah, there was a lot
of things going on here that are definitely unexplained.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, and I'm like, holy spots. I believe when I
was young, I went to girl Scout camp right there.
I have very few memories of it, but it was
just one of those things like the toilet seat, the wallpaper,
the carpeting, and that that flash of memory. So I
think that's a really interesting like what is all that about?
Which really begs the question like, really, what what are
(39:52):
these people you mentioned, Colonel Alexander? What are they privy to?
What do they know? What are they trying to control?
Like if you go back into the Illuminati and these
kind of things, in this power of our consciousness and
you know, maybe we can control reality and these kind
of deep thinking. Is that truly the secret? And not
(40:12):
next necessarily the ets and craft, but some other form
of magic or mysticism? And were they experience experimenting with
that they're at Mountainsson Ranch.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Oh to me, it's it's you know again, I think,
did I tell you the story of the coin from Australia?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I think you did, but you need to tell our listeners.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
So again, so I don't see ghosts. I don't you
know a lot of this stuff, you know, it's you know,
I've heard a lot of stories abouta but I had
to myself. I walked out of my house and I
had a voice, you know how I and I say,
you're oh, you're not because you hear voices in your head. Right,
that's what they've told us, that's what they've projected movies. Well,
I have a lot of noises going on in my
(40:57):
head that I listened to. Well, one day it was specific.
It said go find it, straight out, go find it.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Find it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
It's like in field of dreams. If you build it,
they will.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Come with amazing reality for myself because anything that I've
ever questioned is one hundred percent clear now, and it's
one hundred percent clear that everything is really like way
beyond what we know. Anyway, I go find it. I
go out into property. I don't nothing, you know, I
feed the animals, do all the stuff, do much things,
and I come back up. I get back by my
(41:31):
truck again, and this time the go find it was
so loud that I actually let out verbally, go find what?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
So I go through the property and lo and behold.
I get down to the lower section of property, down
by the workshop, and there's a beautiful quarter sitting on
the ground. But it's not a quarter. It winds up
being you know, it's got a ten on it, it's
got a lady on it. But now that my eyes
are failing a little bit, I couldn't see it. So
I'm walking up towards the top and Nick knacks up
(42:02):
there on the hotel. I asked her to read it.
She reads out the aus you know, she gets out that,
and I'm like, no way, it's an Australian coin. Now again,
why is there an Australian coin? Because two hours from then,
these two ladies, Lynn and Lynnette from Australia were arriving
at the ranch, and yeah, this coin shows up on
(42:26):
the property. It was really neat that big coincidence, right,
all of that, la la lah. But their stories once
I told them and they had arrived here about that coin.
What happened to them in Las Vegas with that exact
ten cent piece? They lost it in their hotel room.
They had an entire collection of Australian coins that they
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were bringing to us as a gift, you know, to
the ranch. And they also had two pictures from the
the natives of Australia that they had drawn to bring
to the ranch. So that whole connection. They somehow dropped
the coin and rolled under the bed at the Plaza casino.
(43:07):
They couldn't find it. They made a big joke of it,
just leave it under the bed as a tip. I
found it on the ground through a voice that actually
told me to go find this thing. And this is
you know, for me, I don't see it, you know,
none of that, But this was like wow, straight out
and how does that do that? David and mister Bigelow
(43:29):
told me about the portal? So to me, now, portals
are one hundred pcent real, how they work?
Speaker 1 (43:37):
What it is? You know?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I can't wait to find out, right.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
No kidding. I mean I've heard of the Navajo rangers
talk about these coins dropping just reporting in, you know,
like many times for them. And I'm thinking, you know,
some of these ancient secret societies have they learned to
(44:04):
somehow control that in a way? Do you know what
I'm saying? Like if I'd be like, can you make
a portal here and drop a bunch of those coins
down for me? I mean, I don't know that. That
story blows my mind and it makes you really question
all of reality and how things actually work.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
One hundred percent and you remember did you see the sword?
Remember the sword?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Knights at Epitheis templar sword.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Oh that was found on your property.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, and I never released it from a cheap because
I bent it from writing over in my ATV. So
I just keep it as a souvenir. One day i'll
open it. I want to see a Rockefeller name on it.
That's like my dream. You want to see what the
Rockefeller name inscribed on the writings on the sword itself.
Have that be what this all relates back to. This
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will be incredible.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
What will it take for you to open that up
and look the.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Right person the right moment. You know, I've just been
you know, like everything else. There's so many different things
going on, and you know, I just come from a
regular person thing. Yeah, we're working away at it. And
now that that thing happened, you know, I've really paused
things because this is absolutely beyond anything that I could
(45:25):
have ever imagined, you know in real life, you know,
as it was known before this.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, it's like ex caliber, right, maybe it's I mean,
do you believe this? I certainly do, But I want
to know if you believe like things happen when they're
meant to happen, and you find the right clues when
you're meant to find them. Do you feel kind of
led towards this ultimate puzzle piece, like you're finding these
clues you said, your wall of dots. Do you feel
(45:52):
like that's very much in play or is it just happenstance?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Oh, it's very much in play. You know this this
idea of the simulation. You know that we're living this
whole thing. I I would have never even considered that.
You know, people have been bringing that to me for
years now. You know, it's like it's like things are
just clicking click click click, you know, even being here,
you know, mister Bigelow letting me purchase this place. You know,
(46:20):
there was a lot of stipulations, you know, the things
I had to do. You know, I almost feel like
he hand picked before it, you know, and again in
a guessing situation or as part of the simulation, you know,
this is where I'm supposed to be. I'm sitting right
exactly where you know I am, and we are definitely
in line with something.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Do you think there's a way that just you know,
everybody can be more in tune to looking for the path,
the purpose, the sign, the clues along the way. Is
there something you do in particular that kind of helps
increase the synchronicities or is it just you know, you're
kind of we're put in this position for a reason.
(47:04):
Maybe you know why, maybe you don't, but certainly something
is at play. Is there a way people can tune
more into that.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
I actually there's something I would say to listen to.
You know, I always had talk in my head going on.
You know, we have things going on, some of us, don't.
You know. I've learned about this over the years as well,
so the inner workings and everything that's going on in
your head. You know, you watch a movie or you
(47:31):
watch like a TV program, or you know something they
teach you that you're crazy or you're a psycho. You know,
he hears voices in his head. He's a nut. I
think you need to listen to those voices a little more,
so you know, straight out, you know, just listen to
that a little more. It's almost like your inner communication
with something further than what we are. And I listen
(47:54):
to that a lot. I'm I'm an instant guy. You know,
you don't I don't hesitate one split anything, you know.
I listened to my dude, you know, he so just listen,
listen to your inner self. You're not a nut, you know,
just go with it.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I think that's a really important message, because you're right.
We're all programmed to have these beliefs and maybe, you know,
sort of like the MK ultra programming, which we're all
a victim of in one form or another form or another,
the programming of society, and we were programmed to believe
that because they want to keep us dumb down. They
don't want us to have our own power to listen
(48:32):
to our gut, our intuition, and to know, you know,
that we are the creators of our realities. And so
I think you're right on with that, and for me
in particular, I've always been very cautious of that, having
a half brother that was institutionalized, you know, in the
sixties and the seventies, when they were just throwing away
everybody in locking the key, so in doing horrible experiments
(48:53):
on these people as well. Let's go ahead and throw
up question number three. I can't believe how fast this
time fly, but I kind of want to just finish
up with well, no, we didn't even get to these prints. Okay, okay,
we only have tech, so we gotta get this. So
we're walking up to the shaman gave right, and there
was scattered snow on the ground, and what do we
(49:16):
see come out of nowhere? And I'm going to try
and run this little video so it's like a minute
maybe and hopefully it's not super topic. But let's let's
try this.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
To the right to see if anybody who had a
fake footprint. It's a weird.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
It's like we just walked all the way up.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Here and there was not one footprint anywhere.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
No, and they just start there there, they just start.
They're not coming from there, They're not coming from over here.
There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
And like you said, it is weird. Those are coming
straight down kind of.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I mean they might go.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
I don't know where they were here.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
It's like there's someone much larger and something much smaller inside.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
That was a pretty wild thing for a couple of reasons.
So I'm gonna throw these these pictures here. So here's funny,
funny backstory on this. I don't know if you can
see it in the picture, but do you remember, Jeff
I was trying to throw a quarter. I do I
get the snow. I'm like, well, that's not gonna work.
So if you go up there now, you'll say you'll
(50:31):
find like seventy five cents those where those tracks are.
But have you ever seen like cryptids or sasquatch or
anything like that? And what the heck are there bear
up there? I mean, they just came out of nowhere
and they're just like what they were, like how many
of these things? And these seemed kind of close together,
but those other ones were like six feet and then disappeared.
(50:51):
So can you talk about any cryptid sightings or anything
like that? But those are weird.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
So that spot, if there was no snow, that's the uh.
There's a circle, an ancient circle sorts, you know, just
an old rock mound there. We've done a lot of
measurements in there. It's it's wild because you could go
in that circle and out of that circle, and you know,
with instruments, there's completely different greetings. There's something oh yeah,
(51:19):
oh yeah, it's it's it. And that's why it's funny
that you know, we saw this thing that just popped
out of nowhere and made the footprints or prints in
the snow.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
And and also I can remember as we're walking up
that crime scene tape, where did that come from?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You know, again, a lot more people are you know,
kind of getting what's happening around here. So people are
showing up and you know, we get a little bit
of you know, things people are doing now. So that
was just something somebody.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Put people don't mess with Mount Wilson Ranch. That is
not very nice. I mean, this is your home, your property,
and it's not cool so delivered in that. But it
makes you wonder. I never thought of that theory because, yeah,
there's that circle of rocks and they had something like
a skull in the middle of it. I don't know
(52:15):
if I have a picture of that, but yeah, those
prints were just right outside of that circle. So did
something come out with that area?
Speaker 2 (52:24):
That's interesting again, And as far as people doing things
like that, that's where we kind of myself and Nicknack
laugh about it because we hear a lot of stories
of you know, people you know taking things from here
and paying a price for it, you know, bad sicknesses, illnesses,
(52:45):
you know, things have happened over the years where you know,
even for my sake, you know, this thing maybe helps
me out, you know, it's for somebody's track, you know,
the people that just don't bring good with them, That's right.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Karmel's a bitch.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, And you know the hitch hiker effect. You know,
I think it's in full effect around here. You know,
I don't even know if to necessarily do anything. You
know it, you know, and we've come to you know,
we know it is anity. You know, it is a protector.
You know, it's it's strong.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah. In the last seven minutes, since we're the trifecta here,
we talk about UFOs, Luis and Cryptis. In the last
seven minutes or the last five minutes, tell us some
of the best ghost stories coming from Mount Wilson Ranch
that you've heard. We're experienced that.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
That hotel over there is definitely a hot spot for
an entity that you know, apparently it can't communicate with me.
You know, they say that I'm a blockhead. You know,
I've heard a lot of things from the I call
them the witches. But there are people that are from
the big old Institute Concious Studies in their connections with it.
(53:58):
All it wants us to do is protect the land
and keep things, you know, like I have instructions not
to cut down any more tree. You know, there's a
bunch of different things that we've been like kind of instructed,
which again I'm listening to them. You know, I'm taking
it easy here. You know, everybody's like dig dig dig
dig dig dig. You know I did dig, but now
I'm I'm paused. Yeah, you know, I'm not just doing
(54:18):
things just to do them or just because you know,
TV people or people want me to do them. Now
we're gonna We're just going to go forward cautiously, you know,
to protect the land type of thing, go slow, right.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Have you ever encountered a ghost yourself where not really
they stay away from you. What about Nick Knack?
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Nothing really ghostly. You know, we get a lot of
you know, raised hairs and things, you know, through the
building here. But we live here, you know, so we
don't even want that to happen. I mean, we have
a lot of the paranormal people coming here. There's every
time they're here, there's you know, it's it's neat to watch.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's that you because I can't remember hanging
out there right where you're sitting in the bar, and
right above you is an upstairs, so it's very like
Western Town very cool, and we saw a shadow go
across and the weird little lights, like the little strange
very lights. Maybe you're just so acclimated you just you know.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Oh, like shadow guy is normal. He's always here. I mean,
you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see shadow guys around.
I mean, yes, we have our our things. You know,
you remember in the hallway over here, and yeah there's
a lot, but it's it's okay. You know that stuff's okay.
That doesn't you know what is it? It's a shadow guy.
(55:43):
You know what does that mean? I have no idea.
You know, it doesn't follow us, you know, it's part
of it. It's you know, and we're going to figure it.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
That's why I love it because with all these thoughts,
knowledge is coming. And you know, remember we talked about
we got a lot more to talk about, like you said,
like that power line in Meadow, that one underground, the
night crew, and there's so much to this that just
doesn't make sense for.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Sure, and I think there's so much more work to do.
One thing that surprised me about I mean, the little
bit time. Time is my enemy because I would love
to dig more and more on Howard Hughes stuff is
hard to find them, but I have fun on archives
that I one day I'll get to and pull a
lot of these Howard Hughes. Even in the Eisenhower archives,
there's a whole blocks of Howard Hughes, you know, correspondence
(56:30):
to stuff. What I didn't realize that Howard Hughes was
like contact in the desert. They have the integratron and
that stuff. I didn't realize he was there and was
really interested in UFOs and that kind of stuff. I
did not know that. I thought it was just all
aviation d Dad, but he was very much aware of
the UFO phenomenon. So perhaps the clues are still coming
(56:54):
when they're meant to be uncovered and found. And you know, what,
do you think Jef to kind of close it up here?
We've got a couple more minutes left. What are you hoping?
What's the end game here? What are we hoping to
kind of figure out with all of these high strangers,
not just Mount Wilson Ranche, but all of this stuff,
Like what would just be like, yes, this is it.
(57:16):
Finally we have the answers.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
I would say, you know what has been hidden from us?
You know we know that like manifesting and the whole.
We know that that's real, how it works, the mechanisms,
you know, how you can like portle something through. It's known,
it has to be known. You know they figured this out.
(57:38):
I would love to know how to do it, like
you know, privy to what they know, because you know
I touch on it all the time. You know, you
have you know, we've talked about this. We do this
stuff all the time. It's just we would be nice
to know what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah, that's true, That is true. We at the top
of the show we were talking about World great and
and his mom that worked for Howard Hughes. So rest
in peace, Earl. We miss you. And I know he
is on the other side cheering Jeff on, cheering Katie
on and everybody else that is looking for these answers,
(58:16):
because I know for Earle he would all love to
have been able to put the pieces together for his
mom and that whole Howard Hughes connection. And I know
Mount Wilson Ranch you're sitting on, no pun intended of
gold mine of clues that I think we'll be able
to You'll be able to uncover slowly when you're listening
(58:38):
to that little voice telling you dig here, dig here,
you know, and you're gonna get there. I truly believe that.
Are there any last minute questions for anybody for Jeff
out there, we can ask him really quick as we
wind this up. I really appreciate you all being here,
and I hope that you all go to Mount Wilson
(59:00):
and ranch check out there. Oh thank you. I go,
you know, make some reservations, go out there for a vacation.
It's a fun place to go, walk around the land.
It's awesome. I really encourage that. And who knows, you
might see a shadow figure or a little little light
orb and the sky out there is beautiful. Do you
(59:21):
ever see like orbs lights in the sky? I know
I did both two times. I was looking up, just
going from the hotel room to the saloon. You look
up and maybe they're just drawn to me, but I
see I saw stuff both times out there, so I'm
sure that's pretty often.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
This sky is so alive, is incredible.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
I just came back from a little journey, you know,
and coming back, I was staring up the sky last night,
and you know, I almost got dizzy because there was
I saw probably nine satellites going in every different direction
or multiple speeds, every different color. You know, it's and
again is it exactly? You know, the low level lights,
(01:00:02):
the lights that worked in the mountain, you know, like
like Shadow guy right to us, the lights and the
phenomena like that. It's it's normality here because it's so dark,
it's so clear, it's so quiet. It's normal. But again,
you know what is it? It's nothing to be afraid
of type of things.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Oh, absolutely not. The energy there is great. The energy
there is wonderful. It's a wonderful place to visit and Skylisee.
So I hope you all make it out there, and
thank you, Jeff. I can't thank you enough for being
on the show. And I hope we'll get out there
again soon, maybe next spring. We'll stop by and hang
out with you and Nick Knack. It's always a pleasure
talking to you. And the mystery continues. We've got a
(01:00:44):
lot more work to do for Earl and for everybody
else out there. We want to find answers like the
rest of you, and I hope you all have a
wonderful rest of your week and we will be live
next Wednesday, Night seven. To eight pm on the standard time. Again,
thank you Jeff for being here and have a great
week and say hi to Nicknact for me and everybody
out there, take care of cover. Thank you you are
(01:01:07):
at the Snippy event.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Thank you, and thank everyone for checking us out.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Thank you Katie, thank you, good bye, good bye,
Hey, everybody, Happy Wednesday. I'm glad you're here for our
second episode. We have a great guest for you tonight.
But first I want to just send out a reminder
this weekend, if you're in the Saint Louis Valley area,
I hope you come out and it's not too late
to get tickets for the Snippy event. They even have
one day passes, so you can find information about that
(00:43):
event at twenty twenty five snippy dot com. So I
hope you check that out and I hope to see
you guys up there this weekend. So tonight we have
Jeff mcbarney, and he is He owns Mount Wilson Ranch,
which is obviously one of the biggest spots in the country.
Was featured on Beyond Skinwalker. And you know, I always said, like,
(01:07):
if et comes down to Earth, I hope they find
somebody as cool as Jeff. No politicians, just a cool guy.
He bought this area at Mount Wilson Ranch to kind
of get away from it all, and he found himself
in the midst of this whole Skinwalker Ranch Bob Bigelow world,
and so I'm really looking forward to talking with him.
(01:30):
So let's just go ahead and bring him on in.
Where did he go here? He is? Okay, there you are, Jeff.
How you doing tonight?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Great? How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm doing wonderful. I'm apologizing this is going to be
the last week. I figured out the camera. Last last
week my camera was very kind of pixelated, and now
we're having upload issues, so I'm going to have to
spend the extra forty dollars a month out to get
the extra speed up here in the mountains. So one
more week of this, guys. I apologize if for glitching
(02:06):
and that I'm not sure if I'll be able to
share the videos I was hoping to share. But I'll
tell you what, Jeff, I will get you back on
so we can show some of these great videos, because
you know they're really great. And I also want to
say hi to all the listeners out there. If you
have questions for Jeff, please make sure you write all
of those in upper case so we can pop them
up here on the screen and get those questions answered
(02:28):
for you. Also, throughout the episode, I'm gonna ask three questions.
We're gonna keep them kind of easy for the first
month or two, but if you get all three questions correct,
and you go to a Rocky Mountain Ranch Research forward
slash podcast Rockymountain Ranch Research dot org forward slash Podcast.
(02:48):
There's a form there and you can just drop your
answers in there, and I will be sending out a
free PDF for all of those who get it right.
There's the website right on down there. Hi, Elizabeth, my
sister I said, Oh, you remember Elizabeth. She stayed at
Mount Wilson Ranch for two nights late September. Was very
interesting to stay. Oh you'll have to write in there,
Elizabeth if you experienced anything that's really awesome. I want
(03:12):
to encourage everybody to go to Mount Wilson Ranch dot
com and book a stay, because, I mean, beautiful skies
hey by Patrick. So yeah, it's a wonderful place to
go and kind of really fascinating. I really do want
to start, Jeff with how you came to own Mount
(03:32):
Wilson Ranch. I kind of mentioned that you were kind
of looking to get away, and then boom, here you
are in the midst of all of.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
This, basically reading a listing in a twenty five cent
newspaper article that started the whole thing. Here I am,
here you are half years later.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Ye weren't you kind of looking just to kind of
get away from it all peace and quiet.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And exactly, you know, by a place in the middle
of nowhere, you know, build a little clubhouse in the middle,
sell some property, or you know, give some property to
friends and family and make a little community, that type
of idea. You know, I saw this place and it
was the built in clubhouse right here.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And I love where you're sitting right now. You're sitting
at your saloon. So tell for those who don't know
about visiting Mount Wilson Ranch, what does one expect when
they get there, Like, tell us about the property. You're
building so many rooms, you have things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, we were never really going to open this place
for like the public. We kind of did group events
hosted gold mining, and once those people were coming, we
started experiencing a lot of the action of Mount Wilson.
So then we started opening up in multiple other levels.
(04:50):
We're just going slow.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It's a unique thing, you know, like you said, going
from this being my private little place in the middle
of nowhere to you know, things we have no real
clue or you know, an amazing journey. That's all I
could say. Or what we're experiencing.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
What was the first like, how did you know? Where
did you when you bought the property? Did you know
about the connection to Bob Bigelow and that Skinwalker Ranch
on both Mount Wilson and skin Walk Ranch at the
same time. When did you learn that and how did
you find that out? What was like the first clue
that you were like sitting on someplace pretty special?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, I bought this directly from mister Bigelow. Okay, yeah,
even before I purchased it. You know, there was a
lot involved in the purchase of it, So I had
a lot of meetings in between, and I you know,
I think I got to know mister Bigelow a little bit,
and you know, he told me a bunch of things
that I thought was you know, I just shrugged it off.
(05:51):
It wasn't real, you know, it was just stuff that
he was saying. I mean, even though you know we
all have learned, you know what we know now, back then,
you know, it wasn't this deep. And knowing what he
told me then and knowing where I am now, it's
been an amazing journey.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So so when you bought it from him, were you
aware of Skinwalker Ranch and all the goings on, and
did he talk about that with you or the history
of the place at all, or did you just didn't
want to give up any information, Like what was he
like in person? For many of us, Bob Bigelow is
this mysterious guy, you know, So what can you tell
us in the audience about kind of how he was
with you?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, it was definitely a business transaction, you know, it
was a purchase of a property. Not much, you know,
like the buildings, this building that we're sitting in the saloon.
You know, he talked a lot about that, not a
lot about what was done here. You know, he did,
you know, he said things later where he clarified on
(06:49):
the Jeffrey Bishlow podcast why he bought this place, you know,
And he had told me he bought it as a
research laboratory. He bought it because light phenomena on a
lot of lights entering mountains, you know, vibrations in the ground,
you know, And he had said this to me, and
I just at that point really didn't that wasn't any
(07:12):
factor in anything. It just didn't It wasn't real at
that point, I guess you would say, you know, it
was just said to me and I'm like, oh, yeah, whatever,
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Speaking of it, Speaking of interesting people out there, I'm
going to pop up some pictures I found in doctor
Leo Sprinkle's files. And I know you've seen these before,
but I love this one in particular because not only
did I have the photograph, but I had the back
of the photograph that had all the names, and I
think it's a really interesting. Let me kind of move
our screen here, so we're side to side here, So
(07:45):
this picture here, we see some people we all know
and love and recognize, from Bob Bigelow to Linda Moulton
Howe to Stephen Greer, John Mack, doctor Leo Sprinkle. Love
a doctor Leo Sprinkle. But then we have some interesting people.
I kind of want you to talk about the Rockefellers, Jeff,
(08:06):
what are Mary and Lawrence Rockefeller doing there? And you
know some of these other names I'm not really familiar with,
but it's quite a group of people that were out
there researching. And this one here, let me just pop
this this This one was taken near there, but this
is actually out Mount Wilson Ranch, and we'll get to
that in a minute, but let's jump back to this one.
(08:26):
For just a second, and let's talk about you know,
the Rockefellers. Didn't you have a recent visit from some
of the Rockefellers.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I was contacted twice by a gentleman named David Rockefeller.
You know, I of course looked up this name just
to see who this was. I couldn't find much on
the person himself. But David showed up and David explained
who he was, you know, completely related to some of
the people that you see in that picture. And he
(08:58):
explained a few things, and he told me a few things,
and he went off somewhere on my property to go
see this portal.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
How interesting is that? I mean it makes one question
what were these guys aware of and when? And can
you name an of these folks here in this photo?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, you have doctor Tim Ryan down there on the
bottom left. He to me is one of the most important.
I mean, of course you have how Jacques play, mister Bigelow,
I leave comb Keller's there. Wadsworth is the girl in
the back. Mister Davis, I believe is another one. You know,
(09:49):
there's there's there's all of our key players up on
the property and doctor Tim Ryan in the background with
his paperwork.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Why didn't you just love to know what the heck
is on that paper for work? I may truly?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Can you imagine? I mean all the patents, everything that
this guy was in charge of, and that came out
like exactly when this picture was taken in nineteen ninety six,
ninety seven, ninety eight. His patents are on real.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, not a lot of people. I never really hear
anybody talk about him, but you know, to myself, he
is one, and he's still around. You know, he's still
doing what he does. I believe he's a Northrop Grumman
guy and he's still building things like Manta Ray's and
doing stuff like that. I mean, it's an unbelievable how
(10:39):
this is all connected. You know, we call it the
wall of dots that we have. We have dots everywhere
all over our wall. But all the different stories things
and everything and the connectors, and he's a key element
and everything around here.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I agree. And when you purchase a property, Jeff, I
mean it kind of came with some They didn't clear
it out. In other words, some things left behind, right,
And I think one of the things you took us
back actually behind where you are there's a cool room
back there behind the saloon, and there were some projectors
and light displays, and can you talk about perhaps maybe
(11:13):
what these guys were doing with those lights.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know, Jacques Vallet and close encounters of the third kind,
low mission sound light waves. We duplicated some of those
things on Beyond skin Walker, as you remember, and we
had response from the ground. So whatever it is again
(11:37):
beyond me. I'm just a guy that just bought this place,
right but its eighteen plus years later and it's turned
into it's a wonderful adventure. You know, when you go
from like a regular world, regular life and then you
switch to this, there is truly way more than we
could ever ever imagined.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That is so true. In a question for you, have
you ever heard unusual sounds or hums or bangs out
there on the property.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh, that's one of the big ones. You know. You
put your head down in the pillow at night and
there's different tones that come through your pillow and it's
this is like a quiet place. There's no noise up here,
just like you know, you know, we have sound. You know,
we have problems with our Wi Fi. We don't have
the speeds we're in the middle of nowhere. We're noted
(12:25):
for being quiet, and yeah, the sounds from the ground
are definitely there.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's so interesting. How far away are you from Area
fifty one approximately?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
If you would say, as the bird flies and a
direct line, we're seventy one miles so not that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Bird all really, and especially I don't know how big
how many acres they actually own that you can't trustpass on.
I know we've done some exploring out there. That's a
whole other episode, guys where we talk about what happened
out at Area fifty one and the camel dudes and
all that stuff. But let's just say it was a
big adventure. So they own probably a good fifty miles
(13:04):
of that. I would at least imagine we'll have to
research that. Do you know how many how many acres
or miles they own?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh, they own the entire center of Nevada, so I
would I would say, I would say it's at least
probably fifty thousand wow, yeah, square miles at least, you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Big, huge, Yeah, So if you consider that they're just
in your backyard, which yeahh is the next thing. Now
I'm going to try this, I know it's not going
to work, probably, but I want to get into Howard
Hughes and I just I wanted to play this little
clip from Earl Gray Anderson and rest in peace, Earl
(13:48):
Gray Anderson. For those of you who knew him, we
miss him dearly. Unfortunately we lost him this last year.
And he his mother worked for Howard Hughes. And to
tell this story, and I have a clip, but I
just don't think it's going to play. I'm going to
try to play it. It's a two minute clip. Let's
see if we can get it to work. Guys, fingers crossed,
(14:08):
So let me see here.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Son, you know about me working for Howard Hughes, but
what people don't know is that I had a very
very strange job working for him. She said that that
they took they sent me out, she said, with a
little security detail, a couple of security guys, to the
middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
She said that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
She emphasized there was nothing around. It was the Great
American Desert. She didn't say where, right, So I've always
thought maybe area fifty one White Sands. But she ever,
(14:51):
even as an adult, you know, I try to get better,
to give me more info. And it was like zip zip,
but she said security detail. They took me out to
what this low slum bunker. It was a concrete bunker,
a shack, that's what she called it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And she didn't know why they took were out there.
She said that she was confused whether they're going to
show her tools or tractor or something. But they unlocked
this thing had kind of an elapsed lock system.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
And nothing else there, you know, And the only thing
in this bunker was an elevator. So you know, my
mom wasn't stupid that that point. She figured out, well,
it was something that was underground, but they didn't tell
her what to expect. She got into the elevator thinking
(15:51):
she'd go down on a floor or two, and it
kept the elevator just kept going down.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Then she said it scared her.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
She said, I had butterflies in my stomach, that's how
she described it. And h but the door opened up
and she, oh.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We tried, all right, let me let me get Earl down.
Preston peace, Earl, make sure to miss you. But to
sum up, he said his mother worked for Howard Hughes
and that she was brought to this underground city Okay,
which brings us to this unusual pull on your property.
(16:54):
Can you talk about that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So exactly what Earl was talking about, which you know,
I had meetings set up to meet with him and
talk about this before he passed away, through the guidance
and through many different folks that we have met. We're
looking for that entrance. We're looking for where they scuttled
(17:19):
that and closed up that elevator shaft here on the
proper way.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Do you think it might be where you guys uncovered
this unusual Can you talk about this a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Again, Like, so we're in the middle of nowhere here
in Nevada, just like Earl Eve had said in his
little quote. There and this ornate piece of art, an
old lamp post or something of some sort, was excavated
(17:55):
out of the hole that you I brought you to.
That we pulled all that military equipment out of that
was mixed in with everything, just completely out of place.
Doesn't make any sense, you know, I'm really working on
where what that thing is?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Right, And Earl talked about his mom telling him there
was like a beauty or barber shop down there, and
like tables with yellow umbrellas, and to me that matches
what this is. I was going to play this little clip,
but maybe we can. I'm going to mute it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Get a lot of excavations, dug out a lot of things.
We know what happened here. You know, mister big o'bo,
when he had his encounter in two thousand and five,
decided to scuttle this place, burry everything, and get out
of here. Right. Something spooked him, something spooky, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Apparently common right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, in.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Our dig this thing comes out of the hole and
this thing to me, you know, I don't know. I
don't know that much about electric and I know there's
some big old wires in here.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, that's my pinky. Those things are.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, here, big copper top to it. It's a piece
I actually had that was sitting over the fight a
telebo hole power there it is?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There's that? Why does it end right? There?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Could be powering an elevator motor. Remember Dick Williams, who
was one of the previous owners, who was personal friends
with Howard Hughes. He was his main concrete contractor. Here
we are with something that looks like a form of concrete.
Here's a bunch of the other stuff that has come
out of this hole, which are giant pieces of concrete.
You talk about a concrete building. There's all of this
(19:57):
stuff that came out of there. And again it's that
old stuff, concrete with all the rocks in it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah. So are you guys continuing to dig jet out
there in that area?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yes, yeah, I don't remember how far we were when
you were here. I've moved over forty dump truck loads
of dirt. You know, I'm doing this all on my
own basically, so just you know, moving along as I
get time and as I get equipment and found the
giant burned spot. Did you get to see the burned
spot in my no?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
This is this is something you know again, you know,
in by we found gold in the hole when we
dug in this line of ancient seabed that was in there.
Not enough to make it worthwhile, but we ran you know,
we actually brought a washplant up and we're you know,
just running it just to see what the content was.
In digging the drainage for the washplant, we dug through
(20:54):
a layer of charcoal that's at least forty feet in
diameter so far from what we could find. Yeah, and
it's buried three feet in the top of that hill
that we walked on top of. So I've removed over
three feet of that dirt on the top of that
hill right there, and that. Yeah, it's a whole nother
thing that we've done. And you know, as for Roberts,
(21:17):
you remember him at all? Okay, he's the archaeologist that's now.
You know, he's on the Skinwalker Ranch series. He's on
there a lot. He's worked with me a lot in
this and I'm just awaiting him to return and we're
gonna dig into that thing a little bit because you know, again,
this is beyond me a little bit. You know, We've
we're sifting and we're pulling pieces out of there. You know,
(21:39):
I've just hit the edge of it and I stopped.
So it's just another whole section that we're you know,
involved with.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Have you dug out any more ornate pieces or anything
that really like was like, whoa, what the heck is this?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Like just one more small piece? But nothing, you know again,
nothing that makes nothing thing nice ornate to it. Probably
some brass you know again, you know why it's in
that hole with all the military equipment or everything. It
doesn't Oh and on the lamp. That was the thing
that would I need no lamp.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, how about the designs on the lamp.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, just the rust on the lamp number one. You know, Nevada,
we get surface rust, you know, it doesn't It takes
a long time for things to rust out here. That
lamp is like rusted, like something from you know along
the shore back in New Jersey, you know where moisture
rots everything. And the idea of a cavern where Earl
Graves grandmother said, our mother said that there was dripping
(22:38):
water on top. It reminds me of something that would
be in a wet environment because it was rusted completely.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's interesting. And can you talk about that there's a
little ornate oh on the lamps. What that symbol is
on there? You've done some research on that and I
think that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You know again it's it's deeper and deeper, but it
winds up being the face of pan.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
You know, can you tell us what that is?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Greek mythology, the guy that runs around with flutes and
lures people around and plays tricks. He's of the earth.
He's the earth spirit that protects the lands, similar to
our shaman, and that whole story of the land. You know,
the shaman chased mister Bigelow away. You know, it's a
(23:31):
story we know personally. You know, not a lot of
people are privy to the exact story as you know.
I would say we are. But have it be that
mister Bigelow was toying with things of earth and things
that mess with earth and he was visited by this
shaman pan winds up being a similar entity of Greek
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mythology that's been around for a long time.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Are you comfortable sharing that privy story that or are
you not comfortable sharing that?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Oh? Oh yeah, completely, you know, until you know mister
Biggli is still alive, so he could you know, he
could say whatever. You know, I would love for him
to respond to it. He was sleeping in our hotel
over there where you have the pictures of everybody standing
in front of it, and by morning, you know, he
was freaked out beyond belief from this visitation he had
(24:26):
in the middle of the night, a giant entity that
showed up. You know, his exact communication, whatever happened exactly
with him in it, who knows, but you know, the
phone people and his right man, right hand man Carl
roy Bell who was here at the time, all know
exactly what happened from that day forward, which was, you know,
(24:47):
a demand to scuggle the place, clean up the place,
and then sell the place.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So something, yeah, something happened. And it sounds to me
if that is indeed the face of Pan on that
ornate lamp post, I mean that to me is what
it is. It held light fixtures and you and Christopher
O'Brien who unfortunately lost as well. We've lost a lot
of great people in the last year or two three.
(25:16):
It's really sad. But he wrote a book in the
San Luis Ali you know of the tricksters. We do
know on some of these high strangest locations, like it
or not, there have been known occult practices or summoning
things in and what are they opening up at these
properties Rocky Mountain match included Mount Wilson, these things, and
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so you really have to be careful. And I'm talking
to everybody out there. When you start getting in and
investigating these things and you're not careful and you're not
protecting yourself and you don't have the right intentions, things
can get a little you know, trickster and mysterious and
sometimes scary. So you, Jeff, you and Nick Knack I
nicknacted by the way, do you guys have like a
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method of protecting yourself or putting positive energy in the place.
You know, I'm sure people have told you before or
warned you, like what are you doing living there?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You know, we love this place. We love the land.
You know, like you said, Nick Knack loves this place.
She loves the land. I think that's part of it.
You know, we have a lot of people that visit here.
You know, these YouTube people, I'll call them YouTube weirdos
and things. They've been chased away. They've been flat out
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you know, they get they get the visit and they
get chased away. You know, we're eighteen years old, Nick Knacks,
thirteen plus years here hanging out on the ranch, and
we're still here.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Rights. That's really an interesting answer, Jeff, because it begs
a question. Then whatever this is is intelligent and it
knows the people's intentions. And that's been the same with
Greg and his family at Rocky Mountain Ranch that it's
their home. They love the land, they love the area,
and whatever is there seems to embrace you know, the
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people that are going to care for the land and
in a sense, we're all here for a very short
time on planet or so you're a caretaker of Mount
Wilson Ranch in the land, and whatever this is knows
that and it's going to embrace you. It sounds like
so I think that's really interesting. Okay, we're going to
pop up question number one. We're going to switch gears
and talk about the Howard Hughes connection, and I'm going
(27:29):
to bring up the picture, Jeff, of the runway, and
I want you to kind of explain. Oh, let me
take this video down here. There we go. There is
the picture of the runway, and what's interesting, I kind
of want you to speak about how the runway, what
type of planes did Howard Hughes land here? How close
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is is it to Mount Wilson Ranch, And it was
my observation maybe you could speak on this how the
road almost went from the runway right to your property.
Where do you think they were doing there? What used
to be there?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
You know, we've throughout the years, we've heard so many
different stories, but this runway. Howard Hughes owned seven hundred
plus properties in Nevada, multiple you know, everything's and he
was an aviation buff This runway was I think you
remember seeing the aviation tower that's still standing there at
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a little windsock thing. Yeah, yep, it's a huge runway
and we've heard of DC.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Nines right there, that big of a plane landing out there.
Can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So going with the Earl Gray story and the idea
the runway, the jeep, we pulled two jeeps out of
that hole, all the concrete structure, all of that. You know,
we've had multiple you know, Bigelow runs the Bigelow Institute
(29:02):
of Conscious Studies. Now we've had multiple people from that
research come here and during like deep seance you know,
whatever you call it, you know, sance sessions. They all
elude to caverns, pathways underneath the US, things going on underneath,
you know, just like what we're saying here, an elevator
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leading to something ancient caverns. You know, from where we're
understanding from all the native artifacts and from the things
that we found in the ceremonial points, there must have
been a natural entrance to this thing and then man
built an elevator entrance to it and then both of
those are buried up.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Now, yeah, that sounds pretty likely given the Shaman kay
which we'll get to in a little bit, but talk
about some of the native artifacts you've found there. One
in particular, it's like what this big it's a beautiful pieces.
Was it a like a was it used for a weapon?
What was that exactly? Can you kind of share that.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well, Chris Roberts, once again, he was here and you know,
I showed him these things and he almost fell over,
and he you know, he took one of them and
he and he you know, we left the other here
and he did a bunch of research and they wound
up being from ancient ceremonies points not used for you know,
hunting or anything, but used for ceremony.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Okay, So that would just fall right in line with
maybe what the attraction is to this particular area and
a lot of these high Stranger's locations across the country
and across the world very ceremonial, very sacred oftentimes, you know.
So let's talk about the Shaman Cave. Let's can you
(30:49):
just give a little background about you know, what the
what the stories are behind it, and I'll pop up
a kind of a picture from the outside here.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Well, again just being a regular person.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
That was one of the places that we would hike to,
and one of my visits into that place, I stood
in the corner and I had this energy come through
my feet and go right out my head and it
was one two, three, three pulses that came straight through me.
And again I'm not the person that sees all the
(31:24):
ghosts and or does any of that stuff, but I
sure as felt this energy, you know, pulse through me
to the point it made me run out of there.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
It didn't feel like like there was something by making it,
like maybe a maglev train or something running under the ground. No, no,
that was no.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It came right through my feet and it went right
up through my feet and it was like an energy
verse boomow, and then it did it again boom, And
I mean it was really you know, by the time
three it hit me, I was like whoa. And there
was a YouTube guy here filming as it happened, so
you know, it kind of was funny because you know,
you actually watched me like you know, it was it
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was incredible feeling.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Well, I'm going to try and share this like thirty
second video of Tony kicking the cave and what's crazy.
It's you can hear that it sounds hollow and almost.
I mean, I would hate to do this to your
poor cave too, but you always want to smash through
it like there's there has to be a cavern or
something there because it certainly sounds hollow. So let's see
if we can play this little clip right here. Oh
(32:36):
come on, it's only one more kick. You kind of
heard it right there. I promise, guys, I'm going to
pay that extra forty dollars and get this.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
There's that little corner I was standing in too, right
that was then standing. Yeah, that was that spot where
I was just hanging out.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Oh right there, right where he's standing. Yep, was the
spot where you had that happen. And so he's kicking
this guys, and you can hear it's hollow. So yeah,
it just makes you wonder, like, gosh, what's behind it?
You know? And can you talk about are there any
like water features on your property because that's a commonality
a lot of these places have, along with what kind
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of geologic like rocks and minerals are found there. I
just I'm curious it kind of if it matches up
to some of these other locations. I'm sure that it does,
but I want to hear it from you.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
So we're on the western side of the Mount Wilson
Range and Crawl Creek, which is one of the main
watersheds from Mount Wilson, runs right through the property in
an old fault line. There's multiple volcanic vents on the property.
You know, this is an all in an old caldera
and you know, volcano complex from many years ago. There's
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a lot of underground water in the fault lines, you know.
You know, it's even though it's Nevada and we're in
the middle of nowhere, there's you know, underneath the here,
there's you know, in that fault there's definitely a lot
of water down there.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Seems like a magical formula, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, around here, especially.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Right. Okay, now we're really gonna start things up a
little bit. Everybody conspiracy theory time. I'm gonna pop this
picture up and Jeff, you could talk about it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh So, throughout my years of being here at Mount Wilson,
multiple people have brought to me this picture and this
idea that Robert Bigelow is one of Howard Hughes's children
or a child of Howard Hughes. But he's a relative
of Howard Hughes, which would put this runway, put everything together.
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Why he was back here, Why Dick Williams was here,
you know, which was Howard Hughes's main concrete contractor. And
then before them Noraz people that were involved with this property.
This sounds like it goes back to it was known
in the early nineteen hundreds what something was here, something
was going on.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Well, it would tie it all together very neatly. And
Howard hugh was in fact, I think he didn't he
like Pioneer the town of Poch which is really close
to you, Is that correct.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I mean he did a lot in Nevada. You know,
he got that site, you know, area fifty one that
was all his. You know, everything in Nevada was basically his.
He flew all around the state, you know, like these
little runways and you know you were here. That's a
runway behind the little mountain that used to be called
Squaw Knoll. I don't know what they changed it to.
(35:41):
They got rid of that name, but he why was
that runway behind that knoll?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
You know?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And then you know, a Air Force guy just passed
away up here not too long ago, and his daughter
was talking to Knickknack and explained to her like multiple jets,
like this was a jet runway. Small cargo planes were
coming here, almost like you know, if they were scuttling
a city from underneath or something from underneath. You know,
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they were just loading at planes and flying of the way.
I think you remember if Mount Wilson Road had some
pavement on it, you know, remember we're in the middle
of nowhere, and that pavement is like old from wayback,
you know, sixties, seventies, way back.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
And of course we're always thinking aliens and ets and
the mysterious side of things, but there's also other nefarious,
very earthly things that could have been going on as well,
different kind of smuggling or weapons smuggling or who knows what.
What's the most interesting thing you've learned about Howard Hughes
in the research you've done on him.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He was all aviation. His relatives were Orville and Wilver,
you know, the original plane flyers, you know, so they
were always into aviation. Flying Howard Hughes, it sounds like
what after well, we all you know, if you watch
the movies or he's you know, you just read about him.
He went nuts when he figured out something. You know,
(37:06):
he totally lost his mind, locked himself in a place,
you know, let his finger. You know, he was like
he grew crazy, like he became aware of something.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I laugh and say, yeah, he became aware of Pan.
You know, like this idea that this entities are here
and they do protect you know, we know, like you
said before, the occultists, you know whatever these people knew,
doctor Colonel Alexander. How put off these guys are. We
don't know what they're really into, you know, and what
this really relates to that Pan being on there. You
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know Pan is you know when I started looking him up,
you know, like how we talk about myself, but you
have talked about our pasts, you know, things that we
don't really know about. When I started reading about Pan,
it brought back something.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Oh yeah, that makes me want that that's really interesting,
which kind of just flows really nicely. Le's go ahead
and throw a question number two for me, please, but
that kind of ties nicely. I believe it was the
first time I no, it was the second time I visited.
And you know, you have this wonderful building where you
can go and have breakfast and coffee in the morning,
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and the big fireplace is there. It's like a great room. Actually,
right in the same building you're in right now, right
there was a bathroom that connects those two rooms, and
I go into the bathroom and I come out and
I asked, Jeff, Yeah, has this the corb been changed
since like the late seventies, you know, and you're You're like, no,
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I'm like, was this ever a girl Scout camp? And
your answer was yes, yes, because I had memory. So
there's a very unique toilet seat in the girl's bathroom
which is orange and it has an owl on it,
and this very memorable wallpaper that I remembered, and the
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carpet I remember it. I remembered being in that building
at a girl Scout camp making little popsicle stick with
yarn crafts and stuff. Now, what's interesting was it a
Mormon girl Scout camp?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Were there just there a few different camps here over
the years, you know, from Catholic to just retreats to
Mormons too, you know. There it was all sorts, you know,
and that was even before. Yeah, there was a lot
of things going on here that are definitely unexplained.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, and I'm like, holy spots. I believe when I
was young, I went to girl Scout camp right there.
I have very few memories of it, but it was
just one of those things like the toilet seat, the wallpaper,
the carpeting, and that that flash of memory. So I
think that's a really interesting like what is all that about?
Which really begs the question like, really, what what are
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these people you mentioned, Colonel Alexander? What are they privy to?
What do they know? What are they trying to control?
Like if you go back into the Illuminati and these
kind of things, in this power of our consciousness and
you know, maybe we can control reality and these kind
of deep thinking. Is that truly the secret? And not
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next necessarily the ets and craft, but some other form
of magic or mysticism? And were they experience experimenting with
that they're at Mountainsson Ranch.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Oh to me, it's it's you know again, I think,
did I tell you the story of the coin from Australia?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I think you did, but you need to tell our listeners.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
So again, so I don't see ghosts. I don't you
know a lot of this stuff, you know, it's you know,
I've heard a lot of stories abouta but I had
to myself. I walked out of my house and I
had a voice, you know how I and I say,
you're oh, you're not because you hear voices in your head. Right,
that's what they've told us, that's what they've projected movies. Well,
I have a lot of noises going on in my
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head that I listened to. Well, one day it was specific.
It said go find it, straight out, go find it.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Find it.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
It's like in field of dreams. If you build it,
they will.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Come with amazing reality for myself because anything that I've
ever questioned is one hundred percent clear now, and it's
one hundred percent clear that everything is really like way
beyond what we know. Anyway, I go find it. I
go out into property. I don't nothing, you know, I
feed the animals, do all the stuff, do much things,
and I come back up. I get back by my
(41:31):
truck again, and this time the go find it was
so loud that I actually let out verbally, go find what?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
So I go through the property and lo and behold.
I get down to the lower section of property, down
by the workshop, and there's a beautiful quarter sitting on
the ground. But it's not a quarter. It winds up
being you know, it's got a ten on it, it's
got a lady on it. But now that my eyes
are failing a little bit, I couldn't see it. So
I'm walking up towards the top and Nick knacks up
(42:02):
there on the hotel. I asked her to read it.
She reads out the aus you know, she gets out that,
and I'm like, no way, it's an Australian coin. Now again,
why is there an Australian coin? Because two hours from then,
these two ladies, Lynn and Lynnette from Australia were arriving
at the ranch, and yeah, this coin shows up on
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the property. It was really neat that big coincidence, right,
all of that, la la lah. But their stories once
I told them and they had arrived here about that coin.
What happened to them in Las Vegas with that exact
ten cent piece? They lost it in their hotel room.
They had an entire collection of Australian coins that they
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were bringing to us as a gift, you know, to
the ranch. And they also had two pictures from the
the natives of Australia that they had drawn to bring
to the ranch. So that whole connection. They somehow dropped
the coin and rolled under the bed at the Plaza casino.
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They couldn't find it. They made a big joke of it,
just leave it under the bed as a tip. I
found it on the ground through a voice that actually
told me to go find this thing. And this is
you know, for me, I don't see it, you know,
none of that, But this was like wow, straight out
and how does that do that? David and mister Bigelow
(43:29):
told me about the portal? So to me, now, portals
are one hundred pcent real, how they work?
Speaker 1 (43:37):
What it is? You know?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I can't wait to find out, right.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
No kidding. I mean I've heard of the Navajo rangers
talk about these coins dropping just reporting in, you know,
like many times for them. And I'm thinking, you know,
some of these ancient secret societies have they learned to
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somehow control that in a way? Do you know what
I'm saying? Like if I'd be like, can you make
a portal here and drop a bunch of those coins
down for me? I mean, I don't know that. That
story blows my mind and it makes you really question
all of reality and how things actually work.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
One hundred percent and you remember did you see the sword?
Remember the sword?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Knights at Epitheis templar sword.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Oh that was found on your property.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, and I never released it from a cheap because
I bent it from writing over in my ATV. So
I just keep it as a souvenir. One day i'll
open it. I want to see a Rockefeller name on it.
That's like my dream. You want to see what the
Rockefeller name inscribed on the writings on the sword itself.
Have that be what this all relates back to. This
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will be incredible.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
What will it take for you to open that up
and look the.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Right person the right moment. You know, I've just been
you know, like everything else. There's so many different things
going on, and you know, I just come from a
regular person thing. Yeah, we're working away at it. And
now that that thing happened, you know, I've really paused
things because this is absolutely beyond anything that I could
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have ever imagined, you know in real life, you know,
as it was known before this.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, it's like ex caliber, right, maybe it's I mean,
do you believe this? I certainly do, But I want
to know if you believe like things happen when they're
meant to happen, and you find the right clues when
you're meant to find them. Do you feel kind of
led towards this ultimate puzzle piece, like you're finding these
clues you said, your wall of dots. Do you feel
(45:52):
like that's very much in play or is it just happenstance?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Oh, it's very much in play. You know this this
idea of the simulation. You know that we're living this
whole thing. I I would have never even considered that.
You know, people have been bringing that to me for
years now. You know, it's like it's like things are
just clicking click click click, you know, even being here,
you know, mister Bigelow letting me purchase this place. You know,
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there was a lot of stipulations, you know, the things
I had to do. You know, I almost feel like
he hand picked before it, you know, and again in
a guessing situation or as part of the simulation, you know,
this is where I'm supposed to be. I'm sitting right
exactly where you know I am, and we are definitely
in line with something.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Do you think there's a way that just you know,
everybody can be more in tune to looking for the path,
the purpose, the sign, the clues along the way. Is
there something you do in particular that kind of helps
increase the synchronicities or is it just you know, you're
kind of we're put in this position for a reason.
(47:04):
Maybe you know why, maybe you don't, but certainly something
is at play. Is there a way people can tune
more into that.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
I actually there's something I would say to listen to.
You know, I always had talk in my head going on.
You know, we have things going on, some of us, don't.
You know. I've learned about this over the years as well,
so the inner workings and everything that's going on in
your head. You know, you watch a movie or you
(47:31):
watch like a TV program, or you know something they
teach you that you're crazy or you're a psycho. You know,
he hears voices in his head. He's a nut. I
think you need to listen to those voices a little more,
so you know, straight out, you know, just listen to
that a little more. It's almost like your inner communication
with something further than what we are. And I listen
(47:54):
to that a lot. I'm I'm an instant guy. You know,
you don't I don't hesitate one split anything, you know.
I listened to my dude, you know, he so just listen,
listen to your inner self. You're not a nut, you know,
just go with it.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I think that's a really important message, because you're right.
We're all programmed to have these beliefs and maybe, you know,
sort of like the MK ultra programming, which we're all
a victim of in one form or another form or another,
the programming of society, and we were programmed to believe
that because they want to keep us dumb down. They
don't want us to have our own power to listen
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to our gut, our intuition, and to know, you know,
that we are the creators of our realities. And so
I think you're right on with that, and for me
in particular, I've always been very cautious of that, having
a half brother that was institutionalized, you know, in the
sixties and the seventies, when they were just throwing away
everybody in locking the key, so in doing horrible experiments
(48:53):
on these people as well. Let's go ahead and throw
up question number three. I can't believe how fast this
time fly, but I kind of want to just finish
up with well, no, we didn't even get to these prints. Okay, okay,
we only have tech, so we gotta get this. So
we're walking up to the shaman gave right, and there
was scattered snow on the ground, and what do we
(49:16):
see come out of nowhere? And I'm going to try
and run this little video so it's like a minute
maybe and hopefully it's not super topic. But let's let's
try this.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
To the right to see if anybody who had a
fake footprint. It's a weird.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
It's like we just walked all the way up.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Here and there was not one footprint anywhere.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
No, and they just start there there, they just start.
They're not coming from there, They're not coming from over here.
There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
And like you said, it is weird. Those are coming
straight down kind of.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I mean they might go.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
I don't know where they were here.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
It's like there's someone much larger and something much smaller inside.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
That was a pretty wild thing for a couple of reasons.
So I'm gonna throw these these pictures here. So here's funny,
funny backstory on this. I don't know if you can
see it in the picture, but do you remember, Jeff
I was trying to throw a quarter. I do I
get the snow. I'm like, well, that's not gonna work.
So if you go up there now, you'll say you'll
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find like seventy five cents those where those tracks are.
But have you ever seen like cryptids or sasquatch or
anything like that? And what the heck are there bear
up there? I mean, they just came out of nowhere
and they're just like what they were, like how many
of these things? And these seemed kind of close together,
but those other ones were like six feet and then disappeared.
(50:51):
So can you talk about any cryptid sightings or anything
like that? But those are weird.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
So that spot, if there was no snow, that's the uh.
There's a circle, an ancient circle sorts, you know, just
an old rock mound there. We've done a lot of
measurements in there. It's it's wild because you could go
in that circle and out of that circle, and you know,
with instruments, there's completely different greetings. There's something oh yeah,
(51:19):
oh yeah, it's it's it. And that's why it's funny
that you know, we saw this thing that just popped
out of nowhere and made the footprints or prints in
the snow.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
And and also I can remember as we're walking up
that crime scene tape, where did that come from?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
You know, again, a lot more people are you know,
kind of getting what's happening around here. So people are
showing up and you know, we get a little bit
of you know, things people are doing now. So that
was just something somebody.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Put people don't mess with Mount Wilson Ranch. That is
not very nice. I mean, this is your home, your property,
and it's not cool so delivered in that. But it
makes you wonder. I never thought of that theory because, yeah,
there's that circle of rocks and they had something like
a skull in the middle of it. I don't know
(52:15):
if I have a picture of that, but yeah, those
prints were just right outside of that circle. So did
something come out with that area?
Speaker 2 (52:24):
That's interesting again, And as far as people doing things
like that, that's where we kind of myself and Nicknack
laugh about it because we hear a lot of stories
of you know, people you know taking things from here
and paying a price for it, you know, bad sicknesses, illnesses,
(52:45):
you know, things have happened over the years where you know,
even for my sake, you know, this thing maybe helps
me out, you know, it's for somebody's track, you know,
the people that just don't bring good with them, That's right.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Karmel's a bitch.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, And you know the hitch hiker effect. You know,
I think it's in full effect around here. You know,
I don't even know if to necessarily do anything. You
know it, you know, and we've come to you know,
we know it is anity. You know, it is a protector.
You know, it's it's strong.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah. In the last seven minutes, since we're the trifecta here,
we talk about UFOs, Luis and Cryptis. In the last
seven minutes or the last five minutes, tell us some
of the best ghost stories coming from Mount Wilson Ranch
that you've heard. We're experienced that.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
That hotel over there is definitely a hot spot for
an entity that you know, apparently it can't communicate with me.
You know, they say that I'm a blockhead. You know,
I've heard a lot of things from the I call
them the witches. But there are people that are from
the big old Institute Concious Studies in their connections with it.
(53:58):
All it wants us to do is protect the land
and keep things, you know, like I have instructions not
to cut down any more tree. You know, there's a
bunch of different things that we've been like kind of instructed,
which again I'm listening to them. You know, I'm taking
it easy here. You know, everybody's like dig dig dig
dig dig dig. You know I did dig, but now
I'm I'm paused. Yeah, you know, I'm not just doing
(54:18):
things just to do them or just because you know,
TV people or people want me to do them. Now
we're gonna We're just going to go forward cautiously, you know,
to protect the land type of thing, go slow, right.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Have you ever encountered a ghost yourself where not really
they stay away from you. What about Nick Knack?
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Nothing really ghostly. You know, we get a lot of
you know, raised hairs and things, you know, through the
building here. But we live here, you know, so we
don't even want that to happen. I mean, we have
a lot of the paranormal people coming here. There's every
time they're here, there's you know, it's it's neat to watch.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's that you because I can't remember hanging
out there right where you're sitting in the bar, and
right above you is an upstairs, so it's very like
Western Town very cool, and we saw a shadow go
across and the weird little lights, like the little strange
very lights. Maybe you're just so acclimated you just you know.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Oh, like shadow guy is normal. He's always here. I mean,
you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see shadow guys around.
I mean, yes, we have our our things. You know,
you remember in the hallway over here, and yeah there's
a lot, but it's it's okay. You know that stuff's okay.
That doesn't you know what is it? It's a shadow guy.
(55:43):
You know what does that mean? I have no idea.
You know, it doesn't follow us, you know, it's part
of it. It's you know, and we're going to figure it.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
That's why I love it because with all these thoughts,
knowledge is coming. And you know, remember we talked about
we got a lot more to talk about, like you said,
like that power line in Meadow, that one underground, the
night crew, and there's so much to this that just
doesn't make sense for.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Sure, and I think there's so much more work to do.
One thing that surprised me about I mean, the little
bit time. Time is my enemy because I would love
to dig more and more on Howard Hughes stuff is
hard to find them, but I have fun on archives
that I one day I'll get to and pull a
lot of these Howard Hughes. Even in the Eisenhower archives,
there's a whole blocks of Howard Hughes, you know, correspondence
(56:30):
to stuff. What I didn't realize that Howard Hughes was
like contact in the desert. They have the integratron and
that stuff. I didn't realize he was there and was
really interested in UFOs and that kind of stuff. I
did not know that. I thought it was just all
aviation d Dad, but he was very much aware of
the UFO phenomenon. So perhaps the clues are still coming
(56:54):
when they're meant to be uncovered and found. And you know, what,
do you think Jef to kind of close it up here?
We've got a couple more minutes left. What are you hoping?
What's the end game here? What are we hoping to
kind of figure out with all of these high strangers,
not just Mount Wilson Ranche, but all of this stuff,
Like what would just be like, yes, this is it.
(57:16):
Finally we have the answers.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
I would say, you know what has been hidden from us?
You know we know that like manifesting and the whole.
We know that that's real, how it works, the mechanisms,
you know, how you can like portle something through. It's known,
it has to be known. You know they figured this out.
(57:38):
I would love to know how to do it, like
you know, privy to what they know, because you know
I touch on it all the time. You know, you
have you know, we've talked about this. We do this
stuff all the time. It's just we would be nice
to know what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah, that's true, That is true. We at the top
of the show we were talking about World great and
and his mom that worked for Howard Hughes. So rest
in peace, Earl. We miss you. And I know he
is on the other side cheering Jeff on, cheering Katie
on and everybody else that is looking for these answers,
(58:16):
because I know for Earle he would all love to
have been able to put the pieces together for his
mom and that whole Howard Hughes connection. And I know
Mount Wilson Ranch you're sitting on, no pun intended of
gold mine of clues that I think we'll be able
to You'll be able to uncover slowly when you're listening
(58:38):
to that little voice telling you dig here, dig here,
you know, and you're gonna get there. I truly believe that.
Are there any last minute questions for anybody for Jeff
out there, we can ask him really quick as we
wind this up. I really appreciate you all being here,
and I hope that you all go to Mount Wilson
(59:00):
and ranch check out there. Oh thank you. I go,
you know, make some reservations, go out there for a vacation.
It's a fun place to go, walk around the land.
It's awesome. I really encourage that. And who knows, you
might see a shadow figure or a little little light
orb and the sky out there is beautiful. Do you
(59:21):
ever see like orbs lights in the sky? I know
I did both two times. I was looking up, just
going from the hotel room to the saloon. You look
up and maybe they're just drawn to me, but I
see I saw stuff both times out there, so I'm
sure that's pretty often.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
This sky is so alive, is incredible.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
I just came back from a little journey, you know,
and coming back, I was staring up the sky last night,
and you know, I almost got dizzy because there was
I saw probably nine satellites going in every different direction
or multiple speeds, every different color. You know, it's and
again is it exactly? You know, the low level lights,
(01:00:02):
the lights that worked in the mountain, you know, like
like Shadow guy right to us, the lights and the
phenomena like that. It's it's normality here because it's so dark,
it's so clear, it's so quiet. It's normal. But again,
you know what is it? It's nothing to be afraid
of type of things.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Oh, absolutely not. The energy there is great. The energy
there is wonderful. It's a wonderful place to visit and Skylisee.
So I hope you all make it out there, and
thank you, Jeff. I can't thank you enough for being
on the show. And I hope we'll get out there
again soon, maybe next spring. We'll stop by and hang
out with you and Nick Knack. It's always a pleasure
talking to you. And the mystery continues. We've got a
(01:00:44):
lot more work to do for Earl and for everybody
else out there. We want to find answers like the
rest of you, and I hope you all have a
wonderful rest of your week and we will be live
next Wednesday, Night seven. To eight pm on the standard time. Again,
thank you Jeff for being here and have a great
week and say hi to Nicknact for me and everybody
out there, take care of cover. Thank you you are
(01:01:07):
at the Snippy event.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Thank you, and thank everyone for checking us out.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Thank you Katie, thank you, good bye, good bye,
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