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Speaker 1 (00:01):
There was a Stephen Bartlett podcast, gary Stevenson
and Daniel Priestley trying tofigure out the state of the
economy.
I thought I wouldn't have anopinion, but the more you two
are talking I'm getting pissedright off inside.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
My problem at the moment is I resent paying taxes
because nothing's being donewith the money.
Well, it is.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It's being fucking wasted.
There's a fucking cost ofliving crisis, but you wouldn't
know it because everyone's usingcredit cards.
It just doesn't sit right.
His stories don't add up.
That's where we're different.
If you're determined, you'llfind a way.
If you're not determined,you'll find an excuse.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
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Speaker 1 (00:57):
Welcome back to the Untold Podcast.
Look, it's a Thursday episode.
It's a special.
We are jumping on the hypetrain.
We're jumping on the bandwagon.
Thursday episode.
It's a special.
We are jumping on the hypetrain.
We're jumping on the bandwagon.
Anyone that's been living undera rock, get yourself from under
it.
Because there was a StephenBartlett podcast, the Diary of a
CEO.
He had on Gary Stevenson andDaniel Priestley and he had
himself in there as well, and hegot involved more than usual,
(01:20):
and the three of them weretrying to figure out the state
of the economy, weren't they?
And basically, they all playedtheir greatest hits and it ended
up being this ridiculous viralmachine, didn't it?
And we're jumping on thatbandwagon because when something
goes viral, you do the samebleeding thing.
That's it Right, and it'sinteresting, though, isn't it?
(01:40):
Because there's so muchpsychology behind it.
There's so much when it comesto personal branding.
There's so much psychologybehind it.
There's so much when it comesto personal branding.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
There's so much about each individual message each of
them gives, and we want tounpack it.
And I thought that you've gotsomeone that's successful in
economics and someone that'svery successful in business all
talking what they want to talk.
So I thought, why not the threeof us, who are three normal
people who have not mademillions betting on the economy
and who have not got eight, ninefigure businesses?
Let's unpack it together, loveit.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Basically the people they're all talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, we are the people that are talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
But I've got to be honest.
So I relate to Gary Stevensonso much because he's saying the
things that someone in mybackground would always aspire
to be.
We were the working class kidsplaying football in the streets,
looking up saying we wanted tobe rich like that.
There's holes in his story.
There's holes in his story andI really liked him because he
burst onto the scene.
It feels like about two, threemonths ago, didn't it?
(02:38):
And he's throwing himself outonto right wing media being this
champion of the people.
I fell onto right wing mediabeing this champion of the
people.
It just seems a little bit much.
And then what do you mean?
He's a professional cameraspeaker.
He is, he is.
He knows exactly what he'sdoing.
I mean, he says a lot of truth.
He does say a lot of truth, butyou know, we've got to remember
these people were very good atwhat they do and they're doing
(03:01):
it for a reason.
He's not coming on camera everysingle day just to get his
point across.
He's working very hard on hisown brand.
Yeah, I completely agree withthat.
So, for anyone that didn't seeit.
Basically you had thisthree-way divide.
You had Daniel Priestley andStephen Bartlett, who
represented the entrepreneur.
Stephen Bartlett, who 10 yearsago, was basically asking Uber
(03:21):
Eats for discounts, nickingstuff off the doorsteps and
stuff like that.
Then you've got Gary Stevenson,who is a working class boy who
went to be a trader, wentthrough the London School of
Economics, went to be a traderin Canary Wharf, bets on the
economy, bets on the economygoing down and made millions off
the back of our downfall.
Then his argument is that youshould tax the rich more, more,
(03:45):
more, more, more, because in thewealth growing in the upper
classes it's draining theeconomy in the middle classes.
That's what his argument is andthe rich need to bail out the
country.
Then, on the flip side, you'vegot Daniel and Stephen talking
about how it's actually possibleto achieve financial freedom.
(04:07):
Should you choose the rightmethod and determine yourself
and make perseverance andresilience and all that good
stuff?
Where do you lie?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So I'm very much in the middle of both their
arguments.
So, yes, the economy is fucked.
The middle of both theirarguments.
So, yes, the economy is fucked.
Um, I feel, um, I feel thatthey're already taxing everybody
too much and I don't think theway to save the economy is by
taxing the rich because, likedaniel says, they will just
(04:39):
leave.
I think, the uk.
Why are everybody?
Why is everybody flooding tothese places?
That's a bit of a tax haven.
Why are these big corporationslike Amazon, facebook?
Why, every time do I pay £1,000to Google?
It doesn't go to a UK company,it goes to there.
No, there's no VAT being paid,et cetera.
I think the way is to make theUK more inviting for these
(05:05):
entrepreneurs to come, not taxthe hell out of them.
My problem at the moment is Iresent paying taxes because
nothing's being done with themoney.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's it.
Well, it is.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It's being fucking wasted.
It's being fucking wasted,that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't mind paying more tax if I knew the roads
weren't going to have holes inthem.
It's so stupid.
All we care about on aday-to-day are your bins on time
.
Have you got bins big enough todo everything?
Oh, can you move out of yourdriveway without a pothole going
through to help?
Me and you have had tires godown in the last two days, and
the buses, the doctors.
I don't mind paying taxes, butwe're paying more tax than ever
(05:42):
and those things are all gettingworse.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, yeah and so that that's the thing for me,
like I've.
I've said this for a while andI'll.
This is my opinion.
I think if you make corporationtax 10, if everybody had a flat
rate tax of 20, then 10 ofsomething is better than 40 of
nothing, and I think that's theway we're going.
(06:03):
Millions and millions andthousands of pounds is just
leaving our economy every day,and Gary is right in what he
says because the middle class Idon't feel there's a middle
class anymore.
I worked in a retail space andour business was middle class
people doing bathrooms, kitchens, renovations that fell off a
cliff.
Literally, that customer felloff a cliff.
(06:25):
So you're either now you'reeither high end or you're low
end, and that's the thing.
People haven't got the money.
Everything's going up.
We're being squeezed taxeseverywhere.
I saw a kia starmer posted theother day.
I'm doing something for thebritish 1.6 billion pound to
increase potholes what are youdoing following that?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
well, it's on's on LinkedIn and it's I shouldn't do
.
You're right, I told you not towatch the news.
You're right, I shouldn't do.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But it's quite interesting because I put a
comment on it and said you couldprobably do it for a billion
quid if you held the companiesdoing the fixes accountable.
They've just fixed one on ourestate.
It's a small little estate.
They just fixed one.
It was massive like the GrandCanyon in the middle of the road
Three weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
it's already come out .
Have you noticed?
What we're already doing inthis chat is that we're taking
the concepts that Gary, danieland Stephen made and we've taken
it down to the working, thebottom level.
Yeah, because those guyshaven't got the capability to do
that anymore.
No, that's where we'redifferent.
That's where they're notrelatable.
None of them are relatable.
What do you reckon?
Well, I'll be totally honestwith you.
(07:28):
When we discussed that we weregoing to do this, I thought I
wouldn't have an opinion, butthe more you two are talking,
I'm getting pissed right offinside.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I knew you would, I knew you would and I knew you'd
have something to say that thiswhole debate of like tax the
rich.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It pulls me right back to the people that don't
have money.
Because what is the fuckingpoint in trying to better
yourself and become a richperson if you're going to be
punished?
That's why people don't succeedenough because they're squeezed
.
Why would you want to wake upone morning at five o'clock in
the morning and work yourbollocks off all day to then go
and pay 60% tax when you can getyour rent paid for, you can get
(08:05):
your fucking food bill, yourfood tickets or whatever you get
from the government for yourfood, and you get your child
maintenance and everything youget for nothing.
Actually, when you do better,you get squeezed.
That's it.
What's the point?
You can understand why peopledon't want to better themselves.
I'm getting wound up.
now I can actually feel myselfgetting wound up.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Now I can actually feel myself.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I believe it so I was , I was proper into my politics
until about a couple of yearsago.
Now, to be fair, I've taken myfoot off the gas, the reason
being, whoever the government isin charge, they're being told
what to do by about 200 civilservants.
Now, the worst tories ever gotbooted out.
This year, labor have come in.
It's the same fucking 200 civilservants.
So when sarma stands up thereand he's got that two-bob little
(08:44):
thing on his plateau, renovate,achieve.
That's because he's got two-bobcivil servants working in the
comms department that havealready pissed off the country
and they're all still there.
Clear the lot.
Anyway, going back to the 80s,margaret Thatcher made people
buy their own council houses andin doing so, she turned a load
of working class people intomiddle class, because all of a
(09:05):
sudden, she created this middleclass.
You now own your home where themiddle class were going oh,
look at us, we're the middleclass.
When they weren't, they werejust working class with a
different fucking mask on.
Then the tony blair came in.
Credit went through the fuckingroof.
Everyone just started owningeverything on money that wasn't
theirs.
Surprise, surprise, it had ashort shelf life.
Now all the money's beingdrained out of the country and
(09:28):
everyone's living on credit.
There's a fucking cost ofliving crisis, but you wouldn't
know it because everyone's usingcredit cards and the pinch
comes in a year's time.
Meanwhile, you've got dickheadslike Gary Stevenson coming out
with ideas that he knows isfucking impossible.
He knows it and it's a messageof despair.
Then fucking impossible, heknows it and it's a message of
despair.
Then you've got Stephen andDaniel Priestley, who are
actually offering a message ofhope and optimism, but the
(09:53):
working class are all on Gary'sside because they would rather
be miserable in an environment.
There's a cul-de-sac that theycan't fucking get out of and he
knows that as well and he's kindof preying on it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
He is because he's making money from it because he
charges 150 quid a fucking monthto join his community
outrageous.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I really like this guy and then I looked at him.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I do.
I really liked Gary and thethings that he was coming out
with and I was like, yeah,that's alright, but I don't
agree that taxing the rich moreis going to solve everything.
I think it should be a levelplaying field for everybody, and
that's the problem you've gotwith this nomad lifestyle now,
what you do and what you do.
You could register your companyin Monaco.
You could register a company inDubai.
(10:34):
You can do exactly what you'redoing in your shed in the UK
over there and pay no taxes andall your money just fucking goes
.
It's gone out of the UK economy.
People from the UK economy arepaying you money and it's going
out to offshore accounts.
Now, if the UK said, right, doyou know what we're going to do?
We're going to give everybody alevel playing field.
(10:55):
If you earn a billion pound ayear, this is your corporation
tax.
If you earn 10,000 pound a year, this is your corporation tax,
and make it more inviting forbusinesses to come and invest in
the UK.
They spoke about Silicon Valleyin America and stuff.
They spoke about AI.
Now Starmer would say, yeah,we're investing in AI, we're
(11:17):
investing in AI, but AI can bedone from anywhere in the world.
Why would the big corporationswant to build a massive AI in
the UK and then get taxed tofucking high heavens on it?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I think that's where a lot of the governments are
struggling and we're going to bein this transition for the next
50 years, where the birth ofthe Internet and the rise of
globalization happens versuslocal economy.
Because, you're right, we couldsit here and we could do
business in a foreign countryright here from our phones, but
it's the money we make therethat fuels the economy of where
(11:51):
you're based, and I think theyhaven't figured out yet how they
can maximise both opportunities.
Their answer seems to be getrid of cash, digitise everything
, and then, of course, with thatcomes the arguments of well,
that's just control, it's tough,right.
I think you know I don't reallylike politics and I don't look
into it too much, so I find itdifficult to talk too much about
(12:13):
politics.
But I agree with you, ash.
I think the tax needs to be thesame throughout and the
government just needs to stopfucking wasting money, because
if they didn't waste the money,we'd have money in the country,
we wouldn't have to taxeverybody so much.
Yeah, you know I'm not going tolist my reasons and what I
would suggest to to not wastemoney because they're fucking
obvious.
Well, yeah, 90 percent of the ukprobably think the same, but.
(12:35):
But they hide where the tax isgoing exactly exactly, but I
think in all the time that thegovernment are run by these pub,
like these private schoolpricks and not businessmen, I've
always thought someone likeAlan Sugar needs to be in the
government to advise them on howto spend their money.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Don't get me started on Alan Sugar.
They have, well you know, thatkind of a business man.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
He's the first person that came to my mind, you know
Somebody that knows how to dealwith money, because they do not
have a fucking clue.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
No, the thing is, for me, like if your business is
struggling, you look back, oryou bring in a business coach or
an advisor who can come fromthe outside, look in and say,
right, your business is failing.
What are you going to do Ifyou've got a business that's in
a load of shit?
You can't just go to a bank andsay, oh, give us another 10
million quid, Increase thedeficit, Increase it, increase
(13:25):
it, increase it.
You have to strip back.
Why does the government not runthe same?
Why is there not there needs?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
to be an independent order, Because absolute power
corrupts absolutely mate.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
There needs to be an independent order.
The government, I feel, issupposed to work for us, but
they're not.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
They're not, it's completely outdated, completely
outdated system.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now there's obviously I do a lot on LinkedIn James
Watt, the founder of BrewDog, isquite public about this.
He said I will put a team ofentrepreneurs successful people
know how to run a businesstogether and we will work for
free, for a few hours a week, tohelp the government save money.
And the government, I know.
And now they've introduced this.
(14:04):
They've seen this doge thing inamerica, where elon musk is
whether love him or hate him, Ithink he's right.
Well, we're sending 11 millionquid to some concert thing,
wherever the fuck it is.
Oh, what the fuck is ourgovernment doing?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
yeah, what is our?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
government doing with the money now, whether you
believe in the ukraine war,pledging to send 30 billion quid
over the next 10 years, that'snot use of our money, like they
said back in the day.
My old mum would tell me putyour own gas mask on first.
That's what we say.
When you're on an aeroplane ifthe oxygen mask falls, do your
own first before you help theperson next to you.
(14:40):
Why are we not doing that?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
We're just constantly just giving it all comes back
down to the people.
And this is when we go back tothose three in that room,
because you brought up the point.
What's the story gary stevensonsaid about his family?
Oh, my sister can't afford toeat.
But if you're a fuckingmulti-millionaire, why's your
sister got to even worry aboutbuying food?
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
that's it I've enough money, Icould do whatever I want
(15:04):
tomorrow.
Well, why don't you start byhelping your family out, mate?
That's it.
Because if you look at thedynamic in that room, gary
Stevenson was on a Piers Morganand I saw it on a TikTok today.
And Piers Morgan went look,you're championing the rich
should pay more.
How much are you paying?
He didn't answer it and he wentback and well, it's not for me,
(15:25):
it's for the rich.
And blah, blah, blah, blah,blah.
And Piers Morgan was like no,no, come on, all you do is
champion the working class.
What are you doing?
Didn't answer it.
Meanwhile, stephen Bartlett's onDragon's Den investing in small
businesses every week.
Yeah, I feel like we're kind ofhating on him.
We all have got respect for himin certain ways, but it just
doesn't sit right.
His stories don't add up.
(15:46):
I've got his book, mate.
I say I liked him enough, Ibought his book.
I love his message.
I do love his message, butagain, it is an impossible dream
, which is fine, because he isright in what he's saying.
There does need to be a betterdistribution so the middle class
can have funds.
There.
Does His method up for debate?
(16:08):
Absolutely, but his story seemsto be contradictory and it's
not helping him deliver hismessage.
Like I say, I've read his bookand he was a working-class boy
playing in East London, done fornicking things here there
everywhere, flogging a bit ofgear.
Maybe, I'm not sure if that'sright.
Actually I don't want to defamethe boy.
Bless him.
He might not have done that,but either way.
(16:29):
There's then a big gap in thebook and all of a sudden he's in
the London School of Economics.
Now that's the best school forfinance, yeah.
And he's in there with lots ofrich boys from daddy's money and
he's saying my street smartsgot me through.
It probably did.
How did he get in that school?
I'm not sure it's plausible,but as I'm reading that book I'm
(16:52):
thinking that needs to beanswered before I can believe
you and the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Part of me thinks as well, like Daniel and Stephen
are saying it's never beeneasier.
It's never been easier, which Ido agree with to a certain
extent.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Look, at this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Exactly.
But, like I've said before,entrepreneurship isn't for
everybody.
No, and I don't feel that it'sright for everybody to be.
I can run my own business, Ican be an entrepreneur.
I don't think that's the rightmessage to be putting across to
people.
I feel that it's a good messageto be putting across to people
(17:29):
and giving people hope, whereasI feel just tax, like you said
earlier, just tax the rich.
Tax the rich, it'll get better.
Now the middle class need moneyto spend in the businesses.
If the middle class have got nomoney, the businesses on this
level it's like a do you knowwhat I mean?
If the middle class and theworking class have got no money,
then the businesses don'tsurvive the pubs, the
restaurants, the bars, thecinemas, the theater, everything
(17:51):
.
So the middle class do needmore money.
They do need to somehow shiftthat wealth.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah to that I I do disagree to a point, mate.
I've got to be honest with youthe I do think anyone, anyone
can make money.
Maybe not be an entrepreneur,but anyone can make money
because there's two in this roomyeah, anyone.
I'm confident that if you're aconfident person and you can
stand in front of a camera, wecan teach you how to make money
(18:15):
on tiktok shop.
We've literally had a girl thatwe've been training for four
months.
She made four grand in a dayyesterday, over the weekend.
If you don't like doing that,I'm pretty confident I can teach
you how to do amazon, fba.
Yeah, both of those need verylittle money.
Again, though, it's a mindsetthing.
It's a mindset thing.
I often say this if you'redetermined, you'll find a way.
(18:36):
Yeah, if you're not determined,you'll find an excuse.
Yeah, and there's a lot ofpeople ready to find excuses,
but there's a lot of people thatcan do more to help themselves,
and I know that's horrible, butI want to do it as a message of
hope, because of the three ofus here there's two in the room
that have made our money in thelast year, and we would never,
(18:57):
ever, ever, have been able to doit if it wasn't for social
media, which has only existed inthe last five, ten.
I want to ask a quick questionfor everybody that's listening
or watching what is anentrepreneur?
And that's coming from me aswell, because I've never really
thought about it.
I don't look at definitions ofstuff like that.
It's funny.
I always used to call it anentrepreneur.
I hate that phrase because Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, one of the guys , one of the seminars I went to,
you've got like solopreneur.
They call it a solopreneur, nofriends, no, that's like you're
a one-man band.
You're making money, you'redoing what you're doing.
You might have a small teamaround you.
I would call myself at themoment a solopreneur and then an
entrepreneur.
I feel bad now.
We're your friends, mate,listen, listen, it's fine, I'll
(19:48):
get over it.
And then, like an entrepreneuris someone who maybe has a team
of people around them constantly.
For me, I think entrepreneur isa mindset.
Yeah, I think it's a want formore, has aspirations, and I'm
glad you said that.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that.
I like that.
Oh, do you know, when Ilistened to that podcast the
other day?
And they are, it's just thrownabout so much, isn't it?
Everybody thinks that anentrepreneur has got millions
and millions of pounds and blah,blah, blah.
For me, an entrepreneur issomebody that can be 15 years
old, you can have a paper roundand you can wash cars because
you want to better yourself.
You want more than one job, youwant to earn a living.
(20:28):
Yeah, you know, there's fuckinghundreds of thousands of people
out there that areentrepreneurs.
They don't even know it.
As far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, you know, they've,they've got.
They work in sainsbury's on asaturday, they do cleaning on a
thursday and a friday and theydo dog walking on a tuesday and
a wednesday.
It's almost like you multiplejobs where they're trying to
better themselves and they areentrepreneurs because they're
thinking outside the box andwanting to better their lives.
Problem solvers, aren't they?
Yeah, this whole entrepreneurbollocks.
I think it's bullshit.
(20:49):
I think the way that Gary, andwhat's his name?
Daniel?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I keep forgetting his name, daniel.
I do the way that they speakmakes the normal people feel
like shit.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, feel like shit.
Yeah, it does.
Because that's what I mean.
Unless you're earning fuckingmillions of pounds every year
and you're sitting in that chairgoing, I've got millions of
pounds, I can do whatever I want.
If I want to retire now, I'llretire now.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
If I want to move abroad, I'll move abroad but
then that's an entrepreneur aswell, someone who could do that
but they don't, because theykeep going yeah, yeah, but it
like this whole like.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's why I didn't really have an opinion on it.
But the more I think about it,the more it is pissing me off
mate that what you said right.
There is why I do what I do.
Yeah, because there aren't anyrelatable people that are still
part of the people that aremaking money, that are doing
well for themselves and sayinglook, what's achievable.
Everyone else at the top,whether they do it intentionally
(21:41):
or not, mate, they're lookingdown their fucking nose and
they're saying, well, you may,maybe if you, you do what I did,
you could have what I can have.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, cheers, mate, but that's bullshit because it
what works for one persondoesn't necessarily work for
everybody.
Like we said before, there's beone entrepreneur that gets up
at four, 30 every morning, doestwo hours in the gym, goes to
work and he's done loads of workbefore.
There'll be anotherentrepreneur that could be in
the stocks and the stockmarket's in the evening.
He don't get out of bed tillsix in the evening.
(22:09):
He's up through the night, yeah, yeah, there's entrepreneurs
who are in the constructionindustry.
There's entrepreneurs who arebuilding tech.
There's so many differentavenues.
As this whole entrepreneur,there's so many different ways
to make money.
Yes, but this wholeentrepreneur, there's so many
different ways to make money.
Yes, but like I said, and I'llstick with it, it's not for
everyone.
Like you said then you had if,you had an if in your story.
(22:32):
If you're willing to do thework, that's right.
You've got to be determined.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You've got to be determined.
Yeah, I mean, if you're a lazybastard and you sit on a sofa
and you don't want to doanything ever, you ain't going
to get anywhere.
No, they're side hustles forthe broken lazy.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
They're real, aren't?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
they yeah, yeah, drives me nuts.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And all these, all these people doing like people
say I saw a TikTok the other day, oh, I want to become a dinger.
What course should I do?
Well, do three of them, causeyou need to take something that
that guy's telling you andsaying that that bloke's telling
you Mate that's exactly it.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So I had the £200 to £100,000 challenge and I gave
myself two years to do it and Istarted it with Amazon FBA.
And then, when I starteddiversifying my income streams,
everyone was like, oh, I thoughtthis was an Amazon journey.
No, it was never an Amazonjourney.
It was turning £200 into£100,000 over two years.
(23:23):
And as I got in this and Ifigured out what I was doing, I
found out what I liked, what Iwas good at and what I could
make money doing.
So actually I was doing AmazonFBA.
I was doing an Amazon FBAdigital course.
I wrote an e-book on it.
I was getting YouTube adrevenue no-transcript five Can't
(23:44):
remember the other two, that'sshocking, but and then I was
also doing the podcast, butbasically a lot of them were to
do with me talking, which hasnothing to do with Amazon FBA?
Yeah, but Amazon FBA enables youto learn retail.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, and I think it's like they'll sit on all
these podcasts.
And this is my problem withsome of the podcasts now is that
they're interviewing people,that they're up here already,
yeah, and you sort of get thisas a as a young 60.
And I agree what Gary said I'mfucking sick to death of all
(24:18):
your entrepreneurs sitting theretelling a 19 year old he can be
a millionaire.
He's right.
He's right and I agree withthat what he said, with that,
because they're sitting thereand that's why we do this,
because we're not up there andwe're sort of going on a journey
.
We're all trying to betterourselves because we're
entrepreneurs.
But I think the kids todaywatching, like Stephen Bartlett,
(24:41):
daniel Priestley, admirationfor them that what they've
achieved is phenomenal and Ilove the story.
But you have to go back and youhave to learn that Stephen
Bartlett came from nothing andhe worked fucking hard and he
made his own opportunities andhe took the opportunity when it
came and his book's really good.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
He's a bit like Marmite, isn't he?
Loads of people don't like him,but loads of people really like
him.
I like the geezer.
I think he's quite likable.
Personally, he's another one.
So with gary stevenson really,really liked him, start looking
at, started looking at him andstarted finding flaws.
Steven bartlett didn't reallylike him, but started looking at
him and found things I reallylike about him.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's interesting so I I followed daniel and I did a
couple of live webinar thingswith him and they tell you this
and this and this, and I was abit pissed off at the end.
I don't know whether I shouldsay this or not, but it's the
truth, untold.
I spoke it, I had a call, I didthe thing and I signed up and I
filled in all thisquestionnaire and stuff.
(25:42):
And then I had a phone callwith some guy in an office
somewhere in Sanford, whereverhe was about coming on to their
sort of platform to help mebecome a better entrepreneur and
grow the journey.
And they do all this, they giveyou all the spill on that.
And then I sort of said, no, Ineed some time to think about it
(26:03):
.
And that was it.
I I didn't hear anything and itwas kind of.
What really pissed me off isthat it was kind of like a sales
pitch where if you don't signup today, then the offer's off
the table.
I've had a few of them.
No, I don't think that that's.
I don't think that's the rightway to be in business.
Trust me, man, andentrepreneurship, and I don't
feel that you need to put.
If your service is that good,you shouldn't need lengthy
(26:27):
contracts.
You shouldn't need to sit thereon a Zoom call with someone and
send them the bank detailsthere and then and wait on the
call until they do it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
It's still happening now.
It's an old-fashioned process.
I did a TikTok on this theother day, saying the sales
funnel, come in here, click here, click there.
Give me your email address andI'll give you something for free
, and it's usually a video thatthey did in five minutes.
Sometimes I put a bit of moneyabout it, but then you're going
to be peppered with nothing butsales emails nothing.
(26:57):
Some people do it as anewsletter Great, there's value
in that, and there won't be muchsales behind it.
And they'll try and get adspent.
Fine, they try and upsell youthousands, thousands, thousands,
thousands.
They then create scarcity.
Not many spaces left.
Yeah, oh, it was five grand,but now it's three just for you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now are you gonna talk about this.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You don't have to say no, I'm not certainly known,
but you know, I approached acompany, big company, um looking
to better myself at some somesort of level.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Are you going to say the industry?
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I'm not even going to do that.
All right, and the course wasfive and a half grand.
I thought that's a lot of money.
I got an email about 15 minuteslater.
Oh, because it's you, you know,we've got a couple of spaces
left on the next course.
We'll let you have it for 1,250quid.
I mean, come on, it's free andI've got it.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I've said before, I've got common sense Common
sense kicks in then, doesn't it?
My biggest thing with that is,I feel straight off the bat,
they've devalued their product.
How can you have something thatit started off it was 20 grand
mate, des, it was 20 grand mate,but for you you can have it for
7.99.
Instantly you're thinking no,fuck that.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, that's not what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I was thinking he thinks I'm a right cock, this
geezer he thinks I'm going tofall for that.
Yeah, yeah, but if someonecomes to, you.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, we've nearly sold out.
We've got a couple of spacesleft.
Well then, keep it at the sameprice, pal because it's clearly
selling yeah, yeah and it's just.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
If people can't see through that nonsense, people
don't and this is the problem.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Right, we talk about people, which leads me right
into what I wanted to say aboutgary and daniel the.
The people that watch thesepodcasts and listen to these
podcasts 99.9 of them haveprobably not got second
businesses.
They don't earn loads of money.
They're looking up to thesepeople because they've got shit
loads of money.
They're very successful.
You've got one saying you haveto be an entrepreneur, you have
to do this, you have to do this.
And when daniel speaks, hetalks about big companies that
(28:48):
sell for millions.
And when um gary speaks, hetells everyone you're fucked if
you're, if you're, if you're alow, lower class or you're not
middle class anymore, you're alllower class.
If you're in that bracket,you're fucked you ain't getting
out of it.
And he also tells you that he'sa millionaire every two seconds
yeah, yeah, but you know, mostpeople are never going to get to
where Daniel Stevenson is.
Daniel Stevenson, that was agood one.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Where Daniel is.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Most people are never going to get there.
We probably will never getthere in our lifetimes.
I don't want to, I don't want to, because you know he's got a
very different mindset to mostpeople and that is why it's the
1%.
You know there's a reason forthat.
But Gary telling everyone thereis no way of making money if
you're on the poverty line,you're not going to get out of
it Bollocks.
I woke up one morning.
I went on TikTok.
(29:32):
I watched the video.
I've been doing it for 14months.
I didn't make any money forfive months, still stuck at it
because I believed in it.
I am closer to earning sixfigures than I am to earning
five figures in the last eightmonths.
I don't talk about money, but itpisses me off that he sits
there and he says you cannotmake money.
If you wake up one morning andyou want to bet your lives, I
(29:54):
don't give a fuck who you areSorry for the language, but I
don't give a fuck who you are.
If you want to earn money,there's money to be earned and
when you've got people like thattelling you that you cannot
earn money, you can't betyourselves this.
This is sorry.
I've made a business out ofgiving people hope.
That's how I've made my money.
That's how I've made mybusiness in my communities by
giving people hope he is amillionaire from the working
(30:17):
class.
Saying you cannot be amillionaire from the working
class, it doesn't ring truebecause he's the geezer.
That's literally contradictinghis own bloody argument.
So what we do and I'm sorry thismight be a plug, I don't care.
We literally teach people forfree how to learn on tiktok for
free, and we've seen it throughyou, through joe, who made four
(30:40):
grand last week, through clairewho made who does faceless
videos, doesn't even show herface on camera Thousands of
pounds every month.
They only started in October.
We've got thousands of peoplethat we're genuinely helping for
no money, with a message ofhope, because if they were
coming in and we went no way.
You've got no chance.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
The thing is as well like what you're doing and this
sort of leads into thisentrepreneurship journey.
Anyone can do it with asmartphone and an internet
access, and for big businesses,it's the best way to get your
products out there.
Yeah, imagine giving a productto 300 different people and have
300 different people posting600 different videos a day about
(31:24):
it for a week.
That's it, mate.
That's our service, and you'renot actually paying them unless
they sell a product, becauseit's all done on commission.
Yeah, apart from the setup feesand stuff, exactly Anyone can
do it.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
We've literally just signed.
We've only been going a coupleof weeks, We've signed.
They're a company called FreeSoul.
They are the second biggesthealth and supplement brand on
TikTok supplement brand onTikTok and they've agreed to
give free samples to hundreds ofour clients who can then
promote them for free and again,we would be giving them
(31:54):
hundreds, hopefully a thousand,adverts over the course of this
week.
So the affiliates make money,the brand makes money and we as
the agency make money.
We've created a business model.
I call it.
The rising tide raises all theships.
We don't charge our affiliatesany money whatsoever, but when
they do well, we do well.
Through the back door it'spossible.
(32:16):
There are models out therewhere you can learn, where you
can make money.
The days of these millionaireswhere they would have sent you
down sales funnels with all ofthose tactics we just talked
about, they're old.
Now they're gone.
People are waking up to them.
I think it's important tomention actually before people
get carried away.
Obviously there are a lot ofscammers out there.
You know I don't want to sithere and tell everyone it's easy
(32:36):
to make money, because thereare a lot of ways you canok or
sit on the internet and fall forthese traps and go down these
funnels, you know, and waste themoney that they don't have?
yeah, definitely, but it'salways been there it's always
(32:58):
been the same.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
It's just a digital age now I remember that's it um,
back in the day, when my it wascold calls, wasn't, it't it?
Well, no, my dad paid.
A marketing agency came in witha couple of glossy magazines
yeah, we're this, we're that.
We send out 50,000 copies.
It's this, it's new, it'swhatever it was.
It took him for like four grand, never got an ad.
We've got big companies likesomeone used to make a big book
(33:22):
every year, come to us, we'regonna do digital.
We're gonna do digital stuff.
Paid them thousands of poundsfor nothing, and this is big
companies.
I honestly think that the bestway for people to learn is to
watch people like us, yeah, whoare doing it, who are not up
here, they are aspiring to be,because we can learn from
(33:43):
everybody.
Agree, and that's why I lovedoing this podcast and having
these conversations.
It's amazing what you can learndown the pub from your mate.
Yeah, who's doing?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
something yeah and the most important message that
we need to get out as well isthat none of it's easy.
No, none of it's easy, and Ihate that, that phrase.
Choose your hard.
I hate that, but not doinganything is isn't easy.
If you've ever given up smokingor you've ever stopped drinking
or you've ever stopped eatingcrap food, you've got the
(34:11):
motivation to do things.
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I mean, it's all you need yeah, or getting up at 5am.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
You know, yeah, easy.
You know you have motivation todo things, so just use it and
just try.
Yeah, and you say about friendsat the pub and everything you
know if you want to better yourlives and you're surrounded by
dickheads, get away from thedickheads.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, because they'll only hold you back they don't
want you to be successful anyway, so now we're not saying don't
listen to Daniel Priestley,stephen Bartlett, rob Moore,
everybody don't listen to them.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
They've all got great messages.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, what we're saying is pick what you need
from these conversations.
Don't sit there and, oh my God,I've got to do that tomorrow
Exactly how he done it, Becauseit won't fucking work for you.
That's it, Mate.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I've met Rob Moore and interviewed him.
So inspiring.
His story is fascinating, yeah,so inspiring.
All of them, such fascinatingstories.
And what they don't tell you isthey don't tell you what good
they do with that money.
Yeah, they always do.
I pressed Rob on itspecifically, I went right whose
life have you changed with themoney in the platform you've got
?
And he ratted out a couple ofstories.
Mate, I was nearly in tears.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
The generosity is unbelievable, and that's it.
And I really like Rob.
I really like him.
I went to one of his seminarslast year and he took the time
to have conversations withhundreds of people and it was
really, really good and the teamaround him was fantastic.
And I've seen Stephen Bartlettlive and I've watched Daniel
(35:38):
Priestley's stuff and read hisbooks.
I've got Gary Stevenson's bookbecause I want to pick bits out
of his story that I can resonatewith, not necessarily aspire to
be any of these people.
That's it.
You've got to be your ownperson.
And, like you said, you weredoing TikTok for five months
before you made any money, andthat's it.
(35:59):
If you think that, oh my God,he's made four grand in a day,
I'll do it tomorrow.
That's not going to happen.
No, no, no, you've got to berealistic with it.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
When we talk about Joe.
She's been going since Octoberand she's been doing anything
between three to five posts aday since October.
That is hard, yeah, hard.
Took me two years.
Yeah, definitely Right, I thinkthat place to wrap it up.
Yeah, yeah, so basically we'reright.
Everyone else is wrong.
Yeah, that's it, isn't it?
Yeah, good stuff.
And my missus, she's alwaysright as well yeah, so is mine,
(36:30):
mine's not.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
We've definitely ended it there.
I'm joking, tiff, I love it sothat's yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
that's an interesting take on that particular debate
with those particular charactersat the level that is much
closer to the everyday person.
I think that was vital.
Yeah, I really enjoyed that,though, boys.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So I didn't say this at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
So we're going to say at the end that was Chris,
hello, goodbye.
And that was Ash, hi bye.
And my name's Des.
Tell your friends where we are.
We're making a difference inthis place, see you.
There was a Stephen Bartlett podcast, gary Stevenson
and Daniel Priestley trying tofigure out the state of the
economy.
I thought I wouldn't have anopinion, but the more you two
are talking I'm getting pissedright off inside.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
My problem at the moment is I resent paying taxes
because nothing's being donewith the money.
Well, it is.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It's being fucking wasted.
There's a fucking cost ofliving crisis, but you wouldn't
know it because everyone's usingcredit cards.
It just doesn't sit right.
His stories don't add up.
That's where we're different.
If you're determined, you'llfind a way.
If you're not determined,you'll find an excuse.
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Speaker 1 (00:57):
Welcome back to the Untold Podcast.
Look, it's a Thursday episode.
It's a special.
We are jumping on the hypetrain.
We're jumping on the bandwagon.
Thursday episode.
It's a special.
We are jumping on the hypetrain.
We're jumping on the bandwagon.
Anyone that's been living undera rock, get yourself from under
it.
Because there was a StephenBartlett podcast, the Diary of a
CEO.
He had on Gary Stevenson andDaniel Priestley and he had
himself in there as well, and hegot involved more than usual,
(01:20):
and the three of them weretrying to figure out the state
of the economy, weren't they?
And basically, they all playedtheir greatest hits and it ended
up being this ridiculous viralmachine, didn't it?
And we're jumping on thatbandwagon because when something
goes viral, you do the samebleeding thing.
That's it Right, and it'sinteresting, though, isn't it?
(01:40):
Because there's so muchpsychology behind it.
There's so much when it comesto personal branding.
There's so much psychologybehind it.
There's so much when it comesto personal branding.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
There's so much about each individual message each of
them gives, and we want tounpack it.
And I thought that you've gotsomeone that's successful in
economics and someone that'svery successful in business all
talking what they want to talk.
So I thought, why not the threeof us, who are three normal
people who have not mademillions betting on the economy
and who have not got eight, ninefigure businesses?
Let's unpack it together, loveit.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Basically the people they're all talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, we are the people that are talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
But I've got to be honest.
So I relate to Gary Stevensonso much because he's saying the
things that someone in mybackground would always aspire
to be.
We were the working class kidsplaying football in the streets,
looking up saying we wanted tobe rich like that.
There's holes in his story.
There's holes in his story andI really liked him because he
burst onto the scene.
It feels like about two, threemonths ago, didn't it?
(02:38):
And he's throwing himself outonto right wing media being this
champion of the people.
I fell onto right wing mediabeing this champion of the
people.
It just seems a little bit much.
And then what do you mean?
He's a professional cameraspeaker.
He is, he is.
He knows exactly what he'sdoing.
I mean, he says a lot of truth.
He does say a lot of truth, butyou know, we've got to remember
these people were very good atwhat they do and they're doing
(03:01):
it for a reason.
He's not coming on camera everysingle day just to get his
point across.
He's working very hard on hisown brand.
Yeah, I completely agree withthat.
So, for anyone that didn't seeit.
Basically you had thisthree-way divide.
You had Daniel Priestley andStephen Bartlett, who
represented the entrepreneur.
Stephen Bartlett, who 10 yearsago, was basically asking Uber
(03:21):
Eats for discounts, nickingstuff off the doorsteps and
stuff like that.
Then you've got Gary Stevenson,who is a working class boy who
went to be a trader, wentthrough the London School of
Economics, went to be a traderin Canary Wharf, bets on the
economy, bets on the economygoing down and made millions off
the back of our downfall.
Then his argument is that youshould tax the rich more, more,
(03:45):
more, more, more, because in thewealth growing in the upper
classes it's draining theeconomy in the middle classes.
That's what his argument is andthe rich need to bail out the
country.
Then, on the flip side, you'vegot Daniel and Stephen talking
about how it's actually possibleto achieve financial freedom.
(04:07):
Should you choose the rightmethod and determine yourself
and make perseverance andresilience and all that good
stuff?
Where do you lie?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So I'm very much in the middle of both their
arguments.
So, yes, the economy is fucked.
The middle of both theirarguments.
So, yes, the economy is fucked.
Um, I feel, um, I feel thatthey're already taxing everybody
too much and I don't think theway to save the economy is by
taxing the rich because, likedaniel says, they will just
(04:39):
leave.
I think, the uk.
Why are everybody?
Why is everybody flooding tothese places?
That's a bit of a tax haven.
Why are these big corporationslike Amazon, facebook?
Why, every time do I pay £1,000to Google?
It doesn't go to a UK company,it goes to there.
No, there's no VAT being paid,et cetera.
I think the way is to make theUK more inviting for these
(05:05):
entrepreneurs to come, not taxthe hell out of them.
My problem at the moment is Iresent paying taxes because
nothing's being done with themoney.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's it.
Well, it is.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It's being fucking wasted.
It's being fucking wasted,that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't mind paying more tax if I knew the roads
weren't going to have holes inthem.
It's so stupid.
All we care about on aday-to-day are your bins on time
.
Have you got bins big enough todo everything?
Oh, can you move out of yourdriveway without a pothole going
through to help?
Me and you have had tires godown in the last two days, and
the buses, the doctors.
I don't mind paying taxes, butwe're paying more tax than ever
(05:42):
and those things are all gettingworse.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, yeah and so that that's the thing for me,
like I've.
I've said this for a while andI'll.
This is my opinion.
I think if you make corporationtax 10, if everybody had a flat
rate tax of 20, then 10 ofsomething is better than 40 of
nothing, and I think that's theway we're going.
(06:03):
Millions and millions andthousands of pounds is just
leaving our economy every day,and Gary is right in what he
says because the middle class Idon't feel there's a middle
class anymore.
I worked in a retail space andour business was middle class
people doing bathrooms, kitchens, renovations that fell off a
cliff.
Literally, that customer felloff a cliff.
(06:25):
So you're either now you'reeither high end or you're low
end, and that's the thing.
People haven't got the money.
Everything's going up.
We're being squeezed taxeseverywhere.
I saw a kia starmer posted theother day.
I'm doing something for thebritish 1.6 billion pound to
increase potholes what are youdoing following that?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
well, it's on's on LinkedIn and it's I shouldn't do
.
You're right, I told you not towatch the news.
You're right, I shouldn't do.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But it's quite interesting because I put a
comment on it and said you couldprobably do it for a billion
quid if you held the companiesdoing the fixes accountable.
They've just fixed one on ourestate.
It's a small little estate.
They just fixed one.
It was massive like the GrandCanyon in the middle of the road
Three weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
it's already come out .
Have you noticed?
What we're already doing inthis chat is that we're taking
the concepts that Gary, danieland Stephen made and we've taken
it down to the working, thebottom level.
Yeah, because those guyshaven't got the capability to do
that anymore.
No, that's where we'redifferent.
That's where they're notrelatable.
None of them are relatable.
What do you reckon?
Well, I'll be totally honestwith you.
(07:28):
When we discussed that we weregoing to do this, I thought I
wouldn't have an opinion, butthe more you two are talking,
I'm getting pissed right offinside.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I knew you would, I knew you would and I knew you'd
have something to say that thiswhole debate of like tax the
rich.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It pulls me right back to the people that don't
have money.
Because what is the fuckingpoint in trying to better
yourself and become a richperson if you're going to be
punished?
That's why people don't succeedenough because they're squeezed
.
Why would you want to wake upone morning at five o'clock in
the morning and work yourbollocks off all day to then go
and pay 60% tax when you can getyour rent paid for, you can get
(08:05):
your fucking food bill, yourfood tickets or whatever you get
from the government for yourfood, and you get your child
maintenance and everything youget for nothing.
Actually, when you do better,you get squeezed.
That's it.
What's the point?
You can understand why peopledon't want to better themselves.
I'm getting wound up.
now I can actually feel myselfgetting wound up.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Now I can actually feel myself.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I believe it so I was , I was proper into my politics
until about a couple of yearsago.
Now, to be fair, I've taken myfoot off the gas, the reason
being, whoever the government isin charge, they're being told
what to do by about 200 civilservants.
Now, the worst tories ever gotbooted out.
This year, labor have come in.
It's the same fucking 200 civilservants.
So when sarma stands up thereand he's got that two-bob little
(08:44):
thing on his plateau, renovate,achieve.
That's because he's got two-bobcivil servants working in the
comms department that havealready pissed off the country
and they're all still there.
Clear the lot.
Anyway, going back to the 80s,margaret Thatcher made people
buy their own council houses andin doing so, she turned a load
of working class people intomiddle class, because all of a
(09:05):
sudden, she created this middleclass.
You now own your home where themiddle class were going oh,
look at us, we're the middleclass.
When they weren't, they werejust working class with a
different fucking mask on.
Then the tony blair came in.
Credit went through the fuckingroof.
Everyone just started owningeverything on money that wasn't
theirs.
Surprise, surprise, it had ashort shelf life.
Now all the money's beingdrained out of the country and
(09:28):
everyone's living on credit.
There's a fucking cost ofliving crisis, but you wouldn't
know it because everyone's usingcredit cards and the pinch
comes in a year's time.
Meanwhile, you've got dickheadslike Gary Stevenson coming out
with ideas that he knows isfucking impossible.
He knows it and it's a messageof despair.
Then fucking impossible, heknows it and it's a message of
despair.
Then you've got Stephen andDaniel Priestley, who are
actually offering a message ofhope and optimism, but the
(09:53):
working class are all on Gary'sside because they would rather
be miserable in an environment.
There's a cul-de-sac that theycan't fucking get out of and he
knows that as well and he's kindof preying on it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
He is because he's making money from it because he
charges 150 quid a fucking monthto join his community
outrageous.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I really like this guy and then I looked at him.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I do.
I really liked Gary and thethings that he was coming out
with and I was like, yeah,that's alright, but I don't
agree that taxing the rich moreis going to solve everything.
I think it should be a levelplaying field for everybody, and
that's the problem you've gotwith this nomad lifestyle now,
what you do and what you do.
You could register your companyin Monaco.
You could register a company inDubai.
(10:34):
You can do exactly what you'redoing in your shed in the UK
over there and pay no taxes andall your money just fucking goes
.
It's gone out of the UK economy.
People from the UK economy arepaying you money and it's going
out to offshore accounts.
Now, if the UK said, right, doyou know what we're going to do?
We're going to give everybody alevel playing field.
(10:55):
If you earn a billion pound ayear, this is your corporation
tax.
If you earn 10,000 pound a year, this is your corporation tax,
and make it more inviting forbusinesses to come and invest in
the UK.
They spoke about Silicon Valleyin America and stuff.
They spoke about AI.
Now Starmer would say, yeah,we're investing in AI, we're
(11:17):
investing in AI, but AI can bedone from anywhere in the world.
Why would the big corporationswant to build a massive AI in
the UK and then get taxed tofucking high heavens on it?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I think that's where a lot of the governments are
struggling and we're going to bein this transition for the next
50 years, where the birth ofthe Internet and the rise of
globalization happens versuslocal economy.
Because, you're right, we couldsit here and we could do
business in a foreign countryright here from our phones, but
it's the money we make therethat fuels the economy of where
(11:51):
you're based, and I think theyhaven't figured out yet how they
can maximise both opportunities.
Their answer seems to be getrid of cash, digitise everything
, and then, of course, with thatcomes the arguments of well,
that's just control, it's tough,right.
I think you know I don't reallylike politics and I don't look
into it too much, so I find itdifficult to talk too much about
(12:13):
politics.
But I agree with you, ash.
I think the tax needs to be thesame throughout and the
government just needs to stopfucking wasting money, because
if they didn't waste the money,we'd have money in the country,
we wouldn't have to taxeverybody so much.
Yeah, you know I'm not going tolist my reasons and what I
would suggest to to not wastemoney because they're fucking
obvious.
Well, yeah, 90 percent of the ukprobably think the same, but.
(12:35):
But they hide where the tax isgoing exactly exactly, but I
think in all the time that thegovernment are run by these pub,
like these private schoolpricks and not businessmen, I've
always thought someone likeAlan Sugar needs to be in the
government to advise them on howto spend their money.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Don't get me started on Alan Sugar.
They have, well you know, thatkind of a business man.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
He's the first person that came to my mind, you know
Somebody that knows how to dealwith money, because they do not
have a fucking clue.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
No, the thing is, for me, like if your business is
struggling, you look back, oryou bring in a business coach or
an advisor who can come fromthe outside, look in and say,
right, your business is failing.
What are you going to do Ifyou've got a business that's in
a load of shit?
You can't just go to a bank andsay, oh, give us another 10
million quid, Increase thedeficit, Increase it, increase
(13:25):
it, increase it.
You have to strip back.
Why does the government not runthe same?
Why is there not there needs?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
to be an independent order, Because absolute power
corrupts absolutely mate.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
There needs to be an independent order.
The government, I feel, issupposed to work for us, but
they're not.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
They're not, it's completely outdated, completely
outdated system.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now there's obviously I do a lot on LinkedIn James
Watt, the founder of BrewDog, isquite public about this.
He said I will put a team ofentrepreneurs successful people
know how to run a businesstogether and we will work for
free, for a few hours a week, tohelp the government save money.
And the government, I know.
And now they've introduced this.
(14:04):
They've seen this doge thing inamerica, where elon musk is
whether love him or hate him, Ithink he's right.
Well, we're sending 11 millionquid to some concert thing,
wherever the fuck it is.
Oh, what the fuck is ourgovernment doing?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
yeah, what is our?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
government doing with the money now, whether you
believe in the ukraine war,pledging to send 30 billion quid
over the next 10 years, that'snot use of our money, like they
said back in the day.
My old mum would tell me putyour own gas mask on first.
That's what we say.
When you're on an aeroplane ifthe oxygen mask falls, do your
own first before you help theperson next to you.
(14:40):
Why are we not doing that?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
We're just constantly just giving it all comes back
down to the people.
And this is when we go back tothose three in that room,
because you brought up the point.
What's the story gary stevensonsaid about his family?
Oh, my sister can't afford toeat.
But if you're a fuckingmulti-millionaire, why's your
sister got to even worry aboutbuying food?
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
that's it I've enough money, Icould do whatever I want
(15:04):
tomorrow.
Well, why don't you start byhelping your family out, mate?
That's it.
Because if you look at thedynamic in that room, gary
Stevenson was on a Piers Morganand I saw it on a TikTok today.
And Piers Morgan went look,you're championing the rich
should pay more.
How much are you paying?
He didn't answer it and he wentback and well, it's not for me,
(15:25):
it's for the rich.
And blah, blah, blah, blah,blah.
And Piers Morgan was like no,no, come on, all you do is
champion the working class.
What are you doing?
Didn't answer it.
Meanwhile, stephen Bartlett's onDragon's Den investing in small
businesses every week.
Yeah, I feel like we're kind ofhating on him.
We all have got respect for himin certain ways, but it just
doesn't sit right.
His stories don't add up.
(15:46):
I've got his book, mate.
I say I liked him enough, Ibought his book.
I love his message.
I do love his message, butagain, it is an impossible dream
, which is fine, because he isright in what he's saying.
There does need to be a betterdistribution so the middle class
can have funds.
There.
Does His method up for debate?
(16:08):
Absolutely, but his story seemsto be contradictory and it's
not helping him deliver hismessage.
Like I say, I've read his bookand he was a working-class boy
playing in East London, done fornicking things here there
everywhere, flogging a bit ofgear.
Maybe, I'm not sure if that'sright.
Actually I don't want to defamethe boy.
Bless him.
He might not have done that,but either way.
(16:29):
There's then a big gap in thebook and all of a sudden he's in
the London School of Economics.
Now that's the best school forfinance, yeah.
And he's in there with lots ofrich boys from daddy's money and
he's saying my street smartsgot me through.
It probably did.
How did he get in that school?
I'm not sure it's plausible,but as I'm reading that book I'm
(16:52):
thinking that needs to beanswered before I can believe
you and the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Part of me thinks as well, like Daniel and Stephen
are saying it's never beeneasier.
It's never been easier, which Ido agree with to a certain
extent.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Look, at this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Exactly.
But, like I've said before,entrepreneurship isn't for
everybody.
No, and I don't feel that it'sright for everybody to be.
I can run my own business, Ican be an entrepreneur.
I don't think that's the rightmessage to be putting across to
people.
I feel that it's a good messageto be putting across to people
(17:29):
and giving people hope, whereasI feel just tax, like you said
earlier, just tax the rich.
Tax the rich, it'll get better.
Now the middle class need moneyto spend in the businesses.
If the middle class have got nomoney, the businesses on this
level it's like a do you knowwhat I mean?
If the middle class and theworking class have got no money,
then the businesses don'tsurvive the pubs, the
restaurants, the bars, thecinemas, the theater, everything
(17:51):
.
So the middle class do needmore money.
They do need to somehow shiftthat wealth.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah to that I I do disagree to a point, mate.
I've got to be honest with youthe I do think anyone, anyone
can make money.
Maybe not be an entrepreneur,but anyone can make money
because there's two in this roomyeah, anyone.
I'm confident that if you're aconfident person and you can
stand in front of a camera, wecan teach you how to make money
(18:15):
on tiktok shop.
We've literally had a girl thatwe've been training for four
months.
She made four grand in a dayyesterday, over the weekend.
If you don't like doing that,I'm pretty confident I can teach
you how to do amazon, fba.
Yeah, both of those need verylittle money.
Again, though, it's a mindsetthing.
It's a mindset thing.
I often say this if you'redetermined, you'll find a way.
(18:36):
Yeah, if you're not determined,you'll find an excuse.
Yeah, and there's a lot ofpeople ready to find excuses,
but there's a lot of people thatcan do more to help themselves,
and I know that's horrible, butI want to do it as a message of
hope, because of the three ofus here there's two in the room
that have made our money in thelast year, and we would never,
(18:57):
ever, ever, have been able to doit if it wasn't for social
media, which has only existed inthe last five, ten.
I want to ask a quick questionfor everybody that's listening
or watching what is anentrepreneur?
And that's coming from me aswell, because I've never really
thought about it.
I don't look at definitions ofstuff like that.
It's funny.
I always used to call it anentrepreneur.
I hate that phrase because Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, one of the guys , one of the seminars I went to,
you've got like solopreneur.
They call it a solopreneur, nofriends, no, that's like you're
a one-man band.
You're making money, you'redoing what you're doing.
You might have a small teamaround you.
I would call myself at themoment a solopreneur and then an
entrepreneur.
I feel bad now.
We're your friends, mate,listen, listen, it's fine, I'll
(19:48):
get over it.
And then, like an entrepreneuris someone who maybe has a team
of people around them constantly.
For me, I think entrepreneur isa mindset.
Yeah, I think it's a want formore, has aspirations, and I'm
glad you said that.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that.
I like that.
Oh, do you know, when Ilistened to that podcast the
other day?
And they are, it's just thrownabout so much, isn't it?
Everybody thinks that anentrepreneur has got millions
and millions of pounds and blah,blah, blah.
For me, an entrepreneur issomebody that can be 15 years
old, you can have a paper roundand you can wash cars because
you want to better yourself.
You want more than one job, youwant to earn a living.
(20:28):
Yeah, you know, there's fuckinghundreds of thousands of people
out there that areentrepreneurs.
They don't even know it.
As far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, you know, they've,they've got.
They work in sainsbury's on asaturday, they do cleaning on a
thursday and a friday and theydo dog walking on a tuesday and
a wednesday.
It's almost like you multiplejobs where they're trying to
better themselves and they areentrepreneurs because they're
thinking outside the box andwanting to better their lives.
Problem solvers, aren't they?
Yeah, this whole entrepreneurbollocks.
I think it's bullshit.
(20:49):
I think the way that Gary, andwhat's his name?
Daniel?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I keep forgetting his name, daniel.
I do the way that they speakmakes the normal people feel
like shit.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, feel like shit.
Yeah, it does.
Because that's what I mean.
Unless you're earning fuckingmillions of pounds every year
and you're sitting in that chairgoing, I've got millions of
pounds, I can do whatever I want.
If I want to retire now, I'llretire now.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
If I want to move abroad, I'll move abroad but
then that's an entrepreneur aswell, someone who could do that
but they don't, because theykeep going yeah, yeah, but it
like this whole like.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's why I didn't really have an opinion on it.
But the more I think about it,the more it is pissing me off
mate that what you said right.
There is why I do what I do.
Yeah, because there aren't anyrelatable people that are still
part of the people that aremaking money, that are doing
well for themselves and sayinglook, what's achievable.
Everyone else at the top,whether they do it intentionally
(21:41):
or not, mate, they're lookingdown their fucking nose and
they're saying, well, you may,maybe if you, you do what I did,
you could have what I can have.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, cheers, mate, but that's bullshit because it
what works for one persondoesn't necessarily work for
everybody.
Like we said before, there's beone entrepreneur that gets up
at four, 30 every morning, doestwo hours in the gym, goes to
work and he's done loads of workbefore.
There'll be anotherentrepreneur that could be in
the stocks and the stockmarket's in the evening.
He don't get out of bed tillsix in the evening.
(22:09):
He's up through the night, yeah, yeah, there's entrepreneurs
who are in the constructionindustry.
There's entrepreneurs who arebuilding tech.
There's so many differentavenues.
As this whole entrepreneur,there's so many different ways
to make money.
Yes, but this wholeentrepreneur, there's so many
different ways to make money.
Yes, but like I said, and I'llstick with it, it's not for
everyone.
Like you said then you had if,you had an if in your story.
(22:32):
If you're willing to do thework, that's right.
You've got to be determined.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You've got to be determined.
Yeah, I mean, if you're a lazybastard and you sit on a sofa
and you don't want to doanything ever, you ain't going
to get anywhere.
No, they're side hustles forthe broken lazy.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
They're real, aren't?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
they yeah, yeah, drives me nuts.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And all these, all these people doing like people
say I saw a TikTok the other day, oh, I want to become a dinger.
What course should I do?
Well, do three of them, causeyou need to take something that
that guy's telling you andsaying that that bloke's telling
you Mate that's exactly it.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So I had the £200 to £100,000 challenge and I gave
myself two years to do it and Istarted it with Amazon FBA.
And then, when I starteddiversifying my income streams,
everyone was like, oh, I thoughtthis was an Amazon journey.
No, it was never an Amazonjourney.
It was turning £200 into£100,000 over two years.
(23:23):
And as I got in this and Ifigured out what I was doing, I
found out what I liked, what Iwas good at and what I could
make money doing.
So actually I was doing AmazonFBA.
I was doing an Amazon FBAdigital course.
I wrote an e-book on it.
I was getting YouTube adrevenue no-transcript five Can't
(23:44):
remember the other two, that'sshocking, but and then I was
also doing the podcast, butbasically a lot of them were to
do with me talking, which hasnothing to do with Amazon FBA?
Yeah, but Amazon FBA enables youto learn retail.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, and I think it's like they'll sit on all
these podcasts.
And this is my problem withsome of the podcasts now is that
they're interviewing people,that they're up here already,
yeah, and you sort of get thisas a as a young 60.
And I agree what Gary said I'mfucking sick to death of all
(24:18):
your entrepreneurs sitting theretelling a 19 year old he can be
a millionaire.
He's right.
He's right and I agree withthat what he said, with that,
because they're sitting thereand that's why we do this,
because we're not up there andwe're sort of going on a journey
.
We're all trying to betterourselves because we're
entrepreneurs.
But I think the kids todaywatching, like Stephen Bartlett,
(24:41):
daniel Priestley, admirationfor them that what they've
achieved is phenomenal and Ilove the story.
But you have to go back and youhave to learn that Stephen
Bartlett came from nothing andhe worked fucking hard and he
made his own opportunities andhe took the opportunity when it
came and his book's really good.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
He's a bit like Marmite, isn't he?
Loads of people don't like him,but loads of people really like
him.
I like the geezer.
I think he's quite likable.
Personally, he's another one.
So with gary stevenson really,really liked him, start looking
at, started looking at him andstarted finding flaws.
Steven bartlett didn't reallylike him, but started looking at
him and found things I reallylike about him.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's interesting so I I followed daniel and I did a
couple of live webinar thingswith him and they tell you this
and this and this, and I was abit pissed off at the end.
I don't know whether I shouldsay this or not, but it's the
truth, untold.
I spoke it, I had a call, I didthe thing and I signed up and I
filled in all thisquestionnaire and stuff.
(25:42):
And then I had a phone callwith some guy in an office
somewhere in Sanford, whereverhe was about coming on to their
sort of platform to help mebecome a better entrepreneur and
grow the journey.
And they do all this, they giveyou all the spill on that.
And then I sort of said, no, Ineed some time to think about it
(26:03):
.
And that was it.
I I didn't hear anything and itwas kind of.
What really pissed me off isthat it was kind of like a sales
pitch where if you don't signup today, then the offer's off
the table.
I've had a few of them.
No, I don't think that that's.
I don't think that's the rightway to be in business.
Trust me, man, andentrepreneurship, and I don't
feel that you need to put.
If your service is that good,you shouldn't need lengthy
(26:27):
contracts.
You shouldn't need to sit thereon a Zoom call with someone and
send them the bank detailsthere and then and wait on the
call until they do it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
It's still happening now.
It's an old-fashioned process.
I did a TikTok on this theother day, saying the sales
funnel, come in here, click here, click there.
Give me your email address andI'll give you something for free
, and it's usually a video thatthey did in five minutes.
Sometimes I put a bit of moneyabout it, but then you're going
to be peppered with nothing butsales emails nothing.
(26:57):
Some people do it as anewsletter Great, there's value
in that, and there won't be muchsales behind it.
And they'll try and get adspent.
Fine, they try and upsell youthousands, thousands, thousands,
thousands.
They then create scarcity.
Not many spaces left.
Yeah, oh, it was five grand,but now it's three just for you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now are you gonna talk about this.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You don't have to say no, I'm not certainly known,
but you know, I approached acompany, big company, um looking
to better myself at some somesort of level.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Are you going to say the industry?
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I'm not even going to do that.
All right, and the course wasfive and a half grand.
I thought that's a lot of money.
I got an email about 15 minuteslater.
Oh, because it's you, you know,we've got a couple of spaces
left on the next course.
We'll let you have it for 1,250quid.
I mean, come on, it's free andI've got it.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I've said before, I've got common sense Common
sense kicks in then, doesn't it?
My biggest thing with that is,I feel straight off the bat,
they've devalued their product.
How can you have something thatit started off it was 20 grand
mate, des, it was 20 grand mate,but for you you can have it for
7.99.
Instantly you're thinking no,fuck that.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, that's not what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I was thinking he thinks I'm a right cock, this
geezer he thinks I'm going tofall for that.
Yeah, yeah, but if someonecomes to, you.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, we've nearly sold out.
We've got a couple of spacesleft.
Well then, keep it at the sameprice, pal because it's clearly
selling yeah, yeah and it's just.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
If people can't see through that nonsense, people
don't and this is the problem.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Right, we talk about people, which leads me right
into what I wanted to say aboutgary and daniel the.
The people that watch thesepodcasts and listen to these
podcasts 99.9 of them haveprobably not got second
businesses.
They don't earn loads of money.
They're looking up to thesepeople because they've got shit
loads of money.
They're very successful.
You've got one saying you haveto be an entrepreneur, you have
to do this, you have to do this.
And when daniel speaks, hetalks about big companies that
(28:48):
sell for millions.
And when um gary speaks, hetells everyone you're fucked if
you're, if you're, if you're alow, lower class or you're not
middle class anymore, you're alllower class.
If you're in that bracket,you're fucked you ain't getting
out of it.
And he also tells you that he'sa millionaire every two seconds
yeah, yeah, but you know, mostpeople are never going to get to
where Daniel Stevenson is.
Daniel Stevenson, that was agood one.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Where Daniel is.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Most people are never going to get there.
We probably will never getthere in our lifetimes.
I don't want to, I don't want to, because you know he's got a
very different mindset to mostpeople and that is why it's the
1%.
You know there's a reason forthat.
But Gary telling everyone thereis no way of making money if
you're on the poverty line,you're not going to get out of
it Bollocks.
I woke up one morning.
I went on TikTok.
(29:32):
I watched the video.
I've been doing it for 14months.
I didn't make any money forfive months, still stuck at it
because I believed in it.
I am closer to earning sixfigures than I am to earning
five figures in the last eightmonths.
I don't talk about money, but itpisses me off that he sits
there and he says you cannotmake money.
If you wake up one morning andyou want to bet your lives, I
(29:54):
don't give a fuck who you areSorry for the language, but I
don't give a fuck who you are.
If you want to earn money,there's money to be earned and
when you've got people like thattelling you that you cannot
earn money, you can't betyourselves this.
This is sorry.
I've made a business out ofgiving people hope.
That's how I've made my money.
That's how I've made mybusiness in my communities by
giving people hope he is amillionaire from the working
(30:17):
class.
Saying you cannot be amillionaire from the working
class, it doesn't ring truebecause he's the geezer.
That's literally contradictinghis own bloody argument.
So what we do and I'm sorry thismight be a plug, I don't care.
We literally teach people forfree how to learn on tiktok for
free, and we've seen it throughyou, through joe, who made four
(30:40):
grand last week, through clairewho made who does faceless
videos, doesn't even show herface on camera Thousands of
pounds every month.
They only started in October.
We've got thousands of peoplethat we're genuinely helping for
no money, with a message ofhope, because if they were
coming in and we went no way.
You've got no chance.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
The thing is as well like what you're doing and this
sort of leads into thisentrepreneurship journey.
Anyone can do it with asmartphone and an internet
access, and for big businesses,it's the best way to get your
products out there.
Yeah, imagine giving a productto 300 different people and have
300 different people posting600 different videos a day about
(31:24):
it for a week.
That's it, mate.
That's our service, and you'renot actually paying them unless
they sell a product, becauseit's all done on commission.
Yeah, apart from the setup feesand stuff, exactly Anyone can
do it.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
We've literally just signed.
We've only been going a coupleof weeks, We've signed.
They're a company called FreeSoul.
They are the second biggesthealth and supplement brand on
TikTok supplement brand onTikTok and they've agreed to
give free samples to hundreds ofour clients who can then
promote them for free and again,we would be giving them
(31:54):
hundreds, hopefully a thousand,adverts over the course of this
week.
So the affiliates make money,the brand makes money and we as
the agency make money.
We've created a business model.
I call it.
The rising tide raises all theships.
We don't charge our affiliatesany money whatsoever, but when
they do well, we do well.
Through the back door it'spossible.
(32:16):
There are models out therewhere you can learn, where you
can make money.
The days of these millionaireswhere they would have sent you
down sales funnels with all ofthose tactics we just talked
about, they're old.
Now they're gone.
People are waking up to them.
I think it's important tomention actually before people
get carried away.
Obviously there are a lot ofscammers out there.
You know I don't want to sithere and tell everyone it's easy
(32:36):
to make money, because thereare a lot of ways you canok or
sit on the internet and fall forthese traps and go down these
funnels, you know, and waste themoney that they don't have?
yeah, definitely, but it'salways been there it's always
(32:58):
been the same.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
It's just a digital age now I remember that's it um,
back in the day, when my it wascold calls, wasn't, it't it?
Well, no, my dad paid.
A marketing agency came in witha couple of glossy magazines
yeah, we're this, we're that.
We send out 50,000 copies.
It's this, it's new, it'swhatever it was.
It took him for like four grand, never got an ad.
We've got big companies likesomeone used to make a big book
(33:22):
every year, come to us, we'regonna do digital.
We're gonna do digital stuff.
Paid them thousands of poundsfor nothing, and this is big
companies.
I honestly think that the bestway for people to learn is to
watch people like us, yeah, whoare doing it, who are not up
here, they are aspiring to be,because we can learn from
(33:43):
everybody.
Agree, and that's why I lovedoing this podcast and having
these conversations.
It's amazing what you can learndown the pub from your mate.
Yeah, who's doing?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
something yeah and the most important message that
we need to get out as well isthat none of it's easy.
No, none of it's easy, and Ihate that, that phrase.
Choose your hard.
I hate that, but not doinganything is isn't easy.
If you've ever given up smokingor you've ever stopped drinking
or you've ever stopped eatingcrap food, you've got the
(34:11):
motivation to do things.
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I mean, it's all you need yeah, or getting up at 5am.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
You know, yeah, easy.
You know you have motivation todo things, so just use it and
just try.
Yeah, and you say about friendsat the pub and everything you
know if you want to better yourlives and you're surrounded by
dickheads, get away from thedickheads.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, because they'll only hold you back they don't
want you to be successful anyway, so now we're not saying don't
listen to Daniel Priestley,stephen Bartlett, rob Moore,
everybody don't listen to them.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
They've all got great messages.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, what we're saying is pick what you need
from these conversations.
Don't sit there and, oh my God,I've got to do that tomorrow
Exactly how he done it, Becauseit won't fucking work for you.
That's it, Mate.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I've met Rob Moore and interviewed him.
So inspiring.
His story is fascinating, yeah,so inspiring.
All of them, such fascinatingstories.
And what they don't tell you isthey don't tell you what good
they do with that money.
Yeah, they always do.
I pressed Rob on itspecifically, I went right whose
life have you changed with themoney in the platform you've got
?
And he ratted out a couple ofstories.
Mate, I was nearly in tears.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
The generosity is unbelievable, and that's it.
And I really like Rob.
I really like him.
I went to one of his seminarslast year and he took the time
to have conversations withhundreds of people and it was
really, really good and the teamaround him was fantastic.
And I've seen Stephen Bartlettlive and I've watched Daniel
(35:38):
Priestley's stuff and read hisbooks.
I've got Gary Stevenson's bookbecause I want to pick bits out
of his story that I can resonatewith, not necessarily aspire to
be any of these people.
That's it.
You've got to be your ownperson.
And, like you said, you weredoing TikTok for five months
before you made any money, andthat's it.
(35:59):
If you think that, oh my God,he's made four grand in a day,
I'll do it tomorrow.
That's not going to happen.
No, no, no, you've got to berealistic with it.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
When we talk about Joe.
She's been going since Octoberand she's been doing anything
between three to five posts aday since October.
That is hard, yeah, hard.
Took me two years.
Yeah, definitely Right, I thinkthat place to wrap it up.
Yeah, yeah, so basically we'reright.
Everyone else is wrong.
Yeah, that's it, isn't it?
Yeah, good stuff.
And my missus, she's alwaysright as well yeah, so is mine,
(36:30):
mine's not.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
We've definitely ended it there.
I'm joking, tiff, I love it sothat's yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
that's an interesting take on that particular debate
with those particular charactersat the level that is much
closer to the everyday person.
I think that was vital.
Yeah, I really enjoyed that,though, boys.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So I didn't say this at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
So we're going to say at the end that was Chris,
hello, goodbye.
And that was Ash, hi bye.
And my name's Des.
Tell your friends where we are.
We're making a difference inthis place, see you.
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