June 2, 2025 • 40 mins
No filters. No scripts. Just Des and Chris, reflecting on what it really feels like to walk away from the 9-5.
In this episode, Ash is away — so Des and Chris take the mic for a stripped-back chat about quitting their jobs, going full-time on TikTok, and learning how to build a new life from scratch.
They talk honestly about:
- The fear and freedom of leaving your steady job
- How relationships change when you're more present at home
- Why consistency beats talent
- The difference between your dream job and your safe job
- Dealing with self-doubt, money worries, and finding your ‘reason why’
There’s banter, honesty, and a lot of insight into the risks and rewards of taking control of your time.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to the Untold Podcast.
With me I'm Des, this is Chris,Good morning or evening
afternoon.
And this is Ash.
No, he's not here.
Hello, Ash isn't here.
Ash is seeing his parents inSpain.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So this week you've just got me and Chris maybe it's
Ash that brings the sun to thepodcast studio, because every
time we come here it's sunny.
Yeah, that's true it's rainingtoday.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It might be me.
Ash, come back.
I've dressed for the sun.
I haven't even got socks on.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You have got a coat on though this is more just
token for the outfit okay, I'mabout to come without a t-shirt
on, just to watch, so I don'tget too hot.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
This stays in the car .
I put it on as I'm walking inand I take it off as I'm walking
out.
I don't know what that smellwas.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
This is what happens when Ash isn't here Right, talk
me through your Bank holidayweekend, mate.
What have you been up to thisweek?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
well, nothing really.
I've just sat on the sofa allweekend just watching TV fair
enough.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
What about you?
Yeah, same yeah that's the show.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, bye everybody.
Thanks for that.
No, I've had a really goodweekend, mate.
To be fair, started on, startedon Friday, went up to the
Belfry, played the PGA Tour on aFriday, put PGA course on the
Friday and then played the RyderCup Tour on a Saturday.
Then I went to obviously, watchCrystal Palace lift the cup at
(01:54):
the parade yesterday, which wasvery, very good.
Didn't have much beer yesterday, I was quite disappointed, not
through choice though.
Yeah, well, kind of not throughchoice, because I was with my
son who didn't want to drink.
The youth man, the youth aren'tinto the beer like me.
Oh yeah, they don't love theparty anymore, do they?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I kind of feel sorry for them, but I'm also a little
bit jealous.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah well, I wasn't jealous yesterday.
Tuesday I was back at abouthalf past seven, eight o'clock
last night.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I was ready to do this podcast on my own.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, Well, I did tell you last week didn't I, you
did.
You did, yeah, so maybe itwasn't actually as good a
weekend as I thought it was.
To be fair.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
How about you?
We had.
My dad was 75 and my niece was21.
They both had the same birthday.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So for 21 years my dad's birthday hasn't existed.
That's a variety of a party ifI've ever heard one.
Oh no, yeah, oh no, but again,well, no, actually, because she
does love a drink Eves.
So, no, it was nice.
So we just went up the pub onSunday afternoon, all the kids,
(03:06):
a few hours.
But other than that saturday wejust sort of potted about mate,
it's all go.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
This road show coming on friday good road show.
I've got a road show.
Well, it's too late now.
This will be going outafterwards.
So you had a road show on theroad show yeah, but, mate, it's
mental, it's mental.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I've got to write this whole thing we've got.
I think this will be the lastone that I do on my own yeah, I
mean organize it on my ownbecause we got five panels.
We've got an amazon group andof course I've been having
conversations with them abouthow their panel will go and how
much involved they want,involvement they want to have
and figuring out like any giftsthey want to give away.
We've got the tiktok one and ofcourse, mate, we're split
(03:40):
between kind of two agencies,aren't we?
yeah so I want to make sureeveryone gets their spotlight,
but at the same point, we wantto introduce new things to it
and at the same point, me andLuke want to talk about
affiliation.
Yeah, then we got the sidehustle, which is Lisa.
Now I can talk about this now,because it's it's gone, but Lisa
and Amy are going to announcetheir collaboration for the
(04:02):
first time at the thing.
They're launching it, but Amyonly flies back from holiday on
the Friday.
So I'm going to have an iPadmaybe, and if Amy's able to make
it, she can come on the iPadand they can announce this thing
together.
Nice, and I was going to do itas a running theme for oh, is
Amy coming?
Is Amy coming?
I don't think we're going to bedoing that?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, it's a lot to think about in one day, isn't it
?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's it.
Then we got the podcast and ofcourse it was going to be the
Untold podcast, but then thingshappened and now it's going to
be.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Luke's podcast.
I'll basically let everybodydown.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah Well actually I'll say my baby's here, let
everybody down, yeah for Luke's,but I've got to make sure Luke
gets the spotlight and it's allto that.
And then I've got to memorisetwo speeches, an opening and a
closing.
And then I've got to thinkabout the event itself, the
social, the getting up thereThursday, the goodie bags that
(04:53):
we want to give away.
Ron's coming on to do a livemasterclass.
I want to make sure that hegets the credit he deserves for
that.
Do not age, you've justmessaged me, me, we want to come
and we'll bring some goodiebags.
Got the sponsors coming up,mate, it's just, it's mental.
So this weekend was me and chatGPT laying it all out.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Alright, ash, I know so I had a fun weekend and you
just had a really busy one thenyeah, that's it, that's my life.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And so, mate, I've run these two road shows fairly
quickly, back to back, threemonths apart.
I'm going to have a break.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I'm going to break.
What did you get one of thoseholidays?
Reply back for one of them.
Holiday things did you.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
No, I never had a break.
I can't believe they didn'tGutted.
That's my loving offer.
I had one company ring me back.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Des, I just I'll pay, I'll pay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
How much?
50p?
Yeah, I don't mind paying formy travel.
When do?
You want your holiday Right inthe middle of August, but no
money please.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Lots of charts, mate.
Thank you, Lots of charts.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But I think what would be good, mate, why don't
we talk about how leaving yourjob has gone for you?
Yeah, I'm happy to do that?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
yeah, because I'm happy.
Yeah, exactly right, yeah,right, yeah, I mean, I can't
even really begin to put it intowords what it's actually done,
right, it is difficult toexplain.
It's really difficult toexplain.
I was, you know, I was reallynervous about doing it.
I've been wanting to do it formonths and months and months and
(06:29):
then I had the opportunity tobe able to do it and I thought
fuck it, I'm going to just giveit a go.
What have I got to lose?
Someone said to me I can'tremember it was, it might've
even been you.
You've the job.
Go and do it full time, see ifit works.
If it doesn't work, then you'venot missed out on the
opportunity yeah, wouldn't havebeen me.
And you can go back and get thetools back out of the garage
(06:49):
and start all over again,because you've got that trait.
And I can't remember where itwas, but someone said it to me
and it literally.
I would have told you to burnthe tools and throw them off a
cliff there it's going to all goto yeah, um, somebody put it
into that, those terms for me,and I thought to myself do you
know what?
they've got a point I'm notgetting any younger, I'm only
(07:09):
getting older every day.
And I've got a three-year-oldson that is doing exactly what
I'm doing.
He's getting older every dayand I'm going to miss out on the
opportunities I'm going to misswith him otherwise.
And what is it?
This is my fourth week now, orMaybe this might even be my
fifth week actually.
I mean, that's how bad it is.
I can't even remember when Igive up.
How quick has that gone?
Yeah, and to be honest, Ihaven't even really gone really
(07:33):
into depth of what I should bedoing by now, but it's been
amazing, mate.
I mean, obviously, fa Cupwinners in that month has been
amazing, but it's really justbeen what it's given me.
With my family, mate, I feellike I've got a relationship,
close relationship, with mymissus again, because obviously
I was just doing lives in theevenings and never spending any
(07:54):
time with her and stuff likethat and working all day.
I feel like the relationshipwith my son is just phenomenal.
You know like I get to see himevery morning.
I go live till eight o'clock inthe morning.
I was live till eight o'clockin the morning.
I was live till eight o'clock.
This morning I came in the houseand he's in the lounge and,
first thing he done, sprintedacross the room, gave me a
massive cuddle and a kiss and Idon't get to do.
(08:20):
I never got to do that in thedaytime when I was at work.
You know, full time I am verylucky about I mean, don't get me
wrong, there is days where I doworry.
I went live the other day andhad four people in the live for
nearly 15 minutes and that, letme tell you something, that puts
the willies up you when you'vequit your job.
I must have been going live atthe same time.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Probably what it was.
Yeah, Everyone was watching me.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, it was, I'm not going to lie.
I was petrified, I bet, butit's just been amazing and you
know I don't talk about money alot, but even just going full
time and doing it, it's justalmost like it's given me this
new found not want, but it's theneed to earn on TikTok now.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You know it was a side hustle before.
Now it is my job.
It's your job.
I don't have the choice of ohGod, my alarm's going off at
half five in the morning.
I'm not getting up, I'm goingback to sleep.
I don't have that optionanymore because I haven't got
the income coming in every month.
So my alarm went off thismorning.
I went it at 20 to 6 last nightinstead of half 5.
And well, I usually get up athalf 5.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh right, so you did 10 minutes didn't you?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, I looked at it and I thought, oh, I can't be
arsed this morning.
Maybe I'll just go on at likequarter to 7 or 10 to 7 or
something, just for an hour.
I thought, no, what are youdoing?
You can't do that.
You get to spend the whole daydoing whatever you want.
If you get up if you get up now, go live to your weight you can
spend the whole day doingwhatever you want, and then
you've got to do your live againthis evening.
So I jumped downstairs, went tothe toilet, brushed my teeth
(09:50):
done my hair, made me lookpretty and then jumped out into
the studio and there I was donemy work for the day.
Hey, very good all right.
Yeah, it was good.
Yeah, not too bad mate.
Yeah, mustn't grumble, it'salmost.
It's almost like the someone'sflicked a switch TikTok have
gone right.
Actually, this guy is in hisbusiness now.
Let's make his lives a littlebit better.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
That's exactly what happens when you're consistent
and you've got a time slot thatother people ain't doing.
That's what happens.
Well, the thing is.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I have been very consistent as well.
I do it.
The only times I ever don't isif I'm away and I can't actually
physically do it.
Yeah of course, but it is.
I mean we tell everyone, don'twe?
You've got to be consistent.
Most people, I think, just getpissed off for that word.
I know when I first started outon TikTok it used to drive me
out the wall.
Be consistent be consistent.
(10:39):
Well, I'm being sick of peopletelling me to be consistent and
blah, blah blah and post this,this, these two or three videos
every single day for blah, blahblah.
And well, it's not working, butit does, it does.
One day it will get picked up.
I hope it does for everybody butyou do see most people
eventually look at like I mean Iwon't talk about it too much
because the original group thatwe started working with six
(11:02):
months down the line, a lot ofthose are now making money
because they were consistent.
But yeah, I mean in a in a in along about short way.
It's been brilliant, mate.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
That's it.
We're finding it with ourcohort.
Now it's six, it seems to besix, seven months.
We did this on the webinar lastweek, the TikTok sponsored
webinar.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Thank you.
Last week, the tiktok sponsoredwebinar.
Thank you very much.
We, uh, I've done that, thankyou.
Thank you, I was gonna listen,but I was playing golf, so I
didn't that sound like you'rebeing very consistent does it,
but we?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
that was the message.
That that was exactly themessage.
You're gonna get pissed off ofthe fact that you need to be
consistent, but you've got tostay in the room because if you
stay in the room, you can't lose.
You can't.
Nobody can break the personthat keeps showing up.
It's impossible.
But, mate, no, I'm absolutelybuzzing for you.
But I think it is important togo back through that little
roller coaster of emotionsbecause he, you and I, we've
(11:54):
both quit our jobs in the lastyear and you and I, we both had
the statistics to show that wecould do it.
Yeah, but we were both hesitantto do it.
Yeah, I think that's reallyimportant and I think it was
taken out of my control.
A lot of what happened with mewhen I can talk about it another
day but in my head I was goingto go right, if I earn that much
(12:16):
, I'll go down to four days aweek, then I'll go down to three
days a week, then I'll go downto two days a week.
I think, in hindsight, that wasnever going to work.
Yeah, in hindsight, there wasalways going to be a breaking
point where I was just going togo.
You know what no done.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, that's exactly what we used to do.
I mean, I've always noted thegroup chat, didn't I?
Before saying I'm going to cutdown to three days instead of
five, and then I ended upworking five days a week for
about another six weeks and itjust never, never happens're
still doing that.
So come and do this as well.
It's just impossible, isn't itExactly?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
There was a bloke who was an Amazon seller.
He literally sat me down with awhiteboard.
It was a new whiteboard so hewas showing it off.
But he had this whiteboard andhe was saying to me look what
you've earned in the last 12months and you've done it on
three hours a day.
Now throw seven hours a day atit more in this year than you
have ever earned in your life.
Yeah, and then I saw a postfrom Jack and I'd only met Jack
(13:05):
at one time at this point, orhad I even met, I'd had a phone
call with him at one point.
I saw a post from him saying ifyou've got a three-month notice
period, throw your, put yournotice in and then see what you
can do in three months.
Now I wouldn't recommend thatto anybody.
I was in a lucky position whereI'd been building up for two
years.
You know what I mean.
But even then I was terrified.
(13:26):
And when, especially PAYE boy,my pay slip was taken for
granted, you know, I could havea pony month at work, literally
just cover the bases, and I'dget the same amount of money as
if I worked really hard.
And when that last pay slip hitand Claire said to me right, can
we cover the bills and we'vegot to think about the
(13:46):
remortgage in about six months'time.
I'm like shit, all right, andthen you kind of get to work.
But ironically around aboutthat point is when we started
shifting from Amazon to TikTok,so things kind of dipped and
went through.
We're kind of just coming outthe other end now, but I think
you hit the nail on the head,mate.
The relationship I've got withmy kids now is unbelievable,
(14:08):
especially my third-born, tommy.
So we're going up to Claire'sfolks on Wednesday and then she
and I we're driving up toManchester on Thursday and we're
going Thursday night, fridaynight, away.
The last time we spent any timeaway from Tommy was our
honeymoon in January 2022.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Nearly three years.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And even last night.
I don't want you to go becausehe's never known, he can't
remember a time.
Yeah, what a lovely problem tohave, right.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Isn't it?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Bearing in mind he's older brother and sister, I only
see him seven days out of 14.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah it's a nice thing, but yeah, it is, it's one
.
It's you kind of like.
I know you'll remember this,but when we do the zoom calls
and stuff, like back in octoberwhen we first started, I've
always had my reason why, always.
That's why I've always alwayssaid that he's my reason why.
Yeah, the only reason that I'vecarried on going through all of
the rough times and tiktok andall the shit and the broken
(15:05):
pages and stuff is because Iknew that I could give him a
better life.
That's been it.
And I said to my missus thismorning like she's obviously
just running a TikTok shop,she's trying to do videos and
stuff.
She said she's not got enoughtime and everything and she
doesn't know how she can findthat time.
And I just said to her I saidwatch this Reason why.
And I called him and he wenthuh, because he didn't know
(15:28):
that's, that's what he's called.
And I said come here and hecome like shuffling in like a
dog, because the dog's in thehallway.
He's pretending to be the dogand I said, look, there's my
reason why.
That's how I find time.
You know, she was like, oh,yeah, but you always used to
moan.
I was like, yeah, but I alwaysused to moan, but I still did it
.
I still found the time to do itbecause I wanted to do it for
him.
So I said now that is yourreason why.
So you need to find that and itis important to find that.
(15:49):
But when your kids do see, heknows now that I'm doing it for
him.
I've made it obvious, I've madeit very clear that he's at home
and I've given my job up to workat home so that I can be there
for him.
It just gives you this sense offulfillment in yourself much
more.
Don't get me wrong, I did usedto like my job for the banter
(16:10):
and side of things, but I usedto go to work and every minute I
was there I didn't want to bethere.
I said a minute ago I wasplaying golf.
Friday, saturday, I was inBirmingham playing golf.
I was away from my family.
Yesterday I was at thecelebration for the FA Cup, my
crystal palace in the FA Cup, ohsorry.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Celebratory For the FA Cup.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Crystal Palace win the FA Cup.
You know my wife.
I think that everybody thatsees me, that speaks to me,
probably says he spends a lot oftime Away from home.
I don't like being away Fromhome that Friday.
I could have quite easilyPlayed golf on the Friday
Lunchtime, come home Fridayevening and just not play golf
On the Saturday.
And unless Crystal Palace Didwin the FA Cups because they won
the FA Cup last.
Saturday, last Saturday, Iwouldn't have been away on that
(16:51):
day, you know so, and I I don't.
I actually do miss my familyand I and I never really did
when I was at work, I justwanted to be at home.
But because I've got thatrelationship, I build that
relationship because when youhave kids, you kind of lose,
become mum and dad.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, you don't get your lunch.
You're caregivers don't you?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, that's it Sitting after dinner together
and then you go to bed and yougo and repeat the whole day.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Especially now.
Mate, my oldest is 11.
So by the time she goes to bed,we're ready to go to bed as
well.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, it is brilliant.
It is brilliant If anyone'sthinking about it, if anyone's
genuinely thinking about givingup their job.
If you can, I've had a few DMSrecently because obviously I've
done a post the day that Ifinished work.
From from work, I've had quitea few DMS from people saying
what did you say?
See you later you mugs.
I was on my own.
Actually, that's on my own.
(17:41):
I did say that in my head.
Obviously I drive, I drive pastthe office going, but no, I've
had quite a few dms of peoplesaying oh, is it easy to quit
your job?
How did you know when youshould quit it?
Quit your job when you know youcan earn enough money to to
cover what you're earning now.
That's the only time, likeloads of people said to me just
(18:01):
quit your job, man, you'remaking this much money, quit
your job, just quit it.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's easy for people to sit onthe outside and say quit your
job, yes, when they don't knowwhat is going on behind your,
the scenes of your house or inyour own head or whatever.
Like we've all got our ownfeelings, we've all got our own
issues and that's that's reallyimportant.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But I think it's also vital to say in your situation
yes, because business wise,there's no overheads for you.
No, if you run a cash flowstyle business, you've got to
say right, yeah, can you makeenough money to replace your
wage and can you afford to takethat out of your cash?
Flow as well.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Tiktok shop's perfect mate, honestly it is the, it is
.
This is the thing, right.
So I'm earning really goodmoney, right, really good money
I haven't got.
I mean, the most money I spendis driving to this podcast every
week.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That is my outgoings.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I have to put diesel in my van.
I've still got the van.
I'm looking to get rid of it.
If anyone wants to buy atransit van, ring me up.
I don't have to do anything.
I don't need business insurance, I don't need tools, I don't
(19:12):
need van insurance.
I don't need to pay wagesanymore.
I don't need to buy, replacethings that go wrong every week.
You know, if one of my sandalsor something broke, it's like
800 pound, yeah, so I'd have togo straight to the decorators
merchants, get another one inbecause we need it on the job,
and it happens all the time.
You know, if one of thesprayers breaks down, it's it's
a reoccurring cost to get fixed.
Um, I didn't realize how much Idon't have to pay out.
It's crazy, isn't it?
Honestly, it's mental.
I reckon my outgoings, probablyfor insurances and fuel and
everything, were probably bestpart of £1,000 a month.
(19:35):
Yeah, yeah.
That's amazing and I haven't gotthat at all anymore.
All I've got to do is just addon to the electricity bill a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's it, which now you can reclaim partially back
on VAT.
Yeah, partially back on VAT.
Yeah, it's crazy, it is crazy.
The TikTok side hustle is thebest one.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Everyone says to me oh so what do you do?
Do you have to, like, buy allthe products and you've got like
a load of stock and everythingMust be a right pain packing it
all up?
No, mate, just put a link atthe bottom of the video, yeah.
Or like, just put a link in thelive and all people do is click
on it and you get a percentageof commission.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Man, you'd be amazed.
We're onboarding brands at themoment that aren't on TikTok
shop and they don't understandthat.
Like okay, what do you wantwith these samples, Do we?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
send them all to your house?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
No, it's fine, Don't worry about it, Just get
fulfilled the normal way.
Yeah, it's incredible, but evenas an agency, there still
aren't many overheads the waythat we're doing it.
I mean, if you've got an officeand staff and stuff like that,
yeah, of course.
But I mean we're using VAs andme and Luke are doing most of
the work, I mean, or theyhaven't, but yeah it is nuts
(20:36):
mate, but the freedom it takessome getting used to and I think
that's really important.
I think the main thing and Isay this because luke called
himself quick you're nine tofive for years and years, but
luke will be the first to tellyou he didn't really have a what
you'd call traditional job verylong.
(20:57):
He worked in sales, he workedat the football club, he worked
and then he thought he got hisamazon business sort of thing
and his dad was an entrepreneur.
So luke sort of was he a mascot?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
at the football club.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Sorry he won't listen to this.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And I said to him I went, look, when you've got the
kids and the mortgage and stufflike that, quitting your job
especially me, mate, publicsector, I was old Bill.
You don't get sacked from theold Bill unless you were an
absolute wrong and it's thesafest job in the world.
So even leaving the old Bill tothe civil service, mate, that
was a risk.
I'd be like, oh, what happensif there's redundancies?
Come on, it's fine.
(21:38):
But then quitting you don'tjust especially in the PAYE, you
don't just lose your salary,you lose your sick pay.
Of course, mate, you never hadsick pay, did you Nothing so you
lose your annual leave.
Your pension's always taken careof.
If something ever happened tome, claire would get a lump sum.
That's gone.
Critical illness cover, lifeinsurance Sometimes people have
(21:59):
private health All of that stuffdown the toilet gone completely
.
National insurance is takencare of.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It's all these things just meant to keep you safe.
You know what I mean.
But at the same time, they keepyou safe, but are they actually
letting you break away and dosomething better for yourself?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Exactly?
No, they're not.
It's in their interest to keepyou safe.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Of course it is, yeah .
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And just keep you enough, just enough.
But now I've gone exactly thatthat people seem when I talk
about the school run.
I never moan about the schoolrun, even though my school run
is long, I have to leave it'sproper long.
I leave about quarter past two.
I don't get back to about halfpast four and I don't moan about
it because I know how lucky Iam to do the school run.
(22:43):
I know there's been times whereI've had to get someone to
cover me so I can go pick up thekids, or my mum and dad would
have to do it and they're like,no, I'll do it.
I'll do it, it's fine, it'sjust, I'll stop work at 2.
I'll start work again at 5o'clock.
How lovely is that man today,today's such a big day because
it's the day after a bankholiday, monday yeah, and we're
(23:05):
both here now.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
We're both sitting here working.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
We should be, but it is one of those, but I don't
know about you, but I just kindof fell into work.
It was just something that Iknew I had to do growing up get
some education, go work.
Never really thought about whatis it you want to do yeah, to
be the people that know me verywell.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
They kind of know that I've found my thing.
They knew it before I'd evenfound it myself I must have had.
I reckon if I counted up on myhands, I'd run out of fingers
for jobs by probably about thenumber 10.
I reckon I've probably had 20different careers in the last 20
(23:50):
years.
25 years I've been a barman,I've done wood shavings,
spreading for chicken farms,I've worked in hotels, I've
worked at Sainsbury's, I'veworked as a decorator, a tiler,
a carpenter Just loads and loadsof different jobs, just because
I never could be asked to doanything about doing something I
wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Got into the trades because I'm a bloke and I
thought, well, if I don't knowwhat I'm going to do, I might as
well learn a trade, and thenkind of just went through it.
I tried to be a plumber once aswell, and that was too boring,
so I gave that up.
But always, when I was atschool, I wanted to be on TV.
That's what I wanted to be.
I wanted to be a televisionpresenter yeah, kids presenter.
Actually, when I was like in myteens, I mean looking at kids
(24:31):
presenters.
Now there is no fucking way Iwould be a kids presenter Like
Ralph.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
No, I'm not back in those days, I'm talking about
the ones nowadays?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, not like Ralph Harris or Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Tava or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But no, I look at them now and I think I I could
never have done that.
I was a bit of a funnycharacter when I was young, but
I could never be all that hypedup person.
But now I've kind of got ontoTikTok and sometimes I'm on the
live, like the other night I hada really funny live.
We've got these flash salesthat we're doing at the moment
and there was a lady in therecalled Joanne.
(25:02):
She was trying to get somethingat this flash sale price.
So I managed to get her threedeals at this price and she
missed out.
But three other people got themand I was laughing my head off
and everyone was going oh no,joanne, in the comments and it
became this little bit of athing.
So I said right, joanne, I'vegot access to another load.
I'll set another deal up foryou, but you make sure you get
this one.
And I put the three on going.
(25:25):
Come on, john, you can do it,you can do it, you can do it.
Guess what?
She missed out again.
But I caught myself in thecamera with a massive smile on
my face and I realized to myselfactually I'm kind of doing what
I wanted to do when I was a kid, because, although I'm not on
TV, I am, on the modern day,equivalent to a TV, aren't I?
Because people watch theirphones more than they watch
(25:46):
their TVs.
So I am a presenter on TikTok Isuppose you could call it,
because it's presenting thebrand, or whatever.
But I feel like I have kind offound what I was looking for for
all those years.
It's really weird.
I spoke about it with Polly,one of the ladies on our
community that always wanted tobe on TV, and she was like
(26:09):
you've done it.
You know, you're kind of on TVnow and it is.
It's like I've almost fulfilleda dream of mine without even
meaning to fulfill it.
Yeah, don't get me wrong.
If there's anybody watching orlistening that is on a TV
programme or like part of anybroadcasting channel, dm me.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Chris wants to do kids TV.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yeah, yeah no, yeah, no, not kids TV something like
Top Gear, if it ever comes outagain.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I'll have the.
I'll have the insurance payout,but yeah, honestly it's.
I always thought you lookedlike Mr Tumble.
It's a mad one.
Yeah, don't, sorry, don'tyou're a shining star can't
believe.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I just did that mate, that was a lot worse.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You could have done but yeah, honestly it's weird.
It's really strange, like lifehas just completely flipped
upside down and I'm a much nicerperson yeah, much nicer person
to be around.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I love that you say that that's you're right
throughout school.
I got sent to stage school fora couple of years when I was a
kid Much nicer person to bearound.
I love that you say that.
That's that's you're rightThroughout school.
I got sent to stage school fora couple of years when I was a
kid.
I was always the one who was inthe school play.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I was always the one that would sing at the school
thing.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You was Billy Elliot, weren't you?
I was Billy Elliot, was youactually?
Yeah, yeah, only gayer and I,even up until like 20s, I used
to sing.
I used to sing at like cabaretshows.
I used to sing at drag shows.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Well, come on, they're not just done at Mr
Tumble.
Impressions.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, it's better than that.
I was the token straight actorat a drag show.
I had an agent and all sorts.
If you had told me that so Iwould have been 20, 21 years old
then.
If you then said in 10 yearstime that geezer's going to be a
civil servant yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Working in financial institutions yeah piss off, gone
from having fun to being boredout your life every day.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That's it, yeah that was some sense of duty.
For some reason I just to fallin line, yeah, and I gave all
that up and all I would do wasjust do karaoke when I was
steaming with my mates from thefootball club was that can I
just ask?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I'll just bump in there.
Have you got?
Did you go from that to thatbecause of the noise around you?
Was it because people?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
were saying that you should get a proper job.
Not really.
It's an interesting point.
My family were all verytraditional, Even though it was
my family that sent me to stageschool.
Even when I'm doing now,they're like I don't know how
you did that, I'm like you'rejoking.
You sent me to stage school.
You're surprised that I'mflamboyant here.
What's going on here?
So I went to university.
Because I felt like I should goto university and to do that, I
(28:34):
ended up working at Amex,because university fees had
kicked in by the time I went.
And then I went to work forVirgin on the airlines, which
was the best of both worlds, youknow.
I mean, I could mince up anddown the plane.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I mean, you have gone from one extreme to the other,
haven't you?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It's nuts, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
The career path you started at to where you are now
is just so polar opposite.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It's gone, isn't it?
So yeah, there would be mecamping it up on the planes,
loved that job, loved that job,but I'm being told back home at
that point that's not a career.
Yeah, you're away too much.
I was missing all of the socialevents.
I was 23, 24, missingeverything that was going on.
That's prime party years, isn'tit?
And I wasn't there because Iwas in the caribbean having a
(29:15):
terrible time.
You know what I mean.
So, um, after two years, Ipissed everything down the
toilet.
I'd already come out ofuniversity with a load of debt
and then I found myself in a jobwhere you're on the other side
of the world with a bunch ofyoung people going out every
night.
I was in so much debt.
After a couple of years.
That's when I went all right,I'll join the police.
That was the flip mate 180 fromcabin crew to police.
(29:37):
And then I was in serious jobsand it took me all this time.
And I would see these peoplemate when Logan Paul, amanda
Cerny King Bach.
I would see people mate whenLogan Paul, amanda Cerny King
Batch.
I would see PewDiePie.
These were like the YouTubersthat started making it big, and
I'm seeing their money and I'mthinking I'm all right at this,
(29:58):
I know I'm all right at this.
And then I see people that werepony making it through.
You've seen some of Mr Beast'searly videos oh my God.
And I'm thinking I could have ago at this.
Why am I doing this?
And I started dabbling in ithere, there and everywhere.
I never found really a passion.
It was kind of a weight lossthing, because a lot of them
were making money sort ofplaying FIFA, and I thought
(30:19):
those days are gone.
No one's going to want to watchme front.
But yeah, then I came into thisdoing the 200,000 pound
challenge because I had to do it.
You know what I mean.
I was passionate about thatbecause it was my bloody life
(30:39):
and yeah it just all of a suddenit's flipped.
You're right, I am now.
If you looked at me, we're 20years old and you say that
geezer would be doing TikToks.
Helping people do TikToks, thatwould make sense.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, it's mad and it how things change.
I mean life changes so much.
I mean my sister in our Katieshe.
What are you doing, man?
Like you're 40 years old, sortyour life out.
And my missus as well.
She's like through COVID.
I can remember sitting outsidethe front with the neighbours
because you used to be able tosit in your front garden getting
pissed in.
Every day my missus used to beover the other side of the road
(31:11):
on the curb by the woods with myneighbour's little girl and
they'd be doing little dancingto TikTok videos.
And I'm thinking, fucking hell,this is someone, pass me
another beer.
And I used to just abuseeveryone for being on TikTok.
Like, just get off of there,stop wasting your time.
And then all of a sudden I'm onTikTok all the time.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know I walked upstairs the other day and they
went oh, all I see is you on theFIP now all the time on there,
like even my mates say I can'tbelieve you stuck with it, chris
Stewart, stuck with TikTok.
Are you going to be doing thatevery day?
And you've even made it yourfull-time job.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Mate, you're on it a lot.
You're on my FYP more than everAm.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
It's good mate, you can tell.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
You've gone proper to town on the FYP, I'll be on it
even more soon, but it'sinspiring man.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Me and Luke had a conversation yesterday and said
look, we need to be posting more.
I saw Cam Eastie.
He's now just doing 20-secondposts on a brand-new account,
built it up to 6,000 followersand he's not talking about
anything.
But he's engaging and he's good.
You know what I mean.
I'm thinking I'm engaging.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I should be just talking nonsense about my car
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, this is the thing.
This is what people get lost in, don't they?
They think you just have to doone thing on TikTok.
Tiktok goes out to millions ofpeople.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Not everyone's interested in the one thing you
might be talking about now.
It's like the podcasts.
We've got podcasts that dobetter than others.
That's because people areinterested in more in other ones
than they are others, you know.
I mean you can't do normalvideos On normal videos.
You can do shot videos andanything.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You're right, let's do a social experiment.
I'm going to do a TikTok rightnow, me and you while we're
recording.
Hello everyone.
Me and Chris are here Morning.
This is the Untold Podcast.
Give us a follow, will you?
Cheers, That'll be a TikTok.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Bit short.
You could have gone for acouple more words there, like
we're recording or something.
We're talking about our day.
All right, no, I'm joking, justkeep it as it is.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We're going again.
Hello everyone, Hang on.
Blocked the microphone.
I've got a new phone, by theway.
Hello everyone, it's ChrisMorning.
Everybody, we're in the studio.
We're recording a podcast.
We are next Tuesday.
No, I won't see you then.
And you see me and him makingthis TikTok, talking about
(33:27):
making a TikTok, even though Ican't say the word TikTok.
This post is pony.
This ain't going out.
We'll just forget about that.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That's why.
That's why you I always say youshould always watch your
TikToks at least five or sixtimes before you post them.
It's a little training episodethere, that's it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well, that's social experiment.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
I've just probably lost everyfollower I've ever had on my
TikTok as well now I'm going togo home and write a CV.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I think I better get my job back.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, get that police officer job back.
Probably not allowed, thoughnow you've been on.
Tiktok, mate, they hate me.
Yeah, yeah, they hate me.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Although I saw someone the other day my boy, it
turns out.
My boy goes to school withsomeone that I used to work with
, and she saw me.
She went you're coming up inthe world now, aren't you?
I went, am I?
She went yeah, which is lovelythat.
That's how my old work nowseems.
Yeah, yeah, it's good, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, it is like when I first started doing it,
everyone used to take the pissout of me, and then the noise
started slowly dying away alittle bit and then the piss
taking started going, you'reactually making money doing that
?
Then yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sright.
Yeah, how much are you making?
well, I'm not telling you howmuch I'm making, but you've
asked me if I'm making money andI've said yes oh, alright, then
well you're obviously notmaking enough because, well,
(34:38):
I've got a plan mate, I'm goingto try and get some savings in
the bank so that I can quit myjob, but didn't tell them that.
And then, when I told the ladthat worked for me that I was
going to go full time, he waslike I'm surprised you're
waiting this long to be fair,because why wouldn't you so?
It was quite nice that otherpeople could see that it was
obviously they, rather than whatI thought about myself, because
(35:01):
it's taken a lot longer for meto think I'm doing well for
myself than it has other people.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And that's it, mate.
We speak so horribly aboutourselves to ourselves If we
thought how other people.
Polly's a perfect example.
I wish Polly could listen tothe advice that Polly gives
other people 100%.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Because she's amazing .
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Honestly, on the Friday night club the other
night, when we were talkingabout her and her daughter, I
was like, oh God, like she cameon my live and I gave her a
shout-out.
She was like, oh my God, heknows you.
Like he gave you a shout-out,mum.
Like what's all that about?
Well, it's because she's abloody amazing woman.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
God, he's a legend.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
She helps so many other people out.
You phenomenal and I mean itwas we had a chat, didn't we?
We went, we had a coffee abouta month or two ago and we both
walked away from that chatfeeling different, yeah, totally
different yeah, I liked youbefore that um, I've come away
from that feeling so much moreconfident about myself.
I was going to say the samething before.
You said it to be fair, but hebeat me to it.
Um, but it is.
It does take time.
You know, like we sitting outlike confident time.
You know, like we sitting outlike confident I'm, you know I
(36:05):
come across very confident.
Now I know that I can.
I can tell that, by the way,I'm just talking now.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Compared to the first podcast we done I don't shut up
now the first one I didn't eventalk.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You know, but it does take a long.
On TikTok for over 18 months.
It probably took me 14 monthsto turn around and just have a
little brainwave and go actuallyjust be yourself, be confident.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I think the thing that changed in me and you, mate
, is that we both startedactually listening to each other
yeah.
You and I, we've neverbullshitted each other.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
No.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And we always come from the place where I know what
I'm going to say to you mightsound manipulative blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
We always say that to eachother.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But we've never bullshitted each other.
Yeah, that coffee a couple ofmonths ago.
We listened, yeah, and webelieved it.
Yeah, you know what I?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
mean.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, yeah, but it's just the confidence levels they
do.
If you're not confident now andyou're on TikTok, if you carry
on six months to 12 months time,absolutely right and you'll be
a different person for thebetter.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
It will be the person that you left behind in
childhood.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, don't get me wrong, there are some dickheads
that appear on TikTok.
You might go into therethinking you're a nice person.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They were dickhead kids as well, being a bit big
headed.
Yeah, they were dickheads atschool.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Well, yeah, exactly yeah, but it does change some
people that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
But everybody's desperate for money and we get
that and a lot of people startseeing a bit of money and they
start getting selfish about it.
They can grab more and theyforget who they are or they
become their true selves, whichwas a big one and where they've
come from.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I think that's important.
You always remember where youcome from and the people that
have helped you out as welldon't think you're bigger than
anybody.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You what?
One of the things that I'mgoing to be talking about now
the road show is going to benext week.
My closing speech is we'regoing to lean on the themes of
the day and I'm going to kind oforchestrate that.
I know what the themes of theday are going to be and it's
going to be consistency andstaying in the game and
resilience and all that stuff.
But we're going to have itacross multiple different sort
of formats and I'm going to saylook, stay in the game and when
(37:59):
you start winning, realize whoit is you are.
When you found the thing thatmakes you win, carry on doubling
down on that thing.
Don't then look at shiny objectsyndrome somewhere else.
But when you do start winning,just look forward.
Don't look sideways, becausesome people are going to be
happy for you.
Some people are going to beangry with you.
For what?
For no reason whatsoever.
Some people are going to bebitter and then some people are
(38:20):
going to copy you, yeah, and youget so caught up with the
people behind you that arecopying you.
You end up looking sideways oryou end up looking back and you
become obsessed with thosepeople when you're on a forward
path.
Yeah, and I have to tell myselfthat a lot yeah.
Especially these last couple ofweeks, and I've said it to Luke.
I've showed Luke the speech.
I said this is what I'm goingto be talking about and he went.
(38:41):
I need to hear that and allBecause it's so true, mate.
It's so true.
There are people that perfectexample and I'll tell you what.
Going back a little bit, we'retalking about quitting our job.
I spoke to a guy last week whoruns a brand, amazon private
label seller.
I taught him Amazon.
He then went off and didprivate label, launched a brand
on Amazon absolutely flying.
Launched a brand on Amazon,absolutely flying.
Launched it on TikTok.
(39:03):
Spoke to him last week and Isaid to him close to quitting
your day job now, because he'solder than us and he's in some
decent consultancy job.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And he went.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I don't need to.
He said I work in sales.
I've just signed a long-termdeal.
The commission is out of thisworld.
I'm making about 400 grand amonth in revenue on Amazon at
the moment.
So you could argue he's getting10% to 20% of that, probably
sharing with a business partner,and they're scaling up.
They want half a mil per monthby quarter three and they're on
(39:33):
track.
And he said I've got nointerest in quitting my job.
That's fine.
I'm like mate, good for you,you don't have to quit your job.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
You know what I mean if you're happy His kids, mate.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Good for you, you don't have to quit your job.
You know what I mean if you'rehappy his kids are grown up and
all that sort of stuff.
So that's perfectly fine withhim.
But what I love about him isthat he doesn't care about other
things or other people, he'sjust moving on.
Really inspiring stuff, mate,really inspiring.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Lost my train of thought, yeah that wasn't even a
question, you just got too.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Inspired there, didn't you talking about the
fact that I helped the skis tostart?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
on Amazon, yeah, yeah anyway, I think that'll do,
mate, don't you?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I think that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I think it is right.
So quit your job or don't, it'sup to you go full time on
TikTok or don't or don't.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
It's up to you.
Be a better person or don't ordon't?
It's up to you.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
No.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Get a job on.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
CBeebies, it is yeah, yeah, it's just important
Whatever you do in life, just beyourself.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
That's it Right.
We'll see you next week.
Ash will be back.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
We're not going to give up.
What's happened to Ash whilehe's been in Spain?
Yeah, we'll let him tell thatstory.
Bet he might be wearing a hatRight in the meantime.
I'm Des.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
I'm Chris.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
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We're still only what two,three months in this podcast is
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to the Untold Podcast.
With me I'm Des, this is Chris,Good morning or evening
afternoon.
And this is Ash.
No, he's not here.
Hello, Ash isn't here.
Ash is seeing his parents inSpain.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So this week you've just got me and Chris maybe it's
Ash that brings the sun to thepodcast studio, because every
time we come here it's sunny.
Yeah, that's true it's rainingtoday.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It might be me.
Ash, come back.
I've dressed for the sun.
I haven't even got socks on.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You have got a coat on though this is more just
token for the outfit okay, I'mabout to come without a t-shirt
on, just to watch, so I don'tget too hot.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
This stays in the car .
I put it on as I'm walking inand I take it off as I'm walking
out.
I don't know what that smellwas.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
This is what happens when Ash isn't here Right, talk
me through your Bank holidayweekend, mate.
What have you been up to thisweek?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
well, nothing really.
I've just sat on the sofa allweekend just watching TV fair
enough.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
What about you?
Yeah, same yeah that's the show.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, bye everybody.
Thanks for that.
No, I've had a really goodweekend, mate.
To be fair, started on, startedon Friday, went up to the
Belfry, played the PGA Tour on aFriday, put PGA course on the
Friday and then played the RyderCup Tour on a Saturday.
Then I went to obviously, watchCrystal Palace lift the cup at
(01:54):
the parade yesterday, which wasvery, very good.
Didn't have much beer yesterday, I was quite disappointed, not
through choice though.
Yeah, well, kind of not throughchoice, because I was with my
son who didn't want to drink.
The youth man, the youth aren'tinto the beer like me.
Oh yeah, they don't love theparty anymore, do they?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I kind of feel sorry for them, but I'm also a little
bit jealous.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah well, I wasn't jealous yesterday.
Tuesday I was back at abouthalf past seven, eight o'clock
last night.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I was ready to do this podcast on my own.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, Well, I did tell you last week didn't I, you
did.
You did, yeah, so maybe itwasn't actually as good a
weekend as I thought it was.
To be fair.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
How about you?
We had.
My dad was 75 and my niece was21.
They both had the same birthday.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So for 21 years my dad's birthday hasn't existed.
That's a variety of a party ifI've ever heard one.
Oh no, yeah, oh no, but again,well, no, actually, because she
does love a drink Eves.
So, no, it was nice.
So we just went up the pub onSunday afternoon, all the kids,
(03:06):
a few hours.
But other than that saturday wejust sort of potted about mate,
it's all go.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
This road show coming on friday good road show.
I've got a road show.
Well, it's too late now.
This will be going outafterwards.
So you had a road show on theroad show yeah, but, mate, it's
mental, it's mental.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I've got to write this whole thing we've got.
I think this will be the lastone that I do on my own yeah, I
mean organize it on my ownbecause we got five panels.
We've got an amazon group andof course I've been having
conversations with them abouthow their panel will go and how
much involved they want,involvement they want to have
and figuring out like any giftsthey want to give away.
We've got the tiktok one and ofcourse, mate, we're split
(03:40):
between kind of two agencies,aren't we?
yeah so I want to make sureeveryone gets their spotlight,
but at the same point, we wantto introduce new things to it
and at the same point, me andLuke want to talk about
affiliation.
Yeah, then we got the sidehustle, which is Lisa.
Now I can talk about this now,because it's it's gone, but Lisa
and Amy are going to announcetheir collaboration for the
(04:02):
first time at the thing.
They're launching it, but Amyonly flies back from holiday on
the Friday.
So I'm going to have an iPadmaybe, and if Amy's able to make
it, she can come on the iPadand they can announce this thing
together.
Nice, and I was going to do itas a running theme for oh, is
Amy coming?
Is Amy coming?
I don't think we're going to bedoing that?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, it's a lot to think about in one day, isn't it
?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's it.
Then we got the podcast and ofcourse it was going to be the
Untold podcast, but then thingshappened and now it's going to
be.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Luke's podcast.
I'll basically let everybodydown.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah Well actually I'll say my baby's here, let
everybody down, yeah for Luke's,but I've got to make sure Luke
gets the spotlight and it's allto that.
And then I've got to memorisetwo speeches, an opening and a
closing.
And then I've got to thinkabout the event itself, the
social, the getting up thereThursday, the goodie bags that
(04:53):
we want to give away.
Ron's coming on to do a livemasterclass.
I want to make sure that hegets the credit he deserves for
that.
Do not age, you've justmessaged me, me, we want to come
and we'll bring some goodiebags.
Got the sponsors coming up,mate, it's just, it's mental.
So this weekend was me and chatGPT laying it all out.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Alright, ash, I know so I had a fun weekend and you
just had a really busy one thenyeah, that's it, that's my life.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And so, mate, I've run these two road shows fairly
quickly, back to back, threemonths apart.
I'm going to have a break.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I'm going to break.
What did you get one of thoseholidays?
Reply back for one of them.
Holiday things did you.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
No, I never had a break.
I can't believe they didn'tGutted.
That's my loving offer.
I had one company ring me back.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Des, I just I'll pay, I'll pay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
How much?
50p?
Yeah, I don't mind paying formy travel.
When do?
You want your holiday Right inthe middle of August, but no
money please.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Lots of charts, mate.
Thank you, Lots of charts.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But I think what would be good, mate, why don't
we talk about how leaving yourjob has gone for you?
Yeah, I'm happy to do that?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
yeah, because I'm happy.
Yeah, exactly right, yeah,right, yeah, I mean, I can't
even really begin to put it intowords what it's actually done,
right, it is difficult toexplain.
It's really difficult toexplain.
I was, you know, I was reallynervous about doing it.
I've been wanting to do it formonths and months and months and
(06:29):
then I had the opportunity tobe able to do it and I thought
fuck it, I'm going to just giveit a go.
What have I got to lose?
Someone said to me I can'tremember it was, it might've
even been you.
You've the job.
Go and do it full time, see ifit works.
If it doesn't work, then you'venot missed out on the
opportunity yeah, wouldn't havebeen me.
And you can go back and get thetools back out of the garage
(06:49):
and start all over again,because you've got that trait.
And I can't remember where itwas, but someone said it to me
and it literally.
I would have told you to burnthe tools and throw them off a
cliff there it's going to all goto yeah, um, somebody put it
into that, those terms for me,and I thought to myself do you
know what?
they've got a point I'm notgetting any younger, I'm only
(07:09):
getting older every day.
And I've got a three-year-oldson that is doing exactly what
I'm doing.
He's getting older every dayand I'm going to miss out on the
opportunities I'm going to misswith him otherwise.
And what is it?
This is my fourth week now, orMaybe this might even be my
fifth week actually.
I mean, that's how bad it is.
I can't even remember when Igive up.
How quick has that gone?
Yeah, and to be honest, Ihaven't even really gone really
(07:33):
into depth of what I should bedoing by now, but it's been
amazing, mate.
I mean, obviously, fa Cupwinners in that month has been
amazing, but it's really justbeen what it's given me.
With my family, mate, I feellike I've got a relationship,
close relationship, with mymissus again, because obviously
I was just doing lives in theevenings and never spending any
(07:54):
time with her and stuff likethat and working all day.
I feel like the relationshipwith my son is just phenomenal.
You know like I get to see himevery morning.
I go live till eight o'clock inthe morning.
I was live till eight o'clockin the morning.
I was live till eight o'clock.
This morning I came in the houseand he's in the lounge and,
first thing he done, sprintedacross the room, gave me a
massive cuddle and a kiss and Idon't get to do.
(08:20):
I never got to do that in thedaytime when I was at work.
You know, full time I am verylucky about I mean, don't get me
wrong, there is days where I doworry.
I went live the other day andhad four people in the live for
nearly 15 minutes and that, letme tell you something, that puts
the willies up you when you'vequit your job.
I must have been going live atthe same time.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Probably what it was.
Yeah, Everyone was watching me.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, it was, I'm not going to lie.
I was petrified, I bet, butit's just been amazing and you
know I don't talk about money alot, but even just going full
time and doing it, it's justalmost like it's given me this
new found not want, but it's theneed to earn on TikTok now.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You know it was a side hustle before.
Now it is my job.
It's your job.
I don't have the choice of ohGod, my alarm's going off at
half five in the morning.
I'm not getting up, I'm goingback to sleep.
I don't have that optionanymore because I haven't got
the income coming in every month.
So my alarm went off thismorning.
I went it at 20 to 6 last nightinstead of half 5.
And well, I usually get up athalf 5.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh right, so you did 10 minutes didn't you?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, I looked at it and I thought, oh, I can't be
arsed this morning.
Maybe I'll just go on at likequarter to 7 or 10 to 7 or
something, just for an hour.
I thought, no, what are youdoing?
You can't do that.
You get to spend the whole daydoing whatever you want.
If you get up if you get up now, go live to your weight you can
spend the whole day doingwhatever you want, and then
you've got to do your live againthis evening.
So I jumped downstairs, went tothe toilet, brushed my teeth
(09:50):
done my hair, made me lookpretty and then jumped out into
the studio and there I was donemy work for the day.
Hey, very good all right.
Yeah, it was good.
Yeah, not too bad mate.
Yeah, mustn't grumble, it'salmost.
It's almost like the someone'sflicked a switch TikTok have
gone right.
Actually, this guy is in hisbusiness now.
Let's make his lives a littlebit better.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
That's exactly what happens when you're consistent
and you've got a time slot thatother people ain't doing.
That's what happens.
Well, the thing is.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I have been very consistent as well.
I do it.
The only times I ever don't isif I'm away and I can't actually
physically do it.
Yeah of course, but it is.
I mean we tell everyone, don'twe?
You've got to be consistent.
Most people, I think, just getpissed off for that word.
I know when I first started outon TikTok it used to drive me
out the wall.
Be consistent be consistent.
(10:39):
Well, I'm being sick of peopletelling me to be consistent and
blah, blah blah and post this,this, these two or three videos
every single day for blah, blahblah.
And well, it's not working, butit does, it does.
One day it will get picked up.
I hope it does for everybody butyou do see most people
eventually look at like I mean Iwon't talk about it too much
because the original group thatwe started working with six
(11:02):
months down the line, a lot ofthose are now making money
because they were consistent.
But yeah, I mean in a in a in along about short way.
It's been brilliant, mate.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
That's it.
We're finding it with ourcohort.
Now it's six, it seems to besix, seven months.
We did this on the webinar lastweek, the TikTok sponsored
webinar.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Thank you.
Last week, the tiktok sponsoredwebinar.
Thank you very much.
We, uh, I've done that, thankyou.
Thank you, I was gonna listen,but I was playing golf, so I
didn't that sound like you'rebeing very consistent does it,
but we?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
that was the message.
That that was exactly themessage.
You're gonna get pissed off ofthe fact that you need to be
consistent, but you've got tostay in the room because if you
stay in the room, you can't lose.
You can't.
Nobody can break the personthat keeps showing up.
It's impossible.
But, mate, no, I'm absolutelybuzzing for you.
But I think it is important togo back through that little
roller coaster of emotionsbecause he, you and I, we've
(11:54):
both quit our jobs in the lastyear and you and I, we both had
the statistics to show that wecould do it.
Yeah, but we were both hesitantto do it.
Yeah, I think that's reallyimportant and I think it was
taken out of my control.
A lot of what happened with mewhen I can talk about it another
day but in my head I was goingto go right, if I earn that much
(12:16):
, I'll go down to four days aweek, then I'll go down to three
days a week, then I'll go downto two days a week.
I think, in hindsight, that wasnever going to work.
Yeah, in hindsight, there wasalways going to be a breaking
point where I was just going togo.
You know what no done.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, that's exactly what we used to do.
I mean, I've always noted thegroup chat, didn't I?
Before saying I'm going to cutdown to three days instead of
five, and then I ended upworking five days a week for
about another six weeks and itjust never, never happens're
still doing that.
So come and do this as well.
It's just impossible, isn't itExactly?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
There was a bloke who was an Amazon seller.
He literally sat me down with awhiteboard.
It was a new whiteboard so hewas showing it off.
But he had this whiteboard andhe was saying to me look what
you've earned in the last 12months and you've done it on
three hours a day.
Now throw seven hours a day atit more in this year than you
have ever earned in your life.
Yeah, and then I saw a postfrom Jack and I'd only met Jack
(13:05):
at one time at this point, orhad I even met, I'd had a phone
call with him at one point.
I saw a post from him saying ifyou've got a three-month notice
period, throw your, put yournotice in and then see what you
can do in three months.
Now I wouldn't recommend thatto anybody.
I was in a lucky position whereI'd been building up for two
years.
You know what I mean.
But even then I was terrified.
(13:26):
And when, especially PAYE boy,my pay slip was taken for
granted, you know, I could havea pony month at work, literally
just cover the bases, and I'dget the same amount of money as
if I worked really hard.
And when that last pay slip hitand Claire said to me right, can
we cover the bills and we'vegot to think about the
(13:46):
remortgage in about six months'time.
I'm like shit, all right, andthen you kind of get to work.
But ironically around aboutthat point is when we started
shifting from Amazon to TikTok,so things kind of dipped and
went through.
We're kind of just coming outthe other end now, but I think
you hit the nail on the head,mate.
The relationship I've got withmy kids now is unbelievable,
(14:08):
especially my third-born, tommy.
So we're going up to Claire'sfolks on Wednesday and then she
and I we're driving up toManchester on Thursday and we're
going Thursday night, fridaynight, away.
The last time we spent any timeaway from Tommy was our
honeymoon in January 2022.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Nearly three years.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And even last night.
I don't want you to go becausehe's never known, he can't
remember a time.
Yeah, what a lovely problem tohave, right.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Isn't it?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Bearing in mind he's older brother and sister, I only
see him seven days out of 14.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah it's a nice thing, but yeah, it is, it's one
.
It's you kind of like.
I know you'll remember this,but when we do the zoom calls
and stuff, like back in octoberwhen we first started, I've
always had my reason why, always.
That's why I've always alwayssaid that he's my reason why.
Yeah, the only reason that I'vecarried on going through all of
the rough times and tiktok andall the shit and the broken
(15:05):
pages and stuff is because Iknew that I could give him a
better life.
That's been it.
And I said to my missus thismorning like she's obviously
just running a TikTok shop,she's trying to do videos and
stuff.
She said she's not got enoughtime and everything and she
doesn't know how she can findthat time.
And I just said to her I saidwatch this Reason why.
And I called him and he wenthuh, because he didn't know
(15:28):
that's, that's what he's called.
And I said come here and hecome like shuffling in like a
dog, because the dog's in thehallway.
He's pretending to be the dogand I said, look, there's my
reason why.
That's how I find time.
You know, she was like, oh,yeah, but you always used to
moan.
I was like, yeah, but I alwaysused to moan, but I still did it
.
I still found the time to do itbecause I wanted to do it for
him.
So I said now that is yourreason why.
So you need to find that and itis important to find that.
(15:49):
But when your kids do see, heknows now that I'm doing it for
him.
I've made it obvious, I've madeit very clear that he's at home
and I've given my job up to workat home so that I can be there
for him.
It just gives you this sense offulfillment in yourself much
more.
Don't get me wrong, I did usedto like my job for the banter
(16:10):
and side of things, but I usedto go to work and every minute I
was there I didn't want to bethere.
I said a minute ago I wasplaying golf.
Friday, saturday, I was inBirmingham playing golf.
I was away from my family.
Yesterday I was at thecelebration for the FA Cup, my
crystal palace in the FA Cup, ohsorry.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Celebratory For the FA Cup.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Crystal Palace win the FA Cup.
You know my wife.
I think that everybody thatsees me, that speaks to me,
probably says he spends a lot oftime Away from home.
I don't like being away Fromhome that Friday.
I could have quite easilyPlayed golf on the Friday
Lunchtime, come home Fridayevening and just not play golf
On the Saturday.
And unless Crystal Palace Didwin the FA Cups because they won
the FA Cup last.
Saturday, last Saturday, Iwouldn't have been away on that
(16:51):
day, you know so, and I I don't.
I actually do miss my familyand I and I never really did
when I was at work, I justwanted to be at home.
But because I've got thatrelationship, I build that
relationship because when youhave kids, you kind of lose,
become mum and dad.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, you don't get your lunch.
You're caregivers don't you?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, that's it Sitting after dinner together
and then you go to bed and yougo and repeat the whole day.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Especially now.
Mate, my oldest is 11.
So by the time she goes to bed,we're ready to go to bed as
well.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, it is brilliant.
It is brilliant If anyone'sthinking about it, if anyone's
genuinely thinking about givingup their job.
If you can, I've had a few DMSrecently because obviously I've
done a post the day that Ifinished work.
From from work, I've had quitea few DMS from people saying
what did you say?
See you later you mugs.
I was on my own.
Actually, that's on my own.
(17:41):
I did say that in my head.
Obviously I drive, I drive pastthe office going, but no, I've
had quite a few dms of peoplesaying oh, is it easy to quit
your job?
How did you know when youshould quit it?
Quit your job when you know youcan earn enough money to to
cover what you're earning now.
That's the only time, likeloads of people said to me just
(18:01):
quit your job, man, you'remaking this much money, quit
your job, just quit it.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's easy for people to sit onthe outside and say quit your
job, yes, when they don't knowwhat is going on behind your,
the scenes of your house or inyour own head or whatever.
Like we've all got our ownfeelings, we've all got our own
issues and that's that's reallyimportant.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But I think it's also vital to say in your situation
yes, because business wise,there's no overheads for you.
No, if you run a cash flowstyle business, you've got to
say right, yeah, can you makeenough money to replace your
wage and can you afford to takethat out of your cash?
Flow as well.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Tiktok shop's perfect mate, honestly it is the, it is
.
This is the thing, right.
So I'm earning really goodmoney, right, really good money
I haven't got.
I mean, the most money I spendis driving to this podcast every
week.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That is my outgoings.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I have to put diesel in my van.
I've still got the van.
I'm looking to get rid of it.
If anyone wants to buy atransit van, ring me up.
I don't have to do anything.
I don't need business insurance, I don't need tools, I don't
(19:12):
need van insurance.
I don't need to pay wagesanymore.
I don't need to buy, replacethings that go wrong every week.
You know, if one of my sandalsor something broke, it's like
800 pound, yeah, so I'd have togo straight to the decorators
merchants, get another one inbecause we need it on the job,
and it happens all the time.
You know, if one of thesprayers breaks down, it's it's
a reoccurring cost to get fixed.
Um, I didn't realize how much Idon't have to pay out.
It's crazy, isn't it?
Honestly, it's mental.
I reckon my outgoings, probablyfor insurances and fuel and
everything, were probably bestpart of £1,000 a month.
(19:35):
Yeah, yeah.
That's amazing and I haven't gotthat at all anymore.
All I've got to do is just addon to the electricity bill a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's it, which now you can reclaim partially back
on VAT.
Yeah, partially back on VAT.
Yeah, it's crazy, it is crazy.
The TikTok side hustle is thebest one.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Everyone says to me oh so what do you do?
Do you have to, like, buy allthe products and you've got like
a load of stock and everythingMust be a right pain packing it
all up?
No, mate, just put a link atthe bottom of the video, yeah.
Or like, just put a link in thelive and all people do is click
on it and you get a percentageof commission.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Man, you'd be amazed.
We're onboarding brands at themoment that aren't on TikTok
shop and they don't understandthat.
Like okay, what do you wantwith these samples, Do we?
Speaker 4 (20:15):
send them all to your house?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
No, it's fine, Don't worry about it, Just get
fulfilled the normal way.
Yeah, it's incredible, but evenas an agency, there still
aren't many overheads the waythat we're doing it.
I mean, if you've got an officeand staff and stuff like that,
yeah, of course.
But I mean we're using VAs andme and Luke are doing most of
the work, I mean, or theyhaven't, but yeah it is nuts
(20:36):
mate, but the freedom it takessome getting used to and I think
that's really important.
I think the main thing and Isay this because luke called
himself quick you're nine tofive for years and years, but
luke will be the first to tellyou he didn't really have a what
you'd call traditional job verylong.
(20:57):
He worked in sales, he workedat the football club, he worked
and then he thought he got hisamazon business sort of thing
and his dad was an entrepreneur.
So luke sort of was he a mascot?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
at the football club.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Sorry he won't listen to this.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And I said to him I went, look, when you've got the
kids and the mortgage and stufflike that, quitting your job
especially me, mate, publicsector, I was old Bill.
You don't get sacked from theold Bill unless you were an
absolute wrong and it's thesafest job in the world.
So even leaving the old Bill tothe civil service, mate, that
was a risk.
I'd be like, oh, what happensif there's redundancies?
Come on, it's fine.
(21:38):
But then quitting you don'tjust especially in the PAYE, you
don't just lose your salary,you lose your sick pay.
Of course, mate, you never hadsick pay, did you Nothing so you
lose your annual leave.
Your pension's always taken careof.
If something ever happened tome, claire would get a lump sum.
That's gone.
Critical illness cover, lifeinsurance Sometimes people have
(21:59):
private health All of that stuffdown the toilet gone completely
.
National insurance is takencare of.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It's all these things just meant to keep you safe.
You know what I mean.
But at the same time, they keepyou safe, but are they actually
letting you break away and dosomething better for yourself?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Exactly?
No, they're not.
It's in their interest to keepyou safe.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Of course it is, yeah .
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And just keep you enough, just enough.
But now I've gone exactly thatthat people seem when I talk
about the school run.
I never moan about the schoolrun, even though my school run
is long, I have to leave it'sproper long.
I leave about quarter past two.
I don't get back to about halfpast four and I don't moan about
it because I know how lucky Iam to do the school run.
(22:43):
I know there's been times whereI've had to get someone to
cover me so I can go pick up thekids, or my mum and dad would
have to do it and they're like,no, I'll do it.
I'll do it, it's fine, it'sjust, I'll stop work at 2.
I'll start work again at 5o'clock.
How lovely is that man today,today's such a big day because
it's the day after a bankholiday, monday yeah, and we're
(23:05):
both here now.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
We're both sitting here working.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
We should be, but it is one of those, but I don't
know about you, but I just kindof fell into work.
It was just something that Iknew I had to do growing up get
some education, go work.
Never really thought about whatis it you want to do yeah, to
be the people that know me verywell.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
They kind of know that I've found my thing.
They knew it before I'd evenfound it myself I must have had.
I reckon if I counted up on myhands, I'd run out of fingers
for jobs by probably about thenumber 10.
I reckon I've probably had 20different careers in the last 20
(23:50):
years.
25 years I've been a barman,I've done wood shavings,
spreading for chicken farms,I've worked in hotels, I've
worked at Sainsbury's, I'veworked as a decorator, a tiler,
a carpenter Just loads and loadsof different jobs, just because
I never could be asked to doanything about doing something I
wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Got into the trades because I'm a bloke and I
thought, well, if I don't knowwhat I'm going to do, I might as
well learn a trade, and thenkind of just went through it.
I tried to be a plumber once aswell, and that was too boring,
so I gave that up.
But always, when I was atschool, I wanted to be on TV.
That's what I wanted to be.
I wanted to be a televisionpresenter yeah, kids presenter.
Actually, when I was like in myteens, I mean looking at kids
(24:31):
presenters.
Now there is no fucking way Iwould be a kids presenter Like
Ralph.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
No, I'm not back in those days, I'm talking about
the ones nowadays?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, not like Ralph Harris or Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Tava or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But no, I look at them now and I think I I could
never have done that.
I was a bit of a funnycharacter when I was young, but
I could never be all that hypedup person.
But now I've kind of got ontoTikTok and sometimes I'm on the
live, like the other night I hada really funny live.
We've got these flash salesthat we're doing at the moment
and there was a lady in therecalled Joanne.
(25:02):
She was trying to get somethingat this flash sale price.
So I managed to get her threedeals at this price and she
missed out.
But three other people got themand I was laughing my head off
and everyone was going oh no,joanne, in the comments and it
became this little bit of athing.
So I said right, joanne, I'vegot access to another load.
I'll set another deal up foryou, but you make sure you get
this one.
And I put the three on going.
(25:25):
Come on, john, you can do it,you can do it, you can do it.
Guess what?
She missed out again.
But I caught myself in thecamera with a massive smile on
my face and I realized to myselfactually I'm kind of doing what
I wanted to do when I was a kid, because, although I'm not on
TV, I am, on the modern day,equivalent to a TV, aren't I?
Because people watch theirphones more than they watch
(25:46):
their TVs.
So I am a presenter on TikTok Isuppose you could call it,
because it's presenting thebrand, or whatever.
But I feel like I have kind offound what I was looking for for
all those years.
It's really weird.
I spoke about it with Polly,one of the ladies on our
community that always wanted tobe on TV, and she was like
(26:09):
you've done it.
You know, you're kind of on TVnow and it is.
It's like I've almost fulfilleda dream of mine without even
meaning to fulfill it.
Yeah, don't get me wrong.
If there's anybody watching orlistening that is on a TV
programme or like part of anybroadcasting channel, dm me.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Chris wants to do kids TV.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yeah, yeah no, yeah, no, not kids TV something like
Top Gear, if it ever comes outagain.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I'll have the.
I'll have the insurance payout,but yeah, honestly it's.
I always thought you lookedlike Mr Tumble.
It's a mad one.
Yeah, don't, sorry, don'tyou're a shining star can't
believe.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I just did that mate, that was a lot worse.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You could have done but yeah, honestly it's weird.
It's really strange, like lifehas just completely flipped
upside down and I'm a much nicerperson yeah, much nicer person
to be around.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I love that you say that that's you're right
throughout school.
I got sent to stage school fora couple of years when I was a
kid Much nicer person to bearound.
I love that you say that.
That's that's you're rightThroughout school.
I got sent to stage school fora couple of years when I was a
kid.
I was always the one who was inthe school play.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I was always the one that would sing at the school
thing.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
You was Billy Elliot, weren't you?
I was Billy Elliot, was youactually?
Yeah, yeah, only gayer and I,even up until like 20s, I used
to sing.
I used to sing at like cabaretshows.
I used to sing at drag shows.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Well, come on, they're not just done at Mr
Tumble.
Impressions.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, it's better than that.
I was the token straight actorat a drag show.
I had an agent and all sorts.
If you had told me that so Iwould have been 20, 21 years old
then.
If you then said in 10 yearstime that geezer's going to be a
civil servant yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Working in financial institutions yeah piss off, gone
from having fun to being boredout your life every day.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That's it, yeah that was some sense of duty.
For some reason I just to fallin line, yeah, and I gave all
that up and all I would do wasjust do karaoke when I was
steaming with my mates from thefootball club was that can I
just ask?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I'll just bump in there.
Have you got?
Did you go from that to thatbecause of the noise around you?
Was it because people?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
were saying that you should get a proper job.
Not really.
It's an interesting point.
My family were all verytraditional, Even though it was
my family that sent me to stageschool.
Even when I'm doing now,they're like I don't know how
you did that, I'm like you'rejoking.
You sent me to stage school.
You're surprised that I'mflamboyant here.
What's going on here?
So I went to university.
Because I felt like I should goto university and to do that, I
(28:34):
ended up working at Amex,because university fees had
kicked in by the time I went.
And then I went to work forVirgin on the airlines, which
was the best of both worlds, youknow.
I mean, I could mince up anddown the plane.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I mean, you have gone from one extreme to the other,
haven't you?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It's nuts, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
The career path you started at to where you are now
is just so polar opposite.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It's gone, isn't it?
So yeah, there would be mecamping it up on the planes,
loved that job, loved that job,but I'm being told back home at
that point that's not a career.
Yeah, you're away too much.
I was missing all of the socialevents.
I was 23, 24, missingeverything that was going on.
That's prime party years, isn'tit?
And I wasn't there because Iwas in the caribbean having a
(29:15):
terrible time.
You know what I mean.
So, um, after two years, Ipissed everything down the
toilet.
I'd already come out ofuniversity with a load of debt
and then I found myself in a jobwhere you're on the other side
of the world with a bunch ofyoung people going out every
night.
I was in so much debt.
After a couple of years.
That's when I went all right,I'll join the police.
That was the flip mate 180 fromcabin crew to police.
(29:37):
And then I was in serious jobsand it took me all this time.
And I would see these peoplemate when Logan Paul, amanda
Cerny King Bach.
I would see people mate whenLogan Paul, amanda Cerny King
Batch.
I would see PewDiePie.
These were like the YouTubersthat started making it big, and
I'm seeing their money and I'mthinking I'm all right at this,
(29:58):
I know I'm all right at this.
And then I see people that werepony making it through.
You've seen some of Mr Beast'searly videos oh my God.
And I'm thinking I could have ago at this.
Why am I doing this?
And I started dabbling in ithere, there and everywhere.
I never found really a passion.
It was kind of a weight lossthing, because a lot of them
were making money sort ofplaying FIFA, and I thought
(30:19):
those days are gone.
No one's going to want to watchme front.
But yeah, then I came into thisdoing the 200,000 pound
challenge because I had to do it.
You know what I mean.
I was passionate about thatbecause it was my bloody life
(30:39):
and yeah it just all of a suddenit's flipped.
You're right, I am now.
If you looked at me, we're 20years old and you say that
geezer would be doing TikToks.
Helping people do TikToks, thatwould make sense.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, it's mad and it how things change.
I mean life changes so much.
I mean my sister in our Katieshe.
What are you doing, man?
Like you're 40 years old, sortyour life out.
And my missus as well.
She's like through COVID.
I can remember sitting outsidethe front with the neighbours
because you used to be able tosit in your front garden getting
pissed in.
Every day my missus used to beover the other side of the road
(31:11):
on the curb by the woods with myneighbour's little girl and
they'd be doing little dancingto TikTok videos.
And I'm thinking, fucking hell,this is someone, pass me
another beer.
And I used to just abuseeveryone for being on TikTok.
Like, just get off of there,stop wasting your time.
And then all of a sudden I'm onTikTok all the time.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know I walked upstairs the other day and they
went oh, all I see is you on theFIP now all the time on there,
like even my mates say I can'tbelieve you stuck with it, chris
Stewart, stuck with TikTok.
Are you going to be doing thatevery day?
And you've even made it yourfull-time job.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Mate, you're on it a lot.
You're on my FYP more than everAm.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
It's good mate, you can tell.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
You've gone proper to town on the FYP, I'll be on it
even more soon, but it'sinspiring man.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Me and Luke had a conversation yesterday and said
look, we need to be posting more.
I saw Cam Eastie.
He's now just doing 20-secondposts on a brand-new account,
built it up to 6,000 followersand he's not talking about
anything.
But he's engaging and he's good.
You know what I mean.
I'm thinking I'm engaging.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I should be just talking nonsense about my car
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, this is the thing.
This is what people get lost in, don't they?
They think you just have to doone thing on TikTok.
Tiktok goes out to millions ofpeople.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Not everyone's interested in the one thing you
might be talking about now.
It's like the podcasts.
We've got podcasts that dobetter than others.
That's because people areinterested in more in other ones
than they are others, you know.
I mean you can't do normalvideos On normal videos.
You can do shot videos andanything.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You're right, let's do a social experiment.
I'm going to do a TikTok rightnow, me and you while we're
recording.
Hello everyone.
Me and Chris are here Morning.
This is the Untold Podcast.
Give us a follow, will you?
Cheers, That'll be a TikTok.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Bit short.
You could have gone for acouple more words there, like
we're recording or something.
We're talking about our day.
All right, no, I'm joking, justkeep it as it is.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We're going again.
Hello everyone, Hang on.
Blocked the microphone.
I've got a new phone, by theway.
Hello everyone, it's ChrisMorning.
Everybody, we're in the studio.
We're recording a podcast.
We are next Tuesday.
No, I won't see you then.
And you see me and him makingthis TikTok, talking about
(33:27):
making a TikTok, even though Ican't say the word TikTok.
This post is pony.
This ain't going out.
We'll just forget about that.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That's why.
That's why you I always say youshould always watch your
TikToks at least five or sixtimes before you post them.
It's a little training episodethere, that's it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well, that's social experiment.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
I've just probably lost everyfollower I've ever had on my
TikTok as well now I'm going togo home and write a CV.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I think I better get my job back.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, get that police officer job back.
Probably not allowed, thoughnow you've been on.
Tiktok, mate, they hate me.
Yeah, yeah, they hate me.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Although I saw someone the other day my boy, it
turns out.
My boy goes to school withsomeone that I used to work with
, and she saw me.
She went you're coming up inthe world now, aren't you?
I went, am I?
She went yeah, which is lovelythat.
That's how my old work nowseems.
Yeah, yeah, it's good, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, it is like when I first started doing it,
everyone used to take the pissout of me, and then the noise
started slowly dying away alittle bit and then the piss
taking started going, you'reactually making money doing that
?
Then yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sright.
Yeah, how much are you making?
well, I'm not telling you howmuch I'm making, but you've
asked me if I'm making money andI've said yes oh, alright, then
well you're obviously notmaking enough because, well,
(34:38):
I've got a plan mate, I'm goingto try and get some savings in
the bank so that I can quit myjob, but didn't tell them that.
And then, when I told the ladthat worked for me that I was
going to go full time, he waslike I'm surprised you're
waiting this long to be fair,because why wouldn't you so?
It was quite nice that otherpeople could see that it was
obviously they, rather than whatI thought about myself, because
(35:01):
it's taken a lot longer for meto think I'm doing well for
myself than it has other people.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And that's it, mate.
We speak so horribly aboutourselves to ourselves If we
thought how other people.
Polly's a perfect example.
I wish Polly could listen tothe advice that Polly gives
other people 100%.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Because she's amazing .
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Honestly, on the Friday night club the other
night, when we were talkingabout her and her daughter, I
was like, oh God, like she cameon my live and I gave her a
shout-out.
She was like, oh my God, heknows you.
Like he gave you a shout-out,mum.
Like what's all that about?
Well, it's because she's abloody amazing woman.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
God, he's a legend.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
She helps so many other people out.
You phenomenal and I mean itwas we had a chat, didn't we?
We went, we had a coffee abouta month or two ago and we both
walked away from that chatfeeling different, yeah, totally
different yeah, I liked youbefore that um, I've come away
from that feeling so much moreconfident about myself.
I was going to say the samething before.
You said it to be fair, but hebeat me to it.
Um, but it is.
It does take time.
You know, like we sitting outlike confident time.
You know, like we sitting outlike confident I'm, you know I
(36:05):
come across very confident.
Now I know that I can.
I can tell that, by the way,I'm just talking now.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Compared to the first podcast we done I don't shut up
now the first one I didn't eventalk.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You know, but it does take a long.
On TikTok for over 18 months.
It probably took me 14 monthsto turn around and just have a
little brainwave and go actuallyjust be yourself, be confident.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I think the thing that changed in me and you, mate
, is that we both startedactually listening to each other
yeah.
You and I, we've neverbullshitted each other.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
No.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And we always come from the place where I know what
I'm going to say to you mightsound manipulative blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
We always say that to eachother.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But we've never bullshitted each other.
Yeah, that coffee a couple ofmonths ago.
We listened, yeah, and webelieved it.
Yeah, you know what I?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
mean.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, yeah, but it's just the confidence levels they
do.
If you're not confident now andyou're on TikTok, if you carry
on six months to 12 months time,absolutely right and you'll be
a different person for thebetter.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
It will be the person that you left behind in
childhood.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, don't get me wrong, there are some dickheads
that appear on TikTok.
You might go into therethinking you're a nice person.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They were dickhead kids as well, being a bit big
headed.
Yeah, they were dickheads atschool.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Well, yeah, exactly yeah, but it does change some
people that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
But everybody's desperate for money and we get
that and a lot of people startseeing a bit of money and they
start getting selfish about it.
They can grab more and theyforget who they are or they
become their true selves, whichwas a big one and where they've
come from.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I think that's important.
You always remember where youcome from and the people that
have helped you out as welldon't think you're bigger than
anybody.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You what?
One of the things that I'mgoing to be talking about now
the road show is going to benext week.
My closing speech is we'regoing to lean on the themes of
the day and I'm going to kind oforchestrate that.
I know what the themes of theday are going to be and it's
going to be consistency andstaying in the game and
resilience and all that stuff.
But we're going to have itacross multiple different sort
of formats and I'm going to saylook, stay in the game and when
(37:59):
you start winning, realize whoit is you are.
When you found the thing thatmakes you win, carry on doubling
down on that thing.
Don't then look at shiny objectsyndrome somewhere else.
But when you do start winning,just look forward.
Don't look sideways, becausesome people are going to be
happy for you.
Some people are going to beangry with you.
For what?
For no reason whatsoever.
Some people are going to bebitter and then some people are
(38:20):
going to copy you, yeah, and youget so caught up with the
people behind you that arecopying you.
You end up looking sideways oryou end up looking back and you
become obsessed with thosepeople when you're on a forward
path.
Yeah, and I have to tell myselfthat a lot yeah.
Especially these last couple ofweeks, and I've said it to Luke.
I've showed Luke the speech.
I said this is what I'm goingto be talking about and he went.
(38:41):
I need to hear that and allBecause it's so true, mate.
It's so true.
There are people that perfectexample and I'll tell you what.
Going back a little bit, we'retalking about quitting our job.
I spoke to a guy last week whoruns a brand, amazon private
label seller.
I taught him Amazon.
He then went off and didprivate label, launched a brand
on Amazon absolutely flying.
Launched a brand on Amazon,absolutely flying.
Launched it on TikTok.
(39:03):
Spoke to him last week and Isaid to him close to quitting
your day job now, because he'solder than us and he's in some
decent consultancy job.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And he went.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I don't need to.
He said I work in sales.
I've just signed a long-termdeal.
The commission is out of thisworld.
I'm making about 400 grand amonth in revenue on Amazon at
the moment.
So you could argue he's getting10% to 20% of that, probably
sharing with a business partner,and they're scaling up.
They want half a mil per monthby quarter three and they're on
(39:33):
track.
And he said I've got nointerest in quitting my job.
That's fine.
I'm like mate, good for you,you don't have to quit your job.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
You know what I mean if you're happy His kids, mate.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Good for you, you don't have to quit your job.
You know what I mean if you'rehappy his kids are grown up and
all that sort of stuff.
So that's perfectly fine withhim.
But what I love about him isthat he doesn't care about other
things or other people, he'sjust moving on.
Really inspiring stuff, mate,really inspiring.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Lost my train of thought, yeah that wasn't even a
question, you just got too.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Inspired there, didn't you talking about the
fact that I helped the skis tostart?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
on Amazon, yeah, yeah anyway, I think that'll do,
mate, don't you?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I think that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I think it is right.
So quit your job or don't, it'sup to you go full time on
TikTok or don't or don't.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
It's up to you.
Be a better person or don't ordon't?
It's up to you.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
No.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Get a job on.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
CBeebies, it is yeah, yeah, it's just important
Whatever you do in life, just beyourself.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
That's it Right.
We'll see you next week.
Ash will be back.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
We're not going to give up.
What's happened to Ash whilehe's been in Spain?
Yeah, we'll let him tell thatstory.
Bet he might be wearing a hatRight in the meantime.
I'm Des.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
I'm Chris.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Tell your friends, share the word.
We're still growing.
We're still only what two,three months in this podcast is
going places.
Take care everybody.
Bye-bye, ciao.
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