September 25, 2025 • 26 mins
Can Michigan State take the next step and win championships? Listen to one of the best recruiters in college tennis. Head Men's Tennis Coach, Harry Jadun, has taken over the Spartans and got them to the national stage. Great stories about on campus recruiting visits and Coach Tom Izzo too!
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Ladies and gentlemen, very important guest today.
We have on. He's actually lucky to be on the
guest on the show today because unfortunately PTTS have not yet
come to Michigan State. But I'm so happy he's on the
he's on today. Harry Jaden, head coach, men's
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tennis welcome on. How are we doing?
Good. James, thanks for having me.
And yeah, I promise you once we get our new facility, $10
million new facility done, firstevent we're going to be hosting
as a summer PTT together at somematches and some, yeah, keep
them going during the summer. Hang on a minute.
I didn't have that one planned, $10 million new facility.
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We need, we need to hear about this thing.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we were lucky enough a
few years ago, one of our, yeah,major donors to the university,
the Sekia family, they made a, they made a $10 million
commitment to the university andthey designated it for men's in
women's tennis. And we're building a new outdoor
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facility. And then it will also have a
team building, locker rooms, training room, all that stuff
involved. So, you know, it's right in the
heart of campus. It's going to be beautiful.
It's it's, it's being built brick by brick.
So we're already practicing on the courts.
The courts are nice and nice andgritty, bouncy.
But the. Yeah.
And every day when we're practicing, we're just seeing
the building, you know, take shape, take form.
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So, you know, by March, when we start to take, you know, some
more matches outdoors, that thatbuilding and the courts should
be done. So excited for our guys,
especially our seniors. You know, usually when you talk
about a facility being built takes a long time.
This one you know they'll be able to play in at their final
year before they graduate. So the facility will be ready
for dual matches from March onwards.
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Exactly. Yep, that's the plan.
So we're super pumped about that, super pumped with how fast
it's gone and, and, and they're moving.
Did you have a say and did you, did you guys work together on
the speed of the courts or do you not?
Care. Yes no no, we we're big on any
time we re service courts indoors outdoors, whatever I
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always tell them make them as bouncy and slow as possible and
two reasons for that is number 1you see it on the pro tour.
That's kind of where a lot of the courts are going outside.
It seems like Cincinnati, but I was I was looking at a stat that
actually Wimbledon is, is borderline playing slower than
Cincinnati is right now. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But you know, you see that, thatthat trend on the tour, just
longer points, you know, more racket head speed.
Guys are applying more spin on the ball than they have in the
past. And then also, you know, when
you resurface courts, they they speed up over time.
So this will hopefully give us agood, you know, 3-4 years with
these courts that that, that that will train, training will
be good. And I mean, you were a you were,
you were a coach not too long ago.
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And, and I love the long ralliesduring practice, man, set some
guys up with some 2 on ones on some gritty courts, you know,
test their physicality, get themgoing and, and and gas every
single day. Absolutely.
Well, let's talk about you. OK, so you were an assistant
coach, you then Trans moved intoour head coaching role at
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Michigan State. Tell us a little bit about I've,
I've done some of these interviews, discussions with
people like yourself at other schools.
I'm always interested to hear how that transition has gone
and, and what you've learned as,as becoming and and being a head
coach. Yeah, I think I, I think the
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transition is definitely, I think mentally it takes its toll
on you. Just you go from being an
assistant coach where you know, if things don't work out, if you
lose a match or, you know, it doesn't fall on you, it goes to
the head coach more so, or if a guy gets in trouble or if a guy,
you know, has something happenedoff the court and they don't
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call the assistant coach. A lot of times they call the
head coach coach and it's kind of, hey, figure this out, you
know, how can, how can I, how can I help this kid or whatever
it is? So I think, you know, the
biggest adjustment for me was just a lack of sleep.
I mean, I was worried about everything from how our social
media was, was, was being presented to, you know, making
sure the courts were cleaned after, you know, a big
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tailgating Saturday so that whenwe practice the next day,
there's not junk all over the courts.
Like little things like that, that you don't really think of,
you know, you that those things keep you up at night and you
just want to make sure that these guys are getting the best
experience and that you're maximizing their potential while
they're here at Michigan State. So, you know, it took me a while
to get used to it. The first year of my head
coaching career was definitely unsustainable.
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Like I got married that year. We were planning a wedding.
It was my first year as head coach.
We were, we were traveling to Europe, it seemed like every
other week trying to get playersand, and it was crazy.
But now, you know, in my, I justfinished my 3rd year, going into
my 4th a little bit more, you know, settled and had my feet on
the ground and able to really kind of focus on the guys.
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And a little bit of the things that I really loved about being
an assistant coach, kind of getting all the head coaching
responsibilities done so that I can kind of get back to going
into the details with the guys and working with them
day-to-day, whether it's on the court, off the court.
But it's been fun. We're building this airplane as
as, as, as it flies. And it's, it's been fun to see
the transformation of the program.
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And you know, each year is, is posed a unique challenge,
expectations or the level of theteam or different things.
So it, it's fun to be in a program like Michigan State
because it repose every single year and you're accomplishing
new things every single year. So yeah, it's been great.
So you say that you know, building as you go, right?
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I mean, what's the vision? What's the what's the, well, you
know what, where do you see Michigan State men's tennis here
in five years? Is it is it the Michigan State
like basketball, right? If you think about Michigan
State and basketball, it's it's you know, you, you think about
Tom Izzo and you think about that amazing arena and those
amazing players that have playedthere.
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Is that is that the goal here? Is that is that where you think
is possible for the program? The vision is that I make it
home every single night around 7:00 PM, have some dinner, crack
a beer at the end of the night, and then wake up early in the
morning the next day, do it all over again.
But yeah, if I can, if I can getthrough each day, I'm, I'm a
happy camper at the bare minimumbecause it's, it's wild.
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You know, we're doing a lot, whether it's individuals,
recruiting, fundraising, all that stuff.
It's running around like a chicken with my head cut off.
But no, that really is the vision.
You know, when I when I played here, we had a great group of
guys with a chip on their shoulder, but we weren't really
competing for championships. And now we've kind of had a
taste whether it's a Big 10 championship, you know, national
championship. We got to we got to really
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cement ourself as a contender year in year out.
And that means that we've just got to continue to do what we've
done, learn from our experiences.
You know, two years ago was the first time that we qualified for
NC as in over I think it was 12 years.
And then also it was the second time we qualified for Ntas and
in our 110 year program history.So each year we learn a little
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bit more about what it takes to compete at that level and, and
just being at the top of collegetimes because the air is thin up
there. You know, the, the, the, the
differences are super, super small and it could be a line of
decision. You know, how do you pair your
double S teams in the big matches?
You know, do you put a senior with the freshman?
Do you put two young guys together, whatever it is?
So, but in the end, you know, and when we look back on this
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program in five years, 10 years,I hope that, you know, you see
us consistently in the top ten in the country competing for Big
10 championships, hopefully winning some Big 10
championships. But you know, that takes a lot
of work and it's competitive, man, these guys, these guys
don't slow down. I mean, I'm glad you're out of
the profession because I don't have to deal with you anymore.
But some of these guys, they're,they're 24/7, non-stop.
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Yep, absolutely. Well, that's actually I'm I'm,
you know, I'm starting to think about this with Michigan State
and the, and the new facility and obviously the resources that
you guys have and have have as an athletic department.
So it's very exciting to see where you think this team can be
not only this year, but in in future years too.
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What is your what is your recruiting philosophy, right?
Is there something that you stick by?
Are there certain players that you're looking for?
Is there a certain country or region in the world where you've
had great relationships with? What are some things you can
share with people out there about who you are and what you
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look for in a recruit? Yeah.
So I mean I'm I don't know what the answer to this question has
been from other coaches, but I think coaches are BS ING if they
say they don't look at UTR. Like I think UTR is a massive
indicator and nothing pisses me off more as a coach.
And I think coach Rodidi at TCU,me and him have had some
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conversation but he always says this.
You know the players that say oh, I'm a I'm a 13 UTR level but
my Ash UTR is at 12.25. And it's like, no, no, no, no,
no, no, you're a 12.25 and you can say you have a lot of
potential, but your UTR is your UTR.
And that's what I love about it.Like it comes down to winning
matches in this profession, however you do it, you know,
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and, and whether you chip all your forehands or you, you get
to the net a lot, whatever it is, you know, winning matches is
an arc and some players find a way to win, some players find a
way to lose. And, and so we definitely, you
know, the UTR jump out at the page, but then then it's also a
little bit of a a double edged sword because if a player has a
high UTR, then you're competing with the big dog.
And so, you know, you got to find those guys that are high
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Utrs and you want to compete with the top teams in the
country to win recruits. I think that's a good indicator
for your program. But then also you do want to
find those guys. Maybe they do have a bit lower
UTR, But when you see him, it pops out of the pops off the
page, whether it's their forehand or their serve.
And you're just thinking, oh man, this guy, give him two
years in a college program, maybe his freshman year.
He takes some lumps, but you know, he'll get better and
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better. I mean, you guys did a hell of a
job with that at Tennessee. I think of a guy like Monday who
wasn't a highly, he sought afterrecruit, but you know, with his
frame, being a lefty and how theball came off his racket and in
four years, that guy's the top player in the country and in the
world. So UTR is huge.
And then you we look for weaponsfor sure.
Like, you know, you have a forehand that's going to be able
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to win you points because you watch professional tennis and
and that's what the highest level of college tennis is.
It's it's challenger level tennis and those guys are not,
they're not hoping and praying to win matches when it's, you
know, 30, all 54, you're servingfor it.
You got to hit a big serve, you got to hit a big plus one and
you got to get to the net and finish the valve.
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You can't sit back and pray thatthe other guys going to miss.
That can only take you so far. So we look for weapons.
One thing that you know, anotherthing that I look for, just kind
of looking at your physicality and game style, You know, if a
guy can slide off both legs, I think that's such an underrated
skill. And nowadays because yeah, guys
can play defense really well. If they can slide off both legs
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and hit open stance, running, passing shots, things like that,
you know, you can develop the consistency, you can develop the
targets that they need to hit. You can develop a little bit of
the ball quality stuff. But if a guy has a good base,
he's a good athlete, he's got a live arm, you know, that stuff
really jumps out. And and then, yeah, just in
terms of character aspects. I mean, one thing is you got to
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love tennis. Don't come to Michigan State if
you're looking to if if you're looking, you know, to be
honestly, don't come to MichiganState if you're not looking to
be a pro tennis player. You know, we want guys that are
playing in the summers. We want guys that are playing in
the school year. You know, some of our guys will
go play. We got a couple guys going down
to champagne for a PTT. They're playing ITF men's
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tournaments. We're taking them to to
tournaments. So, you know, we want guys that
love this sport and are going towork their tails off and, and
take the feedback. Because the one good thing about
college tennis and honestly, onegood thing about PTTS is you
just get a ton of matches. And what you do with those
matches and how you learn from them is up to you.
But you're going to get a lot ofopportunities to improve your
game and you're going to play against a high level of
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competition. So if you love it, you're going
to find a way. So yeah, you look at teams that
are winning championships, thoseguys are playing a ton of pro
events and, and, and that's whatwe want to do as well.
So you kind of touched on it. But again, if there's a recruit
and he's considering Michigan State, he's considering a rival
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in the Big 10, he's considering a school in the SEC and he's
considering a school in Conference USA, Right.
And he wants to do his four visits.
He wants to do 4 visits. Yeah.
What? How are you going to get this
player? How are you going to get him?
You really want him, right? You're bringing him on a visit.
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What's your what's your what's your plan here as a coach?
Oh yeah, Oh yeah. I mean, they got to come to come
to come to town on a on a eithera football Saturday or, you
know, a basketball game for sure.
We got to show them what East Lansing's like.
You know, we got big athletics. We see we're no Kneeland
Stadium, but we see 75,000 in Spartan Stadium.
So game days are awesome with tailgating and stuff like that.
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And then the, the experience at the Breslin Center, you know, we
have one of the best student sections for our basketball team
and obviously a historic programthere.
And, and really, I think bringing them in where they can
see East dancing when it's alive, they see what it means to
be a Michigan State Spartan because people give a damn here.
You know, if you're a Michigan State athlete wearing the, you
know, the puff jacket or the hoodies when you walk around,
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people will give you a go green.They kind of recognize it.
So I think it's really importantfor people to see the passion
that people have for Michigan State athletics.
And then really, I think just sitting the player down and,
and, and I think the big thing that we've had is the Conference
USA team. If the kid chooses, you know,
the Conference USA team over Michigan State and, or, or the
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other, you know, big dogs that they're considering too good.
You know, they, they probably wanted to go to maybe a smaller
school, maybe put higher in the lineup early, whatever it is.
But when we're competing against, you know, the Big 10
rivals, the top across the country, which is where you want
to be as a coach and recruiting battle, what we're selling is,
you know, don't come here for the for the history, don't come
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here for the legacy. We don't have much.
I mean, I was a player here thattells you about the level of
Michigan State tennis. But so, you know, come here
because you wanna be the guy. And one of the two of the guys,
three of the guys that have really taken that recruiting
cell to heart are Ozone Bars, Aris Thanos and Matt Forbes.
I mean, they had offers from allover the country.
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They decided to come to MichiganState because we're different in
that we don't have Big 10 championships, we don't have
NCAA tournament appearances, we don't have all Americans, but
you're going to be the guy that when people talk about Michigan
State tennis, that's who they'regoing to remember.
So so we want leaders in that. We want kind of that
entrepreneurial mindset of, you know, hey, I want to be the flag
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bearer for this university and create a legacy rather than, you
know, go to another school wherethey already have that legacy
and you're kind of just buildingoff with somebody else hats.
So there's different pressures in that.
You know, the expectations, you know, when you first, when I
first came in weren't as hot. Now the expectations are getting
higher and higher. So you know, we're growing in a
program as that and and also theconversations that we're in with
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different recruits is a little bit better now because of the
success that we're having in therankings and and all that good
stuff that that's going on here in Michigan State.
And I'll also. Say, you know, have I met Tom?
Yeah, Coach Izzo is, is unbelievable.
And that's another thing that we, I mean, you come through
East Lansing recruit, you'll you'll find yourself in Coach
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Izzo's office and, you know, it's happened with a lot of our
recruits and a couple stories about Coach Izzo.
You know, when both Ozon and Matt were on their recruiting
visits here, I kind of texted Coach Izzo's director of OPS
and, and said, hey, you know, wegot a big time recruit coming to
town. Is it OK if he texts in
practice? And, and Coach Dizzo's chief of
staff says, hey, absolutely. And so we'll sneak into
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practice. We'll kind of just just get in
the door and, and go sit in the,in the, in the the nosebleeds.
And Coach Izzo actually comes out of his way in the middle of
his practice, you know, brings the guys down, talks to them,
brings them into his office, kicks me out of the office and
talks to them and their familiesfor about an hour.
And so, and this is all while his team is practicing.
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And so, you know, that's just a testament to the kind of guy he
is. You know, another thing that
he's done for our program is we take the guys on a little on a
little camping trip every summer.
And, and this year we did a little donor event and, and we,
we do the donor event. We're having lunch and Coach
Izzo kind of says, hey, come on,buy the house later because he
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has a house down the road. It's on Lake MI.
And, you know, I'll take the guys out on the water.
And I'm thinking maybe he's got a pontoon boat and go out on the
water for 30 minutes or something like that.
And for the next two hours, Coach Izzo is on a jet ski
throwing our guys off the tube, having fun, calling them soft,
all that good stuff, you know, saying all the basketball
players they were, they were waytougher than you guys.
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So, you know, he's so generous with it, with his time and he's
just unbelievable for all the programs here at Michigan State.
He's not the type of guy and yousee it in the interviews, You
know, he's down to earth and he's not the type of guy that's
because he's in a position of power is going to treat you a
different way. You know, he he treats the
janitors at the Breslin Center the same as his star player.
And I think that's why they've had so much success and why the
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people here in East Lansing justwon't let him, won't let him
leave. Amazing.
I absolutely love those stories.Yeah, I got.
A question. For you, obviously the Big 10
has changed lots of additions, West Coast, East Coast, how are
you, how are you guys managing that?
You know, how are you managing that travel and does it change
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how you schedule outside of conference?
Yes, 100%. I mean, we're big fans of it and
the reason why we're big fans ofit is just for us.
It's not. The travel isn't terrible in
terms of we because there are four teams that are added out
West and they're each travel partners.
So if we go out to USCUCLA like we did last year, Oregon and
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Washington come to us or vice versa.
So this year we're going to go out to UC.
I'm sorry, we're going to go outto Washington, Oregon and UCLA
and USC are going to come to us hopefully on a nice, you know,
chilly, snowy, you know, 20° dayhere in East Lansing.
We're playing indoors. The courts are fast on them and
you know, hopefully their flightgets delayed and and they don't
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get too, too much practice on our courts.
But for us it hasn't been too much travel.
And, and obviously from a scheduling standpoint, those
four teams are all historically,you know, some of them are top
10, some of them are NCAA tournament teams.
But it just makes it easier for us in the non conference
schedule. We can be a little bit more
selective about the teams we select in the non conference
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schedule just because we know that we have built in matches
against some teams that are going to help our rankings.
But you know, scheduling's an art and trying to figure out
what the best balance is and youknow, Rd. trips versus home
trips, you know, things like that.
It's it's something that you figure out as a coach as you go.
But having those teams in the inthe Big 10 is a huge advantage.
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Got it. Well, my advice would be
actually on the scheduling part is if you truly believe you have
the talent and you have the teamto go very far, schedule as
tough as you can because you should be.
Over 500. You should be over 500 and a
loss doesn't really hurt you. It's a .1 loss or something like
that. But if you happen to get a win,
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especially on the road, you, yougo right to the top.
So that would be my advice, but really talk about to talk about
that. I want to I want to talk about
your your program a little bit in terms of if there is a
recruit or player listening who's considering going to
Michigan State. How do you run this thing?
How do you how do you do your practices?
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You know, a lot of coaches are different individual team,
double s fitness, like talk us through what it is, Is it
morning individuals, afternoon team?
What's it like? And I'm sure it's no secret.
It's just who you are and how you like to run.
Yep. So so you know, a typical day
will look like we'll do our fitness.
We always do our fitness in the morning.
So about 6:30 AM the guys are, you know, either on the court,
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if we're doing on court conditioning or in the weight
room, 6:30 AM. And then that's about an hour
long. And and then after that the guys
will have sporadic classes throughout the day.
So they might have one to two classes.
You know, online is a great option here at Michigan State.
So our guys have a little bit more flexibility, especially
with American players International.
They have to have nine in personclasses, but then they'll come
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in each day. We get the guys in for an
individual where they're one-on-one with the coach for an
hour as well. And then about 2:30 PM, you
know, that's when when all the guys come in and and we'll have
our athletic trainer take them through a little dynamic warm up
activation type of thing. We try to mimic what the pros do
there. So you see what Carlos
Alcarazionix Center those guys are doing beforehand.
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We try to do it, whether it's Med balls, ladder drills, shadow
swings, whatever it is, you know, try to be unique in that
and mimic the pro tour. And then at 3:00 PM, we really
get busy with practice and and and one thing that we start off
every single practice with, we always start with a double S
touch volley. So as if you're the service
putting service partner, puttingthe ball away, just because I
feel like it gets the guys going.
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They hit one, they move out. And then also it's just a shot
that we don't get enough reps at.
And and if anybody knows collegetennis, the Doves point is
unbelievably huge with momentum and confidence going into dual
matches. So want to make sure you guys
are getting getting good touchesto put the ball away.
And then after that we'll go into it a Dubs drill full court.
We call it a basket. So we go right into it
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fast-paced, fast speeds, you know, next ball in almost king
of the court type of situation. And then whoever wins the
basket, so every champ at the end of the basket gets a little,
a little, we call it's a Gold Star.
So we have a little Gold Star standing like these guys are
kindergarteners. And so at the end of the year,
you know, we see who has the most buckets, one most gold
stars on the standings list. And then after that, you know,
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we do, we do, you know, different practices.
We have a different theme for each day.
So some days it might just be strictly 2 on ones where you
know, you're pushing your teammate, he's moving left and
right, his he's gassed at the end of it, we rotate the next
guy goes. Other days it's more point play
based. And then other days we might
break it down between, you know,two or three courts.
Each coach has two or three guysand you're doing more individual
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work, drilling, whatever it is. So we mix it up and, and, and
then another thing is at some point you got to play tennis and
that means hidden serves, hiddenreturns, playing points.
It might be a little less fun, but the more slow pace.
But the end of the day, that's what a match is.
So our guys love drilling, they love moving, but you got to get
those serves and returns in two most important shots in tennis.
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So that's kind of what it looks like.
And then they they get some homework done.
Hopefully they get their homework done.
We're on them if they don't. And then, you know, go to bed
and do it all over the next day.So it's a blast.
Again, like I said, my goal is to get home at 7:00 PM, nice
dinner, crack a beer, watch a Law and Order SVU, forget about
everything that happened that day, and we do it again the next
day. I love it.
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Yeah, last question, Last question involves your team
again. Talk us through your roster.
Are you, are you looking for January expectations for the
year? Do you guys put goals down?
Do you just wake up and work? What are you, what are you
thinking for the year for the team?
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Yeah, so. Our roster is is is full right
now, so nobody for January, but we will be looking, you know,
for, for three players for next year.
So we're staying busy on the recruiting trail.
And then in terms of goals, I mean, it goes without saying
when you have Ozan Bars, Eris Thanos and Matt Forbes and, and,
and the guys that we have on ourteam, you know, those guys can
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play at a certain level. And so we don't talk about it.
It's kind of implied in our program that we're competing for
Big 10 championships. We aren't doing all this work.
We aren't doing all this work for nothing.
And if we can win a Big 10 championship, that puts us in a
really good conversation on the national stage.
And we'll take care of that whenwe take care of it.
But first and foremost is, is, is the, the conference play.
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Ohio has obviously carried the flag for a few years now, but
you, you look at teams like Illinois, UCLAUSC big addition
here. So Michigan, Northwestern,
Indiana's got a good team. Washington's always tough.
So it's like you win the big 10,you're in really good shape.
You're you're probably a top twoteam in the country.
And, and, and that being said, you know, we talked a lot about
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that stuff last year, but we haven't really talked about it
this year. This year we've been focused on
the process, just our day-to-daygoals.
What do we look like when we're competing our best?
What do we need to improve on a day-to-day basis so that at the
end of the year, we we achieve those goals?
So, you know, the guys are working.
This is probably the most motivated team that I've had
here at Michigan State. And honestly, part of that is
because we felt like we left a little bit on the table last
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year with our squad. So the guys, they don't want to
make the same mistake twice and they're busting their butts, you
know, every single day. And, and I'm excited to see
where it takes us. I love it.
Does Ozan lead? Does he lead vocally or by work?
He leaves a little bit of both, but I mean the the more
important one is I think vocally, I mean we've got a
video and I I was catching up with Josh Lapidat of Kentucky.
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Their their their new third assistant coach and we got a
video owes on his freshman year.We were playing a hidden duel at
Kentucky and it was set point. He plays a long point, hits a
nice little drop volley and winsthe set.
And Michigan State, we've never competed against Kentucky in our
lives, right? And Ozan drops his racket and
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kind of walks off like he's hot shit.
And from that point forward, I was like, all right, we got a
guy that's not afraid of anyone.And he he drops his racket,
walks the changeover. And of course, Cedric at UK
hollers over from three courts over and says you forgot your
racket and makes Ozan look pretty silly there on the
changeover. But you know, he's fearless and
he's not afraid to go anywhere against anyone anytime and
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compete is is nuts off, honestly.
So he's I think that's the way he leads is when when it's match
day and he's playing the best ofthe best, that's when his his
best level comes out. I love it.
Well, Coach Harry, appreciate your time.
Good luck this year. I look forward to bringing the
first ever PTT to the best facility in the country.
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Look forward to helping your guys this year and I will be
following. So appreciate your time and
thank you. Absolutely.
Thank you man. Appreciate you having me on.
Ladies and gentlemen, very important guest today.
We have on. He's actually lucky to be on the
guest on the show today because unfortunately PTTS have not yet
come to Michigan State. But I'm so happy he's on the
he's on today. Harry Jaden, head coach, men's
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tennis welcome on. How are we doing?
Good. James, thanks for having me.
And yeah, I promise you once we get our new facility, $10
million new facility done, firstevent we're going to be hosting
as a summer PTT together at somematches and some, yeah, keep
them going during the summer. Hang on a minute.
I didn't have that one planned, $10 million new facility.
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We need, we need to hear about this thing.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we were lucky enough a
few years ago, one of our, yeah,major donors to the university,
the Sekia family, they made a, they made a $10 million
commitment to the university andthey designated it for men's in
women's tennis. And we're building a new outdoor
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facility. And then it will also have a
team building, locker rooms, training room, all that stuff
involved. So, you know, it's right in the
heart of campus. It's going to be beautiful.
It's it's, it's being built brick by brick.
So we're already practicing on the courts.
The courts are nice and nice andgritty, bouncy.
But the. Yeah.
And every day when we're practicing, we're just seeing
the building, you know, take shape, take form.
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So, you know, by March, when we start to take, you know, some
more matches outdoors, that thatbuilding and the courts should
be done. So excited for our guys,
especially our seniors. You know, usually when you talk
about a facility being built takes a long time.
This one you know they'll be able to play in at their final
year before they graduate. So the facility will be ready
for dual matches from March onwards.
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Exactly. Yep, that's the plan.
So we're super pumped about that, super pumped with how fast
it's gone and, and, and they're moving.
Did you have a say and did you, did you guys work together on
the speed of the courts or do you not?
Care. Yes no no, we we're big on any
time we re service courts indoors outdoors, whatever I
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always tell them make them as bouncy and slow as possible and
two reasons for that is number 1you see it on the pro tour.
That's kind of where a lot of the courts are going outside.
It seems like Cincinnati, but I was I was looking at a stat that
actually Wimbledon is, is borderline playing slower than
Cincinnati is right now. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But you know, you see that, thatthat trend on the tour, just
longer points, you know, more racket head speed.
Guys are applying more spin on the ball than they have in the
past. And then also, you know, when
you resurface courts, they they speed up over time.
So this will hopefully give us agood, you know, 3-4 years with
these courts that that, that that will train, training will
be good. And I mean, you were a you were,
you were a coach not too long ago.
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And, and I love the long ralliesduring practice, man, set some
guys up with some 2 on ones on some gritty courts, you know,
test their physicality, get themgoing and, and and gas every
single day. Absolutely.
Well, let's talk about you. OK, so you were an assistant
coach, you then Trans moved intoour head coaching role at
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Michigan State. Tell us a little bit about I've,
I've done some of these interviews, discussions with
people like yourself at other schools.
I'm always interested to hear how that transition has gone
and, and what you've learned as,as becoming and and being a head
coach. Yeah, I think I, I think the
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transition is definitely, I think mentally it takes its toll
on you. Just you go from being an
assistant coach where you know, if things don't work out, if you
lose a match or, you know, it doesn't fall on you, it goes to
the head coach more so, or if a guy gets in trouble or if a guy,
you know, has something happenedoff the court and they don't
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call the assistant coach. A lot of times they call the
head coach coach and it's kind of, hey, figure this out, you
know, how can, how can I, how can I help this kid or whatever
it is? So I think, you know, the
biggest adjustment for me was just a lack of sleep.
I mean, I was worried about everything from how our social
media was, was, was being presented to, you know, making
sure the courts were cleaned after, you know, a big
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tailgating Saturday so that whenwe practice the next day,
there's not junk all over the courts.
Like little things like that, that you don't really think of,
you know, you that those things keep you up at night and you
just want to make sure that these guys are getting the best
experience and that you're maximizing their potential while
they're here at Michigan State. So, you know, it took me a while
to get used to it. The first year of my head
coaching career was definitely unsustainable.
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Like I got married that year. We were planning a wedding.
It was my first year as head coach.
We were, we were traveling to Europe, it seemed like every
other week trying to get playersand, and it was crazy.
But now, you know, in my, I justfinished my 3rd year, going into
my 4th a little bit more, you know, settled and had my feet on
the ground and able to really kind of focus on the guys.
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And a little bit of the things that I really loved about being
an assistant coach, kind of getting all the head coaching
responsibilities done so that I can kind of get back to going
into the details with the guys and working with them
day-to-day, whether it's on the court, off the court.
But it's been fun. We're building this airplane as
as, as, as it flies. And it's, it's been fun to see
the transformation of the program.
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And you know, each year is, is posed a unique challenge,
expectations or the level of theteam or different things.
So it, it's fun to be in a program like Michigan State
because it repose every single year and you're accomplishing
new things every single year. So yeah, it's been great.
So you say that you know, building as you go, right?
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I mean, what's the vision? What's the what's the, well, you
know what, where do you see Michigan State men's tennis here
in five years? Is it is it the Michigan State
like basketball, right? If you think about Michigan
State and basketball, it's it's you know, you, you think about
Tom Izzo and you think about that amazing arena and those
amazing players that have playedthere.
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Is that is that the goal here? Is that is that where you think
is possible for the program? The vision is that I make it
home every single night around 7:00 PM, have some dinner, crack
a beer at the end of the night, and then wake up early in the
morning the next day, do it all over again.
But yeah, if I can, if I can getthrough each day, I'm, I'm a
happy camper at the bare minimumbecause it's, it's wild.
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You know, we're doing a lot, whether it's individuals,
recruiting, fundraising, all that stuff.
It's running around like a chicken with my head cut off.
But no, that really is the vision.
You know, when I when I played here, we had a great group of
guys with a chip on their shoulder, but we weren't really
competing for championships. And now we've kind of had a
taste whether it's a Big 10 championship, you know, national
championship. We got to we got to really
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cement ourself as a contender year in year out.
And that means that we've just got to continue to do what we've
done, learn from our experiences.
You know, two years ago was the first time that we qualified for
NC as in over I think it was 12 years.
And then also it was the second time we qualified for Ntas and
in our 110 year program history.So each year we learn a little
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bit more about what it takes to compete at that level and, and
just being at the top of collegetimes because the air is thin up
there. You know, the, the, the, the
differences are super, super small and it could be a line of
decision. You know, how do you pair your
double S teams in the big matches?
You know, do you put a senior with the freshman?
Do you put two young guys together, whatever it is?
So, but in the end, you know, and when we look back on this
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program in five years, 10 years,I hope that, you know, you see
us consistently in the top ten in the country competing for Big
10 championships, hopefully winning some Big 10
championships. But you know, that takes a lot
of work and it's competitive, man, these guys, these guys
don't slow down. I mean, I'm glad you're out of
the profession because I don't have to deal with you anymore.
But some of these guys, they're,they're 24/7, non-stop.
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Yep, absolutely. Well, that's actually I'm I'm,
you know, I'm starting to think about this with Michigan State
and the, and the new facility and obviously the resources that
you guys have and have have as an athletic department.
So it's very exciting to see where you think this team can be
not only this year, but in in future years too.
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What is your what is your recruiting philosophy, right?
Is there something that you stick by?
Are there certain players that you're looking for?
Is there a certain country or region in the world where you've
had great relationships with? What are some things you can
share with people out there about who you are and what you
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look for in a recruit? Yeah.
So I mean I'm I don't know what the answer to this question has
been from other coaches, but I think coaches are BS ING if they
say they don't look at UTR. Like I think UTR is a massive
indicator and nothing pisses me off more as a coach.
And I think coach Rodidi at TCU,me and him have had some
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conversation but he always says this.
You know the players that say oh, I'm a I'm a 13 UTR level but
my Ash UTR is at 12.25. And it's like, no, no, no, no,
no, no, you're a 12.25 and you can say you have a lot of
potential, but your UTR is your UTR.
And that's what I love about it.Like it comes down to winning
matches in this profession, however you do it, you know,
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and, and whether you chip all your forehands or you, you get
to the net a lot, whatever it is, you know, winning matches is
an arc and some players find a way to win, some players find a
way to lose. And, and so we definitely, you
know, the UTR jump out at the page, but then then it's also a
little bit of a a double edged sword because if a player has a
high UTR, then you're competing with the big dog.
And so, you know, you got to find those guys that are high
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Utrs and you want to compete with the top teams in the
country to win recruits. I think that's a good indicator
for your program. But then also you do want to
find those guys. Maybe they do have a bit lower
UTR, But when you see him, it pops out of the pops off the
page, whether it's their forehand or their serve.
And you're just thinking, oh man, this guy, give him two
years in a college program, maybe his freshman year.
He takes some lumps, but you know, he'll get better and
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better. I mean, you guys did a hell of a
job with that at Tennessee. I think of a guy like Monday who
wasn't a highly, he sought afterrecruit, but you know, with his
frame, being a lefty and how theball came off his racket and in
four years, that guy's the top player in the country and in the
world. So UTR is huge.
And then you we look for weaponsfor sure.
Like, you know, you have a forehand that's going to be able
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to win you points because you watch professional tennis and
and that's what the highest level of college tennis is.
It's it's challenger level tennis and those guys are not,
they're not hoping and praying to win matches when it's, you
know, 30, all 54, you're servingfor it.
You got to hit a big serve, you got to hit a big plus one and
you got to get to the net and finish the valve.
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You can't sit back and pray thatthe other guys going to miss.
That can only take you so far. So we look for weapons.
One thing that you know, anotherthing that I look for, just kind
of looking at your physicality and game style, You know, if a
guy can slide off both legs, I think that's such an underrated
skill. And nowadays because yeah, guys
can play defense really well. If they can slide off both legs
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and hit open stance, running, passing shots, things like that,
you know, you can develop the consistency, you can develop the
targets that they need to hit. You can develop a little bit of
the ball quality stuff. But if a guy has a good base,
he's a good athlete, he's got a live arm, you know, that stuff
really jumps out. And and then, yeah, just in
terms of character aspects. I mean, one thing is you got to
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love tennis. Don't come to Michigan State if
you're looking to if if you're looking, you know, to be
honestly, don't come to MichiganState if you're not looking to
be a pro tennis player. You know, we want guys that are
playing in the summers. We want guys that are playing in
the school year. You know, some of our guys will
go play. We got a couple guys going down
to champagne for a PTT. They're playing ITF men's
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tournaments. We're taking them to to
tournaments. So, you know, we want guys that
love this sport and are going towork their tails off and, and
take the feedback. Because the one good thing about
college tennis and honestly, onegood thing about PTTS is you
just get a ton of matches. And what you do with those
matches and how you learn from them is up to you.
But you're going to get a lot ofopportunities to improve your
game and you're going to play against a high level of
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competition. So if you love it, you're going
to find a way. So yeah, you look at teams that
are winning championships, thoseguys are playing a ton of pro
events and, and, and that's whatwe want to do as well.
So you kind of touched on it. But again, if there's a recruit
and he's considering Michigan State, he's considering a rival
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in the Big 10, he's considering a school in the SEC and he's
considering a school in Conference USA, Right.
And he wants to do his four visits.
He wants to do 4 visits. Yeah.
What? How are you going to get this
player? How are you going to get him?
You really want him, right? You're bringing him on a visit.
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What's your what's your what's your plan here as a coach?
Oh yeah, Oh yeah. I mean, they got to come to come
to come to town on a on a eithera football Saturday or, you
know, a basketball game for sure.
We got to show them what East Lansing's like.
You know, we got big athletics. We see we're no Kneeland
Stadium, but we see 75,000 in Spartan Stadium.
So game days are awesome with tailgating and stuff like that.
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And then the, the experience at the Breslin Center, you know, we
have one of the best student sections for our basketball team
and obviously a historic programthere.
And, and really, I think bringing them in where they can
see East dancing when it's alive, they see what it means to
be a Michigan State Spartan because people give a damn here.
You know, if you're a Michigan State athlete wearing the, you
know, the puff jacket or the hoodies when you walk around,
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people will give you a go green.They kind of recognize it.
So I think it's really importantfor people to see the passion
that people have for Michigan State athletics.
And then really, I think just sitting the player down and,
and, and I think the big thing that we've had is the Conference
USA team. If the kid chooses, you know,
the Conference USA team over Michigan State and, or, or the
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other, you know, big dogs that they're considering too good.
You know, they, they probably wanted to go to maybe a smaller
school, maybe put higher in the lineup early, whatever it is.
But when we're competing against, you know, the Big 10
rivals, the top across the country, which is where you want
to be as a coach and recruiting battle, what we're selling is,
you know, don't come here for the for the history, don't come
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here for the legacy. We don't have much.
I mean, I was a player here thattells you about the level of
Michigan State tennis. But so, you know, come here
because you wanna be the guy. And one of the two of the guys,
three of the guys that have really taken that recruiting
cell to heart are Ozone Bars, Aris Thanos and Matt Forbes.
I mean, they had offers from allover the country.
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They decided to come to MichiganState because we're different in
that we don't have Big 10 championships, we don't have
NCAA tournament appearances, we don't have all Americans, but
you're going to be the guy that when people talk about Michigan
State tennis, that's who they'regoing to remember.
So so we want leaders in that. We want kind of that
entrepreneurial mindset of, you know, hey, I want to be the flag
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bearer for this university and create a legacy rather than, you
know, go to another school wherethey already have that legacy
and you're kind of just buildingoff with somebody else hats.
So there's different pressures in that.
You know, the expectations, you know, when you first, when I
first came in weren't as hot. Now the expectations are getting
higher and higher. So you know, we're growing in a
program as that and and also theconversations that we're in with
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different recruits is a little bit better now because of the
success that we're having in therankings and and all that good
stuff that that's going on here in Michigan State.
And I'll also. Say, you know, have I met Tom?
Yeah, Coach Izzo is, is unbelievable.
And that's another thing that we, I mean, you come through
East Lansing recruit, you'll you'll find yourself in Coach
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Izzo's office and, you know, it's happened with a lot of our
recruits and a couple stories about Coach Izzo.
You know, when both Ozon and Matt were on their recruiting
visits here, I kind of texted Coach Izzo's director of OPS
and, and said, hey, you know, wegot a big time recruit coming to
town. Is it OK if he texts in
practice? And, and Coach Dizzo's chief of
staff says, hey, absolutely. And so we'll sneak into
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practice. We'll kind of just just get in
the door and, and go sit in the,in the, in the the nosebleeds.
And Coach Izzo actually comes out of his way in the middle of
his practice, you know, brings the guys down, talks to them,
brings them into his office, kicks me out of the office and
talks to them and their familiesfor about an hour.
And so, and this is all while his team is practicing.
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And so, you know, that's just a testament to the kind of guy he
is. You know, another thing that
he's done for our program is we take the guys on a little on a
little camping trip every summer.
And, and this year we did a little donor event and, and we,
we do the donor event. We're having lunch and Coach
Izzo kind of says, hey, come on,buy the house later because he
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has a house down the road. It's on Lake MI.
And, you know, I'll take the guys out on the water.
And I'm thinking maybe he's got a pontoon boat and go out on the
water for 30 minutes or something like that.
And for the next two hours, Coach Izzo is on a jet ski
throwing our guys off the tube, having fun, calling them soft,
all that good stuff, you know, saying all the basketball
players they were, they were waytougher than you guys.
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So, you know, he's so generous with it, with his time and he's
just unbelievable for all the programs here at Michigan State.
He's not the type of guy and yousee it in the interviews, You
know, he's down to earth and he's not the type of guy that's
because he's in a position of power is going to treat you a
different way. You know, he he treats the
janitors at the Breslin Center the same as his star player.
And I think that's why they've had so much success and why the
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people here in East Lansing justwon't let him, won't let him
leave. Amazing.
I absolutely love those stories.Yeah, I got.
A question. For you, obviously the Big 10
has changed lots of additions, West Coast, East Coast, how are
you, how are you guys managing that?
You know, how are you managing that travel and does it change
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how you schedule outside of conference?
Yes, 100%. I mean, we're big fans of it and
the reason why we're big fans ofit is just for us.
It's not. The travel isn't terrible in
terms of we because there are four teams that are added out
West and they're each travel partners.
So if we go out to USCUCLA like we did last year, Oregon and
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Washington come to us or vice versa.
So this year we're going to go out to UC.
I'm sorry, we're going to go outto Washington, Oregon and UCLA
and USC are going to come to us hopefully on a nice, you know,
chilly, snowy, you know, 20° dayhere in East Lansing.
We're playing indoors. The courts are fast on them and
you know, hopefully their flightgets delayed and and they don't
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get too, too much practice on our courts.
But for us it hasn't been too much travel.
And, and obviously from a scheduling standpoint, those
four teams are all historically,you know, some of them are top
10, some of them are NCAA tournament teams.
But it just makes it easier for us in the non conference
schedule. We can be a little bit more
selective about the teams we select in the non conference
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schedule just because we know that we have built in matches
against some teams that are going to help our rankings.
But you know, scheduling's an art and trying to figure out
what the best balance is and youknow, Rd. trips versus home
trips, you know, things like that.
It's it's something that you figure out as a coach as you go.
But having those teams in the inthe Big 10 is a huge advantage.
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Got it. Well, my advice would be
actually on the scheduling part is if you truly believe you have
the talent and you have the teamto go very far, schedule as
tough as you can because you should be.
Over 500. You should be over 500 and a
loss doesn't really hurt you. It's a .1 loss or something like
that. But if you happen to get a win,
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especially on the road, you, yougo right to the top.
So that would be my advice, but really talk about to talk about
that. I want to I want to talk about
your your program a little bit in terms of if there is a
recruit or player listening who's considering going to
Michigan State. How do you run this thing?
How do you how do you do your practices?
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You know, a lot of coaches are different individual team,
double s fitness, like talk us through what it is, Is it
morning individuals, afternoon team?
What's it like? And I'm sure it's no secret.
It's just who you are and how you like to run.
Yep. So so you know, a typical day
will look like we'll do our fitness.
We always do our fitness in the morning.
So about 6:30 AM the guys are, you know, either on the court,
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if we're doing on court conditioning or in the weight
room, 6:30 AM. And then that's about an hour
long. And and then after that the guys
will have sporadic classes throughout the day.
So they might have one to two classes.
You know, online is a great option here at Michigan State.
So our guys have a little bit more flexibility, especially
with American players International.
They have to have nine in personclasses, but then they'll come
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in each day. We get the guys in for an
individual where they're one-on-one with the coach for an
hour as well. And then about 2:30 PM, you
know, that's when when all the guys come in and and we'll have
our athletic trainer take them through a little dynamic warm up
activation type of thing. We try to mimic what the pros do
there. So you see what Carlos
Alcarazionix Center those guys are doing beforehand.
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We try to do it, whether it's Med balls, ladder drills, shadow
swings, whatever it is, you know, try to be unique in that
and mimic the pro tour. And then at 3:00 PM, we really
get busy with practice and and and one thing that we start off
every single practice with, we always start with a double S
touch volley. So as if you're the service
putting service partner, puttingthe ball away, just because I
feel like it gets the guys going.
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They hit one, they move out. And then also it's just a shot
that we don't get enough reps at.
And and if anybody knows collegetennis, the Doves point is
unbelievably huge with momentum and confidence going into dual
matches. So want to make sure you guys
are getting getting good touchesto put the ball away.
And then after that we'll go into it a Dubs drill full court.
We call it a basket. So we go right into it
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fast-paced, fast speeds, you know, next ball in almost king
of the court type of situation. And then whoever wins the
basket, so every champ at the end of the basket gets a little,
a little, we call it's a Gold Star.
So we have a little Gold Star standing like these guys are
kindergarteners. And so at the end of the year,
you know, we see who has the most buckets, one most gold
stars on the standings list. And then after that, you know,
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we do, we do, you know, different practices.
We have a different theme for each day.
So some days it might just be strictly 2 on ones where you
know, you're pushing your teammate, he's moving left and
right, his he's gassed at the end of it, we rotate the next
guy goes. Other days it's more point play
based. And then other days we might
break it down between, you know,two or three courts.
Each coach has two or three guysand you're doing more individual
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work, drilling, whatever it is. So we mix it up and, and, and
then another thing is at some point you got to play tennis and
that means hidden serves, hiddenreturns, playing points.
It might be a little less fun, but the more slow pace.
But the end of the day, that's what a match is.
So our guys love drilling, they love moving, but you got to get
those serves and returns in two most important shots in tennis.
(23:05):
So that's kind of what it looks like.
And then they they get some homework done.
Hopefully they get their homework done.
We're on them if they don't. And then, you know, go to bed
and do it all over the next day.So it's a blast.
Again, like I said, my goal is to get home at 7:00 PM, nice
dinner, crack a beer, watch a Law and Order SVU, forget about
everything that happened that day, and we do it again the next
day. I love it.
(23:27):
Yeah, last question, Last question involves your team
again. Talk us through your roster.
Are you, are you looking for January expectations for the
year? Do you guys put goals down?
Do you just wake up and work? What are you, what are you
thinking for the year for the team?
(23:47):
Yeah, so. Our roster is is is full right
now, so nobody for January, but we will be looking, you know,
for, for three players for next year.
So we're staying busy on the recruiting trail.
And then in terms of goals, I mean, it goes without saying
when you have Ozan Bars, Eris Thanos and Matt Forbes and, and,
and the guys that we have on ourteam, you know, those guys can
(24:08):
play at a certain level. And so we don't talk about it.
It's kind of implied in our program that we're competing for
Big 10 championships. We aren't doing all this work.
We aren't doing all this work for nothing.
And if we can win a Big 10 championship, that puts us in a
really good conversation on the national stage.
And we'll take care of that whenwe take care of it.
But first and foremost is, is, is the, the conference play.
(24:30):
Ohio has obviously carried the flag for a few years now, but
you, you look at teams like Illinois, UCLAUSC big addition
here. So Michigan, Northwestern,
Indiana's got a good team. Washington's always tough.
So it's like you win the big 10,you're in really good shape.
You're you're probably a top twoteam in the country.
And, and, and that being said, you know, we talked a lot about
(24:52):
that stuff last year, but we haven't really talked about it
this year. This year we've been focused on
the process, just our day-to-daygoals.
What do we look like when we're competing our best?
What do we need to improve on a day-to-day basis so that at the
end of the year, we we achieve those goals?
So, you know, the guys are working.
This is probably the most motivated team that I've had
here at Michigan State. And honestly, part of that is
because we felt like we left a little bit on the table last
(25:14):
year with our squad. So the guys, they don't want to
make the same mistake twice and they're busting their butts, you
know, every single day. And, and I'm excited to see
where it takes us. I love it.
Does Ozan lead? Does he lead vocally or by work?
He leaves a little bit of both, but I mean the the more
important one is I think vocally, I mean we've got a
video and I I was catching up with Josh Lapidat of Kentucky.
(25:38):
Their their their new third assistant coach and we got a
video owes on his freshman year.We were playing a hidden duel at
Kentucky and it was set point. He plays a long point, hits a
nice little drop volley and winsthe set.
And Michigan State, we've never competed against Kentucky in our
lives, right? And Ozan drops his racket and
(25:58):
kind of walks off like he's hot shit.
And from that point forward, I was like, all right, we got a
guy that's not afraid of anyone.And he he drops his racket,
walks the changeover. And of course, Cedric at UK
hollers over from three courts over and says you forgot your
racket and makes Ozan look pretty silly there on the
changeover. But you know, he's fearless and
he's not afraid to go anywhere against anyone anytime and
(26:22):
compete is is nuts off, honestly.
So he's I think that's the way he leads is when when it's match
day and he's playing the best ofthe best, that's when his his
best level comes out. I love it.
Well, Coach Harry, appreciate your time.
Good luck this year. I look forward to bringing the
first ever PTT to the best facility in the country.
(26:45):
Look forward to helping your guys this year and I will be
following. So appreciate your time and
thank you. Absolutely.
Thank you man. Appreciate you having me on.
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